"Choosing Arch is HARD" - Kent's reaction video

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    00:00 Intro
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 47

  • @kdnsjsnzbhashhwhsbsvwhwb741
    @kdnsjsnzbhashhwhsbsvwhwb741 Рік тому +12

    "Arch is about choice" Yes except the init system...

    • @overclucker
      @overclucker Рік тому

      Yeah, that pissed me off. I had already tested systemd and decided I didn't want it. Haven't used arch since then.

    • @herrpez
      @herrpez Рік тому

      @@overclucker I've seen people mention Artix on and off. I don't know enough about it to recommend it, but if you want a different init system that's one of the things on offer for you. ;)

    • @nilz91
      @nilz91 Рік тому

      if you want arch but without systemd, then either build without it, or use Artix, or Obarun, both comes without systemd init, while the later does not rely on any systemd garbage at all.

  • @MFTAQ
    @MFTAQ Рік тому +4

    Choosing a distro of any kind is hard for the noobie. When I first found your channel and was watching your videos you said something one-time that stuck with me and that was the distro you use most finds you so distro hop until you find it and learn along the way. Thank you for another great reaction video.

  • @npaladin2000
    @npaladin2000 Рік тому +4

    The point of the video is to get clicks and views. 🤣
    That said, Arch is "hard." It takes time. It's supposed to though,. That's the point of the distro, to build it yourself from pretty much nothing. But most people don't have the time to build the workbench in order to build their project, which is one of the reasons Endeavour is really taking off.

  • @AdalbertoMaggioJunior
    @AdalbertoMaggioJunior Рік тому +4

    Gentoo and Funtoo users also say Linux should be build your own adventure. Not to mention the Linux from Scratch guys….

    • @ArniesTech
      @ArniesTech Рік тому +4

      This can be tracked back to the OG Torvalds himself writing this stuff by hand 💪😁

    • @zyansheep
      @zyansheep Рік тому +1

      _Cries in NixOS_

  • @d3stinYwOw
    @d3stinYwOw Рік тому

    >Manjaro
    >Testing
    Have you ever heard about ManjarNO? ;)

  • @bertnijhof5413
    @bertnijhof5413 Рік тому

    Arch installation is primitive, like building your own wooden cabin in the Wild West.

  • @lorduggae
    @lorduggae Рік тому +2

    EndeavorOS is very popular right now mostly cause it's new and shiny. They haven't had much time to make mistakes, given time they will and another shiny distro will come along.

    • @joaomachado9105
      @joaomachado9105 Рік тому

      i dont really agree, even tho i dont use endevour i think it is great because it gives you basically vanilla arch with the DE you select and a theme
      this is the package list for their i3 setup for exemple:
      acpi
      arandr
      arc-gtk-theme-eos
      archlinux-xdg-menu
      endeavouros-skel-i3wm
      eos-lightdm-slick-theme
      eos-qogir-icons
      awesome-terminal-fonts
      dex
      dmenu
      dunst
      endeavouros-xfce4-terminal-colors
      file-roller
      galculator
      gthumb
      gtk-engine-murrine
      gvfs
      gvfs-afc
      gvfs-gphoto2
      gvfs-mtp
      gvfs-nfs
      gvfs-smb
      i3blocks
      i3-gaps
      i3lock
      i3status
      jq
      lightdm
      lightdm-slick-greeter
      lxappearance-gtk3
      mpv
      network-manager-applet
      nitrogen
      numlockx
      picom
      playerctl
      polkit-gnome
      rofi
      scrot
      sysstat
      thunar
      thunar-archive-plugin
      thunar-volman
      tumbler
      xbindkeys
      xdg-user-dirs-gtk
      xed
      xfce4-terminal
      xorg-xbacklight
      xorg-xdpyinfo
      they just keep it close to what you would get if you installed vanila arch and if you dont want the extra themes etc just delete them from the "needed" file before installing

    • @lorduggae
      @lorduggae Рік тому

      @@joaomachado9105 okay

    • @bstar777777
      @bstar777777 Рік тому

      @@joaomachado9105 I agree. It's great for getting i3 up and running... the only thing I don't like are the BTRFS defaults (incompatible with grub-btrfs). Defaults are pretty much exactly what I would be installing anyway.

  • @joeloveslinux
    @joeloveslinux Рік тому +1

    IG forgot Arco!

  • @sharpshooter-ot2ew
    @sharpshooter-ot2ew Рік тому +3

    Moved from Debian to Arch wasn't too much of a learning curb; read Arch wiki and write down the steps you're going to take in advance Best of luck. I'm pretty sure it is mainly for lightweight servers or development. If you run steam on Arch comment on your experience. :)

    • @herrpez
      @herrpez Рік тому +1

      On the contrary, for servers you generally want "stable" software; security updates and stuff, but no breaking changes between updates. On Arch, on the other hand, you run the very real risk of upgrading to a version of whatever server software that suddenly has incompatibilities with the code you have deployed. Or in more concrete terms: You may have a website up and running, and you go from one version of Node (I think that's what the kids use these days) to another, and you find yourself with a site that no longer works as intended.
      On a "stable" distro, think Debian, the step you take to upgrade is very deliberate and usually comes with a lot of testing to make sure the new version runs your code. I can only speak from a web server perspective -- and frankly my guys run Perl code -- but we've still seen breaking changes between for example different versions of MariaDB (between distro upgrades). My job would probably be a bit more hellish if I were to run Arch servers. ;)
      At home I run Arch for everything, including gaming. Steam runs great, but beyond that you'll have to ask more specific questions if there's anything you're curious about or want to highlight. :)

  • @MakeLinuxSimple
    @MakeLinuxSimple Рік тому +3

    Never used arch but I really like idea that you build system from top to bottom more or less yourself.
    That is one of my two main reasons to use debian. You bam go ubuntu or fedora like bundle install ,you can go net install with chroot, or you can go deboostrap all the way.
    Second reason is oh wait i have a dozen second reason list :). It doesn't not mean I despise any linux distro other then debian or even windows. Take care mate

  • @unclefester9113
    @unclefester9113 Рік тому +1

    Its a 'hook" to get you interested.... Its good marketing. I have to exercise some self control not to try everything. These days - I only install mainline larger ISO's on hard drives - and reserve Virtualization for testing out other smaller or beta versions. Saves alot of wasted time.

  • @VektrumSimulacrum
    @VektrumSimulacrum Рік тому +2

    After I installed Zorin on my main work station laptop I tried arch distros and whatever on the second laptop I had laying around. (might as well, just sitting in the closet otherwise) I couldn't find much incentive to keep an arch flavor on it...for me. I keep saying I don't like GNOME DE but both the distros I ended up keeping an iso for...use gnome by default.😅 Zorin and Pop OS both come with 95% of what I would want to install in an arch distro anyways. It's not that Arch was hard, but why make myself install and tweak stuff when two distros already hand me nearly everything on a silver platter.🤷

  • @fumn-fw2ud
    @fumn-fw2ud Рік тому +3

    Glibc is hard (and full of security exploits) Musl is easy as switching to Void Linux.

  • @MC-hammered
    @MC-hammered Рік тому +1

    Linux on the desktop is for tinkers.

  • @poppetx
    @poppetx 2 місяці тому

    I absolutely love your videos and you're an absolute linux god compared to me, but I do kinda disagree with "Arch Linux is not for you" in response to "I'm not an IT professional"
    I'm not either, I'm just someone who "likes computers" (for lack of a better phrase). However I've quite enjoyed setting up and using my Arch Linux, and I think if you're enjoying something, and using your computer becomes more fun because of said something, then you have just as much place using it as an IT professional.

  • @Bruces-Eclectic-World
    @Bruces-Eclectic-World Рік тому +1

    Good video there KTW! So proud of you, you didn't go off on a Garuda tangent to far... 🤣
    I did not get the point of his video as he was bouncing around even though it was about Arch or not Arch ish.
    I quit watching his content a long time ago. He's a teacher? That explains it... Book learning smart... I have to say if you want arch, go with EndeavourOS to get a awesome install of Xfce or hell the Arch installer is not to bad for a bare install.
    I use EzArcher BTW..... 🤣🤪😆
    Thanks KTW!
    Hay what do you get when you put KTW & BEW together?
    Two guys that know how to install EzArcher and fix breaks on a car... 🤣😆😛
    LLAP 🖖

  • @karlio3368
    @karlio3368 Рік тому +1

    That's why I settled on Tumbleweed.

  • @h.s3187
    @h.s3187 Рік тому

    I think arch it isnt convenient for an end user but the forks of arch like endeavour , manjaro , garuda and big linux . For ahure they have point in the end user experience and not an user centric view like original arch.

  • @keyboard_g
    @keyboard_g Рік тому

    The whole video was meant to talk about Endeavor OS and then built a really bad premise around it.

  • @overclucker
    @overclucker Рік тому

    Slayed

  • @EasyGameEh
    @EasyGameEh Рік тому

    choosing linux distro is like being a buridan's ass choosing from two equal haystacks and dying from hanger.
    fun fact - the harder the choise the smaller the cost of choosing wrong.

  • @bertnijhof5413
    @bertnijhof5413 2 місяці тому

    In every community there are masochists.

  • @keyboard_g
    @keyboard_g Рік тому +1

    I like IG, he seems like a nice guy. No drama. But his video topics are so shallow. Trying to make a discussion about nothing.

  • @herrpez
    @herrpez Рік тому +1

    So you give the guy a hard time for not going to the distro watch page... but you yourself go to the distro watch list of Arch distros and immediately go "not that, not that." What exactly is the value in the list if you're just arbitrarily going to pick and choose what you deem to be correct?
    Also, time for some hair splitting. Manjaro is definitely an Arch *based* distro. But it's not an Arch distro. The semantics sheriff is in town. ;)

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому +1

      Do you even listen lmao. i said he more than likely did go to distrowatch and that you should never relay on distrowatch for the correct information, as i showed it's not alway correct and i showed how you could get a list of arch based distros from distrowatch, but again you should research the distro.
      I like how you are saying that the manjaro devs are lying about their own distro and you know better wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro:A_Different_Kind_of_Beast
      I think you need to take your selective hearing and listen to some my little pony or something. you are talking out of your ass lmao

    • @herrpez
      @herrpez Рік тому

      @@KentsTechWorld Hey, buddy. No need to be so hostile. To answer your question: Yes, I do listen, and then I comment. I will assume you're being flippant, but I might as well answer you politely anyway. There's really no grounds for bad blood between us.
      As for the other matter, here's a quote directly from the link you sent: "Although Manjaro is Arch-based and Arch compatible, it is not Arch."
      It's the first sentence, you can probably find it, and I'll refrain from further flippant remarks myself. I think we've both had our fill by now.

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому

      @@herrpez So it's not arch right :P
      and you did not listen, or you would not have talked the way you do as that first part of your comment only make sense if you did not listen.
      And as i told you before and i said in the video. Distrowatch is at best a guide, you should never take what they site say as fact's and do your own research.
      So when i am saying not that one, i have done the research, and looked at the way those distros are being made and at their code, so i can say they are not arch or only part arch and so on.
      so you saying what you said made no sense as i explained why i did what a i did in the video, but you made it in to be something else, So misrepresenting the video at worst, or did not watch at best ;)
      So you did not do your research

    • @herrpez
      @herrpez Рік тому

      @@KentsTechWorld Correct, it's not Arch, and I explicitly said it wasn't. But it's still Arch *based*. You can choose to ignore words, but you don't need to lie about it, that's just silly.

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому

      @@herrpez then we agree it should not have been talked about in the video, as he was going for a arch distro, not arch based

  • @Willibef
    @Willibef Рік тому +1

    I wonder if you're able to express your opinion without obscenities, for once?

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому +4

      Fuck no lmao
      You should read this just to piss you off more
      "Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists"
      www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists

    • @Willibef
      @Willibef Рік тому

      @@KentsTechWorld Pissed off? Hah. I think it would enhance your argument.

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому

      @@Willibef read the study and then we can talk

    • @Willibef
      @Willibef Рік тому

      @@KentsTechWorld You need a study to interpret a habit? It's far from complicated, it's a matter of choice.

    • @KentsTechWorld
      @KentsTechWorld  Рік тому +1

      @@Willibef Don't you know i am fucking with you lol.
      I find it funny that a random person i don't know or know me, have the need to tell me what to do and not to do ;)
      It's really simple, you don't like what i do, then walk :)

  • @karlio3368
    @karlio3368 Рік тому

    I've watched other videos from this guy. None of it helped me.