5 SIGNS you are NOT a TJ (INTJ, ENTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ) Personality Type | Te Extraverted Thinking
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2022
- Diane and I list 5 signs you are NOT the TJ personality type (INTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ).
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1. Resource allocation in itself seems like a daunting task to you
2. You naturally enjoy the journey more than the end result
3. Emotional impact is the most important metric in decisions
4. When someone gives you a task list you feel boxed in and push back
5. Efficiency is not the most important reason for thought sharing
INTJ here. Absolutely agree with everything. I plan so so much, yet my implementation is a bit wishy washy. I do not like the journey, since I hate to wait. I want the results, and I want them now. Feelings are not a priority in decision making, unless I am handling humans and it might compromise the efficiency. I would rather like a to-do list than an open ended expectation any day. Efficiency, accuracy and symmetry are prime importance as always. I can never make a decision unless I have consulted all the worst case scenarios.
Great video as always.
When you say "INTJ here" how do you know you're an INTJ, who diagnosed you with it and who says it's an officially accepted term in modern psychology? Like, anyone can proclaim themselves as anything and what does it even mean?
@@jonsnow4770 I was typed by Joyce herself. Therefore, I know I am INTJ.
@@jonsnow4770 Who says we're talking modern psychology anyway? This is personality theory. Conventional science is just a discipline, a lens, like any other, just like the human perspective. Not actual, all encompassing reality.
That sounds more like ISTJ and inferior Ne (preparing for all the worst case scenarios) but who knows maybe you have other qualities that are more intj than istj
My husband and I had our fourth child this year. My husband (ENFP) kept saying he wanted to use some leave to help me for a few weeks, and he wanted to know everything he should do to make life easier for me while I recovered. I'm an ISTJ, so naturally I made a list and gave it to him. He glared at the list he'd seemingly just asked for, and he never did a single thing on it.
I couldn't help but laugh. Goes to show how people mean different things by what they say. Your husband probably wanted to know in what way he could be helpful in terms of the outcome so he could choose his own way of arriving at that outcome.
@@bquart4297 I'm certain you're correct.
😅🥰 awwww
It's called weaponized incompetence. Please look it up. I'm sorry about it.
@@RA-fw5yc No, he doesn't do that. He just likes to do things his own way, and apparently he hates lists. He'll do what I ask if I speak in very broad terms (which is incredibly difficult for an ISTJ to do because those details are very important to us). I just didn't understand that before. I've also learned to speak my emotions so that he understands why things are important. He says he needs to be "inspired."
(INTJ) For me, Te tasks like management and delegation are things I'm good at but kind of dread, and yes, it's very much an energy thing. It's like I have to engage a huge old-fashioned gear lever to get started with a big *choonk*. Once I'm in gear, I'm flying, and I can become quite a tyrant too, but normally I hate having to use it until it's necessary.
I can't speak for the Fi values for the other types, but I think there's a distinction that has to be made about its emotional impact, and that of Fe. Emotional impact is important for me, but it's not emotional impact on the group: it's guided by my values of authenticity and how it affects me personally, but also in INTJ style, how it will affect humanity as a whole (if applicable). [edit:] Sometimes the impact on the immediate group needs to be ignored for the betterment of humanity as a whole.
Yup, I'm definitely a TJ 😎
I have an INTJ sister (believe me I know, after months I’ve finally typed her definitively ) and for a while i thought she was ETJ but you explained well how Te is still so very important as their auxiliary. Amazing how much they just can start go getting when they need to.
Great video all round .
I Fi like your shirt Joyce 🥰
I felt that comment regarding having an Fi value of people and how it can confuse someone as having Fe.
Tbh, I come off very Fe when talking to people at first (mainly at work) but that's over 10 years of Customer Service/Sales and perfecting my own diplomacy, which would be my Te more (I'll throw in the Ni and Fi) as it was for a goal of surviving people-ing for a job. Still a wonderful skill set not typical of the TJ's.
I'm the most like my type when I am alone or focusing on something, I think.
Great video as always, girlie!
-Some Random INTJ
Love this series ❤
Love this, and would double-love the Fe version. I struggle to understand both Te and Fe most. This really helped me delineate some Ti vs Te preferences such as debate, reason for speaking thoughts/reason out loud, etc.
Nicely done! This is a valuable series for many given the unreliability of most testing methods. It is all too easy for someone to test as an X-user simply because they use X function frequently for whatever reason(s). So, a NOT list is a good idea.
My accountability partner is a tj and I learn so much from him. Have a ton of respect for these types
Several years ago I was typed as ISTJ, and this definitely confirms the TJ part - thanks!
Happy to help! :)
0/5. Great video. Thanks!
I thought u were rating the video at first 😂 & were being sarcastic lol
@@icanrelate Me too. Lol. I'm 0/5 too btw lol.
@@icanrelate Oh no, not at all! I thought the video was entertaining and informative and solidified my interpretation and conclusion of my own type.
At my job had to learn to put other people's needs 1st in order to become more successful at my job.
2/5 can relate - from INFJ
I see "journey v goal" as a false dichotomy. For example, my goal was to learn to play the drums just to prove to myself that I could make my limbs strike beats in patterns distinct from one another. I had no desire to be in a band or make money playing the drums. I had a goal of learning to ride a motorcycle because I wanted to overcome the childhood fear I had of riding one. Having accomplished these goals, I had no problem leaving the drums or my motorcycle. I had reached my goals. Some might say that because I did nothing with these accomplishments they were "journeys" as opposed to "goals". I saw these tests of my abilities as goals.
You are still ABSOLUTELY goal driven (regarding the examples you gave) with your own motive for learning : only as much as you wish and no more
Great video. I've been trying to decide if a relative is a TJ for some time. This made it very, very clear. They're not.
They're so cute when they say bye 😄
Yep, definitely not an INFJ. -INTJ
4:00serious question here: is this really not what everyone does? Like, what's the alternative? I cannot think of any..
Resource allocation!
Process vs goal
Ti as personal thinking process
Rational (unemotional) decision making in the direction of an objective using empirical data and the modeling of excellence used by people smarter than me. Decisions are basic math. Even taking care of peoples feelings is a simple formula based on the over arching goal.
How would ADD/ADHD effect a Te user?
I have a Te user in my family who has ADHD.
His Te lists are scrambled and patchy, making it hard to stay in a flow.
And when the ADHD procrastination kicks in, he's unable to complete or even start his to-do list.
I've wondered this too, as Te in examples gets associated with executive function a lot, so I'd think there's gonna be kind of a contradiction going on inside, some push and pull there.
My partner was recently told by a mental health professional that he has "ADHD tendencies". Have been wondering lately whether he's actually Te/Fi and not Ti/Fe as I originally thought (for multiple reasons, which I won't bore you with).
From an outside perspective, his ADHD seems to manifest in impatience and low boredom threshold. But I think it's these very qualities that make him so efficient in his job, and able to achieve much in a short space of time. I think he's capable of procrastination, but I wonder whether it just becomes another form of boredom to him, and the desire to just get on and do prevails!
0/5...Definitely not a TJ! Lol
I may do these things, but never as my main motivator (unless I feel forced to, and then I'd probably be in my shadow or in a grip at that time anyway).
As an INTJ my experience with tasks goes as following:
"Hey i need you to do this"
Me - "Ok"
*1 week later*
Me - "Oh yeah i havent done that thing" *finishes the task in 1 minute*
I feel like she misunderstood what Joyce meant a little bit by "resource management" and I appreciate Joyce advocating for us IJs :) I feel like that is a very specific cognitive task that is bracketed in some kind of larger context which doesn't require recruitment of the same neurobiological resources. for example, I manage a musician booking agency and I know which musicians will work great together even if they've never met before. I find this specific task to be very effortless for me. But as someone with ADHD, "task completion" in a general sense requires dopaminergic resources I don't always have, so a lot of my days, I spend presevring my energy and planning for the future without getting a whole lot done. This guest must be a ETJ haha. No matter how maxed out my mental resources are, I can get a sense of a system very quickly and see how to minimize cost and maximize efficiency. It's very much true that us IxTJs are very concerned with energy preservation. My ENTJ partner drives me crazy sometimes when he doesn't think before acting.
So he is no a ENTJ. ENTJ has Te as first function, Te is thinking.
Action is indicated by Se/Si.
ENTJ think before act.
INTJ has Se/Si very low.
So in a situation like the Titanic, the TJ's in the lifeboat would probably:
1. not stop to render aid to other boats, if expenditure of energy was prohibitive to survival... estimating that it might take 3 days for you to either perish or be rescued.
2. sacrifice person(s) first who were more likely to contribute less.
So should a more logical type that was not a TJ seek to eliminate the TJs on the lifeboat first, as life choices would be so limited that what they could possibly contribute to survivability as a result of their function stack was negligible?
What do you think the most common MBTI types were for the guards or Nazi commandants of death camps?
Resources? What resources? Plans what plans? You don’t make your decisions off of your heart? Or even your gut? Boxed in by a list? I use lists to survive not to get excited haha! Efficiency for thought sharing? Meeting a goal? Is that goal to connect the world with magical moon dust and love and harmony? What goal? When did we start playing a game with rules isn’t this just existence? What the holy trying to control things Batman? Breathe buddy breathe. Haha FP for eternity ;).
ENFP here! And yes exactly, only consider me on board if magical moon dust is part of this weird "end goal" you speak of. Love your comment btw 🤣
@@deborahooi6856 I had you at Holy trying to control thing Batman didn't I : ). ENFP's for infinity and beyond :).
"big to do list impossible"
Not exactly impossible... more a waste of time. The things that are worth doing will happen.
Te is not efficiency. Te users can accomplish a lot in a short time. They should just not forget that they often use the time of others for this. A lot of time can be wasted if they engage multiple people, especially in meetings instead of thinking it through themselves. Sometimes it takes only 1 hour to think it through themself instead of having an 1 hour call to collaborate with 4+ people using 4 hours in total. Effectiveness or personal efficiency fits the description better.
Who is the white girl she seems off the mark once in awhile and does not seem to add value at least in this video. I don’t like her tone and she isn’t trying to vibe with you.
Haha, I'm INFP, love INTJs, ISTJs, but ESTJs and and ENTJs are kind of annoying. I get by with INFP charm I guess. Poetry, even if it's just inside your head, can be better than Te things. Seriously, chill out, save the animals, stop chickening around so much. All these people driving around all the time thinking they're accomplishing something but just creating traffic and giving kids asthma.
Don't just follow stereotypes about them not all of them are like that, calm down
There's a place for every personality type. If everyone were "chill" nothing would get done.
@@icanrelate Just please do it for me and let me chill ffs
@@mec0013 ok :)
INFP the zero thinking skills strikes again.
Hey Joyce, I know you did this series about a year ago, but I've noticed that you did not (or have not) posted a video on your channel about the "5 signs you are an TJ", and I was wondering whether you were still intending to upload that video. If not, then I completely understand, and I can just say thank you so much for the ones you have uploaded, especially the one on Ti. It's my blindspot (according to socionics), but apart from that I just found it very hard to understand Ti, and so that video really gave me a good description of the key tenets of Ti. Thank you!!!