2010 Mr Olympia Revisited: Jay Vs Phil
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2020
- Reviewing the 2010 Mr Olympia where Jay and Phil went head to head for the first time as the Top 2. Did Jay deserve to hang on? Or did Phil do enough that he should've upset the champ? Here's my take...
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Jay's sportsmanship conduct is just unrivaled. He's a humble guy.
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@@ADHD55 by sad you mean legendary right?
Honestly, this competition could have gone either way.
This was my request more than a year ago and you commented it that its a good idea. So thank you!
I think Jay's muscle maturity carried him here, he was more wide than Phil but you couldn't ignore his deep cuts and detail on the muscle hence overall he won. Phil had better shape but Jay brought size, width and better detail #myopinion
Sounds about right to me
Great to see I'm not the only South African here but yeah I agree with your statement
Correct observation, my friend!
The level of competition those days was epic
Yup makes me nostalgic man. Bodybuilding was in a such a better place 10 years ago compared to now
Tomn8er yeah it’s too bad
He said himself that it was a 2 horse race.... So no
I thought the 2010's was marked by bad conditioning?
@@williamkelly5689 no, the 2000s imo
12:20 that bubble gut bonanza from Wolf
Seems like a pretty tough show to judge. Even Branch Warren was looking amazing.
I didn't follow the Olympia during the years Phil was on top so it's always so crazy to me to see him with such an ascetic physique. I was introduced to him after the mid section was already a real problem so seeing him in 2010-2013 is just amazing!
jay for the win. he just out massed phil.
1:39 look at Phil's mid section against Jay.He developed bubble gut even in the early years of his career.
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2010 was actually a stacked line up that top 6 look very impressive
Dexter is easily my favorite
What I'm getting from this is jay just looks like a damn tank
My eyes were drawn to Dexter way more than Jay..
Toby Gunn Dexter really looked fantastic he was a class act
And it’s crazy to think that he’s still competitive at the top level a decade later...
@@QuinnCoulombe and a decade before this show been at it since late 90s
The lighting looks so much better than it does today
Awesome content man. Subscribed 2 years ago. Watched most videos several times. Wish there were more bodybuilding UA-camrs like you lol. And yeah I think Jay did enough to secure the win this year!
Thanks appreciate that!
Man, Franky speaking I hate comments like "liked before watching" but that's exactly what I did this time. Thanks for pumping out those videos, much appreciated
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Yup, he is more about bb news
@@elporkchopexpress4219 remember when he said he would go back to the history
To me Phil won this but I'll give Jay that it wasn't a total robbery but an arguable victory. It's not 04 arnold or 07 olympia when he shouldn't have been top 3 even.
I would go with Jay but I wouldn't mind Phil winning it. However as you said, if you are gonna give to the challenger it has to be more decisive than that so...
To be honest Jay was very humble and when he told phil "you are the next big thing" it made me feel like if he cares for Phil and he actually never kept screaming at his opponents. He actually met Victor martinez after the 2007 olympia and told him that the olympia was controversial but it is what it is
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Dexter looked great in the front double
Heroic effort from Cutler, making the most of what he's got to barely fend off the new guy with the genetic advantage. So I give props to Cutler. And props to Phill too. IMO people have been too hard on Phil re. the bubble gut in since '17. Seems unfair that he brought up most of the weaknesses here in '10 (adding back thickness, more legs) only to get busted for the gut when he added size. Phil does need the humility to accept the the gut is an issue that needs attention. E.g., scale back insulin use and look into gut bacteria (steroids really screw with gut bacteria).
If I were judging I would give the back double, and mm to Phil. Jay takes both side poses, the rear lat, and the rest of the front poses, but it is somewhat close in the side chest. For me its 6/8 in favor of Jay. Jay wins convincingly Phil was still just too small and not yet ready to beat Jay
Honestly i really do think phil takes the back lat spread, i know jays width is superior but phil is so detailed theres a whole section of the back that phil has that jay doesnt. Phil should have potentially 10 sandoes (2008, 2010, 2018)
What's amazing to me is that Phil already has the beginnings of a gut here, while Jay after all those years still had a super tight midsection.
Jay has a wider waist and I noticed that guys with a wide waist tend to have flat stomach. Phil here probably carbed up too much, in 2011 his midsection looked better than here
@@samuele8361 I've also noticed that guys with a wider midsection tend to have less distention. Its interesting
@@nf1They have more space for the carbs to go
Jay's quads in 2010 were even better than on 09. Phil was an orange if Jay was an apple though, displaying exactly what Jay didn't - 3D roundness especially in the triceps, brachioradialis and lower lats. I'm okay with the fact Jay Phil didn't win before 11.
That was mesmerizing. The top 4 were really good. I think it’s fair that Jay got the win. He was a little more cut than the pics show.
Can you do a Top 10 bodybuilders after Ronnie Coleman's era? (2006-2020) I know who the top 2 guys are (Phil & Jay) but I'm curious to know who would you put in the next 8 spots and in what order.
Great comparison. I kind of still like jay in the side tri more. I think he took this year pretty easily. Phil just didn’t have the size and polish he’d bring next year.
Phil beat him pretty clearly here. It was close overall, but Phil's superior collection of parts and detail gave him almost every pose. In areas where Jay had the slight detail edge...Phil countered with markedly better aesthetics every time.
too bad body parts mean virtually nothing
jay had too much size and structure advantages
This was a solid show
You really have to watch the video to get a true idea of the size difference. Jay had a solid 20-30lbs on him this year and when they move you can get a sense of the true scale. When Phil came in 10lbs heavier the next year with as good of condition, and Jay with an injured bicep, he really closed the door.
Yep Phil was just getting started here.
If there is a tie anyday between Jay and someone else, I will always give Jay a point because of his sportsmanship and for being a great representative of the sport. It's very rare specially now a days.
If you mean a tie in a show, then the point(s) you want to give to Jay has nothing to do with a actuall show. Sportmanship and being a good representative (allthought I agree with you Jay is) don't give you shows neither let you win them
Jay was more conditioned in 2010 than 09 and bigger actually. Nobody talks about that. Maybe cuz Phil and his pillow stuffed muscles were standing next to jay.
Bigger maybe. But more conditioned? I doubt that.
@@Tomn8er he could be more conditioned and bigger, but it's clear he was starting to melt that's the problem
He definitely wasn’t more conditioned
@@etherealpetrichor9572 i mean he was just as good. That's what phils 3d muscle bellies do. He makes you look flat and incomolete. Phil would easily have beaten cutler hadn't he carbed up too much that year.
I can't get over how awesome Phil looked in 2010. Can you do a 2010 vs 2020 comparison? 2010 Phil would have obliterated the 2020 field Ramy included
Yeah he was better in 2010 than probably any of his winning years aside from 2011-2013.
I'm not so sure, Big Ramy is like a modern day Jay Cutler with a better Back Double Biceps.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 worse proportions and less seperation and worse lines though. You can make an argument for 2010 but 2011-13 phil would smoke him
@@valerioscharer4676 Let's find out call the poses and justify your calls. I'll di the same afterwards.
@@giganticitalianbodybuildin1584 fdp: phil, better muscle seperation, and great proportions, small waist/ hips. Ramy's legs are too short, torso to long and his waist is too blocky.
Fls: ramy no explenation needed.
Sc: phil, once again the muscle seperation is way superior in the upper body. Ramy has better legs though so this one is close.
Back double: phil, no explenation needed
Bls: phil. Ramy is wider but so is his waist. Phil actually has the better v taper and smokes him in the hamstrings and overall detail.
Side triceps: phil no explenation needed.
At: tie, phils taper is pretty bad in this pose but ramys wide waist and lack of seperation in his thights from the front are quite meh.
Mm: phil. Ramy is wider but once again phils muscle bellies and seperation are unbeatable. Striations everywhere.
Ramy is amazing and top 5-7 ever. Imo only ronnie is better than phil so no shame loosing to him at all.
Edit: ramy lost 3 points in 2020 wheres phil lost only 1 in his 7 mr.o wins so that speaks volume.
7:58 makes a good compare
phil has a smaller waist that makes look his back bigger
it looks almost like the had a belt around his waist
this make the compare really hard
but on the front pose cuttler clearly took the advantage
I miss this Olympia lighting
How good is Dexter? You could easily make an argument for him. Especially if it was judged today with the two most current Mr o being pretty aesthetic I think he would have won. That front double biceps is pure perfection
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This was so close. Both guys really brought it
id say maybe the blade shouldve been in the conversation, dry, symmetric, no weakness
Tomn8er!
Great comparison but I would have liked it more if you included more people in the comparisons cause branch and dexter looked pretty good..would have been nice to get your opinion on them.
Thanks, yeah I would've included them but wanted to keep it more focussed and the runtime down. In short I would've had Dexter in 3rd ahead of Branch easily. He beats him in most poses.
let me predict some for the traps: dexter jackson, phil heath, dorian yates, ronnie coleman, flex lexis maybe, justin compton probably honorable mention at least, johnny jackson
Great one, Tom! I was always a bit undecided about this one, it is so close and everything, but after watching this comparison I must say: it was _indeed_ crazy close, but Cutler was the rightful winner.
I also agree with you on every pose, it was also a tie in my book. I must note however, that this just be the best (?) back double bicep of Jay ever. I mean he had better conditioning than in the mid 2000s, much better muscle maturity than in 2001 and he seemed to carry a bit more mass and density than the oh so amazing year before this one. Even his overall conditioning seemed to be very close to 09. It would be cool to see a comparison between 09 and 10 to see what's what.
Bottom line if, Jay _finally_ got a great package as the defending champion and was able to keep the title rightfully so, unlike in 07 and against a very good Phil Heath and a generally competitive lineup.
+1 extra question probably many people asked you about: what do you think about Kai's recent mandatory posing vid and his physique atm?
Don't care about Kai unless he competes, it's all just BS self-promotion. We know he keeps in pretty good shape year round now, don't see how it's even news-worthy.
@@Tomn8er yup, I agree :) I was just curious if you have any special remarks. Personally I find it strange that people think he is OK and would win even with that gut he's constantly rockin'. Not that he would compete of course :D
@@Wikingking I mean he _could_ win against the current field, assuming he came in with a similar look to the 2016 AC, which he still looks reasonably close to. But will he? (Ugh I'm sick of even hearing the question lol)
@@Tomn8er haha, Kai must be the one with the most "what if" titles in bodybuilding.
Best of all, there is a good chance that if he ever returns it will be a letdown or a bummer.
But that's it, no more Kai until he steps onstage. At this point I won't even board the hype train even if he's on the official competitor's list :D
@tomn8er the full Mr. Olympia 2010 is available on Vimeo bro.
If Jay Cutler had a 32 inch waist he would be unstoppable in any era.
I have a good left side relaxed, but my right side looks like crap. I can't even flex the right side obliques correctly.
I was there in Vegas that year and Heath was the clear winner.
5:32 I see what you did there 😂
Super good analysis. I have Jay winning this pretty decisively. I think Phil is great but he just didn’t have the stuff this year. Jay was out massing Phil handily is most shots, making the overall decision pretty easy for me.
Yeah, Jay takes it. I'm trying to understand how Dexter measures here since he was potentially at his peak all those years...
Could you do a video explaining what muscle maturity looks like?
Most of these concepts in bodybuilding (hardness, 3d look, density, etc) don't have a true definition. But trying to answer your question, (BRO SCIENCE ALERT) when a muscle can't grow any more in terms of size, it starts growing on top of itself creating a signature texture, like what you see in older competitors. Some people aren't able to achieve this, though, especially bigger bodybuilders.
Are you gonna maybe make any videos about the late Luke Sandoe?
Jay as the reigning champ isn't knocked out here. Yeah it's close but IMO not close enough here with Phil to take the Sandow away from Jay. That said 2011 we all know it was a full on knock out by Phil. Zero debate!!
you should look at kai in the elvs prauge pro in 2014. He looks nuts. one of his best showings fs
I agree Jay squeaked out the win. In saying that though if Phil had won I am not sure to many ppl would have been upset. Phil was simply more pleasing to the eye. I know his quality progressed over the next 2-3 years then his belly started to grow unfortunately. I sure liked Phil's aesthetic look though.
Do you know Nick's strength and power. You guys are the true bodybuilding judges. Not like fake ufc judges always rigging matches in Las vegas o.o . Did you do dexter jason recent show compared 2010? Which physique was better
Now am giving you a credit 👍👍👍👍👍
Let us just say that when Phil started his reign he started the conditioning revolution while ronnie started the size competition but he kept exceptional conditioning but jay in 2006 and 7 he played the size game and left his conditioning at home
Branch Warren looks like a really buff version of the yellow guy from the movie Sin City.
This is deliberate, the unavailability of many videos pertaining to this Olympia. I believe selected videos were only left for the public to view and others were archived or stored someplace with access only to certain people. This is to prevent people from comparing and passing on comments demeaning olympia judgement which has been controversial for 3/4th of the events in the last 50 yrs.
Storage space is super cheap nowadays so the excuse that they are running out of space is bull shit. Way back in 1996 , when i bought my first laptop, it had a measly 2 GB of disk space with 256mb of RAM, now, its 2TB with 8GB RAM, that too for half the cost.
they have different colored trunks in some of these shots. is that a prejudging vs finals thing?
yes
@@Tomn8er thanks for clarifying
I always wondered about this one... i saw pics and shit and wondered *wasn't Phil kinda screwed* but footage was crap and nobody was talking about it so i figure i was probably missing something
When people say that it is unfair to criticize the quality of today's competitors, I suggest they check out the level of competition even 10 years ago (let alone 20 years ago).
After watching this comparison I think Branch deserved to win Mr o
Just no XD
The lighting actually wasn't too bad that year for a change. Shame about the video and backdrop though. Still 33% is pretty good for an Olympia. Usually all three are shithouse.
Idk man, i know it was not ur call on the video, but the more i actually see Dexter's physique i find it more impressive.. he is not the mass monster, but he is so well rounded and balanced.. i would have given him most of the poses.. notably that front double bi looked nasty
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This time the lighting is really quiet good, not washed out.
Oh shit, I thought I was watching an older video, not a 4 minute old one
My analysis of the poses:
FDB - I give it to Phil. Something I've never seen anyone point out is how assymetrical Cutler's arms were later on in his career. His left arm has a much, much bigger muscle belly, and his right arm looks atrophied in the bicep and forearm by comparison. It looks kind of like an injury or muscle tear, and combine that with the width of his waist, I give this to Phil handily.
FLS - Nothing to say. Jay wins easily.
SC - I agree with you here. Phil's hamstrings from the side are some of the best ever, and Jay's are actually weak from this angle. Jay's width is excellent, but Phil has better separation across his entire body for the most part. I give it to Phil because of the hamstrings since everything else is tit for tat.
BDB - Phil is just too dens, and his V-taper is proportionally better given how much thinner his waist is from the back. Of course Jay's absolute width is extraordinary, and he does have some impressive body parts. Looking at the whole picture, however, and I gotta say Phil's better.
BLS - Yeah, absolute width is very important here, and I gotta go with Jay because of that.
ST - To me, Phil Heath is damn near unbeatable here. His chest is narrow from the front, but here that's a nonfactor, and the fullness he has there is remarkable. His shoulders are wider and more striated than Jay's, and his forearm gives Phil's entire arm a density that Cutler lacks. Combine that with Phil's fuller and more striated tricep, and Phil wins by a landslide imo. Jay's abs are still very impressive here though.
MM - Phil is just so full, and his narrow frame lets him saturate the pose like only Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone ever have. I give it to Phil easily.
AT - Yeah, I give it to Jay. I don't like how wide his waist is or how his obliques spill over in the pose, but the legs and ab definition are gnarly as it gets.
So that leaves 5-3 in Phil's favor. I don't think the judges properly weighed Phil's symmetry and proportions in comparison to Jay's, and they were focusing too much on raw frame size and general mass. In most shots, Phil's looks like he's carrying as much muscle because of how cleanly his muscles separate, and they don't look blurry or washed out like Jay's While Jay's width and a few excellent body parts help keep him in the race, I think Phil is the overall better bodybuilder this year. I don't think it's a robbery at all, however, and Jay got beat pretty handily next year with the rear lat spread switching over to Phil, making his win relatively dominant. Cool comparison video.
I think jay won in the most muscular pose
the only think phile got over jay in that pose is the arm and jay was not so behind
Jay is bigger wider more condition in the front and the legs is superior even in that shot
why didn't you edit a splitscreen with the footage cropped to just jay and phil?
How would that be better than photos where they're actually standing side by side?
@@Tomn8er because, when people move, you see how the body is; a static image can look totally different to the subject you're taking. Sometimes an image really 'catches' someone, when the next image we can't believe it looks so weird, and we just delete it and take another which looks much more true to the subject.
Also, when you change the lighting positions of a static subject, it totally changes its texture, feel and which combination of details are more prominent.
Yes but the difficulty would be aligning the timing of the poses. And as it is I would probably need to freeze it to squeeze in everything I want to say. It's just not worth the extra effort.
@@Tomn8er yes, I guessed that would be the problem, and I wasn't sure what the original footage included.
Yes, an absolute ton of work.
And someone would download it, watermark it with their own intro and not even give you a credit.
Branch was so out of place up there next to Jay and Phil. Jay was a monster.
Why didn't you use videos
Side tricep is just the best pose.
I think if Phil came back to the Mr. Olympis, I think he could reclaim the title, as long as his mid section is tight enough.
Jay is a better human being than Phil.. a better ambassador and contributor towards the sport.
Phil was Fuller but all the time my eyes went directly to Branch Warren. He was so granny, freaky, vascular with complete balanced physique 👌
the reason Phil looks taller is because he was never inline on stage with the other bbuilders, always took a foot closer towards the judges to make himself look bigger
Think about it. It's no coincidence they never showed them together. It's ALWAYS why the cameras at the Olympia continuously span across the stage instead of solely focusing on the competitors.
I see what you're getting at but think you're giving them too much credit. They just don't think things through enough period
Please revisit Mr Olympia 2009 😁
this is like the Clarida vs Elgargni type of battle. Not a 49-51 type of shit, its a legit 50-50. The only problem with them is that they both entered the same show
I think Dexter Jackson won the ab and thigh there.
0:35 classic Phil right there, stepping over the line
Jay won that year because he was better , but he knew it was just about a matter of time . That is why 2011 Phil was one of the greatest physiques to ever step foot on stage. Had Phil won in 2010 his era wouldn't have been as dominant as we know today.
Maybe, maybe not. He would have been more confident about his physique and not add as much mass wich caused the distention.
Dex should’ve been 3rd
I love Jay, but I kept thinking the Olympia he won weren't 100% deserved (2007, 2010...).
It's like he kinda lost his edge after Ronnie's reign, except 09
I agree about 2007 but I think in 2010 he brought great conditioning
2010 Jay deserved, and in my opinion 2001 deserved
Only thing questionable is 07. Rest are well deserved smhhh
Wolf vs dexter. Can we have that?
phiL?
Cant say i agree with tbe FDB. Phil imo dooominates the pose basically. Way better detail and separation in the arms which also seem to be bigger than Cutlers plus phils forearms and tricep sweep
And lower inserted lats that seem to flsre out as much
So really Jay wins in the legs only. Bit more than phil wins in the upper body
But. I value personally the upper body way more than the lower. Id give jay the pose if phil had tiny undetailed legs but his are fairly impressive too as well as possibly bigger in pure size than jays
Plus its the front double "bicep"
Not saying he should’ve won, but branch looked nasty that year. So dense
Like come on Jay stomach looks so bad this kinda physique would never win Olympia in this day of age for sure
I thought branch should have finished 2nd that year with Phil behind him. He looked great and was the best conditioned, by far, in the show.
Conditionning isn't everything. Phil destroys him in the back and arms. Its like comparing an amateur to a pro
Branch with the Dorianesque granite conditioning.
This show I had
Phil 1st
Jay 2nd
Dexter 3rd
It was real close between Phil and Jay tho