I've had mine for a while and now I can't fly without them. Using rudder peddles with a flight sim makes flying so much better especially in prop aircraft such as the warbirds you find in IL-2 or DCS World.
I have these pedals, they work great in DCS World in the F18 Hornet. I lay a box in front of them against the wall, does the job and keeps them from sliding. Great review, straight to the point!
@@beanieteamie7435 yes if I open my windows control panel and go to game controllers windows reads every button, It reads the joystick, and it reads the pedals. But when I get into DCS I have no rudder control and the game does not sense it. I was wondering if I need that adaptor to plug the pedals directly into the pc using usb
3:43 "The more left and right it is, there more vomit there'll be in your cabin" How come real life flight instructors don't explain it that eloquently?
Look for once and for all, ALL SINGLE PROP AIRCRAFT turn left due to P Factor, corkscrew affect, engine torque, and gyroscopic procession. Its not a bad pedal setting nor cross wind. Look them up.
I’ve used these for combat sims for a few years but always found they are too close together to be able to have the fine control you need to aim at a small ground target. I’m moving over to saitek as they are better spaced apart.
Im just wrapping my hrad around using them for war thunder tank rb, using the right one as gas and the left as a break pedal with the turning for tank turning whilst driving tanks. For planes it might be a complete gamechanger, with the indipendent left and right wheel break, capping caps with planes gonna be a lot easier
I have these and just out of warranty a toe brake cable broke. Luckily I repaired them but wouldn’t waste money on another pair. Yes they don’t glide that smooth. It’s better to bite the bullet and save up and buy descent Rudder pedals that would last along time.
I’ll tell ya, they’re great. I use them for DCS. They are sensitive. I need a lot of de sensitivity lol. I use the x-52 pro and always hated the twist. Played x-plane 9 and Falcon Allied Forces also. Some day, it’ll be the $650 pedals lol.
"... because I mean, every one knows, you don't slide dry, you slide with a bit of lube; it's going to be more fun. I mean, come on Thrustmaster; you're called Thrust Master!!! You should get these things right!!!" Nothing truer has been said! The best way to begin 2020!
To be fair I dont think these pedals feel 'tacky' at all. I agree they are not the most expensive pedals out there but for £67 I personally think they are solid. They dont feel cheap. If you are think of buying these I would absolutely say you wont be disappointed...a good solid buy for people who dont have loads of cash.
Had them for a year now. They were great in the first few weeks, but now they are binding/sticking really bad. Cleaned them, lubed them with Teflon, Silicone etc., but the are getting worse and worse. Thinking of getting rid of them as they ruin the experience...
Use stick on velcro to keep them from sliding on carpet. I have had these pedals for 2 years and never knew they had toe brakes.....F thanks for the education
Your review was pretty spot on! I just received mine and I'm very pleased with them. For its price its very decent quality, the build is very hard plastic so it doesn't flex or creak on pressure. I have a Warthog HOTAS and this seems to complement it very well.
@Remko ☘️ They work fine. Only thing is the rudder calibration is a tad drifty so it's hard to get the sensitivity right. It lacks precision but for the price I guess can't complain.
Just ordered the tpr pedals, the t-flight pedals are just too sticky and stiff for helicopters. If you get the t-flight pedals, make sure you keep the metal rods clean and greasy
Nyogel 767a probably would make these feel better. I have the TWCS throttle as well, which was unusable until I greased the rails with it....Will try it on the pedals as soon as they arrive.
Cant imagine why thrustmaster havent used linear bearing. they cost 0,5$ per piece. These plastic slides are horibble.... Im going to make mod to this one, soon it will be awilable on thingiverse :)
Don’t buy these whatever you do, they are very sticky. Thrustmaster calls them the “SMART” rail system but it is really quite dumb as to why there are no bearings. Yes I’ve tried various greases and silicone lube but it makes little difference. Mine are going in the bin as soon as I get a decent set of pedals with smoother actuation!
The problem with potentiometers is, they wear out after some time. If got the old CH pedals USB and I have to change the potentiometers every one or two years.
Price point, usability, and quality are always a trade off game. It is perfectly possible to pick up some nicely built aircraft aluminum high quality pedals for 5x the price.
I just can't get used to it, I'm about to apply some lubricant to it's moving parts, wonder if anyone else has the same issue: they feel way too "sticky" for you to have precise controls with your muscles. What happens is that I have to use an irregular amount of force on my feet for it to move, I keep pressing slightly harder and harder for it to finally move, so it's impossible to be precise because I either don't move it at all or apply too much force and move it too much, it's pretty hard to apply just enough force for it to just move slightly.
Gonna try using my clutch and gaspedal for the rudder. Should work. But the toe brakes is something I could fall in love with. Don't like using buttons for that. Almost always results in a spitfire drift session. Good video btw.
Great video I recently bought these pedals and the T16000 flightstick, I"m very happy with the flightstick but not the pedals Mine are very difficult to move smoothly, I tried lithium grease no joy then Itried 3in1 light lubrication oil after cleaning the grease off that is. removing the spring made matters worst, trying to fly helicopters is a nightmare with these pedals, does anyone have this same problem and what did you do to fix it I would love to see a bearing mod for this but that is beyond my tools and scope.
I've got the same problem. It can see them in the control options and it works fine in the Thrustmaster config app; just doesn't respond within the FS2020 play
Ok so I did get it to work... the problem is I don’t really know how or why it started working - so sorry I can’t give you great instructions. Installing the device driver and the calibrater didn’t seem to help. I was getting this issue where the rudder axis was weird where right rudder wasn’t registering. To reset what actually seemed to do it was the switch in the back by the usb plug in. Cycled that and it seemed to start working. Hopefully this does the trick for you
Rudder to keep the nose straight and opposite aileron banked into the wind on final approach is far more stable in small GA aircraft. Crabbing into the wind all the way down then straightening out before you land is an airliner move.
Maybe you should make another video using this pedals on a combat simulator (War Thunder or IL-2) because in that environment they are really useful if not essential. Also the pedals are too close together causing stress on your knees on the long run. The lack of tea drinking and the word "honest" on the title are unacceptable.
Hi! I'm having a bit of trouble finding the perfect response curves for those rudder pedals. When I apply left or right rudder at full force, my aircraft makes a really wide turn to the point where it goes off the taxi way and into the grass. Any ideas? Thanks!
hey man whats up thanks for the video, i actually just got these pedals but i am having a slight issue. the game and all is recognizing the pedals and all the settings are correct but when i go into flight the rudder pedals are not operating. inside the cockpit the pedals are not moving and also the outside of the aircraft the tail is not moving as well. i installed the driver as well.
Halfway up the cable is a rectangular plastic box. On one side is a very tiny switch that allows you to use these as rudder pedals or racing pedals (accelerator and brake). Check that you are on flight mode.
Awesome Vid! I purchased all components individually over the course of a year and after watching your video, I finally purchased the foot pedals. I'm still not looking forward to mapping everything though.
At the moment, I am MOST concerned about construction quality. I've owned the Cessna rudder pedals (two sets, over time) and one set of Saitek/Logitech Pro Flight rudder pedals. The Saitek set broke yesterday just like the two Cessna sets did previously and ALL for the same reason: one end of the springs that return the brakes to neutral is connected to the potentiometer assembly by a small, L-shaped plastic hook. Considering that the plastic hooks are ALWAYS under constant stress from spring tension even when the pedals are in neutral, it is absolutely INEVITABLE that the PLASTIC hooks ARE going to yield to the METAL springs and break off from fatigue eventually. Coincidentally, when the hook broke, it jarred the inner workings of the right pedal enough that it caused one of the terminal clips connected to the potentiometer to loosen just enough for the potentiometer to lose signal and send my airplane (I was taxiing at the time) into a tight right circle that I was unable to regain control of. Had the plastic piece been made of aluminum (costing only a few dollars/cents more at most), the problem NEVER would have occurred in ANY of the rudder pedal brands. Does anybody know of ANY rudder pedals that are designed and manufactured correctly? I don't mind paying for quality, but when I do, I want to GET quality. (And, yes, I'm a mechanical engineer.)
for some reason mine sticks a ton whenever I first move, and it has really jerky movement. It kind of smooths out if I use the inertia after it gets moving, but it's impossible to do precise movements. I don't know how to fix it and make it smooth again
New to flight sims, and I am from the Dover area, so when I saw that footage from the glider used for a moment my jaw dropped! I didn't know there was anything that represented my local area so well. Is it a particular scenery expansion pack for XP11 that you use? Would really appreciate finding out!
Only downside with xp11 is that it doesn't simulate wave lift , but does have a randomised thermal system over land and does have ridge lift for hills.
Thanks for the review. I now need pedals because BOTH possible yaw axis on throttle and stick have severe ghosting. Making me scared to go with another Thrustmaster. (T16000M)
@@yorinov2001 Actually I managed to make it working. You have to assign axis your own both to rudder rotation and differential braking because default assignment is wrong.
Had these for the couple of years. I find them are too close together and hard to make small smooth adjustments with them. Going to get the MFG Crosswind now :)
Those were my first pedals and I must say I was really disappointed. They're too narrow, sticky and have too little resistance. I couldn't make precise movements with them due to that stickiness. And it really surprises me how reviewers overlook this problem. In all other reviews on youtube that I've seen those pedals were said to be ok and that stickiness is there but it's not really stated how impactful it really is. Well, for me it was really bad. Especially if you play combat sims like Il-2. I really couldn't reliably adjust quickly enough to take an accurate shot. In DCS I had problems taxing in F-14 on a deck precisely, because whenever I needed to just slightly adjust, that stickiness was a huge problem. Not to mention the potentiometer started to act up pretty quickly. After a few weeks I just started to save for something better and eventually bought MFG Crosswind rudder pedals and it was such a HUGE difference. Completely different feeling and actually possible to point a reticle at a target fairly quickly. The price is of course much higher, but it's been a whole year since I bought MFG and they're completely fine with no maintenance other than tightening foot rests screws. Another thing is that MFG and all other high budget pedals use magnetic sensors instead of potentiometers. Not only are magnetic sensors much precise, I noticed that the potentiometer in Thrustmaster pedals has a small delay. So really, it's just better to save up for proper pedals that will survive and give you options to customize them later on.
"Potentiometers work fine..." ...until they don't. My CH Pro Throttle has a pot and it's been spiking since the day I bought it back in 2015 or 16. It's such a shame that Microsoft left the joystick-market years ago. Their products were spectacular value for money - generally speaking. I never got to grips with these cheapo TM products. Back when I was working as a PC-game-reviewer, I did a large input-device roundup for the magazine I was working for. This was in the mid 90s. We had both the cheaper TM FLCS (F4 Phantom grip, all plastic construction) and their top of the line version of the same stick (all metal base, super strong and precise spring action). This Pro-version was an absolute joy to use (once you velcroed it to the desk), but incredibly expensive. And the "cheap" FLCS not only felt tacky and cheap to the touch, it also wasn't really cheap compared to other brands *and* it snapped clean off at the base of the grip on the last day of testing when I calibrated it.
Rudder pedals just now in operation in MS Flight Simulator 2020: The pedals are recognized unter "controls" and the display bar also shows the corresponding deflection. In the normal position , the bar display is in the middle (= ok).When used on an aircraft, the rudders always return to zero position despite full permanent left or right actuation (if you press "0" or "enter" on the keyboard, the rudders remain in their angled position). Can anyone help?
Problem solved: if you set "rudder axis" to "reverse axis", the assignments in "rudder left / right" are not automatically changed. The correct setting is (make it manually!): Reverse axis deactivated: rudder right = joystick L-axis Z-, rudder left = joystick L-axis Z + Reverse axis activated: Rudder right = joystick L-axis Z +, rudder left = joystick L-axis Z- Which is actually the correct setting that can be found in the real aircraft? Left before = right curve or vice versa? Full deflection now works perfectly, but the rudder "flutters" when adjusted slightly, so precise control is not possible. Possibly Software problem, similar to the current error in the elevator trim Airbus ...
Don’t buy these whatever you do, they are very sticky. Thrustmaster calls them the “SMART” rail system but it is really quite dumb as to why there are no bearings. Yes I’ve tried various greases and silicone lube but it makes little difference. Mine are going in the bin as soon as I get a decent set of pedals with smoother actuation!
I have, go to the controls setup then choose the T-Rudder. I then clicked on sensitivity and it will show the axis names and graph the movement. then I backed out of sensitivity and set each axis. for my setup the left brake is L-Axis Y (reverse direction), right brake is L-Axis X (reverse direction), Rudder is L-Axis Z. what confused me was the L- it does not mean left or right rudder pedal but that the whole rudder pedal unit is considered the left controller and that my flight stick unit is the right controller.
ok i think i will get this and just mod them so i can simulate a gundam cockpit.... i mean i can get the vkb omni gladiator accessory for my hosas set up... plus modding this to metal plates and a better springs... it might actually be good enough... now i just need something like a massage-chair-like chair that is not too restrictive.... and i would be almost done with my gundam cockpit... i can imagine it... i will pilot a simulated gundam robot somehow....
Try putting on the brakes after landing. They are virtually useless!!! Contacted Thrustmaster Support, their answer, "Sorry, you are going to have to figure it out for yourself." Support was about as useless at the brakes. Hi Nancy! There's better rudder pedals out there.
Hope this video gave you the information you were looking for!
Amazon link to the Rudder pedals - amzn.to/37PHstN
I've had mine for a while and now I can't fly without them. Using rudder peddles with a flight sim makes flying so much better especially in prop aircraft such as the warbirds you find in IL-2 or DCS World.
I have these pedals, they work great in DCS World in the F18 Hornet. I lay a box in front of them against the wall, does the job and keeps them from sliding. Great review, straight to the point!
They still going strong?
I can’t get DCS to read the pedals. Any advice?
@@samcarter1848 Does windows read the pedals?
@@beanieteamie7435 yes if I open my windows control panel and go to game controllers windows reads every button, It reads the joystick, and it reads the pedals. But when I get into DCS I have no rudder control and the game does not sense it. I was wondering if I need that adaptor to plug the pedals directly into the pc using usb
@@samcarter1848 have you looked for software ?
I think it's time for "I beat you with flight controllers" in a racing sim.
lol would make for a great vid I am sure
3:43 "The more left and right it is, there more vomit there'll be in your cabin" How come real life flight instructors don't explain it that eloquently?
lol They do.
Look for once and for all, ALL SINGLE PROP AIRCRAFT turn left due to P Factor, corkscrew affect, engine torque, and gyroscopic procession. Its not a bad pedal setting nor cross wind. Look them up.
No these pedals are rubbish , yes I know about planes pulling to the side from the torque as well as helicopters.
you can stick velcro tape (the side with the hooks) with adhesive layer onto the underside of the rudder pedals to get them secured on the carpet.
I’ve used these for combat sims for a few years but always found they are too close together to be able to have the fine control you need to aim at a small ground target. I’m moving over to saitek as they are better spaced apart.
I now have 2 sets of Thrustmaster pedals, 1 set of logitech ones... and no flightSIM. Influence success 100%!
can you send me the spare lol
Which one do you prefer? Logitech or thrustmaster?
Im just wrapping my hrad around using them for war thunder tank rb, using the right one as gas and the left as a break pedal with the turning for tank turning whilst driving tanks. For planes it might be a complete gamechanger, with the indipendent left and right wheel break, capping caps with planes gonna be a lot easier
I have these and just out of warranty a toe brake cable broke. Luckily I repaired them but wouldn’t waste money on another pair. Yes they don’t glide that smooth. It’s better to bite the bullet and save up and buy descent Rudder pedals that would last along time.
And wich ones are those?, the Thrustmaster TPR are crazy expensive and I just can't buy them without getting divorced! XD
@@JP-xd6fm win-win
All this preperation for the new MS Flight Simulator. GM seems hyped af! 😄
I’ll tell ya, they’re great. I use them for DCS. They are sensitive. I need a lot of de sensitivity lol. I use the x-52 pro and always hated the twist. Played x-plane 9 and Falcon Allied Forces also. Some day, it’ll be the $650 pedals lol.
I have these and they're fine, I just wish they were a bit wider apart.
you can 3d print a mod to make them wider :)
@@qad417 in filament,that mod cost as much as brand new Logitech G Pro flight rudder pedals
Try right on the aileron and left rudder on that crosswind from the right. You want to land on your right wheel. 😉
"... because I mean, every one knows, you don't slide dry, you slide with a bit of lube; it's going to be more fun. I mean, come on Thrustmaster; you're called Thrust Master!!! You should get these things right!!!" Nothing truer has been said! The best way to begin 2020!
To be fair I dont think these pedals feel 'tacky' at all. I agree they are not the most expensive pedals out there but for £67 I personally think they are solid. They dont feel cheap. If you are think of buying these I would absolutely say you wont be disappointed...a good solid buy for people who dont have loads of cash.
Had them for a year now. They were great in the first few weeks, but now they are binding/sticking really bad. Cleaned them, lubed them with Teflon, Silicone etc., but the are getting worse and worse. Thinking of getting rid of them as they ruin the experience...
Use stick on velcro to keep them from sliding on carpet.
I have had these pedals for 2 years and never knew they had toe brakes.....F thanks for the education
Lmao
how did you brake?
Could you do a review of these pedals after some time/months of usage?
On the thrustmaster T.flight 4 stick you can lock the rotation of the stick so it won’t interfere with the pedals
Your review was pretty spot on! I just received mine and I'm very pleased with them. For its price its very decent quality, the build is very hard plastic so it doesn't flex or creak on pressure. I have a Warthog HOTAS and this seems to complement it very well.
you still use them both with no isseu's?
@Remko ☘️ They work fine. Only thing is the rudder calibration is a tad drifty so it's hard to get the sensitivity right. It lacks precision but for the price I guess can't complain.
The lack of lubrication is incredibly frustrating. Especially when you're landing taildraggers!
Just ordered the tpr pedals, the t-flight pedals are just too sticky and stiff for helicopters. If you get the t-flight pedals, make sure you keep the metal rods clean and greasy
Nyogel 767a probably would make these feel better. I have the TWCS throttle as well, which was unusable until I greased the rails with it....Will try it on the pedals as soon as they arrive.
Was the Nyogel 767a any good on the pedals?
@@frankmacs9379 Kind of...they're still hard to control & got caked with dirt & cat hair really fast.
Cant imagine why thrustmaster havent used linear bearing. they cost 0,5$ per piece. These plastic slides are horibble.... Im going to make mod to this one, soon it will be awilable on thingiverse :)
Don’t buy these whatever you do, they are very sticky.
Thrustmaster calls them the “SMART” rail system but it is really quite dumb as to why there are no bearings.
Yes I’ve tried various greases and silicone lube but it makes little difference.
Mine are going in the bin as soon as I get a decent set of pedals with smoother actuation!
Great video. But what do you use to control the throttle?
The problem with potentiometers is, they wear out after some time. If got the old CH pedals USB and I have to change the potentiometers every one or two years.
does it have load cell ?
Noooooo
Price point, usability, and quality are always a trade off game. It is perfectly possible to pick up some nicely built aircraft aluminum high quality pedals for 5x the price.
Great review. My favourite part was the thrustmaster lube section haha!
Which one is an better alternative? I want high quality and realistic pedals like in a PA28 or DA62
The Yaw on takeoff power is due to the torque of the engine.
Yep. P factor.
Picked these up for FS2020, if I stick with it i might eventually replace them with the honeycomb charlie pedals when they come out
Same, just had these and a Alpha Honeycomb arrive in the mail
Same here! Happy flying guys 🖖
00:34 appreciate it! Can you teach us about joystick or joke functions as well? Also basics of how to fly a flight? Thanks!
Lesson 1: Play Pilotwings 😉
"Everybody knows you don't slide dry; you slide with a bit of lubricant on it" -GamerMuscleVideos
I just can't get used to it, I'm about to apply some lubricant to it's moving parts, wonder if anyone else has the same issue: they feel way too "sticky" for you to have precise controls with your muscles.
What happens is that I have to use an irregular amount of force on my feet for it to move, I keep pressing slightly harder and harder for it to finally move, so it's impossible to be precise because I either don't move it at all or apply too much force and move it too much, it's pretty hard to apply just enough force for it to just move slightly.
good video! some mentioned this paddle is very sticky.? not accurate?
Nice video, Any pedals with hall? , . I bought saitek rudder pedals but im not shure about durability,
Why you don’t use rudder when airborne. You should use simultaneously rudder and ailerons
Would this be something to buy if I want to build my own pedals? Just transfer the electronics?
That RJ12 plug worries me. I think I only have one of those and that is for my net connection. Doesn't is have a USB connection?
Gonna try using my clutch and gaspedal for the rudder. Should work. But the toe brakes is something I could fall in love with. Don't like using buttons for that. Almost always results in a spitfire drift session. Good video btw.
How was it? I am seriously considering the same
@@VongolaEX10 worked good. Just need to remember to lift the other foot when using the other one. I got used to quickly
Great video I recently bought these pedals and the T16000 flightstick, I"m very happy with the flightstick but not the pedals Mine are very difficult to move smoothly, I tried lithium grease no joy then Itried 3in1 light lubrication oil after cleaning the grease off that is. removing the spring made matters worst, trying to fly helicopters is a nightmare with these pedals, does anyone have this same problem and what did you do to fix it I would love to see a bearing mod for this but that is beyond my tools and scope.
Do these work on fs2020 or nah, I’ve purchased them based off this review and I can’t get it to work properly on the rudder axis.
I've got the same problem. It can see them in the control options and it works fine in the Thrustmaster config app; just doesn't respond within the FS2020 play
Ok so I did get it to work... the problem is I don’t really know how or why it started working - so sorry I can’t give you great instructions. Installing the device driver and the calibrater didn’t seem to help. I was getting this issue where the rudder axis was weird where right rudder wasn’t registering. To reset what actually seemed to do it was the switch in the back by the usb plug in. Cycled that and it seemed to start working. Hopefully this does the trick for you
Can youu use them for simracing?
I just bought the flight system today, how are your pedals holding up are they still ok?
would i be able to set these up with the logitech g 945 yoke system as the logteich pedals are alot of money and are unavailable??
Rudder to keep the nose straight and opposite aileron banked into the wind on final approach is far more stable in small GA aircraft. Crabbing into the wind all the way down then straightening out before you land is an airliner move.
Is this compatible with both Xbox series x/s and PS4/PS5?
I know you seem race a ton as well. Do you use the same cockpit for both? Do you have to change out wheel and pedals every time you want to fly?
I normally flight sim.at my.desk 👍💪.
Nice Video
I have a problem: I got the T-Rudder but my Toe Brakes are not working. Do you know how to fix?
What pedals are better, these ones or the logitech ones?
Did you have to use a adapter
What pedals are BEST for helicopter sim?
Maybe you should make another video using this pedals on a combat simulator (War Thunder or IL-2) because in that environment they are really useful if not essential. Also the pedals are too close together causing stress on your knees on the long run. The lack of tea drinking and the word "honest" on the title are unacceptable.
Hi! I'm having a bit of trouble finding the perfect response curves for those rudder pedals. When I apply left or right rudder at full force, my aircraft makes a really wide turn to the point where it goes off the taxi way and into the grass. Any ideas? Thanks!
Use the toe brake as well as full rudder 👍
hey man whats up thanks for the video, i actually just got these pedals but i am having a slight issue. the game and all is recognizing the pedals and all the settings are correct but when i go into flight the rudder pedals are not operating. inside the cockpit the pedals are not moving and also the outside of the aircraft the tail is not moving as well. i installed the driver as well.
Halfway up the cable is a rectangular plastic box. On one side is a very tiny switch that allows you to use these as rudder pedals or racing pedals (accelerator and brake). Check that you are on flight mode.
I managed to twist of my third damn joystick of its base.....This time It was an X52-PRO!(Thank god for warranty) I think its time to consider pedals.
I can’t find the driver can you please add it
This or the logitech g saitek pro flight rudder pedals?
Thanks for the review. What is the name of glider simulator you've played in the video at 8'52"?
I have the T.16000M and the Yaw control completely broke on the inside, meaning I am basically forced to look at rudder pedals...
was gonna buy these now i want THRUSTMASTER TPR confirmed =]
What rudder pedals do you recommend purchasing that’s good quality and under$200 range?
save up and get MFG cross winds
Is there any way to keep it stable on carpet or is it pretty stable on carpet
are they better build quality compared to garbage Logitech?
Alr soon im gonna buy the whole rig, TCA Captain pack and thrust master TFRP
Awesome Vid! I purchased all components individually over the course of a year and after watching your video, I finally purchased the foot pedals. I'm still not looking forward to mapping everything though.
is there a way to make it so left and right pedal work as 1 axis where right pedal is max value and left pedal is minimum value?
I am considering replacing my 20 year old CH Pro pedals and I'm wondering if it's worth replacing it with this?
No just get nice ones 👍
GamerMuscleVideos Thanks for your quick reply and your honesty!
At the moment, I am MOST concerned about construction quality. I've owned the Cessna rudder pedals (two sets, over time) and one set of Saitek/Logitech Pro Flight rudder pedals. The Saitek set broke yesterday just like the two Cessna sets did previously and ALL for the same reason: one end of the springs that return the brakes to neutral is connected to the potentiometer assembly by a small, L-shaped plastic hook. Considering that the plastic hooks are ALWAYS under constant stress from spring tension even when the pedals are in neutral, it is absolutely INEVITABLE that the PLASTIC hooks ARE going to yield to the METAL springs and break off from fatigue eventually. Coincidentally, when the hook broke, it jarred the inner workings of the right pedal enough that it caused one of the terminal clips connected to the potentiometer to loosen just enough for the potentiometer to lose signal and send my airplane (I was taxiing at the time) into a tight right circle that I was unable to regain control of. Had the plastic piece been made of aluminum (costing only a few dollars/cents more at most), the problem NEVER would have occurred in ANY of the rudder pedal brands. Does anybody know of ANY rudder pedals that are designed and manufactured correctly? I don't mind paying for quality, but when I do, I want to GET quality. (And, yes, I'm a mechanical engineer.)
Mfg crosswinds are well made I believe but cost a fair bit more 👍
Can you suggest a website or purchase location? I'm having no luck with this for some reason. @@GamerMuscleVideos
Do these work on xbox?
for some reason mine sticks a ton whenever I first move, and it has really jerky movement. It kind of smooths out if I use the inertia after it gets moving, but it's impossible to do precise movements. I don't know how to fix it and make it smooth again
New to flight sims, and I am from the Dover area, so when I saw that footage from the glider used for a moment my jaw dropped! I didn't know there was anything that represented my local area so well. Is it a particular scenery expansion pack for XP11 that you use? Would really appreciate finding out!
It's orbex true earth great Britton , might be worth holding out for MSFS2020 right now ytough
Thanks! And I'll take that under advisement :)
Only downside with xp11 is that it doesn't simulate wave lift , but does have a randomised thermal system over land and does have ridge lift for hills.
thanks for the review think you need to be a commentary for f1, killa voice champ
Thanks for the review. I now need pedals because BOTH possible yaw axis on throttle and stick have severe ghosting. Making me scared to go with another Thrustmaster. (T16000M)
I have those pedals and today I tested them on MFS 2020. They got detected but are not working
same here, it sees them but they are not working
@@yorinov2001 Actually I managed to make it working. You have to assign axis your own both to rudder rotation and differential braking because default assignment is wrong.
Had these for the couple of years. I find them are too close together and hard to make small smooth adjustments with them. Going to get the MFG Crosswind now :)
Exactly, i was wondering why they put the pedals so close together...?! -.-
GM help! how wide are they I've just discovered my Saitek pedals do not fit in my sim rig!!!!
Thank you. Good info... Just purchased....
what program is that where u test yaw axis? mine peddals dosnt work pluged into airbus thottle quadrant.
Those were my first pedals and I must say I was really disappointed. They're too narrow, sticky and have too little resistance. I couldn't make precise movements with them due to that stickiness. And it really surprises me how reviewers overlook this problem. In all other reviews on youtube that I've seen those pedals were said to be ok and that stickiness is there but it's not really stated how impactful it really is. Well, for me it was really bad. Especially if you play combat sims like Il-2. I really couldn't reliably adjust quickly enough to take an accurate shot. In DCS I had problems taxing in F-14 on a deck precisely, because whenever I needed to just slightly adjust, that stickiness was a huge problem. Not to mention the potentiometer started to act up pretty quickly. After a few weeks I just started to save for something better and eventually bought MFG Crosswind rudder pedals and it was such a HUGE difference. Completely different feeling and actually possible to point a reticle at a target fairly quickly. The price is of course much higher, but it's been a whole year since I bought MFG and they're completely fine with no maintenance other than tightening foot rests screws. Another thing is that MFG and all other high budget pedals use magnetic sensors instead of potentiometers. Not only are magnetic sensors much precise, I noticed that the potentiometer in Thrustmaster pedals has a small delay. So really, it's just better to save up for proper pedals that will survive and give you options to customize them later on.
they dont have a usb plug. you have to get an adapter
"Potentiometers work fine..."
...until they don't. My CH Pro Throttle has a pot and it's been spiking since the day I bought it back in 2015 or 16.
It's such a shame that Microsoft left the joystick-market years ago. Their products were spectacular value for money - generally speaking. I never got to grips with these cheapo TM products.
Back when I was working as a PC-game-reviewer, I did a large input-device roundup for the magazine I was working for. This was in the mid 90s. We had both the cheaper TM FLCS (F4 Phantom grip, all plastic construction) and their top of the line version of the same stick (all metal base, super strong and precise spring action). This Pro-version was an absolute joy to use (once you velcroed it to the desk), but incredibly expensive. And the "cheap" FLCS not only felt tacky and cheap to the touch, it also wasn't really cheap compared to other brands *and* it snapped clean off at the base of the grip on the last day of testing when I calibrated it.
Potentiometers , can be good or bad quality potentiometers.
As to the quality of pots thrust master uses I don't know.
"You' re called Thrustmaster"
FUCKING DESTROYED
6:18 The BURN
Rudder pedals just now in operation in MS Flight Simulator 2020: The pedals are recognized unter "controls" and the display bar also shows the corresponding deflection. In the normal position , the bar display is in the middle (= ok).When used on an aircraft, the rudders always return to zero position despite full permanent left or right actuation (if you press "0" or "enter" on the keyboard, the rudders remain in their angled position). Can anyone help?
Problem solved: if you set "rudder axis" to "reverse axis", the assignments in "rudder left / right" are not automatically changed.
The correct setting is (make it manually!):
Reverse axis deactivated: rudder right = joystick L-axis Z-, rudder left = joystick L-axis Z +
Reverse axis activated: Rudder right = joystick L-axis Z +, rudder left = joystick L-axis Z-
Which is actually the correct setting that can be found in the real aircraft? Left before = right curve or vice versa?
Full deflection now works perfectly, but the rudder "flutters" when adjusted slightly, so precise control is not possible. Possibly Software problem, similar to the current error in the elevator trim Airbus ...
Can these pedals be mounted to a rig?
Great review. Thanks
thinking of buying it, you all recommend? :)
Don’t buy these whatever you do, they are very sticky.
Thrustmaster calls them the “SMART” rail system but it is really quite dumb as to why there are no bearings.
Yes I’ve tried various greases and silicone lube but it makes little difference.
Mine are going in the bin as soon as I get a decent set of pedals with smoother actuation!
@@oldtimer2192 what do you recommend then?
Not working in MSFS 2020! Has anyone gotten them to work or is having the same trouble!?
I have, go to the controls setup then choose the T-Rudder. I then clicked on sensitivity and it will show the axis names and graph the movement. then I backed out of sensitivity and set each axis. for my setup the left brake is L-Axis Y (reverse direction), right brake is L-Axis X (reverse direction), Rudder is L-Axis Z. what confused me was the L- it does not mean left or right rudder pedal but that the whole rudder pedal unit is considered the left controller and that my flight stick unit is the right controller.
Awesome thanks!!
ok i think i will get this and just mod them so i can simulate a gundam cockpit.... i mean i can get the vkb omni gladiator accessory for my hosas set up... plus modding this to metal plates and a better springs... it might actually be good enough... now i just need something like a massage-chair-like chair that is not too restrictive.... and i would be almost done with my gundam cockpit... i can imagine it... i will pilot a simulated gundam robot somehow....
Alguien sabe si son compatibles con el Xbox series?
Great video, thanks for sharing!..
"Give it some welly"....I must look that up in my flight manual lol
could i use the joystick twist for yaw control ?
i like the socks GM, they're very nice
Got them for Xmas
Try putting on the brakes after landing. They are virtually useless!!!
Contacted Thrustmaster Support, their answer, "Sorry, you are going to have to figure it out for yourself." Support was about as useless at the brakes. Hi Nancy!
There's better rudder pedals out there.
come on, we want names
Do you have a US amazon affiliate link?
thanks for the advice bro