Ranking the Major Muscle Groups in Modern Bodybuilding!
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2021
- Ranking all the major muscles in bodybuilding in a tier list from S-D according to modern day judging standards... then doing it again for the Golden Era!
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Calves are without question D tier. The judges haven’t cared for nearly 3 decades
In the old days you didn’t step on stage without good calves. Crazy how they don’t count today.
technically speaking they are more important than biceps
biceps are FLEXED in 3 poses-FDB/SC/BDB.MM too but arent THE bodypart in that pose, not even close
calves are flexed in both back poses, both side poses ad ofc are darn important in the 4 quarter turns( where biceps dont matter at all since the arms are extended).
Calves are also one of the body parts that define bb symmetry along side capped delts, lats forearms and waist while biceps dont..
The judges havent cared for 2 decades, in the 90s most guys had calves
it's a tiny muscle
@@MikeG82 tiny? well calves usually have the same ms. as the arms
@@MikeG82 Tiny?yeah right i have seen naturals with 18 Inch calves even mine are 16.5 and i have shity calves genetics.Dorian Yates probably had ripped 18-19 inch calves so that would be easy 20 inch off-season.
forearms are underrated, big forearms give the impression of strong arms imo.
Agree
Like tom said it nice to have not it had to
Helps give a comprehensively thick look like with Flex Lewis
Big forearm and calves makes bodybuilders look more filled out and look more jacked
My choice Flex Lewis.. he is not just brachialis but he is complete with flexor muscles,wrist flexors,abduct muscles..
lmao MAAAAN, i was rlly looking forward to the awkward video that was to be the "top 10 glutes of all time".
I don't care it would be gay I would love to see it.
@@jacoryarnett7347 Hip extension is not gay, I love to deadlift a lot :D
And i dont understand the logic anyway. Gays care for certain other body parts just as much as far as i know. So shouldnt we show good arms because of that?
We all know Ronnie would take the #1 spot in that department lol
My best friends mom would definitely be in 1st
Hey Steve Reeves did you know glutes are more important than abs in 2021.
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He would commit suicide when he finds glutes are more important than chest now a days😂😂😂😂
Steeve when he finds out calves don't matter anymore 👁️👄👁️
3:11 this made me sad, rip Luke
"Describe men's butt cheeks in eloquent detail for twenty minutes."😂😂
Apart from the great topics, this is one of the reasons I love this channel. The narration is top notch.
Agreed
I love the fact that he is being honest too, yes they are important but there is no reason going into detail.
Its crazy you even have to say it, Its OK to be straight and respectfully weed out all the weirdos who would wanna watch bb for wrong reasons....
@@NeonAstralOfficial Absolutely.
@@NeonAstralOfficial Wrong reason? Body building isn't just for str8 or gay men. You can enjoy the "sport" for whatever reason you want. It's ideal to be straight and talking about glutes isn't inherently gay.
@@NeonAstralOfficial do you think even half of gay guys would watch the UA-cam video because they're getting excited over Olympic bodybuildings striated glutes? You know most men aren't attracted to shredded bulked up female bodybuilders either. I think most of the drama is just coming from him, and not the reaction of any people. Maybe he doesn't want to make the video because he thinks it won't be interesting, that would be fair enough
3:15 Ramy looks incredible here
I must heavily agree! I dont really like his phisique, but that shot is money.
Man that's a dinosaur!! :D
He’s nothing compared to Superalloy Darkshine’s physique
Anime physique
One could definitely argue that this is the best front lat spread in history
"The young tend to fail in the hamstring area"
Meanwhile Nick Walker....
Haha was thinking of him as I said that but still, he's a rare exception.
@@Tomn8er plus he uses some weird shock therapy thing on his hams while training them
@@lool12366 lol nah that's too niche and others do it too so i wouldn't make that a factor.
Thought of him as well
I really like the pictures you used here to visualize your points
You should do a ranking list for your favorite training videos. Some of the guys have some iconic training videos like Ronnie Coleman big lifts or 2006 jay cutler Olympia prep. Be cool to see what you think.
Omg I was thinking of This EXACT same thing a couple of weeks ago 🤣😂 great idea! Even some clips from the battle for Olympia ones like say for example Kevin levrone 2002 chest workout or 1999 Chris Cormier and flex Wheeler back workout
blood and guts.
@@dj_m19 Definitely one of the most legendary.
About the glutes thing... Yeah, describing other guys' butts in detail is kinda gay. With that being said, the whole concept of bodybuilding is so inherently gay that it's better to just accept it and not let it stop you from enjoying the sport.
However with that being said, I totally respect your decision not to cover them. For me personally it would've been interesting to watch, or at least as interesting as any other body part, but I can do without.
Great video as always, happy to be subscribed!
You're not wrong... it's not that I have an aversion to talking about them, it's just that the way I've been doing that series it's super descriptive and in-depth. If it was a just a quick top 10 where you rattle off names that'd be one thing but I gotta draw the line somewhere. 🤣
If Tom doesn't do a top 10 glutes video I'll have to take it into my own hands and do a top ten glutes video on my UA-cam channel 👌(THIS IS NOT A JOKE)
@@iambodybuildingyt221 do it
@@iambodybuildingyt221 did you do it?
This comment is gay AND he did cover glutes.
Love these sorts of vids, Tom. You’re the best on YT when it comes to bodybuilding analysis IMO.
Incredible as always bro, been following you for 3 yrs will follow for 10 more, top notch content pls keep it up always be urself 👌🏻
Tier list videos are great. Entertaining but also informative, a very easy format to digest.
great video. I'm usually not a fan of tier lists, as they come across as subjective arbitrary noise. However I like your rationale and evidence to support your rankings.
Keep killing it tom.
Tom: glutes.
UA-cam: fetish channel?
Nicely done Tom! We truly appreciate the effort.
Interesting, refreshing choice of subject. Properly executed as always. Well done mate!👏🏼👌🏼
Hoping things trend toward this hierarchy in the near future:
S: chest, lats, quads (largest muscles should receive the most attention)
A: delts, abs, traps, hamstrings (absolutely need these to fill out a frame have great structure)
B: biceps, triceps, glutes (can be very aesthetically pleasing/glaring, but shouldn’t break an otherwise solid physique if they don’t pop)
C: forearms, lower back, calves (I think modern bodybuilding actually does a good job of weighing these proportional to their overall size)
D: neck (just unsure how to grade this objectively, don’t think I could ever justify saying someone’s physique is better because of his neck)
man I like when this guy uploads such a simple entertaining videos I wish u would upload even more
Inspirational 🙌
The video that makes men with big forearms and necks cry
For nattys it’s definitely different. You can’t get massive insane arms and chest as a natty, so developing forearms and neck can really make a difference to your physique
Lol
love the neck explanation some of em just dont even have one lol
I totally agree with the tier list. Thanks for the video🙏🏻
Brilliant as always! 10/10.
Great vid, Tom! Keep em comin
am i watching Team3dAlpha?
Always interesting to see different folks ratings lists 💪
You had me dying on the neck part🤣 "I can't stress this enough guys" #rubiusmosquera
Excellent choice of pictures for illustrations. 🔥
Spot on tom!
i would just ranked the Triceps up to the S-Tier for the old school bodybuilding as huge and full arms and the most aesthetic arms are from the old school era.
Who else clicked right after the notification?
Me I clicked first
Great video! Well done and funny as well 👍🏾
I thought your lists here were pretty spot on. Great video!
Really enjoyed this vid, new sub
Thanks to stick to what is really our sport ! You inform us on the important news and do this kind of little video , who are gold for fans.
It create healthy debate with argument in the community and put us away from all this social medial beef bullshit or little nonsense "news".
Not like Nick , who now make video about Big Ramy being condition because... We can see a bit of abs definition threw his shirt...
Keep the good work man !
This channel is the bomb 💣
I still prefer the old school, but new school got to have love too, kool video bud
Feed us more BB videos Tom!!
this whole video just explains why i still prefer the golden era so much compared to modern day. modern day bodybuilding is essentially a science/medical (drugs) contest, back in the day bodybuilding was still a true artform....classic physique still offers some of that i guess....
Modern classic is essentially Old school meets new school and get's a baby called classic. There's still a massive focus on Delts, lats, Quads and hamstrings, and triceps with less on the Christmas tree, calves, forearms and biceps, all golden era essentials body parts. The only thing they do really different in modern classic compared to open is that almost all guys have good structure and insertions and have an exceptionally small waist line which gives them a nice and full yet aesthetic appearance. Personally, Modern classic is my favorite form of bodybuilding.
Bro literally no one would think anything of the glutes, but now that you mentioned it people might go crazy. I was weirded out on how much attention is put on them when I first came into bodybuilding, but after years I don't even think of them as any more different or weirder than the biceps for example.
They are valued differently than any other muscle group tho, because you don't want to have massive developement there, just great conditioning, something that you wouldn't want for lats, delts, calves, chest for example so glutes matter but not in the same manner.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 I'm talking about the glutes in the way that they're viewed as something sexual, not talking about how they judge them. Btw ronnie's glutes are probably the most overdeveloped in the history of the sport and they still somehow look good on his frame because everything else is also huge.
@@barney2159 I somewhat understood it but I wanted to just say it out loud as this idea came to mind. And Ronnie's glutes were so overdeveloped because that (alongside the quads) was the only bodypart that grew significantly during his reign and by 2003 they really looked ridicoulus from the rear, and by ridicoulus I mean his ass looked as wide as his lats in the rear lats spread.
Yeah I just think of the glutes as another body part like triceps, traps, or calves, I don't think anything of it
tom is back😍
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Man's got the Hanma demon back
Cool video, Tom!
I always love tier list videos they are truly the best 👌 I say lats, quads, and a small waist line are all s tier because these are all essential in having a great v taper and x frame and without them it will be hard to be one of the best of the best, you can get away with having a bit smaller shoulders which is why I would have shoulders in A teir but good luck winning a contest with toothpick quads or a giant big Lenny waistline.
I have been focusing A LOT on shoulders, triceps, delts lats and Quads as of lately working them out TWICE a week and completely forfeiting chest training (Maybe some quick pump sets at the end of the workout) and I am truly impressed with the different, way more aesthetically looking Physique I have developed. I used to be almost all Chest, traps, Quads, triceps and the back in general and really looked like a powerlifting guy but bow I look way more appealing imo.
Every muscle is king, leave one out and the physique will suffer. I would still give lats the throne for changing the whole shape of the upper body and traps for giving that insane pop all the way down to the lower back and the ”mountain” effect to the shoulders. I think traps look more badass than delts
These are such perfect listings
Lower back is my favorite tho', if a genie came out of a bottle and said, you can have 2 hilariously over developed muscles I'd pick a super thick lower back and a thick neck. The rest is doable, well maybe calves are not, but i don't care that much about them.
I would have chosen lats (to make me wider on top) and either calves, triceps or upper chest.
The rest isnt really doable. Once you have phil heath chest it stays like that. Once you have small forearm bone it stays like so. Same thing with arm, lats, and... well everything
Imagine E-in watching this and sees his calves whenever you mentioned bodybuilder having weak calves.
Props for mentioning one of Reeves's markers to proportion. I still try to get my neck, calves and arms to match.
I feel like if bodybuilders had the upper body of old school and lower body today besides calf’s it would be so much better
Thanks Tom!
This was an “S Tier” video for sure ;)
I was going to request that thanks for the video
Now one thing for sure, lats are the most important bodypart as they give you taper from the front, and are the most important piece in the back poses. Delts are the second most important part probably as they complete the taper effect. Biceps are secondary, Dorian Yates won 4 Olympias with a torn bicep and generally they can be downplayed when weak. But (and this is a huge one) bodyparts are important in the context of a pose, in one pose one bodypart is key (chest in the most muscular) and in another one is irrelevant or completely secondary (chest from the back or in a front double biceps) so this list is fun but there are so many factors involved, that it's going to be a bit too subjective, as you might value a bodypart in a pose differently, like chest in the side chest; you say nowadays the chest is less important but I don't agree as they are the main flexing muscle in the upper body, even if nowadays guys turn to the front and make it more about the arms and delts (witch are extended not flexed) it doesn't mean it judges require that, it's more so a lot of people doing it wrong. Same for calves except for Ronnie all Mister Olympias that lasted more than one year had good calves, from Dorian to Jay to Phil and even Kai, Shawn Rhoden and Branch had calves as most of the guys in the 90's like Nasser, Paul, Shawn Ray, Chris Cormier... So it's more lack of talent nowadays than the judges rewarding lack of calves.
And glutes are a strange story, as they are not valued on their own merits (aka they are big and well developed) rather because they generally mean great conditioning (not always because some guys are genetically more predisposed to have striations here) so they shouldn't be valued in the same manner as you value lats, pecs, biceps, triceps or even the mistreated calves for example, because having too big glutes is not advantagious, having other muscle groups too big damages your balance a bit but doesn't make you look stupid, so at the end of the day they are the same as the midsection, you need to have them defined but not massive in size.
No way can it be justified to put delts over quads.
@@laurikotivuori1585 They are visible from every angle and contribute to almost every pose significantly. Quads are only a major factor from the front.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 What?? Your back poses are fucking ass in the modern ranks if you don't have good quads, your back poses are considered completely incomplete, without them. That also applies to the side poses, guys like Juan Morel never exceeded in the side poses despite crazy upper body mass and great hammies, because his quads just sucked from the side.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 Not only are quads important from *every* angle, they're bigger than delts by an unbelievable margin.
@@laurikotivuori1585 The problem is that they are not fully flexed or visible from the sides and rear while the delts, especially in the back double biceps are fully visible and quite prominent.
I personally like modern bodybuilding look better. Side chest pose with gigantic shoulders look sick.
Really interesting, and great content. Completely agree on the modern bodybuilding ranking, but not so much on the old school bodybuilding. Old school bodybuilding really did focus on aesthetics and proportions, and throughout the 70's and 80's conditioning became more important. When Frank Zane discusses important muscle groups being key for an aesthetic physique he typically calls out four areas, shoulders, waist, calves and forearms ... the peripheral groups that showcase your silhouette. After that it was chest and biceps, followed by back and triceps. Then next level would be quads, and the bottom level would be glutes and hammies. Historically it is interesting, prior to Samir in 83 the back was not uppermost in consideration, but after this it shot up to top level, Haney and Dorian won because they had superior back development. Some people point out Arnolds back development, but in truth that is based on his twisting back shots, which he mainly did to hide his wide waist. Many bodybuilders prior to Dorian actually had relatively small quads, and hammies, but it didn't matter provided they were separated and conditioned, and the calves helped provide leg balance. As mass became more important the higher priority aesthetic areas became less important, the only muscle group that remained at the top was the delts, because wide shoulders and a great V-taper are key even in modern bodybuilding.
You are OP bro ... I am here after 8 months
This is a very interesting video topic
fun vid! thanks!
In the non competitive bro culture, legs in general (especially glutes and adductors) and delts are extremely ignored. We've all seen dudes with arms thicker than their thighs and when their not on drugs, they have to train their delts and traps more. Huge arms with small shoulders and traps looks horrible to me.
most gym bros focus on the mirror/beach muscles-bis, chest, abs and to a lesser extent delts, back and legs are an afterthought, and calves, forearms, traps....hardly anyone ever trains them.You even get stared at when you do...
time to start the neck curls 😤
can you do an in depth video on the top 200 glutes in bodybuilding?
1:54 why do a jumpscreen in 2021 Caught me off guard Dude
Good one Tom
Great video
3:32 Markus Ruhl's shoulders look SO ridiculous in that back double biceps shot. I don't think anyone's come close to that kind of development.
The Honda logo glute is hilarious as it is freakish looking.
Perfectly shown! Terminator ❤️
Good video. When is coming the next top 10 bodyparts?
Possibly next. Hamstrings is in the works but it's such a boring body part to focus on, finding it hard to finish lol
@@Tomn8er What if you try to mix it with the glutes? Like, making a relatively quick top 10, and then recalling the craziest looking glutes. Also you can try to correlate good glutes and hamstrings, Kai Greene, Coleman, Phil and even Bonac have both bodyparts very well developed.
@@CC-be3ko Eh sort of detracts from hammies if you include glutes, look at Dennis Wolf, insane hams but mediocre glutes.
@@crabpeople5541 Look it the other way around, crazy glutes means crazy hamstrings. Best glutes in recent year, Bonac, Phil, Locket, Osladil, even Flex Lewis at his best.
The Calves Gods are _not_ happy. No glorious gastrocnemii or stupendous solei for you.
You can do it with iconic shots too for various bodybuilders
honestly, I think triceps are S-tier. Having godly triceps is almost the same thing as having great arms
Yeah was debating between S and A for them myself.
@@Tomn8er If a bodybuilder's strong points were lats, quads, delts, and triceps, they are probably Mr. O material. I dont have anyone particular in mind, but such a bodybuilder would be winning most mandatory shots
Would love to see this list how you think it should be judged
This was fun
Do one for regular average person appeal!! I’m sure abs would be at the top then
F for neck
Tom can U cover some bodybuilders weaknesses like Kais traps and forearms, or Rhodens triceps
That would be interesting
+1
Iain’s calves
can you do bodybuilding iceberg charts?
If it's even possible
That forearm picture haunts me while I'm trying to fall asleep, it's so unsettling and I can't pinpoint why
Hey Tom, check out William Martins's side chest in the 2021 puerto rico PRO. Man that's some god tier side chest. Guy has a Lot of potential
I agree with this almost 100%. I would just bump abs up a spot. What about the serratus muscles?
lol good thing I've been prioritizing shoulders lats and quads with a more minor focus on hams and arms for the last 6 months
Would you be able to do the same for the Classic physique division?
There's two ways you can look at this list. You can look at what the actual judges of the big shows weigh more heavily or you can just rank which muscle groups you yourself favor. For example arms are important to win a show but I myself never really look at biceps, I never look at calves or forearms, or asses. I look at midsection flow, lat insertions, chest shape, shoulder shape, side legs and conditioning. I'd be a horrible judge for an actual show though and I absolutely know that. I also often prefer things that most people do not, such as higher lat insertions, really low lats just look strange to me.
let's see how much we agree as we go:
abs: your choice is B, mine is C (and even maybe D but you said it includes the waist size which actually plays a role lately)
biceps: we agree at A I think
calves: we agree at D (and saddly they would be at E if it was included)
Shoulders: we agree at S
Forearms: we agree at C (although maybe they are one of the reasons Phil was considered so complete at the arm department and was SO succesfull so maybe they could be B??)
Glutes: we almost agree at A but I'd say it's more of an S, because as you said they are a mark of conditioning AND are visible on both back and side poses..
Hamstrigs: we agree at A ..............................minus
Lats: we agree at S
Lower back: could be a B (lower lat insertion and stuff) but we pretty much agree at C
Neck: should actually be not visible on the open class (what tier is that?)
Pecs: yep they are pretty much a B (although they are a mark of conditioning also AND they give torso thickness)
Quad: S
Traps: we agree at B I guess
Triceps: we agree at A
Always look forward to your analysis videos Tom.
Btw while I definitely agree with you in that forearms are nice to have but not necessary, I think one instance where they really stood out for me is in the 2014 Phil vs Kai Mr. O matchup and were, IMHO, pivotal in giving Phil just that tiny extra edge in securing the title. It just made (and still makes) a lot of his poses so complete and full compared to Kai (or anybody for that matter).
Agree with everything.
RUHL!!! RUHL!!! RUHL!! My God its a majestic pose you showed
You got abs and lats switched on the old school. The v-taper was achieved through tighter waistlines rather than larger lats.
Really dig your sense of humor :) also for the algo!
Pretty much agree here
Yeah OK but who got the best bubblegut then now?
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That's so badass.
Big Back is best!
Do you play world of Warcraft by any chance?
Awesome video. I personally would have bumped xmas tree up to B and pecs up to A but that's just me. Your pick was probably closer to what judges are actually looking for.
Hey Tom, massive nerd here. Tier lists are designed to form a bell curve, I agree with the ranking of importance that you have come up with, but I would have only quads in S tier, shoulders lats and glutes in A, then triceps biceps and hamstrings in B, C and D as is. Then you have a perfect 1-3-6-3-1 bell curve :)
Thanks for the info!
pecs gotta be A tier, especially if biceps are. pecs come into play in a lot of poses and bodybuilder with weak pecs is never gonna stand a chance. ramy may not have great detail but he's still got tons of mass in the chest...i agree with all the other muscle groups though! thanks Tom!
Interesting. Think you're about spot on 👍🏻