"Linux distros i cant stand" - Reaction video
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- So someone really don't like some distros out there. Lat's look at it.
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00:00 Intro
00:37 Reacting to the video
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It's so refreshing hearing a linux user that understand the madness that this community has. Everybody wants everything free of charge, no analytics, super privacy but they have a UA-cam Channel and Name, Social security number, bank account given to Google so they can monetize. WTF? Where does anyone get this impression that you deserve all companies and distributions to do exactly what you want.
How companies monetize their services is their problem. BTW. you can accept certain telemetry but not others. It is entirely possible. It is always about details.
"Where does anyone get this impression that you deserve all companies and distributions to do exactly what you want." Yeah, conflate companies with FOSS projects driven by volunteers that are open to feedback and criticism and confuse voicing a preference with entitlement, that will work. 🙄
Thanks Kent…I saw that video last week I think, as a final point Fedora for beginning users ? Insane, would never recommend Fedora to a new user
Awesome to see you here! Just saw your ClearLinux video. Looks interesting and I might give it a shot. Well presented, sir!
Yeah, I vouch for that since I'm also a beginner who is idiot enough to use fedora as their first distro. Man the internet is such a cesspool of misinformation and delusional people.
Im a new user and I am using Fedora 40 KDE with pretty well zero issues....
I always suggest fedora over mint because it works better. :)
I don't think it's about whether you're a new or experienced user. My first distro was Arch Linux, then Fedora and now NixOS. Would I recommend it to someone new to computers? No, but I figured it out and if you're familiar with technology, I don't see why not start with arch or any other distro that works for you.
This guy really went from "telemetry bad" to "Libre distros bad because they don't give me proprietary software", like choose a side. Lol
The biggest con of the internet is that it gives equal voice to a genuine expert and a 17 year old arrogant noobs
True words and sad reality.
I don't see how age is relevant
@@paulcosma2823 maturity comes with age, when you are in teen age you feel like you know everything and starts criticizing experts 🤧
It is so painful to witness in retrospect. Hell, I remember being that guy at one point. Zero self awareness and a "genius".
@@gingerroot8802 I did a whole video on me retrospecting myself and Boy oh boy... 😱😅
You earn a lot of respect for reacting to that whole thing, thank you. Was hard to watch, I have to agree 100 percent to what you say
one of the most satisfying reaction videos. enjoyed every second of Kent wrecking this 15y/o kid :D
@@ArniesTech me too 😁
Awesome video @TRG, I love your reaction videos. Please keep making more of them.
It does remind me of Mental outlaw,but like the village idiot version. The little lizards are fuming.
yea I usually agree with trafotin on most things but that steam deck thing is VERY wrong. it's literally a custom AMD-based computer running a linux distros.
iirc if you hold down a combo of volume and power you get a full fat touch-based BIOS you can boot into anything as long as it's supportive of the custom hardware, because valve is cool like that, they give you windows and linux drivers outside of streamOS, albeit the windows drivers aren't that good, but you get the point.
trafotin did make a correction but it seems like a really obtuse thing to be wrong about...
He can't stand one man Linux distros? Slackware would like to have a little talk with him 😅
Long live the -current branch.
This entire video is pretty much what my experience has been with the Linux community. A vocal minority that is dissatisfied with everything and how you are going about implementing things is wrong always.
It's nice to hear a voice of reason.
I love how some people will take a general term, that covers a lot different things, and say it only means one thing. Just because telemetry can be used to gather your private personal info, it doesn't mean that everyone is using it for that purpose. Telemetry is just a collection of data. If you want to know how your distro is running on various hardware so that you can make adjustments to assure that your distro will run on that hardware, then telemetry does that. If you want to know if your app is playing well with the vast number of DE's, then telemetry can get you that information. If you want to know how many people are using your distro, or app, telemetry can get you that information and then you can decide on whether to keep developing it or switch gears to something else. Not all cars are Lambos. Not all black people are drug addict gang members. Not all white people are racists. Not all Germans are Nazi's. Not all Linux users are elitist gate keeping snobs. Not all telemetry is about getting your personal information.
arco linux does a pretty good job with its distribution and erik dubois is phenomenal with updating his users about changes. It was my first distro
Ah it's the guy with the random head that pops up in his videos.
I can think of only 2 valid criticisms about ArcoLinux -
1. They have really bad websites with very fragmented information. They could just retire all websites and just stick to their UA-cam channel and Discord.
2. They have too many things which need to be consolidated. There are the ArcoLinux versions themselves - ArcoLinuxL, ArcoLinuxS, ArcoLinuxS-LTS, ArcoLinuxB and ArcoLinuxD; which can all be compressed into one. Then there are these projects called CARLI, ALCI and ARISER which are aimed at ISO building so they could be compressed into just one. It took me a couple of days to understand the differences from their description, but as an end user they're all pretty much the same to me.
i'm fine with steam wanting you to login. you are buying it to play steam games
Deepen scares me just cuz of Ccp lol it honestly looks awesome and solid and is probably safe, but steam os I want steam to have the telemetry, they have served their customers well for over 20 years, and my steam deck is why I moved linux on my desktop, I'm so glad I found your channel I wish the algorithm would have showed me your channel 2 years ago, you have dismantled so many videos I watched as the truth, I'm dyslexic and reading is a massive process for me so my learning is through listening at work for 3 hours b4 my work opens everyday, and I feel like I have been mislead on so much lol
Great video, I agree with your thoughts 100%, my only issue with opensuse is getting my printer to work but I just need to keep researching it and I will eventually get it 😁
Was my only "issue" with OpenSUSE as well. Okay, not really an issue since under Windows I was used to put in a CD with the drivers and suites first :D
are you on Leap? I use Tumbleweed as my main and I haven't had any issues with my printer, which is on wifi, showing up.
@@borremoonkey Thats not a Leap/TW thing. Its like with any other distro. Some printers are recognized perfectly fine out of the box. Some have to be added manually.
Disable the firewall.
I might be a filthy Arch User but even i am not that delusional.
are you sure about that :P
@@KentsTechWorld of course i am sure
Wanted to say something like "good point man", but anime guy is sos delusional and oblivious that basically everything that has a little bit of logic is better
Still great points man, even though sometimes some words were hard to understand (English isn't my native language), good luck with your content
I read the title and I laughed so hard 🤣🤣🤣
I think there is no reason to criticize everything he says though, when he says you shouldn't use those distros he's not stopping you from doing it he's litteraly just giving advice. Opt out telemetry ins't normal in a Linux distro. You can't compare an open source project to social media where it's the way of making money. Good distros shouldn't track your data as it's the main advantage of Linux, you use a community driven and open OS. You don't expect it from UA-cam or any service which needs it to make money from telemetry but you expect it from cummunity driven projects. Saying yeah but another thing is worse misses the point entirely, you can choose to use UA-cam or not you don't choose if you use your OS or not as if you don't you might as well not have a PC.
The linux community need to learn difference of taste and respect it.
You are demanding too much. Linux is like a religious battlefield. "If you do not share my view, you are my arch enemy" 😅
@@ArniesTech Arch enemy btw
@@folksurvival 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@folksurvival i'm an arch enemy btw
As allways Linux talk a lot of privacy. In fact that can be useful if you use it for things that normal users don't do. But in the end, there is no escape from being recognisied or tracked in this scocaity, one way or another you will fall in to the trap, they just have so many ways to get the information they want so you are bound to leave some tracks after you.
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40:05 - 40:31 I just can't help but hear this differently than intended :D
It also ensures that the Steam Deck runs without as many of the Linux issues.
6min into it and your all ready on my boy Trafotin , But really he’s young and he means well ,he’s a good kindhearted kid, more than I can say for the other 99% left😊
arcolinux is slowly morphing into a tweak tool+themes for arch.
not sure what is most disturbing in the video - the video you comment , or that 3D model talking in the video you comment lol
probably all of the above
saying that absolutely stupid unresearched linux bluff and then recommending arch/fedora while having an anime avatar is the culmination of an average arch linux user in a mom's basement XD
no discrimination against anime it's just japanese cartoons (not kid friendly sometimes but :T)
Kent, any reason why you particularly hate Zorin? Is it just a preferences thing or is there some fundamental flaw like sloppy security?
it's the devs i don't like, and how they over hype things, and make it look like they are the one making things when they just repackage or install a deb file, and in some cases just copy some code and change a line or so and then call it their own, they used to not mention ubuntu at all for the longest time, when they distro is 90% ubuntu. Just some of the few things lol
@@KentsTechWorld Makes sense. Thank you.
Well that was interesting to say the least. 😳😳
@6:09 There are different levels of severity when it comes to telemetry. You can have preferences and you probably don't know enough about him to call him a hypocrite anyway.
I dont think this person spends time in Linux because he reads articles and just say stuff that are not true or they partially correct.
He mentioned Linux Mint if its a fork or not. Linux Mint was created for backup to Ubuntu. It is 100 percent compatible with Ubuntu. I install Ubuntu and on top cinnamon desktop and get Linux Mint repos and make like a respin of Mint. I even grap the system info saying Linux Mint 20.2. In fact Linux Mint wanted to create Windows look like desktop and were the first distro to design cinnamon. If you look at where cinnamon comes from you see that the Linux Mint team developed it.
First Ubuntu had Unity desktop and that involved into Gnome and cinnamon became like Gnome 2.0 and just became desktop on its own.
People have to dive into Linux to see why things are made the way they made and I agree with TRG 100 percent. Debian makes repos frozen because they testing stability and Security.
People can still install mainline tool to upgrade the kernel. Distros that have LTS versions are kinda locked unless you agree to backport the system/ add ppa. When I install Ubuntu I install for an example Cinnamon and it comes on Ubuntu 20.04 as cinnamon version 4.8.8 now you have 5.2.7. If you like to upgrade it, you would add daily build from mint repo ppa and run system upgrade.
If you look at Arch I made a EagleOS my own distro from Arch and posted it like 3 months ago it would not load up because arch is a rolling release distro. Everything gets updated and upgrades in arch. Its ment for people who know how to maintain the system and how to do scripting and so forth. I dont know anything about scripting and made a script uploaded it to github for my use or anyone else's use to install minimal arch. The team came up with an official archinstall script inside of arch to install the system into your PC.
Then he jumped to Zoran OS. If you look at where Zoran is on distro watch list and if you look at the version number he would not say anything about Zoran. My friend installed Zoran 15 no problems at all. The team took a while to make version 16 and it works very well. I dont understand why people hate Ubuntu so much.
You have so many versions of Ubuntu. You have the desktop version, IOT, minimal, Server and so on. If people just try them world would run so much better. I never enable snap on Ubuntu you have tools to install to get your packages in a different way or repo. Some examples are appimmages, flatpack, and .deb get where you can get Chrome web browser from general repos not as a snap pack.
And who cares what Manjaro is as a distro? This is probably 1000 times where TRG explained and showed what kinda distro it is. If it works why even bother defending it?
Anyways there more things I could talk about by watching this video I stop here.
I don't really like analytics, but I do wish more people would use steam OS especially on pc, and provide analytics, why? Because what valve and proton have done for linux gaming is nothing short of astonishing. When I can run a Windows game on Linux and it runs better than it does on Windows, with no hassle at all, That's really something
While certainly the reality of the few cases where distros do telemetry by default is very minimal compared to windows. There is a difference between say youtube collecting data, and your own pc doing it. It's a matter of trust and principal not strictly about privacy. UA-cam can't hack my box. Whatever process collecting data from within my system can, so for many on linux this is an absolute red line.
your browser and/or website know more about your PC than Windows do, like threads, cores, ram, program running and so on, and programs, and websites have and can hack your system. how many viruses work, they infect you though a site or program not the OS! the OS get high jacked and then they control it. So again you off base
@@KentsTechWorld To be clear I agree with you from a privacy perspective. However as I said, that's not why many people object to telemetry from applications. It's not a matter of privacy, it's a mater of trust. If you are for example audacity, your function is audio processing, a user should expect applications to stay in their lane. So when they do unrelated things like using your internet connection without user consent then that becomes a violation of trust. Application developers have an interest in getting basic user statistics, but that doesn't justify the behavior. If it was ok for Audacity, is it ok for say pcmanfm? vim? fzf? No, Polluting ones system with unrelated, undesired and unexpected behavior is a core reason why people use linux over windows. It's not that it's *universally* bad, some things obviously need to communicate to perform their function.
Not really on topic, but to reply to your browser related stuff: Almost all malware and viruses from websites infect computers by tricking users into consent and local execution. I don't know what you're trying to say exactly when you claim that the browser and websites knows more about your computer than the os does. Obviously that's factually incorrect. The browser can know whatever the local user account can know. However what websites have access to is significantly more limited which is the reason any website that needs deeper capabilities will have you download some application. An example would be dell's service tag id and update tool. Plugins have become increasingly more restricted as well, for example in chrome they cannot interact with blank pages or browser rendered controls. There's always room for improvement, but no, websites can't get the list of your locally running processes and I challenge you to find me a website that can do this without a user downloading some other tool.
20-years-old? When I watched this I got the notion that this guy was maybe 15, 16, 17 years old...definitely not 20. This is a high school kid wanting to look l33t ;)
OpenSUSE announced that Leap 15.5 due in 2023 will be the last release of Leap and they will be putting all their efforts into Tumbleweed.
no they have talked about changing the way they do leap and SLE but it's not set in stone yet, it's just talks. they say it will be "Adaptable
Linux Platform" so it's not going away, they are just changing how it's develop. but again they are airing the idea and want to do ti, but it's still up in the open, they have had talks like this before. lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/thread/SHINA373OTC7M4CVICCKXDUXN5C3MYX3/
I agree with you that you can't have privacy when you're using services online, but I don't agree with you when it comes to the operating system because I have private documents and other stuff that I don't want to share so when is like Microsoft does telemetry and you don't really know everything there gathering that worries me. The operating system should be telemetry free .
You are talking about two different things, sharing a document is not telemetry but data sharing. Think telemetry of a race car, that's what ms is getting, how much ram and cpu power you have, what the state of it is if it crash, how much is the average work load on the hardware,how often are some thing being used and so on.
What distro are you using? What DE?
Windows 11 :D
I know that now I went back and watched some of your videos I just liked the look in this video.
Interesting how he has done his "research" on all these distros, yet has no criticism for fedora. I love fedora, but lets say one concrete problem with its kde spin is people with laptops that have nvidia discrete graphics, more often than not, get a black screen instead of a log in when changing into performance mode(using nvidia as primary gpu). No mention of it in his video, yet there are forum and reddit posts full of people with exact that problem. Just shows how biased he is...
@cheese Guess so. Interestingly enough, the GNOME version does not suffer the same problems. Was much easier in many ways. Just couldnt get used to that version of GNOME hahah.
Literally forgot to yap about Debian Sid.
~21:00 I'd basically disagree(ish). So yes, you're correct that of course, at least for highly critical bugs, distros will back port fixes. However that can be very time intensive work depending on the situation and will be focused on server applications almost by definition. Because of this is pretty common for non critical bugs to just simply go unfixed in stable releases potentially forever, because the upstream developers have moved on and fixed those issues in later releases. Back-porting features like the "better pdf support" example, effectively never happens, that would be insane. While many points he makes are wrong as you pointed out, using an LTS release on desktop can be genuinely painful since linux as a whole moves so quickly. I used official RedHat on my work computer for awhile, but to get all the software I needed to function you're gluing on so many 3rd party repos to make things work that you'd just better off running something more current like Fedora. LTS can make sense on servers for sure, but on desktop? Not usually.
Yeah you so off base.
@@KentsTechWorld What I said above is just factually correct. What exactly do you disagree with?
@@entelin IT would take hours to explain as you need to understand how distros pack a software, and that not all version number are the same.
I explain it in a video called "you don't understand version numbers and here is why"
Plus a load of other things.
But the best way to say it is that if your way is the best every major distro would be doing it your way. there is a reason for debian(one of the most stable AND secure systems on earth), ubuntu, suse, red hat and so on are doing it their way on anything from server to workstations to desktops.
I would guess they know better that any of us ;)
@@KentsTechWorld I'm a developer, 20 year linux, and IT industry veteran. I know how distros work. I know how software works. I know why LTS releases are the way they are and the pros and cons of each method. I didn't claim to have "a way".
What I did say was that LTS releases on desktop can be painful. Not that they don't have a place. If I wanted to make a web kiosk for a hotel for example, I'd use an LTS desktop (I have done this). Almost all of the servers I manage are LTS. For most people though LTS on the desktop is not going to be a good experience.
Linux moves fast enough that a distro even one or two years out of date can be really annoying and require various workarounds to get current versions of software. For example, where was nvim 2 years ago? Many nvim plugins I use recommend, and some require the *nightly* nvim release. How was wayland and pipewire a couple years ago? Planning on running steam on RHEL 8? Not saying you couldn't! But probably not the best idea. Also these distros, for good reason are much more locked down with selinux enabled by default and so on, which is great and I think even regular distros should be making more use of it, but the tooling and user-friendliness of it with build in policies for all sorts of desktop apps and things, just isn't there yet.
In your video you handwaved away his complaint that desktop software can be massively out of date on lts releases by saying "oh they can just backport new features!". Um no. Basically the whole point of LTS is that you aren't doing that, it's a feature freeze where (ideally) only minor version updates are applied, or failing that bugfixes and security updates are backported. I'm not going to make the claim that major features like "improvements in pdf rendering" have never been backported, since probably everything that can happen in linux has happened at this point, who knows, maybe there was some crazy pain-point with some corporation and they did it in some isolated cases. However as a general rule that's that's insanity. The idea people are spending their time backporting features out of later versions of official software into unsupported earlier versions of the software isn't called backporting, it's called forking.
In my experiences with LTS desktops I didn't even find them to be particularly stable (on the desktop). On my recent attempt at using Redhat on my work computer which I use for IT support and programming I had stability issues with the browser, and X11 would sometimes crash. My audio would occasionally stop working. The version of wireshark was too old so I pulled a copy in from a 3rd party repo. How good do you think driver support will be for a new pc on a distro several years out of date? It will probably work, but those 3 years of kernel progress wont be there. Running Fedora on my workstations these days, I still need to pull from nvim nightly, but everything else is current enough to not cause complications.
LTS is a balancing act. One that is often worth it for server use cases. But an impossible task for desktops except for very specific use cases.
@@entelin red hat, ubuntu debian backport bug fixes, security fixes and features when needed. as stated in their documentation that i read from in set video i just talked about
Just because most things in today's world are opt_out doesn't mean one should ignore this issue.
>Manjaro
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Big if true ;)
Good reaction but I couldn't get through this video
5:57 - Masking all the services that actually makes ubuntu great , and also that is necessary so the system can work properly at some point. They will be the first to complain their machine crashes on ubuntu haha
24:46 - and again , what this 3d ugly model says in his video is so much not true lol - Lenovo and Dell as an example has UEFI encapsulation. I run Fedora on a Dell inspiron and gets BIOS and firmware updates as soon as they get released directly from the software center
Yes Valve made de console and modified arch but as soon as you pay the console, it's your property and you shouldn't have to jump hoops to change the so on it. It's similar to the right to repair in my opinion.
When you cannot use your own image ,you must be ashamed of something. I get being camera shy but the elven image is a bit too much. What exactly is good in this person's eyes? Foss or Non Foss?
I think you should use Windows with a Microsoft account and stop looking in to Linux stuff so you don't run into privacy-conscious people.
Linux and autism
Peanut butter and jelly