I don't think the father of the gay son was asking to challenge Frank, I think he was asking so he can learn what to say to his son. In many of his statements to Frank, you can hear the sorrow and pain in the father's voice, because he wants to help and loves his son.
I agree...I kind of felt as though his question was misconstrued and it seemed that Frank was bit too quick to become a little defensive. (Having said that, I recently discovered Frank Turek and enjoy his videos.)
@@dallassegnoI’m a guy and struggle with the same sin, I was never sexually raped or violated so stop this idea that this particular sin requires some sort of childhood rape to trigger it when the Bible says “we were conceived in sin” and the heart devises all these ways to come up with sin, who do you think the first evidence of a gay human being was raped by? As a 27 year old who struggles with this thing I can tell you I had both loving parents in my life. I was conceived this way unfortunately because of Adam. As far as I can remember my first attraction as young as 8 was a fellow classmate of mine, which I innocently acted on and had no clue or idea where it came from. So next time please speak with some facts before 🙏🏽
We must share Truth - in 2008, I was a gay-identified man, in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship, active in an affirming church, then found myself in an ICU where the medical team classified me clinically dead after a 22-minute flatline. I experienced death, judgement and hell. When I couldn’t take any more demonic torment, I cried out in repentance, “Jesus!” and I heard the Savior say, “I am here.” At that moment, I saw with my eyes the Wind of the Holy Spirit fill my ICU and with great power, He pick up Satan and the demonic and blew them out of the room. On that day, my life changed, the redemptive Blood of Jesus cleared my mind of perversion, and completely healed and restored every failing organ. Glory to God!
So the medical professionals did nothing for you..? You give all the credit to God and none to the people that actually did things for you… Funny thing is you’ll never have enough faith to test that theory. You’ll always end up going to the hospital.. trusting in humans.. and not your deity.. but never give any credit to the people that sacrificed their life to save yours..
We're all in leaky boats. That other guy's boat might have a few more holes than yours, but both are bound for the bottom. Only way out is to climb aboard God's (actually) unsinkable ship when He tosses you a lifeline.
@@geoffreyallen9314 : "God made me this way" is the most common rebuttal that I hear when discussing the sin of homosexuality with others, after which I have to explain that we live in a sinful world, not Heaven, and we are accountable for our actions, not our temptations.
I'm always amazed at how straight people tackle this issue. I am a former lesbian who was steeped in the lifestyle until Jesus set me free. The question the son asked was simply to justify his sin. Two rights do not make a wrong. This father needs some answers. His son is stuck in a false identity. Something that rarely changes absent Christ. Homosexuality is a sin - even more, it is a severe stronghold. It can take time to unravel. But the first step is son becoming a child of God. Without Jesus, there is no hope of redemption - for anyone. I minister to parents and friends of gays, gays themselves, and I am now battling the church, which, sadly, has bought the many lies surrounding the gay lifestyle. We have alot of work to do. UPDATE: Several people here have commented on their sexual struggles longing for an answer from God and a way out. YET, when they are given that counsel and opportunity, they grow silent and leave. The truth is, they don't really want out of their sin. They just want someone to condone their behavior. This is called CHOICE. Choose God or choose sin. Can't have both.
@dansaber4427 that is your opinion, but unfortunately, not what the Bible teaches. I get it, though. I felt the same at one time. God is patient and gracious through our changes. But He will never condone willfully living a life contrary to His will.
@@StandUp777 actually upon closer inspection those verses describe the fellowship you find yourself in. Who you are authentically is actively being dominated by the ideal you. That's the bad kind of ss relationship the Bible is talking about. Is Jesus your husband? Because you're cheating on him.
On the subject of good moral people... Jesus said, "why do you call me "good?" No one is good except the Father." At first i was confused by this passage. Was He saying Hes not good? If He's not, then who is? Then i realized he was really asking, "what are you basing good on? To what standard? How do you even know what good is?" Because no one had ever seen or met anyone who was truly good. There had never been a man without sin until that time. Amd Jesus is good because "no one is good except the Father." And everything He did was through the Father (John 5:19)
Don't you think that claim is scary? Only god is good? Didn't god order and condone sl4very, mis0gyny, stoning g4ys, gen0c1de and gr4ping virgin girls? How can that be good? Or do you just accept that can do whatever he wants?
Also He's saying He is the same as the Father. No one is good except for the Father and yet the man is calling Jesus good. He isn't saying He's wrong He is saying He's God.
Research shows that pornography use is actually more prevalent in LGBTQ adolescents than in their heterosexual counterparts. Thus, to invoke pornography use by some Christians to mitigate homosexuality is not only inappropriate but also disingenuous.
Why do you think LGBTQ adolescents use porn more than their heterosexual counterparts? Does any of the research you cite give any reasons? Why do you think they use pornogrpahy more? Do you thinks it's because they're more immoral?
Sometimes it is to justify why they would want to do that without being judged. So for example you see a self acclaimed pastor commit adultery, you are also a porn addict. Even though you know it's wrong but you can't help it you'll then try to raise the former to justify why you are a porn addict after all
Doesn't matter what the stats say. Whether you're Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Trans. Pornography is bad and unfortunately I myself struggle with Porn/Lust.
Love and acceptance are two totally different things you still have love for your child if you don't accept their lifestyle. Jesus loved Sinners but he did not wear a pride flag
No matter how my child turns out, if they live a life that is oppositional of my personal moral beliefs, I don't have to respect that. But everyone does not have the same moral beliefs, and our beliefs do not make us moral. Not before or after Christ. Christ was the only one moral. Nobody on this planet looks at morality the same, because we have none and we have never been, and have never known it. We only have self-righteousness (pride) and my pride has sinned against God every time. What is right to us, is not right to God, no matter how just we may think we are being. And even if we do good, the sin the condemned us would be there every step of the way, without Christ. You think the way you think because of sin, you do not know or understand total morality, and you are no more moral than your child. You have probably taught your child more sin, than anything, and are completely unaware of it. If you cast the first stone, God will cast the last one. Salvation is a very serious thing.
When we are truly born again, we realize what wretched sinners we are, and in that realization we see how we have been cheating on God with sin. We see how ugly we've been to God and how we are not worthy of His forgiveness. But most importantly, we cry out like never before and ask for His guidance and strength to overcome sin. Once this has happened, there is a cleansing of the heart and a renewing of the spirit that transforms us. We become zealous for God and realize that we are here to represent the King. All glory to the most high!
Hey family if you have a child battling homosexuality be encouraged. I battled homosexuality for years. But parents please fervently pray for your children. Remember family the prayers of the righteous availeth much! I am now married to my God fearing, handsome, extraordinary husband! And we welcomed our firstborn ten months ago! No matter how much someone looks bound within our own standards. Jesus came to set the captives free!
Glory to God! In truth, He works and manifests His glory over those who seek Him with a fervent and sincere heart. What's impossible to humanity, to God is so easy to do. He frees, liberates and heals, transforming us from the inside out. Thank you for sharing your testimony, God bless you and your family! "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Hey family if you have a child battling homophobia be encouraged. I battled bigotry for years. But parents please fervently pray for your bigoted children. Remember family the prayers of the righteous availeth much!
@@xXEGPXx seems like someone is upset…..why are you mad at someone freedom. I pray you get to know Christ because he is SO AMAZING. And the weapons will form but they won’t prosper. And you can’t get me fired I am not afraid of you nor the master you serve. But I pray for you.
“Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The problem is that every single person on the face of the planet has indulged in sexual sin, has worshiped titles, has stolen something, been greedy, been drunk, abuse, someone, or cheated someone. Which means none of us is qualified to judge sinners
Paul is listing the people that have not come to believe on Jesus Christ. Before we believe on Christ, these are the titles we have. However, verse 11 goes on to teach that they are no longer these people because they have been cleansed by Jesus Christ. This DOES NOT mean that they have completely stopped doing ANY of these sins. Believers all around the world struggle with most of these. Paul is pointing out that because they are believers in Christ, God does not see them as these anymore. Now, God sees them as His children. Heirs to the Kingdom of God. Why? Because they have put their belief/faith on His Son Jesus Christ. When the Father looks upon believers, He sees His sons and daughters, NOT sinners. Paul is trying to encourage the brothers and sisters in Christ to put away these desires. Not to earn, maintain, or prove their salvation, but as James points out in James 2, that it will be profitable to the believer and mankind. We should strive to be like Christ, not because it's required, but because we want to. I try to do good and sin less to give thanks for Jesus Christ for what He did for me. I'm not perfect at this. I fail everyday. But, I know I am His, forever. Remember, Paul expressed his struggle with sin in the book of Romans. His outer man keeps sinning while his inner man hates the sinning. Paul states that he would like to do good but in him is the desire to do bad. He does the bad on which he wishes he could stop doing, and neglects to do the good he wishes he could do. Then thanks Jesus Christ for the promise of one day fully redeeming Paul from the wicked man he is. John teaches that if we say we are without sin then we make Him a liar.
@@Jesse-JC Yet your heart should ache each time you knowingly are committing sin. And even sick if living in sin daily. The Holy Spirit is The One helping you in the renewing you require to become more like Jesus daily in this set apart sanctification walk with Him. If you are actually walking with Jesus you will not desire to live a, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, arrogant pride, sin-filled lifestyle of ANY kind.
@@user-br3ou2cs9o I agree with you totally. The Holy Spirit is our helper and guide. And yes, we should ache when we've sinned. I want to simply point out that we will fail at the perfection described in the Bible and to encourage believers to not doubt their salvation. Lots of believers begin to worry they have sinned too much last week, or the day before and have sinned away their salvation. This is an impossible scenario. Christ paid for 100% of your sins... past, present, and future sins. His goal was to remove Hell off the table and He accomplished that by paying that payment for us. He's not going to let us, very imperfect people, screw that up afterwards. He then goes on to teach us that with that security, strive to be like Him. Not to earn, maintain, or prove your salvation, but to be profitable to yourself and others. Shining bright for Christ by sinning less and increasing your good works will draw people closer to Him. The world will see Christ in you. That's the whole point. God bless you!
@@IdontknowwhatswaitingformeActually you can make a judgment call, you can't condemn them however. If your child is hanging around a bad person you can make a judgment call and stop the behavior. No different if you stop at a store and notice some thug like characters hanging around you can make a judgement and go on down the road.
This was a great answer by Dr. Turek. "Homosexuality isn't the one thing that keeps you out of heaven. Just as heterosexuality doesn't get you into heaven." I liked how Dr. Turek was able to point out that pastors won't get up (or shouldn't) and proclaim that porn addiction is 'good', or should be celebrated. Watching porn is almost done in secret and without an audience. It's attempted to be a hidden thing. The LGBT movement wants the "hidden" to be proclaimed and celebrated. That's very different.
The bible makes no such distinction, you are saying being gay is worse than porn because you are a porn addict. So you downplay your own sins whilst elevating others, its a deflection tactic
1 Corinthians 6:9-11. There are several things , the ‘’practice “ of which will prevent inheriting God’s Kingdom. Homosexuality is among them. The operative word is ‘’Practice” , if a person is genuinely repentant and crushed by their sin and the desire to be free of it’s snare, then they may find God’s mercy in escaping that snare. But any sin , when the person is unrepentant , will prevent a person from inheriting God’s Kingdom.
@@DavidDrew-n6zif you place your faith in Jesus God remembers your sins no more. That verse finishes with: 1 Corinthians 6:11 (ESV): And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. You're not saved by repenting of your sins you are saved by faith in Christ the Holy Spirit then works on bringing repentance and sanctifying us but it is a life long process that will never be completed in this life. If you've placed your faith in Christ your sins are no longer counted against you.
I have this quote from Ephesians on my phone wallpaper. I remind myself of this every day and is probably my most used verse to answer questions of sin and my relationship with Jesus to those asking about it.
The point that’s being missed here is that they are not repenting of their sins. They’re proud of it and two sins does not make a right because someone else is sinning doesn’t mean it gives you the right to may God open your eyes and warm your heart to the truth
Exactly. If we as a society celebrate and accept homosexuality, then why don’t we accept and celebrate all the other sins? What makes homosexuality special and acceptable compared to the all the other sins? Even the church is accepting and celebrating this sin of homosexuality.
@@JC-cv3upwait, you really can’t tell the difference (special) between homosexuality and, for example, theft or even murder as sins? One involves attraction and loving acts between consenting adults and the others have a perpetrator harming an innocent victim. This really isn’t hard to figure out.
So true, for if you steal one cent,or one million, you are still a thief! You can't seperate sin,all sins are equal as they all leads to condemnation by GOD!!!
@@JC-cv3up Why celebrate and accept homosexuality? Because homosexuality is harmless and love should be something to celebrate, no? Homosexuality has no victims: you can't inflict homosexuality on anybody against their will, you can't use homosexuality as a weapon of war. So why does your religion say it's a sin?
A side question from this video would be, we all struggle with sin and NOBODY is without sin we covered by Christ. What would make stumbling and warring in the flesh a lifestyle vs a season? I struggled with a similar sin and prayed, participate actively in church, read at least 4chapters daily word plus devotional, pray and SPEAK with God not to justify and say I’m holy but to fill myself with as much of His Spirit as possible. I go weeks or months without this specific sin I struggle with then I fall, I cry out to God, I’m remorseful and feel like I distanced myself from Him. I turn back stronger sometimes but I’m concerned
Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
@@qwerty-so6ml I don’t see anywhere where it mentions WE are the fallen angels. Further He states the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. We are offered eternal life in thru Christ alone, however, angels and demons are not allowed to repent and become saved only humans. Ur theology seems off and doesn’t answer my question. God bless
@GhostRider-ce3ebwhy would the father loose his son by being honest and authentic? The hypocrisy would be if he believed his son lived in sin, but would pretend otherwise…!
I see this as a misunderstanding of the text. God is both just and graceful. So how do we have Justice applied to us? Because He must be just. The answer is through the atoning death of Christ. Without the atonement there is a Justice that will condemn you to the fires of hell and rightly so. But under the blood you are considered Justified to the glory of His grace!!!
The issue is that the idea of repentance is lost on many people. Even those who claim to believe in CHRIST. Romans 6:23 (NASB) says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." If we are willing and unashamedly "investing" in the sin that's killing us, how can we then turn around and say we want eternal life in CHRIST?
If someone truly wants to be saved, they aren't going to try to negotiate which of their sins they can and can't continue in after ostensibly repenting
You are literally explaining every Christian.. all of you are guilty of cherry picking and bending the rules to fit your life’s specific narrative. Don’t have to be homosexual.. I’ve never met a Christian’s that doesn’t cherry pick. It’s 100% all to common. We talk long enough and it begins to show.. works every time..
@@dylanlawrence6272 It's one thing to be personally conflicted about or in open disagreement with someone else over what actions are sins, but it's another thing to _agree_ that something _is a sin_ and decide that you will continue to pursue it and not repent of it. You say "we talk long enough and it begins to show", but this man's son is sadly in very open rebellion against God. You can't "agree to disagree" with God. I know that there are foul things in me that I am not aware of yet, but when the Lord makes me aware of them, it will be my job to repent. This man's son knows and admits to being in sin, and he's trying to cut a deal to keep the sin rather than repenting
@@dylanlawrence6272 We don't give this kind of latitude to anyone in any other sexual sin: "He cheats on his wife, but only about once a week." "They are living together unmarried, but they only have sex about once a week." "He and his sister only commit incest about once a week." Anyone in these scenarios would be put under church discipline and kicked out if they refused to repent, and rightfully so
@@ProductBasement lol I’m talking about Christian’s.. you talk long enough and the cherry picker in you starts to show. It doesn’t apply to people who don’t follow God.. they aren’t cherry picking the Bible.. Funny you mention that because God condones incest in the Bible.. he actually blesses the people who commit the act… And then many verses later God says those who commit this act shall be cursed… so which is it, blessed or cursed for having incest?? See how that contradicts itself.. lol Bible is full of contradictions..
@@ProductBasementand you are just admitting to how horrible the church and this religion can be. I’ve watched people who claim to christians, treat homosexual people absolutely horribly.. try to beat it out of them, berate and harass them.. force them into conversion therapy.. And then walk right back into church and everybody is perfectly okay with what just happened.. that’s sickening behavior. And you are proud to stand behind that because it’s got the label of “church”…
I believe that Frank was helping him think. Before he got finished,i don't think it was rude but a civil conversation. Many times, the questioneer always interrupts Frank as well, and it's not frown upon because its called conversation. And plus he is a professional speaker trying to answer in a short amount of time & keeping the topic light & right to the point. Frank did great.
@@lovealeesongchannelmany times I see Frank want to twist the question to fit a rehersed answer. Ignoring the specific the question is trying to understand.
@friisteching3433 you have a right to your opinion, and if that's what you see, that's your perspective. I also see it vice versa... which is called a civil common conversation again in a very short amount of time. I think this conversation went beautifully, and no matter what, people will always find something.
If Frank didn’t interrupt he would forget to challenge the irrelevant point of shifting the focus.. he wouldn’t be able to make a mic drop statement. lol Frank has crafted his presentation skills to field these questions and save face.
What I’ve never hearing answered is what makes one sin worse than the other? What’s the difference between a sinner that goes to church and feels comfortable and the sinner that goes to church and doesn’t feel welcome?
Matthew 10:35 KJV For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
I was saved out of the homophobic lifestyle, that does happen, unlike ex gays who lie to please satan and the homophobic community.....who lie as u just did.
JTV-70, amen, glory to God! Thank you for sharing, as it encourages many others. It's always a joy to hear what God has done in the lives of many. A wonderful fragrance, that testifies of God's grace towards us in that He saves us from all sins. Of course, a bitter reminder of death to those who are lost - but that's their own folly when they go chasing their own perversion. It's a choice. We made ours, as they make theirs. Holiness or perversion. Life or death. "For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. ..." (1 Corinthians 2:15-16).
@@ministermattocks7570 You can continue believing that lie. Additionally, I've already corrected you on the second part of your nonsensical lie elsewhere. It's not at all my problem how submerged you are in your backwards thinking.
Semi-good news! Your son's not actually gay. He only thinks he's gay. It's only a nurtured mindset that he's gotten comfortable with, unfortunately. Everything we act on is a free choice.
@@kinggenius930 Like I said, it's a free choice. No baby was ever born sexually attracted to their own gender, that's just an absolutely ludicrous conclusion to rest at, and a lazy justification for that type of preference, which God insists is a sin. Psychology data insists that homosexuality typically stems from a deep-rooted form of trauma or abuse, or being raised in such a household or community that simply endorse and affirm such behavior. That's a big mistake so many homosexually-oriented people make, is thinking they were born gay and hence identify as gay, and since God hates homosexuality, that must mean God hates them as people. Which is absolutely false. God hates sin, via the act of homosexual fornication, He does not hate people, He never did, and never will. God loves every person. And yet every person in the world is guilty of sinning. Everyone. Only God's gift of Grace (trusting that Jesus is exactly who He claimed to be) alleviates us from his wrath. The devil wants people to believe we have no choice, and being gay is part of our identity. Which is a flat-out lie, that unfortunately drags so many people farther away from God's desire for them to live their best life. The 10 commandments are not rules that we need to follow in order to appease an almighty overlord. He doesn't need our thanksgiving or worship of Him, or for us to do anything really. Rather the ten commandments strictly serve as a guidebook to all people that will only benefit us in living truly joyful lives. Since every material and worldly thing will never truly comfort us, or sate us, in our fleeting, dying, mortal coils. No matter how many times we have sex, whether hetero, or same-sex, will ease our souls or save us on our deathbed. ONLY Jesus, the risen Christ who conquered death on the cross by being resurrected 3 days later can save us from death and damnation.
@@kinggenius930 Way to dodge the issue at hand. But fine, Vanderbilt University Medical Center has just one of many study variants, posted Feb, 24 2022. I can't post links here, but your welcome to search for it and the others yourself, since I'm not paid to be your tutor. It's titled "Study finds LGBQ people report higher rates of adverse childhood experiences than straight people, worse mental health as adults".
@@kinggenius930 Way to dodge the issue at hand. But fine, Vanderbilt University Medical Center has just one of many study variants, posted Feb, 24 2022. I can't post links here, but your welcome to search for it and the others yourself, since I'm not paid to be your tutor.
The purpose or meaning of life is to love God with all your strength and heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.And by loving God you must keep his commandments. You break one you break all of them.
@@kladies3021 Hey there! I'm ok, but UA-cam has started deleting my comments. Not hiding full deleted, and just the usual comments as well... How are you?
@@JadDragonDeleting your comments. Geez, the algorithm is the most offended system like ever.😂 I'm doing well. God's really been encouraging me with the truth of keeping focus on Jesus. And to be eagerly awaiting his return. So many people see the signs of his coming. Which is wise, but they are becoming fearful and like the 10 spies who saw only the giants and other obstacles in the land. Looking to Jesus and awaiting his return inspires hope and comfort. May he fill you with hope and comfort as the day comes closer!
Amen. I have shared with non-believers that when they say they are good, are we talking about your heaven or God's heaven. Because it's God heaven, it's his rules. His standard. I don't pass judgement on me. God is my judge.
@@mattslater2603 Btw, kiddo, nice projection. When you're not azzkizzing mama Barbara's derriere, you're stalking. 😂 *SMH LAUGHING* 😂 I guess it prevents you from stalking your neighbours, "sye co" slatsy...
Good luck navigating daily life going to stores, buying products we normally purchase and need. A large percentage have caved in to the virtue signaling and pandering to the Pride agenda. It's sickening. You almost have to live under a rock nowadays in order to totally avoid supporting these countless businesses, brands, restaurants, and corporations. 😳🤦♀️
similar to "being a good, moral person" is a fruit rather than a goal, being happy should not be a goal, an end state to be achieved. Being happy is a byproduct, and it is not permanent.
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 4:5 KJV Point the sinner & ungodly to Jesus so they can believe and be justified…not to their fleshly efforts in behavior modification …The Gospel Is The Power unto salvation to those who believe….its that simple
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves me." To love Jesus is to know Him, to understand his statutes (the Bible) and feel sorrowful about anything you're doing that's rebellious towards God. Jesus is the way and our standard, not any other human - be it a Pastor, etc. Put your faith in God, and trust that His ways are higher than your ways, allow the Holy Spirit to do a work on your (all of our) sinful fleshly desires. God bless
The solution is to REPENT! You still need a Savior and need to repent from sexual perversion both of them. 1 John 3:7 (AMP) "Little children (believers, dear ones), do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who practices righteousness [the one who strives to live a consistently honorable life-in private as well as in public-and to conform to God’s precepts] is righteous, just as He is righteous."
In his statements and questions. He was looking for what he did wrong in raising him. Tolerance is the root of all evil. When someone does wrong and it is tolerated. All parties are sinful. In today's society, peace,love and happiness are blinding things like right and wrong. Discipline, accountability, standards, and tolerance are killing us all. Your choices are judged during this life. Being truthful is temporarily hurtful. But truth needs to be said. It can save eternally!
I actually feel for his son. As someone who has this exact thing and fell in love with my bestfriend It was something i knew I could never have. What the son is actually asking was missed, he’s asking basically is he not worthy to have love”? In the way that when someone genuinely falls in love with someone, they can marry them. He’s not asking for his sin to be justified, before Christ we are, he’s asking if a pastor who struggles with porn is still a pastor, can he not still be a Christian even though he’s in love with someone of the same gender? I had this exact problem and I’ve cried multiple times out of heartbreak over it, it’s like telling a husband the wife you would want to marry, you cannot have, and the strong feelings of love you have for her are not justified. Just a food for thought before ppl judge this kid. I’ve tried to love women but it’s not any harder than a heterosexual woman trying to fall in love with another woman or a white woman trying to be born with black skin and blonde hair. Anyone who hasn’t lived with this problem for 27 years of their life, I would say I envy you, it’s not something I would wish on my worst enemy, to always have it looked like I have it figured out, to promise pastors and friends I will marry a beautiful Christian woman when my heart is in love with someone else, to have the whole image of a full Christian put together, but I’ve never been good at faking it, I can’t have what my heart craves and it tears me to shreds, I have friends who complain to me about their girl issues that they can’t decide which girl to pick to marry while I kindly just laugh it off and empathise with them whilst I have completely no idea what it feels like to be even remotely attracted to a girl yet alone in love since they don’t know. It eats me from the inside out and I get teary eyed when leaving my friends to go back to a home all alone. But I have to press on, I have to be the good Christian everyone expects me to be, these feelings have to be kept hidden, otherwise if I play the white picket fence false Christian life I’ll be tricking my potential wife and someone’s daughter into loving someone they think is in love with them when really I would be pretending to be and using them to cover up the fact that I don’t want my church to know I have these feelings I was born with. And no, it doesn’t suddenly dissapear because I was born again, I’ve heard that statement one too many times now. I want the real Christianity, the honest truth, the rawness, and the raw truth is that, I am someone who has fallen in love with my friend and I need either grace or judgement. If there is no law against the love that I have but against the sex that I have then I’ll take the love over sex any day. But if I also can’t love freely then I’m damned to not be worthy enough like most of these guys who have a loving relationship that isn’t founded on sex but love alone…. It’s a conundrum at times but hey, Christianity isn’t without suffering right
Most of human love is disordered, doing what is either unlawful or profane. And so I say those who’s love is disordered the truth is our desire for closeness with another human, man or woman, is actually a desire for closeness with God. It’s human, possibly even diabolic, to believe that closeness with God is not what you truly desire. Is it that your love cannot be returned? Then be with The Heart that has so loved man and received nothing in return. Has He not loved you? Through beatings, profanities and death he has loved you!
Hey man, I feel you. I was once in your shoes also, so I can empathize with the struggle. I was raised in a Christian home so I couldn't tell anyone of my inclinations, plus we are Nigerian and I've seen what they do such people here. I tried everything to stop but failed miserably. I tried using will power, threats, self-torture and a whole lot of other things. I had a whole host of issues aside this so it wasn't fun at all. The truth is, the more I tried, the more I failed. But, I remember hearing a sermon where the pastor pretty much talked about porn (which I also struggled with), and other addictions and how to break free from them. I thought he was crazy when he said to stop trying and rely solely on God's grace. He said that the more you rely on your self effort and will power, the more you'll fail. Instead trust on God's grace to make you whole inside out. We can put on a facade on our outside, but it won't change who we are - or rather who we perceive ourselves to be. Best to trust our Lord Jesus, who loved us to death to change us from the inside out. I put this to the test and strangely enough it worked. All I did was confess that "I am the righteousness of God in Christ" whenever I had those desires, and even while watching porn and to my surprise, over time those desires faded away. It felt impossible, like magic, but it happened. Rather than pretending not to be attracted to the same sex, I genuinely have no interest anymore. I dream about having a wife, kids, and building a loving family. Even when the thoughts come again, I proclaim who I am in Christ. I am not a closet homosexual. I am who God made me to be. The world tells us to accept these lying thoughts and declare them as our identity. Grace tells us to proclaim our identity in Christ. I can't imagine what its like to live your life, but trust me when I say that Christ's finished work is all you need. Self effort can only take you so far. Grace will take you all the way.
@@lordkinjarel thank you very much for that. Single handed probably the reply I’ve been looking for. I myself am your neighbour in the sense that I’m British Ghanaian. I believe it’s easy for someone who doesn’t have the issue to say just give up your inordinate affection, but it’s not as easy as that. Also have you ever been in love with another male before? What do I do if I’m in love, like a husband is in love with his wife? What do I do? I won’t have sex no, but my love is it valid? Does it count for anything even though the feelings are genuine? Why do only straight people get to have the happy ending with the love of their life? Would it also be fair to tell them if they care so much why don’t they give up their love of their life too if they wish to show me it’s that easy. Truth hurts and it’s never that easy, I’m thankful that someone who knows this exact pain is here tbh
Ty for sharing. I too saw the overlooked point of the young man asking his dad those questions. As to your struggle, I share it from a heterosexual perspective. Meaning I used to live a very promiscuous life and now that I’m married I still struggle regularly with aldulterous desires. I’ve wondered why those desires aren’t “cured “ in Christ. The truth is that I’m this life we will suffer through temptations among other things. As a Christian we must rely on Gods grace to give us the power to resist those temptations. This is the refining fire that God used to cleanse and strengthen us. So fight on! Where people get the gospel wrong is that they think they need to do the good things that pleases God. That’s performance Christianity and misunderstands the gospel. When you truly apprehend the gospel it will be the thing that produces good works in you. Share your sin with your brothers and sisters even if they don’t handle it right. The Bible tells us to do this. It will help set you free.
This is where most people confuse what the SIN actually is. The sin isn’t loving somebody of the same sex, it’s having sex outside of the biblical definition of marriage. So can you live with your best friend of the same sex and still be in God’s grace? Why not, where is the sin? Abstinence is a thing.
What this channel needs to do is a complete emersion into an internet study series about how Luther/Calvinism has change Christianity from the original texts to a New Religion! Being totally honest and throwing out all denominational doctrines that have been grown out of the "false doctrine" of the reformation these past 500 years!
Both are sin, but from what we gather in scripture, it comes down to the attitude and the heart (1 Samuel 16:7). This man's son is an unrepentant sinner. He has an attitude of, "my sin isn't any worse than that of that pastor." In which case, he is correct in that logic, as we have all fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)... Except, he mistakes something very crucial: If the pastor is a true man of God, then he will recognize that he is in sin, confess it to the Lord, and try to do better next time. Whereas the son in this example has no such acknowledgement, but justifies his sin because other people sin; and therefore thinks his sin is of no consequence.
I'm a Christian so this is an honest inquiry. Just wondering do you choose who you're attracted to? For example, do you choose to be attracted and desire the opposite sex and the same sex equally? Because being a heterosexual in Christianity is usually accepted as that is how I was made. I was made to desire and love the opposite sex. Now you can choose to watch corn and choose to commit adultery but do you have the choice who you desire both male and female equally? If you don't have a choice then when you hear someone say "I'm homosexual" which is a noun just as if I say "Im heterosexual" do you believe they have a choice as to who they desire? I am just trying to gauge how Christians think about this topic.
@@mbfrommb3699 No you can't control who you are attracted to but you can can control what you do about it. The Bible is very clear that homosexual acts is a sin. Having homosexual attraction is not at all a sin no matter what Christians may tell you. There are Christians who have the urge to get drunk. There are Christians who have the urge to have premarital sex. All that matters is we don't act.
@@karaokehammick5215 I agree with everything you said except for, "Having homosexual attraction is not at all a sin no matter what Christians may tell you." Lust (attraction) is a sin, regardless if it's heterosexual or homosexual. We are fallen, and our default mode is wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). The only time lust isn't a sin is when a husband and their wife lusts after their own spouse. Every other physical attraction is sin, regardless if you have control over it or not. Hence, why we need a savior. But, as you said, what we do with those desires, and also how we rationalize those thoughts, that truly matters.
@@AFFL1CTED1 Being sexually attracted to someone is never a choice and sin is always a choice. Lust is wanting to have sex with someone which is a choice. Lust literally means want. Sexual attraction is unavoidable. Temptation is not sin. Even Jesus was tempted as we were. Do you believe he never once had to deal with temptations with other women?
@@karaokehammick5215 Thank you for showing the stupidity of modern Christianity in your comment. My only question to you is "Have you made a lifelong commitment to be celibate?" Your view shows the blatant double standard Christians fail to address. By removing the covering of marriage given to heterosexuals the only option they leave homosexuals is lifelong celibacy and we have ample history of the damage forced celibacy can do in the Catholic church. See the lie is that Christians change the conversation from the noun "No you can't control who you are attracted to" to the verb " but you can can control what you do about it." Then they change the context to corn or adultery. This is the big lie. marriage is GOD's covering so that in marriage we have the ability to deal with our urges desires, etc with our spouse. Being a married man and choosing corn over my wife, or adultery over my wife is a sin because I have a wife. Paul in 1 Cor 7 says if you have uncontrollable urges get married. So what does this man's son say he's 20 years old do, where he can't control who he is attracted to and who he desires for the rest of his life? Where does he get intimacy, companionship, and sex from? I have to wonder if this is what 1 Timothy 4:1-5 is talking about "Now the (Holy) Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. The only group I can think of in these latter times that forbids marriage are conservative Christians. I could be wrong but that's how I read it. Thank you for your comment.
*_1Jn _**_2:15_**_ Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him._* *_1Jn _**_2:16_**_ For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world._* *_1Jn _**_2:17_**_ And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever._* *_- KJB_* *_Deu 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed._* *_- KJB_* *_Mat _**_6:24_**_ No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon._* *_- KJB_* *_Jas _**_1:14_**_ But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed._* *_Jas _**_1:15_**_ Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death._* *_Jas _**_1:16_**_ Do not err, my beloved brethren._* *_- KJB_* My post is for the Christian Dad and his Gay Son, a situation that I also found myself in so many years ago. I was, am, the gay son. Eventually a Priest helped me with Bible Scripture, relating to today's world as I had been the gay son. Today, I've been married about 35 years with two boys and one daughter. All three are married and I have two grandsons, and counting. Both are preschool, thus far. Learn and obey God the Father. God Bless
That's something I've been struggling and trying to point out. Some of the good things people strive for don't have to be aimed at. Some of the good things we have are simply the fruits and results of our labor. One of the simplest examples I can think of is a tournament. The prize and/or trophy is simply a fruit. It is unnecessary to aim at those things. And that brings it back to aiming at the right thing. That's all that's needed. No need to aim at the excess.
@@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme I should have clarified my statement. I'm not judging, stating that salvation is in Jesus. We love those around us, minister to them, and pray for them. Sin itself is to be apart from God and all of us have sinned aside from Christ Jesus. We can love the sinner but that does not mean we accept sin.
@@curtiscarnahan6580 only God has the choice to be self-righteous in condemnation of sin. As a sinner, your job is to love God and love your neighbor. Remember Jesus’s commandments about casting stones. Cast away but make sure you are blameless before you do
I do not think the Church has elevated homosexuality - I think that is the red herring, or perhaps a straw man. Proportion, not hypocrisy, is the cause of the disparity. The overlooked cause is that our society is at fault for thrusting the topic upon us with increasing regularity. Therefore it only appears like we are fixated on this one issue..
Sin is risking harm for fleeting moments of pleasure like you don't have forever to enjoy yourself now before you go without and suffer anguish for loosing all the things you love. Ask the doctors. They'll tell you that anal sex can cause sever infections for both gay and straight couples no matter how healthy they are. If you get excrement in your urethra, you can get a urinary tract infection or even a bladder infection that might kill you if untreated. This has nothing to do with patriarchy or tradition. It has to do with sanitation. And it is true for both gay and straight couples. Swimming in a lake is fine. But if it were contaminated with bacteria, would the state allow you to swim in that lake, even if you knew the risks and wanted to swim there anyway? I don't think so. They would haul you away to have your head examined. Anal sex is obviously unsanitary. And putting your mouth on someone else's defecating parts is also obviously unsanitary for any couples, gay or straight.
I jus got ecoli and colitiis...48 used to identify as gay man..yes anal sex is not healthy physically too & rimming..we need to be teaching our chikdren this stuff..our bodies are supposed to be temples..one time I heard a pastor say God prob gv men prostate stimulation to make it feel good to go poop...lol that is prob true...there is no such thing as "safer sex" I wish i would hv known...sex belongs between a male and a female inside marriage..extension of their love...its true..& I used to be gay!
"Unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of God" the new birth gives a new heart of flesh that is sensitive to and wars against sin, by The Holy Spirit.
Most pastors wouldn't be willing "trying" to look at that stuff on a regular basis, and somehow trying to JUSTIFY it. They wouldn't be having a parade or an entire month boasting about it either. Most would know that's it's wrong, and wanting to quit. Let's use an example of adultery. Christians who have fallen into that sin aren't holding an "Adulterers Pride" parade and boasting/relishing in it. Completely different attitudes towards said sins.
you hit the nail on the head we all struggle with something but its our attitude toward that sin that is most important , not to justifly it ingnore it or say its ok its just a little sin , we will struggle with the world the flesh and the devil until we are in heaven we must always be humble and honest with God
Good point. There are believers who struggle desperately with sin including sexual sin and it is a thorn but although they struggle it's never seen as an opportunity to redefine their sin as a virtue or justified. Once you do that then the need for repentance disappears and the slippery slope follows.
@@e.m.8094 Sounds like gods problem. Doesnt sound all loving if he is intolerant. He lets gay people face prejudice by his followers in the real world and then lets them suffer for eternity in the afterlife unless they force themselves to be straight??? Now you see why we will NEVER turn to religion
GOD still calls homosexuality a sin and an abomination 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
But is homosexuality actually harmful in any way? When 2 people love each other, what is your justification for saying that it is an abomination rather than wonderful?
@@lawrenceeason8007 What does it mean to treat others well? Different moral systems exist and have existed that have little to nothing to do with how you treat others or where the treatment of others is secondary to something else. So why is your proposed method the superior one?
@@Doc-Holliday1851we humans abide by well being…unless you are destructive. Everybody does…including you. Of course every person can have whatever moral view they want…because morality is subjective. But well being is the universal moral standard. Question for you. Who/what says your particular god is moral/just?
Many people buy into the lie that they are born that way, the lie that the Lord's saving love is unconditional, and the lie that once we have truly received a new nature with Christ that our disposition towards our sins and the sins of others won't radically change. No pick up your cross every day and follow me to Calvary so they can die, and you can be resurrected with Me but without them. More like, skip the cross and go straight to the resurrection because we want the joy without the journey through the pain of the cross. We also buy the lie that all judgement is bad and we shouldn't do it or accept it, and for many that includes rejecting the judgements against their sins from the Lord's word or from others in the church (even though such judgement is required from us in places like 1 Corinthians 5 and Matthew 18). So, we prefer the sweet sounding lies instead of the real truth and in doing so we follow a gentle (by the world's definition, not God's which is strength under control) and generic Jesus of our own making. Sad 😢
I work with a man as defined by his birth who married another man. He told me the other day that if his husband stepped out of the marriage he would kill him that is my point man’s love has boundaries and so must God’s many times they don’t match
For people who have AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) they outwardly physically look like women but have XY chromosomes. Should they marry a man because they appear like a woman? Or should they marry a woman because they have XY chromosomes? How do we make sure they don't sin? Be single? But scripture says it is not good be alone. I guess if you're in this situation, you're doomed.
The notion of having to please an entity that is allegedly completely beyond us and has no needs or worries as we do... is both utterly absurd and thoroughly repulsive to me.
Is this a sincere question or not? Because if it is, it's first good to acknowledge what the Bible clearly teaches. 1 Corinthians 7:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. The new covenant clearly taught, that being single is the best situation and remaining single (if we can) is something to strive for because you can serve God with all of you time. How do you think about that teaching?
You can read Jimmy Akin's article "Intersexed Marriages" for an attempted Christian response, but there really is no way to acknowledge the reality of the sex 'binary' being fuzzy and still strictly enforce heterosexuality. Even outside of intersexism I think the idea of a man loving someone like Blaire White being homosexual is ridiculous anyways
The question was "is there a difference in God's eyes between a homosexual and a person who watches porn? Which person is better?" and before you answer this question you need to answer another one first "by what standart do you decide what's right and wrong". If you don't base your moral standarts on God's word, then there's nothing wrong with being gay, porn addict etc. because then you're morals are based on people's opinion, which means that moral is relative. But if God's real and he is the one who defines what's good and right, then both a homosexual and a the person who watches porn are sinners. In fact, all of us are sinners, we sin every single way in a different ways. That's why we need Jesus Christ.
@@Bilbo383 I'm sorry If you don't get it. Then let me ask you, what's wrong with Frank's answer? How would you reply to a question that cannot be simply answered with "yes or no" answer?
@@chmurny_typ it's a good way to distract the listener to overlook his statement that being homosexual is evil, that's the main criticism. Just say, "being gay is wrong because the Bible says so". That is far more direct and to the point. This is common practice in just about all forms of religious apologetics. Jihadist Muslims especially
Resist temptation at all cost. Selfishness is sin. One of Satan's plots to corrupt Christians conviction. Stay frosty, sober, steadfast. Stop, take the Straight and narrow path. Try and keep trying to stave off sinful temptation; perseverance to finish our life's race to heaven. Thank you Jesus! ✝️🙏🏻🙌🏻
If the father's son understood justice, he would more than likely understand his need for grace. If he accepted that grace, he could understand what "good moral behavior" is, because the heart change would have already begun, and for the first time ever there would actually be power to change. Plus, like for the heterosexual, he would recognize that no matter how much he changes for the better, he would still need grace.
I disagree that our purpose in life is to know God and make Him known.. those are wonderful by products. The purpose is to love the Lord with all our heart mind soul and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we do that we will know God and make him known. But it starts with the greatest commandment. And love for God means we don't tolerate or accept sin first in our own lives and because we love others and know that sin produces death in them, we don't tolerate or accept it in theirs either.
Although I'm not a Christian (nor do I agree that gay people ought to be celibate) I appreciate the lady that said it's all wrong. I've noticed a lot of Christian friends being consistent in their sexual ethics. No fornication, no adultery, & no gay sex. I can respect this position even if I disagree with it.
@@ministermattocks7570 Of course. But I don't think the lady in the video is homophobic. She just simply has a strong religious viewpoint. I can respect that.
--- *"Nothing wrong with homosexuality."* -- That doesn't mean a whole lot coming from someone who believes everything is "natural n normal". There's nothing wrong with anything when you stand for nothing. Just like you....
@@TomMichael5678 it was a simple question Tom. Please answer it. Wasn’t that what you were doing in another thread? Whining and complaining that I didn’t answer your question? So do you have double standards and are a hypocrite? If not then answer the very simple question I asked. Or admit you have double standards and are a hypocrite…..
@@therick363 Do you or DO YOU NOT remember the discussion we had some time ago starting off with the same question? Answer this! If you DON'T answer this, I'm not responding to you.
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Reading the New Testament from Jesus's words. I've learned just like Frank is saying you have to accept the sins and repent and not lie to yourself that you're being moral but knowing that you're sinning and asking Jesus for forgiveness.
Is it even possible to stop sinning? I fall so many times and feel so horrible and it's sometimes really hard to come back to christ and to ask him for forgiveness. I feel so ashamed when for example I argue with my mother or do other sins and realize later what I have done.
You're not in such a bad place. "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves." 2 Cor 13:5. Being "neurotic" is better than being blasé about Grace.
No, it is not possible. If it was, there would be no need for God's grace. We are all born sinners. The best we can do is try to be better everyday, and ask God for His forgiveness and guidance when we inevitably fall short. Every disciple committed sins and knew wickedness in their hearts, and Jesus forgave them knowing full well they would fail again, and each time He forgave them.
@patrickjawisdom4141 yeah I know, but it's just so unbelievably frustrating, you know. Like it feels impossible to beat lust for example. Like idk I feel like I'm a hypocrite when I go and try to tell my friends about Jesus but in the next moment, I fall into lust for example. It's so frustrating to do the things you know you should not do. It feels like you are disappointing God each day. Idk if it makes sense what I'm saying lmao but I thank you guys for your words. That's a good example why we need to connect with people who belive in God. I hope that someone who struggles with the same things can read the comments of you guys to know that they are not alone in that spot.
@@LonelyGato Since you're admitting your fault, you're not a hypocrite. You'd only be a hypocrite if you were claiming to be good. You're not good, none of us are. Keep up the fight.
To me this is pretty subjective. I am not of the persuasion that homosexuality is an automatic death sentence as far as morals . I think it’s the lifestyle that is likely when dealing in homosexuality many times it’s a hedonistic, often times more mental instability. Let’s also not forget the fact that there is no natural reproduction within a homosexual relationship so there is no natural flourishing or growth. Even with all that said I do believe there are a few homosexual relationships which are well adjusted and not idol seeking which is not harmful.. I just feel like those relationships are the oddity not the norm. As an antidote all the homosexuals I know were either sexually abused as children or are suffering from some other serious idol worship spiritual warfare, so usually the sexual preference is a byproduct of something else.
@@Qetesh777 "so usually the sexual preference is a byproduct of something else" How have you determined their being gay is the byproduct of these things?
It's not necessary to explain, because God doesn't use that as a metric for His laws. There's no "demonstrable harm" in worshipping false idols, using the Lord's name in vain, or adultery either.
@@patrickjawisdom4141 Of course there is demonstrable harm caused by adultery. And you believe that something should be able to condemn someone to hell, even though one can determine nothing bad about it?
@@Qetesh777 Homophobia is a death sentence to God.....as is the lifestyle of it. There is also no natural reproduction in heterosexuals with low sperm count or barron women or old people.....
In whomever religion somebody chooses..... They have to follow commands, prayers ect..... in Christianity we choose Jesus christ, so therefore we have to follow
1 John 3:7 (AMP) "Little children (believers, dear ones), do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who practices righteousness [the one who strives to live a consistently honorable life-in private as well as in public-and to conform to God’s precepts] is righteous, just as He is righteous."
There are True Christians, False Christians and Nonbelievers! Seek G-d and let the Holy Spirit guide you! Repent meaning agree with the word of G-d, agree with the Bible! Shalom!
Sadly no, you cannot love your sin and love God as well. I suggest you really read the Bible for yourself and ask God to open your eyes to his truth. There are so many people that like to twist the scripture so that it makes their sin not so bad or turns their sin into a virtue. When you plainly read it with an open and honest heart you will clearly see that same-sex relationships in any way shape or form is not what God designed for men and women. Praying that your eyes will be open to God's truth he loves you enough to tell you the things you don't want to hear but the things you need to hear.
It’s like going to the doctor and find out you have a severe infection that will kill you. But you tell the doctor, I don’t want the cure because there’s doctors out there that have cancer. It makes no sense in that logic.
The difference for some.. specifically in the LG TV community Ala ruslan .. is that those in the same sex relationships don't think they are doing anything wrong. Before..during and after I go near pron .. I know. And am ashamed.. and even turn from God momentarily because of the shame.. then I try harder to not do it again .. if it is not recognized and repented against. Then you're just missing the point.. love that you always go at the hard questions and always have such heartfelt answers 🙏❤️
Looking at these comments, the modern Christian thinks it is their job to correct sinners. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Read the Bible. Pay special attention to the words in red.
100%. Man, it’s been this way for so so long. I’ve always thought a ton of “christians” are really moralists. It’s about having a moral code vs following Christ.
If a sinner believes they are not committing sins, it is the responsibility of one who believes to inform them. Jesus didn't tell the adulterer that what she was doing was totally cool, he told her to go forth and sin no more. When was the last time you paid any attention to those "words in red?"
Its a very easy solution but very difficult to achieve . Like any other sin , You may have your feelings but you need to pray to the Lord that you don't act on them.
Библия, Деяния Апостолов 17:30-31: "Итак, оставляя времена неведения, Бог ныне повелевает людям всем повсюду покаяться, ибо Он назначил день, в который будет праведно судить вселенную, посредством предопределенного Им Мужа, подав удостоверение всем, воскресив Его из мертвых." Иисус умер за наши грехи. И воскрес в третий день. Покайтесь и веруйте в Него. Читайте Библию.
Should hes son be treated the way described in Matthew 20:13 (KJV) ? "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Cindy McGill's book, "Words That Work..." covers this is such loving detail, and has helped the Godless, The God Lost and the God Hardened...it's how we talk about these things. The term "Christian" isn't even in the Bible, "Follower of Jesus," however is. The language is part of how these conversations are approached. Understanding also the prophetic, words of knowledge as part of this, is important...love, is the way to address any issue, ANY. True Jesus was consistent with His language.
Asking people by what absolute standard do they use to decide good and bad is a key question. I have not been able to get one person to answer that. when we turn our back on what our Creator says is good for us then there is no standard, it is just whatever we each decide is right or wrong which changes from day to day and leads to chaos
There is no absolute standard. All we have access to is subjective standards. Even christians use subjective standards, they just mistakenly call it objective, or absolute. Even if a god existed, and gave us a standard, that would still be a subjective standard.
It sounded to me like the son was acknowledging that same sex marriage is wrong, but saying that if pastors are allowed weakness in the area of pornography, then he should be allowed weakness in the area of homosexuality. Not saying he's right, just what I think I heard.
Then the son is misrepresenting the argument. God never said priests can watch porn. They have to repent, which means to be truly sorry and commit to overcoming their weakness. I don't think the son is applying that standard to himself.
The call to repentance cannot be left out this discussion. The grace of Christ is given to free us from practicing sin as well. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Romans 6:1-2
You are either getting grace or justice. I just had this discussion last Sunday. People have various contentions with the bible, not understanding humanity from God's point of view. None of us can argue their case from a position of strength. They are not somehow innocent. They/we have already been judged we are just waiting for God to carry out the sentencing. We can throw ourselves on the mercy of the court or stand on our own merit.
Let's talk about how God is not counting our sins against us. That is a subject we are afraid to address. The problem isn't sodomy, lesbianism, pornography, or sexual immorality. The problem is why are people engaging in these sins? This gets to the heart of the matter. People are engaging in sin because they are looking for love, acceptance, meaning, and purpose from the people, places, and things of the world instead of from God because they are spiritually dead. God created us for the need to be loved, accepted, and to have meaning and purpose in our lives. God put that need there because only He can meet it through faith in Jesus Christ. Once God meets that need, we stop looking for it. This leads to the diminishing of sins as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord. But, we can't get to the deeper issues of the heart because we stop at the physical issues of our flesh.
Actually The problem isn't homophobia and bigotry. The problem is why are people engaging in these sins? This gets to the heart of the matter. People are engaging in hate sin because they are looking for love, acceptance, meaning, and purpose from the homophobic people, places, and things of the world instead of from God because they are spiritually dead.
We all fall short. Whoever doesn’t fall here, falls there. We need Jesus and in order to be better a bit at the time, we need to engage more with the Lord, and that is the hard part.
While the Frank's answer is true, I wish Frank would stayed on the topic of the gay son. I believe the father was asking about how to respond to his gay son's questions and comments. Frank initially touched on it but went on a tangent about needing a savior. I know I am Monday quaterbacking but I wish he addressed the second part of the son's question more throughly.
It would have been nice if they would have given more advice on how to deal with this issue. If 30% of gen z are going through this stuff the leaders need to help us.
Loving another person with your heart and soul is absolutely NOT a sin and in doing so becoming a union and expressing love in an intimate way is accepted by God! Who did Jesus Christ condemn for loving the same sex?
Love is not lust. And to answer your question: everyone. Everyone and anyone engaging in homosexual behavior is condemned, as the Word of God: Jesus Christ states. Sure, you can lie and believe it's accepted by God, but that's not the truth and reality of it. That would simply be called living a lie, or a fantasy, which is ill-minded.
@@Man.of.God30 and I also have to be baptized to go to heaven! I have read countless stories of NDE’s and there is no secretary asking to see their baptism certificate before entering heaven! If you love Jesus Christ in your heart, he will guide you! Love in any form is not “sinful “ trust me, I’m sure there are more “Christians “ going to hell than homosexuals that love God
@@Man.of.God30 I truly can’t understand, why? People are so against “homosexuality “ when it’s not “chosen” it’s pre existing! I never made a “choice “ to be attracted to women!
@@Flyonthewall111 Most, but not all, do NOT choose to be LGBTQ+ but DO choose to live out that lifestyle. No, they're not born that way - that's nonsensical. No, I don't trust you, for I'm aware that you have no idea what you're talking about and ASSUME that's how things work. What are you basing your POV on?
Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Our comparison is not our fellow man! Our comparison is Christ! I, you, Frank, your Pastor, your parents, that sweet little grandmother you love; has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Roman's 3:23. All means everyone! Christ Himself knew (0) sin, yet became sin on our behalf, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God. ( 2 Corinthians 5:21 )
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I don't think the father of the gay son was asking to challenge Frank, I think he was asking so he can learn what to say to his son. In many of his statements to Frank, you can hear the sorrow and pain in the father's voice, because he wants to help and loves his son.
The words are, "I'm sorry I wasn't there to save you from abuse"
I agree...I kind of felt as though his question was misconstrued and it seemed that Frank was bit too quick to become a little defensive. (Having said that, I recently discovered Frank Turek and enjoy his videos.)
@@dallassegnoI’m a guy and struggle with the same sin, I was never sexually raped or violated so stop this idea that this particular sin requires some sort of childhood rape to trigger it when the Bible says “we were conceived in sin” and the heart devises all these ways to come up with sin, who do you think the first evidence of a gay human being was raped by? As a 27 year old who struggles with this thing I can tell you I had both loving parents in my life. I was conceived this way unfortunately because of Adam. As far as I can remember my first attraction as young as 8 was a fellow classmate of mine, which I innocently acted on and had no clue or idea where it came from. So next time please speak with some facts before 🙏🏽
@GhostRider-ce3ebIf that’s true, God destroyed two cities for nothing then? Stop believing and spreading the lies of Satan himself.
@GhostRider-ce3eb
Don't lie to The Man.
We must share Truth - in 2008, I was a gay-identified man, in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship, active in an affirming church, then found myself in an ICU where the medical team classified me clinically dead after a 22-minute flatline. I experienced death, judgement and hell. When I couldn’t take any more demonic torment, I cried out in repentance, “Jesus!” and I heard the Savior say, “I am here.” At that moment, I saw with my eyes the Wind of the Holy Spirit fill my ICU and with great power, He pick up Satan and the demonic and blew them out of the room. On that day, my life changed, the redemptive Blood of Jesus cleared my mind of perversion, and completely healed and restored every failing organ. Glory to God!
HalleluYah amen
@@bigbkeepitreelfishing praise His Name!
Amen
Amen
So the medical professionals did nothing for you..? You give all the credit to God and none to the people that actually did things for you…
Funny thing is you’ll never have enough faith to test that theory. You’ll always end up going to the hospital.. trusting in humans.. and not your deity.. but never give any credit to the people that sacrificed their life to save yours..
In order to justify one person’s own sin, the trend is to justify other sins.
We're all in leaky boats. That other guy's boat might have a few more holes than yours, but both are bound for the bottom. Only way out is to climb aboard God's (actually) unsinkable ship when He tosses you a lifeline.
@@oddish4352 totally
Exactly. It's a whole lot easier to look "good" when compared to fallen man than when you compare yourself to Jesus.
Or call your sin your identity
@@geoffreyallen9314 : "God made me this way" is the most common rebuttal that I hear when discussing the sin of homosexuality with others, after which I have to explain that we live in a sinful world, not Heaven, and we are accountable for our actions, not our temptations.
I'm always amazed at how straight people tackle this issue. I am a former lesbian who was steeped in the lifestyle until Jesus set me free. The question the son asked was simply to justify his sin. Two rights do not make a wrong. This father needs some answers. His son is stuck in a false identity. Something that rarely changes absent Christ. Homosexuality is a sin - even more, it is a severe stronghold. It can take time to unravel. But the first step is son becoming a child of God. Without Jesus, there is no hope of redemption - for anyone. I minister to parents and friends of gays, gays themselves, and I am now battling the church, which, sadly, has bought the many lies surrounding the gay lifestyle. We have alot of work to do.
UPDATE: Several people here have commented on their sexual struggles longing for an answer from God and a way out. YET, when they are given that counsel and opportunity, they grow silent and leave. The truth is, they don't really want out of their sin. They just want someone to condone their behavior. This is called CHOICE. Choose God or choose sin. Can't have both.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
I’d love to hear your conversion story.
@dansaber4427 that is your opinion, but unfortunately, not what the Bible teaches. I get it, though. I felt the same at one time. God is patient and gracious through our changes. But He will never condone willfully living a life contrary to His will.
Thank you for explaining!
@@StandUp777 actually upon closer inspection those verses describe the fellowship you find yourself in. Who you are authentically is actively being dominated by the ideal you. That's the bad kind of ss relationship the Bible is talking about. Is Jesus your husband? Because you're cheating on him.
On the subject of good moral people...
Jesus said, "why do you call me "good?" No one is good except the Father."
At first i was confused by this passage. Was He saying Hes not good? If He's not, then who is? Then i realized he was really asking, "what are you basing good on? To what standard? How do you even know what good is?" Because no one had ever seen or met anyone who was truly good. There had never been a man without sin until that time. Amd Jesus is good because "no one is good except the Father." And everything He did was through the Father (John 5:19)
Don't you think that claim is scary? Only god is good?
Didn't god order and condone sl4very, mis0gyny, stoning g4ys, gen0c1de and gr4ping virgin girls?
How can that be good? Or do you just accept that can do whatever he wants?
Also He's saying He is the same as the Father. No one is good except for the Father and yet the man is calling Jesus good. He isn't saying He's wrong He is saying He's God.
@@joshuaroberts2137
💯Amen✝️🕊️
Thanks for all those reflections, that passage had me a little stumped and it's more clear now❤
And there had never been a man without since Jesus walked on the earth.
Research shows that pornography use is actually more prevalent in LGBTQ adolescents than in their heterosexual counterparts. Thus, to invoke pornography use by some Christians to mitigate homosexuality is not only inappropriate but also disingenuous.
Why do you think LGBTQ adolescents use porn more than their heterosexual counterparts? Does any of the research you cite give any reasons?
Why do you think they use pornogrpahy more? Do you thinks it's because they're more immoral?
@@alp5088I'm just making a guess but it might be that their sexuality is corrupted and they have lost control over their temptations.
It's disingenuous regardless.
Sometimes it is to justify why they would want to do that without being judged. So for example you see a self acclaimed pastor commit adultery, you are also a porn addict. Even though you know it's wrong but you can't help it you'll then try to raise the former to justify why you are a porn addict after all
Doesn't matter what the stats say. Whether you're Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Trans. Pornography is bad and unfortunately I myself struggle with Porn/Lust.
Love and acceptance are two totally different things you still have love for your child if you don't accept their lifestyle. Jesus loved Sinners but he did not wear a pride flag
And just as the bible says you will love that child even more if they change that lifestyle. ❤
No matter how my child turns out, if they live a life that is oppositional of my personal moral beliefs, I don't have to respect that. But everyone does not have the same moral beliefs, and our beliefs do not make us moral.
Not before or after Christ.
Christ was the only one moral.
Nobody on this planet looks at morality the same, because we have none and we have never been, and have never known it.
We only have self-righteousness (pride) and my pride has sinned against God every time. What is right to us, is not right to God, no matter how just we may think we are being. And even if we do good, the sin the condemned us would be there every step of the way, without Christ.
You think the way you think because of sin, you do not know or understand total morality, and you are no more moral than your child.
You have probably taught your child more sin, than anything, and are completely unaware of it.
If you cast the first stone, God will cast the last one.
Salvation is a very serious thing.
@@DarikStoneimagine putting an imaginary man before you own flesh and blood.
😊 2:09 @@DarikStone
He's not imaginary. Read the NKJV bible and seek the truth. @DM-dk7js
When we are truly born again, we realize what wretched sinners we are, and in that realization we see how we have been cheating on God with sin. We see how ugly we've been to God and how we are not worthy of His forgiveness. But most importantly, we cry out like never before and ask for His guidance and strength to overcome sin. Once this has happened, there is a cleansing of the heart and a renewing of the spirit that transforms us. We become zealous for God and realize that we are here to represent the King. All glory to the most high!
Perfectly said
this is how we know homophobics are NOT born again as they don't think their sin is a sin.....
Hey family if you have a child battling homosexuality be encouraged. I battled homosexuality for years. But parents please fervently pray for your children. Remember family the prayers of the righteous availeth much!
I am now married to my God fearing, handsome, extraordinary husband! And we welcomed our firstborn ten months ago! No matter how much someone looks bound within our own standards. Jesus came to set the captives free!
Yeah that is a lie, I will be ensuring that you are fired from your job
Glory to God! In truth, He works and manifests His glory over those who seek Him with a fervent and sincere heart. What's impossible to humanity, to God is so easy to do. He frees, liberates and heals, transforming us from the inside out. Thank you for sharing your testimony, God bless you and your family!
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Hey family if you have a child battling homophobia be encouraged. I battled bigotry for years. But parents please fervently pray for your bigoted children. Remember family the prayers of the righteous availeth much!
@@xXEGPXx seems like someone is upset…..why are you mad at someone freedom. I pray you get to know Christ because he is SO AMAZING. And the weapons will form but they won’t prosper.
And you can’t get me fired I am not afraid of you nor the master you serve. But I pray for you.
@@Man.of.God30 and God hates homophobia
“Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The problem is that every single person on the face of the planet has indulged in sexual sin, has worshiped titles, has stolen something, been greedy, been drunk, abuse, someone, or cheated someone.
Which means none of us is qualified to judge sinners
Paul is listing the people that have not come to believe on Jesus Christ. Before we believe on Christ, these are the titles we have. However, verse 11 goes on to teach that they are no longer these people because they have been cleansed by Jesus Christ. This DOES NOT mean that they have completely stopped doing ANY of these sins. Believers all around the world struggle with most of these. Paul is pointing out that because they are believers in Christ, God does not see them as these anymore. Now, God sees them as His children. Heirs to the Kingdom of God. Why? Because they have put their belief/faith on His Son Jesus Christ. When the Father looks upon believers, He sees His sons and daughters, NOT sinners. Paul is trying to encourage the brothers and sisters in Christ to put away these desires. Not to earn, maintain, or prove their salvation, but as James points out in James 2, that it will be profitable to the believer and mankind. We should strive to be like Christ, not because it's required, but because we want to. I try to do good and sin less to give thanks for Jesus Christ for what He did for me. I'm not perfect at this. I fail everyday. But, I know I am His, forever.
Remember, Paul expressed his struggle with sin in the book of Romans. His outer man keeps sinning while his inner man hates the sinning. Paul states that he would like to do good but in him is the desire to do bad. He does the bad on which he wishes he could stop doing, and neglects to do the good he wishes he could do. Then thanks Jesus Christ for the promise of one day fully redeeming Paul from the wicked man he is.
John teaches that if we say we are without sin then we make Him a liar.
@@Jesse-JC
Yet your heart should ache each time you knowingly are committing sin.
And even sick if living in sin daily.
The Holy Spirit is The One helping you in the renewing you require to become more like Jesus daily in this set apart sanctification walk with Him.
If you are actually walking with Jesus you will not desire to live a, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, arrogant pride, sin-filled lifestyle of ANY kind.
@@user-br3ou2cs9o I agree with you totally. The Holy Spirit is our helper and guide. And yes, we should ache when we've sinned. I want to simply point out that we will fail at the perfection described in the Bible and to encourage believers to not doubt their salvation. Lots of believers begin to worry they have sinned too much last week, or the day before and have sinned away their salvation. This is an impossible scenario. Christ paid for 100% of your sins... past, present, and future sins. His goal was to remove Hell off the table and He accomplished that by paying that payment for us. He's not going to let us, very imperfect people, screw that up afterwards.
He then goes on to teach us that with that security, strive to be like Him. Not to earn, maintain, or prove your salvation, but to be profitable to yourself and others. Shining bright for Christ by sinning less and increasing your good works will draw people closer to Him. The world will see Christ in you. That's the whole point.
God bless you!
@@IdontknowwhatswaitingformeActually you can make a judgment call, you can't condemn them however. If your child is hanging around a bad person you can make a judgment call and stop the behavior. No different if you stop at a store and notice some thug like characters hanging around you can make a judgement and go on down the road.
This was a great answer by Dr. Turek.
"Homosexuality isn't the one thing that keeps you out of heaven. Just as heterosexuality doesn't get you into heaven." I liked how Dr. Turek was able to point out that pastors won't get up (or shouldn't) and proclaim that porn addiction is 'good', or should be celebrated. Watching porn is almost done in secret and without an audience. It's attempted to be a hidden thing. The LGBT movement wants the "hidden" to be proclaimed and celebrated. That's very different.
Bottom line is homosexuals never repent of their sin
The bible makes no such distinction, you are saying being gay is worse than porn because you are a porn addict. So you downplay your own sins whilst elevating others, its a deflection tactic
he's being careful, i am not
leviticus 20:13
1 Corinthians 6:9-11. There are several things , the ‘’practice “ of which will prevent inheriting God’s Kingdom. Homosexuality is among them. The operative word is ‘’Practice” , if a person is genuinely repentant and crushed by their sin and the desire to be free of it’s snare, then they may find God’s mercy in escaping that snare. But any sin , when the person is unrepentant , will prevent a person from inheriting God’s Kingdom.
@@DavidDrew-n6zif you place your faith in Jesus God remembers your sins no more.
That verse finishes with:
1 Corinthians 6:11 (ESV): And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
You're not saved by repenting of your sins you are saved by faith in Christ the Holy Spirit then works on bringing repentance and sanctifying us but it is a life long process that will never be completed in this life. If you've placed your faith in Christ your sins are no longer counted against you.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
I have this quote from Ephesians on my phone wallpaper. I remind myself of this every day and is probably my most used verse to answer questions of sin and my relationship with Jesus to those asking about it.
Saved from Sin yes. An overcoming life. Not defeated by sin. This is what He came to bring.
The point that’s being missed here is that they are not repenting of their sins. They’re proud of it and two sins does not make a right because someone else is sinning doesn’t mean it gives you the right to may God open your eyes and warm your heart to the truth
Classic psychopathy
Exactly. If we as a society celebrate and accept homosexuality, then why don’t we accept and celebrate all the other sins? What makes homosexuality special and acceptable compared to the all the other sins? Even the church is accepting and celebrating this sin of homosexuality.
@@JC-cv3upwait, you really can’t tell the difference (special) between homosexuality and, for example, theft or even murder as sins?
One involves attraction and loving acts between consenting adults and the others have a perpetrator harming an innocent victim. This really isn’t hard to figure out.
So true, for if you steal one cent,or one million, you are still a thief! You can't seperate sin,all sins are equal as they all leads to condemnation by GOD!!!
@@JC-cv3up Why celebrate and accept homosexuality? Because homosexuality is harmless and love should be something to celebrate, no? Homosexuality has no victims: you can't inflict homosexuality on anybody against their will, you can't use homosexuality as a weapon of war. So why does your religion say it's a sin?
A side question from this video would be, we all struggle with sin and NOBODY is without sin we covered by Christ. What would make stumbling and warring in the flesh a lifestyle vs a season? I struggled with a similar sin and prayed, participate actively in church, read at least 4chapters daily word plus devotional, pray and SPEAK with God not to justify and say I’m holy but to fill myself with as much of His Spirit as possible. I go weeks or months without this specific sin I struggle with then I fall, I cry out to God, I’m remorseful and feel like I distanced myself from Him. I turn back stronger sometimes but I’m concerned
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
@@qwerty-so6ml I don’t see anywhere where it mentions WE are the fallen angels. Further He states the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. We are offered eternal life in thru Christ alone, however, angels and demons are not allowed to repent and become saved only humans. Ur theology seems off and doesn’t answer my question. God bless
@@bbblahoo7
In Genesis 3:5, the serpent said Ye shall be AS gods.
In John 10:34, Jesus said Ye ARE gods.
Stop believing your father, the devil.
but homophobia is a choice
“Do you want Grace or Justice?!”
Excellent point!
I want God's Grace and God's Justice. He promised both and, He keeps His promises!!
@GhostRider-ce3ebwhy would the father loose his son by being honest and authentic? The hypocrisy would be if he believed his son lived in sin, but would pretend otherwise…!
I see this as a misunderstanding of the text. God is both just and graceful. So how do we have Justice applied to us? Because He must be just. The answer is through the atoning death of Christ. Without the atonement there is a Justice that will condemn you to the fires of hell and rightly so. But under the blood you are considered Justified to the glory of His grace!!!
Do you want grace or judgement... exactly right
Grace rings hollow when we are judged overly harshly by default.
The issue is that the idea of repentance is lost on many people. Even those who claim to believe in CHRIST. Romans 6:23 (NASB) says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." If we are willing and unashamedly "investing" in the sin that's killing us, how can we then turn around and say we want eternal life in CHRIST?
If someone truly wants to be saved, they aren't going to try to negotiate which of their sins they can and can't continue in after ostensibly repenting
You are literally explaining every Christian.. all of you are guilty of cherry picking and bending the rules to fit your life’s specific narrative. Don’t have to be homosexual.. I’ve never met a Christian’s that doesn’t cherry pick. It’s 100% all to common. We talk long enough and it begins to show.. works every time..
@@dylanlawrence6272 It's one thing to be personally conflicted about or in open disagreement with someone else over what actions are sins, but it's another thing to _agree_ that something _is a sin_ and decide that you will continue to pursue it and not repent of it.
You say "we talk long enough and it begins to show", but this man's son is sadly in very open rebellion against God.
You can't "agree to disagree" with God. I know that there are foul things in me that I am not aware of yet, but when the Lord makes me aware of them, it will be my job to repent. This man's son knows and admits to being in sin, and he's trying to cut a deal to keep the sin rather than repenting
@@dylanlawrence6272 We don't give this kind of latitude to anyone in any other sexual sin:
"He cheats on his wife, but only about once a week."
"They are living together unmarried, but they only have sex about once a week."
"He and his sister only commit incest about once a week."
Anyone in these scenarios would be put under church discipline and kicked out if they refused to repent, and rightfully so
@@ProductBasement lol I’m talking about Christian’s.. you talk long enough and the cherry picker in you starts to show. It doesn’t apply to people who don’t follow God.. they aren’t cherry picking the Bible..
Funny you mention that because God condones incest in the Bible.. he actually blesses the people who commit the act…
And then many verses later God says those who commit this act shall be cursed… so which is it, blessed or cursed for having incest?? See how that contradicts itself.. lol Bible is full of contradictions..
@@ProductBasementand you are just admitting to how horrible the church and this religion can be. I’ve watched people who claim to christians, treat homosexual people absolutely horribly.. try to beat it out of them, berate and harass them.. force them into conversion therapy.. And then walk right back into church and everybody is perfectly okay with what just happened.. that’s sickening behavior. And you are proud to stand behind that because it’s got the label of “church”…
Thanks for these little clips
Let the man finish his sentence before interrupting. He was brave, don't make him feel worse.
I believe that Frank was helping him think. Before he got finished,i don't think it was rude but a civil conversation. Many times, the questioneer always interrupts Frank as well, and it's not frown upon because its called conversation. And plus he is a professional speaker trying to answer in a short amount of time & keeping the topic light & right to the point. Frank did great.
@@lovealeesongchannelmany times I see Frank want to twist the question to fit a rehersed answer. Ignoring the specific the question is trying to understand.
I don't agree but isn't that the beauty of free speech and opinions.
@friisteching3433 you have a right to your opinion, and if that's what you see, that's your perspective. I also see it vice versa... which is called a civil common conversation again in a very short amount of time. I think this conversation went beautifully, and no matter what, people will always find something.
If Frank didn’t interrupt he would forget to challenge the irrelevant point of shifting the focus.. he wouldn’t be able to make a mic drop statement. lol Frank has crafted his presentation skills to field these questions and save face.
What I’ve never hearing answered is what makes one sin worse than the other? What’s the difference between a sinner that goes to church and feels comfortable and the sinner that goes to church and doesn’t feel welcome?
Matthew 10:35 KJV
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
so Jesus was anti family?!
@@ministermattocks7570
Is that what that verse makes you think. Is there anything else that you might get out of that verse?
@@gi169 that homophobia is a sin
I was saved out of the gay lifestyle/identity. It can happen! Continue to pray for your lost loved ones & tell them the truth in love.
I was saved out of the homophobic lifestyle, that does happen, unlike ex gays who lie to please satan and the homophobic community.....who lie as u just did.
JTV-70, amen, glory to God! Thank you for sharing, as it encourages many others. It's always a joy to hear what God has done in the lives of many. A wonderful fragrance, that testifies of God's grace towards us in that He saves us from all sins. Of course, a bitter reminder of death to those who are lost - but that's their own folly when they go chasing their own perversion. It's a choice. We made ours, as they make theirs. Holiness or perversion. Life or death.
"For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. ..." (1 Corinthians 2:15-16).
@@Man.of.God30 you know ex gays are not real though? So why are u praising God for one that lies? God hates the homophobic lifestyle.
@@ministermattocks7570 You can continue believing that lie. Additionally, I've already corrected you on the second part of your nonsensical lie elsewhere. It's not at all my problem how submerged you are in your backwards thinking.
Semi-good news! Your son's not actually gay. He only thinks he's gay.
It's only a nurtured mindset that he's gotten comfortable with, unfortunately. Everything we act on is a free choice.
How do you know he only thinks he is gay?
@@kinggenius930 Like I said, it's a free choice. No baby was ever born sexually attracted to their own gender, that's just an absolutely ludicrous conclusion to rest at, and a lazy justification for that type of preference, which God insists is a sin. Psychology data insists that homosexuality typically stems from a deep-rooted form of trauma or abuse, or being raised in such a household or community that simply endorse and affirm such behavior.
That's a big mistake so many homosexually-oriented people make, is thinking they were born gay and hence identify as gay, and since God hates homosexuality, that must mean God hates them as people. Which is absolutely false. God hates sin, via the act of homosexual fornication, He does not hate people, He never did, and never will. God loves every person. And yet every person in the world is guilty of sinning. Everyone. Only God's gift of Grace (trusting that Jesus is exactly who He claimed to be) alleviates us from his wrath.
The devil wants people to believe we have no choice, and being gay is part of our identity. Which is a flat-out lie, that unfortunately drags so many people farther away from God's desire for them to live their best life. The 10 commandments are not rules that we need to follow in order to appease an almighty overlord. He doesn't need our thanksgiving or worship of Him, or for us to do anything really. Rather the ten commandments strictly serve as a guidebook to all people that will only benefit us in living truly joyful lives. Since every material and worldly thing will never truly comfort us, or sate us, in our fleeting, dying, mortal coils. No matter how many times we have sex, whether hetero, or same-sex, will ease our souls or save us on our deathbed. ONLY Jesus, the risen Christ who conquered death on the cross by being resurrected 3 days later can save us from death and damnation.
@@greenpieceofmind What psychological data is that?
@@kinggenius930 Way to dodge the issue at hand. But fine, Vanderbilt University Medical Center has just one of many study variants, posted Feb, 24 2022. I can't post links here, but your welcome to search for it and the others yourself, since I'm not paid to be your tutor. It's titled "Study finds LGBQ people report higher rates of adverse childhood experiences than straight people, worse mental health as adults".
@@kinggenius930 Way to dodge the issue at hand. But fine, Vanderbilt University Medical Center has just one of many study variants, posted Feb, 24 2022. I can't post links here, but your welcome to search for it and the others yourself, since I'm not paid to be your tutor.
The purpose or meaning of life is to love God with all your strength and heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.And by loving God you must keep his commandments.
You break one you break all of them.
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Its my good bro, JadDragon!! How are you my friend??
@@kladies3021 Hey there! I'm ok, but UA-cam has started deleting my comments. Not hiding full deleted, and just the usual comments as well... How are you?
@@JadDragonDeleting your comments. Geez, the algorithm is the most offended system like ever.😂 I'm doing well. God's really been encouraging me with the truth of keeping focus on Jesus. And to be eagerly awaiting his return. So many people see the signs of his coming. Which is wise, but they are becoming fearful and like the 10 spies who saw only the giants and other obstacles in the land. Looking to Jesus and awaiting his return inspires hope and comfort. May he fill you with hope and comfort as the day comes closer!
Brilliant as always!
God bless Frank with great wisdom
The yardstick is not pastors, pope or clergy, the standard is JESUS.
Amen. I have shared with non-believers that when they say they are good, are we talking about your heaven or God's heaven. Because it's God heaven, it's his rules. His standard. I don't pass judgement on me. God is my judge.
sadly homophobics hate Jesus
Thank you Ceoss Examined.
Fatboy azzkisser....
@@mattslater2603
😂 *ROLLING OVER LAUGHING* 😂
Creepy cat matt, doing what he does best, stalking....
@@mattslater2603
Btw, kiddo, nice projection.
When you're not azzkizzing mama Barbara's derriere, you're stalking.
😂 *SMH LAUGHING* 😂
I guess it prevents you from stalking your neighbours, "sye co" slatsy...
But if we seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness all things will be added unto you
It seems that people resist understanding the meaning of the word reprobate.
ok well homophobics are reprobates. There ya go
It amazes me how christians tie themselves into knots over love.
I tried to go to Shake Shack today for the first time. Their menu told me they have Pride Sprinkles. I backed out of the drive-thru.
Nice. 👍🏻
No one is good except God
Good luck navigating daily life going to stores, buying products we normally purchase and need. A large percentage have caved in to the virtue signaling and pandering to the Pride agenda. It's sickening. You almost have to live under a rock nowadays in order to totally avoid supporting these countless businesses, brands, restaurants, and corporations. 😳🤦♀️
@Quint-ib4nf I don't think i will ever go back.
He doesnt want to give them his business, that is what he is saying.
similar to "being a good, moral person" is a fruit rather than a goal, being happy should not be a goal, an end state to be achieved. Being happy is a byproduct, and it is not permanent.
“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
Romans 4:5 KJV
Point the sinner & ungodly to Jesus so they can believe and be justified…not to their fleshly efforts in behavior modification …The Gospel Is The Power unto salvation to those who believe….its that simple
I can hear the hurt in the father voice pray for you brother
and for the homophobics who lie to him
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves me." To love Jesus is to know Him, to understand his statutes (the Bible) and feel sorrowful about anything you're doing that's rebellious towards God. Jesus is the way and our standard, not any other human - be it a Pastor, etc. Put your faith in God, and trust that His ways are higher than your ways, allow the Holy Spirit to do a work on your (all of our) sinful fleshly desires. God bless
The solution is to REPENT! You still need a Savior and need to repent from sexual perversion both of them.
1 John 3:7 (AMP)
"Little children (believers, dear ones), do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who practices righteousness [the one who strives to live a consistently honorable life-in private as well as in public-and to conform to God’s precepts] is righteous, just as He is righteous."
but homophobics won't repent
@@NewCreationInChrist896 its not a sexual perversion there is nothing to repent from
In his statements and questions. He was looking for what he did wrong in raising him. Tolerance is the root of all evil. When someone does wrong and it is tolerated. All parties are sinful. In today's society, peace,love and happiness are blinding things like right and wrong. Discipline, accountability, standards, and tolerance are killing us all.
Your choices are judged during this life. Being truthful is temporarily hurtful. But truth needs to be said. It can save eternally!
I actually feel for his son. As someone who has this exact thing and fell in love with my bestfriend It was something i knew I could never have. What the son is actually asking was missed, he’s asking basically is he not worthy to have love”? In the way that when someone genuinely falls in love with someone, they can marry them. He’s not asking for his sin to be justified, before Christ we are, he’s asking if a pastor who struggles with porn is still a pastor, can he not still be a Christian even though he’s in love with someone of the same gender? I had this exact problem and I’ve cried multiple times out of heartbreak over it, it’s like telling a husband the wife you would want to marry, you cannot have, and the strong feelings of love you have for her are not justified. Just a food for thought before ppl judge this kid. I’ve tried to love women but it’s not any harder than a heterosexual woman trying to fall in love with another woman or a white woman trying to be born with black skin and blonde hair. Anyone who hasn’t lived with this problem for 27 years of their life, I would say I envy you, it’s not something I would wish on my worst enemy, to always have it looked like I have it figured out, to promise pastors and friends I will marry a beautiful Christian woman when my heart is in love with someone else, to have the whole image of a full Christian put together, but I’ve never been good at faking it, I can’t have what my heart craves and it tears me to shreds, I have friends who complain to me about their girl issues that they can’t decide which girl to pick to marry while I kindly just laugh it off and empathise with them whilst I have completely no idea what it feels like to be even remotely attracted to a girl yet alone in love since they don’t know. It eats me from the inside out and I get teary eyed when leaving my friends to go back to a home all alone. But I have to press on, I have to be the good Christian everyone expects me to be, these feelings have to be kept hidden, otherwise if I play the white picket fence false Christian life I’ll be tricking my potential wife and someone’s daughter into loving someone they think is in love with them when really I would be pretending to be and using them to cover up the fact that I don’t want my church to know I have these feelings I was born with. And no, it doesn’t suddenly dissapear because I was born again, I’ve heard that statement one too many times now. I want the real Christianity, the honest truth, the rawness, and the raw truth is that, I am someone who has fallen in love with my friend and I need either grace or judgement. If there is no law against the love that I have but against the sex that I have then I’ll take the love over sex any day. But if I also can’t love freely then I’m damned to not be worthy enough like most of these guys who have a loving relationship that isn’t founded on sex but love alone…. It’s a conundrum at times but hey, Christianity isn’t without suffering right
Most of human love is disordered, doing what is either unlawful or profane. And so I say those who’s love is disordered the truth is our desire for closeness with another human, man or woman, is actually a desire for closeness with God. It’s human, possibly even diabolic, to believe that closeness with God is not what you truly desire. Is it that your love cannot be returned? Then be with The Heart that has so loved man and received nothing in return. Has He not loved you? Through beatings, profanities and death he has loved you!
Hey man, I feel you. I was once in your shoes also, so I can empathize with the struggle. I was raised in a Christian home so I couldn't tell anyone of my inclinations, plus we are Nigerian and I've seen what they do such people here. I tried everything to stop but failed miserably. I tried using will power, threats, self-torture and a whole lot of other things. I had a whole host of issues aside this so it wasn't fun at all. The truth is, the more I tried, the more I failed. But, I remember hearing a sermon where the pastor pretty much talked about porn (which I also struggled with), and other addictions and how to break free from them. I thought he was crazy when he said to stop trying and rely solely on God's grace. He said that the more you rely on your self effort and will power, the more you'll fail. Instead trust on God's grace to make you whole inside out. We can put on a facade on our outside, but it won't change who we are - or rather who we perceive ourselves to be. Best to trust our Lord Jesus, who loved us to death to change us from the inside out.
I put this to the test and strangely enough it worked. All I did was confess that "I am the righteousness of God in Christ" whenever I had those desires, and even while watching porn and to my surprise, over time those desires faded away. It felt impossible, like magic, but it happened. Rather than pretending not to be attracted to the same sex, I genuinely have no interest anymore. I dream about having a wife, kids, and building a loving family. Even when the thoughts come again, I proclaim who I am in Christ. I am not a closet homosexual. I am who God made me to be.
The world tells us to accept these lying thoughts and declare them as our identity. Grace tells us to proclaim our identity in Christ. I can't imagine what its like to live your life, but trust me when I say that Christ's finished work is all you need. Self effort can only take you so far. Grace will take you all the way.
@@lordkinjarel thank you very much for that. Single handed probably the reply I’ve been looking for. I myself am your neighbour in the sense that I’m British Ghanaian. I believe it’s easy for someone who doesn’t have the issue to say just give up your inordinate affection, but it’s not as easy as that. Also have you ever been in love with another male before? What do I do if I’m in love, like a husband is in love with his wife? What do I do? I won’t have sex no, but my love is it valid? Does it count for anything even though the feelings are genuine? Why do only straight people get to have the happy ending with the love of their life? Would it also be fair to tell them if they care so much why don’t they give up their love of their life too if they wish to show me it’s that easy. Truth hurts and it’s never that easy, I’m thankful that someone who knows this exact pain is here tbh
Ty for sharing. I too saw the overlooked point of the young man asking his dad those questions.
As to your struggle, I share it from a heterosexual perspective. Meaning I used to live a very promiscuous life and now that I’m married I still struggle regularly with aldulterous desires. I’ve wondered why those desires aren’t “cured “ in Christ. The truth is that I’m this life we will suffer through temptations among other things. As a Christian we must rely on Gods grace to give us the power to resist those temptations. This is the refining fire that God used to cleanse and strengthen us. So fight on! Where people get the gospel wrong is that they think they need to do the good things that pleases God. That’s performance Christianity and misunderstands the gospel. When you truly apprehend the gospel it will be the thing that produces good works in you. Share your sin with your brothers and sisters even if they don’t handle it right. The Bible tells us to do this. It will help set you free.
This is where most people confuse what the SIN actually is.
The sin isn’t loving somebody of the same sex, it’s having sex outside of the biblical definition of marriage. So can you live with your best friend of the same sex and still be in God’s grace? Why not, where is the sin? Abstinence is a thing.
What this channel needs to do is a complete emersion into an internet study series about how Luther/Calvinism has change Christianity from the original texts to a New Religion! Being totally honest and throwing out all denominational doctrines that have been grown out of the "false doctrine" of the reformation these past 500 years!
Both are sin, but from what we gather in scripture, it comes down to the attitude and the heart (1 Samuel 16:7). This man's son is an unrepentant sinner. He has an attitude of, "my sin isn't any worse than that of that pastor." In which case, he is correct in that logic, as we have all fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)... Except, he mistakes something very crucial: If the pastor is a true man of God, then he will recognize that he is in sin, confess it to the Lord, and try to do better next time. Whereas the son in this example has no such acknowledgement, but justifies his sin because other people sin; and therefore thinks his sin is of no consequence.
I'm a Christian so this is an honest inquiry. Just wondering do you choose who you're attracted to? For example, do you choose to be attracted and desire the opposite sex and the same sex equally?
Because being a heterosexual in Christianity is usually accepted as that is how I was made. I was made to desire and love the opposite sex. Now you can choose to watch corn and choose to commit adultery but do you have the choice who you desire both male and female equally?
If you don't have a choice then when you hear someone say "I'm homosexual" which is a noun just as if I say "Im heterosexual" do you believe they have a choice as to who they desire?
I am just trying to gauge how Christians think about this topic.
@@mbfrommb3699 No you can't control who you are attracted to but you can can control what you do about it. The Bible is very clear that homosexual acts is a sin. Having homosexual attraction is not at all a sin no matter what Christians may tell you. There are Christians who have the urge to get drunk. There are Christians who have the urge to have premarital sex. All that matters is we don't act.
@@karaokehammick5215 I agree with everything you said except for, "Having homosexual attraction is not at all a sin no matter what Christians may tell you." Lust (attraction) is a sin, regardless if it's heterosexual or homosexual. We are fallen, and our default mode is wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). The only time lust isn't a sin is when a husband and their wife lusts after their own spouse. Every other physical attraction is sin, regardless if you have control over it or not. Hence, why we need a savior. But, as you said, what we do with those desires, and also how we rationalize those thoughts, that truly matters.
@@AFFL1CTED1 Being sexually attracted to someone is never a choice and sin is always a choice. Lust is wanting to have sex with someone which is a choice. Lust literally means want. Sexual attraction is unavoidable. Temptation is not sin. Even Jesus was tempted as we were. Do you believe he never once had to deal with temptations with other women?
@@karaokehammick5215 Thank you for showing the stupidity of modern Christianity in your comment.
My only question to you is "Have you made a lifelong commitment to be celibate?"
Your view shows the blatant double standard Christians fail to address.
By removing the covering of marriage given to heterosexuals the only option they leave homosexuals is lifelong celibacy and we have ample history of the damage forced celibacy can do in the Catholic church.
See the lie is that Christians change the conversation from the noun "No you can't control who you are attracted to"
to the verb
" but you can can control what you do about it."
Then they change the context to corn or adultery. This is the big lie.
marriage is GOD's covering so that in marriage we have the ability to deal with our urges desires, etc with our spouse.
Being a married man and choosing corn over my wife, or adultery over my wife is a sin because I have a wife.
Paul in 1 Cor 7 says if you have uncontrollable urges get married.
So what does this man's son say he's 20 years old do, where he can't control who he is attracted to and who he desires for the rest of his life?
Where does he get intimacy, companionship, and sex from?
I have to wonder if this is what 1 Timothy 4:1-5 is talking about
"Now the (Holy) Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
The only group I can think of in these latter times that forbids marriage are conservative Christians.
I could be wrong but that's how I read it.
Thank you for your comment.
*_1Jn _**_2:15_**_ Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him._*
*_1Jn _**_2:16_**_ For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world._*
*_1Jn _**_2:17_**_ And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever._* *_- KJB_*
*_Deu 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed._* *_- KJB_*
*_Mat _**_6:24_**_ No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon._* *_- KJB_*
*_Jas _**_1:14_**_ But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed._*
*_Jas _**_1:15_**_ Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death._*
*_Jas _**_1:16_**_ Do not err, my beloved brethren._* *_- KJB_*
My post is for the Christian Dad and his Gay Son, a situation that I also found myself in so many years ago.
I was, am, the gay son. Eventually a Priest helped me with Bible Scripture, relating to today's world as I had been the gay son.
Today, I've been married about 35 years with two boys and one daughter.
All three are married and I have two grandsons, and counting. Both are preschool, thus far.
Learn and obey God the Father.
God Bless
That's something I've been struggling and trying to point out. Some of the good things people strive for don't have to be aimed at. Some of the good things we have are simply the fruits and results of our labor. One of the simplest examples I can think of is a tournament. The prize and/or trophy is simply a fruit. It is unnecessary to aim at those things. And that brings it back to aiming at the right thing. That's all that's needed. No need to aim at the excess.
So vote Trump?
Keep hiding.
Salvation is an individual and personal relationship, and not a group achievement.
I don't have to accept sin.
You’re not god. You’re a sinner, too. Your job is to love god and love your neighbor, not to judge.
@@Idontknowwhatswaitingformeyou are to Judge by Their Fruit not stand by and Affirm Sin.
@@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme this is biblical! True
@@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme I should have clarified my statement. I'm not judging, stating that salvation is in Jesus. We love those around us, minister to them, and pray for them. Sin itself is to be apart from God and all of us have sinned aside from Christ Jesus. We can love the sinner but that does not mean we accept sin.
@@curtiscarnahan6580 only God has the choice to be self-righteous in condemnation of sin. As a sinner, your job is to love God and love your neighbor. Remember Jesus’s commandments about casting stones. Cast away but make sure you are blameless before you do
I do not think the Church has elevated homosexuality - I think that is the red herring, or perhaps a straw man. Proportion, not hypocrisy, is the cause of the disparity. The overlooked cause is that our society is at fault for thrusting the topic upon us with increasing regularity. Therefore it only appears like we are fixated on this one issue..
Sin is risking harm for fleeting moments of pleasure like you don't have forever to enjoy yourself now before you go without and suffer anguish for loosing all the things you love. Ask the doctors. They'll tell you that anal sex can cause sever infections for both gay and straight couples no matter how healthy they are. If you get excrement in your urethra, you can get a urinary tract infection or even a bladder infection that might kill you if untreated. This has nothing to do with patriarchy or tradition. It has to do with sanitation. And it is true for both gay and straight couples.
Swimming in a lake is fine. But if it were contaminated with bacteria, would the state allow you to swim in that lake, even if you knew the risks and wanted to swim there anyway? I don't think so. They would haul you away to have your head examined. Anal sex is obviously unsanitary. And putting your mouth on someone else's defecating parts is also obviously unsanitary for any couples, gay or straight.
I jus got ecoli and colitiis...48 used to identify as gay man..yes anal sex is not healthy physically too & rimming..we need to be teaching our chikdren this stuff..our bodies are supposed to be temples..one time I heard a pastor say God prob gv men prostate stimulation to make it feel good to go poop...lol that is prob true...there is no such thing as "safer sex" I wish i would hv known...sex belongs between a male and a female inside marriage..extension of their love...its true..& I used to be gay!
@@WakeandSlay sex belongs between consenting adults. Simple as that.
then use condoms and problem sorted
I pray for this Young man, Our Lord God will be his Strength, if he chooses to Follow him!
he must repent of his filthy sins or suffer later
I pray for homophobics so they repent and follow God and not satan
@@spacies8882 yes but homophobics love sin too much
"Unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of God" the new birth gives a new heart of flesh that is sensitive to and wars against sin, by The Holy Spirit.
which is how we know homophobics are not born again
Most pastors wouldn't be willing "trying" to look at that stuff on a regular basis, and somehow trying to JUSTIFY it. They wouldn't be having a parade or an entire month boasting about it either. Most would know that's it's wrong, and wanting to quit. Let's use an example of adultery. Christians who have fallen into that sin aren't holding an "Adulterers Pride" parade and boasting/relishing in it. Completely different attitudes towards said sins.
you hit the nail on the head we all struggle with something but its our attitude toward that sin that is most important , not to justifly it ingnore it or say its ok its just a little sin , we will struggle with the world the flesh and the devil until we are in heaven we must always be humble and honest with God
Good point. There are believers who struggle desperately with sin including sexual sin and it is a thorn but although they struggle it's never seen as an opportunity to redefine their sin as a virtue or justified. Once you do that then the need for repentance disappears and the slippery slope follows.
@@e.m.8094 Adultery and being gay are not the same thing. There is nothing wrong with being gay
@@AntiKaiMatic But physical acts between members of the same sex are clearly forbidden in the Bible.
@@e.m.8094 Sounds like gods problem. Doesnt sound all loving if he is intolerant. He lets gay people face prejudice by his followers in the real world and then lets them suffer for eternity in the afterlife unless they force themselves to be straight??? Now you see why we will NEVER turn to religion
GOD still calls homosexuality a sin and an abomination
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
@Quint-ib4nf no , he's righteous
@Quint-ib4nfcan't be wrong if you're the creator
@Quint-ib4nf hmmmmm.....no
But is homosexuality actually harmful in any way? When 2 people love each other, what is your justification for saying that it is an abomination rather than wonderful?
@@itsJPhere we don't make that decision but God said so. It could be harmless but if the creator says its an abomination we have no saying otherwise
“Good moral people” means those who intend and exercise kind behavior toward others. That’s what good moral people means Mr Turek.
What does it mean to be kind? and why is kindness the thing on which morality is based?
@@Doc-Holliday1851it means to treat others well. It’s not complicated. It is how we define morality…how we treat others
@@lawrenceeason8007 What does it mean to treat others well? Different moral systems exist and have existed that have little to nothing to do with how you treat others or where the treatment of others is secondary to something else. So why is your proposed method the superior one?
@@Doc-Holliday1851we humans abide by well being…unless you are destructive. Everybody does…including you.
Of course every person can have whatever moral view they want…because morality is subjective. But well being is the universal moral standard.
Question for you. Who/what says your particular god is moral/just?
@@lawrenceeason8007 You haven't answered the question what does it mean to treat others well?
Many people buy into the lie that they are born that way, the lie that the Lord's saving love is unconditional, and the lie that once we have truly received a new nature with Christ that our disposition towards our sins and the sins of others won't radically change. No pick up your cross every day and follow me to Calvary so they can die, and you can be resurrected with Me but without them. More like, skip the cross and go straight to the resurrection because we want the joy without the journey through the pain of the cross.
We also buy the lie that all judgement is bad and we shouldn't do it or accept it, and for many that includes rejecting the judgements against their sins from the Lord's word or from others in the church (even though such judgement is required from us in places like 1 Corinthians 5 and Matthew 18). So, we prefer the sweet sounding lies instead of the real truth and in doing so we follow a gentle (by the world's definition, not God's which is strength under control) and generic Jesus of our own making. Sad 😢
We must warn as many of them as we can, God bless you brother.
That is an extremely evil way to see this issue.
That’s not a lie.
@@DM-dk7js Brought up a lot of lies, which one are you referring to?
@@Gek1177 Why do you think it's evil?
I work with a man as defined by his birth who married another man. He told me the other day that if his husband stepped out of the marriage he would kill him that is my point man’s love has boundaries and so must God’s many times they don’t match
so do many heterosexuals.....but many LGBT and heterosexuals do match
For people who have AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) they outwardly physically look like women but have XY chromosomes. Should they marry a man because they appear like a woman? Or should they marry a woman because they have XY chromosomes? How do we make sure they don't sin? Be single? But scripture says it is not good be alone. I guess if you're in this situation, you're doomed.
The notion of having to please an entity that is allegedly completely beyond us and has no needs or worries as we do... is both utterly absurd and thoroughly repulsive to me.
Try not to make points while you're high as a kite, a homeless person makes more sense than what I just read.
Is this a sincere question or not?
Because if it is, it's first good to acknowledge what the Bible clearly teaches.
1 Corinthians 7:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.
The new covenant clearly taught, that being single is the best situation and remaining single (if we can) is something to strive for because you can serve God with all of you time.
How do you think about that teaching?
You can read Jimmy Akin's article "Intersexed Marriages" for an attempted Christian response, but there really is no way to acknowledge the reality of the sex 'binary' being fuzzy and still strictly enforce heterosexuality. Even outside of intersexism I think the idea of a man loving someone like Blaire White being homosexual is ridiculous anyways
Lots of great questions. The first should really be “why on earth do you think there is some god that dictates a moral standard?”
This is classic Frank. Avoid the question, raise a completely separate question, then sneak in there that being gay is evil. 🤣
Did you even listen? Your flippant response tells me you didn’t. You may have heard, but you didn’t listen.
The question was "is there a difference in God's eyes between a homosexual and a person who watches porn? Which person is better?" and before you answer this question you need to answer another one first "by what standart do you decide what's right and wrong". If you don't base your moral standarts on God's word, then there's nothing wrong with being gay, porn addict etc. because then you're morals are based on people's opinion, which means that moral is relative. But if God's real and he is the one who defines what's good and right, then both a homosexual and a the person who watches porn are sinners. In fact, all of us are sinners, we sin every single way in a different ways. That's why we need Jesus Christ.
@@chmurny_typ lmao you're so delusional you literally repeated exactly what I was being critical of. Congrats sir
@@Bilbo383 I'm sorry If you don't get it. Then let me ask you, what's wrong with Frank's answer? How would you reply to a question that cannot be simply answered with "yes or no" answer?
@@chmurny_typ it's a good way to distract the listener to overlook his statement that being homosexual is evil, that's the main criticism.
Just say, "being gay is wrong because the Bible says so". That is far more direct and to the point.
This is common practice in just about all forms of religious apologetics. Jihadist Muslims especially
Romans 1:26-27 1Corinthians6:9-11
Read and Obey The Word
Resist temptation at all cost. Selfishness is sin. One of Satan's plots to corrupt Christians conviction. Stay frosty, sober, steadfast. Stop, take the Straight and narrow path. Try and keep trying to stave off sinful temptation; perseverance to finish our life's race to heaven. Thank you Jesus! ✝️🙏🏻🙌🏻
This includes the temptation to hate, insult, and ridicule people who are living in sin.
If the father's son understood justice, he would more than likely understand his need for grace. If he accepted that grace, he could understand what "good moral behavior" is, because the heart change would have already begun, and for the first time ever there would actually be power to change. Plus, like for the heterosexual, he would recognize that no matter how much he changes for the better, he would still need grace.
I disagree that our purpose in life is to know God and make Him known.. those are wonderful by products. The purpose is to love the Lord with all our heart mind soul and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we do that we will know God and make him known. But it starts with the greatest commandment. And love for God means we don't tolerate or accept sin first in our own lives and because we love others and know that sin produces death in them, we don't tolerate or accept it in theirs either.
Although I'm not a Christian (nor do I agree that gay people ought to be celibate) I appreciate the lady that said it's all wrong. I've noticed a lot of Christian friends being consistent in their sexual ethics. No fornication, no adultery, & no gay sex. I can respect this position even if I disagree with it.
never respect homophobia though
@@ministermattocks7570 Of course. But I don't think the lady in the video is homophobic. She just simply has a strong religious viewpoint. I can respect that.
@@brycepardoe658 u respect homophobics.................?
@@ministermattocks7570 I am gay btw
Nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Biblical sin only prohibits the believer, means absolutely nothing otherwise
--- *"Nothing wrong with homosexuality."* --
That doesn't mean a whole lot coming from someone who believes everything is "natural n normal".
There's nothing wrong with anything when you stand for nothing.
Just like you....
@@TomMichael5678do you think homosexuality is wrong yes or no?
@@therick363
Do you seriously not remember the discussion we had on this some time ago?
The discussion that went a little too excruciatingly long!
@@TomMichael5678 it was a simple question Tom. Please answer it. Wasn’t that what you were doing in another thread? Whining and complaining that I didn’t answer your question? So do you have double standards and are a hypocrite? If not then answer the very simple question I asked. Or admit you have double standards and are a hypocrite…..
@@therick363
Do you or DO YOU NOT remember the discussion we had some time ago starting off with the same question?
Answer this!
If you DON'T answer this, I'm not responding to you.
This is what is called projection of one’s sins.
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Reading the New Testament from Jesus's words. I've learned just like Frank is saying you have to accept the sins and repent and not lie to yourself that you're being moral but knowing that you're sinning and asking Jesus for forgiveness.
*If it was one of my sons, I'd tell them to never come near me again.*
Praise YHWH!
Any son you have is also God’s child. Every person who has ever sinned is one of God’s children. Yet He constantly seeks relationship with them.
@@matthewscott3727 *I'm not into sloppy agapi.*
@@residuejunkie4321 idk what that means 😂 sorry
What if your son is a liar or a thief? Or is it just this sin that would cause you to disown your son?
Is it even possible to stop sinning? I fall so many times and feel so horrible and it's sometimes really hard to come back to christ and to ask him for forgiveness. I feel so ashamed when for example I argue with my mother or do other sins and realize later what I have done.
You're not in such a bad place.
"Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves." 2 Cor 13:5. Being "neurotic" is better than being blasé about Grace.
@@calvinmasters6159 Thank you I really apreaciate your words. God bless you my friend :)
No, it is not possible. If it was, there would be no need for God's grace. We are all born sinners. The best we can do is try to be better everyday, and ask God for His forgiveness and guidance when we inevitably fall short. Every disciple committed sins and knew wickedness in their hearts, and Jesus forgave them knowing full well they would fail again, and each time He forgave them.
@patrickjawisdom4141 yeah I know, but it's just so unbelievably frustrating, you know. Like it feels impossible to beat lust for example. Like idk I feel like I'm a hypocrite when I go and try to tell my friends about Jesus but in the next moment, I fall into lust for example. It's so frustrating to do the things you know you should not do. It feels like you are disappointing God each day. Idk if it makes sense what I'm saying lmao but I thank you guys for your words. That's a good example why we need to connect with people who belive in God. I hope that someone who struggles with the same things can read the comments of you guys to know that they are not alone in that spot.
@@LonelyGato Since you're admitting your fault, you're not a hypocrite. You'd only be a hypocrite if you were claiming to be good. You're not good, none of us are. Keep up the fight.
What demonstrable harm is caused by homosexuality? Never had a Christian explain that satisfactorily
To me this is pretty subjective. I am not of the persuasion that homosexuality is an automatic death sentence as far as morals . I think it’s the lifestyle that is likely when dealing in homosexuality many times it’s a hedonistic, often times more mental instability. Let’s also not forget the fact that there is no natural reproduction within a homosexual relationship so there is no natural flourishing or growth. Even with all that said I do believe there are a few homosexual relationships which are well adjusted and not idol seeking which is not harmful.. I just feel like those relationships are the oddity not the norm. As an antidote all the homosexuals I know were either sexually abused as children or are suffering from some other serious idol worship spiritual warfare, so usually the sexual preference is a byproduct of something else.
@@Qetesh777 "so usually the sexual preference is a byproduct of something else"
How have you determined their being gay is the byproduct of these things?
It's not necessary to explain, because God doesn't use that as a metric for His laws. There's no "demonstrable harm" in worshipping false idols, using the Lord's name in vain, or adultery either.
@@patrickjawisdom4141 Of course there is demonstrable harm caused by adultery.
And you believe that something should be able to condemn someone to hell, even though one can determine nothing bad about it?
@@Qetesh777 Homophobia is a death sentence to God.....as is the lifestyle of it. There is also no natural reproduction in heterosexuals with low sperm count or barron women or old people.....
In whomever religion somebody chooses..... They have to follow commands, prayers ect..... in Christianity we choose Jesus christ, so therefore we have to follow
Yes you can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
One or the other. You can be LGBTQ and be named Christian. Not be one though. Praying for you all! Love ya
Nope, you need to be genuinely sorry for your sin and allow Jesus to deliver you from your demons and sinful behavior.
1 John 3:7 (AMP)
"Little children (believers, dear ones), do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who practices righteousness [the one who strives to live a consistently honorable life-in private as well as in public-and to conform to God’s precepts] is righteous, just as He is righteous."
There are True Christians, False Christians and Nonbelievers!
Seek G-d and let the Holy Spirit guide you!
Repent meaning agree with the word of G-d, agree with the Bible!
Shalom!
Sadly no, you cannot love your sin and love God as well. I suggest you really read the Bible for yourself and ask God to open your eyes to his truth. There are so many people that like to twist the scripture so that it makes their sin not so bad or turns their sin into a virtue. When you plainly read it with an open and honest heart you will clearly see that same-sex relationships in any way shape or form is not what God designed for men and women. Praying that your eyes will be open to God's truth he loves you enough to tell you the things you don't want to hear but the things you need to hear.
It’s like going to the doctor and find out you have a severe infection that will kill you. But you tell the doctor, I don’t want the cure because there’s doctors out there that have cancer. It makes no sense in that logic.
The difference for some.. specifically in the LG TV community Ala ruslan .. is that those in the same sex relationships don't think they are doing anything wrong. Before..during and after I go near pron .. I know. And am ashamed.. and even turn from God momentarily because of the shame.. then I try harder to not do it again .. if it is not recognized and repented against. Then you're just missing the point.. love that you always go at the hard questions and always have such heartfelt answers 🙏❤️
Looking at these comments, the modern Christian thinks it is their job to correct sinners. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Read the Bible. Pay special attention to the words in red.
100%. Man, it’s been this way for so so long. I’ve always thought a ton of “christians” are really moralists. It’s about having a moral code vs following Christ.
If a sinner believes they are not committing sins, it is the responsibility of one who believes to inform them. Jesus didn't tell the adulterer that what she was doing was totally cool, he told her to go forth and sin no more. When was the last time you paid any attention to those "words in red?"
@@patrickjawisdom4141 STOP SHOVING YOUR RELIGION DOWN OUR THROATS
Its a very easy solution but very difficult to achieve . Like any other sin ,
You may have your feelings but you need to pray to the Lord that you don't act on them.
Библия, Деяния Апостолов 17:30-31: "Итак, оставляя времена неведения, Бог ныне повелевает людям всем повсюду покаяться, ибо Он назначил день, в который будет праведно судить вселенную, посредством предопределенного Им Мужа, подав удостоверение всем, воскресив Его из мертвых."
Иисус умер за наши грехи. И воскрес в третий день. Покайтесь и веруйте в Него. Читайте Библию.
Should hes son be treated the way described in Matthew 20:13 (KJV) ?
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Cindy McGill's book, "Words That Work..." covers this is such loving detail, and has helped the Godless, The God Lost and the God Hardened...it's how we talk about these things. The term "Christian" isn't even in the Bible, "Follower of Jesus," however is. The language is part of how these conversations are approached. Understanding also the prophetic, words of knowledge as part of this, is important...love, is the way to address any issue, ANY. True Jesus was consistent with His language.
Asking people by what absolute standard do they use to decide good and bad is a key question. I have not been able to get one person to answer that. when we turn our back on what our Creator says is good for us then there is no standard, it is just whatever we each decide is right or wrong which changes from day to day and leads to chaos
There is no absolute standard.
All we have access to is subjective standards.
Even christians use subjective standards, they just mistakenly call it objective, or absolute.
Even if a god existed, and gave us a standard, that would still be a subjective standard.
It sounded to me like the son was acknowledging that same sex marriage is wrong, but saying that if pastors are allowed weakness in the area of pornography, then he should be allowed weakness in the area of homosexuality. Not saying he's right, just what I think I heard.
Then the son is misrepresenting the argument. God never said priests can watch porn. They have to repent, which means to be truly sorry and commit to overcoming their weakness. I don't think the son is applying that standard to himself.
@patrickjawisdom4141 Agreed. Like I said, I'm not saying that he's right, just that it sounds like that's what he's saying.
God is good and loves each and everyone of us. Seek Christ and he will provide.
The call to repentance cannot be left out this discussion. The grace of Christ is given to free us from practicing sin as well. What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Romans 6:1-2
It's almost like the world thinks: "If we can get enough people to approve of this sin then God will have mercy and let us all in."
Why should merely being gay be considered sinful?
@@kinggenius930 Goes against nature and ends in death of mankind, heterosexuality is necessary for life.
If a police officer breaks the law, does the law then not apply to me?
You are either getting grace or justice. I just had this discussion last Sunday. People have various contentions with the bible, not understanding humanity from God's point of view. None of us can argue their case from a position of strength. They are not somehow innocent. They/we have already been judged we are just waiting for God to carry out the sentencing. We can throw ourselves on the mercy of the court or stand on our own merit.
If you put your lifestyle before family, you deserve what you get .
Lifestyle?
What does that mean?
@@billyb7465 it means why risk your family over something you just want to do ?
@@captureitlive How is it risking your family?
@katamas832 if you lose family over it ... then was it really worth it ? Same could be said for religious family members .
Let's talk about how God is not counting our sins against us. That is a subject we are afraid to address. The problem isn't sodomy, lesbianism, pornography, or sexual immorality. The problem is why are people engaging in these sins? This gets to the heart of the matter. People are engaging in sin because they are looking for love, acceptance, meaning, and purpose from the people, places, and things of the world instead of from God because they are spiritually dead. God created us for the need to be loved, accepted, and to have meaning and purpose in our lives. God put that need there because only He can meet it through faith in Jesus Christ. Once God meets that need, we stop looking for it. This leads to the diminishing of sins as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord. But, we can't get to the deeper issues of the heart because we stop at the physical issues of our flesh.
Actually The problem isn't homophobia and bigotry. The problem is why are people engaging in these sins? This gets to the heart of the matter. People are engaging in hate sin because they are looking for love, acceptance, meaning, and purpose from the homophobic people, places, and things of the world instead of from God because they are spiritually dead.
We all fall short. Whoever doesn’t fall here, falls there. We need Jesus and in order to be better a bit at the time, we need to engage more with the Lord, and that is the hard part.
homophobics fall short by choosing a satanic lifestyle
While the Frank's answer is true, I wish Frank would stayed on the topic of the gay son. I believe the father was asking about how to respond to his gay son's questions and comments. Frank initially touched on it but went on a tangent about needing a savior.
I know I am Monday quaterbacking but I wish he addressed the second part of the son's question more throughly.
It would have been nice if they would have given more advice on how to deal with this issue. If 30% of gen z are going through this stuff the leaders need to help us.
Talk about being gay like its a bad thing one more time and I will come over to your house
Romans 1 26-32 explains it all. Why do we keep ignoring this
Loving another person with your heart and soul is absolutely NOT a sin and in doing so becoming a union and expressing love in an intimate way is accepted by God! Who did Jesus Christ condemn for loving the same sex?
Love is not lust. And to answer your question: everyone. Everyone and anyone engaging in homosexual behavior is condemned, as the Word of God: Jesus Christ states.
Sure, you can lie and believe it's accepted by God, but that's not the truth and reality of it. That would simply be called living a lie, or a fantasy, which is ill-minded.
@@Man.of.God30 so do you believe that “people choose” to be homosexual? Or are they born with this sinful attraction
@@Man.of.God30 and I also have to be baptized to go to heaven! I have read countless stories of NDE’s and there is no secretary asking to see their baptism certificate before entering heaven! If you love Jesus Christ in your heart, he will guide you! Love in any form is not “sinful “ trust me, I’m sure there are more “Christians “ going to hell than homosexuals that love God
@@Man.of.God30 I truly can’t understand, why? People are so against “homosexuality “ when it’s not “chosen” it’s pre existing! I never made a “choice “ to be attracted to women!
@@Flyonthewall111 Most, but not all, do NOT choose to be LGBTQ+ but DO choose to live out that lifestyle. No, they're not born that way - that's nonsensical.
No, I don't trust you, for I'm aware that you have no idea what you're talking about and ASSUME that's how things work. What are you basing your POV on?
Great answer!
not really
@@ministermattocks7570 Yes, really.
@@prime_time_youtube but not really eh, not for better educated folk anyway.
Could you do a whole show on Grace vs Justice?
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Tough question not really. Love you son, reject his behavior. Repentance brings His grace, and correct understanding.
Excellent, well balanced response.
for satanists
@@ministermattocks7570not in reality.
@@ike8018 yes in reality!
@@ministermattocks7570 what is reality?
@@ike8018 well the homophobic world isn't it!
Both sides have points. Inconsistency has damaged the Church. It's all sin and should be condemned with equal passion. But it isn't.
Our comparison is not our fellow man! Our comparison is Christ! I, you, Frank, your Pastor, your parents, that sweet little grandmother you love; has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Roman's 3:23. All means everyone! Christ Himself knew (0) sin, yet became sin on our behalf, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God. ( 2 Corinthians 5:21 )