How Extroverted Thinking (Te) Types can be Lazy (INTJ/ENTJ/ISTJ/ESTJ)
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- I discuss how types known for efficiency can be lazy too.
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I’m not lazy I’m just highly motivated to do nothing
i'm not lazy i just physically can't get out of bed
I’m not lazy
You are
@@mat7083 ok
I like that definition
It isn't laziness. It is effort efficiency :P
Sounds like normal Te doublespeak to me :P
@@NoNamedNobody692 the difference is in getting shit done
Exactly. I sometimes think that this argument NEVER worked for me as a kid, even when it was true... at a certain point, I just got into the habit of thinking that way even if it wasn't, though. (INTP here, maybe that's what makes me a P?)
That's like putting salt on efficient and planned activity and calling it laziness lol. (Istp)
INTJ female here. OMFG this describes me so much. I never really thought of it this way but I procrastinate on boring job requirements because I know I will be able 'whip them out' when it gets to the zero hour. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Today, most work places do not incentivize getting things done fast. They pay you salary or by the hour to sit at your desk or at the work site for minimum 8 hours a day and the folks who can be efficient and work faster are punished because they either get their work done and sit around or there is always more work to be done and they don’t feel motivated to work quickly since they know they’re still gonna be stuck at work once the task is completed.
I would much rather work part time or on some sort or contract for this reason but unfortunately most serious and professional jobs out there aren’t like this. Honestly I would love to see the way work is done be improved because right now the slow workers are favored and the fast ones are unmotivated in my opinion.
@moon dust I bet that response took 5 brain cells
this. i hate having to slow myself down.
Ha, as a young ENTJ, can vouch lol. My family is absolutely convinced I’m lazy cause all they ever see me do is what I want to be doing. Fact is I can finish all the work for all my classes, all my jobs and chores in roughly 3hrs. Now admittedly it’s not usually the best job, but it’s certainly B’s or above in schoolwork and good enough to keep any major problems from arising.
My mom has just realized recently that I am results oriented. I don’t care how good the work is, or how hard I work, or how I get there so long as I get the desired results with less loss.
Another thing. I’ve noticed. I am more than willing to have things go badly and wind me in trouble so long as it means less work for me or it accomplishes a goal that I find worth the pain.
Im the same way bro
literally same, also entj
That's exactly me
as an INTJ myself, i call it CONSTRUCTIVE LAZINESS.
(or)
getting things done in THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER POSSIBLE.
So after doing the things, we can get back being busy with our mind :)
To draw a distinction, I think for Se (maybe high Ne too) this manifests as a sort of "I'll be able to improvise in the moment, so I can handle it then." Which may be somewhat true, but some tasks can only be rushed so much. It sounds like for Te (maybe Te-Ni combo in particular?) you're doing this thing of plotting it out in your head beforehand, which saves you a lot of time when you come to it. Not in details necessarily, but in wrapping your head around roughly what you're going to do with that time and how you're going to do it, so when you get there, there are few surprises and little need to stop and process new information.
Yes, you explained it perfectly at the end. I'm an ENTJ, and that's exactly how I do it.
I think about what I have to do in my head. And then there comes a point where I shit my pants, and I'm like "ok now I have to do it, or else I won't get the result." Then I just start and do it with little research because I already know how much and what I have to do.
Thank you! As an INTJ, the idea that you can get into a cognitive trap thinking you are lazy is extraordinarily relatable. I often feel that I am failing somehow when I put the absolute minimum time into things, but the reality is that during those short times I am able to accomplish a lot more than most people can in the same time period. I also realized that a lot of the time I am procrastinating because I know I will be able to get the work done no matter how close I get to the deadline; there's something in me that just clicks when I'm under a time pressure and it's easier to get the work done. I'm not sure that's the healthiest way to do it, it's just what I've noticed.
Also, another thought based on what you said about deadlines - I often find that it's also helpful to break something down into even smaller deadlines which I create for myself. For example, if I have to write an essay and it's due next week, I'll commit to having it halfway done halfway through the week. That sort of tricks my brain into a sense of urgency and creates a clearer picture of the timeline of my work as a sort of antidote to procrastination/prioritization of other things.
@@ParkerHorejs It's as if time doesn't exist until that final hour... then one *MUST* do the work, finish the paper, or failure will occur due to management of resources in the physical world (time).. and failure is not an option.
So that final hour becomes an extremely efficiency and focused chunk of time.
@@H41030v3rki110ny0u Exactly!
I think the meaning of laziness is more “wanna do nothing” rather than “not working hard” and that comes from fear of reality. So in my opinion in*j and en*p are the types that can be easily lazy in a general sense especially in*j.
All I can say is WOW! As an ENTJ female, I do operate the way you describe, and I did not realize that. I was thinking that I am unmotivated. In fact, I am averse to doing mundane chores that dont have a high purpose or a deadline. But when something has to get done and it is important or timely, I am on it! I feel so much more motivate when I have a goal and a schedule that I make to get it done in the steps that i need to accomplish it. I think this will help me with my work. Work smart, not hard!
Thanks for the tertiary Te shoutout! ESFPs definitely do this, as well. I need deadlines or else I’ll minimize the task as something I can just easily complete “later.”
Nice... Yep, having deadlines helps a lot.
Already setting personal deadlines, minimum time to study/read, ...
Works great. And results feel great.
I as an INTJ tend to schedule my tasks in such a way that I can get maximum done in the least amount of time.
I value economy of effort i.e I have to do things in short bursts of energy and then do my own thing which is retreating to my own room to be with my thoughts or reading or watching UA-cam videos.
When you are with your own thoughts, do you just tend to sit there or lay there thinking without looking at anything? My dad is ENTJ and he often sits in his chair and he says he is thinking. I never do this. I'm ESTJ
@@sweetbeepyeah since ur ESTJ you are a sensing type. N type usually have deep thoughts where S type like you need to experience something in the present with your 5 senses.
@@user-hv6rg7xw8t ok thanks.
Most of the time, I move because of a perceived deadline (and it stresses me out in the process of course), but I have trouble "inventing" my own deadline and brainwash myself into believing in it.
I don't feel happy when I complete something because it's just one thing in the ocean of things to do.
An analogy for it could be the leveling process in mmorpg : happy of the progress and rewards at the beginning, numb when you get to lvl 67 after farming and farming again because the promised satisfaction is at lvl 99, far away from where you are.
as an estj, i can sooo relate to that. your video was so helpful. bc i'm pretty sure i'm a Te dominant, i just have COMPLETELY other priorities than tge stereotypical estj and i always doubt if i were an estj and even videos about cognitive functions described high Te as incredibly workaholics. but i was always certain that i am indeed a Te dominant, i just use me Te ti maximize my freetime, bc i know that i usually dont need a lot of time for something bc idk i'm a pretty efficient and quick person. i prioritize my freetime due to my mental illness and no certain goals. and i also relate a lot to deadlines. no matter how close i was to a deadline, i could ALWAYS ace it. and the mentality und belief, that i am able to write a paper 8 hours before deadline made me basically god because i did turn it in even earlier than the deadline and got an A minus. also, i like feeling like god when i can manipulate my mind and time and somehow the teacher into the belief that i can do anything.
Well done, Chris. So insightful. 👍
Lazy, I like it.
People need to recognize me as lazier and stop my suffering of being unpaid labor on final class project.
People are always surprised when I say I can only work well under time pressure but that is a very good motivation...
Same here
You just explained something I was pondering about myself this week- why it's easier for me to get things done if I have a clear deadline. I'm an older INFP, and it's been surprising to find this hyper efficiency showing up in how I prioritize work lately. I am learning to set my own deadlines and not put things off even if I can. This video was very insightful.
The problem is that we are smart enough to not allow ourselves to be tricked, even by ourselves. So if we get too far ahead of our responsibilities, we then slack off. I think you touched on the critical point. It's about managing the weight of responsibilities. We need to do something, to keep it in a comfortable range. Which means not removing too much or too little responsibility at a time. It's hard to break the habit of over or under doing it. It's hard to let go of feeling so light while ahead, and so strong getting there. It's weird to shift less weight around, and it feels like a blow to the ego to not do so much. In practice it allows our fi a chance to add it's contribution to the conciousness of our subjective existence, and then, even se and the other unconcious functions. The ego is the volitional force due to an imaginary reward of some kind of Godship to make any function dominate, we do much better though, when we are free to use whichever one is most resourced at the moment. Even the weaker ones.
Even in track meets or marathons. Runners who near the finish line often ease up just prior to crossing. I doubt those folks are predominately intj's.
@@peaceonearth8693 I didn't make the transition from specifically applicable to generally applicable very clear in my writing, but it was intended.
@@tengdayz2 I get a message of variety in your original comment. I can only speak for myself. But I use a morning ritual, which transfers into an office hours ritual. Which is really just more of a uniform work ethic. I feel if one has a steady effort, perhaps this is a being in a zone mentality. I do the intj thing and lose track of time. Chugging along steadily, no lazy slowdowns and no bursts of speed. Probably 100% boring to an observer.
I call that my objective mode, and my question to you. Is have you noticed you needs some fi care to recharge it at some point in the week or day?
@@tengdayz2 You know, I only have the stereotypical understanding of the Jung types. I always test hard core intj, that's about all I know.
I'll try to answer though. I heard or settled on the idea that as long as you are working, you're not screwing up. And, it's when you're away from work is when you're going to get into trouble. Well, I seem to have taken this to the point of feeling anxiety when I'm not "being professional".
I was raised in that religious work-ethic thing and fundamental literalism though. No doubt I'm a head case on these things.
Man, in high school I used to stay up all damn night doing my homework. Some weeks I cumulatively got 4 hours of sleep... all week. Of course, in retrospect it didn't help that I took math & science classes as electives and put too much on my plate. But I definitely do not consider myself efficient. I consider myself thorough. Maybe it's Ti & Si partly, searching for just the right answer and wanting to learn everything, even if I'll never need it, Ne getting sidetracked with related tangents & multiple interpretations of the same question, but it really does take me forever to do a lot of things. I was also frequently the very last person to finish a test. I also frequently got the highest score and set the curve, but I always finished last, and even if I didn't I spent the rest of the period checking my work until the bell rang. People would say things to me like, "You're lucky you're so smart & it's so easy for you to understand this and get good grades," to which I would think (but not say) in response, "Ha! Easy? You have no idea how much effort goes into this... easy, my ass." Honestly, sometimes I just think I'm particularly "smart" at all, but I just put a lot of effort into understanding things because it's important to me. I am not a fast reader either. I probably actually read pretty slow. But I consume massive amounts of information and read the same thing over and over again until it makes sense to me.
As for the phrase, "At your convenience," what's funny about that is I think that phrase actually motivates me to do it faster. It might be an Fe valuing thing, but the fact that it's a nice way to ask, rather than demanding, and respects my autonomy, makes me want to oblige faster. Perhaps it's also knowing that "at your earliest convenience," could be pure Fe anyway, and it could be masking the person's desire to have it done quickly, purely for the purpose of being polite. Maybe Fe PoLR types don't get that. But either way, if someone acts demanding and impatient, it really just makes me want to give them the middle finger and walk away.
Deadlines only help me when they create a pure adrenaline surge before the deadline to help me get it done last minute. Realistically, I know I'm not gonna plan around a deadline. Ambiguous deadlines actually create situations in which it's easier to talk your way out of a late penalty and into getting extra time. lol
I've actually never really associated Te with laziness though. That tendency to put reality on the backburner and come up with excuses for why you can't get it done is something I associate more with low Se, especially Se inferior & PoLR (INxJ & INxP). As a non-Te-user, what I see more with Te types is what comes across to me as a tendency to cut corners or use Te heuristics "shortcuts to thinking" that, from my perspective, sometimes results in mistakes or oversights. I also sometimes see TJs being seemingly unaware of how their personal Fi preferences influence their goals and sense of prioritization. Same thing happens with FPs, but they are more aware of their Fi and honest with themselves about how they rationalize what they are doing. And yes, of course, this is from my own perspective -- the perspective of someone who takes forever to do everything. So keep that in mind when I describe people "rushing" or "cutting corners;" it's relative to perspective.
wao that school part hit hard bro😭😭.. same i am a ti user mayne an istp it feels the same
This is an excellent video! I definitely fall into both the laziness trap and the deadline trap that you described.
I'm book marking this video. I have my work so streamlined that I work much fewer hours than my colleagues to accomplish the same work. I've learned that I get more done myself than if I hired someone else to do it for me. Because of this, I have a lot of free time to read or think or whatever, and I start to feel guilty because I'm not "doing" or "accomplishing" something important.
You should make a video about introverted thinking and other functions like you did introverted intuition and introverted sensing since your description of functions is very insightful.
Thank you for this. I love Dr. K and HealthyGamerGG in general as well as your channel. We high Te users are seen as workoholics especially my type (ENTJ), but I can procrastinate like a fair bit. Maybe in my case it’s my third slot Se that makes me do this so I usually try to avoid it when getting tasks done. I’m still a junior in high school and have a lot to learn but I can only hope that I grow more mature as I get older. Or maybe that’s useless wishful thinking
Since you're a junior in high school. I bet there's a cool personal dialog that has gone into your being Black Swordsman. I mean if you are super nerdy it could just symbolize a black fountain pen? lol. Or, perhaps there's a funky soundtrack that could be played as a theme song for this name? Back in the day (as even today's nerds should be well aware), there was the Black Knight through whom none shall pass!
@@peaceonearth8693 it’s from this manga called Berserk you might know of it. The main characters (Guts) nickname is the “Black Swordsman” and I think that’s badass. And my pfp is Askeladd from Vinland Saga. These two aren’t your regular anime they’re in the genre of Seinin so they’re geared towards a more mature audience. They have really well written characters and a philosophical theme to the story. It’s very interesting and would recommend it to anyone who’s trying to get into anime
@@loworochi Those inspirations are as good as any. I'm pretty sure if I was your age I'd be heavily into anime. But, at my age - it would seem a little creepy to anyone who might discover my stash of Lupin the 3rd. :-D
@@peaceonearth8693 I think anime transcends age f what people think if you enjoy something you should enjoy it. And I’ve heard of Lupin the 3rd (it’s pretty old I assume but that doesn’t matter as I’ve seen old works like DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho)
One thing ive noticed with Te is that even if you can do something quick (or combine what seems like 5 tasks into one) and not in a procrastination mode as in you ‘feel like you’re lazy’ , just leads into jumping into the next task/project. So it can be endless doing doing doing. It still amounts to doing something 4x faster than most people. If you don’t have a sense of time then you can truly feel like you did ‘nothing’ bc you ‘forget’ that you just did 10 different things in the last hour. I see this as one version of Te playing out.
This video provides clarity into why I behave as I do. Thank you 😊
Thanks for this video, I definitely needed this type of insight. I usually complete my tasks fairly quickly and then tend to feel guilty for doing "nothing" even though the outcome is just as good as someone else's who needed more time to do the same thing
This scheduling is how I handle the majority of my life when my work isn’t taking all my hours away. All tasks on this one day as soon as I get up and done usually within a few hours for the week. But for the last month I’ve had to pull mega OT at work and haven’t had any me time whatsoever for my stuff or mental recharge so I haven’t been able to fit these types of schedules in in awhile. :(
As someone who prefers Ti than Te, I was always puzzled why we live in a world where there need to be deadlines when it doesn't matter if you finish the task before or after the deadline. If you told me 'finish this task by monday', I would hate it. If you told me 'finish this task because event X can't happen without it' or '..because team B can't work properly without it', then I can accept it because that makes sense. Great vid!! Enlightning...
Just watched almost all your videos. Your understanding is very helpful and fascinating. I suggest to do videos on all cognitive functions...like definitions. Keep up!
(ENTJ) I think I've developed actual laziness because I've gotten so used to doing the things I WANT to do most of the time. I'm in my final year of law school and work that usually take my colleagues days almost always take me one night, so I usually put it off until the last few hours before my deadline. I just seem to waste the days others seem to need relaxing because I have nothing I feel is absolutely necessary.
Lol i know you posted this comment almost 2 yrs ago 😂 but i totally understand that (also ENTJ). I can get something done in a fraction of the time compared to others, albeit i take shortcuts and honestly probably should be more thorough at the task. However, because i have this underlying anxiety where if i have something i KNOW i need to have done even if i have a lot of time given to finish it, i MUST do it now as if i didn't. Often i just do something the moment it pops up on my "mental feed", regardless if i actually want to do it or not. But i find especially if it is something i don't want to do, i want to get it over with. I'm not sure why that is but i just feel a lot better having known i already got it all done early. Like in college i wasn't the smartest person however i seemed to always be the first to turn in my assignments-- especially ones that have a blueprint laid out for it like an essay prompt. Often my professors would look at me like did you even understand the assignment/do it right?, however i always got easy 90s and 100s. 🤷♀️ if we are still talking about conventional college though, i dropped out after a year simply because i found the routine boring and often limiting in ways (meaning, i didn't agree with how the professors wanted me to a certain task), and rather going into debt id rather go out and make that money now 😂 but apart from all of that, i still think im super lazy. I always feel like i could or should do more.
Love these even more 'abstract' discussion of cognition lately!
Pretty much same as a Ti dom, and assume there's some overlap with all T-types to some degree. I talked about this a bit on Joyce's INTJ-Ti vid. I noticed at a young age that I was looking for efficiency. As a kid, Chores seemed like such a waste (Maintenence of almost anything still does to me), and I received a lot of social feedback when I tried to push those lines. I somewhat think that this might be how a very young Tx-preference kid might differentiate Ti into Te (AKA their preference), in relation to Fi vs Fe. Plus I was always on the look-out (data gathering/Ne) for something I could use or apply to the pending task, AKA procrastination.
That's also, more or less, why I know I'm an INTP rather than an INTJ. It's basically only the outside social pressure I feel/perceive that makes me motivated to actually perform or finish tasks, etc. Otherwise, I'd prefer to just stay in that wide-net and possibility ocean of temptation forever, given my own preferences. (And that's fairly unhealthy to always lament there, I think.)
Holy sh!t… as an INTJ who ended up getting a chemical engineering degree, I put EVERYTHING off until it NEEDS to be done and that makes so much sense now. Gonna start deadlining everything.
This is a fantastic explanation. I work from home and honestly work drastically fewer hours than the 40 I’m paid for, but thankfully my boss cares most about the job getting done rather than the hours I used to spend sitting in my cubicle passing time. This way I can do the job that some coworkers have spent more than 40 and still struggle to keep up. I’m good at prioritizing and am extremely efficient. One of my teenagers recently told me she was under the impression I only work 2 days a week lol. One of my teenagers recently told me she thoughtI only work 2 days a week lol. I have felt guilty and lazy at many times, and value consistent feedback from my boss so I can keep those doubts at bay. The doubts would never make me do more actual work, I’m just cramming 40 hrs worth of work into 20 so I need to do other things for a mental break. My in-office bosses never quite understood that. They needed to see a body there.
I always felt I had this problem as an intj, however online university due to covid has seriously exposed it. Thanks for this!
100% true. Esp it is so relieving once the task is checked off the list. But yes when I know it can be done in lesser time, I surely will prioritise things that I actually love doing and keep other work for the end. Also right about the deadline thing. I'm the fastest in doing things that either is of my interest or has a nearer deadline or is an immediate deliverable. :D Thanks for the video
I'm INFJ and I'm highly efficient and procrastinate as you described yourself. Nice videos that you do. Toda Raba תודה רבה.
After doing research I considered myself as an INTP. However this idea of (Te) procrastination and laziness has always affected me in my life and made me reconsider. I'm often so organised or efficient that I sometimes disregard and devalue certain tasks or goals.
Wow! You explain me so well.
Nice video 🤙🏼
I've been meaning to watch this all afternoon. I'm just too lazy man. :-/
Me, to my elder sister, the day before the exam: "I wanted to finish the assignment at least one day before the deadline. But see, I haven't finished one-third yet; the deadline is tomorrow!"
My elder sister: "This have been you, always. You always do this, and ultimately manage to complete all of it by the eleventh hour. It's nothing new."
The video is so meeee. I didn't study at my dormitory and slept all day long. Therefore my neighbors thought that I am lazy and F grader. But actually I do hometasks at college and on the way to college. In every single minute, that I spend at college I do hometasks, future hometasks. And I usually did nothing at dormitory. And actually I didn't sleep all day long, I just scheduled my time like: I come to dormitory and sleep immediately 7 hours then I wake up at 2 am and do whatever I want. And when online education was started my groupmates always struggled they used to spend 24/7 to hometasks, lessons. I always woke up at 3-4 am and completed my tasks till 9 am and did whatever I want all day long.
INTJ, and this is *exactly* why my PhD took forever. It wasn't just bigger than any project I had done before that, it was also the first writing project where I didn't have an official deadline. *Really* bad combination.
What was it in
@@17x71 You mean what I wrote about? It's a PhD in Philosophy, and I wrote about the debate between Karl Marx and Max Stirner.
@@tarvoc746 hmm very impractical degree huh. Disappointing. It's ok though. You're probably ennea 5w4 fixie. What's your take on their types. Best guess at least
@@17x71 Marx was a pretty clear-cut ENTJ with strong auxiliary Ni and a dominant Te that constantly went overboard (which this debate is actually a great example for). As for Stirner, I've seen lots of people online who type him INTP for some weird reason, but he has no Ti whatsoever and his form of individualism is pure Fi. I type him INFP or ENFP, with INFP being more likely, simply because many people who knew him said he was a really calm, silent guy. My third guess for him would be INTJ in a deep Ni-Fi loop, though I think that's a real stretch.
@@tarvoc746 wow great analysis. Thanks. I'll bookmark that debate. Don't mind the lot of people online. They don't know what they're talking about. Their particular typing of him being Ti most definitely has to do with the enormous number of Fi Dom's/INFP's thinking they're INTP's themselves.
I remember when you said to me, it’s unusual to see a disorganized, messy and yeah lazy ENTJ 🧐🤪 thanks for this video it makes more sense now. Until I have the clear Te go at lest enough to try and see if work I’m not doing it.😂😂 energy consumption vs % of success ratio.
Its laziness, its just living your life efficiently
INxJ : I am not lazy, I just ddidn't plan to do it now.
We have more important things to do, as you tell it so well : "because it's not a priority right now."
It's all or nothing for me.
For example, Tuesday, I returned to my temporary work to do 4 things :
take restaurant tickets, give something to a coworker, ask another coworker to give me the change I lent, talk to another coworker about a specific thing.
I will not move somewhere to do or buy only one thing.
Plan the most efficient way to do all the things, by spending less time and energy as possible.
I will not : Day 1 do thing A, Day 2 do thing B, Day 3 do thing C
I will : Day 4, do things A B C D, and rest the others days.
I ENTJ sometimes procrastinate because I know I can do it easily later lol my brain is optimizing energy
ENTJ female here. This makes soo much sense! At work because I have it all planned out I get it done real fast and because I'm done with whatever I was doing for that week I think I'm lazy not doing more. The only problem is that I'm not going to start a project that I can't finish in the time frame I need. I'll wait until there is more time to start and finish that project. I've felt awful about not being good enough when really I'm doing everything fast. Also, if there is a deadline I don't usually wait for the last hour. I usually get whatever done ASAP so I can focus on what I want to focus on. Is that a difference for the ENTJ and the other types who dont have Te in the first slot?
Totally true. Beware of the trap part folks. Would you say apart from procrastinating over a task Te people can also change the task? Sometimes I am assigned to do X, but, maybe for the sake of avoiding boredom/ambition, I can go way deeper than what has been requested.
I relate to this. I dislike sensory tasks... heavily. But I also don't like chaos. So i perfect my timing in every matter, I don't waste time when I have to do these tasks... I just get it done efficiently and above par.
My issue is feeling guilty for rushing people and looking lazy cause I've already completed my tasks.. the people in my life spend SO much longer completing tasks... As I'm chilling.. so I then often take on other people's "tasks" cause I can do it quicker and efficiently.
I won't do things unless it's a deadline or something important to me.
I really relate to this video, alas I type as an INFJ.
Above par, lol.
- ESTJ
@@sweetbeep why is that funny...
@@ChantelStays ..sorry, I can't explain it. Just seems so far from what an ESTJ would prefer I guess.
We can can we haha just kidding. I agree and want to hear what you have to say. ENTJ
You should check out my Fallout: New Vegas control scheme... all played via my mouse for maximum relaxation and minimum physical input.
Mouse 4/5 VATS/Interact
Middle mouse = Auto-run/stop run
The lazy-efficiency wins again.
Funny thing that happened with me is that i had to develop a game with a group for a school project and it had a deadline for i think 3 months from then, problem is that 4/6 of the group didnt have computers to work on the game at home so we had to develop it at school (when i say we i mean me and one other person from the group because everyone else lost the motivation to work on it), some work there and there and the deadline is 1 month away, since i didnt have much time i said "well, fuck this ima do this whole thing myself", and so i did, in that single month the game went from a unfinished game with 3 screens and no textures to a full game with 24 screens, 3 levels, texture, enemy behavior, music, sound, ambience, mechanics, secrets and alternate paths
and i did all that in a single month, by myself
I have a hard time doing things I don't want to do, but I can write a 10 page paper in 3 hours. I do all the research the day it's assigned and write it the night before it's due. I get bored easily, I have all these things I want to do but never do any of them
True as an INTJ when I get homework or recorded lectures with deathlines there's no problem but if it's like they send it and the only deathline is the test I end up doing it or watching the day before at the 2x speed so like the video is 40 minutes I watch it in 15
It really is a fun art form
Te = convenient beliefs (what the majority of people think)
Fi = personal values (not moral values)
What's your describing as lazy is actually depression, where a person has difficulty caring about their own well being as a result of exhaustion. Laziness is actually just the "lack of care" to deal with things because you'd "rather focus on anything else".
Te as a primary or secondary is all about convenience and is lazy in the sense that it ignores the reality of any particular subject (Ti facts) in favor of Fi. Which in turn is just a lack of care for any particular objectivity. Which is why Te focuses on the bare minimum.
That's why they focus or what everyone else thinks, based on some level of authority, set around what common beliefs (teachers are popular opinions/misconceptions).
Don't be mistaken:
Fi (personally valuable) primary or secondary doesn't work the same. It's about being themselves in disregard for truth (Ti facts), in favor of social recognition because of Te.
sooo true
In short: Te people do tasks faster, so they rest more and appear lazy
I encounter a sort of working class prejudice where achievement means suffering to get things done, as if it is a virtue. I prefer to organize and plan what I need to do beforehand with a sound method, so the work is effortless in the moment, and I can just go without much worry about it. As this means more mental load upfront, and making changes to a process before I start if I’ve learned it is not a very good one as it is, then I get accused of laziness because I’m not just “doing a task harder”, where saying it is inefficient is an “excuse not to work”. It reminds me a bit of Boxer from Animal Farm... but, would that would make me like Snowball? 🤔 Uh oh. 😅
How do you think this relates to ixfp types? I also really need deadlines but can get a lot done when I focus.
Agree
Deadlines: how is it different from procrastination?
Is it bec us intjs, having a deadline we can plan ahead, schedule and divide time efficiently vs ones who are into deadlines but procrastinate when deadlines are near?
thats what made me misstyped for the longest time
Which types are more prone to being absent minded?
I'm not lazy it's just sometimes I cba to finish my
me clicking on this title being like 'hehe'
I am so sorry for asking this unrelated question:
Are we the majority of INTJs promiscuous readers, in the sense that we start many books at the same time, and that we have many just started and others that we have not decided for years to finish?
;:)
"Promiscuous readers?" Lol. Like, you really "get around" with all the books? 🙃 At first I thought you meant "prolific readers," but based on what you describe, "promiscuous" could actually fit, in a figurative sense.
I actually always thought of starting a lot of endeavors at the same time and not finishing most of them as either an Ne or Se thing; Ne if it's chasing many disparate ideas, Se if it's bouncing around from one physical activity to another. So starting a lot of books and never finishing them sounds Ne to me. I always imagine types with strong Si or Ni actually finishing books, though Te/Fi types may flip to only the relevant part of the book they need and not read the rest. But maybe my impression is wrong.
I think what you are describing could actually be a low Se phenomenon, insofar as the failure to actually get shit done and not actually acting on the impulse to pick up a book and read more when you have the urge, instead getting distracted by thoughts in your head. Or, if you are an INTJ, maybe it's an inferior Se "grip" behavior, kind of an unhealthy use of Se, being pulled in too many directions with no focus. Just throwing out ideas.
When you use your xxxJ strengths too far, it's that moment you mistype as a stereotypical xxxP type.
How dare you expose us like this.
Thumbnail: Actual footage of asura, but edited to show the night sky instead of Apex Legends.
infp employee: i don't care about the result , entj boss: wait what did you say? Computer can't compute, shuts down.
@moon dust they exist?
@moon dust one thing to be competitive and success oriented, the other thing is pulling it off. Imagine having the need to be succesfull, but not having the tools (order of cognitive functions, inferior Te) to pull it off, wouldn't be suprised if such a person becomes narcissistic. Would be interesting to hear what AsuraPsych thinks about this.
What do you think Asmongold's type is? CS Joseph typed him INTP based on that same exact video with Dr. K
I know you're not asking random passersby, but personally, he comes across as high Te to me in his public persona. I remember watching some of this stream of his, for example, about WoW's report system and how heavily it centered around this idea of him sternly showing people the evidence of it being messed up and experimenting with it in real time to prove his point too, and just hammering home the point while fielding objections to his claim in real-time. And the crux of it was basically all about how WoW wasn't telling the truth about how their report system works and how it didn't function in the way it was claimed to function. Could be a mix of Te effectiveness and Fi authenticity irritation going on there, along with the energy and improvisation of presentation, suggesting either Se or Ne as the driving function, with a shifting interplay between Te and Fi in the middle. So possibly ESFP or ENFP who leans into Te to navigate the "being intense and stern makes you the manliest of man" bro bro landscape of a video game like WoW. Idk if any of that read of it applies to who he actually is cognitively though; maybe just putting on a show in that kind of circumstance. It could also be interpreted as Ti wanting to set the record straight for the sake of it, I spose, though Ti generally doesn't seem to be both that intense and that demonstrative in doing such in real-time.
What would you type asmongold as?
Honestly he's one of the hardest people I've tried to type in my spare time. If you watch his second channel or streams you can see "asmongold" is very much so a persona and he's quite different off stream.
Probably an IxTP of some kind but some wierd part of me thinks he could be some wierd ISTJ or something haha. His memory and recollection for details and events is exceptional and he doesn't really have the awkward low Fe most IXTPs have (though that could just be from years of streaming). Either way, I think he's a brilliant guy.
Relying on gut feelings and vague descriptions of functions is not a reliable way to understand the functions. Relying on your emotions and your capacity to resonate with the material will only get you so far, but you won't be guaranteed to understand it fully. That's why, instead of unreliable emotions and gut feelings, it's better to follow the interpretation of Ausra Augusta which she saw the functions as aspects of reality! Not simply just letters. This is further confirmed by Dario Nardi research in neuroscience. Some types perceive the world differently because they focus on different brain regions and aspects of reality than others!
Also, you can't rely on unfinished material since the conclusions will also risk to be false. The MBTY is as unfinished as you can get! We need to get deeper into things. Otherwise, it would be of no value to us to know about Te that's about efficiency, but without knowing how it works, and how we can take direct responsabilty of those inner mechanisms so that we can efficiently employ its use.
The point of MBTY and Typology in general is to have a map. But not a blurred map that makes you to go in traps. No! The point of it is to have a detailed map so you won't have surprises and so you would be able to deal faster with the problems that may appear.
You can't do this with a half done map! The half of it which is also covered in mud and disgusting errors and contradictions that make it useless.
The point of typology should also be to find a way to became all personalities, aka reaching the transcendent function of which Jung talked. Not only on being limited by your worthless type. You have to recognize that an intuitive introvert only with Ni or Ti, it's worthless without his other pole. The strength of the function is given by the strength of the whole pair combined. As such, it means that we are really weak in reality and that we need to find a way to enhance this system so we can find a way to unlock this much needed ability.
PS: You didn't responded to my last comments. At least you could have said that I'm wrong without giving any reasons. It would have worked too.
A lazy doer?
😳
This isn't Te. Moreso intuition. Very very opposite for xSTJ's.
What cognitive function makes estps so funny and hilarious.They don't have intuition.
:sus
Also,your "really lazy" person sounds depressed......
Holy sh!t… as an INTJ who ended up getting a chemical engineering degree, I put EVERYTHING off until it NEEDS to be done and that makes so much sense now. Gonna start deadlining everything.