Making hydraulic pipe and profile bending machine

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  • @trolojolo6178
    @trolojolo6178 Місяць тому +36

    Fill your pipes with sand and seal the ends with tape. You will get perfect bends. No warping at all.

  • @HarveyEdwards-w1y
    @HarveyEdwards-w1y 22 дні тому +4

    I can see your not that old, I wish I had an apprentice like you. In years to come I'm sure you're refine your skills more and be a great engineer. Good Luck and keep sharing

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  22 дні тому

      Thank you for such a nice and motivating comment. All the best!

  • @sshep7119
    @sshep7119 23 дні тому +4

    Simple, effective, gets the job done. Great job.
    A few pointers: flux core is great to weld with, it gets great penetration. Keep practicing your consistency, the weld beads look like they are coming along. When you design a system like this the reaction forces get pretty large, try different designs when weldments carry the entire load. Instead of simple square weldments design parts that have rounded features at the bottom to increase the length of the weld and avoid stress concentration points like sharp corners.
    You can also utilize designs that rely on mechanical support (fasters and physical stops) to carry part of the load opposed to just the weld.
    You're doing good work. Keep at it.

  • @Uswesi1527
    @Uswesi1527 Місяць тому +19

    Undoubtedly, but,definitely, a unique, unprecedented, unparalleled, unmatched, masterpiece of achievement. Thanks

  • @MasterSpoon
    @MasterSpoon Місяць тому +20

    On your square tube die, try putting a raised bit in the middle. I made a square tube die years ago and found it worked much better once I added a raised section, something like a bit of 5x5mm square wrapped around on the centre line. When you start bending the tube it curves the inner bend wall inwards giving the material somewhere to go instead of bulging out the sides.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      You're right. That I hadn't thought of it before. Thank you

    • @trolojolo6178
      @trolojolo6178 Місяць тому +1

      Just fill the tube with sand and seal the ends. You will always get perfect bended pipes.

  • @davidjohnson9517
    @davidjohnson9517 Місяць тому +57

    Radius the edge of the cavities in your dies. It will stop cutting the tube. I used to build this type of tooling for the automotive industry. It works.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +5

      Thank you

    • @user-zq6pj5jo8j
      @user-zq6pj5jo8j Місяць тому +4

      Also, add lube to them so the "Slip" creates less friction and heat and bends much easier.

    • @georgesmansani849
      @georgesmansani849 29 днів тому

      Du travail serieux et beaucoup de précision, mais il faut être un spécialiste en tout genre et avoir du matériel (poste de soudure, tour à métaux, ect...etc) bon et bien faites le compte sans l'achat de tout le reste😮😮

  • @Strada62
    @Strada62 Місяць тому +24

    A lot of cool ideas you have, i liked among many others, using your drill press vice as a giant wrench.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      Necessity is the mother of invention. Thank you

    • @davidschwartz5127
      @davidschwartz5127 Місяць тому

      Yes, I was impressed not only by the build and the quality of it but also by many of the "tricks" you use in the process of the build. I've never seen before or thought. Nice, and Thank You!

  • @barrybeckford2733
    @barrybeckford2733 27 днів тому +3

    Thanks for taking the time & effort to show off this great idea, i've tried 3 different ways to do this...not as well as yours !

  • @TalRohan
    @TalRohan 4 години тому

    awesome build, I think the only thing I would change is the protractor, to make it bigger so you can see it all the way around the bend
    In school metal works I built a steerable sledge out steel tubing and this machine would have been priceless for that. It was triangular and needed a lot of bends that I had to do by hand (It looked great but wasn't strong enough and I ripped one of the ski's off lol)
    Thanks for sharing

  • @threepotMR2
    @threepotMR2 28 днів тому +3

    I wonder if the bottle jack would operate the required torque if it was still a manual handle pump bottle jack? This is a very nice home made bender, heavy steel construction and nice lathe work. Thank you for making great video.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  28 днів тому

      It would certainly work because the hand pump produces more pressure than my 12V pump

    • @doug5713
      @doug5713 28 днів тому

      @@madeingarage7040an air over hydraulic power unit or treadle might be an option for you because you already have an air compressor and they’re under $200 for 10000 psi

  • @carlotesta6299
    @carlotesta6299 Місяць тому +1

    🇮🇹caspita davvero notevole complimenti, anche la rifinitura è curata nei minimi particolari grande 💪💪💪💪💪 Saluti dall’Italia

  • @TheUnvarnishedTruth-
    @TheUnvarnishedTruth- Місяць тому +3

    *Very, very nice! I especially like the protractor aspect!*
    *Excellent job! Well done!*

  • @H4rleyBoy
    @H4rleyBoy Місяць тому +2

    It would make a massive difference if you explained what you are doing and why, it's your job to make it interesting, we're not all engineers but like to watch you guys.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      I try to present the film so that everyone understands what I do

    • @kronoinc
      @kronoinc 20 днів тому

      ​@@madeingarage7040 The presentation is exceptional. People complaining should take it as an opportunity to ask questions.

  • @scroungasworkshop4663
    @scroungasworkshop4663 21 день тому +2

    Awesome job, well done mate. Cheers, Stuart 🇦🇺

  • @benoitbolduc3243
    @benoitbolduc3243 29 днів тому +2

    Decades ago, when I had to submit my final project for my degree in engineering, I first thought everything had gone well... It was about tube bending, then my professor told me that I forgot to take into account the elasticity of the metal... If you try to bend anything a little, it will bounce back, to make sure it stays deformed, you have to go in plastic deformation. If you want a 90 degrees bend, you will have to go further than 90, say 92-93, depending on the metal. Otherwise the "bounce back" will give you a 88 degrees bend just like we see on your examples. Learn from my mistake! 🙂

  • @wolfparty4234
    @wolfparty4234 Місяць тому +4

    Also, change the locking die to aluminum instead of steel. My bender has them and it doesn’t scar up or scratch the bending metals.
    Also, maybe flip the locking hook/hold down to the top or goes over the pipe then after release just flip it to a up position. That way you’re not fighting the piece getting out after it’s bent.
    I’m a big fan of this channel. Love your work

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      Thank you for your helpful advice and kind words!

    • @hectoreduardo7192
      @hectoreduardo7192 Місяць тому

      👏EXCELENTE TRABAJO👏
      ¿Con que presión trabaja el equipo hidráulico y cuantos Hp su motor?
      Gracias

  • @Alex_Welder68
    @Alex_Welder68 12 днів тому +2

    Прекрасная работа! У меня как раз завалился старые домкрат без насос.... Вопрос по гидравлической станции: сами собирали, или покупали?

  • @elmaspiola6314
    @elmaspiola6314 27 днів тому +1

    Muy buen trabajo mi amigo, nuevo suscriptor desde buenos aires argentina VLLC 👏👏💪💪

  • @douglashank8480
    @douglashank8480 Місяць тому +1

    You build some really cool projects here.
    I'd love to see what you could do with access to precision machine tools, like a metal lathe and milling machine!

    • @douglashank8480
      @douglashank8480 Місяць тому

      Nevermind. I just saw one of your earlier videos, where you have a lathe and converted a drill press into a mill.
      Thanks for sharing!

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      Yes. I converted a drilling machine into a milling machine and I already have a small lathe. But I still dream of many machines

  • @eegaugh
    @eegaugh Місяць тому +8

    Impressive bend on that square tube!

  • @DF5152
    @DF5152 Місяць тому +9

    Put another keyway cut in your dye so you can get at least 180° bend.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      I have to change this larger gear to a smaller one by 20mm and then I will get this 180°

  • @rudyrivera7426
    @rudyrivera7426 19 днів тому +1

    Wow! Great work/video! Thanks for sharing! 👌👍

  • @homemadetools
    @homemadetools 25 днів тому

    Great bender. We shared this video on our homemade tool forum last week 😎

  • @keithkimsten5111
    @keithkimsten5111 5 днів тому +1

    I enjoyed the video. Great work here! Pay no attention to the negative Nellie’s here, they likely do little if anything other than complain!

  • @EarthlyExpressionsArt
    @EarthlyExpressionsArt 19 днів тому +1

    Really cool. Only comment would be to add an inverse arrow to the angle gauge so you can see the angle once the marker is covered by the stock.
    Nice vid👍 was hoping to make one myself but definitely need a lathe first it seems to do it this way atleast

  • @jefsplt1973
    @jefsplt1973 24 дні тому

    Very good machine… not remember to have see this on the net, It's a change from those videos that keep repeating the same thing. Congratulations

  • @ericmcginnis9413
    @ericmcginnis9413 24 дні тому

    They say "Necessity is the mother of invention" and i agree! I build certain things and love the challenge and the reward myself! Would rather build it even when it can be bought cause manufactured stuff isnt quality and quality is out of my price point! Nice brother!!! Sick build!!! Youre talented and I'd so buy one off ya if possible! Hope to one day get to ur level!

  • @FilterYT
    @FilterYT Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for sharing, amazing to see what that chain can handle!

  • @philtobin9510
    @philtobin9510 Місяць тому +2

    This is great. I like the bottle jack idea. You are only bound by how good the weld is on the chain anchor point to the side of the case. 25mm of as good penetration weld is good for 1 ton. The tensile strength of the lug should be fine. Have you tried on heavier gauge wall?

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      I didn't show it in the video, but I strengthened the weld on the wall. I didn't have any thicker wall pipes on hand, but I think it will work.

  • @MakeStuffwithLittleDevil
    @MakeStuffwithLittleDevil Місяць тому +2

    Like always good job man 👏👏👏

  • @tommymac4098
    @tommymac4098 29 днів тому +1

    Interesting use of the vise as a wrench!

  • @orandydd
    @orandydd 21 день тому

    Good Post & Share! Takes Skill and Ambition to make your own bender. Keep up the good work and keep building on your skills, you have metal in your veins!!👍👍

  • @anatolijponomarenko5319
    @anatolijponomarenko5319 Місяць тому +7

    Тот случай, когда парень понял, что записывая ролики для Ютуба можно заработать больше, чем на производстве😂

  • @mariomarchigiano528
    @mariomarchigiano528 19 днів тому +1

    Great job. I really like and would love to have 1 myself and I can use the hydraulic unit for other things

  • @insidelinemx
    @insidelinemx 23 дні тому

    Very nice. Good design and the finish product looks amazing.
    Well done!

  • @Alvawelding20
    @Alvawelding20 27 днів тому +1

    Very good and meaningful video, thank you for sharing

  • @masterQ20
    @masterQ20 Місяць тому +2

    The hydraulic pipe and steel bar bender you plan to make will be a powerful solution for DIY projects that is sure to produce outstanding results! ❤

  • @Роман-ж7м
    @Роман-ж7м Місяць тому

    Станок отличный получился 👍👍👍👍

  • @Biokemist-o3k
    @Biokemist-o3k 26 днів тому +2

    New subscriber here...I need a pipe bender to build the frame of my 1928 Morgan/MG race car....This is so awesome my friend...-John

  • @evgeniturbocharger
    @evgeniturbocharger Місяць тому +3

    Good work! I reccomend to try Pferd cutting discs,once i try them ,never use other's

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you. Whenever I have the opportunity, I will definitely use them

  • @UlisesElMagnanimo
    @UlisesElMagnanimo Місяць тому +3

    EXCELENTE !!!!! si no fuese mas pobre que las ratas te compraría la cortadora de plasma, las personas como vos deberían ser reconocidas y recibir la colaboración de los que tienen.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +2

      Muchas gracias por tan cálidas y sinceras palabras. ¡Mis mejores deseos!

  • @CoolIdeasDIY-qv1nz
    @CoolIdeasDIY-qv1nz Місяць тому +2

    Great video, colleague😉

  • @Guds777
    @Guds777 Місяць тому +12

    Maybe explain better what you did to the hydraulic jack...

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      It's all shown at the beginning of the movie.

    • @pjdruz5636
      @pjdruz5636 Місяць тому +2

      @@madeingarage7040 yes, we can see that. But to the beginner like me, it is not obvious what you did. Why not keep the hydraulic cylinder as it was originally?

    • @mutyluk
      @mutyluk Місяць тому +5

      I guess he closed all channels except one that goes under the handle. This the only way to make pressure under main cylinder.

    • @thumpdaddy2000
      @thumpdaddy2000 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@madeingarage7040 All it shows is taking it apart putting 2 welds somewhere that we can't see and putting it back together? Doesn't explain anything?

    • @chriswablington7118
      @chriswablington7118 20 днів тому

      @@pjdruz5636there’s a small valve that prevents the jack from suddenly dropping the weight it supports (safety). Removing it is how he was able to get the faster extension for his application.

  • @jamesjustin5095
    @jamesjustin5095 29 днів тому

    All you need now are mandrels and wiper dies to bend tight radiuses. Nice job.

  • @hectoreduardo7192
    @hectoreduardo7192 Місяць тому +1

    👏EXCELENTE TRABAJO👏
    ¿Con que presión trabaja el equipo hidráulico y cuantos Hp su motor?
    Gracias

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +1

      The power supply for the bending machine is the power steering pump from the car. It is powered by 12V and draws a maximum of 60A. It produces a pressure of 100 bar.

  • @UpVoltageOverclocking
    @UpVoltageOverclocking 27 днів тому +1

    very cool but u should re phase the protractor so its easier to read and doesnt come covered under the pipe

  • @buckshot927tx
    @buckshot927tx Місяць тому +1

    Yup, time for a bandsaw bud. Good work, keep it up.

  • @TTGTO288
    @TTGTO288 24 дні тому +2

    Impressive, but its easier and probably the same cost to buy one once you factor in time, materials and tooling.

  • @metalgeria
    @metalgeria 14 днів тому +1

    Very nice build but i think that the welding is a little bit weak

  • @MadeinPolandChannel
    @MadeinPolandChannel Місяць тому +1

    Great job man! 😉

  • @cybraxcyberspace
    @cybraxcyberspace 28 днів тому +1

    What was the point of closing those 2 pinholes at the start?

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  28 днів тому

      If I hadn't welded them, the oil would have leaked out.

  • @customcal1
    @customcal1 20 днів тому

    Excellent video first time watching this channel.

  • @RoadHead62
    @RoadHead62 Місяць тому

    YesWelder sells a really nice inverter plasma torch setup for around $200. Worth every penny.

    • @alansims4344
      @alansims4344 Місяць тому

      Good to have for sure but for the plate he's working with no. Take that $200 and don't walk... RUN and get a handheld metal cutting circular saw in 7.25inch cold cut type with carbide teeth. Cheap saw, cheap blades, no grinding, no warping, no abrasive wheel dust OMGTY, blades last forever compared to abrasives and way faster. Then with all that money you save on cut off wheels get the cheapest TIG you can find and use the wire gun for tacking mostly. Your cleanup time will all but disappear.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      This circular saw is a good idea. But a plasma torch will allow you to cut out circles, etc.

    • @alansims4344
      @alansims4344 29 днів тому

      @@madeingarage7040 Very true. But a $200 plasma won't cut the material cleanly over about 10mm if that. I have a 40 amp plasma and it's great but for the plate in this build I would walk past it and pick up my $90 Chinese saw and cut it quickly and cleanly. The work doesn't even get hot, all heat goes into the chips.

  • @libor-vitek
    @libor-vitek Місяць тому +3

    Perfect result 👍

  • @ThisIsToolman
    @ThisIsToolman Місяць тому +1

    Excellent. The highest pressure I saw on the hydraulic gage was 500 psi. What was the actual max pressure needed?

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      It needed 1000 psi for the 26.9mm pipe

    • @alansims4344
      @alansims4344 Місяць тому

      @@madeingarage7040 Even that is low I thought so good work on your math. Not sure what size the chain is or the cylinder bore but I'm guessing less than 4000 lbs, (1800kg) force on the chain max which should be fine.
      I subscribed immediatly when I saw how you where going about things which took all of one minute of this the first vid of yours I have seen. Oh and the vid production quality and style is great too.

  • @Antonio_001
    @Antonio_001 Місяць тому +4

    может для такого станка червячный редуктор лучше подошел ?

  • @EcoMouseChannel
    @EcoMouseChannel Місяць тому

    Need a ridge on the square tube die to "pre-dent" the tube so it deforms in a controlled manner, rather than just a crush bend.
    Also, you have to account for a couple of degrees over, depending on the wall thickness for "spring back"

  • @SouthernGround
    @SouthernGround 9 днів тому

    Excellent fabbing 👍, how easily will you be able to repair/replace the bottle jack? would a short stroke ram have been better? I like your design and plain to do something similar only use a hydraulic ram and an old log splitter part's . BTW was that a 20 ton jack?

  • @trentstewart2558
    @trentstewart2558 Місяць тому +1

    How about a little heads up on milling machine or metal lathe you used? MIG welder? Some of that shop equipment I need to outfit my garage with if I ever get it built. I find it scary to just think about the trial and error I may have to go through in getting the right metal milling equipment.
    Some very good work. College campus or trade school shop? I don't even have dreams about my shop being that clean. Any tips on sourcing steel scrap? Thank you.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      I'm an electronics engineer 😉 I have no experience with lathes and milling machines.

  • @johnmassingham5109
    @johnmassingham5109 Місяць тому

    Very enjoyable video. Could you please explain or show more of the tool you used at 8.47 to machine a semi circular groove in the bending wheel? i do quite a lot of lathe work but have not seen this done before.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      Type "radius cutter" into the UA-cam search engine

  • @MoltenKing992
    @MoltenKing992 19 днів тому +1

    The only problem is when you to form bends in different directions. But this is pretty awesome nonetheless

  • @НиколайКазанский-и2ы
    @НиколайКазанский-и2ы Місяць тому +1

    Смотрите с 13-й минуты.
    Желающие посмотреть подробности могут вернуть.
    Станок шикарный!

  • @industriasrm7851
    @industriasrm7851 Місяць тому

    Excelente trabajo, gracias por compartir sabiduría

  • @WelderPlus
    @WelderPlus Місяць тому +1

    What a great idea👌

  • @MultiSevenofnine
    @MultiSevenofnine 21 день тому

    Great job but I probably would have welded some angle. And bolted the top frame in rather than fully weld it. Or at least have some sort of a bearing cover so I could replace them easily if needed.

  • @mitsos_306
    @mitsos_306 24 дні тому

    Very nice build!

  • @alamgirkhan3513
    @alamgirkhan3513 26 днів тому +2

    If i can bend this pipe with hand why need all this, i was thinking what you gonna make spend half hour.

  • @cooperdove9929
    @cooperdove9929 27 днів тому +1

    Yes that's awesome. But what if I have literally none of these tools, but still want to make one?

  • @crazymtbrider
    @crazymtbrider Місяць тому +2

    Nice one I shall add this to my attempt to do list 😂

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому +2

      Thank you and I wish you construction as soon as possible

  • @Volcodav2002
    @Volcodav2002 25 днів тому

    Стенка в месте крепления цепи не вминается?

  • @5160447455lov
    @5160447455lov 4 дні тому +1

    Welds let him dow dude has zero deflection binding 90s the welds will hold fine that thing is awsome and his work is good

  • @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld
    @ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld 29 днів тому

    Very nice indeed thankyou for the upload❤

  • @TailwheelTimes
    @TailwheelTimes 2 дні тому +1

    Very impressive!

  • @LUKAZ9-k7v
    @LUKAZ9-k7v Місяць тому

    This project is very good, congratulations, how many millimeters does the hydraulic piston have?

  • @user-HighLife
    @user-HighLife 29 днів тому

    Best to add bevels to your work before welding pieces together will help greatly

  • @garychaiken808
    @garychaiken808 Місяць тому +1

    Great job. Thank you 😊

  • @olegserikov1821
    @olegserikov1821 23 дні тому

    Взял и поломал хорошую вещь. Умный человек ?

  • @eotwh
    @eotwh 20 днів тому +1

    Welding is both art and structure and to make it simple PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT ...... so practice.

  • @bennn9657
    @bennn9657 25 днів тому +1

    Good job👍

  • @fmartelinif9
    @fmartelinif9 Місяць тому +1

    Perfeito, parabéns pela criatividade. Natividade RJ.

  • @darrenbrowell1713
    @darrenbrowell1713 Місяць тому

    what brand of hole saw/ cutter did you use? where do you get them?

  • @THETICK36
    @THETICK36 Місяць тому +1

    do you have plans for sale for this?

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  Місяць тому

      I have no plans. I was doing it out of my mind.

    • @THETICK36
      @THETICK36 Місяць тому

      @@madeingarage7040 damn would be nice to purchase blueprints for the materials and what gears to get to make one at myself. this looks a lot cheaper than buying one for sure!

  • @masterskay-Krasig
    @masterskay-Krasig Місяць тому +5

    Отличный станок получился!

  • @job38four10
    @job38four10 28 днів тому

    Nice build way above my paygrade, can you make a complete tube ring on one pass.............

  • @richardsargent113
    @richardsargent113 29 днів тому

    I like this, but as stated, an explanation would go a long way in helping many others duplicate what you've done. If you sold detailed plans, which i would buy, at $20 dollars each, it wouldn't take long to fill your shop with many pieces of equipment.

    • @madeingarage7040
      @madeingarage7040  29 днів тому

      Unfortunately, I don't have detailed plans. I did it off the top of my head.

  • @heenaengineeringwork
    @heenaengineeringwork 7 днів тому +1

    Buhat khub sir ji

  • @woodywoodstock100
    @woodywoodstock100 Місяць тому

    Sir , well done. Beeindruckend.

  • @joe833a
    @joe833a 29 днів тому

    Very nice work!

  • @chrismayer8990
    @chrismayer8990 Місяць тому +1

    Nice Job!

  • @weldcraftwithyaseenawan
    @weldcraftwithyaseenawan 24 дні тому

    Wow super ❤❤ i am subscribing bro 👍

  • @aleksandar_srb
    @aleksandar_srb 26 днів тому +1

    Good machine and good design but in my opinion useless :)) Anyway, like video.

  • @danielyombalakian7534
    @danielyombalakian7534 29 днів тому

    Me parece a mi o salvo en mi pais las chapas de acero son baratas, porque veo videos donde usan cantidades de chapas de 10 mm como si fueran ojalata, mas las horas de mecanizado, torno fresadora, soldadura etc esto resulta muy costoso. Para demostrar que se puede está bien, si es un encargue espero que lo hayas cobrado bien, porque algo así no se hace en 15'

  • @oshakdorigine8532
    @oshakdorigine8532 15 днів тому +2

    Bravo 💪💪💪💪💪💪

  • @emiliohuerta2658
    @emiliohuerta2658 Місяць тому +1

    excellent work!

  • @MikesDadvice
    @MikesDadvice 28 днів тому +1

    don't take this the wrong way, but you've got drill bits that cost more than some plasma cutters

  • @bendunselman
    @bendunselman Місяць тому

    Remarkable project!

  • @glenwallis2366
    @glenwallis2366 Місяць тому

    Nice job!

  • @mariuslandsberg7937
    @mariuslandsberg7937 24 дні тому

    It's cheaper to buy a gear box for pipe bending and a motor, number one you use less steel, and a gear box and motor turns 24 hours no stop, and you can get the rollers at the steel place.

  • @ГеоргийАндреич-ю6б
    @ГеоргийАндреич-ю6б Місяць тому +1

    Лайк только за то , что человек подшипник не варит, а делает обойму. И цепь не варит👍

  • @dansullivan2954
    @dansullivan2954 Місяць тому

    Well done sir!