Yates Vs Levrone 1995 - Who Really Deserved to Win??
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2017
- Reviewing the 1995 Mr Olympia. This was a great show and a close contest but there can only ever be one winner. Who really deserved the Sandow, Yates or Levrone?
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Hey guys, I apologize in advance because the audio's off by a second or two, don't have time to fix it as I am going away for the weekend. Shouldn't matter too much though. Also forgot to mention how much better Kevin's triceps look in the rear lat spread like dangggg son. Anyway, peace out homies!
Tomn8er
Kevin was awesome in 92,94,97,2002! He should have won every one of these. He placed 4th in 97 and that is just a fucking joke. Kevin is my favorite. Kevin was better in 97 and 2002!
Tomn8er Kevin levrone has better side chest then Dorian
dorian had better conditioning. the best back in bodybuilding,evan much better than kevins. also better calves than kevin. kevin looked fantastic but dorian had the edge over kevin. and we all know that king dorian yates bought a new physique to bodybuilding. you can not knock dorian yates. he also mastered his diets,workouts etc with no help from coaches, no dietitions etc. spent hours reading about bodybuilding etc etc. no bodybuilder could ever match dorians condition. the only bodybuilder to have a similar physique was branch warren.....
Those are some awesome times in the bodybuilding world back then
dude dorian beats kevin in a side chest, for real?
Who won? Kevin or Dorian? Well Shawn Ray of course.
Joel Lundqvist ha ha .That is good one
I appreciate Kevin more, but Ray was great here...
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When you really see it, Dorian just had that wtf factor that you need to be a winner. Every major winner of the Olympia has had some kind of wtf factor that just made them *stand out* among other competitors, and as long as they kept their size, conditioning and flow competitive with the others, they just pop in comparison to everyone else.
Yep... can get lost in analysing how folks trade blows in bodypart development, staying competitive and everyone wants to root for the underdog... Even in the "losing" poses Dorian was much bigger overall and several levels of conditioning higher, like Dorian created a conditioning gap that apparently was utterly otherworldly when viewed in person. I can't argue for Dorian in 97 based on what we have available to view, to me in the pics and vids conditioning isn't enough to make up for the flaws, but the story from people who were there in person was very different, a far less controversial show for those who were there, the Wtf factor overpowered his flaws and Nassers more streamlined and complete front poses
@@DJ-toblerone well said
Hadi choopan does NOT have that 😂
@@yxngthugger1561true he looks mid
Yes . Makes you say WTF when you know he have won that year with crappy arms and a tear in his left bicep.😅
Anybody else think ray should have won at least one olympia?
no
Hell yes,94
94, 96 and even 97
YES, the boy is a fking beast, one of the most AESTHETIC open bodybuilding competitor
@@MikeG82 you dont know bodybuilding
The 90s were sooo competitive! There were always big threats to whoever was the champ.
1991 and 1999 not really
@@a2-antonio892 1991 Dorian made it difficult for Lee Haney, but yeh 1999 tho Ronnie was way ahead of everyone
@@mainaccount7585 😂😂😂 You're on crack. Check out breakdowns made by youtubers i forgot who (MMM? Supersetman? Tominator? NSP?)
I mean. For 3 of dorian's wins and 1 of haney's
@@a2-antonio892 why'd he lose the mandatory poses to Dorian then? something that never happened to Dorian himself and who he beat to win his Sandows.
I went to that show, we were all the way in the back and you could see Dorians striations in his traps and back clear from the back of the audience. It was unreal. The only way to get a true sense of his mass and conditioning was to see live in person. He was one of those guys that wasn't photogenic. I actually thought he looked better and bigger in his off season no tan no oil pictures. Until I saw him in person.
Big B I've heard Dorian was the least impressive Mr O when it comes to pics but when u saw him live the difference was staggering. I envy you man wish I coulda seen him then. Maybe I'd be more of a fan then lol
I have seen him competing in person twice and is true, he was scary. He was...... different
Yes Chris Aceto confirms this, as such Mr Olympia judging via pics is completely not reliable at all
@@Tomn8er You're not a fan of the Shadow? When he came in '93 and shocked the world? The mistery around him, the nickname and problably the most intens trainingstyle vid of any mr.O? Come on man, I understand not everyone being a fan of his physique, I do, but it's one of the best bodybuilding stories ever. Gotta love the dude.
@@Tomn8er I Saw him in Madrid, and then, I understood at the moment why he was the Mr Olympia. IMpressive.
I wish I could go back in time to see this show in person. Chris Aceto was there and he said Yates was so lean and dry that he looked like he had no skin.
i was at the 95 olympia and it wasnt even close. yes yates takes the side chest no question. kevin is great in the pose but yates is in way way better condition (not debatable) and his chest is thicker and harder (find the vid). kevins arms are have more volume, does not = better. yates had more peak (baseball biceps) vs kev and shawns football shaped (less peak). hands clasped mm kev is great but looks narrow compared to yates. some of you need to learn how bb is judged. its not about individual parts, its all about the complete pose. im a fan of kev so dont think im hating on him by any means.
@Nicholas Holland I don't think pictures can capture the degree of conditioning bodybuilders show. Even video doesn't do conditioning justice. I've seen live natural competitors that look more conditioned than pictures of enhanced pros. One needs to see these guys live to effectively judge them.
He had no chest and biceps either
I give all the respect to Dorian because even with genetically short biceps, his grainy superior conditioning overshadowed everyone. He could have quit after the injury but decided to outperform everywhere else! That's what makes him my favorite champ of all time!
Yup. Dorian has been my idol since I was a kid just getting into bodybuilding when I was 13. When I first saw his black and white pictures from 93’, I became a fan instantly. Plus his HIT training was how I trained and was the only way I could train. I didn’t like high volume training and staying in the gym for 2 hours. It’s hard on the body and I’m paying for it now, but it’s the most effective training style. Dorians the man
Yates: the enigma of the Olympia. Judged bodypart by bodypart he can be criticized, but the totality of what he was (plus that conditioning) and it's hard to deny he deserved the wins.
Nice review. Massive fan of Levrone but you can't deny Yates. Just overall, more complete even though I much prefer Levrone's shape. IMO, Levrone and Ray were the best ever to never win the "O". And you could mention Flex Wheeler there too. Bring back the 90's. They piss all over the current crop.
What about Lee Labrada?
yates' back was T H I C C 🔥🔥😍👌👌
Side triceps goes to Dorian pretty easily actually imo
Yeah it's not even close. DY mastered it.
First picture of Yates is immense ! He is so much quality mass and his calves are rarely seen in full body shots but are point winners for sure . Great champion
The rear lat spread at 8:33 is 94, not 95, and Yates still wins.
Those end shots were great.
Really shows how dominant Dorian was from the back.
His conditioning was always spot on, as well.
i like kevin but realistically he was 3rd and shawn was 2nd. nasser apologized to ray for getting third (ray being 4th) but whats he supposed to do, give ray his 3rd place check?
^^^
Imo nasser was better than kevin here too
@@GGP337 Nasser got robbed a few times in placing, when he should of placed higher at least, shows how honest nasser is. brutal honesty. he also got his prize money taken from him once, while jay got caught for the same drug test and he thretened to sue the IFBB and he kept his money and placing. but Nasser didnt argue and they took his money and he lost his placing. thats unfair.
The 90s were unreal. Shawn Ray and Nasser look incredible and they are not the top 2.
I had 5-3 in Kevin's favor, I prefer his side chest personally
I’m from the uk and I tell you something I met Dorian and my local bodybuilding show before he became Mr Olympia.He truly deserved his six Mr Olympia wins mo matter what.At the end of the day Dorian changed the bodybuilding game more than anyone else.
Unfortunately the Olympia isn’t quite objective, and I could see why people say it’s “rigged”. They pick a “champion” and if he keeps growing or at least doesn’t get too much worse, he remains the champion. It’s a big part of the brand at this point, a precedent set by Arnold.
The level of competition Dorian had was so much harder than Ronnies
I don’t know Kevin to me was always just more appealing if a physique. he looks like a total badass rocking the mass with the class, something a lot of competitors didn’t have.
I swear the last back pic of Yates where he he stomps a leg back and it makes a huge thud and chops his arms to the side Is quite possibly the most powerful pose ever in all of bodybuilding history and maybe future.
It's a famous side triceps pose
I agree with you Tom Dorian never had the best quads or arms.
Side pose goes to Kevin.
That's wat I thought
7:00 Ronnie Coleman behind almost in front of Dorian... already dreaming with winning this contest...
Dorian looked like a beast in that 95 most muscular 🤟
Who really deserved to win? Nasser.
nah he was soft from the back check 7:15
Yeah, I agree... but then look at 1:30, his wheels are on another level, he wins this pose, also 2:40 - he literally dwarfs Levrone, and is noticeably better than Dorian. Side chest at 5:10 - same story. When it comes to most muscular I would argue his crab pose is on par with Levrone - both are classic.
I can understand why Dorian won, but Nasser was way better than Levrone that year IMO.
But then, those contests are mainly about the back...
Bodybuilding Legends nah shawn ray should have one
In 97 for sure, 95 is pretty debatable
Levrone is smooth, Dorian has more grainy peeled 3D look, So I'll go with Yates because is has full package (beside I'm huge fan of Kevin Levrone)
Darko Dameski yates was never 3d lol
Full package my foot. Biceps? Chest?
What's pretty glaring in this video is that in every single shot Shawn Ray happens to be in, he's clearly the best. Not sure how he finished 4th. If anything, he probably deserved to win, just like he should have in 94.
Dorian Yates literally looks like the hulk in that first photo
It's been photoshopped, look at his traps, biceps and calfs, then watch the actual posing routine, definately photoshopped.
@@rockywaters9592 it's not photoshopped, it's the angle. Biceps? you can clearly see his torn left bicep and the right one doesn't look that big whatsoever. His calves and traps were exactly the way the are in that photo.
@@dj_m19 I still think it's shopped, I've seen this photo of Dorian many times and I think the calfs and the right side of his upper body has been stretched a bit, or they've shrunk his head a bit, either way I don't believe it's 100% real, especially the calfs.
@@rockywaters9592 I'd say angle and resolution, I don't know where the photo comes from but yeah, it could be stretched so the competitor appears bigger. I wouldn't say it's photoshopped though, because his calves and traps really did look like that. Same shape and size. Nasser had freaky calves full of oil and they still weren't as big and shapely as Dorian's.
I COMPLETELY AGREE. YATES DESERVES EVERYTHING HE HAS BECAUSE HE CAME IN BIG AND HARD EVERY YEAR. I APPRECIATE HIM NOW MORE THAN EVER BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT STATE OF UNCONDITIONED PRO BODYBUILDERS. GREAT VIDEO...
I think in bb competitions mass and completeness and proportions should be more important than being conditioned, looking grainy and stuff.
After all the sport is called bodyBUILDING.
Yateses arms and chest are a Mr O Unworthy in my humble opinion.
Damn that was a close contest!!! I'm a big fan of both guys and man it was in large part Dorian's back that pulled him through on this one
Yates was just so damn dense and hard . It was an easy win for Yates
These type vids can be taken with a grain of salt since we know most of the time real life vs pictures can be totally different! Levrone looked soft compared to Dorian, at least in the pics.
2:15 Shawn Ray is the last bodybuilder in the open class to do a decent front double bicep vacuum pose. He is perfection, but he's giving away 60lbs to Yates. The judges didn't have the guts to give it to Shawn. It took until 2018 for them to finally say "let's give it to the guy who looks best. Not the guy who is the biggest."
Kevin is my favorite bodybuilder but Dorian was just untouchable. The lighting is really shitty at this show it made everyone look flat
Yates by a landslide, nobody in the 93 or 95 lineups come close
I like how Nasser stays on the side and smokes them on some of the poses on a video comparing the other 2 lol
Yates arms and shoulders were never up to much and his gut was awful the last couple of years.
Agreed, Levrone kills him in the front upper body
Who would you rather look like? Levrone's posing was 10 times better than Yates'.
Kevin is talking half a step forward to look bigger. He even admitted it 20 years later
That 2nd rear lat spread pose was from 94 not 95, also Nasser should have probably been 2nd at this contest and really pushing for 1st.
When you watch the show in real time, Yates wins that show by a country mile, imo no way does Yates lose that show.
fun fact ...this contest was on Mars
Good video, Tom.
Dorian's side triceps is unbeatable also
kevin never won olympia but his wild genetics in my opinion is what a man dreams if he had worked his legs and back more would have been the man of the 90s
I think Ray should have won that day. He was the most complete builder, with mass, defenition and symmetry
That pic of Dorian at 15:00 is something that has never been surpassed. Just unreal
Yates obviously a legend but a Mr. Olympia shouldn't look that bad in a most muscular pose. I know he was dominant in a lot of mandatory poses but Geez if his standing relaxed is that bad and if the most muscular is the last pose the judges make them hit and he looks really really really bad I don't get how they place him first.
@3:35, just look at the guy on the right, Nasser he looks bigger than yates and Kevin for gods sake. A monster amongst monster
Mortal Kombat exactly what I said haha Naser was better than them in all the poses by size n definition
synthol
Yes but nasser had below average back
Mortal Kombat Nasser hadn't the same conditioning, especially from the back, that really let him down
Bro where did you get the first picture on the right of dorian hitting the most muscular where he looks like a life sized fucking hulk! i need that to motivate me!
It's photoshopped.
I feel like it's fairly well established that Kevin owns side chest and Yates owns side triceps but you went the other way in your analysis which was supported OK but not good enough IMO. Although, Yates got destroyed in the hands clasped and Kevin did look damn good in the front lat spread. Thanks for the vid
The uncrowned Mr Olympia in the background Shawn Ray.
Looked like this comparison should be between Levrone and Shawn Ray lol. Dorian looked like a mess.
you're so full of shit lmao
Well I'll be damned! What the hell is going on here?!
Pic of the rls at 8:40 is from 94 not 95. Just check out Yates longer hair in this pic compared to the crew cut in 95
You're correct. I believe someone pointed this out already. I can tell just from the backdrops now whether it's 94 or 95 but made a mistake here
You know, I like to re-watch some of your older content once in a while. I must say, this comparison was only/also good for to notice that Nasser destroys both of these guys from the front and side while Ray can hold his own against Dorian from the back with BLS the only exception of course.
So, I dunno. Both Ray and Nasser were the big losers of the 90s, I could easily split Yates' 6 titles between the 3 of them, and no disrespect towards Kevin, but I think the closest he was to grab a title is in 2000, but Ronnie still edged him out that year.
as much as i liked Kevin he never was complete. AND Yates was gifted a few wins..
2:25 we can all see a monster in the back
what I love about the 90s is they had that size, detail and conditioning while still maintaining a level of aestheticism. like people rave on about comparing the golden era, with todays bubble guts but thats a stupid comparison because golden era had WAAY less muscle. 90s bodybuilders still had a lot of size not as much though, while mainting an appealing look.
i mean lets be real some of the smaller golden age guys like frank zane are in a similar tier to an advanced fitness model/ mens physique guy in terms of muscular development.
For me Nasser was more packed massive compared to Yates, same with Ferrigno.
Again, you just have to hold the 1990s as the the most incredible decade for body building. Yates set it all going and the rest went with him big time. Absolutely amazing physiques in number. It’s right to say that Levrone and Ray had the most symmetrical and body beautiful physiques and it’s a shame they wearing rewarded for it (Wheeler included). But despite that, every time you look at Yates body it just looks like he has been chiselled out of granite by a comic book artist. You can’t take your eyes off him.
Yea check out the pic at 15:00 of Yates. Mind blowing!
i have never understood while people prefer crazy vascularity. Guess it's subjective.
In every shot, I preferred Kevin.
Whats the heavy dislike ratio for?
Shawn should have won in my opinion. He has the perfect combination of completeness, aesthetics,posing and conditioning
That dislikes pour in any time it's a close contest, no matter who I choose. Saw the same thing for 94. In this one you have two of the most beloved bodybuilders of all time in Levrone and Yates, so I suspect it would've been just as ugly if not worse if I gave it to Levrone lol
At first glance I was like oh shit what is early Rolley Winklars doing there @5:36
Picture that you shown us from 8.23 to 8.56 in video is from 94' Olympia.I know that because of the background.100 %. But all in all your comments are on point,i agree with what you said in this video.
ah great catch you're right! This was before I looked at the 94 O or I would've totally caught that lol
Keep up the good work,your videos are great.
I thought Kevin looked fantastic in 94. Especially with Dorian and the bicep issue. Not taking anything away from Shawn though. Tough call between Shawn and Kevin.
So happy that the arnold impression intro's are history.
It's so strange to me how I can look at Shawn or Kevin and think that they deserve to win these shows; yet when comparing the individual muscle groups and muscle maturity I also lean towards Yates. I wish there were more mandatories that highlighted flow/aesthetics/symmetry.
Nasser really started peaking out 95'-97', but he always had conditioning problems and allegedly used synthol.
Dorian’s conditioning was always on point. He outworked everyone & that’s how he won. If we judged mainly on pretty physiques, Melvin Anthony, Lionel Beyeke, Cedric McMillan & Patrick Moore would have higher placings. Dorian’s conditioning was just on another level from the rest. I don’t even see the comparison of Levrone & Dorian in 95. It’s an easy 1-2 for me.
The battle of Yates and Levrone.. Front double biceps : Nasser own that pose😂
what the fuck kevin is the master of side chest
Am I the only one noticing that in all the pics kevin looks 2 inches taller than yates ? Yates is listed at 5'10" and levrone like 5'8"..
Kevin won front double bicep thats it. The most muscular didnt count back then. The Shadow wins every other pose.
Ok fanboy
For me, Dorian's arm tears rendered him null and void for the title(s). I look at pictures and wince.
I've always found the veins on Dorian's right arm quite off-putting really and it would look much more pleasing to the eye if they were less noticeable or a bit tidier looking, especially as he seems to only have them on the one arm and so it doesn't even look symmetrical with the eye often bring drawn to them.
dorian only wins 2 rear lat spread and back double bicep. Dorian has better lats, calves, forearms and conditioning. Levrone's conditioning isnt as good but has better chest, shoulders, arms, hamstrings and glutes, traps/upper back..... and he wins 5-2 in poses. Levrone is the uncrowned mr olympia 2-3 times and nassar should of won in 97. Dorian should only have been a 3-4 time mr.O
talking about Kevin and Dorian and missing out on the 2 guys killing them..Shawn Ray and Nasser..lol..
Kevin had less torn body parts and better shape overall
Kevin turns those feet out another 1/2 inch on his poses that quad sweep would have really popped .
In the end of the day Shawn Ray should have won this competiton (and not only this one). Perfect aesthetics, conditioning, mass-symmetry ballance. Literally no flaw whatsoever.
Ray looked good that year too. Kevin is my favorite bodybuilder of all time. But he just didn’t have the back and legs that DY had. Even with the biceps starting to deteriorate that year Dorian Yates back and hardness is hard to beat.
Levrone is one of my top 5 bodybuilder of all time but he looks soft and undefined in most these pics..i dont know if its because he stands next to one of the best conditioned guys in history or if its the resolution of the pictures or if he just was off?
I dont agree with u, levrone is the king of side chest pause
Some fun fact about Levrone: At bodypower 2013 Levrone, Yates and Shawn talk about their rivalry back then, and Levrone said he always cheat in the back lat spread pose against Dorian :D:D He is always hit the pose 5-6 inch closer to the audience, so he look as wide or even more wide than Dorian :D:D. There is a video about it on yt so check it if you dont believe me :D.
I personally think Nasser looked better in these shots.
Revisiting these pics...HOW IN THE FUCK did Ray not win this? His conditioning smashes all of them with zero weak body parts! Seriously go back through this video or find the actual contest and if you don’t let your dislike for Ray get in the way it’s plain as day he should have won
Yeah he looked great no doubt. But I alrdy made a strong case for him winning in 94 and didn't wanna beat a dead horse lol, plus that would be a little disrespectful to runner-up Levrone here
Front lat and both back are Dorian's, every other pose Kevin takes
Scripting sounds alot better now. Great video man!
Noel Rosell thanks man practice makes perfect
8:16 Levrone with the insane trap insertions. Dorian looks horrible and blocky. Hes back might be dense but its ugly af anyway. This is bodybuilding not massbuilding. Urgh.
Darn that intro😂😂
Kevin is such a waister potential, he had much better genetic potential than Dorian. But Dorian was in his gym all year while Kevin was singing in his studio. Yates wins this show, not even close. Kevin had traps just as good as Dorian, but his lats did not exist from the back. He probably didn't even know how to train them. He was also much softer, and this was one of the better conditionings he brought to the stage. He was better from the front, but from the side? Common, Dorian had 1 extra layer of thickness on him. Even his delts looked bigger and the triceps looked just as impressive. I disagree with the side chest, DOrian's bad muscle bellies don't fill the pose, but he wins the side triceps (barely) and easily wins the abs and thighs. Much crisper abs, boing 747 lats and great cuts on legs. In this pose, his detail beats the Levrone's roundness. Kevin only had a smaller waist, which doesn't do it for me. He probably didn't even train his abs and barely trained his legs
Srbenda126 Your right. Kevin was a genetic freak and was a part time, lazy bodybuilder. He was in the gym half the year like Flex and no matter how genetically blessed you are, you can be out worked! It’s a shame Kevin and Flex never reached their full potential where as Dorian squeezed out every inch of potential from his physique. That’s what being a champion is all about!
Nasir alsonbaty smoked them both in the pictures
Tom I looking forward to showing you 30 years of non steroid muscle maturity.I will be in contest form by then end of the year.I am 5'10 weighing 235.
I laugh because everyone is so sold on roids,all they are doing is ruin great body.Shawn Ray looked the best just like William Boniac
but size and mass prevailed,that is why I believe if the judges followed suit Big Ramy beat Phil Heath in the 2017 Mr Olympia.I am 50yrs old and I going to prove a point.Tom you really know what your talking about and that is very rare!
Shawn Ray looked incredible!
Dude do you lift weights ?