"Choosing Arch is HARD" - Kent's reaction video
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Arch linux is hard, choosing arch linux is hard, i am hard, everything is hard.
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00:00 Intro
01:44 Reacting to the video
26:10 Ending notes - Наука та технологія
"Arch is about choice" Yes except the init system...
Yeah, that pissed me off. I had already tested systemd and decided I didn't want it. Haven't used arch since then.
@@overclucker I've seen people mention Artix on and off. I don't know enough about it to recommend it, but if you want a different init system that's one of the things on offer for you. ;)
if you want arch but without systemd, then either build without it, or use Artix, or Obarun, both comes without systemd init, while the later does not rely on any systemd garbage at all.
Choosing a distro of any kind is hard for the noobie. When I first found your channel and was watching your videos you said something one-time that stuck with me and that was the distro you use most finds you so distro hop until you find it and learn along the way. Thank you for another great reaction video.
The point of the video is to get clicks and views. 🤣
That said, Arch is "hard." It takes time. It's supposed to though,. That's the point of the distro, to build it yourself from pretty much nothing. But most people don't have the time to build the workbench in order to build their project, which is one of the reasons Endeavour is really taking off.
Gentoo and Funtoo users also say Linux should be build your own adventure. Not to mention the Linux from Scratch guys….
This can be tracked back to the OG Torvalds himself writing this stuff by hand 💪😁
_Cries in NixOS_
>Manjaro
>Testing
Have you ever heard about ManjarNO? ;)
Arch installation is primitive, like building your own wooden cabin in the Wild West.
EndeavorOS is very popular right now mostly cause it's new and shiny. They haven't had much time to make mistakes, given time they will and another shiny distro will come along.
i dont really agree, even tho i dont use endevour i think it is great because it gives you basically vanilla arch with the DE you select and a theme
this is the package list for their i3 setup for exemple:
acpi
arandr
arc-gtk-theme-eos
archlinux-xdg-menu
endeavouros-skel-i3wm
eos-lightdm-slick-theme
eos-qogir-icons
awesome-terminal-fonts
dex
dmenu
dunst
endeavouros-xfce4-terminal-colors
file-roller
galculator
gthumb
gtk-engine-murrine
gvfs
gvfs-afc
gvfs-gphoto2
gvfs-mtp
gvfs-nfs
gvfs-smb
i3blocks
i3-gaps
i3lock
i3status
jq
lightdm
lightdm-slick-greeter
lxappearance-gtk3
mpv
network-manager-applet
nitrogen
numlockx
picom
playerctl
polkit-gnome
rofi
scrot
sysstat
thunar
thunar-archive-plugin
thunar-volman
tumbler
xbindkeys
xdg-user-dirs-gtk
xed
xfce4-terminal
xorg-xbacklight
xorg-xdpyinfo
they just keep it close to what you would get if you installed vanila arch and if you dont want the extra themes etc just delete them from the "needed" file before installing
@@joaomachado9105 okay
@@joaomachado9105 I agree. It's great for getting i3 up and running... the only thing I don't like are the BTRFS defaults (incompatible with grub-btrfs). Defaults are pretty much exactly what I would be installing anyway.
IG forgot Arco!
Moved from Debian to Arch wasn't too much of a learning curb; read Arch wiki and write down the steps you're going to take in advance Best of luck. I'm pretty sure it is mainly for lightweight servers or development. If you run steam on Arch comment on your experience. :)
On the contrary, for servers you generally want "stable" software; security updates and stuff, but no breaking changes between updates. On Arch, on the other hand, you run the very real risk of upgrading to a version of whatever server software that suddenly has incompatibilities with the code you have deployed. Or in more concrete terms: You may have a website up and running, and you go from one version of Node (I think that's what the kids use these days) to another, and you find yourself with a site that no longer works as intended.
On a "stable" distro, think Debian, the step you take to upgrade is very deliberate and usually comes with a lot of testing to make sure the new version runs your code. I can only speak from a web server perspective -- and frankly my guys run Perl code -- but we've still seen breaking changes between for example different versions of MariaDB (between distro upgrades). My job would probably be a bit more hellish if I were to run Arch servers. ;)
At home I run Arch for everything, including gaming. Steam runs great, but beyond that you'll have to ask more specific questions if there's anything you're curious about or want to highlight. :)
Never used arch but I really like idea that you build system from top to bottom more or less yourself.
That is one of my two main reasons to use debian. You bam go ubuntu or fedora like bundle install ,you can go net install with chroot, or you can go deboostrap all the way.
Second reason is oh wait i have a dozen second reason list :). It doesn't not mean I despise any linux distro other then debian or even windows. Take care mate
Its a 'hook" to get you interested.... Its good marketing. I have to exercise some self control not to try everything. These days - I only install mainline larger ISO's on hard drives - and reserve Virtualization for testing out other smaller or beta versions. Saves alot of wasted time.
After I installed Zorin on my main work station laptop I tried arch distros and whatever on the second laptop I had laying around. (might as well, just sitting in the closet otherwise) I couldn't find much incentive to keep an arch flavor on it...for me. I keep saying I don't like GNOME DE but both the distros I ended up keeping an iso for...use gnome by default.😅 Zorin and Pop OS both come with 95% of what I would want to install in an arch distro anyways. It's not that Arch was hard, but why make myself install and tweak stuff when two distros already hand me nearly everything on a silver platter.🤷
Glibc is hard (and full of security exploits) Musl is easy as switching to Void Linux.
Linux on the desktop is for tinkers.
I absolutely love your videos and you're an absolute linux god compared to me, but I do kinda disagree with "Arch Linux is not for you" in response to "I'm not an IT professional"
I'm not either, I'm just someone who "likes computers" (for lack of a better phrase). However I've quite enjoyed setting up and using my Arch Linux, and I think if you're enjoying something, and using your computer becomes more fun because of said something, then you have just as much place using it as an IT professional.
Good video there KTW! So proud of you, you didn't go off on a Garuda tangent to far... 🤣
I did not get the point of his video as he was bouncing around even though it was about Arch or not Arch ish.
I quit watching his content a long time ago. He's a teacher? That explains it... Book learning smart... I have to say if you want arch, go with EndeavourOS to get a awesome install of Xfce or hell the Arch installer is not to bad for a bare install.
I use EzArcher BTW..... 🤣🤪😆
Thanks KTW!
Hay what do you get when you put KTW & BEW together?
Two guys that know how to install EzArcher and fix breaks on a car... 🤣😆😛
LLAP 🖖
That's why I settled on Tumbleweed.
I think arch it isnt convenient for an end user but the forks of arch like endeavour , manjaro , garuda and big linux . For ahure they have point in the end user experience and not an user centric view like original arch.
The whole video was meant to talk about Endeavor OS and then built a really bad premise around it.
Slayed
choosing linux distro is like being a buridan's ass choosing from two equal haystacks and dying from hanger.
fun fact - the harder the choise the smaller the cost of choosing wrong.
In every community there are masochists.
I like IG, he seems like a nice guy. No drama. But his video topics are so shallow. Trying to make a discussion about nothing.
So you give the guy a hard time for not going to the distro watch page... but you yourself go to the distro watch list of Arch distros and immediately go "not that, not that." What exactly is the value in the list if you're just arbitrarily going to pick and choose what you deem to be correct?
Also, time for some hair splitting. Manjaro is definitely an Arch *based* distro. But it's not an Arch distro. The semantics sheriff is in town. ;)
Do you even listen lmao. i said he more than likely did go to distrowatch and that you should never relay on distrowatch for the correct information, as i showed it's not alway correct and i showed how you could get a list of arch based distros from distrowatch, but again you should research the distro.
I like how you are saying that the manjaro devs are lying about their own distro and you know better wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro:A_Different_Kind_of_Beast
I think you need to take your selective hearing and listen to some my little pony or something. you are talking out of your ass lmao
@@KentsTechWorld Hey, buddy. No need to be so hostile. To answer your question: Yes, I do listen, and then I comment. I will assume you're being flippant, but I might as well answer you politely anyway. There's really no grounds for bad blood between us.
As for the other matter, here's a quote directly from the link you sent: "Although Manjaro is Arch-based and Arch compatible, it is not Arch."
It's the first sentence, you can probably find it, and I'll refrain from further flippant remarks myself. I think we've both had our fill by now.
@@herrpez So it's not arch right :P
and you did not listen, or you would not have talked the way you do as that first part of your comment only make sense if you did not listen.
And as i told you before and i said in the video. Distrowatch is at best a guide, you should never take what they site say as fact's and do your own research.
So when i am saying not that one, i have done the research, and looked at the way those distros are being made and at their code, so i can say they are not arch or only part arch and so on.
so you saying what you said made no sense as i explained why i did what a i did in the video, but you made it in to be something else, So misrepresenting the video at worst, or did not watch at best ;)
So you did not do your research
@@KentsTechWorld Correct, it's not Arch, and I explicitly said it wasn't. But it's still Arch *based*. You can choose to ignore words, but you don't need to lie about it, that's just silly.
@@herrpez then we agree it should not have been talked about in the video, as he was going for a arch distro, not arch based
I wonder if you're able to express your opinion without obscenities, for once?
Fuck no lmao
You should read this just to piss you off more
"Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists"
www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists
@@KentsTechWorld Pissed off? Hah. I think it would enhance your argument.
@@Willibef read the study and then we can talk
@@KentsTechWorld You need a study to interpret a habit? It's far from complicated, it's a matter of choice.
@@Willibef Don't you know i am fucking with you lol.
I find it funny that a random person i don't know or know me, have the need to tell me what to do and not to do ;)
It's really simple, you don't like what i do, then walk :)
I've watched other videos from this guy. None of it helped me.