1996 Mr Olympia Revisited!
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2019
- A video review of the 1996 Mr Olympia, featuring one of the deepest lineups of all time! My focus however is the Top 2 callout consisting of Dorian Yates and Shawn Ray. Did Ray get robbed or did Dorian indeed deserve this one? Let's go through it pose for pose and find out...
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Those Christmas trees on Shawn and Dorian were high definition even with this old footage! 🎄🎄🎄
Ronnie has a bulldozer on his back 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I dont know if its the oil they use or what but these 90s physiques just glow and pop like crazy. There's just a totally different look to this era.
it always surprise me how good Dorian is in the mandatory, such an smart poser.
Great transitioning aswell by Dorian every time he moves everything just pops and looks hard as nails
Dorian is one of the smartest posers of all time, watch his 1997 posing routine (uNt G-4K95JE) and how he posed around his injuries to take the win.
Ray was able to hold his own between those beasts, amazing bb...
If he had the size to match he probably could've been a 4-5 time Mr O.
@@Tomn8er I think Ray not really need more size, he just compete out of his division... if they have 212 back then..
He would have to drop a few pounds but I agree with the 212. Also seeing Lee Priest in there.
@@dominikdavid3044 He would win EVERY fucking year
@@Tomn8er if he had the size he wouldn't have the aesthetics and proportions (well, highly unlikely that is) and a very small and tight midsection which is his bread and butter. He was so good BECAUSE he wasn't huge. It's the same argument as "if only Lee Priest was taller" well if he was taller then his trademark fullness and 3D wouldn't be as present, his impressive arms worked because they were so short, him being taller means his limbs would be longer and his physique would drastically look different. I also think Ray would look a bit stocky and unaesthetic with more size as we've seen in 1998 when he tried to play the mass game and came in at 218 pounds (his heaviest) and thus placed poorly.
Ronnie was already looking awesome imo
Totally agree. Bought the 96 video (christ I'm old!!) as soon as it was released , Yates blood and guts too.
Remember looking at Ronnie in the show and thinking WOW and being amazed he didn't place higher.
Couple of years later I was on a river cruise with my friends, bought Flex magazine in a local Irish country shop (still have no idea what the hell it was doing there, totally crazy that it was. The look of horror I was given by the old lad behind the counter when I put it down to pay still makes me laugh 24 years later!!) and was not one bit surprised that Ronnie had won when everyone else was on team flex or team levrone. I loved both guys, especially Kevin, but I was delighted for Ronnie. His biceps alone were just completely insane.
Namaste my friend 👍
Ronnie should've been in the top five. The Grand Prix shows post the '96 Olympia were insane. Everybody was jacked especially Ronnie and Dorian.
Why they keep comparing Dorian to Shawn Ray of course he's going to win cuz he's way bigger Seans physique is a lot better than dorian's if Sean was bigger and taller he would have killed him I don't think Dorian ever had a nice physique
Ronnie worked on his posing a lot in the two years after this show. Mandatory poses were awkward lol
yeah but then Ronnie started posing like an idiot..sorry for lack of better word..BUT he started all the bouncing around the whole time he was hitting a pose.AND even the pose wasnt hit for long enough periods of time. He looked like Dillette posing.
He always had the sickest roof raising technique year in year out
@@stephenbrand5661 fucksake hahaha
Back when it was almost impossible to obtain your IFBB pro card without being in the top 1% of bodybuilders around the world. Nowadays any gym junkie with some average genetics and a heavy load of anabolics can win a cheap show and get a pro card which is why we have such a mediocre lineup nowadays at the Olympia compared to the 80s 90s. Anyone in the top 10 of the 90s would smoke today's lineup. Period.
The cream still rises to the top..... so that sais a little more about the current era..
Yeah but they wont win tho or be in the top call out
EveryThingAutomotive ETA palumbo? Is that u?
Not Phil Heath. Love him or hate him, he would be top 6 undeniably through the 90’s.
@@Primathys phil hasn't competed this yr he's done
As much as I like Shawn and I prefer his physique over Dorian's (aesthetically) I think this bodybuilding contest wasn't even close. Yates was from different planet. Just my 2c.
I commend you on knowing when to separate personal admiration and what you would like to look like and bodybuilding as a sport and its judging criteria. So many people are delusional when they say "Flex should've won" "Levrone should've won" simply because they find their physiques more appealing and would like to look like them but don't know anything about how bodybuilding shows are actually judged and what is looked for.
there should be an official Mr.O youtube channel with videos from the present and past. You already talked about it. This is a tragedy.
Dorian's side triceps stance is the best. I don't know why more Body Builders don't imitate it.
Far more enjoyable to watch this even with crappy footage than this years Mr. O. Good commentary Tom. Keep them coming.
2:50 God damn look how glorious ronnie colemans back is even next the legendary dorian yates. 💀🙊. That is the definition of a freaky back.
Beats Dorian
Ray was absolutely amazing at this show...favorite Ray showing ever!
you can tell how big was Dorian Yates because Ronnie Coleman here it's a freak of nature and if you notice dorian's back is much more bigger insane
Dillet's posing always a sight to behold, looking like a real-life greek statue especially at 12:20
that detail and condition of dorian is out of this world solid hard rock.
AMAZING VIDEO, @Tomn8er!!! I LOVE YOUR REVIEW of 1996 Mr Olympia!!
Was watching the old pump up room footage of this contest earlier on and thinking I haven’t seen much analysis of it! Such good content as always and right on time!
Dorian lost his symmetry with the torn biceps. The rest of his body was enough to give him the win I guess.
He lost simmetry with his gut! No arms+gut = mro?!
He was still a beast in this show.
I have to agree with Shawn, a guy with only one arm shouldn't be crowned the best body builder on the planet. Saying this as a fan of Dorian.
well, he lost symmetry but never lost the symmetry round for his entire career except in 91
@@f22guion2 his triceps were fine size wise, what are you talking about? There wasn't any noticeable difference between his left and right triceps, the only argument one could really make is that Dorian started using insulin heavily which blew his midsection out right around that time (1996-1997) and basically made his arms look even smaller in comparison when actually if you would measure them they wouldn't be any smaller if not even bigger than just months/a year before.
Bodybuilding needs some serious mainstream representation. Maybe if competitions would get more advertisers they could afford better quality.
This is a really good review and breakdown of 96’. Great job.
something is wrong with how contests are judged, if you can say a guys body is ugly and lacking aesthetics yet that body deserves to win
I dont care what anyone says almost no one brings this type of condition anymore.. this was a pleasure to watch thank you Tomn8er for sourcing this footage.
Dorian has such a great frame for how he poses I agree and never liked his look compaired to many others but wants he locks in the pose it's like he just transforms it very impressive to say the least. I always thought he was going to lose but again once he got into position he was pretty hard to beat. Being a judge and what fans want is so difficult it's almost like they should due huge surveys every few years to see is it really all about being a Monstor every year or would the sport become more popular like in the 90s if the rewarded the more classic but still massive guys. Great videos as always.
I absolutely agree, someone needs to remaster these olympia legendary years.
Great footage. Thank you for the commentary.
People always told me Yates was gifted this Olympia , thank you for the video because without having bicep tears Yates would’ve 97’ 98’ 99’
if if if. he had no left biceps so automatically out of the race
@@leart78 says who? not IFBB, not the judges.
So who exactly? a random youtube hater aka yourself? Got it, so nobody worth mentioning.
You deserve A LOT more subs bro. You, Lui and Nick are the best commentators of bodybuilding. Great work, keep it up Tom.
Nick is always biased.
Chris Ballis facts
Damn they all have abs and separation on their quads and back!
@Nicholas Holland
Too much insulin!
2:45 holy shit look at ronnie back already
100%. Yates has the details locked in but Ronnie has insane mass!
Ronnie was gifted with great genetics
In the front relaxed, Shawn doesn't expand the torax, he contracts his abs and intercostals and looks much smaller. Dorian looks a dinosaur... Nice video as always.
Wow my memory was really off because I originally thought Dorian should of lost this show given his bicep tear but going through pose for pose I was there right with you so bottom line Dorian was my straight up pick to win, funny how memories can be jaded over time by gossip and chatter
Awesome video man.
Really really good analysis
9:40 to me nasser is DOMINATING over Dorian
Me too!
Nasser was insane
What!? He's being dominated by Yates & Ray! Especially Yates, he looks like an amateur in comparison.
Thanks for doing the '96. I have the flex mag for this from back in the days. Am I mistaken but didnt they have lifesize posters behind them of past Mr O's? This was the O where flex said Dorians waist was more streamlined.
Congrats on hitting 40k subs Tom!
Thx dude
You deserve so many more ... For the quality of content
@@Tomn8er No problem. Glad to see a fellow Canadian leading the pack and doing it with class.
Shawn was a true hero in those days. At one point after placing badly in a show around the second quarter of the decade he said in a frustrated interview he was gonna quit becaue he just couldn't compete with guys so much taller and bigger than him, but then he changed his mind and came back fighting time after time, bringing the heat to those guys. He really proved there are other ways to win than placing first.
Man the conditioning was so good back then. I want it back 😭
Totally agree today's body builders are taking that many drugs it's spoiling the conditions of most body builders except Rhoden
Thanks for your great content man! Would you do a review of the 2011 Mr Olympia when Phil Heath went against Jay Cutler? It's hard to find qualitative comparisons like yours on that show.
Yeah will probably get around to it sometime in 2020
Good vid, thanks. Dorian, apart from the obvious tear which is a major factor had one other bicep weakness. He didn't use SEOs. Nasser and flex defo did. If you look at the end of the video the difference between Dorian grain and flexs softness in the bicep shows. I'm not sure about Sean tbh, I dont think he did. He was calling for flexs calves to be checked for implants around this time, but it was seos again.
Tbh, the only guy in the top 4 that I'm 100% certain didn't use seos was Yates. This is why every area of his physique looked so grainy.
I feel very privileged to have seen him up close in person and I can say with absolute certainty no seos were ever put into any muscle group in his body. The striations, feathering and density in just his delts was absolutely outer worldly, video pictures, even photos at the time didn't do it justice.
He had his flaws, especially towards the end due to injuries, but every bit of muscle on his frame was built through hard training. No fake enhancement, at all, anywhere. Nasser, on the other hand looked weird in the biceps and the rear and side delts up close.
Shaun looked pretty spectacular also, and he would be considered as one of the absolute all time greats if Flex didn't go mad with the crude.
Anyhoo, just my opinion. More than happy to be called on anything you guys disagree with.
Namaste 👍
Damn, damn and damn........conditioning par excellence, awesome Shawn Ray but Yates simply would not be denied, granite conditioning, master of the mandatory poses........many thanks for the upload
Dorian is dominant, he is the master of the mandatory poses.
Just discovered you channel - love your topics and approach. Would love to see more of your "best body parts" series.
BTW, I'm an expert in Photoshop (painting with it is my job) If you ever need anything image related I'd be happy to help. Would be fun to collab on some creative 'shops, morphs, comparisons, callouts, what-ifs, etc. There isn't anything in PS I can't do.
Awesome man! Incidentally I was planning on finally starting a best body parts series early in the new year, so will let you know if I need anything 👍🏻
Right on. PM me and we can exchange contact info. I don't see any way of sending you a PM from my end. Perhaps you have it disabled?
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I remember the Flex magazine article said that Levrone was struggling that year in the midst of a divorce and running his new gym. Wasn't his usual self and wasn't a factor. Wheeler was off that year as well.
Hate to agree as I still think Dorian won more than he should have, but clearly, 1996 was not one of them. Shawn looked exceptional, but Yates was just too good. Unless - as you said - you go to different directions and start to reward completeness, aesthetics, shape or symmetry. Which are pretty damn important, tbh. But as far as mass and conditioning can get you: Dorian was unbeatable at that time.
That being said, this video might've secretly shed some light on the Dorian vs Ronnie matter...At around 3:15 in the back relaxed Ronnie looks as wide or even wider, as meaty or even meatier as Dorian. Surely he lacks the conditioning...I might even say that Dorian was altogheter better in that department than any version of Ronnie...or anyone :) But if you assume that Ronnie had only improved after this up until 98-99, then you'll have a guy with a wider, thicker back with almost the same back conditioning and much, much better glutes and even hams. So this might be one of the important footages regarding the "who would win a rear lat spread?" between the two. Nice! :)
Yup Ronnie's back at his peak was undoubtedly bigger, thicker, and even wider than Dorian's, it makes me laugh when people say otherwise. He's barely in his infancy here, can you imagine the size difference between Yates and a 2003 RC?? Still, Dorian's was probably harder and drier than any version of Big Ron.
Ronnie has a noticeable angle advantage in that comparison,and Dorian was flat here,akaslightly smaller than usual,while Ronniewas 248 lb,just as in 98
a 95 Yates would own him on width
As for Ronnies back being meatier, nice hogwash. Ronnies back had a certain pop to it,just like Phil, but not nearly as thick.I reckon prior to 03 Ronnie never had a thicker back , and in 03 he was nowhere near as dry and detailed, so the size gain is largely irrelevant if it is at the cost of dryness, detail ,...and the width gain from 98 to 03 was minimal.
Ronnies back was NEVER wider than a prime Yates .His structure is simply narrower .His lats are rounder and that gives the illusion of great width,also they attach slightly higher than Yates.He also has a narrower waist than Yates,so he has a good taper, but taper isnt width.
In the RLS in 04 Ronnie at his all time heaviest was not wider at all than a 270 lb Cutler.
www.ambal.ru/compt.php?c=74&im=146247 and Cutler and Yates were similar width.Of course Yates back was thicker ,drier,denser than Cutlers,also had a better taper.And of course at his best Dorian had better conditioned lower body than Cutler.
Ronnie has larger,not better, glutes. Glutes are an indicator for condition,not a tiebreaker in a close pose,and let us not forget the calves,which froma balance and aesthetic perspective are way more important than glutes .Remember in those pose downs, Wayne Demillia always said " turn to the rear ,one leg back showing the calf"....so much for Ronnie ever taking the RLS vs Dorian.
And the hams edge is minimal.Ronnie just opens his legs more in back shots but he aint fooling no one.
In his late 90s form Ronnie is too narrow next to Yates, in his early 2000s he matches the width but loses flat out on condition and balance.Either way he doesnt win the RLS.
Back double another story but these poses are all equal.
Ronnie's back by 04 had already begun to atrophy and that's far from a flattering pic. Even by 03 his width was starting to suffer a little. 99-2000 showcases his true width:
www.ambal.ru/02168027016.jpg
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And his back definitely was thicker in certain areas, upper traps for one. Dorian had the better lower traps but I'd basically tie them on the lats themselves. Dorian typically wins lower back but not against prime Ronnie who had a friggin xmas tree in the RR and RLS which I don't think you could ever say for Yates.
I'll grant you the point about calves, but look at that 99 pic and find ONE photo of Yates in the RLS that looks better because I've yet to see it. Let alone BDB which is no contest.
@@Tomn8er off topic here, how exactly does Ray have a better outer sweep than Dorian? In my opinion they have equally bad outer sweep and are getting schooled by Nasser in that regard.
Ronnie Coleman actually looked insane. 1996 was his best year imo. Yates looks like the Juggernaut while Shawn ray looks like a very athletic and aesthetic bodybuilder. I hate dorians physique but Shawn has no WOW factor. At least Yates has that. I mean, call me crazy but Ronnie Coleman and nasser looked the best to me
Ronnie was beginning to come into his own. 6th (actually 7th before Nasser got DQ'd) seems kinda ridiculous given the quality of his physique. I think it's because all the guys in front of him were proven veterans who'd proven themselves before. You know how it is with the IFBB - gotta pay your dues!
Ronnie paid his dues and kept grinding and improving every year
Tomn8er what seems ridiculous is the quality of this footage .. Dorians lighter skin does better , while the darker skins guys have too much glare . If you notice Ronnie’s legs you can’t notice any separation because he’s got soo much oil the light is reflecting glare
OK. You're crazy...
I think nasser won
You should do some of these shows with your scoring criteria Tomn8er.
Nasser looks like a top 3
Not from the back
I think he won
DY dominates here. Awesome to see. This could be the best line up of all time.
GTOberfest .. maybe dominated Shawn cuz he’s so small but he doesn’t dominate nasser ;)
@@christian_urocar Nasser lacked the details. Especially when compared to Yates. His lower back, glutes etc. Yates came in condition everywhere.
GTOberfest sure he lacked some detail in the back and glutes. But he beats him literally everywhere else size wise pose for pose except front lat spread.. if this were modern bodybuilding
@@christian_urocar not sure what you are looking at. Besides nasser having synthol and Yates not. Yates beats him in Front lat, Rear lat, Rear double. Side tri. Game over.
GTOberfest side triceps you think dorian beats nasser??? Lmao
Dorian was so conditioned that it’s actually hard to see in the old video footage. It sounds weird I know but that kind of grainy condition is hard to see in camera.
Good God, imagine if any of the top guys here walked onto an Olympia stage today. Maybe outer quads have improved these days....but in every other regard these guys would destroy today's field. Destroy it!
Great review! Am I the only one that misses when guys had massive calves to match their arms? Pretty much every guy on stage has bigger calves than today’s top pros.
I saw Yates in person @ U.K Grand Prix & he was shredded. Although I'm English I always preferred Shawn overall! Kind regards Richard U.K
richard ratner Uk gran prix, my favourite physique for Yates mate. 👍
@@eddiebjornsson7907 Agreed buddy, he looked amazing. Happy New Year my friend!
Seen him at that one too. Looked much fuller than he did at the O (from vids anyway, wasn't at the O). I think he peaked in Germany in 1996 tbh, he looked insane there.
Cheers my man. Hope you're doing ok at the mo, things are a bit mental in the uk at the mo. Pretty interesting here in Ireland too, and not in a good way.
Stay safe! Namaste 👍
@@animalcol1 Yes, they were the glory days for sure! Thanks for your kind words of consideration. It's definitely different & odd times. I just stood outside Argos today for 2 hours to buy the only kettle bell I could find. No dumbbells anywhere here in London. I hope you too are holding up in Ireland, kind regards Richard U.K
Man,just want to say your assessments are always spot on.Agree totally with your opinion on the comparisons.
Quick question on the shadow
I feel that his back double bicep was overrated,the wide waist through of his taper and I also feel he was stiff and did not lean back which could have flared them out abit more
The rear lat spread he killed everybody,but similar to Kai,who has an insane bdb but for some reason the detail disappears when he does the back lat spread,I felt yates had a similar issue.
What is your opinion on this
It looks like Dorian has bird like wings
Imagine if shawn was born this era and competed in classic. . . Game over.
No, sir. He would’ve ran into Jay Cutler & Phil Heath and lost.
@@sedricrobinson9499 He was talking about classic, not open.
Oh man that lineup 😨
The conditioning was insane in this era.
9:05 I like that. The ends do justify the means, more often than not. It's almost baffling to me that people don't look at it this way. If the unconventional route lead to better results, then it's better than the conventional. Period. Not just in bodybuilding competitions
All of them looked fantastic. Golden era of bodybuilding for sure.
Yo u should do a video on Yujiro hanma and how he would do in bodybuilding based on his physic in the manga, would be super interesting.
Keep making those 90s bodybuilding videos bro.
I live southwest of the city I went to this comp! It was pretty cool I got some cool pics on my disposable Kodak camera! Lol those were pre camera phone era! Pretty cool stuff!
Wow I didn't know Ronnie was wider than Yates. His back is actually a little better than Yates, I don't know how I missed it
what was wron with Paul D? he was breathing and moving,shaking, out of control
Even with the bad video far more conditioned in those days compared to now, imagine how impressive if shot in today's HD
man 6:58 prepping for the lat spread shawn looks insane!!
Tomn8er, which version of DY is your favourite? I think he looked best in 91 and 96
93 95 and 96 GGP
So odd that 24 years later, this sport of Bodybuilding has regressed and declined so significantly. The 2019 lineup and "top 2" was an absolute travesty when you compare it to this 1996 top 2. Wow... it's sad that while most other sports are on an upswing, that *this* sport is showing athletes actually getting worse. Maybe the "advanced" drugs like Insulin and HGH are actually making these guys worse, and they're experiencing a point of diminishing returns, or because of the drugs, just not building a great "foundation" like Yates and Ray did with hardcore, blood, sweat and tears type training.
TBF Ray was using stuff probably as early as 19 years old. He didn't even build a foundation. Dorian was taking stuff as early as his first non-pro comp as well. True, the amount of gear they were taking was minuscule in comparison, but still. I suspect it's the _quality_ of the drugs that has declined over the decades. Remember Rich Piana talking about IGF1 and how it used to be so potent but now it's not even close?
@@Tomn8er well Arnold was on gear as well as early as 16 years old 😂. That's why his 23 year old son, Joseph, who is natty at the moment, still does not compare to his dad at a younger age, yet they have very similar structure and genetics. When I talk about "foundation", I'm referring to how Arnold, Dorian, and Ronnie, for example, trained hard and heavy, and their physiques just seem more granite like and solid.....
Back in the good ol' days
@ 0:03 Yeah, before the pose became the absolute laugher it is today. (Though it's still inelegant compared to the one seen in the '60s, '70s and '80s.) It is now the anti-aesthetics mandatory pose.
Good clip this one,, 👌
3:15 to me Ronnie has a better back, Yates has more detail here but Ronnie just dwarfs him, I was wondering if you could tell me why you thought Dorian's back was better?
rear lat spread, same as Bonac , ray is like "V/U" shape, Dorian/ other champ: "W" shape
Shawn Ray looks like he's having the Batman logo on his back.
Weird that his lats didn't look so impressive from the front.
They make Shawn 212 physique competetor
I agree with you. Shawn is narrow but by from his first year in 1988 to 1996--he's a good deal wider and thicker though the back.
I'd heard about Paul shaking like a leaf during posing, but this is my first time seeing it for real. Jeez. Anybody know why he shook like that while no one else did?
@Nicholas Holland had to of been something serious like that.
Where has this kinda conditioning gone??? Have we lost those coaches??
I always liked Dorian's ROBOCOP-like front stance - just impressive. But without any hesitation Shawn is a winner for me - no weak points, everything in perfect symmetry with extremely aesthetic lines, on top of that very artistic posing.
Shawn could have been a 202, or 212lb class Mr Olympia for his whole competitive career, but in the Open Class he is getting dwarfed.
Unfortunately size does matter, as he and Lee Labrada found out. As perfect as Shawn is - "in his own right" - he gets killed next to Dorian.
Dorian was just special, don't think we'll ever see that kind of conditioning again
Imagine if Dorian had better chest, shoulders, and arms, he might be as good as Ronnie
To look like Ronnie he also needed bigger quads, but it was not really that much neccessary for him to win in his era. If Dorian had better chest or arms that would make him look better of course but his chest and everything he had was enough to be good enough to.beat everybody even Ronnie coleman. His chest was not as big as of Ronnie but it was perfect for Dorian in poses where he usually dominated (fls), his triceps were not the best but it was perfect for him in poses like side tri or fls (great triceps sweep). And so on
Dorian was JUST so good at hitting most posses
Dorian doesnt need all those body parts to beat Ronnie
Front and back lat spread, side triceps, abs & thigh all Yates
4/7 mandatories=game over
@@TheLusianPopa What's your reasoning for BLS? 1993 Dorian vs '99 Ronnie let's say.
@@marijancorluka4500 more width and dryness upstairs,bettef calves,better execution of the pose
late 90s ronnie has condition but not wide enough
early 2000s ties on width, sorta.But completely loses on condition ,hardness and balance, lower body too big
also people who saw them both live from close ,like palumbo and aceto both gave it to Yates in comparisons
good analysis,
I think that the most weakness points in Dorian's body are: Biceps definition and separation, Abs shape and separation, big waist compare to the others and less symmetry body compare to Shawn, Flex, Kevin and Nasser.
He just dominated the Back poses.
Less symmetry but he always won the symmetry round. Less arms but he always won side tri pose. So it's not only about the back
he had more than enough separation and his abs were always deeply cut, what are you talking about? You only have biceps to complain about, everything else is just taking a piss. "he just dominated the back poses" so front lat spread is a back pose? side tricep is a back pose? Delusional
@@dj_m19 Dorian could be off but he was champion, and no one on the stage could take the crown from him. His size, conditioning, ability to pose, and his back were just too much for the other competitors to overcome. Ppl just “prefer” other physiques but that doesn’t take away from Dorian. He was a very impressive bodybuilder. The other bodybuilders were impressive as well but Dorian is undisputed champ
Agree with you
this level of conditioning is jus insane. 💯 miss these days.
Dorian blows these guy in nearly all poses
Um, you might want to rephrase that.
@@Kiido11 kinky
Agree. He blows them. Ugly muscles, no arms, pregnant...
@@sofijintata157 you clearly don't know shit about bodybuilding
@@sofijintata157 salty much?
i realy do not know where the narrow comes from with Shawn.. he was never to narrow or anything like that.. he was simply just too short!! that was the only thing.. and him not being a "mass monster" and focused on posing and symmetry etc, he was allways just a little too small in structure mainly height wise and nothing else.. he was defo not narrow tbh and i never heard people say that, they all said if this guy was a few inches taller he wouldve been mister o no doubt! thats what i allways heard about him not that he was narrow.
You should review the 2003 Mr.O Ronnie was beastly that year
Shawn is lucky to have walked out with second place when Nasser brought that size and condition.
@ijustcant buyaholdensorry thats only 2 poses.
@ijustcant buyaholdensorry thats in 2002-2003 due to synthol abuse. 1995-1998 was his peak time and Shawn wouldn't beat Nasser in a single pose except for those 2 back shots.
@ijustcant buyaholdensorry his back was worst but his front was best even out-performing Flex. 2 poses can't make you lose the whole contest. Just like Yates had shitty arms and shitty thighs and a bloated mid-section but he won.
@ijustcant buyaholdensorry lol you think all those 2nd and 3rd places for him since 1995 to 1998 were undeserving? Nasser whoops Shawn 5-2 in posing. Defeats Flex too marginally. Ronnie was a kid infront of Nasser till 1997. Yates almost got mauled by Nasser in 1997. Even in 1998 Mr. O, Nasser defeated Ronnie in all front poses and Side Triceps.
@@pramitbiswas8772 Nasser had synthol even back then, what are you talking about
Could you do a top five of weak fronts, strong backs. And strong fronts weak backs. Ie nasser, dillet strong fronts. Dorian Ronnie backs. Obviously niether are 'weak' but would be interesting.
We need a very clear vision to see the difference of each and every one.Insane look
People talk about Levrone being a legend but look at him dwarfed by Dillet.. WOW.
No way Yates would lose. Dorian was far FAR heavier. I'm surprised that they didn't immediately make seperate weight classes after this.
Being there changes everything vs watching on a video.
Thanks
Great vid/ commentary. Yates condition was that much better, with 260 lbs and a "trimmer" waist and mandatory mastery it was over at the curtain.
Nobody can take away front lat spread with Dorian
Shawn Ray is the man
Found the groupie, Nasser >Shawn
Nasser at 12:34 was just statuesque