nah, my final evolution would be gentoo, lfs is good for killing times during situations like during covid, or if you take a loooong vacation from work.
@arnorobinwerkman I apparently have a very unpopular opinion, but you can customize most distros to an insane degree, or just use Arch & pick the components you want. Gentoo neede compiled from source, but WHY? Why do we wish to sit down for hours compiling code that is already compiled in other distros? Linux from Scratch Im not very familiar with how it works myself, but I know gentoo is just too much for anyone who works a lot or needs time for other tasks, or simply just values their time. Its not a hate thing, its just a confusion. I understand doing these things for a learning experience, but beyond that I really don't see why anyone with a life would want to mess with all this, yet all the time I see people saying they daily gentoo or linux from scratch(usually gentoo) The only actual reason I've ever seen, and been able to agree with, is "to flex on arch users", which, okay, fine, flex on arch users, thats great, it just means you have even less of a life than us 🤣🤣🤣 but then beyond that... lol why? I just don't get it. I work a lot. Id rather just use the already compiled arch distro & decide which components i want, and set it up quick, and move on.
@@arnorobinwerkman Honestly, you could daily drive gentoo if you can leave your computer on to compile stuff when you're not using it. That's what I do.
@@arnorobinwerkman But then again, I have 6 cores and 12 threads at 4.2 GHZ. I would say that this is the bare minimum if you wanna comfortably daily drive gentoo.
Needs to be normalized for the version of software, and compile time. Variables improving times that are out of the users' control but improve with better machines (i.e. you can buy your way to the top) are usually frowned upon and new rules are drafted in the wake of such a discovery to keep things fair. Games that have their physics tied to the FPS have caps to keep things a level playing field.
and thats why I stoped useing gentoo just dont have the time to compile every single application every update for minimal preformance increases still happy to compile certain ones but the bulk of things the default binarays are fine
"I should just write a script for this" is essentially how Gentoo started :P Also, Gentoo seamlessly switches from binaries to compilation when you start tweaking the settings - other distros have a whole separate process if you want to change something and recompile a package
I'm at 2 hours 17 minutes of the video, and I've been thinking: This is what Linux is like for regular people. (At least ones that don't use Linux/CLI in their job)
no, its not lol. linux wasn't this annoying to use. just install popos and be done. that said i just reinstalled windows cuz still most things dont work in wine. f
I did LFS/BLFS half dozen of times ten years ago - great experience, no VMs involved just my physical computer, I did it on a partition I dedicated for this in my then current Linux system and I then booted from there when ready - then build the BLFS part, it was very fun but It took a long time (I remember building QT for example took many hours) - most of this knowledge took me to the next level
@@MayumiTheKimura no to get it working completely as I wanted it to work took me 4 weeks. Nowadays I choose Debian distros, because the ease of use and stability. And run Asahi Linux(Fedora) on my M2 Max
When I was doing LFS, I remember regretting that there is no true community, like a forum, or a wiki with tips and solutions. If it existed, I think LFS could have been a viable OS for everyday use.But the way how it is now, you do it, and then you see there is nothing more to do with it... But if there were a community, some interesting things could have been done, like tricks to get the mouse work in the terminal, also mouse copy between terminals, use X only to launch one single app and then exit right afterwards... Anyways, there is so much experimentation possible with LFS, and yet people don't do it.
I think we should learn how to build drivers well before taking on a task this complicated. Once you become a good kernel developer then this becomes worth it.
This was proobably the best Linux learning thing ive seen in my life, luckly watched live and it was very enjoyable to watch the process, keepup the good job
Thanks for posting, while you was rambling one began work on a popup card for a friend. Listening to people ramble about things is a great way to pick up the right kind of thinking. Cheers.
i did that when i was a teenager... a friend introduced me to ubuntu... and i delve in...Linux From scratch really shows you about how linux builds linux... it takes a while of watching compiles and picking pieces out to learn about... love LFS... i use debian sid now... because i have gotten old and lazy... but i still play videos from command line in frame buffer terminal, because of what learned from LFS...
The perfect video for me to fall asleep to tonight! So much work has gone into making Linux more approachable and easier to use pretty much across the board. Arch is no longer a pain to install, gentoo no longer takes 3 weeks to install Chrome, and even Debian occasionally gets updates mid-cycle. This is all good. But its also good that LFS exists if just so that the people making the tools that make our favorite distros fully understand how those tools do what they do.
Went down a similar rabbit hole around 20 years ago, DSL, Tiny and Micro Core Linux, LFS, Sorcerer, Source Mage, Lunar Linux and LFS. Would install one Distro and rebuild them it into a different one, install NDISWrapper and completely fail to get Wifi working. Spend hundreds on used networking equipment because $5 ethernet cards that works are better than $20-$50 Wifi cards that don't. Could build Linux up or install and rebuild it how ever I wanted too but back then I could never reach that level where I could get the Wifi working reliably or in most cases at all.
To me, LFS has become an art piece or a challenge rather than a suitable tool for heroic admins. The idealic benefits of a fully compiled system do not hit the same highs on modern hardware as they did on our Pentium chips of the late 90s. Gentoo going to a mostly binary system by default is proof enough of that reduced benefit. Generic binaries have become close enough to a 1:1 for even the power user. I have gone down my own few avenues around LFS and Gentoo and found that in the end it's most suited for folks who want a deep level of appreciation for the dark arts that go into OS construction. If you need to go deeper than a proper Gentoo installation, you're just playing with it. Kudos for the LFS! Love & Respect.
Gotta give props to this mate for building LFS and giving me the kickstart i needed to build LFS again manually. Gotta appreciate the good content this bro made.
I considered trying this many times over the years, but in the end never felt up to putting in the time and effort. Glad you posted a video documenting the process and enjoyed watching you torture yourself. 🙂
at some point I really need to revisit LFS. I never finished the first attempt. ran out of drive space in my VM and I was just not paying attention. I remember thinking: "it's just compiling from source, and the guide says i'll be fine with 50 gigs, so surely I won't fill 90!". and then at some point, I did. I don't remember how far I was, I only remember I had started BLFS, and had a bootable system. I vaguely recall getting hung up for quite a while in the harfbuzz section, and getting all my hard work tossed because I was building from the unstable guide and it had updated part way through resizing my VMs drive. meaning I had to start over. It's not hard, it's just a lot of tedious copy, paste, and waiting. again... my fault, I should have given the VM more to work with. It did nothing for my hatred of circular dependencies though. Probably made it slightly worse. 🤣
What is crazy is that LFS is just the essential basic build. There's bound to be a thousand things a distro does to mitigate problems, optimize for performance, etc. Talk about 'Scratching The Surface'...
LFS is a wonderful learning tool as it gets you into the nitty gritty of low-level system setup. But there's so much more to the engineering work of a distribution. Just keeping up with upstream patches is a full time job. You've got to monitor CVE's and test every single package, etc. Including patching upstream packages whose dev's haven't patched yet. i.e. a zero-day and a patch was submitted but hasn't been committed yet. You still need to apply those patches yourself then remove them with upstream has them applied. You should avoid tarball releases and grab the source code. All those distro's impacted by the xz supply chain attack were infected because they trusted the xz tarball release (which is the only place the malware existed, not in the repo source). Then you need to fix all the little things that upstream refuses to do. For example, kmscon was forked and the fork is somewhat active while the original release is dead. Then if you want mouse support, screen rotation, etc. Then you need to patch the kmscon fork with additional patches that are still pending upstream merge. Rinse and repeat 1,000 times for all the crazy things that don't go smoothly in FOSS.
Remember me the tinycore noob...lol...well I've come a long way...thank you..still a long way to go...you have definitely made it fun along the vast journey
hey Titus, love the content. Will there be/is there a part 2 of this? I am curious to see how you finished setting up LFS and if/how you went ahead with BLFS.
Serious question for anyone who’d like to answer: is there a tangible reason to install this over Arch or especially Gentoo, or is it just a fun project? Interested to hear your thoughts.
You don't have to use the binary packages with Gentoo, they are available in a separate repo that needs to be enabled to be used. I for one, do not use the binary repo, so all of my systems are still built largely from source with a few binary package sprinkled in here and there. So just still has that "flair" as far as I am concerned.
Why? Isn't it just using more power and taking longer for the same thing? If the point is to know what you're building, are you actually checking there's nothing fishy in the source code every time? Building blinding seems no better than just running the binary given? If you just like doing it, ok sure, I just don't get it.
Excuse me, but I want to see you boot into it and everything (maybe install a package manager from scratch if you feel so inclined, but if not, even better). I mean at a certain point it just becomes like any other linux distro right? Not using a package manager is really the only thing holding you back I think.
Gentoo always had a package manager. And (almost) everything is compiled. It is just the pm is doing the fetching, configuring, make-ing and installing.
I have used LFS for years with a little distcc compiler farm and really loved it. When AMD introduced the Athlon 64, I wanted to switch to 64 Bit, but there were too many problems. So I tried Gentoo and stuck with it ever since.
I've built LFS dozens of times, going all the way back to LFS 4.0 that came on CD in Linux Journal, I believe it was. I have never given the forward more than a cursory glance.
My personal best of installing Arch is ca 9 minutes, though that includes setting up the VM, fixing archinstall (since there was a bug at the time), and a slow internet connection. (It took me ca 6 minutes ignoring the VM setup and fixing archinstall)
I heckled someone into trying this recently and the algorithm rewards me with this video. Everyone should do it...once. So they *know* lol TLDR - it took over two days to finally compile glibs on a Pentium Pro 350, and that's after two restarts where "mystery death" occurred (come into work and after a while you realize that it's not accessing disk or just repeating the same odd lazy disk noise pattern which means it went brain dead instead of full dead, either of which is plenty dead). Thanks for posting it up, I am sure I will enjoy the parts I don't skip over - it's not ego, some things are just too traumatizing to revisit lol but it did teach me appreciation for compiler theory classes...magical stuff that's still magical even after you get it. Like *schedulers* :-)
as it wasn't commented yet: the reason for the multiple passes of the base tools is to de-couple the toolchain from the host and enable it to compile itself independently first pass: build the toolchain from source but it still depends on the host environment second pass: rebuild the toolchain with itself to de-couple it from the host but to make it depend on itself so it works stand-alone third pass: use the self-depending toolchain to build the final system also: funny to see how the flow breaks because Chris thought "na, do it right in /mnt instead of /mnt/lsf" - classic fail of "do as I say - not as I do" also also: "interesting" how Chris fails on so many basics while he also did his own archinstall
hey man, could you offer insight on how to make an arch installation that handles partitioning automatically? would love to set up something that brings me right to my basic setup like your arch titus
I did lfs 6.0. Then I did a full blfs. There wasn't a 64 bit version then, and the build wasn't as pure as the current one. I used knoppix that I had installed instead of using the live CD. The box was Celeron based and some of the compiles took forever. Really a bummer when it kicked out after 30 min and had to go digging thru docs and forms to fix and continue. I was into audio apps and with lfs I was able to get most any software to run on that system. I eventually gave up on it because I didn't have a package manager and it was too much to keep up with. Oh, and I built X11 from scratch too. Wasn't too bad. The worst iirc was the xml stuff. I didn't know much about xml and it seems a lot of devs were using it to manage the resources in their apps. Gonna watch this.
the closest thing I have done is Arch Linux and for me it was a miracle I loved Arch linux whne I pulled it off which was able to 8-9yrs ago , I have did my best to do it again but I failed every time so as for LFS, Doubt I would make it t all , mind you back then I was doing my best and only had a single PC now I have a few PC s and also a couple laptop I may be able to pull off Arch Linux but I doubt I would be able to do LFS because I spent almost the same amount of time fixing and possibly still missing a few typos and grammar issues replying here lol
Hahaha the facial expression in the thumbnail... Yes LFS creates that rage... I've been there, many many moons ago I successfully did it. Never again. haha.
Did you find it?, I'm also looking for it, it may be in one of the live streams as this was, this video is an edit from the original where he was doing RUST and LFS
Oof, I've done this, as well as installing Gentoo back in the day, I'd say around 20 years ago or so. It took a damn near forever, just installing X11 was happy to cruch the source code for a long, long time. Didn't even try KDE, would have died of old age before that would have been done, assuming my hardware wouldn't have failed first.
"I refuse to do legacy, its 2024". Exactly. It's 2024 and UEFI is such a PITA to work with that I'd rather go back to normal BIOS and have stuff working reliably.
@@KoopstaKlicca Arch Linux is simple, it's not Gentoo or Linux from Scratch. It is easy to install and easy to maintain, what's the problem? I have already installed it manually so many times that I do it without reading online guides for a while and I had much less problems with it than I had with Ubuntu which crashed for no reason in the past. It simply works. You don't need to brag that it took you hours to do something to make yourself feel special on the internet.
The only linux install I "didn't finish" I love my arch with zen kernels Gentoo was pretty sick I had this bash script like your titus it just took four and a half days for programs to build I haven't 'hated' windows so much yet to be rid of it on my 4060 I need a bigger card for blender (eventually) Just some days I yell at it, "Where is my window you had one job?" Why I can't alt f5 it when I crash.
I keep yelling at the screen … make && make DESTDIR=$LFS install … but even that’s redundant as any good Makefile would have install dependent on all (or the targets).
Did you find it?, I'm also looking for it, it may be in one of the live streams as this was, this video is an edit from the original where he was doing RUST and LFS
Also known as MEGO Linux... My Eyes Glaze Over Linux. I'm doing good not to to bork the Linux Mint install I use for specific stuff on a couple of older computers.
the most evolved Linux user codes his entire operating system from scratch every time he boots his pc
The most evolved linux user programs their own linux inspired kernel.
The most evolved linux user. Codes his own coding language.
I don't think the word evolved means what you think it means. I mean reinventing the wheel doesn't make you evolved.
@@robertestus7933 But wanting and being able to does.
@@p-y8210 well its not that hard, i think everybody made a compiler for themselves at least 1 time.
I am not only one who made it, right?
The final evolution of a linux user.
nah, my final evolution would be gentoo, lfs is good for killing times during situations like during covid, or if you take a loooong vacation from work.
@arnorobinwerkman I apparently have a very unpopular opinion, but you can customize most distros to an insane degree, or just use Arch & pick the components you want.
Gentoo neede compiled from source, but WHY? Why do we wish to sit down for hours compiling code that is already compiled in other distros?
Linux from Scratch Im not very familiar with how it works myself, but I know gentoo is just too much for anyone who works a lot or needs time for other tasks, or simply just values their time.
Its not a hate thing, its just a confusion. I understand doing these things for a learning experience, but beyond that I really don't see why anyone with a life would want to mess with all this, yet all the time I see people saying they daily gentoo or linux from scratch(usually gentoo)
The only actual reason I've ever seen, and been able to agree with, is "to flex on arch users", which, okay, fine, flex on arch users, thats great, it just means you have even less of a life than us 🤣🤣🤣 but then beyond that... lol why?
I just don't get it.
I work a lot. Id rather just use the already compiled arch distro & decide which components i want, and set it up quick, and move on.
@@SamuTheFrog i want to try gentoo just for fun, gentoo is a step up from arch, but i wil not use gentoo on production system
@@arnorobinwerkman Honestly, you could daily drive gentoo if you can leave your computer on to compile stuff when you're not using it. That's what I do.
@@arnorobinwerkman But then again, I have 6 cores and 12 threads at 4.2 GHZ. I would say that this is the bare minimum if you wanna comfortably daily drive gentoo.
LFS needs to be a speedrun category.
Needs to be normalized for the version of software, and compile time. Variables improving times that are out of the users' control but improve with better machines (i.e. you can buy your way to the top) are usually frowned upon and new rules are drafted in the wake of such a discovery to keep things fair. Games that have their physics tied to the FPS have caps to keep things a level playing field.
I'd watch those speedruns.
Compile times vary too much between machines, it wouldnt be fair.
To get the best time, you’d need a supercomputer. Compiling GCC (TWICE) will take an hour or so depending on your hardware.
LFS (KDE%)
I was an LFS contributor and maintainer many years ago. I love LFS, however I just don’t have time to build and maintain my own system anymore.
thanks senpai 😘
Glorious beard guy being glorious
and thats why I stoped useing gentoo just dont have the time to compile every single application every update for minimal preformance increases still happy to compile certain ones but the bulk of things the default binarays are fine
@@aquaphobicFish look at CachyOS, they have optimized binaries for your specific version of x86-64. Pretty damn cool.
@@aquaphobicFish I used gentoo for flexing until I realized how slow compiling was on my laptop
"I should just write a script for this" is essentially how Gentoo started :P
Also, Gentoo seamlessly switches from binaries to compilation when you start tweaking the settings - other distros have a whole separate process if you want to change something and recompile a package
And then the compilation time takes so long that I will see my grandkids before it completes 😂😂😂
I'm at 2 hours 17 minutes of the video, and I've been thinking: This is what Linux is like for regular people. (At least ones that don't use Linux/CLI in their job)
no the is what normal people think linux is like
@@matthewpepperl no that's what you think people just think it's like
@@Aeroxima No it's just what I think what you think what they think it's like
no, its not lol. linux wasn't this annoying to use. just install popos and be done. that said i just reinstalled windows cuz still most things dont work in wine. f
@@BrentMalice It's like you looked in the window of an ice cream shop and left, and tell people what the ice cream there tastes like
There is a reason why those of us who have built LFS call themselves "LFS Veterans". Congratulations Chris, you have attained the rank of 'veteran'
I did LFS/BLFS half dozen of times ten years ago - great experience, no VMs involved just my physical computer, I did it on a partition I dedicated for this in my then current Linux system and I then booted from there when ready - then build the BLFS part, it was very fun but It took a long time (I remember building QT for example took many hours) - most of this knowledge took me to the next level
Wow didn't expect anyone to do it. I've done this about 12 years ago, It took about 4 weeks to get a stable KDE Desktop
Almost there, 2 more weeks and you can get a browser working, I believe in you!
@@MayumiTheKimura no to get it working completely as I wanted it to work took me 4 weeks.
Nowadays I choose Debian distros, because the ease of use and stability. And run Asahi Linux(Fedora) on my M2 Max
@@ernestoditerribile I use Ubuntu with i3 wm and it works just fine! And i also run Arch Linux on my desktop machine. Go with what works for you.
@Just-Another_Channelxfce or dwm only
@@ernestoditerribile I think she was joking but idk
When I was doing LFS, I remember regretting that there is no true community, like a forum, or a wiki with tips and solutions. If it existed, I think LFS could have been a viable OS for everyday use.But the way how it is now, you do it, and then you see there is nothing more to do with it... But if there were a community, some interesting things could have been done, like tricks to get the mouse work in the terminal, also mouse copy between terminals, use X only to launch one single app and then exit right afterwards... Anyways, there is so much experimentation possible with LFS, and yet people don't do it.
I think we should learn how to build drivers well before taking on a task this complicated. Once you become a good kernel developer then this becomes worth it.
This was proobably the best Linux learning thing ive seen in my life, luckly watched live and it was very enjoyable to watch the process, keepup the good job
Thanks for posting, while you was rambling one began work on a popup card for a friend. Listening to people ramble about things is a great way to pick up the right kind of thinking. Cheers.
i did that when i was a teenager... a friend introduced me to ubuntu... and i delve in...Linux From scratch really shows you about how linux builds linux... it takes a while of watching compiles and picking pieces out to learn about... love LFS... i use debian sid now... because i have gotten old and lazy... but i still play videos from command line in frame buffer terminal, because of what learned from LFS...
Thanks for putting the video up for those of us that missed the stream. Solid editing, perfect pace.
The perfect video for me to fall asleep to tonight!
So much work has gone into making Linux more approachable and easier to use pretty much across the board. Arch is no longer a pain to install, gentoo no longer takes 3 weeks to install Chrome, and even Debian occasionally gets updates mid-cycle. This is all good. But its also good that LFS exists if just so that the people making the tools that make our favorite distros fully understand how those tools do what they do.
I turned this on and slept like a baby ...best audiobook experience ever.
Went down a similar rabbit hole around 20 years ago, DSL, Tiny and Micro Core Linux, LFS, Sorcerer, Source Mage, Lunar Linux and LFS. Would install one Distro and rebuild them it into a different one, install NDISWrapper and completely fail to get Wifi working. Spend hundreds on used networking equipment because $5 ethernet cards that works are better than $20-$50 Wifi cards that don't. Could build Linux up or install and rebuild it how ever I wanted too but back then I could never reach that level where I could get the Wifi working reliably or in most cases at all.
GOOD BYE ARCH
Please, for God's sake, I want to see all the effort and creativity you're going to put into this upcoming LFS and BLFS. Just do it, and good luck!
To me, LFS has become an art piece or a challenge rather than a suitable tool for heroic admins. The idealic benefits of a fully compiled system do not hit the same highs on modern hardware as they did on our Pentium chips of the late 90s. Gentoo going to a mostly binary system by default is proof enough of that reduced benefit. Generic binaries have become close enough to a 1:1 for even the power user. I have gone down my own few avenues around LFS and Gentoo and found that in the end it's most suited for folks who want a deep level of appreciation for the dark arts that go into OS construction. If you need to go deeper than a proper Gentoo installation, you're just playing with it. Kudos for the LFS! Love & Respect.
You’re crazy! That has entertainment value.
Gotta give props to this mate for building LFS and giving me the kickstart i needed to build LFS again manually.
Gotta appreciate the good content this bro made.
I considered trying this many times over the years, but in the end never felt up to putting in the time and effort. Glad you posted a video documenting the process and enjoyed watching you torture yourself. 🙂
at some point I really need to revisit LFS. I never finished the first attempt. ran out of drive space in my VM and I was just not paying attention. I remember thinking: "it's just compiling from source, and the guide says i'll be fine with 50 gigs, so surely I won't fill 90!". and then at some point, I did. I don't remember how far I was, I only remember I had started BLFS, and had a bootable system. I vaguely recall getting hung up for quite a while in the harfbuzz section, and getting all my hard work tossed because I was building from the unstable guide and it had updated part way through resizing my VMs drive. meaning I had to start over.
It's not hard, it's just a lot of tedious copy, paste, and waiting. again... my fault, I should have given the VM more to work with. It did nothing for my hatred of circular dependencies though. Probably made it slightly worse. 🤣
Linux From Scratch is the friendliest Linux distro to get started with Linux 😅😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
What is crazy is that LFS is just the essential basic build. There's bound to be a thousand things a distro does to mitigate problems, optimize for performance, etc. Talk about 'Scratching The Surface'...
LFS is a wonderful learning tool as it gets you into the nitty gritty of low-level system setup. But there's so much more to the engineering work of a distribution. Just keeping up with upstream patches is a full time job. You've got to monitor CVE's and test every single package, etc. Including patching upstream packages whose dev's haven't patched yet. i.e. a zero-day and a patch was submitted but hasn't been committed yet. You still need to apply those patches yourself then remove them with upstream has them applied. You should avoid tarball releases and grab the source code. All those distro's impacted by the xz supply chain attack were infected because they trusted the xz tarball release (which is the only place the malware existed, not in the repo source). Then you need to fix all the little things that upstream refuses to do. For example, kmscon was forked and the fork is somewhat active while the original release is dead. Then if you want mouse support, screen rotation, etc. Then you need to patch the kmscon fork with additional patches that are still pending upstream merge. Rinse and repeat 1,000 times for all the crazy things that don't go smoothly in FOSS.
LFS is basically what every distros are based on, and the differences is the package manager primarily, and the support
Do they actually optimize anything at all...?
@@alexanded2383 that's actually up to you, and why people would consider building an LFS system. Or for extreme embedded applications.
1:03 Im glad to see that I’m not the only one to have found themselves driven to drown my sorrows *hiccup* •hiccup* in liquor because of Linux
Remember me the tinycore noob...lol...well I've come a long way...thank you..still a long way to go...you have definitely made it fun along the vast journey
Welcome to the gang
0:55 Um, no? Emerge just handles the compilation for you. Kind of like Paru for the AUR, but configurable with USE flags.
hey Titus, love the content. Will there be/is there a part 2 of this? I am curious to see how you finished setting up LFS and if/how you went ahead with BLFS.
Serious question for anyone who’d like to answer: is there a tangible reason to install this over Arch or especially Gentoo, or is it just a fun project? Interested to hear your thoughts.
just a fun project for people that have so much free time
You don't have to use the binary packages with Gentoo, they are available in a separate repo that needs to be enabled to be used. I for one, do not use the binary repo, so all of my systems are still built largely from source with a few binary package sprinkled in here and there. So just still has that "flair" as far as I am concerned.
Why? Isn't it just using more power and taking longer for the same thing? If the point is to know what you're building, are you actually checking there's nothing fishy in the source code every time? Building blinding seems no better than just running the binary given? If you just like doing it, ok sure, I just don't get it.
Excuse me, but I want to see you boot into it and everything (maybe install a package manager from scratch if you feel so inclined, but if not, even better).
I mean at a certain point it just becomes like any other linux distro right? Not using a package manager is really the only thing holding you back I think.
NVIDIA working really good over here too on Linux 🎉
Gentoo always had a package manager. And (almost) everything is compiled. It is just the pm is doing the fetching, configuring, make-ing and installing.
i was looking for serial to watch before going to sleep and i found this gem, i know only java but daym
I have used LFS for years with a little distcc compiler farm and really loved it. When AMD introduced the Athlon 64, I wanted to switch to 64 Bit, but there were too many problems. So I tried Gentoo and stuck with it ever since.
I thought it was gonna be harder but its like gentoo with extra steps
Now do the real Linux from scratch and write your own kernel, that's the true Linux nerd /s
just for fun
I've built LFS dozens of times, going all the way back to LFS 4.0 that came on CD in Linux Journal, I believe it was. I have never given the forward more than a cursory glance.
My personal best of installing Arch is ca 9 minutes,
though that includes setting up the VM, fixing archinstall (since there was a bug at the time), and a slow internet connection.
(It took me ca 6 minutes ignoring the VM setup and fixing archinstall)
using arch install does not count
I used to make LFS for my laptop in like 2020 if you have powerful enough system you can complete it as quick as 4 hours.
This the perfect lullaby 😁
I heckled someone into trying this recently and the algorithm rewards me with this video.
Everyone should do it...once. So they *know* lol
TLDR - it took over two days to finally compile glibs on a Pentium Pro 350, and that's after two restarts where "mystery death" occurred (come into work and after a while you realize that it's not accessing disk or just repeating the same odd lazy disk noise pattern which means it went brain dead instead of full dead, either of which is plenty dead).
Thanks for posting it up, I am sure I will enjoy the parts I don't skip over - it's not ego, some things are just too traumatizing to revisit lol but it did teach me appreciation for compiler theory classes...magical stuff that's still magical even after you get it. Like *schedulers* :-)
At this point, I would of went to FreeBSD like I did for a short time or I would attempt to make a toy OS based on Linux or better yet based off BSD.
Me like. Thanks for the awesome vids Chris!
as it wasn't commented yet: the reason for the multiple passes of the base tools is to de-couple the toolchain from the host and enable it to compile itself independently
first pass: build the toolchain from source but it still depends on the host environment
second pass: rebuild the toolchain with itself to de-couple it from the host but to make it depend on itself so it works stand-alone
third pass: use the self-depending toolchain to build the final system
also: funny to see how the flow breaks because Chris thought "na, do it right in /mnt instead of /mnt/lsf" - classic fail of "do as I say - not as I do"
also also: "interesting" how Chris fails on so many basics while he also did his own archinstall
Very good lessons. Thank you
hey man, could you offer insight on how to make an arch installation that handles partitioning automatically? would love to set up something that brings me right to my basic setup like your arch titus
Dunno what u r doing. but it looks like its more complicated then Arch, so big respect :)
Archtitus seems cool, time to try it out
woah, never expected this video would come out
Is it possible (useful) to do LFS for RISC-V processors instead of X86? Is there an alternative for RISC-V?
now blfs we are waiting buddy
The good point is that you compile all with march=native, all optimized for your cpu.
I did lfs 6.0. Then I did a full blfs. There wasn't a 64 bit version then, and the build wasn't as pure as the current one. I used knoppix that I had installed instead of using the live CD. The box was Celeron based and some of the compiles took forever. Really a bummer when it kicked out after 30 min and had to go digging thru docs and forms to fix and continue.
I was into audio apps and with lfs I was able to get most any software to run on that system. I eventually gave up on it because I didn't have a package manager and it was too much to keep up with. Oh, and I built X11 from scratch too. Wasn't too bad. The worst iirc was the xml stuff. I didn't know much about xml and it seems a lot of devs were using it to manage the resources in their apps. Gonna watch this.
I just love his thumbnails lol
the closest thing I have done is Arch Linux and for me it was a miracle I loved Arch linux whne I pulled it off which was able to 8-9yrs ago , I have did my best to do it again but I failed every time so as for LFS, Doubt I would make it t all , mind you back then I was doing my best and only had a single PC now I have a few PC s and also a couple laptop I may be able to pull off Arch Linux but I doubt I would be able to do LFS because I spent almost the same amount of time fixing and possibly still missing a few typos and grammar issues replying here lol
YEAAH. Letz Compile EVERY Library as back in the old days! :D I lovin it :D Back to kernel 0.99 :D
Remember doing this back in a 2007 on a old P3 machine laying around. Was fun and I learned a lot, but OMG it took ages compile everything.
well i thought you were gonna create a new distro from scratch but this was fun too
Could you theoretically compile LFS to a USB? Like a persistent live USB?
Am I missing something? Why build a linux install right after you literally just installed linux?
LFS is pretty useful for embedded systems
YOU MAD LAD!!!! YOU ACTUALLY DID IT CONGRATS!!!!!!
yea mandriva exists but it also has a decendent called mageia that is still being maintained i belive
Wjat vm manager is this? I know its qemu/kms but i dont recognize the manager
kvm/qemu
Is a hardcopy of LFS available to purchase???
Hahaha the facial expression in the thumbnail... Yes LFS creates that rage... I've been there, many many moons ago I successfully did it. Never again. haha.
What’s the advantage of LFS over Arch?
I would really like to see your results. I have tried 2-3 times and have a problem with booting.
Did you find it?, I'm also looking for it, it may be in one of the live streams as this was, this video is an edit from the original where he was doing RUST and LFS
Oof, I've done this, as well as installing Gentoo back in the day, I'd say around 20 years ago or so. It took a damn near forever, just installing X11 was happy to cruch the source code for a long, long time. Didn't even try KDE, would have died of old age before that would have been done, assuming my hardware wouldn't have failed first.
Sees linux from scratch 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Sees time length of video 💀💀💀💀
Yeah, not today.
No, no, a couple of hours is genuinely a short time for LFS.
@Titus Tech Talk can you do one with void linux?
Dang, I said you might like gentoo and you one upped me.
Would you recommend Gentoo for mastery of linux (within reason)
@@muhammadscott571 nah, in my opinion gentoo and arch dont really teach you much
When I remember I ran an LFS system for a while as a teenager I'm bewildered.
I did research and wrote homework on one in college.
This is what Linux felt like when I started learning it.
"I refuse to do legacy, its 2024". Exactly. It's 2024 and UEFI is such a PITA to work with that I'd rather go back to normal BIOS and have stuff working reliably.
As a dumby dumb dumb I like to watch when people experience difficulty, because it makes me feel less alone in this cruel, cruel, world.
I'd rather wait until the Winter ❄️
And we thought the manual arch install was hard😂
Arch Linux wasn't made to be difficult...not even to install. Arch's motto is "Keep it Simple Stupid".
@@simplemachine256you're being obtuse
@@KoopstaKlicca Arch Linux is simple, it's not Gentoo or Linux from Scratch. It is easy to install and easy to maintain, what's the problem? I have already installed it manually so many times that I do it without reading online guides for a while and I had much less problems with it than I had with Ubuntu which crashed for no reason in the past. It simply works. You don't need to brag that it took you hours to do something to make yourself feel special on the internet.
He's ascended
The only linux install I "didn't finish" I love my arch with zen kernels Gentoo was pretty sick I had this bash script like your titus it just took four and a half days for programs to build
I haven't 'hated' windows so much yet to be rid of it on my 4060 I need a bigger card for blender (eventually)
Just some days I yell at it, "Where is my window you had one job?" Why I can't alt f5 it when I crash.
I keep yelling at the screen … make && make DESTDIR=$LFS install … but even that’s redundant as any good Makefile would have install dependent on all (or the targets).
I mean its like modding fallout new vegas, a nightmare lol
This is comfy.
Why I see header as "Linux from scrap"?
LFS, for people who want to test how much of a masochist they are...
libxinerama libxft fontconfig ttf-liberation xorg-xinit base-devel. These are dependencies for dwm on arch
I'd only take this seriously if you have to write the compiler and development tools from scratch before starting.
Where the hell is part two!?
Did you find it?, I'm also looking for it, it may be in one of the live streams as this was, this video is an edit from the original where he was doing RUST and LFS
LFS was my gateway drug to Gentoo
Gentoo easy in front of LFS.
This is weird... a TTT video where the title of the video matches the video content?
LFS is easy and i would even say it's easier than Gentoo you can compile it in a less than a day (which i did) if you have a decent cpu
ITS WAS ME sultanw0
I’ve never felt victorious in a long time also you cannot run with your copiam
When Did He Install Gentoo???
Also known as MEGO Linux... My Eyes Glaze Over Linux. I'm doing good not to to bork the Linux Mint install I use for specific stuff on a couple of older computers.
LFS video, it's edited and it's still 2+ hours LMFAO
I fell asleep and woke up to "day two", weird feeling lol
more penguins more text … nothing working…more anger 😡
RIP Titus's sanity