Amazing timing on this vid, just had my pedals deliverd and hour prior to the upload. Ive been using the twist on the joystick for both the X52 and X56 for about 2 years can`t wait to see the diffrence now. Will report my findings !
Right it's been sometime, and I can confirm I will no longer be returning to any other ways of using the rudder. I ask myself why it took me this long to pickup some pedals as It honestly changes the way you play any flight SIM for the better. 100% recommend any SIM flyer to buy a set of pedals (with toe brakes) asap, you got to try this !
Another tidbit, having pedals with a Tension adjuster is very handy. Legs tend to be strong and, at least for me, it can feel like the pedals aren’t there till tension is increased.
There’s 2 ways to steer a plane at low speed. Differential braking or nose wheel steering. If a plane has one it doesn’t generally have the other. So for the Harrier it has NWS but no differential braking so you wouldn’t be able to use the brakes to steer. The train you can have the NWS switch on the stick is so you can steer at low speed on the takeoff roll & then release it once it’s fast enough for the rudder to work. If you buses the brakes on a real jet on takeoff you’d blow the tyres in seconds and your takeoff roll would be greatly extended, especially with a heavy load. I’m takeoff and lending checks one of the checks is feet off the brakes (for NWS planes) so you don’t inadvertently blow the tyres or damage the airframe in some way.
It's going to forever remain one of those nice-but-niche things, because the available options are basically too expensive to be regarded as anything but a luxury item. Most of us have to make use with a Z axis on the flight stick to try emulating it.
twist grip worked fine for me to start DCS and only flying jets but as soon as i started flying warbirds it was starting to be a struggle but when i started flying heli's i quickly got a set of pedals and that was a game changer (only thing that prolonged my buying pedals was the fact they cost more then the Stick + Throttle)
I made do using the Coolie Hat on my Thrustmaster Warthog to control the torque on the Kamov and Hip for years, they were manageable, but then the Hind came out and that finally made me break down and get a set of pedals and a Track IR. Turns out that was the right move because the Apache came out soon after, and I could not be half as good an Apache pilot if I didn't have my pedals.
I have the Logitech G Pedals along with the Logitech X56. Rudder pedals for the most part are important for the taxing, take off and landing. I have flown in real life and during my first flight lesson, I had to use the rudder pedals and toe brakes. It was the strangest sensation ever. I didn't realize you needed to use your feet to fly. Larger airlines have a tiller handle that allows the aircraft to turn however.
Even airliners still have differential brakes to allow tighter turns like turning around at the end of a runway where the nosewheel would be almost perpendicular to the airframe
I just started DCS a couple months ago. Had 2x VKB Glad NXT's from playing Star Citizen. Bought the STECS throttle and played DCS for a few weeks using the right stick twist for rudder and worked okay as you mentioned. Right after that I ordered and received my VKB MK V Rudder Pedals it has been a game changer in gameplay precision but also a wrist saver from the twist axis of my stick.
Twisting the grip worked for me for decades. On gliders eg. where you don't have to use 30 buttons on the stick I didn't find issues. Quite got used to it. But now I'm comin to dcs, needed another stick with bells, and whistles. Temporarily I use a gamcontoller axis stuck to the base of the stick, 2nd axis as brakes. Till I get some proper pedals. Issue with pedals is that they make you get stuck in your chair in a fixed position, your movements are more limited.
I used a cheap stick with the twist rudder. That's a start, then I got the Thustmaster bundle. Stick, throttle and pedals. I believe it was near $170-ish. Those served me well so far, but I need to upgrade. The throttle is fine, no need for that to be upgraded. The stick is also good except there's no tension adjustment. It's very stiff and wants to return to neutral constantly. For helo's and planes with no aileron/rudder trim, this is horrible. But the main upgrade is the rudder pedals. The one that came with the bundle is the slider type. Push one, the other slides back. Not easily controllable and has no finesse. I tried my friends all metal with the real push/pull and the difference is amazing.
For mission planners and Cap: the USA started using drone aircraft in 1942, the aircraft used was called "Interstate TDR" It got the axe for a few reasons.. 1) the navy and Army air corps where very susceptible with it, 2) in the 50 missions flown there was 30+ odd successful hits W/ NO american lives lost. They didn't like that is had a very low chance to lose soldiers and sailors, not honorable and sporting. Anyway, I was wondering if you could do something with this idea in mind on if it was accepted and was used often would the pacific war would have gone better and faster and if they would have also started to use them against the Germans at the same time.. The wiki is under the "Interstate TDR" title and I've only seen a few YT video's I found 9 but I'm sure there is more. I don't know how or what you could set it up as but you guys don't fail to have idea's and entertaining and educational video.. Good luck and keep on keeping on and enjoy the bloody video g... Sim... 👍👍👍
I'm set up for small planes. I have a yoke and pedals. My joystick setup broke long ago and I never replaced it. Makes flying jets quite a challenge. One of these days, I'll replace it and get a second stand for it.
I bought the X56 because of your recommendation, Cap, and to be honest, I think it was a superb entry-level stick and the twist-grip rudder was superb. These days, I use the Thrustmaster TPR which are excellent. I'm actually still waiting for my Honeycomb Charlie because of a major problem within the company - but I use Honeycomb's Alpha and Bravo for GA flying. However, I noticed a fundamental flaw with the X56. If my Oculus Rift S cables lie next to the X56, there's some interference which causes the DCS aircraft systems shut down either while taxiing or mid-flight. This drove me crazy because I couldn't find out what was going on and there was no issue logged in the forums. Anyway, I digress from the rudder pedal issue!
I'm really glad Winwing went all out with their first pedals. Its great to have some competition in the high end market because the thrustmaster TPR pedals are way overpriced for what they are, and other high end pedals require long waiting periods if you can even get them. Its fantastic they created a way to quickly switch between a sprung system for fixed wing and non sprung for rotary wing. I'm going to get a set to replace my TPR because as great as they are, they are too limited for their very high cost.
I use a £30 block of 3 push buttons, for your feet. I use this for Helicopter anti torque, and for individual toe brakes (centre for All brakes). I use the big padal on the back of the T1600m throttle for rudder in aircraft, perfect for it. Cant afford proper pedals.
D@mn it! You're convincing me to spend money I don't have! Grrr. So tempting! Note: I use the Z-axis on my Orion 2 Throttle from Winwing to control my rudder currently.
if you aren't flying warbirds or helicopters, keyboard rudder is good enough. Toe brakes are more important, I'd say than rudder, as some planes are finnicky about not being at 100% braking power. For those I have a throttle slider that I use. Not all rudder pedals have toe brakes.
I'm still using the keyboard, and I can definitely tell you I avoid all warbirds/helicopters cause it's just so hard to fly without pedals. I pretty much stick to the A-10, F-16, F-18 just because they are super forgiving.
Try flying with a keyboard and mouse, I am actually starting to get pretty good at it. I got a bronze star on the F15c fighting migs and bombers. But I will have my stick throttle VR and pedals this week.
+GrimReapersAtomic *The twist on the roll-pitch stick is useful for yaw trim, but I'd prefer an actual rudder/brake pedal kit - more instinctual that way.* THRUSTMASTERⓇ has the most authentic kit in the PENDUL-ＲⓇ; but LogitechⓇ, VIRPILⓇ, &c. have decent yaw/brake kits for fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft such as the Bell Helicopter Textron H-1/H-40/H-56 Series (which are ideal for the Virtual Engineering Bureau MPO (% VKB Controllers US LLC) T-Rudder and VIRPIL ACEᵀᴹ Torqᵀᴹ).
i don't understand, i mean i understand the concepts shown above but how are rudders in general excluding the method used to apply important in a airplane while flying ? say in a A10?
Rudders provide lateral stability and nose wheel steering in airplanes. While flying, they help coordinate a turn...the stick will roll the aircraft, and the rudder is used to ensure the center of gravity remains in the centerline of the aircraft. The turn and bank indicator's "ball" should remain centered so the ball doesn't slip to the inside of the turn, or skid to the outside of the turn. A slip or skid will give one wing more lift than the other. At low speeds, uncoordinated turns can create stall/spins that may be unrecoverable at low altitudes.
Cap, it helps being a drummer as well!! I had very little problem transitioning to rudder pedals from a twist-grip when I came over from the darkside!! The one thing my pedals don't have is toebrakes and you're absolutley right, they do (must) help!! Good vid mate, cheers.
Tell me Cap, are the WW pedals worth the price? I fly with the WW Orion 2 stick and throttle for the viper and Mustang, but use very cheap pedals so far without issues. That said, when the F-4 and Kiowa come out I feel like quality rudder pedals will be a necessity to fly them.
Did you guys tried normal rudder pedals with office chairs (locked wheels)? I have the VKB one that doesn't rotate me, but what about the new one from WW? because I don't have toe brakes
Day 14 of no answers for where my order from WinWing is, or when I can expect to receive it. While I am going to continue to exercise patience, I am concerned that there is going to be a customs charge for my delivery to Canada, after everything I read said it would be free shipping. Should I prepare to be charged an extra $500+ on top of all this nonsense? Cheers
Based on your Day 14 statement, it appears you purchased your order at the beginning of the Chinese New Year. Pretty sure most things come to a stop for a time. Shipping notifications from China have been incorrect for the last 3 years I've been receiving stuff from them. I can understand why you're spun up about the notification, but be prepared. I've had reports of things being sent back to China, then the item shows up at my doorstep the next day.
I have a picture of Cap coming out of hospital just surviving and first thing: "To the rudder pedal !" !!
I remember this also.
My pedals arrived a few hours ago...
It's like precognition 😅
For the last few years I've used the twist on the x56.
Amazing timing on this vid, just had my pedals deliverd and hour prior to the upload. Ive been using the twist on the joystick for both the X52 and X56 for about 2 years can`t wait to see the diffrence now. Will report my findings !
Right it's been sometime, and I can confirm I will no longer be returning to any other ways of using the rudder. I ask myself why it took me this long to pickup some pedals as It honestly changes the way you play any flight SIM for the better.
100% recommend any SIM flyer to buy a set of pedals (with toe brakes) asap, you got to try this !
@@azaanjamaldin5799thanks, what rudder pedals did you get?
I used to watch your videos while I was hospitalized myself while recovering from surgery to remove a tumor....small world
Another tidbit, having pedals with a Tension adjuster is very handy. Legs tend to be strong and, at least for me, it can feel like the pedals aren’t there till tension is increased.
There’s 2 ways to steer a plane at low speed. Differential braking or nose wheel steering. If a plane has one it doesn’t generally have the other. So for the Harrier it has NWS but no differential braking so you wouldn’t be able to use the brakes to steer. The train you can have the NWS switch on the stick is so you can steer at low speed on the takeoff roll & then release it once it’s fast enough for the rudder to work. If you buses the brakes on a real jet on takeoff you’d blow the tyres in seconds and your takeoff roll would be greatly extended, especially with a heavy load. I’m takeoff and lending checks one of the checks is feet off the brakes (for NWS planes) so you don’t inadvertently blow the tyres or damage the airframe in some way.
It's going to forever remain one of those nice-but-niche things, because the available options are basically too expensive to be regarded as anything but a luxury item.
Most of us have to make use with a Z axis on the flight stick to try emulating it.
twist grip worked fine for me to start DCS and only flying jets
but as soon as i started flying warbirds it was starting to be a struggle
but when i started flying heli's i quickly got a set of pedals and that was a game changer
(only thing that prolonged my buying pedals was the fact they cost more then the Stick + Throttle)
Same, it's the cost that's been the hurdle.
One day though.
I made do using the Coolie Hat on my Thrustmaster Warthog to control the torque on the Kamov and Hip for years, they were manageable, but then the Hind came out and that finally made me break down and get a set of pedals and a Track IR. Turns out that was the right move because the Apache came out soon after, and I could not be half as good an Apache pilot if I didn't have my pedals.
BTW, i just want to say I'm glad you're doing better. Thanks for the video as always.
I have the Logitech G Pedals along with the Logitech X56.
Rudder pedals for the most part are important for the taxing, take off and landing.
I have flown in real life and during my first flight lesson, I had to use the rudder pedals and toe brakes. It was the strangest sensation ever. I didn't realize you needed to use your feet to fly. Larger airlines have a tiller handle that allows the aircraft to turn however.
Even airliners still have differential brakes to allow tighter turns like turning around at the end of a runway where the nosewheel would be almost perpendicular to the airframe
I just started DCS a couple months ago. Had 2x VKB Glad NXT's from playing Star Citizen. Bought the STECS throttle and played DCS for a few weeks using the right stick twist for rudder and worked okay as you mentioned. Right after that I ordered and received my VKB MK V Rudder Pedals it has been a game changer in gameplay precision but also a wrist saver from the twist axis of my stick.
A rudder is a must in a dog fight. It's also more and more useful in dropping precision dumb bombs.
Twisting the grip worked for me for decades. On gliders eg. where you don't have to use 30 buttons on the stick I didn't find issues. Quite got used to it. But now I'm comin to dcs, needed another stick with bells, and whistles. Temporarily I use a gamcontoller axis stuck to the base of the stick, 2nd axis as brakes. Till I get some proper pedals.
Issue with pedals is that they make you get stuck in your chair in a fixed position, your movements are more limited.
I used a cheap stick with the twist rudder. That's a start, then I got the Thustmaster bundle. Stick, throttle and pedals. I believe it was near $170-ish. Those served me well so far, but I need to upgrade. The throttle is fine, no need for that to be upgraded. The stick is also good except there's no tension adjustment. It's very stiff and wants to return to neutral constantly. For helo's and planes with no aileron/rudder trim, this is horrible. But the main upgrade is the rudder pedals. The one that came with the bundle is the slider type. Push one, the other slides back. Not easily controllable and has no finesse. I tried my friends all metal with the real push/pull and the difference is amazing.
Wow, I was just looking into rudder pedals
For mission planners and Cap: the USA started using drone aircraft in 1942, the aircraft used was called "Interstate TDR" It got the axe for a few reasons.. 1) the navy and Army air corps where very susceptible with it, 2) in the 50 missions flown there was 30+ odd successful hits W/ NO american lives lost. They didn't like that is had a very low chance to lose soldiers and sailors, not honorable and sporting. Anyway, I was wondering if you could do something with this idea in mind on if it was accepted and was used often would the pacific war would have gone better and faster and if they would have also started to use them against the Germans at the same time.. The wiki is under the "Interstate TDR" title and I've only seen a few YT video's I found 9 but I'm sure there is more. I don't know how or what you could set it up as but you guys don't fail to have idea's and entertaining and educational video.. Good luck and keep on keeping on and enjoy the bloody video g... Sim... 👍👍👍
I'm set up for small planes. I have a yoke and pedals. My joystick setup broke long ago and I never replaced it. Makes flying jets quite a challenge. One of these days, I'll replace it and get a second stand for it.
I bought the X56 because of your recommendation, Cap, and to be honest, I think it was a superb entry-level stick and the twist-grip rudder was superb.
These days, I use the Thrustmaster TPR which are excellent. I'm actually still waiting for my Honeycomb Charlie because of a major problem within the company - but I use Honeycomb's Alpha and Bravo for GA flying.
However, I noticed a fundamental flaw with the X56. If my Oculus Rift S cables lie next to the X56, there's some interference which causes the DCS aircraft systems shut down either while taxiing or mid-flight. This drove me crazy because I couldn't find out what was going on and there was no issue logged in the forums. Anyway, I digress from the rudder pedal issue!
I leaned to fly a plane before I learned to fly a sim, so I absolutely cannot fly without rudder peddles
I'm really glad Winwing went all out with their first pedals. Its great to have some competition in the high end market because the thrustmaster TPR pedals are way overpriced for what they are, and other high end pedals require long waiting periods if you can even get them. Its fantastic they created a way to quickly switch between a sprung system for fixed wing and non sprung for rotary wing. I'm going to get a set to replace my TPR because as great as they are, they are too limited for their very high cost.
I use a £30 block of 3 push buttons, for your feet. I use this for Helicopter anti torque, and for individual toe brakes (centre for All brakes). I use the big padal on the back of the T1600m throttle for rudder in aircraft, perfect for it. Cant afford proper pedals.
Awesome video lads I have been looking to get myself a set of rudder pedals and I found this video very useful
Thanks gunner.
God 2016 was 8 years ago…
I was born in 2008 so I was poised to think “Oh 2016, not that long ago” then Cap said “8 years ago” and I was like “whoah”
D@mn it! You're convincing me to spend money I don't have! Grrr. So tempting!
Note: I use the Z-axis on my Orion 2 Throttle from Winwing to control my rudder currently.
if you aren't flying warbirds or helicopters, keyboard rudder is good enough. Toe brakes are more important, I'd say than rudder, as some planes are finnicky about not being at 100% braking power. For those I have a throttle slider that I use. Not all rudder pedals have toe brakes.
I'm still using the keyboard, and I can definitely tell you I avoid all warbirds/helicopters cause it's just so hard to fly without pedals. I pretty much stick to the A-10, F-16, F-18 just because they are super forgiving.
When I used to twist sticks I’d inadvertently yaw while rolling and pitching. I could fly heli without em
Try flying with a keyboard and mouse, I am actually starting to get pretty good at it. I got a bronze star on the F15c fighting migs and bombers. But I will have my stick throttle VR and pedals this week.
Nice to hear u splashed that Cancer 🎉🎉 Cap greetings from Algeria 🇩🇿
Winwing should develop a load-cell mod to replicate F16 rudders
+GrimReapersAtomic *The twist on the roll-pitch stick is useful for yaw trim, but I'd prefer an actual rudder/brake pedal kit - more instinctual that way.* THRUSTMASTERⓇ has the most authentic kit in the PENDUL-ＲⓇ; but LogitechⓇ, VIRPILⓇ, &c. have decent yaw/brake kits for fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft such as the Bell Helicopter Textron H-1/H-40/H-56 Series (which are ideal for the Virtual Engineering Bureau MPO (% VKB Controllers US LLC) T-Rudder and VIRPIL ACEᵀᴹ Torqᵀᴹ).
Cool Vid CAP GR! 😉
You're lucky cap, HACS (heart attack, cancer, stroke) is the leading cause of death in the last 50 odd years.
never ever use toe brakes on takeoff unless you loose directional control.
You are talking about "Skywalker" pedals in this video and the other - but they are called Orion, right?
Yes, they are call both Skywalker and Orion. Sorry for the confusion.
i don't understand, i mean i understand the concepts shown above but how are rudders in general excluding the method used to apply important in a airplane while flying ? say in a A10?
Rudders provide lateral stability and nose wheel steering in airplanes. While flying, they help coordinate a turn...the stick will roll the aircraft, and the rudder is used to ensure the center of gravity remains in the centerline of the aircraft. The turn and bank indicator's "ball" should remain centered so the ball doesn't slip to the inside of the turn, or skid to the outside of the turn. A slip or skid will give one wing more lift than the other. At low speeds, uncoordinated turns can create stall/spins that may be unrecoverable at low altitudes.
Cap, it helps being a drummer as well!! I had very little problem transitioning to rudder pedals from a twist-grip when I came over from the darkside!!
The one thing my pedals don't have is toebrakes and you're absolutley right, they do (must) help!!
Good vid mate, cheers.
Tell me Cap, are the WW pedals worth the price? I fly with the WW Orion 2 stick and throttle for the viper and Mustang, but use very cheap pedals so far without issues. That said, when the F-4 and Kiowa come out I feel like quality rudder pedals will be a necessity to fly them.
I can only advise based on what I've used. They are the same price as MFG crosswind and I prefer the WW pedals considerably.
Did you guys tried normal rudder pedals with office chairs (locked wheels)? I have the VKB one that doesn't rotate me, but what about the new one from WW? because I don't have toe brakes
Day 14 of no answers for where my order from WinWing is, or when I can expect to receive it. While I am going to continue to exercise patience, I am concerned that there is going to be a customs charge for my delivery to Canada, after everything I read said it would be free shipping. Should I prepare to be charged an extra $500+ on top of all this nonsense? Cheers
My concern comes from the shipment notice I received saying there may be a "Customs agent charge" for the shipment coming from the US.
Based on your Day 14 statement, it appears you purchased your order at the beginning of the Chinese New Year. Pretty sure most things come to a stop for a time. Shipping notifications from China have been incorrect for the last 3 years I've been receiving stuff from them. I can understand why you're spun up about the notification, but be prepared. I've had reports of things being sent back to China, then the item shows up at my doorstep the next day.
Watched many videos cap, but I still have no idea what you look like 😂
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