“We rarely see people hold MUSLIMS and people of other faiths to the expectations they hold us Christians to. *Who is calling for Islam to embrace gay marriage? Who is calling for the Quran to be updated to modern norms? Yeah, I thought not. It is at the same time patronising to people of others faiths and intolerance toward Christians. Shame!* But in the words of St Athanasius of Alexandria: “If the world is against the truth, then I am against the world” -Rev. Calvin Robinson
The reason, I think, people don't go after Islam and the quran, is it's already false gospel. They go after the Bible because it IS the true Word of God.
Your point might be valid if a large population of Muslims were trying to promote sharia law be the law of the land in the US. Of course Christians would be horrified at that. People trying to push their religious beliefs on others and enshrine it into law - no thanks. If you understand that, then now you understand why Christianity in America gets the resistance it does. The rest of us don't want your religion just like you don't want other religions.
People in the West are calling for every religion to recognize the right of LGBT people to get married to whomever they wish. If you care about freedom then you hsve to support the right to people to make decisions you disagree with.
@@Gek1177what do you mean by " you have to support"? And to what extent must I support it? Must I support a murderers choice to murder or is it just people's sex life I must support? Must I support a pedos sexual preferences?
In the latter days...they will call good evil and evil good....what's up is down.Just another sign that you're living in a very....rare time.The sand in the hourglass is about to be empty.
The only thing that’s running low on time is Christianity’s relevance as a religion 😂 Young people don’t care about religion to hardly the same degree as some of you old clowns. The only religious imagery I have in my apartment where me, my gay harem, and our girlfriends live (and no children to annoy us, thank the devil) is a statue of Satan from the Satanic Temple. We don’t have to convert. This is how people want to live now. ❤ Frankly, public schools don’t promote us like the news makes them out to. We get our followings online. I was converted by furries who showed me I could channel my animal self by denying the spirit. As a raccoon I’m granted immense power at night when the angels can no longer see. Do you know why furries dress up like cartoon Disney characters? How else would we hide our true forms? 😂 It’s not even a secret. Y’all just refuse to listen. Our plan has been clear and on the table for decades, hun. The ball got rolling centuries ago. The Magna Carta was our founding document. Now we have free love, elections open to all, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom to congregate. It’s wonderful, isn’t it? No reason for us to hide anymore 🏳️🌈 The war is lost. May Satan keep you company as your world darkens. ❤👹
Imo, Frank is simply meaning that everything would be much easier and we wouldn't have these discussions (arguments) over same sex marriage almost constantly nowadays it seems. It causes a some people a lot of concern and distress. Sometimes those differences even lead to someone being injured or even dead. Just my take.
Well read into it what you want. However he is just reiterating that it would be nice to live the way we want with who we want but Bible (God's Word) speaks against such practices and Frank said time and time again this aint him saying what the standard is, God set the standard. It doesnt matter what Frank thinks should be right, wrong, morales. Cuz he aint God.
Virtually every pastor, theologian, and teacher of the "Word" has their least favorite passages of scripture and have absolutely no problem sharing this. Some have gone as far as volunteering that they wish certain passages did not exist in our Bible.
I feel this is coming from a place of love and empathy. We must remember that the ultimate goal is to bring people back to God so the first step is to show that we understand the struggle of sin and helping speaking from the viewpoint of someone with that struggle. Dr. Frank shows a lot of humility and wisdom with the response knowing that we are all sinners, even himself
@allysman That does not make it the proper way to teach or cover those passages of scripture.... we are called to be holy.. to be like Christ... not to be a part of this world... in any way... how are you a light in this world for Christ if you're saying you wished GOD'S WORD condoned SIN.... Sin that separates us from God...???
“I wish scripture did say what Matthew Vine says.” Such strange thing for a Christian to say. ‘I wish the truth was this other thing and not what God actually says.’
I'm not a Frank apologist and I felt strange when he said it, but I realized what he's trying to say is that often times as Christians we want things we ought not want. Paul made a similar statement in Romans 7: 15, 18-19, " I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. . . For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing." We have a nature that genuinely wants to do the things that are popular in the world. We really do want the things that go against God's will, but that's how we know that we have a sinful/fallen nature. My desire for evil should awaken in me a desperate need of Christ.
@@eagle5818 no I understand that But if that was in the Bible We would all agree that isn’t the word of god That it was put by someone or the devil to make their sick beliefs public But when it’s Christianity it’s different
Only the Bible give true and accurate information about our beginnings and how we are to live. God created us so His laws and commandments are true and good🙏
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Which is less moral: 1. 2 people of the same sex who love each other Or… 2. A god who executed/butchers people who are gay Pretty clear to me. One is love the other is violence
@@lawrenceeason8007 so you skip the question because you knew your question was false. Did GOD create Adam and eve with lust or did there sin open them up to it?
@@lawrenceeason8007 I will also answer your moral delema in which you lied. GOD hasn't hurt any homosexuality people unless you have evidence. Those people died in their sins
@@larzman651 sin isn’t a designer. So this doesn’t have anything to do with my question here. I’m asking here which is more moral…2 gay people who love each other or a god who slaughters them
such an excellent response to the question. Cultural norms of the secular world have twisted the foundations of our society. Thank you Frank for ministry in this area.
@@JadDragon Only stop when Christianity proves to be real, or everyone moves on from harmful dogma. By the way cross-examined needs all of us for them to stay relevant.
Marriage isn't a convenant between two people but a convenant between a woman(female) and a man(male) according to the Only Holy Book in the world : The Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ loves you and He wants you in His Kingdom.
This was a really good answer. And I like the mention that for two thousand years nobody thought Scriptures said this, but when you said a hundred years ago, I could already hear the counter argument that up until a similar time people claimed that slavery was ok in the scriptures. Of course it doesn't, as people who were pro slavery were just looking for any sign and saw mere mentions of slavery existing and accepted that as a stamp of approval. But the point would still stand that for nearly two thousand years many people believed it did, and who's to say in the future christians and biblical scholars will change their mind about what is says about same sex relations, if they changed their mind on what it says about slavery? What would be your response to that?
@@ch44227 Leviticus 25:44-46 "“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." That's just one of many verses
Frank changing his language from “attraction” to “behaviour” shows the culture has gotten to popular apologetics in a bad way. The scriptures do not approve of same sex ATTRACTION. Lessening that to “behaviour” suggests that people don’t have the ability to, if not outright change, than stunt what is attractive to them. This is a huge mistake, especially considering Jesus told us our thoughts are primary, and preconditions to our actions, and our actions are actually a reflection of our thoughts. If we want to teach homosexuals the way to God, we cannot be convincing them they have no choice but to be attracted to whatever nature or the culture has convinced them of. We ought to be teaching them they can change their attractions with the help of God, and if God will not outright change them, he can certainly stunt them.
@KelvinLin-y1m Your comment is pure nonsense. Stating that homosexuality starts in the womb (wtf) and blaming chemicals. You don’t have a clue, and homosexuals won’t tell you. It’s what happened to them early in life. Siblings, parents and society all play a role. And themselves.
I love Frank but you have to be careful in saying things like "personally I wish........." That is an open admission that your own desire is completely contrary to God's ordained order and nature. I understand why he's saying it, but we need to be careful not to say 'it's all God's fault'. That is Genesis 3 talk.
Idk that Frank would’ve called it a “fault” of God, either implicitly or explicitly. I do think he makes statements that show his humanity, and how he doesn’t always see things the way God clearly does, but he still brings it back to the Bible is his authority, not himself. So I don’t see a problem with that, personally.
The Apostle Paul's "Personally I wish..." Hint - we are not perfect, we all have desires that are not holy and need to be controlled. Romans 7:13-20 13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
You latched on to that phrase, but ignored the more important things he said afterward, like "God is a lot smarter than I am" and following God's authority instead of our own. In our flesh, there's a lot of "wishes" when it comes to what Scripture prohibits. This shows me why God is perfect and we're not- and doesn't make me view Frank in any lesser light. I applaud honesty.
@@BoScotty and the next bit is 'desperately wicked'. I already said that I love Frank and his work. He's a warrior and I've learnt a lot from him. The point I made stands though and I don't believe that Frank does wish things were 'otherwise', in reality. I think it's his caveat to avoid a load if this sort of thing, which I understand. But we need to be careful. How about if a person sympathised with child molesters or murderers? Should they wish God did too? Of course not. There are things we KNOW to be wrong, no matter how much brain washing goes on. We should conform to God and not wish he conformed to us. That is crafting a God of our own image and nobody wants a God that is anything like me. You can take that to the bank.
I struggle with obesity, but i know that is a sin. Ultimately its not up to me to decide whether this on my own because over eating "feels good." The same goes for any passion. We are not sinning because we have the temptation, but when we abide by that temptation. We all have our struggles, and the wrong way to go about it is to try and justify our sin.
I don't struggle at all with obesity. I keep getting fatter every year. I am quite skilled at it. Look, there is no such thing as sin. If you realize that obesity is not healthy for you, try to find support from your loved ones and seek professional help to conquer it. I wish you the best. Now go walk a mile!!😊 Peace.
Blew me away he phrased it like that, should have at least clarified. And while I understand what he might have been hinting at, God's word should change our attitude towards sin and disobedience. Of course we have a natural aversion to His commands and conviction, but our minds should then be changed to agree with His standards on everything. For example, I originally wished the Word was accepting of my alcoholism and lust. But I came to see it was my mind that needed to change, not God's word. We go from hostility, to acceptance, to affirmation. We can cut Frank some slack, but we can also admit it was dangerous to word it like he did, especially considering how it was likely understood by the crowd.
Because it's hard. Why does that desire exist in the first place? Frank wishes the bible just left it open so we could go back to learning about the word of God instead of focusing on sexuality and such.
Why would it be hypocritical lol. We can know what God decrees and want differing things. Would you really be made if hell was not eternal or if Christological universalist were right?
"It's a cultural phenomenon". The idea that a loving gay relationship is wrong entered Christian culture around 70 years ago as a conflation between preexisting theology about all non-reproductive secs being a sin - which protestants now reject - and the newly discovered trait called homoxesuality which was assumed to be a mental illness - which science now also rejects. "Last 2000 years" is either ignorance or deceit. Homoxesuality is a newly discovered phenomenon. There is no Christian tradition on the issue before mid 20th cent. The concerns in the early church were secs with boys and feminization of a man who takes a submissive role in the act. Since medieval times, the concern was all non-reproductive acts including between husband and wife. Nothing to do with same-secs relationships being intrinsically wrong.
@kinggenius930 they want to justify it because they know it's wrong. The natural morals God gives you goes against it. You never hear anybody ever justifying feeding the needy, or helping a grandma across the street. The simple fact that people spend justifying it... proves they know it's wrong
But no God ever said anything in a way that wasn't influenced by people who wrote about that. People telling stories isn't the same as a God saying something. There exists no direct communication from any God. It's always people telling stories. It's reckless to say that a God said something when it's really about what people have written about.
There are already many testimonies of born-again SSA people, who confirmed, that God revealed to them, that it is sin. Anyone saying the opposite is not born-again. They just quote scriptures. Those didn't have an encounter with the living God.
You do not know that people who argue for SSA are not born again based on this alone because this doesn't encompass the fruit of the Spirit, by which we DO know that someone is born again. If it is a sin, then it falls into sin just like anything else that is sinful: adultery, murder, covetousness, etc. Yes it is a reality that when we are clothed with Christ's righteousness that we are dead to sin, but as you, Paul, and all of our brothers and sisters know, we still have to turn from it (some days more often than others). Better to say that they are potentially deceived until you know for sure what's really going on with them.
@@Mairiain naa, you can't say, they are deceived. That is blasphemy territory. All of those people had encounters with God. You would know that, if you studied the character of God. Jesus is THE ONLY truth, whoever is not for him, is against him. For people it's impossible, for God nothing is impossible. Only God changes people. That's the power of God. If i were you, i would be VERY sorry for the borderline blasphemy.
When one says that God is the authority, one is saying that one's subjective interpretation of Scripture is God's intended interpretation, making it objectively true. Does anyone else see a logical problem here?
Yeah. That's a weird statement. He's said it before. He's bending to the will of the culture while not breaking (in his mind). I really wish he'd stop saying that. Stand firm on the word of God.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable How is it weird to wish sin wouldn't stand in the way between God and us? Of course he knows God is the authority of morality, but we are fundamentally flawed, I don't think it's stange at all to wish that our flaws wouldn't be so damning. There's a good number of people, who would probably find their way to Christ if that particulary temptation wasn't an issue. Of course that sentiment could be extended indefinitely until we have the liberal God of all mercy no judging, but coming from our perspective I think it's only natural to feel that way.
@@jayhill2193 Because it's weird to say that you wish a sin was not a sin. Would you find it odd if I said that I wish lying wasn't a sin? What about idol worship?Or how 'bout Adultery? Because that's what Frank inadvertently said. God knows what's best for us. He didn't decide which things are sins and which aren't based in something arbitrary. He decided that harmful things are sins. Why would you wish that a harmful thing was not a sin? Now, if you want to go back to the garden, then I agree. A place where sin does not exist is better. But in a place like that, lying, idol worship and Adultery also don't exist. Not because they aren't sin, but because sin is impossible. As long as sin is possible, it's very, VERY odd to say that you wish that something extremely harmful was not a sin.
Another resource for this study would be Sam Allbery's book "Is God Anti-Gay?" He is a man who is same-sex attracted and agrees with Sean McDowell. Or for a more scripture based defense, try Eltra Dodds' "The Right to be Christian in a Gay Rights America"
What! Did Frank near the end really just say that he personally has no problem with homosexuality and that he wished homosexuality was okay, but God said it’s wrong, so, okay we stand with God. Wow! I re-watched that part … Yup, that’s exactly what he said! WOW! *** Edited addition to my initial comment above … Such a statement straight up impugns the character of God, or at the very least implies that what God says on this issue is wrong and un-just … But since it’s God, we have to simply acquiesce to Him and accept it! That is a horrendous thing for him or any Christian to say. I hope this is a case of a massive mis-spoken & not well thought out statement and that he publicly comes out and clearly clarifies this!
@Quint-ib4nf And therein lies the problem with his statement. He is personally pro-gay as you just said, but he also recognizes that God is not, so he will stand with God. That is a horrendous thing for any Christian to say, but you can double that for a public teacher & defender of the Christian faith to say!
@@LilySage-mf7uf no, I think he is intimated by the cancel culture and and the also the acceptance and praise of man and tried to hedge his bet a little. Basically said “Hey man, I’m personally with you, but God is God, you know what I’m saying. So, I’m gonna go be on his side on this … But, bro, I’m really with you!” That is pathetic!
Same. Maybe he meant it like he doesn’t stress out or hate those in same-$ex marriage compared to those “Christians” who will openly hate or say something mean to them? 🤷♂️
I know this topic needs to be addressed but it’s really getting to be too much for me to see it so often. It just makes my stomach turn. God bless those who can handle it 🤍
At 2:05 he says that he wishes the scriptures said what Vines is claiming. Then follows that with a personal statement saying he is fine with it. Frank admits that God has a problem with homosexuality and he is with God. You can not be okay with homosexuality and be with God.
Let me push back on Frank’s argument. He says same sex marriage is a cultural phenomenon, not a biblical phenomenon. Here’s the problem with that argument: It is saying that when the Bible was written all truth about the text was locked, sealed, unchangeable, and fixed. However, if you study Christology you see that who the Church Fathers, biblical scholars and the Church understand Jesus Christ to be grows and expands from the 1st Century to now. This evolving understanding of Jesus can even be seen from Paul’s early writings (Thessalonians) to his later writings (Romans) in which he has a fuller Christology. Over time, we get a fuller sense of the identity of Jesus. I think this is mostly a positive thing. Over time, we can also get a fuller sense of other things: Justice, what it means to love your neighbor, human rights (which were very limited in Roman occupied Judea in Jesus’s time even though this is the culture that Frank wants to live under), and MARRIAGE. There is another cultural shift we are experiencing: Women in leadership and as the primary breadwinner in families. This is not a biblical phenomenon, it is cultural, but it does not make it anti-God or a sin.
Jesus never condemned homosexual relationships. Furthermore, even if marriage had been practiced between a man and a woman for the past 2000 years, it doesn't mean it is always true. The feeling that someone is in a body of the wrong gender is never addressed in the Bible since it has only been acknowledged in the last 40 years. Like any new discovery, we must apply Biblical principals to it such as monogamy and full commitment in terms of relationships. An analogy would be AI. AI is fairly new, what about AI generated pornography? These are not real persons, just AI generated pixels on a screen. If we lust after it, is it lusting after another person?
Jeremiah 17:9-10 NKJV [9] “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? [10] I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
I Corinthians 6:9-10 NKJV [9] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@UUu-xl3gk If you do some digging, you'll find that there is no real consensus on the key terms in question: The Greek word for "homosexuals" in the translation you're giving is malakos which means soft and was used in ancient Greek to describe many different things, not necessarily homosexuals. The other key term, arsenokoitai (sodomite in your translation) literally translate to "man bed." There is no real consensus on what this means. It could mean male prostitution
He addressed it. He used the Greek word pornei which is an umbrella term for all sexual sin, which would include adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and bestiality.
Less than 200 years ago, the Bible was cited throughout history as justification for slavery. Slavery and "racial" discrimination wasn't renounced by the Southern Baptists until 1995. My point: society was pro-slavery for thousands of years, up until relatively recently. With that being said, that would be considered a "cultural phenomenon" as well.
the whole "i wish the bible allowed for gay relationships" is a very silly thing to say.. "i wish God was okay w/ me murdering my neighbors" is the spiritual equivalent
Why do people always compare them two together? I am sure if you were being honest with yourself you probably wish Hell didn’t exist or that heterosexual sex before marriage was permissible but guess what? It’s actually not. And Hell of course exists.
@@Psawyer555 because sin is sin.. yes there's degrees of punishment and its worse to murder than to hate. but they all equally cause damnation... so yeah... "i wish homosexuality wasn't a sin" is just as deprived as saying "i wish rape wasn't a sin"
@@alakazoom87 dodging the questions I asked is cool I guess I shouldn’t expected you to answer them anyways. But yeah people make so much more allowance for heterosexual fornication I guess if people are that confident they will still be let into Heaven after practicing fornication without thinking it’s a sin that deserved to be repented for, then I’ll see you all on judgement day
@@Psawyer555 my previous answer pointed out that all sin causes damnation.. unrepentant sin sends people to hell. ANY form of sexual intimacy outside of 1 husband and 1 wife is sin. Doesn't matter if its gay, pre marital, adultery, etc. The specific problem with homosexuality in our culture today is that the sinner often refuses to repent and declares their sin as part of their identity. Sin is sin.. you have to repent of it.. there are no free passes for sexual sins
Please excuse IllogicalAnti-Theist he doesn't know what apologetics is, and he's not very savvy with the interwebs he steals his Mommy's cell phone when she's not looking and does weird comments on UA-cam.
@@gi169 still can't come up with an intelligent reply to any of my comments, I'm always beating you down. Apologetics is lying for religion. Making excuses for the sheep that believe the nonsense, like Gul... He can't even support anything about his claims
@@gi169 Gil has to resort to insults because I always mop the floor with him. When ever you're around people like Gil I feel like Einstein in a room of preschoolers
If you’re dictating your sex life around a book written by peole that advised men how to sell their daughters into slavery, then I feel for you. Y’all sitting here pushing a book that gives return policies for men who “aren’t satisfied” by the slave girl they purchased they can just give her back to the father he purchased her from as some end all be all to morality is weird.
Amen! This is definitely a cultural phenomenon. Vines is what happens when you interpret scripture through your preferred sin. I remember seeing the debate between him and Sean McDowell. Goes without saying that Sean McDowell clearly won the debate, as Vince had no leg….or scripture to stand on.
People like to pretend they're perfect instead of different and unique which is how God made them. One of the letters is for you. That's what's plain to see. God's ways are not your own. You need to look at an actual mirror.
Here's a simple reason why it's not approved. One of the original commands is to be fruitful and multiply. That latter part is impossible with those couples. They have to jump through hoops to even have children, which, ultimately, one of them is not the parent of the offspring. Not to mention, the relationships will always be more complicated between the child and the parents and whomever is involved. Things in the situation of parent and offspring are simpler when one follows God's way. If the child is biologically yours and your partner's, you don't have to look for a child. You have a mother and father who can fulfill their roles and have natural relationships. There are fewer hoops to jump through.
Find out what pleases God. Loving someone is what we are expected to do, but if you love your child or parents you love them in a non sexual way. Hugging is beautiful, but there comes a time to part and ask God to guide you to a partner of the opposite sex if you want to help produce a family!
The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit speak to each other and about each other like they are seperate people. There are passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too. Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if only you would hear his voice, Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God. John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God. John 14:13-14 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. John 5:19-23 Jesus said that he does everything exactly as he see the Father does and does everything the Father does and that Jesus will be judge and the Father will judge no one. John 8, Jesus says that he saw Abraham and Abraham didn't try to kill him like the Jews were and Abraham was glad to see him. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was. John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us. A human being is what I am. trenititybrehm is who I am. God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people. The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus. Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour. John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32:22-32. Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58 Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father. Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah, friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later. Mark 1:1-4, the very first verses of the very first chapter of what is cited as the very first Gospel calls Jesus God. It refrences Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 where Yahweh says he will send his messanger who will be like a voice in the wilderness to make the way before he himself comes to his temple. Mark says John is that voice in the wilderness, making the way for Jesus. John 1:23 and Luke 3:4 also say the exact same things. In Mark 10:18, Jesus said,"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." Meaning: "You call me good when only God is good, do you understand what you are calling me?" To further the point, Christ then lists the 6 commandments that relate to how people deal with each other and asks the man if he's followed those. The man says yes. Then, instead of listing the 4 commandments on how to relate to God and asking if he's followed those, Jesus tells the man, "Follow me," because following and worshiping Christ is following and worshiping God. In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four. Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal. Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son. Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Revelation 1:17-18 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.” (God is speaking, saying he was there from the beginning, and that the Lord God and His Spirit sent him. The Trinity in the Old Testament.) These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a seperate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
@@mattslater2603 We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. It's mainly because of the archeology, "friendly" writers, and "hostile" writers mentioned above that the Jesus Seminar, who are PhD level ashiest/agnostics who study Christ and the Bible, concluded that Jesus really lived in Judea 2,000 years ago, was known as a miracle workers, died on the cross under Pilate, and that his disciples really believed they had seen him risen from the dead. The fact that there are contradictions between manuscripts is often sited as proof against trusting scripture, when it actually does the opposite. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars. There is also all the undisigned coincidence between not only the four Gospels, but the rest of the New and Old Testaments too. Matthew 2:22 talks about Joseph not wanting to return to Judea after fleeing to Egypt because Archelaus was ruling. That's all the info on that the Bible gives. Josephus, the Jewish historian, tells us about the things Archelaus did and how evil he was. Put these two peices of evidence together, we get the full picture. This sort of thing happens through the text with the seemingly useless details matching up perfectly with extra Biblical sources, lending to the credibility of the text. The Apostles willingness to be killed not for saying they believed Jesus had risen, but they knew he had risen, because they saw him. If the tomb wasn't empty, they would've paraded the body around to stomp out any idea of Jesus being ressurrected, but Christianty spread because there was no body in the tomb. If someone stole the body, why were nearly all the Apostles willing to be killed for saying they'd seen Jesus risen? They were thousands of miles away from one another before phones and the internet and were being threaten, tortured, and murdered for their claim. Not one "broke" and said it was a lie to save themselves. It's because of the evidence that I believe in Jesus.
@@TommyTroll1.1 inaccurate. I am saying no religious book(there’s MANY) should dictate how others live their lives. Especially when none have proven everyone else’s is false and theirs is true. No gods proven. Now you started off I see like you usually do. Why don’t we try having an honest conversation?
And again...here comes the TROLLER.... TheRick... who runs away from every conversation with me after he attempts to bash God! TO DATE...he has no answer for his OWN SILLY MYTHOLOGIES he believes in!🤣🤣🤣 I He literally expects me to "GIVE EVIDENCE" that he has no evidence! I TRY and TRY to explain that I can't give evidence for his COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE for his FAITH in the MYTHOLOGY of naturalism. Yet he still believes he has real "evidence" for his own insane beliefs! The silly fellow actually BELIEVES there is evidence that the universe ACCIDENTALLY self-created and self-assembled into a universe from no universe with no creator/designer, for no reason, with no matter,energy, space or time available! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Then he wants me to give proof that he has no evidence of this silly FAITH-FILLED NONSENSE!🤣🤣🤣🤣 How exactly do I give evidence that his FANTASY is a fantasy???🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought a COMPLETE LACK OF UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE was the proof!!!! HILARIOUS! He also BELIEVES by FAITH ALONE that DNA CODE SELF-CREATED and SELF-ASSEMBLED into cells ACCIDENTALLY!🤣🤣🤣 Against all UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!! Yet again...he wants me to prove something CAN'T HAPPEN...that has NEVER EVER EVER been observed to happen???? How exactly????🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seriously...nobody can be this uneducated.... can they? I would say he is a bot but he has been doing th8s for a long time trolling Christian speakers. He spends ENORMOUS energy TRYING desperately to disparage God. Yet he can't undo the problem of existence! Poor silly fellow! Feel free to provide evidence silly boy! Everyone knows you love homosexuality. No one buys your silly "which version" question! All Bibles which are translated from the original Greek and Hebrew using the closest matched English words will suffice. Go to Bible hub. Open romans 1. Read the Greek vs. 26 and 27. Good luck getting out of this one unscathed with your lies. You can't.
The Word speaks for itself... 1 Samuel 18:1-4 "As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father's house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt." 1 Samuel 20:41-42 "And as soon as the boy had gone, David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground and bowed three times. And they kissed one another and wept with one another, David weeping the most. Then Jonathan said to David, "Go in peace, because we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, 'The LORD shall be between me and you, and between my offspring and your offspring, forever.'" And he rose and departed, and Jonathan went into the city. 2 Samuel 1:26 "I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant have you been to me; your love to me was extraordinary, surpassing the love of women." Matthew 19:10-12 "The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
I find myself agreeing with a lot of the comments here about the odd statement Dr. Turek makes near the end when he says, "Personally I don't have a problem with it [homosexuality], but God knows better than me...." I'm really not sure what he was getting at with that statement, but I hope he clarifies it in the future. If he was trying to show empathy, this is the wrong approach to make God sound like an unreasonable tyrant who doesn't understanding the human condition as well as we do. Rather, he could say something like, "There have been times when I thought this would all be easier if we just went along with 'love is love' because we sure do argue about this a lot and it tends to divide people sharply, but that's just my lazy sinful nature not wanting to contend with the clear truth of God's Word, and I need to repent of that. Jesus tells us that the Word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword, and so if we speak it truly it will be divisive. That's the point of the Word: to clearly separate those who wish to follow Christ from those who desire to remain in their sin. God's Word is clear and unambiguous: that's hard for people to accept, even me sometimes because I don't inherently like conflict, even when that conflict has a definite purpose in furthering the kingdom."
@@sidwhiting665 The God of the bible IS a tyrant tho. Any other figure, when given the same track record of genocide and authoritarianism would be called the same. You just make special exceptions for the Supreme Leader Thats what is happening... and Turek tipped his hand to it.
The Bible doesn't condemn love between same sexes, just sex between all people except for husband and wife. All other love is to be on a family type of love. Hebrews 13:1, Let brotherly love continue.
Be careful with your words, the bible condemn eros(love between husband and wife) of same sexes or other people who aren't married. Your words can easily be twisted in to "hey as long we aren't doing sex, it's okay right to love same sexes just like you love your wife/husband, etc"
*_Jas _**_1:14_**_ But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed._* *_Jas _**_1:15_**_ Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death._* *_Jas _**_1:16_**_ Do not err, my beloved brethren._* *_- KJB_*
@@larzman651 the bible says god designed man. If god designed man, then that god designed our nature. Part of our nature is sexual desire. Gods responsibility
If God is not a sovereign creator, then sure. There could be a lot of things that God didn't create. If God is the sovereign creator, then everything is in God's hands and God takes the ultimate responsibility for everything.
To the atheists who have refused every bit of evidence that is OVERWHELMING for the existence of God: What EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE are you willing to accept for God's existence and make Him your Lord?
What evidence do you have? Saying you have evidence is one thing.... Presenting it is another... Give us your best and we'll go from there, it's not up to us to pick your evidence
Illogical atheist Sorry... That's not how it works! You don't get to bash all evidence because you say it's not good enough. Tell us your exact specific parameters..... your EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE...your test..... for proving An Almighty God is Real. I don't believe in naturalism because there is no evidence that HAS SATISFIED my requirements. If I was just a HATER like you then I'd merely decry all the UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE given...ad the atheists live doing. But because I'm a REAL SKEPTIC....and not a FAKER like you, I am able to SPECIFY what exact specific scientific evidence is necessary to convince me. The reason you don't want to define that is because you REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE. It's easy to always claim, "that's not good enough"... while dishonestly claiming you'd accept evidence if it were "good enough". I'm merely asking: WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT. The fact that you don't know...well that says volumes about you! Only honesty regarding your fake skepticism will allow you to see your facade.
logicalatheist 1065 You simply don't understand. I WAS an atheist. I KNOW the game. You are disinterested in any evidence. You only want me to send evidence that you will then make excuses about why it isn't good enough. We can save everyone time when you abandon this FAKE SKEPTICISM and simply tell us WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that you are willing to accept. The reason you CAN'T say is because there is NONE you'd be willing to accept. I was never interested in the evidence as proof...only to disparage the sender. That's simply dishonest biased cynicism. A real skeptic is able to define WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE he is willing to accept. Otherwise we can safely assume...none will suffice and that it is merely a time wasting device to frustrate those with evidence. I can tell yoi EXACTLY what would overcome my skepticism of EVOLUTION or ABIOGENESIS or the BIG BANG. I've offered a test with a lot of cash up for bet on the radiometric dating scam. I'd be glad to collect your m9ney 8f you REALLY REALLY REALLY BELIEVE that radiometric dating works when the initial amount is unknown... non lab generated samples. Regardless... being SCIENTIFICALLY SKEPTICAL has to be undergirded by REASON AND LOGIC...not mere silly assumptions. If you want me to accept your faith in naturalism I will gladly go over piece by piece why the evidence convinced me it is pure mythology. I have concrete expectations, names of scientists, peer reviewed scientific papers...etc. You have your BIASED CYNICISM of God. You don't care about facts and evidence. You want NO GOD. I get it. It was nice when I was so delusional as to think I got to decide morality. I was free to lie, cheat and steal with NO REMORSE. Nietzche understood what very few God haters understand....the logical reasoning of nihilism. Maybe you aren't suicidal yet in the REALITY of your faith in the impossible you willingly ascribe to... but THINK harder....you'll get there soon enough. When you do... it's EMPTY...turn it upside down...nothing comes out. When you look at what Nietzche says "For the happiness of the beast, like that of the complete cynic, is the living proof of the rightness of cynicism. The smallest happiness, if only it is uninterrupted and creates happiness, is incomparably more happiness than the greatest which comes only as an episode, as it were, like a mood, as a fantastic interruption between nothing but boredom, cupidity, and deprivation. " The consummate atheist understands the above statement of hopeless worthlessness. You can CHOOSE differently...more logically. Or remain embedded in FAITH in what will go down as the biggest lie in the history of science. Naturalism is EASY to debunk with Naturalist scientist's results. It's become quite comical. But hey.... if it really floats your boat to personify and give worship the natural selection fairy... have at it. I had to leave that faith due to it's laughably absent unassumed observational scientific evidence. I am finally a skeptic.
Just post your EXACT SCIENTIFIC TEST here that can discern a real God. I would like to know what parameters you require for faith. I am not going to list a bunch of evidence that falls outside of your acceptable tolerance for evidence. Go ahead....I'll wait....
@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD No silly you can't explain WHAT evidence you would accept because there is NONE. We aren't fooled by your ridiculous request to endlessly post evidence that you are unwilling to consider. Surely you wouldn't be LYING so badly as to have no standard to judge by...right?🤣🤣🤣
@arthurplant5962 People, eyewitness that walked with Jesus died because of what they knew, and what they believed. Surely you won't die for what you would know is a lie, right? God loves you, and I hope that you were able to change your mind about God.
Frank is in the arena. You aren't. The meaning here is actually like "it sure would be a whole lot simpler to get along if scripture said something else" instead of "I wish." Even if it wasn't a figure of speech and was a legitimate wish - acknowledgement of a higher authority than oneself is the point. The critique here isn't constructive. If Frank took it to heart, it would cause him to distance himself from others in an attitude that comes across "holier than thou". An attitude of judgemental reprisal cuts off authentic relationships that offer an opportunity to witness.
Romans 1:25-27 "who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the [b]men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
What, you never had a single thought that perhaps things are done differently in the Bible? It may not be about relationships but I'm only human who sometimes think I'm better than God and could do a better job but I'll still place His authority over mine because He knows better. That's just Frank's take on the matter when he said that.
A lot of people are zooming in on the part where he said "I wish..." (and I understand why this is a flash point). I can see both sides of it, but let me just pose this question (with sincerity): Would people, that are focusing on this part as opposed to the entire thought that he conveyed, carry the same energy if he had said something like, "I wish we could lay in bed all day and watch T.V."? Or, "I wish we could pig-out on this chocolate cake"? Or, "I wish I could slap the person who just did me wrong or insulted my mother"? The only difference that I see between his "I wish" and my "I wish" examples is that I anticipate that many people would find my examples more digestible. More tolerable. That although people would still need to repent and submit to God's will and wisdom in my hypotheticals, somehow it's a little more innocuous in comparison. Thoughts?
That cultural phenomenon is an exact prophecy that God’s Word said will happened in the last days. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction [that challenges them with God’s truth]; but wanting to have their ears tickled [with something pleasing], they will accumulate for themselves [many] teachers [one after another, chosen] to satisfy their own desires and to support the errors they hold, 4 and will turn their ears away from the truth and will wander off into myths and man-made fictions [and will accept the unacceptable].
That is what I tell my boys al the time, what they asked JESUS…”by what authority….”, so either I can trust my own thoughts which have proven in my life to be wrong at times, or another person’s ideas who have proven throughout history not to be trust worthy, or I can trust the creator of EVERYTHING which makes sense of the universe, my desires within me for peace, prosperity, purpose, and to avoid death…death repugnant stain on life. I’m dumb enough to be a sinner, but humble enough to know the heart is deceitful above all else…who can understand it, so as for me and my house we will serve the LORD.
After interacting with people, I came to a conclusion that gender doesn't matter at all.I experienced triple trauma from 1.dealing with a narcissist's manipulation and other mentally ill person's mood swings 2.experiencing personality clash with other MBTI temperament such as Estj, Istj, and even Entj 3.dealing with other negative behaviors such as lack of support from a family member From such experiences, I conclude that gentle temperament, good character and behavior are more important. Mental health has always been such a big issue not being gay actually..Mental health is much greater problem than being gay...Most of the problems faced by our society have been done by heterosexuals actually...
If your focus is on other people and what they do, you're barking up the wrong tree. In order to get a better perspective you'll have to look at it from Gods point of view. And we can only know what His point of view is is if we read His word. Second of all, you cant claim to know who causes all the problems. You have no idea who is gay and who isnt unless they tell you different. So this also has nothing to do with whether someone is heterosexual or not. Many great leaders like Alexander the great were gay or bisexual. Generally the more perverted sexually someone is the more likely they will do some crazy stuff. No one can be good in Gods eyes unless they believe on Jesus Christ. So put your faith in Him and forget about mental health issues. When your right with Jesus Christ your mental health becomes much stronger.
@@mattslater2603 then tell me who God is? We have thousands of religions. But only one is right. And christianity is like no other religion. Until recently there wasnt anything like a psychologist in the past. People weren't weak minded like Americans are today. They seek answers everywhere but the bible and never find what they're looking for. If you're looking for an answer in this life besides what christianity offers, I promise you'll never be satisfied with life. Because we as humans were meant to worship God who is a spirit and nothing like what men are. We dont need to put confidence in men when we have the never changing words of God in a book that He wrote. While I'll be enjoying heaven those who turn away from God will have torment for eternity. Take your chances and see what God does. However I'll pray for your soul instead because will have no mercy once you die. Because the bible says that once a man dies, He will be judged for what He has done. That's why we have a conscience. It tell us when we've done right and wrong and only humans have that ability hence us being created in His image. Not Hod created in our image. And it's only because of sin that this world is like this. Jesus is giving you a chance. He actually died on a cross and rose again and that can be you if only you believe on Him and obey His word and your conscience. Don't tell God you weren't warned because at that point there is no salvation. If you think you need mental health now you'll definitely need it in hell.
@@mattslater2603 and by the way, has any psychologist ever truly helped anyone? You're willing to take advice from someone who probably doesnt even believe what you believe and just sits there and listens to you? If they cant be critical of you you'll never receive any help. The only people who need help are the people who lack direction in life. They are just so confused about life. It's simple. We were created by a God and that God is separated from us because of sin. But He remedied that with sending His own son and His own son agreed to die. You arent grateful to God for anything. He didnt have to do that. We all deserve hell but I ask that You turn to the only person who can truly love you and that's Jesus Christ. He will transform you if you humble yourself before Him.
Yeah, it would be easier for us if we could pick and choose what sins we could justify in order to stop struggling against them, but it doesn't work that way. We don't get to write the rules, and, as always, God knows what is best for us.
Just lost a little respect for Frank after he said in so many words that he wishes Vines was right. Don’t discount it as a slip of the tongue or misunderstanding because things that seem like they might indicate something usually do. Some are defending Frank, but would they defend him if he said he wished murder was okay?
You realize what you're saying? That love and murder are equally bad? Shame on you. Frank's slip of the tongue betrays that he realizes there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
@@DelbertTritsch Frank wishes Vines is right, viz that gay love is as good as straight love. You compared it with Frank (hypothetically) wishing murder is okay. Sounds like you compared love with murder to me.
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. - Hebrews 10:26-27
I believe that if you comply with Romans 10:9 & John 1:12, that is the path to your salvation. Also, we don't magically stop sinning once saved, so you're still going to get things wrong, that's OK, God knows that. The difference is that the holy spirit will now be that moral hammer that lets you know when things "feel" wrong in your heart that go against God's word. In the end, live your life in a way that doesn't harm others for we will all go before God with our collection of sins no matter how righteous we think we are, just be prepared to answer for them. Salvation is ALL that matters, the rest is just how you fare before God after you draw that final breath.
I agree for the most part, however some elements require more to be said: "In the end, live your life in a way that doesn't harm others" The problem with this statement is that you cannot know all the consequences of any action, only God can because only He is omniscient, so you don't know what will ultimately "harm others". Therefore we should not live our lives following our own "morality", but in obedience to God, returning moral choice to Him where it belongs, following the prompting of the Spirit in obedience. Giving over our wills to God's as modeled by Christ.
@@stephenkeen6044 No statement is meant to be absolute to cover all circumstances, therefore anything we say can be picked apart with a "yeah, but". We are not omniscient either, so how can we know what actions harms others when we believe they don't. I stand by my statement, but yes listen to the holy spirit.
Textbook false dilemma fallacy at the end about who is authority. Not only is this straight up wrong, it implies that you can only choose the biblical god. I believe the god as described in the Old Testament is evil. While Jesus may have been more benevolent, the concepts of original sin and hell are also evil. I completely and utterly reject the biblical god, but that doesn’t mean I am the authority.
Sexuality simply dwells in a spectrum and you’re just denying who you truly are moreover your moral worth should not be solely tied to your sexual activity.
There is no greater indictment of a false teacher or willfully deceived person than to find oneself arguing for the cause of the carnal over the spiritual. The temporary over the eternal
Why do we need to seek other people? The word in the Bible is very clear regarding same sex couples. Leviticus 18:22 states, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination".
Says nothing against same-secs couples. Read it more carefully. Actually, read the original hebrew, it's more like "you shall not lie with a male a woman's bed, it's against our religion".
Dear Dr. Frank I said that you are not a Christian and I want to say that it was a big mistake for me to say that. Only God and the True Christian are the only ones that know the truth to that. You answered a question, "Are you even certain that God exists?" Your answer, "again it's the realm of probability, am I absolutely certain? No, I am not absolutely certain that I exist." The whole point of what God is telling us on how to be saved, we must fully Trust, Believe, put our complete Faith, completely Rest on His Word. For you to say what you did means that you are not doing the requirement of God on how to be saved.
You personally don’t have a problem with gay marriage? Paul seems to think in Romans 1 that the “natural relations” that the reprobates rejected were apparent in nature.
2:01 Ironically same with the Bible condemning homosexuality. There seems to be no such word even in the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek translation, the apostle Paul pretty much made up his own ("arsenokoites"). _it is significant that of all the terms available in the Greek language, Paul chose a compound from the Septuagint that in the broadest sense described men lying with men as they would lie with women._ The Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't meteor bombed because of homosexuality, as commonly taught, but because of what is written in that very story, very clear. Christianity seems to have inherited the condemnation of homosexuality specifically, from the pagan religions, especially in norse and slavic countries, who's pantheons and associated beliefs were extremely judgmental of homosexuals and even condoned killing and torturing them, particularly those nowadays called "bottoms". Because in these tribal cultures it wasn't homosexual to rape a man to punish and humiliate him, providing the man being raped showed homosexual tendencies or was effeminate. In Christianity, and sexual activity outside a lawful and consensual one consumed in marriage of a man and a woman is considered sin of lust. The Bible, as sort of expected, didn't seem to see the need to point out homosexuality specifically, nor was sex prior to marriage with a women any better for a God-fearing person. In lieu of that I can see what the Matthew person is trying to say, a monogamous unity of two men, is still better in my eyes too, than simply being an average gay person (basically a Grindr addict). If two men, for example preserved their virginity until marriage and then were intimate and faithful to one-another, I have a feeling they'd do much better before G'd than a straight couple who cheat on one another, and lied their way into marriage, chastity included. Providing other "criteria/confounding" factors were the same in both cases.
Frank has "no problem personally?" He has no problem with perverted relationships that are against nature and an abomination to God. Is he daft? He lost a lot of credibility with that statement.
@@Demiligne God has masculine and feminine characteristics, united into one. That's why he created man and woman, Adam and Eve, who are supposed to also unite into one as a perfect reflection of God's image and characteristics. Homosexuality is against this.
Why do people listen to Frank Turek and seek his opinion. I couldn't care less what his opinion is whether it's personal or based on the Bible. Why don't people like Frank Turek mind their own bloody business? The people who ask the questions should just go home and live the life they want
May God bless you for your honesty Frank. I am so sorry for all of the hate our brothers and sisters in Christ are giving you for your honesty. It's out of genuine love and understanding for that other person (not specifically that guy, idk if he is gay or not), who is going through same sex attractedness, that you made that comment that everyone is mad at you for. Too be crude, everyman commenting has seen more penis than any gay man in history and every woman has seen more naked women than any gay women in history. They forget to come from a place of love like you did instead of a place of hate/condemnation. Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
I really do not think it's Biblical to say because a person is "born gay" therefore it's ok to practice homosexuality. A person is born with sin and that sin will make us attracted to, interest in, and want all forms of sin. Sexuality is just another area where we are tempted to be sinful creatures. A person can feel same sex attraction and repent, reject that, and have victory in their life over that sin; or they can struggle, repent, struggle, repent and have little or not victory over their life in that area. I'm a glutton, and I've also suffered same sex attraction most of my adult life. I have far more victory over the same sex attraction than I do the gluttony: why? Well, I practice one fairly consistently and I do not practice the other at all! The demonic thing/sin you feed is the demonic thing/sin that will keep harassing you! It's not rocket science. Everyone who is practicing homosexuality will find it is HARD to break free of that sin because they keep practicing it: whether it's in their thoughts, actions, words, deeds, hopes, dreams. Honestly, to break free of sin; you have to cut it off like it's a dead limb! That is the only way to have freedom. And it will be a fight the likes of which is not enviable by anybody. To break any stronghold, it will take a lot of prayer, denying one's own flesh, and it will take will power and completely removing said sin from one's life. If that means you no longer talk to, engage with, listen to, or watch something that once lead you to sin, well then that's what you do. That's why I am not having a lot of victory in my life in the area of gluttony. I am not willing to do whatever it takes to be free of gluttony. I'm playing patty fingers with the Devil and he's kicking my butt in that area. I'm palling around with him, and I'm not palling around with Jesus consistently in that area. The sin I feed is the one that harasses me.
You know what else is 2,000 years old? The Catholic Church. Weird how protestants think the way things have always been done is wrong. This video essentially is the argument for all protestant reasonings, just switch the questions to, "Protestant says............so what would you say about that?" Answer: Press play.
I would've liked to hear why you wish the Bible said ssm was condoned... In my view, if God did say it was an approved lifestyle, then there would be no question. But Scripture is clear. It is not God's original design, and it is clearly stated. One should not twist Scripture to fit our own narrative.
I'd agree with you on that, brother. Personally, I don't eat fast foods. I believe every Christian should be cautious of all fast food joints. As well as avoiding ANY carbonated sugary soda drinks. They're toxic junk for your body. There's nothing beneficial about them whatsoever. And they should absolutely avoid the "halal meals" from KFC.
Dang Frank… you wish in your natural state apart from God’s will and way and word that God’s word said it was cool with same-sex behaviors in a committed relationship as Matthew Vines would put it?
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“We rarely see people hold MUSLIMS and people of other faiths to the expectations they hold us Christians to. *Who is calling for Islam to embrace gay marriage? Who is calling for the Quran to be updated to modern norms? Yeah, I thought not. It is at the same time patronising to people of others faiths and intolerance toward Christians. Shame!* But in the words of St Athanasius of Alexandria: “If the world is against the truth, then I am against the world”
-Rev. Calvin Robinson
"People will believe anything as long as it's not in the Bible" Napoleon
The reason, I think, people don't go after Islam and the quran, is it's already false gospel.
They go after the Bible because it IS the true Word of God.
Your point might be valid if a large population of Muslims were trying to promote sharia law be the law of the land in the US. Of course Christians would be horrified at that. People trying to push their religious beliefs on others and enshrine it into law - no thanks. If you understand that, then now you understand why Christianity in America gets the resistance it does. The rest of us don't want your religion just like you don't want other religions.
People in the West are calling for every religion to recognize the right of LGBT people to get married to whomever they wish.
If you care about freedom then you hsve to support the right to people to make decisions you disagree with.
@@Gek1177what do you mean by " you have to support"? And to what extent must I support it? Must I support a murderers choice to murder or is it just people's sex life I must support? Must I support a pedos sexual preferences?
“This is a cultural phenomenon not a biblical phenomenon.” Very well said!
Strange that is coming from a protestant...
@@resistdespots4911 The only biblical phenomenon is that anyone believes the silly supernatural claims within it...
Really, who was Paul writing about in Romans 1,?
@@mattslater2603 I beg your pardon?
@@jaywashington9404 What confused you?
Thank God for Frank & this channel and all those who aren’t afraid to preach the truth that is Jesus Christ & His Word 🙏🏾✝️
Uh is Jesus your husband? You might not be going anywhere
Early humankind created gods in an attempt to explain the world around them; then people use religion to control others.
@@arthurplant5962 And where did those people and ideas come from?
@@TimothyC.84... Earth?
@@arthurplant5962exactly, couldn't have said it better
In the latter days...they will call good evil and evil good....what's up is down.Just another sign that you're living in a very....rare time.The sand in the hourglass is about to be empty.
In other words.... clown world.
I’ve got news for you, people have always been doing these immoral sexual things. Look at the Sodom and Gemorrah stories.
The only thing that’s running low on time is Christianity’s relevance as a religion 😂 Young people don’t care about religion to hardly the same degree as some of you old clowns. The only religious imagery I have in my apartment where me, my gay harem, and our girlfriends live (and no children to annoy us, thank the devil) is a statue of Satan from the Satanic Temple. We don’t have to convert. This is how people want to live now. ❤
Frankly, public schools don’t promote us like the news makes them out to. We get our followings online. I was converted by furries who showed me I could channel my animal self by denying the spirit. As a raccoon I’m granted immense power at night when the angels can no longer see. Do you know why furries dress up like cartoon Disney characters? How else would we hide our true forms? 😂 It’s not even a secret. Y’all just refuse to listen.
Our plan has been clear and on the table for decades, hun. The ball got rolling centuries ago. The Magna Carta was our founding document. Now we have free love, elections open to all, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom to congregate. It’s wonderful, isn’t it? No reason for us to hide anymore 🏳️🌈
The war is lost. May Satan keep you company as your world darkens. ❤👹
Revelation 13 has just come to pass
@@TaxingIsThieving Huh?
Concerned that Frank said he wished (God's Word) did say what Matthew is trying to convince people it says... Why do you wish this...????
Imo, Frank is simply meaning that everything would be much easier and we wouldn't have these discussions (arguments) over same sex marriage almost constantly nowadays it seems. It causes a some people a lot of concern and distress. Sometimes those differences even lead to someone being injured or even dead. Just my take.
Well read into it what you want. However he is just reiterating that it would be nice to live the way we want with who we want but Bible (God's Word) speaks against such practices and Frank said time and time again this aint him saying what the standard is, God set the standard. It doesnt matter what Frank thinks should be right, wrong, morales. Cuz he aint God.
Virtually every pastor, theologian, and teacher of the "Word" has their least favorite passages of scripture and have absolutely no problem sharing this. Some have gone as far as volunteering that they wish certain passages did not exist in our Bible.
I feel this is coming from a place of love and empathy. We must remember that the ultimate goal is to bring people back to God so the first step is to show that we understand the struggle of sin and helping speaking from the viewpoint of someone with that struggle.
Dr. Frank shows a lot of humility and wisdom with the response knowing that we are all sinners, even himself
@allysman That does not make it the proper way to teach or cover those passages of scripture.... we are called to be holy.. to be like Christ... not to be a part of this world... in any way... how are you a light in this world for Christ if you're saying you wished GOD'S WORD condoned SIN.... Sin that separates us from God...???
“I wish scripture did say what Matthew Vine says.”
Such strange thing for a Christian to say.
‘I wish the truth was this other thing and not what God actually says.’
I thought it very strange also for Frank to say that.
I found that strange too. Would it suggest he's wishing for something outside of God's will?
Yep, that made me frown tbh. Like, why? That was weird coming from Frank.
I'm not a Frank apologist and I felt strange when he said it, but I realized what he's trying to say is that often times as Christians we want things we ought not want. Paul made a similar statement in Romans 7: 15, 18-19, " I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. . . For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing."
We have a nature that genuinely wants to do the things that are popular in the world. We really do want the things that go against God's will, but that's how we know that we have a sinful/fallen nature. My desire for evil should awaken in me a desperate need of Christ.
@@Unloadonyou
Exactly.
If it was said that sex with someone of the same sex was an abomination to God, it would be because it goes against the purpose of His creation.
But that’s not what scripture says. Scripture says it’s also unnatural for same sex to lust after each other.
@@yvonnekennedy6105if scripture said child graping was okay
Would you agree that Is not the word of god but was put there by humans
@@BlackHat-v4jGod would never say that, you’re making a false scenario.
@@eagle5818 no I understand that
But if that was in the Bible
We would all agree that isn’t the word of god
That it was put by someone or the devil to make their sick beliefs public
But when it’s Christianity it’s different
@@BlackHat-v4jwhat is your point? "When it's Christianity its different " What does that mean?
Only the Bible give true and accurate information about our beginnings and how we are to live. God created us so His laws and commandments are true and good🙏
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Which is less moral:
1. 2 people of the same sex who love each other
Or…
2. A god who executed/butchers people who are gay
Pretty clear to me. One is love the other is violence
@@lawrenceeason8007 so you skip the question because you knew your question was false. Did GOD create Adam and eve with lust or did there sin open them up to it?
@@lawrenceeason8007 I will also answer your moral delema in which you lied. GOD hasn't hurt any homosexuality people unless you have evidence. Those people died in their sins
@@larzman651 sin isn’t a designer. So this doesn’t have anything to do with my question here. I’m asking here which is more moral…2 gay people who love each other or a god who slaughters them
@@lawrenceeason8007 whom has GOD himself slaughtered?
Was someone play music in the background? Music is just distracting, not necessary.
such an excellent response to the question. Cultural norms of the secular world have twisted the foundations of our society. Thank you Frank for ministry in this area.
Secularism works a lot better than a religious rule. That's how the USA and Canada were founded
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You are such a prevaricator IllogicalAnti-Theis.
@@gi169 yet you seem to get bested by us atheists at every turn
@@logicalatheist1065I don’t see anyone advocating for a theocracy. Christians know that will come when Christ returns
@@gi169 Pal, we've been over this. You can't even show a god to exist.
Glory my brother,glory to God in the highest.
Glory to Odin, no more ice giants
Everyone wants to change God to fit their life, instead of change their life to fit God.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
So Jesus is alive?
@@hhh-et2vi I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling
@@JadDragon Only stop when Christianity proves to be real, or everyone moves on from harmful dogma. By the way cross-examined needs all of us for them to stay relevant.
@@hhh-et2vi I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling
@@JadDragon Maybe there's a site for you that just has Christians on it, this one is full of atheists, like it or not.
Marriage isn't a convenant between two people but a convenant between a woman(female) and a man(male) according to the Only Holy Book in the world : The Bible.
The Lord Jesus Christ loves you and He wants you in His Kingdom.
The Bible does not rule societies.
not what the bible says, Jesus was also God and God also said marriage is 1 man and many wives in the OT or is god a liar?
Duuude "cultural phenomenon" was a slam dunk
Frank may come out. Stay tuned
@ddrse come out?
@@tabunga4669 some people are too proud to come out until they're discovered.
@@ddrseYa throwing a lot of bs out of your mind. Perhaps you ride the shortbus?
@@Belmont1714 you sound like the mob from S&G
This was a really good answer. And I like the mention that for two thousand years nobody thought Scriptures said this, but when you said a hundred years ago, I could already hear the counter argument that up until a similar time people claimed that slavery was ok in the scriptures. Of course it doesn't, as people who were pro slavery were just looking for any sign and saw mere mentions of slavery existing and accepted that as a stamp of approval. But the point would still stand that for nearly two thousand years many people believed it did, and who's to say in the future christians and biblical scholars will change their mind about what is says about same sex relations, if they changed their mind on what it says about slavery? What would be your response to that?
The United Methodist church has pretty much already believed that people like Matthew vines are correct
The Bible clearly DOES condone slavery though.....
@@kinggenius930
So does the secular world.
And?
@@kinggenius930 Verse?
@@ch44227 Leviticus 25:44-46
"“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
That's just one of many verses
Frank changing his language from “attraction” to “behaviour” shows the culture has gotten to popular apologetics in a bad way.
The scriptures do not approve of same sex ATTRACTION. Lessening that to “behaviour” suggests that people don’t have the ability to, if not outright change, than stunt what is attractive to them.
This is a huge mistake, especially considering Jesus told us our thoughts are primary, and preconditions to our actions, and our actions are actually a reflection of our thoughts.
If we want to teach homosexuals the way to God, we cannot be convincing them they have no choice but to be attracted to whatever nature or the culture has convinced them of. We ought to be teaching them they can change their attractions with the help of God, and if God will not outright change them, he can certainly stunt them.
actually upon closer inspection those verses describe the fellowship you find yourself in.
Who you are authentically is actively being dominated by the ideal you.
That's the bad kind of ss relationship the Bible is talking about. Is Jesus your husband? Because you're cheating on him.
@KelvinLin-y1m Your comment is pure nonsense. Stating that homosexuality starts in the womb (wtf) and blaming chemicals. You don’t have a clue, and homosexuals won’t tell you. It’s what happened to them early in life. Siblings, parents and society all play a role. And themselves.
aye yi yi now you guys are just making shite up
I love Frank but you have to be careful in saying things like "personally I wish........." That is an open admission that your own desire is completely contrary to God's ordained order and nature. I understand why he's saying it, but we need to be careful not to say 'it's all God's fault'. That is Genesis 3 talk.
Idk that Frank would’ve called it a “fault” of God, either implicitly or explicitly. I do think he makes statements that show his humanity, and how he doesn’t always see things the way God clearly does, but he still brings it back to the Bible is his authority, not himself. So I don’t see a problem with that, personally.
The Apostle Paul's "Personally I wish..." Hint - we are not perfect, we all have desires that are not holy and need to be controlled.
Romans 7:13-20
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
You latched on to that phrase, but ignored the more important things he said afterward, like "God is a lot smarter than I am" and following God's authority instead of our own. In our flesh, there's a lot of "wishes" when it comes to what Scripture prohibits. This shows me why God is perfect and we're not- and doesn't make me view Frank in any lesser light. I applaud honesty.
The Bible says that the heart is deceitful so wouldn’t he just be honest by saying that??
@@BoScotty and the next bit is 'desperately wicked'. I already said that I love Frank and his work. He's a warrior and I've learnt a lot from him.
The point I made stands though and I don't believe that Frank does wish things were 'otherwise', in reality. I think it's his caveat to avoid a load if this sort of thing, which I understand. But we need to be careful.
How about if a person sympathised with child molesters or murderers? Should they wish God did too? Of course not. There are things we KNOW to be wrong, no matter how much brain washing goes on. We should conform to God and not wish he conformed to us. That is crafting a God of our own image and nobody wants a God that is anything like me. You can take that to the bank.
I struggle with obesity, but i know that is a sin. Ultimately its not up to me to decide whether this on my own because over eating "feels good." The same goes for any passion. We are not sinning because we have the temptation, but when we abide by that temptation. We all have our struggles, and the wrong way to go about it is to try and justify our sin.
I don't struggle at all with obesity. I keep getting fatter every year. I am quite skilled at it.
Look, there is no such thing as sin. If you realize that obesity is not healthy for you, try to find support from your loved ones and seek professional help to conquer it.
I wish you the best. Now go walk a mile!!😊 Peace.
@@Theo_Skeptomai No such thing as sin? What do you call genocide, then?
Obesity is not a sin, gluttony is! There’s a difference between the two.
@@ctglenn1 gluttony is. And unless you're like in the 0.00000001% of genetic exceptions, you only get obese through gluttony.
@leahparker9033 Correct. There is no such thing as sin. You have been sold a bag of nonsense along with a "solution."
Kept checking my phone for the running app(background music)
Frank. Personally? You wish it said same sex relationships are okay? Do you not think it sounds just a little hypocritical?
Blew me away he phrased it like that, should have at least clarified. And while I understand what he might have been hinting at, God's word should change our attitude towards sin and disobedience. Of course we have a natural aversion to His commands and conviction, but our minds should then be changed to agree with His standards on everything. For example, I originally wished the Word was accepting of my alcoholism and lust. But I came to see it was my mind that needed to change, not God's word. We go from hostility, to acceptance, to affirmation. We can cut Frank some slack, but we can also admit it was dangerous to word it like he did, especially considering how it was likely understood by the crowd.
Because it's hard. Why does that desire exist in the first place? Frank wishes the bible just left it open so we could go back to learning about the word of God instead of focusing on sexuality and such.
Why would it be hypocritical lol. We can know what God decrees and want differing things. Would you really be made if hell was not eternal or if Christological universalist were right?
@@yvonnekennedy6105
Frank is referring to our fallen nature to want bad things.
We already know, as Christians, to stay away from bad things.
Yes that was VERY disturbing when he said that! He is seriously risking losing credibility.
"It's a cultural phenomenon". The idea that a loving gay relationship is wrong entered Christian culture around 70 years ago as a conflation between preexisting theology about all non-reproductive secs being a sin - which protestants now reject - and the newly discovered trait called homoxesuality which was assumed to be a mental illness - which science now also rejects.
"Last 2000 years" is either ignorance or deceit. Homoxesuality is a newly discovered phenomenon. There is no Christian tradition on the issue before mid 20th cent. The concerns in the early church were secs with boys and feminization of a man who takes a submissive role in the act. Since medieval times, the concern was all non-reproductive acts including between husband and wife. Nothing to do with same-secs relationships being intrinsically wrong.
If you have to justify your actions.... 99% chance it's a sin
Why does anybody need to justify gay marriage?
@kinggenius930 they want to justify it because they know it's wrong. The natural morals God gives you goes against it.
You never hear anybody ever justifying feeding the needy, or helping a grandma across the street. The simple fact that people spend justifying it... proves they know it's wrong
@@RockyTopSplash People often feel the need to justify it due to Christian outrage. Without said outrage, no justification would be needed, no?
@@kinggenius930
You think it's only Christians who oppose gay marriage, KG?
@@kinggenius930
Hey KG, you figure Islam would get "outraged" over gay marriage in a Muslim nation?
Whatchya figure would happen then?
It doesn’t matter what we think.
It matters what GOD says.
Period.
But no God ever said anything in a way that wasn't influenced by people who wrote about that. People telling stories isn't the same as a God saying something. There exists no direct communication from any God. It's always people telling stories. It's reckless to say that a God said something when it's really about what people have written about.
So when people claim god told them to kill their family, that's just a false god right? Obviously not the one you believe 🙄
This is why it's important to realize that God is completely imaginary and not buy into that culture of mental enslavement.
There are already many testimonies of born-again SSA people, who confirmed, that God revealed to them, that it is sin. Anyone saying the opposite is not born-again. They just quote scriptures. Those didn't have an encounter with the living God.
God gives without measure to those who trust him. You met the serpent.
You're making that up.
@@CrinkledPankerSociety then go talk to anyone that became a Christian, that no longer lives a homosexual lifestyle, and ask them
You do not know that people who argue for SSA are not born again based on this alone because this doesn't encompass the fruit of the Spirit, by which we DO know that someone is born again. If it is a sin, then it falls into sin just like anything else that is sinful: adultery, murder, covetousness, etc. Yes it is a reality that when we are clothed with Christ's righteousness that we are dead to sin, but as you, Paul, and all of our brothers and sisters know, we still have to turn from it (some days more often than others). Better to say that they are potentially deceived until you know for sure what's really going on with them.
@@Mairiain naa, you can't say, they are deceived. That is blasphemy territory. All of those people had encounters with God. You would know that, if you studied the character of God. Jesus is THE ONLY truth, whoever is not for him, is against him. For people it's impossible, for God nothing is impossible. Only God changes people. That's the power of God. If i were you, i would be VERY sorry for the borderline blasphemy.
When one says that God is the authority, one is saying that one's subjective interpretation of Scripture is God's intended interpretation, making it objectively true. Does anyone else see a logical problem here?
"I wish the bible said same sex marriage is okay"
Frank Turek.
Yeah. That's a weird statement. He's said it before.
He's bending to the will of the culture while not breaking (in his mind). I really wish he'd stop saying that. Stand firm on the word of God.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable
How is it weird to wish sin wouldn't stand in the way between God and us? Of course he knows God is the authority of morality, but we are fundamentally flawed, I don't think it's stange at all to wish that our flaws wouldn't be so damning. There's a good number of people, who would probably find their way to Christ if that particulary temptation wasn't an issue. Of course that sentiment could be extended indefinitely until we have the liberal God of all mercy no judging, but coming from our perspective I think it's only natural to feel that way.
@@jayhill2193 Because it's weird to say that you wish a sin was not a sin.
Would you find it odd if I said that I wish lying wasn't a sin? What about idol worship?Or how 'bout Adultery? Because that's what Frank inadvertently said.
God knows what's best for us. He didn't decide which things are sins and which aren't based in something arbitrary. He decided that harmful things are sins.
Why would you wish that a harmful thing was not a sin?
Now, if you want to go back to the garden, then I agree. A place where sin does not exist is better. But in a place like that, lying, idol worship and Adultery also don't exist. Not because they aren't sin, but because sin is impossible.
As long as sin is possible, it's very, VERY odd to say that you wish that something extremely harmful was not a sin.
He's saying that personally, he doesn't have a problem with it, but God does, so he follows God. Good answer I thought.
"I wish abortion and murder were okay." How far are we going to go with this?
Another resource for this study would be Sam Allbery's book "Is God Anti-Gay?" He is a man who is same-sex attracted and agrees with Sean McDowell. Or for a more scripture based defense, try Eltra Dodds' "The Right to be Christian in a Gay Rights America"
What! Did Frank near the end really just say that he personally has no problem with homosexuality and that he wished homosexuality was okay, but God said it’s wrong, so, okay we stand with God. Wow! I re-watched that part … Yup, that’s exactly what he said! WOW!
*** Edited addition to my initial comment above … Such a statement straight up impugns the character of God, or at the very least implies that what God says on this issue is wrong and un-just … But since it’s God, we have to simply acquiesce to Him and accept it!
That is a horrendous thing for him or any Christian to say. I hope this is a case of a massive mis-spoken & not well thought out statement and that he publicly comes out and clearly clarifies this!
@Quint-ib4nf And therein lies the problem with his statement. He is personally pro-gay as you just said, but he also recognizes that God is not, so he will stand with God. That is a horrendous thing for any Christian to say, but you can double that for a public teacher & defender of the Christian faith to say!
@@redeemedadventuresit’s a horrible thing to say because he’s choosing an imaginary man over his conscience. INSANE!!!!
@Quint-ib4nfGod is anti sin
@@LilySage-mf7uf no, I think he is intimated by the cancel culture and and the also the acceptance and praise of man and tried to hedge his bet a little. Basically said “Hey man, I’m personally with you, but God is God, you know what I’m saying. So, I’m gonna go be on his side on this … But, bro, I’m really with you!”
That is pathetic!
Same. Maybe he meant it like he doesn’t stress out or hate those in same-$ex marriage compared to those “Christians” who will openly hate or say something mean to them? 🤷♂️
Personally I wish people would accept the word in their heart as-is and REJOICE that is is how it IS.
I know this topic needs to be addressed but it’s really getting to be too much for me to see it so often. It just makes my stomach turn. God bless those who can handle it 🤍
Your stomach turn? Why?
yes homophobia is a sickness
@@kinggenius930 because homophobia is wrong I hope he means
Well said
Did I just hear Frank say he was okay/fine with homosexual couples??
No
He should!
He gave a pretty pathetic answer. Totally disappointing coming from Frank. Most gutless answer I've ever heard from him.
@@apmarcusHe pretty much did say that. Sickening and weak response.
At 2:05 he says that he wishes the scriptures said what Vines is claiming. Then follows that with a personal statement saying he is fine with it. Frank admits that God has a problem with homosexuality and he is with God.
You can not be okay with homosexuality and be with God.
You wished the Bible said what Matthew Vines Believes? Did I hear that? Please explain that Mr. Turek.
Repent.
Romans 10:13🌈🙏
homophobics should repent
Let me push back on Frank’s argument. He says same sex marriage is a cultural phenomenon, not a biblical phenomenon. Here’s the problem with that argument: It is saying that when the Bible was written all truth about the text was locked, sealed, unchangeable, and fixed. However, if you study Christology you see that who the Church Fathers, biblical scholars and the Church understand Jesus Christ to be grows and expands from the 1st Century to now. This evolving understanding of Jesus can even be seen from Paul’s early writings (Thessalonians) to his later writings (Romans) in which he has a fuller Christology. Over time, we get a fuller sense of the identity of Jesus. I think this is mostly a positive thing. Over time, we can also get a fuller sense of other things: Justice, what it means to love your neighbor, human rights (which were very limited in Roman occupied Judea in Jesus’s time even though this is the culture that Frank wants to live under), and MARRIAGE. There is another cultural shift we are experiencing: Women in leadership and as the primary breadwinner in families. This is not a biblical phenomenon, it is cultural, but it does not make it anti-God or a sin.
Are you a top or bottom
Jesus never condemned homosexual relationships. Furthermore, even if marriage had been practiced between a man and a woman for the past 2000 years, it doesn't mean it is always true. The feeling that someone is in a body of the wrong gender is never addressed in the Bible since it has only been acknowledged in the last 40 years. Like any new discovery, we must apply Biblical principals to it such as monogamy and full commitment in terms of relationships. An analogy would be AI. AI is fairly new, what about AI generated pornography? These are not real persons, just AI generated pixels on a screen. If we lust after it, is it lusting after another person?
Jeremiah 17:9-10 NKJV
[9] “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? [10] I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.
I Corinthians 6:9-10 NKJV
[9] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@UUu-xl3gk If you do some digging, you'll find that there is no real consensus on the key terms in question: The Greek word for "homosexuals" in the translation you're giving is malakos which means soft and was used in ancient Greek to describe many different things, not necessarily homosexuals. The other key term, arsenokoitai (sodomite in your translation) literally translate to "man bed." There is no real consensus on what this means. It could mean male prostitution
@@UUu-xl3gk Awful verse.
He addressed it. He used the Greek word pornei which is an umbrella term for all sexual sin, which would include adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and bestiality.
Let God be true and every man a liar - Rm 3:4
Less than 200 years ago, the Bible was cited throughout history as justification for slavery. Slavery and "racial" discrimination wasn't renounced by the Southern Baptists until 1995. My point: society was pro-slavery for thousands of years, up until relatively recently. With that being said, that would be considered a "cultural phenomenon" as well.
Lol this is a false equivalency so anemic, even you don't commit to it by the end of your comment.
Why do you see it as a false equivalency? I genuinely want to understand.
There is no counter argument ..just prejudice
the whole "i wish the bible allowed for gay relationships" is a very silly thing to say.. "i wish God was okay w/ me murdering my neighbors" is the spiritual equivalent
Why do people always compare them two together? I am sure if you were being honest with yourself you probably wish Hell didn’t exist or that heterosexual sex before marriage was permissible but guess what? It’s actually not. And Hell of course exists.
@@Psawyer555 because sin is sin.. yes there's degrees of punishment and its worse to murder than to hate. but they all equally cause damnation...
so yeah... "i wish homosexuality wasn't a sin" is just as deprived as saying "i wish rape wasn't a sin"
@@alakazoom87 dodging the questions I asked is cool I guess I shouldn’t expected you to answer them anyways. But yeah people make so much more allowance for heterosexual fornication I guess if people are that confident they will still be let into Heaven after practicing fornication without thinking it’s a sin that deserved to be repented for, then I’ll see you all on judgement day
@@Psawyer555 what do you mean dodging the question? ask it more directly then
@@Psawyer555 my previous answer pointed out that all sin causes damnation.. unrepentant sin sends people to hell. ANY form of sexual intimacy outside of 1 husband and 1 wife is sin. Doesn't matter if its gay, pre marital, adultery, etc.
The specific problem with homosexuality in our culture today is that the sinner often refuses to repent and declares their sin as part of their identity. Sin is sin.. you have to repent of it.. there are no free passes for sexual sins
Hey brother. What are your top book recommendations for apologetics? I’ve got your book on the way. Wondering if there are others that I should need?
Shouldn't that be the bible, I guess your god isn't any good at making books
Please excuse IllogicalAnti-Theist he doesn't know what apologetics is, and he's not very savvy with the interwebs he steals his Mommy's cell phone when she's not looking and does weird comments on UA-cam.
@@gi169 still can't come up with an intelligent reply to any of my comments, I'm always beating you down.
Apologetics is lying for religion. Making excuses for the sheep that believe the nonsense, like Gul...
He can't even support anything about his claims
@@gi169 Gil has to resort to insults because I always mop the floor with him. When ever you're around people like Gil I feel like Einstein in a room of preschoolers
@@gi169 apologetics is lying for religion
If you’re dictating your sex life around a book written by peole that advised men how to sell their daughters into slavery, then I feel for you.
Y’all sitting here pushing a book that gives return policies for men who “aren’t satisfied” by the slave girl they purchased they can just give her back to the father he purchased her from as some end all be all to morality is weird.
Shhhh they don't read those parts
Assuming there's depreciation...
Bro said addressed nothing, he was just like "If it was never refuted before, why we should do it today lol"
Amen! This is definitely a cultural phenomenon. Vines is what happens when you interpret scripture through your preferred sin. I remember seeing the debate between him and Sean McDowell. Goes without saying that Sean McDowell clearly won the debate, as Vince had no leg….or scripture to stand on.
People like to pretend they're perfect instead of different and unique which is how God made them. One of the letters is for you. That's what's plain to see. God's ways are not your own. You need to look at an actual mirror.
@@ddrseIt stands in the Bible it's wrong. In all your comments you're projecting. Take the day off and stop being emotional and accept that it's sin.
@@Belmont1714 one of the letters is for you. That's what's plain to see.
@@ddrse Dan stop projecting. Do you want me to show you a scripture which says it's wrong? It's so plain and easy to read.
@@Belmont1714 you're reading a story. I'm talking about reality. One of the letters is for you. That's the way God made you.
God Bless Matthew Vines.
Frank?? Uhh..What?🤷♀️
@@Di17227 lol. Get it in ya!
homophobia is a sin
Nothing confusing here.
"Personally, I wish it did say what Matthew Vines says." What!?!
“I hate the double-minded, But I love Your law.” (Psalms 119:113)
I wish homophobics were better educated
Thank you Cross Examined.
Definitely a gay thing with Gil and Jad going on....
@@mattslater2603
You're just jealous because you spend so much effort here with your vitriolic nonsense and nkbd'y cares about you MattSloppy
for the homophobics?
@@mattslater2603 I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling
You would think that LGBTQ is God. At least in the west. It is not. God is God and his word is the final word.
Here's a simple reason why it's not approved. One of the original commands is to be fruitful and multiply. That latter part is impossible with those couples. They have to jump through hoops to even have children, which, ultimately, one of them is not the parent of the offspring. Not to mention, the relationships will always be more complicated between the child and the parents and whomever is involved. Things in the situation of parent and offspring are simpler when one follows God's way. If the child is biologically yours and your partner's, you don't have to look for a child. You have a mother and father who can fulfill their roles and have natural relationships. There are fewer hoops to jump through.
So infertile heterosexual couples shouldn't marry?
@@kinggenius930lol
So if someone is willing to go the extra mile and jump through these hoops it’s ok then?
@@freezingc3126 No. The willingness does not make it ok.
@@kinggenius930 How have they discovered that one, either or both, is infertile?
As we say here, don't put the plough before the ox.
Find out what pleases God. Loving someone is what we are expected to do, but if you love your child or parents you love them in a non sexual way. Hugging is beautiful, but there comes a time to part and ask God to guide you to a partner of the opposite sex if you want to help produce a family!
child abuse is not the same as 2 adults in love
Accepting this livestyle is condemning these poor people...they need to hear the truth
Condemning them?
The truth is that literalist Chrstians are just bad people.
That need to hear the truth.
@@Gek1177
What truth is it that Christians need to hear?
Yes they need to hear the truth that 2 of them who love each other are more moral than a god who murders them for being gay. Good for them
@@lawrenceeason8007
You mean for being a sodomite?
The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit speak to each other and about each other like they are seperate people.
There are passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too.
Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God
and we are the people of his pasture,
the flock under his care.
Today, if only you would hear his voice,
Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”
Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God.
John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God.
John 14:13-14
And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
John 5:19-23 Jesus said that he does everything exactly as he see the Father does and does everything the Father does and that Jesus will be judge and the Father will judge no one.
John 8, Jesus says that he saw Abraham and Abraham didn't try to kill him like the Jews were and Abraham was glad to see him. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was.
John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us.
A human being is what I am. trenititybrehm is who I am.
God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people.
The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus.
Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour.
John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32:22-32.
Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58
Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven.
Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father.
Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah, friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later.
Mark 1:1-4, the very first verses of the very first chapter of what is cited as the very first Gospel calls Jesus God. It refrences Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 where Yahweh says he will send his messanger who will be like a voice in the wilderness to make the way before he himself comes to his temple. Mark says John is that voice in the wilderness, making the way for Jesus. John 1:23 and Luke 3:4 also say the exact same things.
In Mark 10:18, Jesus said,"Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God." Meaning: "You call me good when only God is good, do you understand what you are calling me?" To further the point, Christ then lists the 6 commandments that relate to how people deal with each other and asks the man if he's followed those. The man says yes. Then, instead of listing the 4 commandments on how to relate to God and asking if he's followed those, Jesus tells the man, "Follow me," because following and worshiping Christ is following and worshiping God.
In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four.
Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal.
Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Isaiah 48:16
“Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”
(God is speaking, saying he was there from the beginning, and that the Lord God and His Spirit sent him. The Trinity in the Old Testament.)
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a seperate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me,
And His word was on my tongue.
3 The God of Israel said,
The Rock of Israel spoke to me:
‘He who rules over men must be just,
Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
Nonsense.
@@mattslater2603 Nonsense about the Bible in general or about the Trinity?
@@mattslater2603
We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven.
We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection.
The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament.
It's mainly because of the archeology, "friendly" writers, and "hostile" writers mentioned above that the Jesus Seminar, who are PhD level ashiest/agnostics who study Christ and the Bible, concluded that Jesus really lived in Judea 2,000 years ago, was known as a miracle workers, died on the cross under Pilate, and that his disciples really believed they had seen him risen from the dead.
The fact that there are contradictions between manuscripts is often sited as proof against trusting scripture, when it actually does the opposite. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. Over 5,000 manuscripts in the original Greek and 20,000 in other lanuages. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is 99.5% accuracy between the manuscripts according to scholars.
There is also all the undisigned coincidence between not only the four Gospels, but the rest of the New and Old Testaments too.
Matthew 2:22 talks about Joseph not wanting to return to Judea after fleeing to Egypt because Archelaus was ruling. That's all the info on that the Bible gives. Josephus, the Jewish historian, tells us about the things Archelaus did and how evil he was. Put these two peices of evidence together, we get the full picture.
This sort of thing happens through the text with the seemingly useless details matching up perfectly with extra Biblical sources, lending to the credibility of the text.
The Apostles willingness to be killed not for saying they believed Jesus had risen, but they knew he had risen, because they saw him.
If the tomb wasn't empty, they would've paraded the body around to stomp out any idea of Jesus being ressurrected, but Christianty spread because there was no body in the tomb.
If someone stole the body, why were nearly all the Apostles willing to be killed for saying they'd seen Jesus risen? They were thousands of miles away from one another before phones and the internet and were being threaten, tortured, and murdered for their claim. Not one "broke" and said it was a lie to save themselves.
It's because of the evidence that I believe in Jesus.
Read the Bible...homosexuality is sin.
There is no way out. God didn't make any mistakes. Vines did.
Who cares what the Bible says? Which Bible? Which version?
Why did god design homosexual behavior in nature then?
@@therick363
You do!
You're here whining about it!
@@TommyTroll1.1 inaccurate. I am saying no religious book(there’s MANY) should dictate how others live their lives. Especially when none have proven everyone else’s is false and theirs is true. No gods proven.
Now you started off I see like you usually do. Why don’t we try having an honest conversation?
And again...here comes the TROLLER.... TheRick... who runs away from every conversation with me after he attempts to bash God! TO DATE...he has no answer for his OWN SILLY MYTHOLOGIES he believes in!🤣🤣🤣
I
He literally expects me to "GIVE EVIDENCE" that he has no evidence!
I TRY and TRY to explain that I can't give evidence for his COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE for his FAITH in the MYTHOLOGY of naturalism. Yet he still believes he has real "evidence" for his own insane beliefs!
The silly fellow actually BELIEVES there is evidence that the universe ACCIDENTALLY self-created and self-assembled into a universe from no universe with no creator/designer, for no reason, with no matter,energy, space or time available!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Then he wants me to give proof that he has no evidence of this silly FAITH-FILLED NONSENSE!🤣🤣🤣🤣 How exactly do I give evidence that his FANTASY is a fantasy???🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought a COMPLETE LACK OF UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE was the proof!!!!
HILARIOUS!
He also BELIEVES by FAITH ALONE that DNA CODE SELF-CREATED and SELF-ASSEMBLED into cells ACCIDENTALLY!🤣🤣🤣
Against all UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!
Yet again...he wants me to prove something CAN'T HAPPEN...that has NEVER EVER EVER been observed to happen???? How exactly????🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seriously...nobody can be this uneducated.... can they? I would say he is a bot but he has been doing th8s for a long time trolling Christian speakers. He spends ENORMOUS energy TRYING desperately to disparage God. Yet he can't undo the problem of existence! Poor silly fellow!
Feel free to provide evidence silly boy!
Everyone knows you love homosexuality. No one buys your silly "which version" question!
All Bibles which are translated from the original Greek and Hebrew using the closest matched English words will suffice.
Go to Bible hub. Open romans 1. Read the Greek vs. 26 and 27.
Good luck getting out of this one unscathed with your lies. You can't.
The Word speaks for itself...
1 Samuel 18:1-4 "As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father's house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt."
1 Samuel 20:41-42 "And as soon as the boy had gone, David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground and bowed three times. And they kissed one another and wept with one another, David weeping the most. Then Jonathan said to David, "Go in peace, because we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, 'The LORD shall be between me and you, and between my offspring and your offspring, forever.'" And he rose and departed, and Jonathan went into the city.
2 Samuel 1:26 "I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant have you been to me; your love to me was extraordinary, surpassing the love of women."
Matthew 19:10-12 "The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
@@MasterChiefSha Bahahaha!!!!
Yes bronze age men said it was wrong and they really knew what they were talking about back then! didn't they ? 😂🤣😂
Yup, now don't forget to line up your sticks for livestock
so did scientists until they changed their minds in the 70s because of political pressure.
@@geraldbennett7035 what about?
its homophobia that was wrong
@@geraldbennett7035 no we always knew homophobia was wrong
I find myself agreeing with a lot of the comments here about the odd statement Dr. Turek makes near the end when he says, "Personally I don't have a problem with it [homosexuality], but God knows better than me...."
I'm really not sure what he was getting at with that statement, but I hope he clarifies it in the future. If he was trying to show empathy, this is the wrong approach to make God sound like an unreasonable tyrant who doesn't understanding the human condition as well as we do. Rather, he could say something like, "There have been times when I thought this would all be easier if we just went along with 'love is love' because we sure do argue about this a lot and it tends to divide people sharply, but that's just my lazy sinful nature not wanting to contend with the clear truth of God's Word, and I need to repent of that. Jesus tells us that the Word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword, and so if we speak it truly it will be divisive. That's the point of the Word: to clearly separate those who wish to follow Christ from those who desire to remain in their sin. God's Word is clear and unambiguous: that's hard for people to accept, even me sometimes because I don't inherently like conflict, even when that conflict has a definite purpose in furthering the kingdom."
He knows the book character god from the bible is unjust, due to the men at the time who invented it
Nothing has ever been shown to be wrong with homosexuality.
Christianity just has a lot of bigots ... As well as the rest of the Abrahamic religions
@@logicalatheist1065 Yup
@@sidwhiting665 The God of the bible IS a tyrant tho.
Any other figure, when given the same track record of genocide and authoritarianism would be called the same.
You just make special exceptions for the Supreme Leader
Thats what is happening... and Turek tipped his hand to it.
@@mattslater2603 Mao and God of the Bible 🤝
The Bible doesn't condemn love between same sexes, just sex between all people except for husband and wife. All other love is to be on a family type of love. Hebrews 13:1, Let brotherly love continue.
Lies
@@tonyflipshouseshow is what they said wrong? Are we all not supposed to love our families or friends?
Be careful with your words, the bible condemn eros(love between husband and wife) of same sexes or other people who aren't married. Your words can easily be twisted in to "hey as long we aren't doing sex, it's okay right to love same sexes just like you love your wife/husband, etc"
Lust isn't only about sex, that's why you should be incredibly careful when you are making a comment like this
*_Jas _**_1:14_**_ But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed._*
*_Jas _**_1:15_**_ Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death._*
*_Jas _**_1:16_**_ Do not err, my beloved brethren._* *_- KJB_*
Then why did god create lust
@lawrenceeason8007 your question is false , why do you assume GOD created lust instead of mans fall from grace opened him up to sin?
@@larzman651 the bible says god designed man. If god designed man, then that god designed our nature. Part of our nature is sexual desire. Gods responsibility
If God is not a sovereign creator, then sure. There could be a lot of things that God didn't create.
If God is the sovereign creator, then everything is in God's hands and God takes the ultimate responsibility for everything.
@mattr.1887 did GOD created Adam and eve with sin?
To the atheists who have refused every bit of evidence that is OVERWHELMING for the existence of God:
What EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE are you willing to accept for God's existence and make Him your Lord?
What evidence do you have? Saying you have evidence is one thing.... Presenting it is another... Give us your best and we'll go from there, it's not up to us to pick your evidence
Illogical atheist
Sorry...
That's not how it works! You don't get to bash all evidence because you say it's not good enough.
Tell us your exact specific parameters..... your EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE...your test..... for proving An Almighty God is Real.
I don't believe in naturalism because there is no evidence that HAS SATISFIED my requirements. If I was just a HATER like you then I'd merely decry all the UNASSUMED OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE given...ad the atheists live doing. But because I'm a REAL SKEPTIC....and not a FAKER like you, I am able to SPECIFY what exact specific scientific evidence is necessary to convince me.
The reason you don't want to define that is because you REFUSE TO ACCEPT ANY EVIDENCE. It's easy to always claim, "that's not good enough"... while dishonestly claiming you'd accept evidence if it were "good enough".
I'm merely asking:
WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT.
The fact that you don't know...well that says volumes about you! Only honesty regarding your fake skepticism will allow you to see your facade.
logicalatheist 1065
You simply don't understand. I WAS an atheist. I KNOW the game. You are disinterested in any evidence. You only want me to send evidence that you will then make excuses about why it isn't good enough.
We can save everyone time when you abandon this FAKE SKEPTICISM and simply tell us WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that you are willing to accept.
The reason you CAN'T say is because there is NONE you'd be willing to accept. I was never interested in the evidence as proof...only to disparage the sender. That's simply dishonest biased cynicism.
A real skeptic is able to define WHAT EXACT SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE he is willing to accept. Otherwise we can safely assume...none will suffice and that it is merely a time wasting device to frustrate those with evidence.
I can tell yoi EXACTLY what would overcome my skepticism of EVOLUTION or ABIOGENESIS or the BIG BANG. I've offered a test with a lot of cash up for bet on the radiometric dating scam. I'd be glad to collect your m9ney 8f you REALLY REALLY REALLY BELIEVE that radiometric dating works when the initial amount is unknown... non lab generated samples.
Regardless... being SCIENTIFICALLY SKEPTICAL has to be undergirded by REASON AND LOGIC...not mere silly assumptions. If you want me to accept your faith in naturalism I will gladly go over piece by piece why the evidence convinced me it is pure mythology. I have concrete expectations, names of scientists, peer reviewed scientific papers...etc.
You have your BIASED CYNICISM of God. You don't care about facts and evidence. You want NO GOD. I get it. It was nice when I was so delusional as to think I got to decide morality. I was free to lie, cheat and steal with NO REMORSE. Nietzche understood what very few God haters understand....the logical reasoning of nihilism. Maybe you aren't suicidal yet in the REALITY of your faith in the impossible you willingly ascribe to... but THINK harder....you'll get there soon enough. When you do... it's EMPTY...turn it upside down...nothing comes out. When you look at what Nietzche says
"For the happiness of the beast, like that of the complete cynic, is the living proof of the rightness of cynicism. The smallest happiness, if only it is uninterrupted and creates happiness, is incomparably more happiness than the greatest which comes only as an episode, as it were, like a mood, as a fantastic interruption between nothing but boredom, cupidity, and deprivation. "
The consummate atheist understands the above statement of hopeless worthlessness. You can CHOOSE differently...more logically. Or remain embedded in FAITH in what will go down as the biggest lie in the history of science. Naturalism is EASY to debunk with Naturalist scientist's results. It's become quite comical. But hey.... if it really floats your boat to personify and give worship the natural selection fairy... have at it. I had to leave that faith due to it's laughably absent unassumed observational scientific evidence. I am finally a skeptic.
Just post your EXACT SCIENTIFIC TEST here that can discern a real God. I would like to know what parameters you require for faith. I am not going to list a bunch of evidence that falls outside of your acceptable tolerance for evidence.
Go ahead....I'll wait....
@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD
No silly you can't explain WHAT evidence you would accept because there is NONE.
We aren't fooled by your ridiculous request to endlessly post evidence that you are unwilling to consider.
Surely you wouldn't be LYING so badly as to have no standard to judge by...right?🤣🤣🤣
Till death do us part is also a cultural phenomenon
Early humankind created gods in an attempt to explain the world around them; then people use religion to control others.
What about Christianity? It was a persecuted religion for the beginning of its existence. Hoe could it's purpose be to control?
@arthurplant5962 People, eyewitness that walked with Jesus died because of what they knew, and what they believed. Surely you won't die for what you would know is a lie, right? God loves you, and I hope that you were able to change your mind about God.
You can’t say that God approves of the actions of mankind simply because they make a covenant.
Thats not good reasoning.
“I wish scripture did say what Matthew Vine says.” You wish something contrary to the Word of God? SHAME on you Frank
Frank is in the arena. You aren't.
The meaning here is actually like "it sure would be a whole lot simpler to get along if scripture said something else" instead of "I wish."
Even if it wasn't a figure of speech and was a legitimate wish - acknowledgement of a higher authority than oneself is the point.
The critique here isn't constructive.
If Frank took it to heart, it would cause him to distance himself from others in an attitude that comes across "holier than thou". An attitude of judgemental reprisal cuts off authentic relationships that offer an opportunity to witness.
You are reading too much into what he said...
He definitely needs to clarify that statement.
Romans 1:25-27
"who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the [b]men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
yes so paul is having a go at the heterosexuals he knew doing same sex acts in idolotry so this says nothing about LGBT people
Unsubscribing now, Frank. Thanks for clarifying your wishes.
What, you never had a single thought that perhaps things are done differently in the Bible? It may not be about relationships but I'm only human who sometimes think I'm better than God and could do a better job but I'll still place His authority over mine because He knows better. That's just Frank's take on the matter when he said that.
Frank is 100 percent correct
A lot of people are zooming in on the part where he said "I wish..." (and I understand why this is a flash point). I can see both sides of it, but let me just pose this question (with sincerity): Would people, that are focusing on this part as opposed to the entire thought that he conveyed, carry the same energy if he had said something like, "I wish we could lay in bed all day and watch T.V."? Or, "I wish we could pig-out on this chocolate cake"? Or, "I wish I could slap the person who just did me wrong or insulted my mother"? The only difference that I see between his "I wish" and my "I wish" examples is that I anticipate that many people would find my examples more digestible. More tolerable. That although people would still need to repent and submit to God's will and wisdom in my hypotheticals, somehow it's a little more innocuous in comparison. Thoughts?
Personally? This is why Catholicism wins and "your" interpretation loses.
That cultural phenomenon is an exact prophecy that God’s Word said will happened in the last days. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction [that challenges them with God’s truth]; but wanting to have their ears tickled [with something pleasing], they will accumulate for themselves [many] teachers [one after another, chosen] to satisfy their own desires and to support the errors they hold,
4 and will turn their ears away from the truth and will wander off into myths and man-made fictions [and will accept the unacceptable].
I like your honest and gentle approach.
That is what I tell my boys al the time, what they asked JESUS…”by what authority….”, so either I can trust my own thoughts which have proven in my life to be wrong at times, or another person’s ideas who have proven throughout history not to be trust worthy, or I can trust the creator of EVERYTHING which makes sense of the universe, my desires within me for peace, prosperity, purpose, and to avoid death…death repugnant stain on life. I’m dumb enough to be a sinner, but humble enough to know the heart is deceitful above all else…who can understand it, so as for me and my house we will serve the LORD.
After interacting with people, I came to a conclusion that gender doesn't matter at all.I experienced triple trauma from
1.dealing with a narcissist's manipulation and other mentally ill person's mood swings
2.experiencing personality clash with other MBTI temperament such as Estj, Istj, and even Entj
3.dealing with other negative behaviors such as lack of support from a family member
From such experiences, I conclude that gentle temperament, good character and behavior are more important.
Mental health has always been such a big issue not being gay actually..Mental health is much greater problem than being gay...Most of the problems faced by our society have been done by heterosexuals actually...
If your focus is on other people and what they do, you're barking up the wrong tree. In order to get a better perspective you'll have to look at it from Gods point of view. And we can only know what His point of view is is if we read His word. Second of all, you cant claim to know who causes all the problems. You have no idea who is gay and who isnt unless they tell you different. So this also has nothing to do with whether someone is heterosexual or not. Many great leaders like Alexander the great were gay or bisexual. Generally the more perverted sexually someone is the more likely they will do some crazy stuff. No one can be good in Gods eyes unless they believe on Jesus Christ. So put your faith in Him and forget about mental health issues. When your right with Jesus Christ your mental health becomes much stronger.
@@jeffblaginess812Lol... but you don't have gods point of view
You have a man written book that pretends to be so....
Grow up.
@@mattslater2603 then tell me who God is? We have thousands of religions. But only one is right. And christianity is like no other religion. Until recently there wasnt anything like a psychologist in the past. People weren't weak minded like Americans are today. They seek answers everywhere but the bible and never find what they're looking for. If you're looking for an answer in this life besides what christianity offers, I promise you'll never be satisfied with life. Because we as humans were meant to worship God who is a spirit and nothing like what men are. We dont need to put confidence in men when we have the never changing words of God in a book that He wrote. While I'll be enjoying heaven those who turn away from God will have torment for eternity. Take your chances and see what God does. However I'll pray for your soul instead because will have no mercy once you die. Because the bible says that once a man dies, He will be judged for what He has done. That's why we have a conscience. It tell us when we've done right and wrong and only humans have that ability hence us being created in His image. Not Hod created in our image. And it's only because of sin that this world is like this. Jesus is giving you a chance. He actually died on a cross and rose again and that can be you if only you believe on Him and obey His word and your conscience. Don't tell God you weren't warned because at that point there is no salvation. If you think you need mental health now you'll definitely need it in hell.
@@mattslater2603 and by the way, has any psychologist ever truly helped anyone? You're willing to take advice from someone who probably doesnt even believe what you believe and just sits there and listens to you? If they cant be critical of you you'll never receive any help. The only people who need help are the people who lack direction in life. They are just so confused about life. It's simple. We were created by a God and that God is separated from us because of sin. But He remedied that with sending His own son and His own son agreed to die. You arent grateful to God for anything. He didnt have to do that. We all deserve hell but I ask that You turn to the only person who can truly love you and that's Jesus Christ. He will transform you if you humble yourself before Him.
GOD 🙏 give you more power
Yeah, it would be easier for us if we could pick and choose what sins we could justify in order to stop struggling against them, but it doesn't work that way. We don't get to write the rules, and, as always, God knows what is best for us.
"I would like to know what the counter argument to that is."
Jesus.
Just lost a little respect for Frank after he said in so many words that he wishes Vines was right. Don’t discount it as a slip of the tongue or misunderstanding because things that seem like they might indicate something usually do. Some are defending Frank, but would they defend him if he said he wished murder was okay?
You realize what you're saying? That love and murder are equally bad? Shame on you. Frank's slip of the tongue betrays that he realizes there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
@@MusicalRaichu I did not compare love and murder.
@@DelbertTritsch Frank wishes Vines is right, viz that gay love is as good as straight love. You compared it with Frank (hypothetically) wishing murder is okay. Sounds like you compared love with murder to me.
@@MusicalRaichu I doubt you truly misunderstood my meaning, as I have not misunderstood yours.
@@DelbertTritsch This isn't a good medium for that sort of nuanced communication. Grace and peace.
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
- Hebrews 10:26-27
I believe that if you comply with Romans 10:9 & John 1:12, that is the path to your salvation. Also, we don't magically stop sinning once saved, so you're still going to get things wrong, that's OK, God knows that. The difference is that the holy spirit will now be that moral hammer that lets you know when things "feel" wrong in your heart that go against God's word. In the end, live your life in a way that doesn't harm others for we will all go before God with our collection of sins no matter how righteous we think we are, just be prepared to answer for them. Salvation is ALL that matters, the rest is just how you fare before God after you draw that final breath.
I agree for the most part, however some elements require more to be said: "In the end, live your life in a way that doesn't harm others" The problem with this statement is that you cannot know all the consequences of any action, only God can because only He is omniscient, so you don't know what will ultimately "harm others". Therefore we should not live our lives following our own "morality", but in obedience to God, returning moral choice to Him where it belongs, following the prompting of the Spirit in obedience. Giving over our wills to God's as modeled by Christ.
@@stephenkeen6044 No statement is meant to be absolute to cover all circumstances, therefore anything we say can be picked apart with a "yeah, but". We are not omniscient either, so how can we know what actions harms others when we believe they don't. I stand by my statement, but yes listen to the holy spirit.
Textbook false dilemma fallacy at the end about who is authority. Not only is this straight up wrong, it implies that you can only choose the biblical god.
I believe the god as described in the Old Testament is evil. While Jesus may have been more benevolent, the concepts of original sin and hell are also evil. I completely and utterly reject the biblical god, but that doesn’t mean I am the authority.
Sexuality simply dwells in a spectrum and you’re just denying who you truly are moreover your moral worth should not be solely tied to your sexual activity.
There is no greater indictment of a false teacher or willfully deceived person than to find oneself arguing for the cause of the carnal over the spiritual. The temporary over the eternal
What _exactly_ is eternal?
Why do we need to seek other people? The word in the Bible is very clear regarding same sex couples. Leviticus 18:22 states, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination".
Says nothing against same-secs couples. Read it more carefully. Actually, read the original hebrew, it's more like "you shall not lie with a male a woman's bed, it's against our religion".
Dear Dr. Frank I said that you are not a Christian and I want to say that it was a big mistake for me to say that. Only God and the True Christian are the only ones that know the truth to that. You answered a question, "Are you even certain that God exists?" Your answer, "again it's the realm of probability, am I absolutely certain? No, I am not absolutely certain that I exist."
The whole point of what God is telling us on how to be saved, we must fully Trust, Believe, put our complete Faith, completely Rest on His Word. For you to say what you did means that you are not doing the requirement of God on how to be saved.
You personally don’t have a problem with gay marriage? Paul seems to think in Romans 1 that the “natural relations” that the reprobates rejected were apparent in nature.
I agree with everything Frank said right up until he said he “follows what Jesus said on this” bc Christ never commented on it in the Gospels.
He did and He also appointed some to speak for Him.
2:01 Ironically same with the Bible condemning homosexuality. There seems to be no such word even in the Hebrew Bible and in the Greek translation, the apostle Paul pretty much made up his own ("arsenokoites").
_it is significant that of all the terms available in the Greek language, Paul chose a compound from the Septuagint that in the broadest sense described men lying with men as they would lie with women._
The Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't meteor bombed because of homosexuality, as commonly taught, but because of what is written in that very story, very clear.
Christianity seems to have inherited the condemnation of homosexuality specifically, from the pagan religions, especially in norse and slavic countries, who's pantheons and associated beliefs were extremely judgmental of homosexuals and even condoned killing and torturing them, particularly those nowadays called "bottoms". Because in these tribal cultures it wasn't homosexual to rape a man to punish and humiliate him, providing the man being raped showed homosexual tendencies or was effeminate.
In Christianity, and sexual activity outside a lawful and consensual one consumed in marriage of a man and a woman is considered sin of lust. The Bible, as sort of expected, didn't seem to see the need to point out homosexuality specifically, nor was sex prior to marriage with a women any better for a God-fearing person.
In lieu of that I can see what the Matthew person is trying to say, a monogamous unity of two men, is still better in my eyes too, than simply being an average gay person (basically a Grindr addict). If two men, for example preserved their virginity until marriage and then were intimate and faithful to one-another, I have a feeling they'd do much better before G'd than a straight couple who cheat on one another, and lied their way into marriage, chastity included. Providing other "criteria/confounding" factors were the same in both cases.
Frank has "no problem personally?" He has no problem with perverted relationships that are against nature and an abomination to God. Is he daft?
He lost a lot of credibility with that statement.
God created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve, or Ellen and Rosie. God is a heterosexual God, period. Homosexuality came from the Fall.
Why would God be heterosexual?
@@Demiligne What a question.
@@Demiligne God has masculine and feminine characteristics, united into one. That's why he created man and woman, Adam and Eve, who are supposed to also unite into one as a perfect reflection of God's image and characteristics. Homosexuality is against this.
Why do people listen to Frank Turek and seek his opinion. I couldn't care less what his opinion is whether it's personal or based on the Bible. Why don't people like Frank Turek mind their own bloody business? The people who ask the questions should just go home and live the life they want
Exactly. It’s called being a worthless bigot without a hobby or actual real life concerns.
@@nigelikin7462 yup.
Frank sucks.
It's all about pants. It's always about pants. People try to misuse Scripture to justify sinful behavior (of any kind).
I suggest you distance yourself from Michael Brown, as he consistently denies what is plain to see, like that Sid Roth is a charlatan.
May God bless you for your honesty Frank. I am so sorry for all of the hate our brothers and sisters in Christ are giving you for your honesty. It's out of genuine love and understanding for that other person (not specifically that guy, idk if he is gay or not), who is going through same sex attractedness, that you made that comment that everyone is mad at you for.
Too be crude, everyman commenting has seen more penis than any gay man in history and every woman has seen more naked women than any gay women in history. They forget to come from a place of love like you did instead of a place of hate/condemnation.
Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
I really do not think it's Biblical to say because a person is "born gay" therefore it's ok to practice homosexuality. A person is born with sin and that sin will make us attracted to, interest in, and want all forms of sin. Sexuality is just another area where we are tempted to be sinful creatures. A person can feel same sex attraction and repent, reject that, and have victory in their life over that sin; or they can struggle, repent, struggle, repent and have little or not victory over their life in that area. I'm a glutton, and I've also suffered same sex attraction most of my adult life. I have far more victory over the same sex attraction than I do the gluttony: why? Well, I practice one fairly consistently and I do not practice the other at all! The demonic thing/sin you feed is the demonic thing/sin that will keep harassing you! It's not rocket science. Everyone who is practicing homosexuality will find it is HARD to break free of that sin because they keep practicing it: whether it's in their thoughts, actions, words, deeds, hopes, dreams. Honestly, to break free of sin; you have to cut it off like it's a dead limb! That is the only way to have freedom. And it will be a fight the likes of which is not enviable by anybody. To break any stronghold, it will take a lot of prayer, denying one's own flesh, and it will take will power and completely removing said sin from one's life. If that means you no longer talk to, engage with, listen to, or watch something that once lead you to sin, well then that's what you do. That's why I am not having a lot of victory in my life in the area of gluttony. I am not willing to do whatever it takes to be free of gluttony. I'm playing patty fingers with the Devil and he's kicking my butt in that area. I'm palling around with him, and I'm not palling around with Jesus consistently in that area. The sin I feed is the one that harasses me.
You know what else is 2,000 years old? The Catholic Church. Weird how protestants think the way things have always been done is wrong. This video essentially is the argument for all protestant reasonings, just switch the questions to, "Protestant says............so what would you say about that?" Answer: Press play.
I would've liked to hear why you wish the Bible said ssm was condoned... In my view, if God did say it was an approved lifestyle, then there would be no question. But Scripture is clear. It is not God's original design, and it is clearly stated. One should not twist Scripture to fit our own narrative.
Christians in Canada must boycott the Canadian KFC!
I'd agree with you on that, brother.
Personally, I don't eat fast foods. I believe every Christian should be cautious of all fast food joints. As well as avoiding ANY carbonated sugary soda drinks. They're toxic junk for your body. There's nothing beneficial about them whatsoever.
And they should absolutely avoid the "halal meals" from KFC.
I don’t eat at that dumpster diner anyway haha. Friggin Halal meat, man. This country is going to Sharia hell real fast.
We have to be commited to God more then anything else !!
Why?
Dang Frank… you wish in your natural state apart from God’s will and way and word that God’s word said it was cool with same-sex behaviors in a committed relationship as Matthew Vines would put it?