Linux Distros I CAN'T Stand!
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
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Chapters:
0:00 Criteria/Disclaimers
1:06 Opt Out Telemetry
6:02 Failure/Slow to Deliver Updates
9:25 Libre-Only Linux
11:43 Frankenstein Linux
15:05 One Man Shows
17:38 So What Distro??? - Наука та технологія
A few comments are being removed by UA-cam! Don't know what I expected. Most Linux videos just preach to the choir if we're being honest and I'm never doing something about this ever again until something catastrophic happens.
I would suggest the problem is youtube administration, less likely to be some sort of conspiracy politics. Check - Did Steve Bannon make any of those posts? Did they mention Jewish Space lasers? Software by Hugo Chavez?
Don't bail out after 2 days - have a closer look in a week.
If you had a million + followers, like Linus tech, then maybe. You have 441 subscribers, at the time of writing. I have about 40. I would suggest we're way too small to matter. It's just youtube being clumsy, that's all.
I think your claims on SteamOS are personally stupid because SteamOS is a console and needs your authentication to verify your games belong to you, also SteamOS isn’t a desktop OS it’s made specifically for the steam deck
@@thatoneocto what authentication? Logging in to steam? You can load non steam games with any authentication...
*without
@@squidbeard492 I mean...it doesn't really looks like an actual computer OS. It reminds me more of downloading PlayStation or Xbox OS but onto your computer. If you want to download your own stuff like you would do on any other OS if feel like you're misinterpreting Its purpose...
I would think of steam OS more like a console’s operating system, more like having Xbox let you download their OS
Well, that's cause it was one of the main targets of valve, making a console that can be used by random people that barely even know what an os it, and guess what is friendly for them? yes, a simple login screen to then get access to the shit in their accounts. And it makes such a big point about how the deck is flawed cause of the os when you can just install another os on it (and yes, you can do it just fine without even logging in, just hold down the volume down button while booting it up, no idea why he had to blatably lie about it). But hey that's the loud minority of linux users that have to shit on everyone and each other for the sake of "my choice is better than yours".
Yeah, people who care know how to install Linux, people who don't care won't care about logging in.
Also: you need a steam account to even buy a steamdeck
That's exactly what it is. The deck's purpose is not to be a portable PC; that's a side effect. Instead it's to get console gamers to come over to PC (and to do it via Linux). Most consoles these days are locked down PCs with exclusives. Valve wants to change that and at the same time, it wants to prevent MS from gaining a monopoly on PC games through alternatives to Steam, Epic launcher, etc
And this is why, despite using Arch on all my laptops and desktops, I still bought a SteamDeck. It's not like Valve doesn't collect analytics and tracking every time you open Steam anyway. The only thing I'd be curious about is after you login to Steam and switch to Desktop mode, when Steam is closed, are there any packages that are still collecting information in the core of the OS?
Steam Deck is a gaming device, I don't think it would make much sense to compare it to personal computers you use for everyday work. I mean the data they can collect is pretty limited since you use it only for gaming.
It has a desktop mode fully capable. I don't know how many ppl will actually use it, but you may.
At the very least your cc could be linked to your steam account.
Your even "only" gaming activities can tell so much about you, your life, your work, your family etc. Telemetry utself is not something evil, nor a good - it's just a software instrument. One of many. But anything that keep continue telemetry on you even after telling it "NO" Is a direct threat to your life - that's how you should react tp it correctly.
As soon as I get one I'm reinstalling it with arch gnome or something
@@user-cq5sn5hq4m They're an online game shop. It would be really dumb as a company, especially one like Valve, to not take some amount of data to know what players like or don't in order to adjust your sales. The customer is important, sure but I'm pretty sure that most of what we have today wouldn't exist if all the customer's needs were fulfilled(because they're a lot of times in opposition with the company's). Compromises are a thing and it just depends how much you are willing to give. Wanting a 100% of the pie just isn't possible in our current system.
The thing about the steamdeck is part missing the point and part blatant misinformation.
Let's start with the misinformation, a minute long online search would show you it is possible to access the bios, boot from a USB device and install any os you want on the thing without ever entering your credentials or enabling developer mode.
Also, the device isn't aiming to be a portable pc geared towards the Linux enthusiast, that's just a side effect. The device is a portable game console aimed towards steam users that can become a PC if you're so inclined. Those are different things with different requirements. What is a steam console without a seamless integration with your steam account?
That and to even buy one atm you have to log in to steam and buy it through your account. That allows tracking also. You can't pick and choose, either you want to avoid all tracking or you don't.
@@Firecul opt out telemetry is everywhere avoiding it is like avoiding seeing the light of the sun outside your house if you used qubes os (world safest os) your data will still be sold idc about my data as long as they give me good os and experience i use linux because of performens and customization and stablity, security isnt that of an issue use a vpn you wont get doxxed or tracked easily or use tor or a proxy or use a well known anti virus
@@Firecul in that case use cash, otherwise there is always a trail.
@@Firecul >has internet connection
>thinks it avoids tracking
The fact a thing has IP or mac address means you are being tracked.
Steam deck telemetry is also steam telemetry. I guess the guy has steam installed, given he considered buying steamdeck?
> buys steam deck to play steam games
> requires steam account
wow you really got them there
I like the "enjoy the simplicity" headline over the article about the user having to manually set the local time to get updates
"oH No wHaT iF an uPdATe bReAKs SomEtHinG" is the kind of line you could expect from someone whose only use case for their computer is trying to get Arch to run.
There's people out there who use their computers for shit you wouldn't want breaking on you
On which, Debian is good.
Yeah, but you could alse use OpenSUSE Leap and Ubuntu LTS for stability with a little modern life, or just OpenSUSE Leap if you don't like Ubuntu. Alternative would be Redhat semi-clones: CentOS, AlmaLinux, and Rocky, which relies on point-release for security updates.
exactly
Your SteamOS approach is fallible, because installing Steam on any other distribution effectively turns it into SteamOS, and valve can monitor you there just as they do on original SteamOS. So, unless you plan on playing SuperTuxKart indefinitely, Steam is likely to be installed on your computer.
Having Steam on your computer is not remotely the same as Valve creating your operating system. Valve does sell personal information and this is better mitigated by not using a platformed owned by Valve. It still doesn't change the fact Valve refuses to let users change anything about the root filesystem, opposed to Fedora Silverblue, SUSE's MicroOS, or NixOS, users can make such changes with some concerted effort.
@@Trafotin They kinda had to do it this way. I mean it's not a device targeted towards Linux enthusiasts. They don't want kids to constantly break the OS. And Steam Deck is the biggest step towards making Linux mainstream ever. I don't get your take on this
Just create your own SteamOS. Install Arch and make steam start in BigPicture mode instead of starting up a desktop environment
@@TheB3n0 Genuinely asking, what's the reason you want Linux to go mainstream?
This is relevant because my reason is I don't want for everyone to be dependent on only a handful of companies, to have their data harvested by billionaires and bombarded by ads and so on. So it's not sufficient that they're simply using the Linux kernel behind their computer use, it's also necessary that they're not running stuff like Steam, Google Chrome, Adobe products and whatever else.
I'm asking because I want to understand the people who say "Steam Deck is good for mainstream Linux adoption", why exactly do you want THIS mainstream Linux adoption?
@@Trafotin (remaking this bc links got my comment deleted)
Valve does not sell your data, they do share with partners tho (see steam's privacy policy)
You can change the root filesystem, with developer mode (See 'Steam Deck Development Live Stream' on 'Steamworks Development' YT Channel from 'Nov 12, 2021)
You can install another OS without an account, just hold Vol. Down + Power on boot and you'll be sent to the UEFI BIOS, where you can boot any USB installer (See 'How to Install Windows on Steam Deck' guide from tom's Hardware)
Fedora has an uncool name and logo, lizards on the other hand are epic, so everyone should use openSUSE instead.
I want to learn more about the lizard...
@@Trafotin Apparently it's name is Geeko, couldn't find much more lore than that.
I think the Fedora logo is pretty cool, but I agree the name kinda sucks and unfortunately that actually matters to many people
But it has SUS in its name...
@@t0uchme343 - anime avatar
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Lmao this has to be a troll, you knock Debian for being older and then suggest Fedora, one of the buggiest most duct taped together distro out there
"Fedora, one of the buggiest most duct taped together distro out there"
How/why?
@@folksurvival one word... dnf
@@ps5hasnogames55 and after a year we have the new dnf5.
Please adjust the threshold on your noise gate so it’s not as sensitive, it’s extremely jarring when the audio cuts out instantly after you finish speaking in between words. The video and topic were great though!
agreed
... using a VTuber is weird
I think arch can be benifitial to certain types of new users (I myself was a new user when I first installed arch). the main requirement with arch is more a willing to learn and do research as opposed to having existing experience.
Same here. Arch is a bitch, but a very informative bitch.
Nah, with Arch you just follow instructions. You still learn something, but you mainly just follow instructions. If you want to truly learn you have to start tinkering.
@@wheezybackports6444 the time-tested technique for learning programming is to copy other people's code, verbatim, by hand. That's exactly what you're doing when you "just follow instructions", unless you copy+paste everything like a cuck.
@@wheezybackports6444 But at least Arch Wiki can push you to tinker more. Everything must start at some point anyway. When learning stuffs, you need to observe (seeing videos), then imitate (follow instructions), then learn and reflect (understand what happens).
Dont assume most people have that spare time, when I was a student I didn't use arch because I needed to do research on my computer not research my computer. For most people tech is a means to and end, not and means to a means to a means to a rabbit hole
Not every telemetry is bad. I will gladly let developers see my crash logs etc.
True. But the important thing here is that the choice to let them do it must *always* be up to the user. The user must have all the power whether they choose to participate in all Telemetry or just when the app/OS crashes, etc. Basically, only the ones that the user allows.
Telemetry is different when user provided as you describe. The difference is when it is done without explicit permission and off by default. Windows and Apple went down the same slippery slope many distros that implement telemetry go down.
@@Trafotin hence why windows and macOS are actually usable while linux still fails in basic areas
@@ps5hasnogames55 even the telemetry collecting ones. So why even collect telemetry ?
@@Trafotin haha, you must be living in parallel reality or something. As long as there 78923467823478 versions of linux, there are only two OS that matter: Windows and MacOS. get real:D
ALL "distros" have their good and bad points. I've been in Unix/Linux/Xenix for almost thirty years. I've run many different versions and did extensive development on SCO and AT&T platforms. Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I settled on using Linux Mint as my desktop and I've had no regrets. Actually, Mint has a very easy to use desktop and I can do just about anything on Mint that I was able to do on Windows. I used to use Fedora but I do NOT like what they've done to the desktop. Desktops should be user friendly and Fedora no long is in this category. As I said before, everyone has their likes and dislikes, so, use what is comfortable for you. Linux Mint is probably one of the best for new users and I always steer people who are interested in Linux to Linux Mint.
I had no issue using fedora except for my hardware which was a random windows tablet. It even has or had cinnamon DE as a spin. That's what mint has as its default. Dunno. I personally like plasma and xfce with a little customization. Cinnamon is good too. And they all run on debian.
Did you do any work on DANOS? What do you think of ATT switching out cisco for black box routers.
As a professional Linux trainer, book author and contributor to the Linux Professional Institute, I have a word of advice for you. Spend less time spreading half-digested information. Do spend more time actually learning about Linux. Especially what's behind Enterprise Linux, Long Term Support, low risk updates, release cycles etc.
Yeah he talks about desktop distros not having an excuse. Stability isn’t a excuse apparently.
@@guy_w_opinions Folks who begin Linux in 1999 might even find it useful.
Thank you @nikikovacs1923 I literally can't stand this cartoonish manga fem boy vampore what ever persona talking bs about linux. And it constantly apears in my youtube feed.
I'm sure he knows aspects linux you don't because of your narrow focus. He has great advice on desktop security. What is your experience doing video editing on linux? There are many use cases s outside of a enterprise servers.
If it takes THIS MUCH TIME maybe it's not worth spedning it at all
I guess the biggest weakness of Linux isn't hardware support/compatibility, nor software availability. It is not the lack of features or power. It is not the lack of money/marketing/branding, nor computers on which the system comes preinstalled. It is not fragmentation, nor having too many options. It is hubris. Conceit, arrogance and elitism in our community (both among developers and users) are, sadly, still pretty strong.
No. On Desktop, the issue IS not having crucial Software available in tue Platform.
I fucking hate the elitism. Not to brag, but I'm a real developer that loves hacking around on their system. I read source code all the time and I like to make my own tools. I've played with most UNIX-like systems for pure enjoyment and have made my own Linux distribution from total scratch before. There is one thing though that I understand. I'm no expert and I used to not know a lick. I used to think putting Ubuntu Linux on my computer could break it. Luckily though it didn't. The first command I knew and knew how to use was "sudo apt-get install". I only started learning about the wonderful world of UNIX after I installed virtual box and seen the lists of operating systems you could make a virtual machine for. I seen FreeBSD, Solaris, OpenBSD, DOS, OS/2, and Netware. I couldn't describe to you how exciting that was. I felt like I discovered the next element to add to the periodic table. I looked up all these operating systems one by one and spent hours reading about them. I then spent hours going down the rabbit hole of their history along with UNIX history specifically. Every since that day I've been improving my skills and learning more everyday for the past 6 years. It took a lot of work to get where I'm at and there's no shame in admitting I used to be stupid not knowing a damn thing. I don't get why people need to feel like they're the shit because they installed DWM and made it look pretty. If all you do is spend hours making your system look pretty, so you can boast on reddit you aren't learning a single fucking thing. You become stuck in this loop of following the trend and becoming mindless. Elitists aren't just pushing people away they're also hurting themselves in the process.
Man woke up an decided to spit out fax
I actually have a counter to your "muh elitism bad" statement
here:
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The elitism is basically why people are being scared away from Linux and have no choice but to stay on Windows or Mac OS. "HURR DURR IF YOU DON'T USE ARCH OR INSTALL GENTOO AS A FIRST DISTRO YOUR A NOOB! GO BACK TO WINDOWS!" Seriously, let people use whatever they want. Don't fix something that isn't broken. (Manjaro is an exception, unfortunately.) It it just works, then it works.
I will never understand why so many Linux users can be so paranoic about privacy in their OS, but will still have personal accounts on social media owned by giant corporations, such as UA-cam.
It's because OS can know literally everything about you, it knows what programs you have installed, when you're going AFK, what you're typing etc. We need to use social media because of others using it too. I need to have facebook account to be able to communicate with friends and youtube is the only way to reach other people to tell them about privacy and possible alternate to YT like odysee. It's just monopoly of big tech and people don't really bother about it.
I understand the concern because I can isolate UA-cam and control what YT knows about me but my OS is something more sensible than an online account in a container in another browser than the one for my daily usage. But this is why I use open-source OS. Telemetry is important for software development, to understand how the user tried to interact and how successful they were as well as to detect bugs. Anonymized telemetry as opt-in is a great thing. That's why open-source is so important. On closed-source, you are limited to proof what the OS does.
Me, too.
@@mzpl7357 so does social medias.
@@demarkz which doesn't mean i want MS to know even more about me, especially when it's OS and not a website.
You have made many good points here. My one quibble is that though quite easy to install and use, Fedora is not just for beginners. Torvalds uses Fedora, and so do I. I'm an ancient Linux user (Linux PPC was my first distro, I was a Unix/Minix guy before that). Many of us ancients are more than able to install and use Arch, mostly because that was the way all Linux distros were once upon a time, but frankly prefer to spend our time using a distro rather than fiddling with it. All that aside, your recommendations are sound and your reasoning solid.. Keep up the good work!
Arch user hates other distros and loves only Arch
What a surprise
Ah thanks for saving my time
He also likes Fedora and OpenSuse
I'm an Arch (ArcoLinux) user, and I don't hate any other distro. I think most distros are fine to use. It really depends on what you want your OS to do at the end of the day, and bashing people for that little bit of freedom is just plain dumb.
@@skelebro9999No no freedoms are important. But shaming people over it seems excessive as it's there freedom to use any OS.
This is not true in all cases. I have three machines. I also use Arch, Debian and Fedora. Each is good in its own way. The base distros are good, it doesn't matter which one you use.
About the Steam Deck: One thing I tried on a buddy’s system is, is that you CAN indeed UEFI boot any OS on the deck like a standard UEFI PC by holding power and vol-down on power up. I tried my “Windows USB SDD” that I use for a couple things that WINE can’t handle, and it just booted in like a regular PC. You could just use base Arch on a Deck if one really wanted to as long as you have keyboard and mouse.
when it comes to steamOS,it's more comparable to a console OS than a PC OS like arch.
not to say it's a good excuse,but for people used to consoles,the freedom of something like steamOS,is amazing.
i wouldn't recommend steamOS for most users,but for its console UI and optimizations (it has some extra stuff in it too,and it's hard to replicate without breaking another one of your rules with nobra,doing alot of set-up or using arch),it's fairly hard to replace.
ArcoLinux only has a couple pre-compiled packages from the AUR and you can remove the custom repos. 99.9% of the software comes from vanilla Arch.
I am surprised void isn't mentioned at all. Without keeping up with any news and such I was under the impression it was becoming more and more popular. Which categories do you think it would fit in the most from the ones you described? perhaps the arco one right?
I've been using Void for a solid year now. No problems whatsoever. Rock solid, constant updates and XBPS is robust, fast and great in general. It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection.
No Systemd though, had a rough time at first but then I got used to workarounds. It is mainteined by a small team of contibuitors too, this guy like doesn't seem to like that concept.
@@moister3727 This guy is one of those r/unixporn retards that thinks they understand a Linux system because they can install i3 or DWM. That's exactly who this guy is.
Also void is cool btw.
@@moister3727 " It's not AUR levels of packages but it's a robust selection."
It's better IMO because they have everything I've ever needed in their main repo so there's no need for something like the AUR or AUR helpers.
@@folksurvival Yeah, but still. Most of the things I want but can't find in the packages page, I just compile it from the main repo (like Discord or Spotify).
The AUR is really overwhealming to me at times.
I use Linux Mint myself and have no intention of moving away from it anytime soon. It being a fork of Ubuntu and Debian really doesn't affect its stability or user experience. Performance is great and I've had no issues. Whereas there are people who have used Fedora and have had issues. Not saying Fedora is bad but being a not forked distro doesn't mean its immune to having issues. I myself have an older Nvidia Card which has issues with Wayland which Fedora enables by default.
Interesting take. That’s the great thing about Linux - different strokes for different folks. I disagree with most of your points but I’ll highlight only one here: Debian being slow because “muh stability.” You listed Debian as being slow to implement security updates (in your write-up on the screen) but used a memory leak and an outdated office suite (LibreOffice) as examples. I wasn’t aware of the memory leak but if that happened, it’s not a security issue. It just means the system used more RAM than necessary. As for outdated office suites, that’s because Debian focuses on stability over features.
Your entire argument against Debian is their lack of cutting edge software support but that’s their entire business model. Stability over features. It’s like saying the problem with two door sedans is they are missing two more doors. Well, that’s their design choice. That’s the business model. If you wanted four doors, you should have bought those cars. In this case, if you want features over stability, go with an Arch or Fedora based OS. If you want a rock-solid OS with 0 maintenance required (*cough cough* Arch), go with Debian.
Would you recommend Devuan? It's a fork (I know, I know) of Debian but it doesn't use SystemD and the website gives options for either SysVInit, s6, OpenRC and others. It's about 3-4 months behind Debian because the devs have to unpair packages with SystemD dependencies and then work them in. Personally I like it as I've been testing it in a VM and all of the software I want works just as it would on any other distro I've tried, as well as it essentially giving me full control over my PC.
Thanks.
@@bingusbongus1656 Hey there, thanks for the question. My take on Devuan is it’s primarily catered towards people not wanting to use systemd. Which is fine. But I tend to stick with the most upstream distros I can. Vanilla Debian on my main production machine, Ubuntu / Kubuntu on my laptop (I have specific use-cases for both), and Arch on my test rig.
The Debian Security Team is phenomenal so even though packages may be out of date, Debian always fast-tracks security updates. How else would they have enterprise clients if they were lazy on the opsec? Debian is one of the most popular server operating systems, servers that host far more critical information than most of us on our home PCs.
I’m not sure how solid Devuan is in implementing the security patches developed by the Debian Security Team, both in speed and also quality / correctly applying them. They may be great (or even develop their own patches) but I have no info either way. That’s my only concern. Happy to continue the discussion if you have further questions or want to chat on the topic. Thanks again for reaching out.
@@bingusbongus1656 devuan is a useless protest distro. either way i find it interesting this vtuber says "debian bad because old software versions1!1!1" but then praises the red hat family when rhel is exactly the same as debian - ancient package versions *because* they are tested and stable.
@@ps5hasnogames55 I don't like it out of protest but rather mistrust of giant corporations not to turn over my data. My logic is SystemD is made and maintained by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM which likely collects data and turns it over to advertising agencies and Federal agencies when they detect Corporate wrongthink. You can call me far fetched all you want, this is just pattern recognition for me.
But yeah, key word you mentioned is "vtuber".
@@bingusbongus1656 (edit: he deleted his comment LMAOOOO) you're dumb if you think systemd secretly collects data on you. it's open source. and while it was started by red hat, it's not like red hat are the only contributors to it. in fact samsung and intel have made major contributions to it, as have many debian developers. on top of that, systemd also has no contributor licence agreement, so red hat actually does not "own" systemd - in fact no one does. compare this to canonical's upstart init system which canonical were basically the only contributors to, and which required a CLA therefore canonical fully owned it (hence why debian switched to systemd even though upstart was considered).
OK you obviously have a lot of OCD style opinions , but most are not based in reality. This sounds like a conspiracy theorists rant, or a I hate vent.
Some of these takes are really incoherent. So he admits that Debian is fine for Servers, but Desktop users need their security fixes instantly? Why would a individual user need faster security than a server, which is at much higher risk?
Maybe the point would have gotten across better, if the segment kept talking about security instead of derailing into Features.
and he uses the same flawed reason all other rolling release fant##ds use - that debian's packages have lower numbers therefore its insecure, when in reality, debian has one of the most proactive security teams out there and backports fixes to its software very quickly.
Debian has ok security for base packages, so it's ok for servers. OTOH desktop packages like browser are often outdated, which makes clients vulnerable.
alright what do you think of KDE neon? KDE's official "distro but not really a distro" thing
I have fedora 36 beta on my second laptop, and I was messing around with Desktop enviroments, where I wanted to run an animated background on BSPWM. So, I'll install mpv, and set it up to run as a background, right? Wrong, first add the repository for mpv because fedora for some reason doesn't have it in the default repos like everyone else.
I’m currently using arch/windows dual boot and it’s working well enough but I’m actually considering a switch to Fedora Silverblue or Kinoite (let’s see how plasma 6 turns out) as my one sole OS. Im sure if an update breaks my Arch install I can figure out how to fix it, but I’m not 100% positive I would have the patience to do it if it were to happen at a particularly busy point in my life. I like the idea of an immutable OS, and just want a single install I can keep on my laptop indefinitely without worrying about breakage. What’s your opinion on immutable distros?
Try NixOS and openSUSE Micro OS. NixOS is not an immutable distro, but it solved your issue about breakage.
For telemetry, you can end up trusting it if their telemetry code is open source and you can guarantee what they're doing with your data, but eh, reading that code must be worse than reading an entire TOS lol
That's what people do for popular open source project tho. There has to be that guy or we're screwed.
@@whannabi tru
Diving into Arch is a great learning experience if you have the time and patience. I like Fedora, but Gnome is the only officially supported desktop. The other desktops are spins. I tried KDE on Fedora some time ago and there were some issues.
Arch is my goto distro. I'm only considering redhat and kali for work and security experience.
Ubuntu isn't much easier to learn than Arch, and far less well documented. Linux Mint is even nicer, but cant compare to having the AUR.
Building SDL libraries for gnu/gcc on anything but arch is a pain in the testicles.
I use fedora KDE and have no issues, are you sure its only with KDE?
@@ShimmerismYT I had issues with the KDE spin on Fedora 38, too. after hours of using the computer, the panels just freeze, though everything else works. it was especially annoying that the time on the panel was frozen, and I thought it was two hours earlier than the time actually was.
Wow this discussions about Linux is honesty one of the best I listened to :) subscribed
Good stuff
Just remember, not every Linux user is thís pessimistic about the topics discussed in this podcast. It's over the top, some of it even untrue and fear mongering.
i love how you criticise debian as being "slow with security updates" and point to chromium as your shining example, ignoring the fact 1) your favourite distro, fedora, had the exact same trouble with outdated chromium until just recently [the reality is that chromium is annoying to maintain], and 2) debian's security team otherwise has had a near perfect track record of getting security updates out in a timely fashion. there's a reason debian is used on servers so much. this is just yet another cringe fedora advertisment that carefully steps around mentioning that fedora is red hat's unstable technology playground so you get to beta test all their toys before they sell them in red hat enterprise linux to evil megacorps and the exact same governments and militaries that you fear spy on you. red hat aren't the good guys you want to believe they are. need i remind you of what they did to centos?
Regarding the security, Fedora has a policy of shipping only FOSS in their official repos. Secondly , as it is one of the mainstream distros, the open source software that it ships would most likely be thoroughly vetted by the community to find if there are things such as spyware in it.
They... moved it to a slightly different part of the stream? I don't really get a lot of your points here. Every distribution that has an LTS and a more updated version (whether it be Ubuntu LTS vs the 6th monthly Ubuntu, or openSUSE Leap vs openSUSE Tumbleweed for the stable/rolling model) is the same. In the case of RHEL/CentOS/Fedora they just use different branding and naming for the different parts of the stream.
You can dislike Red Hat (and IBM) for logical reasons, but the OS ending up in corporate servers is just weird. Shall we all hate the Linux kernel because it is in RedStarOS machines in the DPRK? It just seems there are far more sane criticisms to make than the ones you chose.
@@rishirajsaikia1323 are you replying to the right comment? absolutely nowhere did i talk about proprietary software or spyware (which, btw, proprietary software is not allowed out of the box in debian either, and debian is much larger than fedora so there are more eyes looking for spyware in debian than fedora will ever have).
@@cakeisamadeupdrug6134 found another red hat employee. notice how your comment is full of non sequiturs. i never said i disliked red hat because its OS is used by megacorps and militairies, in fact i never said i disliked red hat at all. i pointed out that the point of fedora is that you do their bug hunting work for free, and red hat won't even let you benefit from that work because centos is now a perpetual beta instead of a stable, dependable platform. don't try and tell me you can get 16 rhel licences for free; there was no excuse for what they did to centos (which you can run on way more than 16 computers for free), other than that it was a business move - and one that cost them quite a bit of their reputation. is it just a coincidence that fedora suddenly has all this wave of promotion here on youtube in the last few months with everyone singing its praises even by people who used to be quite critical of it? i'm not saying there's money being exchanged behind the scenes to promote red hat's goodwill again buuut it wouldn't surprise me ;)
@Watcher Redhats been in the spotlight since the late 90s, sorry bub...
I enjoyed this video! Crazy that you only have 700 subs.
I use Arco and I think your criticism is valid. TBH, I'll probably just use plain arch next re-install.
ATM, I do look at the package builds in the AUR and read each command to try and understand how the install process works, but can you let me know on anything in particular to look out for in AUR builds?
Also, even if you do vet an AUR package, couldn't the next update contain something malicious, meaning you have to self audit each AUR update as well?
I didn't really understand all criticism behind Debian
1) When user installing all types of packges in debian distros, thats not really a system problem?
If you do care about this..you can just dont...
2) What type of problem in old packages?
The main point of debian to be stable
Complaining about distribution that mainly aims to be stable is werid?
And you can just use Sid branch and get a rolling release
3) Debian have like the biggest package base and community
The majority use debian based distributions
Even though fedora in many aspects much better, its not even close to have All debian stuff and support
And not to mention debian support a huge amount of hardware and architecture support
Im not trying to say that its the best. Its not
But all the complains in the video kinda unfair :p
It's fine for servers, for desktop is terrible, the packages get dated so fast it's unbelievable! Then you have to hunt and use the inefficient flatpacks, just to get a barely usable desktop! You may say so what if the packages are old but some of us need the new security updates and the new features and Debian is terrible fot that!
I was given an old Latitude E6400. I put Zorin 15.3 on it and opted out of the telemetry. After starting the process of learning BASH, I then upgraded to 16.1. I've never had any problems. Thanks for your understanding.
Thank you for this video, it was very helpful. A few months ago I got the idea to switch to Linux, but there were so many distros to pick from that I got intimidated. I chose Fedora, and it's been a very solid experience.
Fedora isn't evil at this point? Isn't better to go with Nobara for a first time Linux user now?
Alternative title : VTuber2022 clashes Linux Nerds over The Distro dilema. (featuring OpenSUSE TumbleWeeb)
Seriously I loved the Rant without necessarily agreeing over all that was discussed.. distros serve complementary objectives and shares their lessons when ppl test them out.
- One man distros are neat experimental platforms and help to decide where to go in a transitional phase, there is a lot of inspiring stuff going on
(I think puppy linux was a one man project and it became very mature)
- FULLY Libre distros are the deprecated crown-jewel and the real hope of a successful computing future.. seeing how poorly they run on modern hardware is alarming.
The political pressure that could force manufacturers to give support to those Libre distros is lacking partially because the deceptive "open-source" movement is winning in its trojan horse approach.
- non rolling releases distros become better choices when the internet connexion is bad or you're on the move and work offline for extended periods of time.
-telemetry/spyingOS have no excuses.. they are here to reminds everyone what the "open-source" corrupting agenda is really about
Aside from steam deck, I agree with almost all the points you've said in this video.
DNF on fedora is a pain though, have been using fedora since F32, and dnf is one of the most frustrating things I've had to deal with.
If I may ask, what about dnf is a pain(asking as someone who has never used a RHEL distro)?
@@PPKNexus it is excruciatingly slow at times. not while downloading the packages, but while updating the local repo caches, and "determining fastest host"
thanks, this is a great video, too bad everyone always forget to mention that not everyone can afford to update every other day.
I can only update once a month, if I get the chance.
-desktop debian user
Fedora with cinnamon it is.
Mint treated me pretty well, I am currently have PopOS which is OK. That said the disk encruyption failed and I had to hit one of the F keys to wipe the issue and start over.
At some point I'll swap distros
If I get thru my book on Linux commands then tumbleweed.
What's your view on running Debian testing/Sid tho? They update more often
debian testing and stable have newer software but they do not get support from debian's security team - only debian stable does (and despite what this dumb vtuber says, debian do not delay security updates. chromium is an exception because it's annoying to maintain since it requires custom google tools, and guess what, this guy's favourite distro - fedora - also had outdated chromium versions until just recently.)
Just found your channel. Love snarky (or maybe more fairly just quite direct) truth. Good stuff!
I really wanted openSuse to work, but must haves like icaclient, zoom and zfs are not via standard repos if at all, and the repos appear fragile.
So it is back to EndeavourOS(Arch) for me right now.
I might try Fedora at some point, but in a VM first I think…
How do you download the Nvidia drivers on Fedora? I notice on my laptop it is using the Intel integrated graphics instead of Nvidia.
Does Garuda Linux have the same problems as Manjaro with freezing updates? I'm thinking of using it because I have a gaming laptop.
Hi. What do you think of Solus? Would you recommend it?
The Debian part makes me think you don’t know what you’re talking about
yeah I was thinking the same thing
the last time i installed the debian, i ran a utility that checks for leaks or issues. I went through each and every one, and found that debian had incorporated the change to resolve the issues. As you can imagine, i believe Debian is very good!
Was the utility Lynis?
yes and also debsecan. but looking bask it seems that with the recent installment i have forgotten to turn it back on :(. I have a script that runs it on a monthly basis and prints out a report and have it deposited on my desktop and a notification.
I need to re-enable it :)
Good video though I don't agree with everything. I have been using Mint Mate for a long time, and it has never really had stability issues (it has been much more stable than e.g Kubuntu was when I tried it, but the Mint Mate version doesn't come with a bleeding edge Mate DE). Also unlike Ubuntu, it doesn't have whoopsie and it doesn't have snapd running in the background hogging all the resources. So I wouldn't write off Linux Mint completely, it's a great noob friendly distro IMO.
I put cinnamon mint on my wifes computer. She has been using it for years no problems. Her computer skill is she knows how to turn the computer on and her skills end there. I always recommend a mint version for newbies or peppermint os. Simple to use, light weight and most important just rock solid.
@@johnmal5975 What do you recommend for Surface Pro users (no Linux experience)?
@@johncalorino675 That can be a tough install. Which surface pro do you have? It's like a chromebook there are different work arounds depending on which one you have. Here is a link for a surface pro 3 install. ua-cam.com/video/6cbpr6U77u0/v-deo.html
Fedora: I AM NOT A KING, I AM NOT A GOD... I AM FEDORA LINUX THE BEST WORKSTATION.
There's so much misinformation in this video that I can't even fathom. Also, it's like I'm teleported to a different timeline version of 2016 and Leafy is a linux user lmfao
Care to point out the main ones? Im just curious since dont know much.
@@anonymousc2FtdWVs Where do I even start...
zorin-os-census package can be opted out during installation, for starters. It only sends pings to Zorin about daily active users, so that they know if they are growing their userbase, OEM partner batches, and OS version reports (which are used to notify users to upgrade if they are using old versions of Zorin, because it's not a rolling release).
Just because Manjaro "freezes" updates for 2 weeks, doesn't mean that your OS is vulnerable. Even if you don't download the latest security updates, it doesn't mean that they are not effective at what they are meant to do; in fact, they usually work long past their due date. Manjaro prides itself on being one of the most if not the most stable Arch based OS out there, but if there is a known vulnerability they will release the update before the 2 week mark where they test the stability.
Pretty much all of the SteamOS takes are Alex Jones tier of ridiculous. It's pure logic that when a manufacturer releases a new console, they NEED to collect necessary data so that they can mature the platform and further develop it for better user experience. Nobody in their right mind would buy the Steam Deck so that they can use it as a desktop (even though Valve offers that option, as a pure cherry on top) yet this was one of the bigger points that they had about Steam OS. Steam, the app, is proprietary, so if that's the problem, either don't buy the damn thing, or if you buy it, use it just for Steam. Simple.
Ubuntu is pretty much the same as Zorin. At first boot after installation, you will be greeted with the Ubuntu Welcome app, in which you can "opt out" (not sure if I would call this opting out, because, while the "send data to Canonical" is selected by default, you can select "No, do not send any data to Canonical" right there and then, at first boot, so you be the judge if this is "opt out" or not). The data that Canonical collects if you chose to send data to them is as follows:
Ubuntu version
OEM/Manufacturer
Device model number
BIOS info
CPU details
GPU details
Installed RAM
Partition Info
Display(s) details
Auto-login status
Live Patching status
Desktop environment
Display server
Timezone
No locale, no software info, no drivers, not even a username, and certainly not IP addresses or anything such as.
The Debian take co-relates to the Manjaro take. Just because they are slower than Arch in releasing security updates, does not mean that you are vulnerable at all, and, of course, if a known exploit is an issue, they will push the updates as soon as possible, which was even easier to find information on because Debian has been around for ages. Considering that this distro is one of the most popular distros, it is insane to think that the Debian team would compromise stability just to satisfy paranoid security fanatics who don't think that "outdated", meaning a version older, version of security firmware would satisfy.
The ArcoLinux take is pure insanity. The man who got an animation of an anime character looking around and gesturing is saying that the website, which is fully functional and packed with information looks like it's made in 2009, yet the man is using a window manager that is as barebones as you can get. Arco has its issues, but Erik has put his heart and soul into that distro and offers the biggest collection of desktop environments and window manager versions of Arco, bar none. Furthermore, if this "one man distro" (which is incorrect, but w/e, he's not the only developer) chooses to introduce a malicious code into the distro, guess what, LINUX IS OPEN SOURCE, and people would pick up on it.
There is so much more I could write, but it's 5AM lmao
Privacy, privacy, blah blah blah, and here we all are on googles youtube 🤦♂
Haha, you're true. PrivaWC.
Fedora is good because it holds onto old kernels. If you want to boot into an old BTRFS snapshot, only having the latest kernel available to you is not ideal. The only catch is you need to give your boot partition plenty of space to hold those kernels (assuming you are encrypting the root partition).
fedora only keeps 3 kernels.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Good to know. I had been playing around with MX, and the boot partition filled up on a VM. Thing already bugged out from other stuff, though.
Arco (and its huge list of products) aren't main stream? I dont use arco because I cant make anything from source (aur included)but that is because it is a one man show not because it is not main stream. Some of the arco projects and custom packages are essential for my and probably a lot of beginners in arch.
Hey, can I know which theming are you using for LibreOffice at 9:01? By default the application looks horrible and I haven't found any rice on the internet to copy, but what you showed looks amazing
The Arc GTK theme; it's available in most distros (Debian, Fedora, Arch), but not in SUSE.
@@Trafotin Thanks!
19:10 You said Fedora never gave you trouble with Nvidia drivers, do you mean the default Nouveau drivers or proprietary ones? Because I'd say installing the proprietary Nvidia drivers on Fedora is the only bump that new users might struggle to get through when using Fedora, it's not *hard* but also not super straight forward for a complete beginner.
From which repository you can install the driver without downgrading the system kernel as well?
@@daninogil rpm fusion, enable that then sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia
@@ps5hasnogames55 it was in beta akmod was enabled
@@daninogil if you're running the beta then that's your answer as to why it didn't work. rc kernels are often not supported by nvidia drivers.
As a relatively new Linux user, I really like this sassy and honest take about different distros.
Definitely guilty of running Manjaro as a daily driver hahaha.
I have been considering hopping onto Fedora, how dare you confirm my bias hahaha.
have fun beta testing all of red hat's "improvements" like wayland and pipewire (which still can't screenshare in discord lol) and having to use bloated flatpaks because nothing is packaged in rpm.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Fedora rawhide has the bleeding edge packages before it comes to Fedora. The packages gets thoroughly tested for almost 2 months by the Red Hat team before it is released. Tumbleweed is also somewhat tested. The only distro you are talking about beta testing would be arch Linux. Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes. So, your opinion is debunked !
@@rishirajsaikia1323 found the red hat employee. never talked about packages, i talked about technology (pipewire, wayland, systemd, polkit, selinux... all first adopted by fedora and all made or maintained by red hat). try again ;)
@@rishirajsaikia1323 "Moreover, only the first flatpak apps would download more data as they also download the runtimes but after that they use less data as they share runtimes" wasn't that the entire point of how installing software on Linux was meant to be to begin with, and what happens anyway if you just use the package manager version instead?
@@cakeisamadeupdrug6134 don't get me wrong I also prefer an application to be installed through the official repos. But if some one needs additional software not available in the repository or wants the latest stable release of the package, then they use flatpaks.
Arco Linux is pretty much arch with calamares. The arco Linux tweak tool allows you to disable any repo you want and tweak the system however you want. I agree that the website looks like Garbage, but it is meant to be used as a learning tool for arch, and at the end of the learning process it tells you to install arch.
Arco isn't officially maintained since years. Please switch to EndeavourOS which is developed by some of the Arco Linux devs.
@@alicethegrinsecatz1611 Not sure how true what you said is, but I will be switching to Arch linux at some point when I decide to wipe my ssd (so probably soon). I have had the best experience with arco out of all distros (fedora too) so
@@splatink That guy doesn't know what he's talking about, Arco's most recent release was earlier this month so its very well maintained and up to date.
@@leemanwrong Perhaps hes confusing Arco with Antergos? The latter was the one discontinued in favor of endeavour by some of its devs.
archlinuxgui is Arch with calamares.
This was a very informative video, as a person who's looking to get into Linux it did help me a lot in deciding which distro to use!!
Though the steam deck part is one i don't really agree with cause yes you might need to log in with a steam account, but you do need an account to order one in the first place, and to my knowledge there is a way to enable developer mode in the BIOS thus you don't have to log into SteamOS :0
as a madlad windows poweruser i jumped into arch couple of months ago as my daily driver without ever using linux... it was fun, and my friends can testify on how much swearing there was haha
12:12
If I install the repository of kali into debian, would I have a franken debian?
No you'd be smart
@@TheTemplaricKnight can you elaborate? XDD
@@alexcerzea kali is just debian with a skin it'd be better to build it and install the tools you need instead of having a very bloated linux os
Don't use the other distros, use what I like
"I have never experienced a single problem with nvidia driver on Fedora"
Heh, back in 2017, when I just started my transition from Windows to Linux, Fedora was the distro I chose. Man, I thought - what a gorgeous OS! It was so fast, and GNOME interface was absolutely mindblowing - everything about Fedora was, like, a polar opposite of windows (in a coolest way possible)! But I couldn't figure out how to install nvidia drivers. First I tried the default way - go to the site, and download drivers from there. Simple, right? Except no one told me that this way suck. Installing a .run file was stressful AF, and I couldn't log in to my system after an update. So instead of fixing stuff I just reinstalled the whole OS because that was just a lot easier, and then installed nvidia driver by using a command line, like all cool kids on Linux do!
...And then after a while I couldn't log in to my system after an update *again*. Never tried Fedora since then.
Currently Fedora is so smart, that if nvidia driver fails, it will fall back to nouveau. It has blown my mind when something went wrong while installing them, and it didn't break X11. It just said that it's going to use nouveau while booting. It won't install nvidia drivers for yourself, which sucks. But it will boot just fine even if you mess something up
Maintaining Nvidia drivers is such a pain in the ass. These days however it's much more better and you can get even GUIs to install Nvidia drivers with auto-detection. Things have improved over time.
I will note that Guix has the NonGuix channel which adds proprietary drivers to the operating system. They aren't officially supported, but seem to work well enough for the few drivers I'm missing.
I swiched from Manjaro to Fedora and I just love it..
until you need to record audio or share your screen and realise, oops, pipewire broke that. use kde? oops, wayland is still unusable and fedora uses it by default. use another spin? they're barely maintained so have fun. need software not packaged in rpm format? hope you enjoy hunting through copr or using flatpaks which are inconvenient and bloated.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Im a lawyer I dont need these things maybe your critics about rpm can be relevant to me but so far Im all right.
I just need something that is fairly stable and I can work with Fedora.
I know nothing about Linux and the only time I used it was a modded PS4 with Gentoo on it but the way you do your videos has me interested in changing to Linux or at least experimenting with it
I am very interested in that Gentoo PS4. Care to elaborate?
@@JayCeeCreates Sure
Things that are required:
PS4 on or below version 9.00
2 storage devices
1 for the jailbreak named Golden Hen (can be seen on the Modded Warfare YT channel)
1 for the flashed Linux preferable HDD or SSD (I used a packaged one made by Michael Crump who has a YT vid on it)
As well as USB Keyboard and mouse
I think Gold Hen is needed but I haven't tried it without
This is done through a web exploit on the older firmware of the PS4 and is something to do with injecting files into cache
I wont post the full link but the site can that will be used on the PS4 can be found in Moddded Warfare's 9.00 exploit video (site named Karo218)
When you go on this site the top button will load and then you press it then it will ask you to insert the Golden Hen USB and when the notification appears you remove the USB
Then on the same site there should be a Linux tab once this is pressed there will be a line of Linux 1GB - Linux 5GB this GB amount is the VRAM allocated 1GB or 2GB is best for first boot
Insert the device with the Linux install flashed on it and click either 1GB or 2Gb version of Linux and it should boot into whatever Linux you have flashed onto the device
(if the pre-package install from Michael Crump is used some applications will be preinstalled such as Steam, Brave, etc...)
The issue is that this exploit isn't persistent so to boot back in you will need to go to the site and put the USBs in again however all data on the Linux install is saved
I don't think I missed anything (Hopefully) If you want a better presented version of that watch the Michael Crump video: How to Install Gentoo on PS4 9.00
/Modded Warfare Video: Installing Linux on the PS4. 9.00
You have some rational takes here but as other users have pointed out your argument against Debian is flawed as the highlight/business model of Debian is stability. Along with that the SteamOS is moot as well because if you are gaming on Linux and you install Steam on your OS then guess what, they are going to track you because you have to log in. Final point and this one is very subjective but I can not take you in a truly serious manner with that stupid vr model.
If I install iTunes on Windows, does that make my computer owned by Apple?
@@Trafotin did OP even say something to that effect? non sequitur much?
What is your thoughts on Nobara Linux?
after all this year finally somebody brave enought to make video like this. you deserve a subscribe
Fedora does have a rolling release version as well, known as Fedora Rawhide... You should totally check it out if given the chance
if you love fixing your PC instead of actually using it, sure...
@@ps5hasnogames55 that's kinda true as well, I can't lie...
what are your thoughts on gentoo?
Have fun compiling Firefox for 22 hours.
Im a newbie to Linux and I am trying to understand. So, you don't like Debian or its forks? The problem for new users that want up to date software is that Debian and its forks are some of the most newb friendly distros. So What do you suggest for new users if not Debian, Zorin, Ubuntu, LM? Aren't Distros with up to date software notoriously much easier to break? I would LOVE up to date everything as that is what I am used to coming from Windows, iOS, etc.
Debian has this belief where they hold back updates for the sake of "stability." This is great for server users because they need the constant uptime and reliability of their software. Just because they hold back updates doesn't mean you won't get security updates, but the argument is it's worse because it wastes developer's time if they have to go back and reverse-engineer patches for older versions of said programs. At the scale of a distro like Debian, mostly run by volunteers, it's unreasonable to expect them to fix everything.
Just because you get updates doesn't mean something is more likely to break. Features are introduced to make your life better and fix problems and this has been demonized by Microsoft, who doesn't have a solid testing process and stuff breaks all the time. With non-Windows operating systems, this is largely untrue, but there have been exceptions. If you are new, start with Fedora, then if you have major hardware issues, turn back to Ubuntu. If you want something more advanced, openSUSE Tumbleweed is where I would send people next. Arch is something tons of people recommend, but it demands way too much of users, most of whom will never set up basic security controls present in other distros; it's possible, but most won't put in the effort.
I used to run Fedora before switching to Arch Linux, and I actually used Artix with KDE before Fedora.
Artix is "okay", but you really have to be an Arch AND Gentoo user for this, since this is basically Arch with OpenRC or literally everything except systemd. Plus you have to configure some stuff in oder to use it like it's Arch but with a GUI preinstalled. The only reason why I even know it is that I wanted to use something like Arch, but with a GUI since I didn't want to bother installing everything by myself, and my brother suggested this.
Then I was using Fedora, since a Qt update on Artix blew up everything, Dolphin, Konsole, even Plasma itself. Fedora is pretty cool and there wasn't really a reason to switch to Arch. It's great, well documented and supported and packages aren't 3 years old like in Debian. My installation just got bloated a lot, since I went with the official build with Gnome, but decided to install KDE after some point and suddenly had 2 DEs with all of their applications.
Now I decided to install Arch, because I wanted a system that is customizable, but doesn't have to be bloated and gets up-to-date software. I planned on using it for my future gaming rig anyway. It's not really that hard to do a base install and then install a WM or DE too. I went for KDE along with SDDM, but I want to install something like i3 just in case I need something very lightweight, e.g. KDE blows up after some update, again, or my computer isn't feeling so good. This surprisingly didn't happen yet, despite Qt getting an update the last days.
But yeah, if you don't know what you're doing or if you don't want to install and configure every single part that you want, then Arch isn't for you.
In the end, it's up to the user what's best, in my case either Fedora or Arch, but some like Mint or distros that I haven't tried yet like OpenSUSE.
This video was so entertaining! Keep it up!!!
Debian literally has no realtek drivers included in its default iso, but it literally lists the realtek drivers when it makes you choose from a list of drivers.
If you enable the non-free repo, you can sudo apt install firmware-realtek.
could you roast endeavour os too? thats the distro im currently using
3:52 It's a desktop environment not an operating system. Please don't confuse the two. Pardon me while I switch from the GNOME operating system to the KDE Plasma OPERATING SYSTEM!
Thanks for sharing your point of view, first I got hooked by the title but then I've realized was just a click bait, but then I got your point. I also do agree opensuse is a highly under appreciate distro that deserved more love.
Really enjoying your content. As a Linux newb definitely going to give Fedora a shot.
This was fun. Kinda crapped on the Linux Mint that I've been using for years, but we all have different tastes.
Considering moving back to an rpm distro. I can never memorize the package commands for debian-base distros for some reason. Fedora is the most likely candidate since we use Redhat at work.
I've tried one or two dozen distros over the years. Biggest pain-in-the-ass: Gentoo. Nothing's as much fun as compiling your own OS only to have the compile fail after 45 minutes of waiting. Fastest: Vector. I'd consider going back to Vector but it's no longer being developed.
Biggest pet peeve: OSes that have their own package manager.
I haven't shopped for distros in 10 years and I was surprised that OpenSUSE was even still around.
Never even heard of DeepIn.
don't bother with rpm distros. hardly any packages are available in rpm format so you'll be relying on bloated flatpaks a lot... and your only options for distros in the rpm world are beta test distros (fedora, centos, opensuse tumbleweed) or for servers (red hat and its clones like rocky and alma linux, and opensuse leap), and barely-maintained distros like mageia.
What do you think about Slackware?
Quite helpful thanks
Well, that was enlightening !
Thanks for the great content. I’ll try Fedora even if I got an Nvdia card…
Wish me luck 🍀
And stop trashing on those poor mainstream UA-camrs who indirectly led me to your video 😉
recently tried garuda dragonized, and my computer behaved weird, like i lagging in discord, can't share my screen properly, since only my mouse is wisible, other than that, the whole window is black. and my steam is glitching out... so i decided to try out MX linux... hope it will be better.
For ME, Ubuntu is working, as a Linux user for 20 years.
But in the future distribution will become obsolete, replace with wm/container/pack format (snap flat appimage etc).
i have use debian , gentoo, fedora, mandrake and ubuntu, for package management APT DPKG work very fine,
RPM sorry , RPM in my memory is slow ssssssssssssslllllooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and bad.
last time of use of mandrake or fedora ... 2004 maybe.
2000 migration to linux debian , 2004 no update for app , make me crazy , testing gentoo , mandrake fedora ... oh ubuntu begin , ok testing ubuntu , ubuntu since.
last desktop experience with debian 2020 , for a work computer..... firmware problem , drivers problem, feature problem .... ok ubuntu again.
Ubuntu have downside like any distribution, but choose mater.
For the future making a host system with container and WM per users or use with a graphics wm login/kiosk manager it is my dream, separate system into protected slide.
I love fedora but its the only distro (including its forks) where I have this bug:
whenever I reboot or turn on my computer if I don't press enter the exact moment grub shows up it goes to grub rescue and I cannot even write because it starts spamming "grub>"
It could boot when I pressed enter fast enough but It was too weird so I started distro hopping. Fortunately, I found a fork of fedora which does not have that problem: Nobara. I tried numerous fedora forks and spins but this is the only one which does not have that problem.
personally I switched to openbsd, it's not simple from a new user perspective, but it's very simple to do most things from a power user perspective
BSD is bulls##t. no software is available for it and they're all stuck in the 90s architecturally. openBSD especially is slow as molasses compared to freeBSD and even freeBSD has no software. no one cares about BSD except special snowflakes and corporations who love the licence since it lets them steal free software and not contribute anything back.
I installed PopOS, should I uninstall it and install fedora? It showed a bunch of errors when installing, and after installation it showed a bunch of X applications stopped responding. When I open the shop, it takes a while to open up. When I tried installing some apps, it didn't work. When I try to connect to websites located in my country, it doesn't work, but I can connect to international websites. There is a Hotspot popup that shows up showing 404. It uses up to 3.5gb ram and I've seen the CPU go up to 100 many times (not sure if it's normal or not).
just keep using PopOS if you like it.
Man, I use a Pavilion laptop from 2016, and used fedora on it, but with last kernel update it slowed A LOT my system, so decided to try manjaro and it runs very fast, is a lot of diference between arch and other mainline distros, but my very first distro (2008) was OpenSUSE so, I will give it a chance, I am not a distro hopper but... manjaro does not like me I don't know why... Thanks, very interesting video.
HP has been an ally of Linux through their printers, but also has some of the worst BIOS known to man because it causes issues even for Windows users.
What Desktop Environment are you using?
Just a quick question what about gentoo?
I think that back in the day it was an interesting point, but now with all red hat is doing, I would not recommend fedora to anyone
agreed
My PC with NVIDIA can't log into fedora 39 desktop after an update LOL
Loved the video, but it's wrong to recommend Fedora to a beginner.
The problem is it forces the open source Nouveau driver on the user, and requires the installation of 3rd party software such as RPM Fusion to get Nvidia Drivers up and running.
Many people may find this a huge barrier to entry.
Bruh, rpm fusion repo with Nvidia drivers is offered to install at first boot, and the driver is then available in the gui application store
@@nicktyrin4401 RPM Fusion is offered in the installer of Fedora itself?
If that's true, then I take back everything I said.
When I tried Fedora a while back I didn't see the option, but that's a cool change if what you say is true.
@@kidgoku1984 yeah, they added it recently. It's in the welcome window that appears on first boot, there's a checkmark to enable rpm fusion for Nvidia and steam
@@nicktyrin4401 thanks for sharing this with me!
I think I'll give Fedora another try soon.
@@kidgoku1984 no problem. Good luck!
My own hottake, I don't recommend opensuse tumbleweed unless you have the patience of a stone. It's the slowest distro I have ever tried to install and I have a 3700x and a Samsung Evo and yet it takes half an entire day to install it for me.
Download the offline iso
If you are talkig about installing packages generally then use a mirror repo
Based on your remarks about Debian and "muh stability" along with your DWM setup I can tell you're the type that spends more time tinkering their pretty configs than actually doing any hacking around. The only thing that truly sucks about Debian is aptitude. The package manager is complete ass. If you breathe on it while a package is being installed you have to spend the next 10 minutes fucking with it to fix it. Stability and bleeding edge are both situational preferences.
My same thoughts as well, just last year I finally left MS due to their silly Windows 11 policies, I went Debian because it has a big name in the server world. To my surprise every single tinkering that I did worked first try, from configuring my intel wifi card to my radeon gpus to even play steam games. I did not need a single time to fix the OS itself, it just worked as I expected plus more thanks to the tinkering.
@@alen2937 Debian is pretty good for just starting out. There's tons of helpful documentation and resources on it because it's so popular. Once you play around enough with different distributions you'll realise they're all just the same LSB specifications copy paste. Every distribution works almost exactly the same underneath the differences being package management and software versions. I don't get why people fight over distributions.
I recommend starting with Arch to people who want to learn, but don't have the time for Gentoo. Once you start with the lazy stuff it's hard to switch to more complex things. I mean I should have been using Gentoo for six months already, yet Arch works and it's easy.
If you are going to make those recommendations, then it is better not to recommend noting
I personally think Gentoo is somewhat of a waste of time in most scenarios, unless you have a very powerful computer. On Arch, updating takes a few minutes at worst, but on Gentoo, it varies between a few minutes, to many, many hours, depending on the size and your hardware. I don't see the reward in such a computer, though i think it's cool that other people use it
@@angeld.4507 The concept might be foreign to you, but I said "people who want to learn". Everyone else gets Linuxmint.
@@skygrow8202 You forget that you probably have running way less on an older box, so you don't have to compile as much either.