Evolution is not the survival of the fittest. It is the propagation of the adaptable over time. Darwin wrote "On the Origin of Species" 165 years ago. Our understanding of it has developed a bit since then.
God doesn't create people of all gender or sexual orientations. The gender differences other than male and female came because of man's sin. Physical imperfection means that in time all sorts of gender differences would emerge. Also the sexual orientations stem from the physical, mental, and emotion impacts that happened because of man's sin. If Adam never sinned then there would be only male and female along with only one sexual orientation. Conscience determines what is right and wrong whether you believe in God or not. If you say God doesn't exist then you would have to prove to me how random chance and natural selection created the conscience we have today. Also you would have to prove why it is needed for survival when so many animals in the world don't have it and they survive just fine without it. What I learned from Frank is interesting there is no moral code for atheism. Meaning that an atheist can live their life any way they want even be as bad as Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, etc... as long as they still say that they don't believe in any god (s) then they are still an atheist. Atheism isn't like a club where you have rules and standards that you must obey or be kicked out as an atheist.
@@MrGilfred Mav said they are a secular humanist, that is the source of their moral code. Atheism is only connected to the belief in a deity, the non-belief in a deity, or the belief in no possible deities. "Atheism isn't like a club where you have rules and standards that you must obey or be kicked out as an atheist." But society is that club. And many atheists have stronger morals than what is required by society. Some have stronger morals than many theists, like using the Platinum Rule rather than the Golden Rule. Is their club/church the only reason Christians aren't "as bad as Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, etc"? Yes, I agree that "conscience determines what is right and wrong". I can also agree that conscience exists, while saying that "I don't know how it developed", although self-organizing is something that happens in the natural world. The hex-symmetric structure of a snowflake, or the atomic structure of solids, shows naturally occurring organization on the atomic level. Conway's Game of Life suggests that simple rules of interaction can also lead to complexity. Many animals, including humans, have a social interaction component which helps their survival. Elephants, even with their size, stay in herds and protect each other. Atheism removes the personal relationship between an individual and a deity. But atheism is not a religion or a "world view", it is a component of a world view. Secular humanism is a world view, and when Frank Turek was asking Mav about objective morality, their response was coming from their connection with secular humanism rather than with atheism. "God doesn't create people of all gender or sexual orientations." Are you simply asserting that? Did the deity make you a heterosexual person? How do you know one was made but the other was not? And why is all this being passed on to people today because of Adam's sin? It seems pretty cruel to make us keep paying for what one person did once. I would only care about the philosophical side of a deity, but there is a current push in the US for both Christian Nationalism and Sharia Law [Bible version]. It is small, but growing, and it is much easier to push back now rather than in a decade when it is much more powerful.
@@UnconventionalReasoning But Stalin and Hitler had a different form of secular humanism. A secular humanism of their own group that supported them doing what they done. So they weren't booted out of their little secular humanism that is different than what others have accepted. I can say that there are those theists, even though small in number have much stronger morals than their peers or other atheist like Stalin that Hitler. So you think you would need to see how the super rich treat others in order to know how they want to be treated. That is a wrong way to think. The majority of people would want to be treated like you would want to be treated. Which is something that you know very well. You communicate how you want to be treated by your actions. By the way you treat others. That tells others how to treat you. But it doesn't say that you have to be able to give super rich people the same things that they give to their super rich friends as how they treat others, because you wouldn't have to funds to do so. Conway's Game of Life is only a suggestion not a fact or even a proven theory that isn't open for debate. What about the big cats like tigers that eat other animals. I think that Frank failed to describe something that is very important to others. He should've said what I said that atheism is not like a club where you would have rules to abide by or you are kicked out. Stalin and Hitler weren't drummed out of being atheists because of all of the people they had killed. When I said God didn't personally create all of the other genders along with sexual orientations I mean just that. It is not personal opinion. Do you really believe that if God does exist that he would punish his creation for doing what he created them to do? Of course not, I know that man wouldn't take a car about and never put it back together again because it done what he created it to do. In the bible though God clearly says such ones won't inherit God''s kingdom in the book of 1st Corinthians 6:9-11. The verses goes on to teach that is what some in the Congregation used to be. So if they were created that way why would they need to change? Why would they need to be washed clean if they are doing as they are created to do. The only logical explanation is that all of the other genders other than male and female are byproducts of man's sin. The same is true for all sexual orientations. How is the stain of sin passed on to Adam and Eve's offspring. Let's say you have two biscuit pans. One is perfect without any dents or even the slightest of scratches. While the other one has a dent in it. Now the dented pan will make every biscuit that is made with that pan with the same dent. That dent in man is inherited sin. Adam and Eve couldn't pass on perfection because that is what they had lost. They can't pass on what they themselves no longer had.
@@UnconventionalReasoning It is not like Adam and Eve were imperfect like us. They were perfect in every way, but they also like us had a free will. Adam decided to abuse that wonderful gift by wanting independence from God by saying he would be better off choosing for himself what is good for him and what is bad for him. God knew that the best way to handle it with the angels watching was to let man have his independence. But God didn't have to bless his independence. He has been letting man try all forms of government that he can think of trying. None of them have ever come close to giving the citizens all of the things that Adam and Eve had in the garden of Eden. This suffering is what will teach obedient mankind the folly of independence from God. So it wasn't just the sinful act, it was independence that was also the problem. If God had destroyed all of the rebels Adam, Eve and Satan the angels could've said you didn't give man any time to find out if he could be just fine on his own. So to avoid that problem God decided to let mankind go through the suffering. Also each person that suffers for the years that they are alive. How long will it take them to forget that pain and suffering when they have lived for thousands of years. I am sure that obedient mankind will forget the suffering. But still remember the lesson of the folly of seeking independence from God. Where man will never have to never go through this again.
Why should anyone listen to Mav? She already showed flaws and inconsistencies in her own moral standard. Frank asked her to stop talking over him and let him speak and she says "fair" acknowledging how wrong it was for her to talk over him. Only to disregard that 2 seconds later and start talking over him because she can't control herself. What a perfect representation on why her standard is based on personal feelings and guess what, feelings change. Truly ironic
@@mattr.1887 “Mav” is asking a question and Frank is giving an explanation. But Mav is refusing to listen or answer Dr. Turek and just talking over him. Mav is not there to have a conversation or learn, but instead just wants to only express his opinion. Frank asked if you want to have a dialogue and she clearly said “No”. Very narrow closed minded response.
Being emotional is not an argument. Young, foolish people these days think that if they're loud, that if they scream and are emotional, then they are morally correct. They do not know how to think critically.
The unregenerate heart is deceitful above all things and wicked. Emotions can really make us believe so many different lies. If I watch a scary movie my emotions will probably believe it's real. Emotions are a very shaky ground to live by!!
@sterlingfallsproductions3930 who are you to define what is"normal"? Most people are religious of some sort and their religion informs their morality. You are living in complete ignorance of you think that religiosity is abnormal
Exactly. They take one thing and run with it. They act like the man is telling people to treat gay people badly, which he's not. All he is saying is it's a sin just like the other sins. the only difference is you trying to make people turn a blind eye to that sin and don't call it out. He does that, and then he has to do the same for all other sins like adultery and murder. That's what I don't understand why they don't get that.
@@Maksie0 Yes because some other parents might be delighted that those other parents son was murdered. What does your favorite book say about murder? thanks
@@Maksie0Who says that? In debate or in trying to "reason", nobody says that. Yes, it's in the Bible, along w/ a great many other things, but there's more to it than that. Especially when unbelievers are the ones asking or just attempting to attack the faith. How disingenuous u r.
Those who doesn't understand the scriptures, its not a mere book writen by a novice writer. Those who have a very good experience of the Book, knows its a very good guide to life. But we need to pray for the grace to undestand it. When one finally sees what I mean, he will understand. Only a humble heart and mind may be able tor receive that gift. But God's grace & mercy will still lead us to salvation even if we are not able to fully grasp the Bible.
People like Mav are not there for a conversation or a debate or looking for answers, they go to these events to protest, intimidate, talk over, shout down & in some cases physically assault people like Frank and then they play the victim.
Agreed with both comments. I don't know if I would have the temperament for all that, especially since I'm not always that great at thinking of responses on the fly 🤔.
@@bullymaguire9987 Probably, but I admit I am flawed. That "guy" was an a55hole, how ironic though, you are being a judgmental hypocrite while playing righteous. People like yourself disgusted me away from Christianity for all of my life but I have learned to ignore you. God bless.
I don’t think folks from the alphabet community understand that people who aren’t allies have an inborn repulsion to their behavior and beliefs. That doesn’t justify treating them with meanness, but at the same time they speak about how they “feel” as if it supersedes how people feel who aren’t part of their community. Just because I don’t agree with your lifestyle doesn’t mean I hate you, but at the same time don’t expect me to celebrate your lifestyle and affirm it.
Exactly, however your logic and reason and respectfulness in this comment doesn’t matter because their foundation of truth is their own ideas and emotions.
You're complaining about how the LGBTQ+ people "feel", but you start by saying that those against them "have an inborn repulsion"? Is that not a feeling? And if you think they are unaware of that repulsion and hatred, you're truly clueless. Mav is here because they have experienced that hatred.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Re-read my original post. I said that they (the alphabet mafia) believes (or speaks) as though their feelings supersedes how people feel who aren’t part of their community. And they don’t care that people who aren’t allies are repulsed by their behaviors-they just want everyone to affirm it-“Aww, aren’t Chuck and Bill so cute when they hold hands and kiss.” 🤮 It’s repulsive to someone who is straight and not an ally. I’m not going to be hateful toward that community, but I’m honestly repulsed by it. If that is deemed “hate” by you, so be it. 🤷
"there are so many moral codes i've read about....." 3 minutes later "i have severe ADHD (therefore i cant read)" This sums thoses people up perfectly. Challenge them and they default to some excuses.
LGBT always wants a loop hole. I came out of that lifestyle after 20+ years, there is NO LOOP hole... Get over yourself, and get right with God. It really IS the simple. The concept, but actually putting it into practice, still simple but Jesus is faithful to help one's heart, and mind revert back to the way we were meant to think and feel about the opposite gender.
When we're lost we all have a tendency to try to create loopholes of either excusing the wrong we do or justifying the good we don't do. It's man's attempt to try to live up to the moral standards that we can't do. That's why when Jesus amplified the law and even went beyond it. He says the law says do not commit adultery but I say that if you even look at a woman with lust you've committed adultery with her in your heart! The law has a tendency to shut mouths and declare us all as guilty! Once we're willing to see how we don't measure up, we make a proclamation like Paul which was what a wretched man I am , who will deliver me from this body of death!!! But my friend we can praise Jesus that he's the one that delivers us!!
We often don’t evaluate our sinfulness accurately because we only see the “goodness” in our sins. When we view others, we more accurately see the bad qualities of what they are doing. We only see the goodness in the sin - the passion, the intimacy, etc
Turek is a dreadful apologist. What the kid was trying to examine is the internal consistency of Turek's worldview. The topic wasn't about the nature and foundation of morality. This is a standard deflection used by weak apologists to distract from the question at hand. A good philosopher doesn't deflect, he confronts directly and when possible restates the other argument even more strongly than the objector has framed it himself. If the objection is "Your moral system, objective or not, is not internally consistent", then attacking the objective foundation of the questioner's own moral system comes across as an attempt to avoid the uncomfortable reality of one's own inconsistency by making the debate about dueling moral foundations (an important topic, but not the one at hand at the moment). It is at the very least lazy apologetics and Turek did this kid a disservice by refusing to recognize the nature of the the question and taking it as an opportunity to defend the consistency of his own Christian worldview. In short, if Turek was a competent apologist he would have actually helped the kid find the very best statement of his objection and then dealt with it straight up, instead of trying to trick the kid into another topic. Turek was embarrassing and is the one who rally needs the prayers.
Agreed. Would even say militant. No different from anyone else who follows after their own made up moral code. People go to war over these conflicting ideas.
What is wrong with you. The preacher was lecturing, not having a discussion. The kid was emotional but his argument was evolution creates morality. The preacher didn't care and was just like.. you're wrong. How would you not get frustrated taking with that kind of dumb dumb head
Some times a close minded person just needs to walk and talk threw all the steps before they can move outside the box assuming they aren't disingenuous
@@bumperxx1 that's a fair point, but to be fair most times you can tell a disingenuous person from a genuine one by their questions and over all demeanor. Most disingenuous people tend to have an air of superiority about the way they respond or in their mannerisms while talking.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 If only that entity appeared to humanity, lived among us, gave us instructions on whats moral and immoral, and vowed that not only He would return, but that He would bring perfect justice and end to suffering for all of eternity.
@sterlingfallsproductions3930 if you are referring to Jesus and morality. There is more evidence that he exists than Alexander the Great by myriads of evidence and he has given us His moral law. No need for assumptions with that.
@@PBAdventures146 True! Also, there will be more evidence that Jesus existed than the people denying Him when they die and time goes on. With technology, pictures can be altered so we won't know who was real and who was fake lol.
@jtremaine23 pictures don't really have anything to do with it and never have. It would he foolish to base an opinion on a picture of someone from a couple thousand years ago. The testimony and witness of both his followers and over 100 non religious followers who attested to his existence, death, and resurrection carry more weight to me than someone's drawing of his assumed appearance. 🙂
I'm new to this channel and so glad I found it! Love you're message of Truth in these prevailing times we're living in, its like a breath of fresh air. Shalom, shalom 🙏
@@Trucking4Jesus JESUS IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY, & THE LIFE & sadly many people can't handle Him. So many rather die in sin & stay in darkness than give their lives to Jesus, get saved, & make Heaven their home.
The moral world Mav advocates for is one where "might makes right" - meaning whichever group is the largest and strongest gets to decide what is right and wrong. Those decisions will always be to the benefit of that stronger group and to the detriment of the weaker ones. I don't think he realizes how cruel that kind of world would be.
Why should anyone listen to Mav? She already showed flaws and inconsistencies in her own moral standard. Frank asked her to stop talking over him and let him speak and she says "fair" acknowledging how wrong it was for her to talk over him. Only to disregard that 2 seconds later and start talking over him because she can't control herself. What a perfect representation on why her standard is based on personal feelings and guess what, feelings change. Truly ironic
Sadly, the US has a very ethnocentric viewpoint that has broken down into subcultures. That’s why you have LGBT people wanting to change the Bible’s morality.
I couldn't have remained as calm as Frank. This interaction has made me check myself and will help me to grow and to hopefully be able to help people more
@@scriptwriter1268 I said much before god was invented. Because even the text of genesis was written between 8th and 6th centurty before junior, not earlier. And most of old testament is copied from older sumerian texts.
@@highroller-jq3ix it’s not my “supposed” truth, it’s GOD’s. Listen bud, ignorance needs no more practitioners. Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
There is a generation that curses their father, and does not bless its mother. There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes, and yet is not washed from its filthiness. There is a generation-oh, how lofty are their eyes! Proverbs 30
@MichaelMcDonald-my2np um, but the person can not continue in the lifestyle. Repentance is key to Christianity. Sexual immorality has to be overcome. Just because God forgives doesn't mean we should continue grieving the Holy Spirit. If we do, the faith is either weak or dead.
I knew this person was going to be problematic when he/she said. "I'll just say my name is Mav." When he/she could've just said, "My name is Mav." or "Call me Mav."
They have so much hate ????? I did not hear hate from that person . Frank is a BIGOT when it comes to sex . plus Frank does not understand evolution. It is not the survival of the fittest . More the survival of the best adapted to its environment.
I was SO SO hesitant to click this video when I saw it because I know the sort of brain rot I would be in for. I seriously regret my decision. But massive respect to Frank for being able to deal with that.
I feel for Mav, obviously there’s a lot of hurt in her heart which is coming out in anger. Praying in love for this lost soul to discover truth. Thank you Dr. Turek, for always bringing a great discussion and keeping your cool!
Dr. Frank turek's question is simple and straightforward but there is no logical answer from the atheistic standpoint.. Thank God for the Frank turek. He handled the situation gracefully and logically
Frank Turek's question presupposes his definition of "objective morality", and the requirement that it exists. They talked about murder, where is the objective morality in a deity telling "his chosen people" to murder other peoples?
@@UnconventionalReasoning"Unconventional Reasoning" "Repeats tired cliches about objective morality" Why do so many atheists have some variation on "logic" or "rational" in your names? Can't you think for yourselves? Why do you argue against objective morality and then accuse God of being "wrong" or "bad"? That doesn't exist according to you so chill out buddy. Nothing to worry about.
@@UnconventionalReasoningGod never told anybody to commit an unjustified killing, either. That's the definition of murder. Those who God passed judgement upon were evil and were given their reward. It's impossible for God to commit or counsel evil of any kind from both of our perspectives. From your perspective evil doesn't exist and from mine God is perfect love, even when He punishes people. Everybody's happy!
@@showmeanedge The word "justified" does a lot of heavy lifting. Every time a person kills someone today, they can say, "God told them to kill that person", and it's fine. Please grow up instead of pretending that "it's impossible for God to commit or counsel evil", it's how bad things are justified all the time.
@@showmeanedge I promise you that I can think for myself much better than you. If I read a book like "Lord of the Rings", I can talk about the things that characters do which are wrong. I treat deities in religious texts the same way.
An apology that can only come if Frank had done something wrong, which would require a moral standard. I wish my generation could think and understand what truth truly is.
I agree, Frank Turek doesn't want to hear the truth and very clearly just reflects the question away and moves to moral ontology without engaging with the idea that homophobia is harmful
There's both statistics and national news about the topic. Gay couples being arrested for child r*pe, for example. If Google hasn't censored it, you'll find those articles very easily.
@@tino0217Nothing but assertions. Where is the evidence or “data”? And don’t cite a bunch of pro-LGBT or anti-Christian sources and expect anyone to take you seriously.
I really hope Mav took Frank up on his offer. I'm also glad that you released this extended version of the video. The previous cut *could* look like Frank was trying to cut Mav off and only said what he said after Mav left. This video shows that, like I suspected, Mav was talking over him and not allowing him to respond.
When people say " if some people are actually born homosexual and homosexuality is wrong then why did god make that person that way?" I believe that everyone has a cross to bear on their walk in faith and not everyone is meant to be married and have kids. I had a friend that never got married and never had sex before he died and although he never admitted it, we believe he was gay but his faith would not allow him to act on it. That doesn't mean he did not live a full life. He was one of the most loved men in our town.
I feel bad for “Mav.” He’s not a happy person and can never be when heading down the road he is on. I lost count of the layers of lies that this person has allowed to shape his perspective. They are mostly powerful ones but still lies and the Spirit of The Living God can pierce through them all.
He has every right to be offended. Turek is communicating something that harms other people, even he himself admitted this. Yet, he continues to be dismissive and tries to rationalize his actions. What conversation can be had here?
@@qpghostqp9551 Did Turek answer the question? No, he posed just another as a diversion. I say diversion, because if both he and his interlocutor agree that an action is bad, then the moral grounding is irrelevant. BTW, watch again, because she clearly had questions.
While US soldiers are dying while fighting overseas wars…. These people are oblivious to everything except their feelings. They exist on another planet.
U.S. soldiers are dying. And killing. So much for the moral objectives handed down from a god. They get a pass because well...the government says its ok. That's not absolute, that's relative morality.
So what is it when gorillas will have a “tribe” that takes care of each others’ offspring and punishes those who harm others within the tribe? Surely it can’t be objective morality. If not, what is it and why can’t humans have that as well?
@@mattr.1887Because the only morally perfect being to exist is God he made the laws he has authority to give the law because God is perfect in all his ways. Humanity is inconceivably immoral
If you, as a parent, think that humans are born intrinsically good, do not allow your kid to come in contact with any standard principle on what is wrong, do not teach him the standard for what is right. Then, see what kind of morality “evolves” from the “goodness” that is intrinsically inside of his heart. You will be up for a rude and sad surprise.
@@rubencampos6298 Wrong, as you usually are. Nobody but smug idiots call the Bible a "supossedly (sic) magical book". It's the word of God, so it IS the foundation for morality.
Dr. Frank, as a former struggling alcoholic, I came back to the faith of my youth through your apologetics mission. That then led me to a personal relationship with Jesus, which then restored my life, my marriage and my kids. I'm now almost 4 years sober and continue to work towards being the man God wants me to be. Blessings to you!!!
How can a person be LGBTQIA+. Aren't they L or G or B or T or Q or I or A? It seems like it would be impossible to be L and G while being B. But if you are T then are you also L or G? Or maybe, just B and +? WHAT ABOUT S?
I've learned the crucial lesson of determining whether a person is willing to listen or not. Also, determining whether they're giving an emotional argument or a social argument is very important. Otherwise, no mutual understanding can ever occur.
That's always their argument for the "fluidity" of sex: because 1% of people face sex/intersex disorder then sex is fluid. That's a fallacy on itself. Just because 1 comet doesn't follow general relativity we don't say that the theory doesn't work. And besides, even though 1% of people are really nor male or female, what makes you think you can apply that to the other 99% of people who are perfectly fine?
there are psychological issues and lots of trauma behind many alphabet people. some are just pychologically disturbed. normally not the kind of people who would pass their genes on. besides: we live in a fallen world so it would not surprise me if "mav" will get the norm and "cis" people the circus freaks of tomorrow. especially if they are christian.
It’s called “the exception that proves the rule” fallacy. Exceptions do not prove rules like gender being socially constructed because of rare outliers like intersex people, in the same way that 1 in 10000 people taking cyanide pills and NOT dying doesn’t make cyanide safe for human consumption.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Of course it's not 1%, I don't have the actual stats here, but the point I was trying to make you understand (which clearly went over your head) is that it doesn't make sense to redefine and change 99% of people for a minority. That includes the gospel.
@@cbl6520 Exactly. But these people choose to believe modern day media which is completely corrupt rather than hundreds of years of research. That kid didn't even knew Darwin name.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 My friend, when you start imposing things like: "call me by my pronouns", "having biological males entering women's bathroom because they feel like women", "having biological men compete with women", that's imposing your narrative on others. So yes, if anyone is forcing here is your minority. We couldn't care less about whatever you identify with or whatever one of the 1000 sexes you think you are as long as you leave us alone. But you can't do that right? You need attention and to have other people look at you. Bottom line, do whatever you want with your life, in the end we all are gonna be judged according to what we did. I hope you're prepared for what's coming.
So appreciate what you’re doing out there, Frank. I have listened to you for years and I am grateful you have chosen to be used by God the powerful way you have been.
Moral standards & objective morality comes from human evolution that developed over millions of years. Its called "learned behaviour" as human beings learned over millions of years through trial & error (learned behaviour) that helping, protecting and cooperating with each other leads to positive outcomes - not negative outcomes. Is this not the reason why we have Universities, Colleges and schools; to teach people what previous generations have learned and experienced?
@@TERRORSQUlDThanks to the Christian God and their sycophants, humanity went though 1000 years of darkness (Dark Age), whereby anything scientific was classified "heresy" against doctrine. I just have a horrible feeling this guy is on a crusade to take humanity back into a second religious Dark Age.I also suspect that if an omnipotent being did create the Universe and everything in it; then that being would have a superior intellect, and not have to resort to the narcissistic methods of punish & reward. This guy still hasn't answered the basic fundamental question about: what happened to all the human beings who lived and died before Christianity was created, and Jesus was born.
Regarding intersex. As an aspiring nursing student we learn in physiology that intersection is just a few select people that have an issue in their DNA or a problem occurs in the womb which creates an underdeveloped reproductive system which may present itself in several ways. But that doesn't change biologically what your DNA was meant to instruct regarding the development of a female or male. But problems do happen which aren't the norm in genetics. Mathew 19:12 clearly reads this: "For there are some eunuchs who were so born from their mother’s womb, and there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” What does eunuch mean? as aformentioned, one born with an underdeveloped reproductive system but it can also be those made of men meaning those castrated to serve the king and not reproduce with concubines or women of importance, and eunuchs as in those choosing a life of celibacy to further devote time to God. Regarding the Binary: Genesis 2:24 Ephesians 5:31 Mathew 19:4-6 We read that a man leaves his mother and father to join his wife and become one flesh. 1 Corinthians 6:16 - What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. Revelation 19:7 Mathew 25 John 3:29 Clearly read that Christ is called the bridegroom of the Church. Hence, the marriage between a man and woman is meant to represent the relationship that Christ has with his Church. Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 2 Corinthians 11:2 - For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. So far we read that a union in marriage and sexual intercourse is a joining of flesh. Adulterers join to be one flesh which reaps bad fruit. But God created marriage, clearly defined between one man and one woman, as a holy union which bares good fruit. 1 Corinthians 6 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. We all know that the body of Christ is what? The Church. Ephesians 4:16 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 1 Corinthians 10:15-17 1 Corinthians 12:27 - Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. Colossians 1:18 - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Clearly, adulterers and fornicators are not joined as one flesh unto Chirst and are hence not the temple which house the Holy Ghost. And we read previously that marriage is only between one man and one woman as the representation of Christ's relationship with the Church. What does this mean then? They that are not of the Church of Christ and go against the will of God, join their flesh in unholy marriage and sexual immorality to join as the temple which houses the demonic spirits and entities that belong to Satan as they have joined not just as one flesh, but as one spirit. You were created in God's image, but your father is the devil. Christ did die for the sins of mankind, but your debt is only covered by the blood of Christ if you accept his sacrifice. In Mathew 10:33 we read that whoever denies Christ before men, Christ will deny them before the father. Your debt is only paid and your body and spirit only belongs to God, when you place your faith in him bc God will not accept a son of Satan into his kingdom. You have your God given free will to defile that which was created to be the temple that houses the Holy Ghost, your body.
A related question could be this... maybe intersex people shouldn't marry because they couldn't be sure what there intended sex was? (the sex that their initial DNA determined before it was "corrupted"?)
Wait did Frank just say "If somebody says gay is good, that a matter of opinion. If somebody thinks gay is bad, that is a matter of opinion." Ummm noooo. Being gay is bad. God calls it an abomination. That does not mean we do not love the sinner. But it is not an opinion. I know he has spoken the truth about it so wonder what he meant with this statement.
No in Noah day there was hope in our day things could very well wrap up. I had an individual tell me how the gay been hurt by people of faith. I asked them who there hero is an they said MAO SE TUNG. So I asked them if Mao was wrong for killing over 60 million of his own people. They told me that was a lie he did not kill his people. That's folks what a 6 year college masters is doing and they think we should pay for it. Lord. Notice the calm peace of Frank and the frenzied victim hood nature of the wannabe god individual who has created God in their image
@georgewood7381 wow do you understand luck has no place in the Gospel? Not one bit concerned about great white throne because I am attoned for and accepted In the first judgement. Plus if you understood the white throne judgement you'd know every thing to do with the old Jerusalem an Earth are no more like I said above.
So If Mav says that helping someone with food is good because it keeps the person alive and further continues society and the human race going doesnt that mean that lgbt is bad because it stops the advancement of the human race?
No. The human race is much more than reproduction. By that logic, your 80 year old grandma is bad, your infertile neighbour is bad, childless couples are bad and anyone whose sole purpose is not to reproduce is bad. Which is a rather absurd take if you ask me.
@@rubencampos6298 Wrong, as usual. Even idiots that don't believe in God will argue that everything is about evolution, so everything is about reproduction.
It's like this Frank has not heard of empathy. That's where our moral compass comes from. He also doesn't understand that survival of the fittest for humans involves collaboration for survival. He didn't answer the man's question. He asked several questions in response. That's a huge red flag. His answer to everything is going to be a Christian god. There's no point in trying to have a mature discussion with someone like that. He's basically just saying "I'm right because I'm going to use my belief in god to say so." He seems to forget that "god's teachings" is just a person's opinion.
i was there, and although mav was interupting a lot and being rude, it was obvious she cared, she was even open to receiving a book by frank. even some people in the audience sat down and talked with her after the meeting to try to help. With Franks patience and kindness, and the love of the people that was given to Mav afterward, i hope and pray she felt Jesus and wants to seek him.
You know I feel for Mav. All of us were lost at some point. And it's probably so difficult to be confused about our identity. We should definitely keep Mav in our thoughts and prayers. Plus, Mav needs the healing of mind and heart that only Jesus can give.
@@thereseservais924 When the Good Shepherd looked at the people he looked at them with compassion, he thought of them as sheep without a Shepherd. How beautifully compassionate and kind is our God! He showed us the same kindness. It's the kindness of God that leads one to repentance. My friend I hope your day is filled with joy and peace from our beautiful Lord Jesus.
The Bible gets many, many factual, observable, easily verifiable things wrong. This is no different. Besides, that is a mistranslation of the original 😂😂
@@purplelover9633 He didnt need any index cards when he clearly was just planning to yell over Frank and not let him speak and prove him wrong. Typical hateful antifa goon.
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
For the first time I agree with the Mav or lady or whatever. This preacher guy is trying to say there's no morals without the Christianity God. Which just isn't true.
@@FenrirRagnulf Once more, the Christian God has nothing to do with this argument. God could be the flying spaghetti monster for all we know. But morality cant exist with out some sort of God.
@@souzajustin19d explain exactly how that makes sense? Do you honestly believe there's always been a book around since the dawn of time to tell people not to kill? Like you make zero sense.
@@FenrirRagnulf A Book no. Plato and Aristotle described from logic and philosophy a prime mover, a first mover that began everything. Now they lived in a time Christ and Jew were not heard of, but they understood there must be a first mover. The past cant go into the infinite, the infinite regress is not possible with causality. So this mover had to make a choice from nothing to make this universe. We dont know what that uncaused cause is, but what ever it is appears to be some type of God. Choice only comes from those with a mind, this mover had to make a choice. Because nothing chooses to do nothing, it does nothing. An outside force is necessarily to make the first cause in the chain.
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Evolution is not the survival of the fittest. It is the propagation of the adaptable over time. Darwin wrote "On the Origin of Species" 165 years ago. Our understanding of it has developed a bit since then.
God doesn't create people of all gender or sexual orientations. The gender differences other than male and female came because of man's sin. Physical imperfection means that in time all sorts of gender differences would emerge. Also the sexual orientations stem from the physical, mental, and emotion impacts that happened because of man's sin. If Adam never sinned then there would be only male and female along with only one sexual orientation.
Conscience determines what is right and wrong whether you believe in God or not. If you say God doesn't exist then you would have to prove to me how random chance and natural selection created the conscience we have today. Also you would have to prove why it is needed for survival when so many animals in the world don't have it and they survive just fine without it.
What I learned from Frank is interesting there is no moral code for atheism. Meaning that an atheist can live their life any way they want even be as bad as Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, etc... as long as they still say that they don't believe in any god (s) then they are still an atheist. Atheism isn't like a club where you have rules and standards that you must obey or be kicked out as an atheist.
@@MrGilfred
Mav said they are a secular humanist, that is the source of their moral code. Atheism is only connected to the belief in a deity, the non-belief in a deity, or the belief in no possible deities. "Atheism isn't like a club where you have rules and standards that you must obey or be kicked out as an atheist." But society is that club. And many atheists have stronger morals than what is required by society. Some have stronger morals than many theists, like using the Platinum Rule rather than the Golden Rule. Is their club/church the only reason Christians aren't "as bad as Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, etc"?
Yes, I agree that "conscience determines what is right and wrong". I can also agree that conscience exists, while saying that "I don't know how it developed", although self-organizing is something that happens in the natural world. The hex-symmetric structure of a snowflake, or the atomic structure of solids, shows naturally occurring organization on the atomic level. Conway's Game of Life suggests that simple rules of interaction can also lead to complexity.
Many animals, including humans, have a social interaction component which helps their survival. Elephants, even with their size, stay in herds and protect each other. Atheism removes the personal relationship between an individual and a deity. But atheism is not a religion or a "world view", it is a component of a world view. Secular humanism is a world view, and when Frank Turek was asking Mav about objective morality, their response was coming from their connection with secular humanism rather than with atheism.
"God doesn't create people of all gender or sexual orientations." Are you simply asserting that? Did the deity make you a heterosexual person? How do you know one was made but the other was not? And why is all this being passed on to people today because of Adam's sin? It seems pretty cruel to make us keep paying for what one person did once.
I would only care about the philosophical side of a deity, but there is a current push in the US for both Christian Nationalism and Sharia Law [Bible version]. It is small, but growing, and it is much easier to push back now rather than in a decade when it is much more powerful.
@@UnconventionalReasoning But Stalin and Hitler had a different form of secular humanism. A secular humanism of their own group that supported them doing what they done. So they weren't booted out of their little secular humanism that is different than what others have accepted. I can say that there are those theists, even though small in number have much stronger morals than their peers or other atheist like Stalin that Hitler.
So you think you would need to see how the super rich treat others in order to know how they want to be treated. That is a wrong way to think. The majority of people would want to be treated like you would want to be treated. Which is something that you know very well. You communicate how you want to be treated by your actions. By the way you treat others. That tells others how to treat you. But it doesn't say that you have to be able to give super rich people the same things that they give to their super rich friends as how they treat others, because you wouldn't have to funds to do so.
Conway's Game of Life is only a suggestion not a fact or even a proven theory that isn't open for debate. What about the big cats like tigers that eat other animals.
I think that Frank failed to describe something that is very important to others. He should've said what I said that atheism is not like a club where you would have rules to abide by or you are kicked out. Stalin and Hitler weren't drummed out of being atheists because of all of the people they had killed.
When I said God didn't personally create all of the other genders along with sexual orientations I mean just that. It is not personal opinion. Do you really believe that if God does exist that he would punish his creation for doing what he created them to do? Of course not, I know that man wouldn't take a car about and never put it back together again because it done what he created it to do. In the bible though God clearly says such ones won't inherit God''s kingdom in the book of 1st Corinthians 6:9-11. The verses goes on to teach that is what some in the Congregation used to be. So if they were created that way why would they need to change? Why would they need to be washed clean if they are doing as they are created to do.
The only logical explanation is that all of the other genders other than male and female are byproducts of man's sin. The same is true for all sexual orientations. How is the stain of sin passed on to Adam and Eve's offspring. Let's say you have two biscuit pans. One is perfect without any dents or even the slightest of scratches. While the other one has a dent in it. Now the dented pan will make every biscuit that is made with that pan with the same dent. That dent in man is inherited sin. Adam and Eve couldn't pass on perfection because that is what they had lost. They can't pass on what they themselves no longer had.
@@UnconventionalReasoning It is not like Adam and Eve were imperfect like us. They were perfect in every way, but they also like us had a free will. Adam decided to abuse that wonderful gift by wanting independence from God by saying he would be better off choosing for himself what is good for him and what is bad for him. God knew that the best way to handle it with the angels watching was to let man have his independence. But God didn't have to bless his independence. He has been letting man try all forms of government that he can think of trying. None of them have ever come close to giving the citizens all of the things that Adam and Eve had in the garden of Eden. This suffering is what will teach obedient mankind the folly of independence from God.
So it wasn't just the sinful act, it was independence that was also the problem. If God had destroyed all of the rebels Adam, Eve and Satan the angels could've said you didn't give man any time to find out if he could be just fine on his own. So to avoid that problem God decided to let mankind go through the suffering. Also each person that suffers for the years that they are alive. How long will it take them to forget that pain and suffering when they have lived for thousands of years. I am sure that obedient mankind will forget the suffering. But still remember the lesson of the folly of seeking independence from God. Where man will never have to never go through this again.
”A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.“
Proverbs 18:2 ESV
Or "that his heart may discover itself" KJV
Sounds like Frank.
Why should anyone listen to Mav? She already showed flaws and inconsistencies in her own moral standard. Frank asked her to stop talking over him and let him speak and she says "fair" acknowledging how wrong it was for her to talk over him. Only to disregard that 2 seconds later and start talking over him because she can't control herself.
What a perfect representation on why her standard is based on personal feelings and guess what, feelings change. Truly ironic
@@mattr.1887just about everything he says is grounded in the Bible and Gods word. He didn't create it. It's not his opinion, he's following God
@@mattr.1887 “Mav” is asking a question and Frank is giving an explanation. But Mav is refusing to listen or answer Dr. Turek and just talking over him. Mav is not there to have a conversation or learn, but instead just wants to only express his opinion. Frank asked if you want to have a dialogue and she clearly said “No”. Very narrow closed minded response.
Being emotional is not an argument. Young, foolish people these days think that if they're loud, that if they scream and are emotional, then they are morally correct. They do not know how to think critically.
What's wrong with telling someone how you make them feel That's what an intervention is.
The unregenerate heart is deceitful above all things and wicked. Emotions can really make us believe so many different lies. If I watch a scary movie my emotions will probably believe it's real. Emotions are a very shaky ground to live by!!
@sterlingfallsproductions3930 who are you to define what is"normal"? Most people are religious of some sort and their religion informs their morality. You are living in complete ignorance of you think that religiosity is abnormal
There's always been people like that, though I guess that it's worse these days.
@@ryanprosper88Sterling is his own god and hasn’t realized this yet.
Ive noticed that immoral people claim that no rules apply to their own behavior while rules do apply to others.
Sounds like the thieves of Palestine.
Excellent !!!
Exactly. They take one thing and run with it. They act like the man is telling people to treat gay people badly, which he's not. All he is saying is it's a sin just like the other sins. the only difference is you trying to make people turn a blind eye to that sin and don't call it out. He does that, and then he has to do the same for all other sins like adultery and murder. That's what I don't understand why they don't get that.
That's the Marxist ideology
They have created a god in their image rather than conform to God in whose image they want created.
"Want to have a conversation?"
No I just want to listen to myself talk.
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Frank you handled Mav with dignity and grace ,he came up just to complain and not have open honest debate.
Don’t think Mav is a “he”..
I don't really care what pronoun " Mav" uses, it was used in the most generic sense.
Frank may come out stay tuned
I call "they" rather "it" if I am not sure, deal? @@sterlingfallsproductions3930
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np You have.
Bullies can't afford to let an opposing person speak or respond.
Bullies are also narcissistic 100%!!
He’s too emotional in my opinion and doesn’t want to listen.
@@irishtruth6801, typical narcissism, they are always right & everyone else is wrong!!
@@irishtruth6801 You mean she?
They know they are full of it, so they try to silence then person that is right.
This is how the devil with his ideology takes over, with emotion rather than reason and understanding.
A religious talking abouta logic and reason?!?!😂😂😂😂
@@hectorquinones2836😂😂😂 Keep being a tool of the wicked one who using you to mock people of faith
@hectorquinones2836 "Without faith it is impossible to please God."
@@hectorquinones2836 "a religious"? Those darn religiouses religiousing again 😂
Its the same pattern every century. Women and children are the most susceptible to negative influence.
Saying that murder is wrong because the victims parents would be sad is a WILD take. 1:48
It's a better one than "murder is wrong because my favorite book says so".
@@Maksie0 The book merely echoes what God has put in our hearts. So you don't know what you're talking about.
@@Maksie0 Yes because some other parents might be delighted that those other parents son was murdered. What does your favorite book say about murder? thanks
@@Maksie0Who says that? In debate or in trying to "reason", nobody says that. Yes, it's in the Bible, along w/ a great many other things, but there's more to it than that. Especially when unbelievers are the ones asking or just attempting to attack the faith. How disingenuous u r.
Those who doesn't understand the scriptures, its not a mere book writen by a novice writer. Those who have a very good experience of the Book, knows its a very good guide to life. But we need to pray for the grace to undestand it. When one finally sees what I mean, he will understand. Only a humble heart and mind may be able tor receive that gift. But God's grace & mercy will still lead us to salvation even if we are not able to fully grasp the Bible.
Franks patience is supernatural. There's no way I could have a conversation with people like these.
People like Mav are not there for a conversation or a debate or looking for answers, they go to these events to protest, intimidate, talk over, shout down & in some cases physically assault people like Frank and then they play the victim.
Agreed with both comments. I don't know if I would have the temperament for all that, especially since I'm not always that great at thinking of responses on the fly 🤔.
You are very generous calling that thing a person.
Generation Snowflake
@@bullymaguire9987 Probably, but I admit I am flawed. That "guy" was an a55hole, how ironic though, you are being a judgmental hypocrite while playing righteous.
People like yourself disgusted me away from Christianity for all of my life but I have learned to ignore you.
God bless.
"Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions."
Proverbs 18:2
Yer, frank is pretty bad for that
Amen. Mav only fooled himslf.
Proverbs 15:1
Fools find no pleasure in understanding it delight in airing their own opinions
I don’t think folks from the alphabet community understand that people who aren’t allies have an inborn repulsion to their behavior and beliefs. That doesn’t justify treating them with meanness, but at the same time they speak about how they “feel” as if it supersedes how people feel who aren’t part of their community. Just because I don’t agree with your lifestyle doesn’t mean I hate you, but at the same time don’t expect me to celebrate your lifestyle and affirm it.
Exactly, however your logic and reason and respectfulness in this comment doesn’t matter because their foundation of truth is their own ideas and emotions.
Thats a great point. Everyone needs to approach one another with dignity and empathy even when its uncomfortable.
You're complaining about how the LGBTQ+ people "feel", but you start by saying that those against them "have an inborn repulsion"? Is that not a feeling? And if you think they are unaware of that repulsion and hatred, you're truly clueless. Mav is here because they have experienced that hatred.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Re-read my original post. I said that they (the alphabet mafia) believes (or speaks) as though their feelings supersedes how people feel who aren’t part of their community. And they don’t care that people who aren’t allies are repulsed by their behaviors-they just want everyone to affirm it-“Aww, aren’t Chuck and Bill so cute when they hold hands and kiss.” 🤮 It’s repulsive to someone who is straight and not an ally. I’m not going to be hateful toward that community, but I’m honestly repulsed by it. If that is deemed “hate” by you, so be it. 🤷
Evolution is not the friend of the Materialist.
"there are so many moral codes i've read about....." 3 minutes later "i have severe ADHD (therefore i cant read)"
This sums thoses people up perfectly. Challenge them and they default to some excuses.
Good observation . The young man just wanted to bully Mr Turek and call him names .
The devil is the father of lies. Good observation catching the lie, i missed it the first time.
LGBT always wants a loop hole. I came out of that lifestyle after 20+ years, there is NO LOOP hole... Get over yourself, and get right with God. It really IS the simple. The concept, but actually putting it into practice, still simple but Jesus is faithful to help one's heart, and mind revert back to the way we were meant to think and feel about the opposite gender.
When we're lost we all have a tendency to try to create loopholes of either excusing the wrong we do or justifying the good we don't do. It's man's attempt to try to live up to the moral standards that we can't do. That's why when Jesus amplified the law and even went beyond it. He says the law says do not commit adultery but I say that if you even look at a woman with lust you've committed adultery with her in your heart! The law has a tendency to shut mouths and declare us all as guilty! Once we're willing to see how we don't measure up, we make a proclamation like Paul which was what a wretched man I am , who will deliver me from this body of death!!! But my friend we can praise Jesus that he's the one that delivers us!!
We often don’t evaluate our sinfulness accurately because we only see the “goodness” in our
sins. When we view others, we more accurately see the bad qualities of what they are doing. We only see the goodness in the sin - the passion,
the intimacy, etc
Love the testimony and your repentance. May you follow in the steps of Jesus
@@kladies3021 agreed, well said
@@Nativecontrolservices yup yup!! I twisted Romans in my head (too long of an explanation here) to fit my lifestyle, BUUUUUUT I knew, I knew better.
I wish we had Tens of thousands of teachers like Frank, this man is such a blessing.
We do.
They just haven’t been fooled into believing the bible.
@@utcnc7mm It's just a gotcha comment. Probably best to give it no attention 🤔.
@@CLDJ227 I would say your right
@@utcnc7mm Would lol?
@@CLDJ227just a figure speech, saying yeah, you’re right
Frank is so patient. So rough to listen to Mavs ramblings
I don't Have the patience Frank has
Perhaps you should try to acquire some empathy.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Empathy Is A pathetic excuse,
@@Revelation.21-13 Is that why you choose to not have empathy?
Pray for this kid, he was never told to be quiet and listen for more than 10 seconds without arguing.
Yes but it's "severe ADHD". 😂😂😂😂
Looks like this guy has two mouths n one ear
And you really think people will pray for this person? People got more personal problems to pray for lul
Turek is a dreadful apologist. What the kid was trying to examine is the internal consistency of Turek's worldview. The topic wasn't about the nature and foundation of morality. This is a standard deflection used by weak apologists to distract from the question at hand. A good philosopher doesn't deflect, he confronts directly and when possible restates the other argument even more strongly than the objector has framed it himself. If the objection is "Your moral system, objective or not, is not internally consistent", then attacking the objective foundation of the questioner's own moral system comes across as an attempt to avoid the uncomfortable reality of one's own inconsistency by making the debate about dueling moral foundations (an important topic, but not the one at hand at the moment). It is at the very least lazy apologetics and Turek did this kid a disservice by refusing to recognize the nature of the the question and taking it as an opportunity to defend the consistency of his own Christian worldview. In short, if Turek was a competent apologist he would have actually helped the kid find the very best statement of his objection and then dealt with it straight up, instead of trying to trick the kid into another topic. Turek was embarrassing and is the one who rally needs the prayers.
@@katrinayakizzyes people will pray for him believe it or not .
That kid is out of control. Major props to Dr. Turek on how composes he remained during that disrespectful outburst.
Agreed. Would even say militant. No different from anyone else who follows after their own made up moral code. People go to war over these conflicting ideas.
What is wrong with you. The preacher was lecturing, not having a discussion. The kid was emotional but his argument was evolution creates morality. The preacher didn't care and was just like.. you're wrong. How would you not get frustrated taking with that kind of dumb dumb head
These kids are so lost it is scary.
And they’re our future…..
Replace the word "lost" with Genz.
They're not lost....... they're indoctrinated.
@@kenyanr1 JESUS is my future
He is seeking and trying his best to believe his own ideology but grasping at straws, he needs our prayers 🙏
Pray for this lost soul....he's very angry and disheartened.....
Satan is the author of confusion
Why can nobody see that this is a female?
"Do you want a conversation?"
_NO_
And that right there is the problem, sadly.
I dont know how frank has had this exact conversation 100000 times and is still so patient.
Because he doesn't actually listen and just says the same thing again and again.
@@endersdragon34From your point of view
@@jmo1375 when was the last time he had a new argument
@@endersdragon34 What's wrong the argumentation if it's perfectly logical?
@@swiftcreations it's not perfectly logical
A person with a closed mind will never shut their mouths.
Some times a close minded person just needs to walk and talk threw all the steps before they can move outside the box assuming they aren't disingenuous
Assuming they're not disingenuous and they are really trying to go through the steps to figure it out
@@bumperxx1 that's a fair point, but to be fair most times you can tell a disingenuous person from a genuine one by their questions and over all demeanor. Most disingenuous people tend to have an air of superiority about the way they respond or in their mannerisms while talking.
Ever
Most Christers I meet are not close minded. They are non-minded.
It's interesting to watch people make all sorts absolutes based on assumptions.
And sometimes, it seems they know it but just don't care.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 If only that entity appeared to humanity, lived among us, gave us instructions on whats moral and immoral, and vowed that not only He would return, but that He would bring perfect justice and end to suffering for all of eternity.
@sterlingfallsproductions3930 if you are referring to Jesus and morality. There is more evidence that he exists than Alexander the Great by myriads of evidence and he has given us His moral law. No need for assumptions with that.
@@PBAdventures146 True! Also, there will be more evidence that Jesus existed than the people denying Him when they die and time goes on. With technology, pictures can be altered so we won't know who was real and who was fake lol.
@jtremaine23 pictures don't really have anything to do with it and never have. It would he foolish to base an opinion on a picture of someone from a couple thousand years ago. The testimony and witness of both his followers and over 100 non religious followers who attested to his existence, death, and resurrection carry more weight to me than someone's drawing of his assumed appearance. 🙂
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I'll pray for Mav. Frank handled this well, a gentle response is a good thing.
I have ADHA and it does not prohibit me from reading, reading calms the mind
It does to me, everyone has different effects and brains
It makes me angry to see someone behave with such pride and incredulity when they are logically bankrupt. I don’t have the kind of grace Frank has.
They're both clowns.
"Someone behave with such pride and incredulity when they are logically bankrupt" is a mean thing to say about Frank Turek.
@@UnconventionalReasoninghe was talking about u
@@cryogenicheart2019 Haha, so brilliant!
@@UnconventionalReasoning Oh, how cute and unconventional.
Dr. Turek's patience is admirable.
Thank you Frank for teaching us throughout the years!
Lol!
@@mattslater2603 clearly you can't handle the truth
@@billybob-ro6qf "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!" i forgot what movie thats from but i love quoting that when applicable
@@Trucking4Jesus JESUS IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY, & THE LIFE & sadly many people can't handle Him. So many rather die in sin & stay in darkness than give their lives to Jesus, get saved, & make Heaven their home.
The moral world Mav advocates for is one where "might makes right" - meaning whichever group is the largest and strongest gets to decide what is right and wrong. Those decisions will always be to the benefit of that stronger group and to the detriment of the weaker ones. I don't think he realizes how cruel that kind of world would be.
agrree, especially to his kind in the end. we saw this with national socialism or communism.
Why should anyone listen to Mav? She already showed flaws and inconsistencies in her own moral standard. Frank asked her to stop talking over him and let him speak and she says "fair" acknowledging how wrong it was for her to talk over him. Only to disregard that 2 seconds later and start talking over him because she can't control herself.
What a perfect representation on why her standard is based on personal feelings and guess what, feelings change. Truly ironic
Comrade is confused.
Sadly, the US has a very ethnocentric viewpoint that has broken down into subcultures. That’s why you have LGBT people wanting to change the Bible’s morality.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 say what you want to say. I don’t answer to ums and passive-aggressiveness.
I couldn't have remained as calm as Frank. This interaction has made me check myself and will help me to grow and to hopefully be able to help people more
The moral standard for humanity is the Ten Commandments.
And they are cooied from Hamourabi's code, morality existed much before the invention of god. So I'd rather talk about the seven commandments ...
it's adorable you think the 10 commandments which came well after Genesis and the foundation of the world is when "God was invented" 😂
@@scriptwriter1268 I said much before god was invented. Because even the text of genesis was written between 8th and 6th centurty before junior, not earlier. And most of old testament is copied from older sumerian texts.
@tontonbeber4555 as the OT says, only a fool says God is not real or invented because they KNOW it's not true. There are no true atheists.
@@scriptwriter1268 ah, so god is real because it's written in the ot . 🤣🤣🤣
Proverbs 18:7 KJV
A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
Wow, that's bad hate poetry.
@@highroller-jq3ix No, it's truth
@@bigdogbill119 Please provide objective verification to validate your supposed "truth." And . . . go!
@@highroller-jq3ix it’s not my “supposed” truth, it’s GOD’s. Listen bud, ignorance needs no more practitioners. Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Simple as that
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand .
I'm pretty sure that "Mav" is the bigot in this situation.
There is a generation that curses their father,
and does not bless its mother.
There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes,
and yet is not washed from its filthiness.
There is a generation-oh, how lofty are their eyes!
Proverbs 30
"Crybully" is an apt description.
Uh you can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@MichaelMcDonald-my2np um, but the person can not continue in the lifestyle. Repentance is key to Christianity. Sexual immorality has to be overcome.
Just because God forgives doesn't mean we should continue grieving the Holy Spirit. If we do, the faith is either weak or dead.
@@MS-hl8fe Who told you that? It sounds like you've been beguiled by the serpent and brought back under the law by the Nicolaitans.
I knew this person was going to be problematic when he/she said. "I'll just say my name is Mav." When he/she could've just said, "My name is Mav." or "Call me Mav."
Mabye s/he slurred it and it should have been MADDD!!!!
Just say they you aren’t trying to get a word count bud
I knew it as well.
Wow! Well done Frank! Way to stay cool and still show love
"Is it on Audible? I have ADHD."
This generation 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
😂
Made. meroll my eyes, too, I'm not proud of that, but my goodness. Gee, I wonder why you can't focus, dear...
I'm Asperger with ADHD, he used his statement for his own defense.
Part of the LGBTQ community.
ADHD sucks, I understood him there
lol 😆
Great answer frank, and such a common topic in our society.
Don't be surprised when frank comes out
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np ?
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np Or when the stories of his indiscretions come out. RZ, anyone?
They have so much hate.
Done well Frank.
God bless 💙🇦🇺
They have so much hate ????? I did not hear hate from that person . Frank is a BIGOT when it comes to sex . plus Frank does not understand evolution. It is not the survival of the fittest . More the survival of the best adapted to its environment.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np You can be vegan and eat steak every day. 🥩 ❤
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2npyou can be a police officer and a criminal 👮♂️💰
@@AImighty_Loafso you cant be Christian and a sinner?
I was SO SO hesitant to click this video when I saw it because I know the sort of brain rot I would be in for. I seriously regret my decision. But massive respect to Frank for being able to deal with that.
I feel for Mav, obviously there’s a lot of hurt in her heart which is coming out in anger. Praying in love for this lost soul to discover truth. Thank you Dr. Turek, for always bringing a great discussion and keeping your cool!
😂😂😂😂😂
Amen.
Mav is a dude.
Mav is a God-hating reprobate
Seems like a guy to me - how do you know it's a female?
Dr. Frank turek's question is simple and straightforward but there is no logical answer from the atheistic standpoint.. Thank God for the Frank turek. He handled the situation gracefully and logically
Frank Turek's question presupposes his definition of "objective morality", and the requirement that it exists. They talked about murder, where is the objective morality in a deity telling "his chosen people" to murder other peoples?
@@UnconventionalReasoning"Unconventional Reasoning"
"Repeats tired cliches about objective morality"
Why do so many atheists have some variation on "logic" or "rational" in your names? Can't you think for yourselves? Why do you argue against objective morality and then accuse God of being "wrong" or "bad"? That doesn't exist according to you so chill out buddy. Nothing to worry about.
@@UnconventionalReasoningGod never told anybody to commit an unjustified killing, either. That's the definition of murder. Those who God passed judgement upon were evil and were given their reward. It's impossible for God to commit or counsel evil of any kind from both of our perspectives. From your perspective evil doesn't exist and from mine God is perfect love, even when He punishes people.
Everybody's happy!
@@showmeanedge The word "justified" does a lot of heavy lifting. Every time a person kills someone today, they can say, "God told them to kill that person", and it's fine.
Please grow up instead of pretending that "it's impossible for God to commit or counsel evil", it's how bad things are justified all the time.
@@showmeanedge I promise you that I can think for myself much better than you.
If I read a book like "Lord of the Rings", I can talk about the things that characters do which are wrong. I treat deities in religious texts the same way.
Only a minute in and I can already tell Mav’s not looking for an answer. Mav’s looking for a fight. 😢
And he admitted towards the end that he wasn't looking for a dialogue, but rather, an apology.
An apology that can only come if Frank had done something wrong, which would require a moral standard. I wish my generation could think and understand what truth truly is.
That guy doesn’t want to hear the truth he just wants to get out what he believes. Very close minded
I agree, Frank Turek doesn't want to hear the truth and very clearly just reflects the question away and moves to moral ontology without engaging with the idea that homophobia is harmful
You handled this way more productive than I would have. Thank you for your example
Typical unbeliever, he doesn't WANT an answer.
Typical believer… you want an answer so bad you will even believe a 2000 year old fairy tale rather than admit you simply do not know.
@@CryptoBonsaiDogs Bu- bu- but God did it! It says it here in this book!!!1!1!1!
@@rubencampos6298 ha.
Wait another 2000 years until they dig up a Harry Potter series. That will be interesting.
@@CryptoBonsaiDogs It appears you need to go and read that fairy tale a bit more. Start with the New Testament.
@@lawrence1318 been there, done that. Why you think I’m now an atheist.
Some people don't want to know because it destroys their sinful lifestyle.
I’d like to see the statistics on how many kids have been hurt by the lgbtq
I'm sure it would pale in comparison to all the children abused by church leaders... with their ENDLESS pedrophillia scandals....
There's both statistics and national news about the topic. Gay couples being arrested for child r*pe, for example. If Google hasn't censored it, you'll find those articles very easily.
The majority has
All of them.
@@tino0217Nothing but assertions. Where is the evidence or “data”? And don’t cite a bunch of pro-LGBT or anti-Christian sources and expect anyone to take you seriously.
I really hope Mav took Frank up on his offer.
I'm also glad that you released this extended version of the video. The previous cut *could* look like Frank was trying to cut Mav off and only said what he said after Mav left. This video shows that, like I suspected, Mav was talking over him and not allowing him to respond.
Yes, it's so sad that Frank Turek has no platform to speak, Mav stopped him from ever saying what he wants to say.
Frank has the patience of a saint!
Turek has the ethics of a Trump.
When people say " if some people are actually born homosexual and homosexuality is wrong then why did god make that person that way?" I believe that everyone has a cross to bear on their walk in faith and not everyone is meant to be married and have kids. I had a friend that never got married and never had sex before he died and although he never admitted it, we believe he was gay but his faith would not allow him to act on it. That doesn't mean he did not live a full life. He was one of the most loved men in our town.
Typical LGBT interaction. Don’t want to hear the truth
That's why they are who they are.. rainbow. They dont know who they are.
Franck is brilliant...and so patient....thank you
Even ADHD will cease in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Too bad People love their own "truth" more than the Truth.
I feel bad for “Mav.” He’s not a happy person and can never be when heading down the road he is on. I lost count of the layers of lies that this person has allowed to shape his perspective. They are mostly powerful ones but still lies and the Spirit of The Living God can pierce through them all.
He doesn't want a conversation he just wants to be offended.
He has every right to be offended. Turek is communicating something that harms other people, even he himself admitted this.
Yet, he continues to be dismissive and tries to rationalize his actions.
What conversation can be had here?
She
@@gergelymagyarosi9285what are you talking about she couldn't answer the question because she didn't have one
@@qpghostqp9551
Did Turek answer the question? No, he posed just another as a diversion.
I say diversion, because if both he and his interlocutor agree that an action is bad, then the moral grounding is irrelevant.
BTW, watch again, because she clearly had questions.
@@D.B-x2s
Turek doesn't disagree that ostracising people (including LGBTQ people) is bad.
So what is your point?
I’m so glad I discovered this channel. You’re answering so many hard questions.
Which questions has it answered for you?
While US soldiers are dying while fighting overseas wars…. These people are oblivious to everything except their feelings. They exist on another planet.
U.S. soldiers are dying. And killing.
So much for the moral objectives handed down from a god.
They get a pass because well...the government says its ok.
That's not absolute, that's relative morality.
oh no the American slaves following the governments commands to fight and die for no reason!
0:20 the blue shirt guy on the left said "well, here we go again." 🤣🤣
Has this guy ever observed nature it's ruthless.
Frank was talking about the source of morality, and that there can be no objective moral laws without an objective moral lawgiver.
"Girl"
Even if there is a lawgiver, what makes the law objective?
So what is it when gorillas will have a “tribe” that takes care of each others’ offspring and punishes those who harm others within the tribe? Surely it can’t be objective morality. If not, what is it and why can’t humans have that as well?
@@mattr.1887Because the only morally perfect being to exist is God he made the laws he has authority to give the law because God is perfect in all his ways. Humanity is inconceivably immoral
If you, as a parent, think that humans are born intrinsically good, do not allow your kid to come in contact with any standard principle on what is wrong, do not teach him the standard for what is right. Then, see what kind of morality “evolves” from the “goodness” that is intrinsically inside of his heart. You will be up for a rude and sad surprise.
My daughter has no problem with morality yet. She’s 2.
Or ask any parent "when raising your child, did you have to teach them to lie or tell the truth? Which did they do naturally???"
Yep, and there's absolutely no reason why that morality should come from a supossedly magical book about an imaginary man in the sky.
@@rubencampos6298 Wrong, as you usually are. Nobody but smug idiots call the Bible a "supossedly (sic) magical book". It's the word of God, so it IS the foundation for morality.
@@rubencampos6298 You don't know what you're talking about. The bible simply refers to the morality we already have in our hearts.
I've seen this "mav" guy in other videos at Turning Point USA - not looking for the truth, just defending his lifestyle with feelings. God bless him.
Thats a woman man.
@@chrisbailey9377 you sure its not a man woman?
But he's there, isn't he? He attends, and he hears. God is not finished writing his story yet. Pray for him - or her!
God save him.
Surely God will not bless him only if he repents and humble himself but he is very proud disrespectful judgemental and impolite
Dr. Frank, as a former struggling alcoholic, I came back to the faith of my youth through your apologetics mission. That then led me to a personal relationship with Jesus, which then restored my life, my marriage and my kids. I'm now almost 4 years sober and continue to work towards being the man God wants me to be. Blessings to you!!!
Frank thanks, you've taught e a lot about morality, it strengthens me as a Christian.
That strength is hollow.
Frank simply claims his morality comes from an old book written by ancient men.
@@Moist._Robotby what standard is it hollow? By NEW books written by men?? 🙃
@@Moist._RobotIf that’s what you think, you haven’t listened to much Frank Turek.
@@alantinoalantonio
Because you get your morals from an old book written by men who thought slavery, rape and stoning children to death was ok.
@@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen
Can you elaborate?
How can a person be LGBTQIA+. Aren't they L or G or B or T or Q or I or A? It seems like it would be impossible to be L and G while being B. But if you are T then are you also L or G? Or maybe, just B and +? WHAT ABOUT S?
They mean they're part of the LGBT + community not that they're gay, lesbian trans etc all at once
listen to what they say, not what you think they mean
Wonderful satire. Keep going!
Because it's all Fictional bs made up in their heads
@@thoms829 But that's exactly what they say. They say "I'm part of the community." Please stop trolling 😂🤡
You don't set standards by defects and anomalies. You set standards by what's natural, normal and the greatest benefit to society.
Homosexuality is natural, religion is unnatural.
Thats the problem their standards are based on the feelings of the individual and offending them is a crime.
@@logicalatheist1065 The desire to steal is natural, doesn't make it right.
@@reggiecurry1612desire to steal is not natural
@@markshard Yes it is.
@Mav There are people who listen with the intent to understand; but there are others that listen with only the intent to reply.
I've learned the crucial lesson of determining whether a person is willing to listen or not. Also, determining whether they're giving an emotional argument or a social argument is very important. Otherwise, no mutual understanding can ever occur.
the "extended cut" like a movie 💀thank you turek.
Simple things....
That's always their argument for the "fluidity" of sex: because 1% of people face sex/intersex disorder then sex is fluid.
That's a fallacy on itself.
Just because 1 comet doesn't follow general relativity we don't say that the theory doesn't work.
And besides, even though 1% of people are really nor male or female, what makes you think you can apply that to the other 99% of people who are perfectly fine?
there are psychological issues and lots of trauma behind many alphabet people. some are just pychologically disturbed. normally not the kind of people who would pass their genes on. besides: we live in a fallen world so it would not surprise me if "mav" will get the norm and "cis" people the circus freaks of tomorrow. especially if they are christian.
It’s called “the exception that proves the rule” fallacy. Exceptions do not prove rules like gender being socially constructed because of rare outliers like intersex people, in the same way that 1 in 10000 people taking cyanide pills and NOT dying doesn’t make cyanide safe for human consumption.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Of course it's not 1%, I don't have the actual stats here, but the point I was trying to make you understand (which clearly went over your head) is that it doesn't make sense to redefine and change 99% of people for a minority. That includes the gospel.
@@cbl6520 Exactly. But these people choose to believe modern day media which is completely corrupt rather than hundreds of years of research. That kid didn't even knew Darwin name.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 My friend, when you start imposing things like: "call me by my pronouns", "having biological males entering women's bathroom because they feel like women", "having biological men compete with women", that's imposing your narrative on others. So yes, if anyone is forcing here is your minority. We couldn't care less about whatever you identify with or whatever one of the 1000 sexes you think you are as long as you leave us alone. But you can't do that right? You need attention and to have other people look at you.
Bottom line, do whatever you want with your life, in the end we all are gonna be judged according to what we did.
I hope you're prepared for what's coming.
UA-cam is continually editing my ability to express my opinions. I bet if I was lgbtq I could say whatever I wanted.
I don't have the bandwidth to deal with people like this. When you just want to regurgitate your talking points, you actually harm your own argument.
She literally just argued that evolution doesn’t support survival of the fittest…ok
Hopefully these people will figure out what it is that keeps them coming back to argue against something that they claim to not even believe in.
So appreciate what you’re doing out there, Frank. I have listened to you for years and I am grateful you have chosen to be used by God the powerful way you have been.
Mav just showed to be angry, disrespectful and a fool.
Frank has a lot of patience. Honestly I couldn’t
Our response to these folks should be prayer and love. They are so lost, just like you once were. Mav, I pray God works mightily in your life.
Christ was confrontational. We arent here to tickle ears. Christ spoke about hell more than heaven. Temp checks people. Lukewarm? Good day.
Moral standards & objective morality comes from human evolution that developed over millions of years. Its called "learned behaviour" as human beings learned over millions of years through trial & error (learned behaviour) that helping, protecting and cooperating with each other leads to positive outcomes - not negative outcomes. Is this not the reason why we have Universities, Colleges and schools; to teach people what previous generations have learned and experienced?
This is exactly true! It sounds like Mav was trying to argue this point, but unfortunately didn't word it as well as your comment
@@TERRORSQUlDThanks to the Christian God and their sycophants, humanity went though 1000 years of darkness (Dark Age), whereby anything scientific was classified "heresy" against doctrine. I just have a horrible feeling this guy is on a crusade to take humanity back into a second religious Dark Age.I also suspect that if an omnipotent being did create the Universe and everything in it; then that being would have a superior intellect, and not have to resort to the narcissistic methods of punish & reward. This guy still hasn't answered the basic fundamental question about: what happened to all the human beings who lived and died before Christianity was created, and Jesus was born.
MAV isn’t listening.
MAV loves the sound of his own voice !
Regarding intersex. As an aspiring nursing student we learn in physiology that intersection is just a few select people that have an issue in their DNA or a problem occurs in the womb which creates an underdeveloped reproductive system which may present itself in several ways. But that doesn't change biologically what your DNA was meant to instruct regarding the development of a female or male. But problems do happen which aren't the norm in genetics. Mathew 19:12 clearly reads this: "For there are some eunuchs who were so born from their mother’s womb, and there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” What does eunuch mean? as aformentioned, one born with an underdeveloped reproductive system but it can also be those made of men meaning those castrated to serve the king and not reproduce with concubines or women of importance, and eunuchs as in those choosing a life of celibacy to further devote time to God.
Regarding the Binary:
Genesis 2:24
Ephesians 5:31
Mathew 19:4-6
We read that a man leaves his mother and father to join his wife and become one flesh.
1 Corinthians 6:16 - What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
Revelation 19:7
Mathew 25
John 3:29
Clearly read that Christ is called the bridegroom of the Church. Hence, the marriage between a man and woman is meant to represent the relationship that Christ has with his Church.
Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
2 Corinthians 11:2 - For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
So far we read that a union in marriage and sexual intercourse is a joining of flesh. Adulterers join to be one flesh which reaps bad fruit. But God created marriage, clearly defined between one man and one woman, as a holy union which bares good fruit.
1 Corinthians 6
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
We all know that the body of Christ is what? The Church.
Ephesians 4:16
1 Corinthians 11:27-30
1 Corinthians 10:15-17
1 Corinthians 12:27 - Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Colossians 1:18 - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1 Corinthians 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Clearly, adulterers and fornicators are not joined as one flesh unto Chirst and are hence not the temple which house the Holy Ghost. And we read previously that marriage is only between one man and one woman as the representation of Christ's relationship with the Church. What does this mean then? They that are not of the Church of Christ and go against the will of God, join their flesh in unholy marriage and sexual immorality to join as the temple which houses the demonic spirits and entities that belong to Satan as they have joined not just as one flesh, but as one spirit.
You were created in God's image, but your father is the devil. Christ did die for the sins of mankind, but your debt is only covered by the blood of Christ if you accept his sacrifice. In Mathew 10:33 we read that whoever denies Christ before men, Christ will deny them before the father. Your debt is only paid and your body and spirit only belongs to God, when you place your faith in him bc God will not accept a son of Satan into his kingdom.
You have your God given free will to defile that which was created to be the temple that houses the Holy Ghost, your body.
A related question could be this... maybe intersex people shouldn't marry because they couldn't be sure what there intended sex was? (the sex that their initial DNA determined before it was "corrupted"?)
kids with tantrums for not getting what they want and being mad about it do not make sense.
Wait did Frank just say "If somebody says gay is good, that a matter of opinion. If somebody thinks gay is bad, that is a matter of opinion." Ummm noooo. Being gay is bad. God calls it an abomination. That does not mean we do not love the sinner. But it is not an opinion. I know he has spoken the truth about it so wonder what he meant with this statement.
Days of Noah
The ones that didn't happen?
@@mattslater2603Christianity living in your head rent free. Eh?😊
No in Noah day there was hope in our day things could very well wrap up. I had an individual tell me how the gay been hurt by people of faith. I asked them who there hero is an they said MAO SE TUNG. So I asked them if Mao was wrong for killing over 60 million of his own people. They told me that was a lie he did not kill his people. That's folks what a 6 year college masters is doing and they think we should pay for it. Lord. Notice the calm peace of Frank and the frenzied victim hood nature of the wannabe god individual who has created God in their image
@mattslater2603 When you see a Great White Throne, well, know you were warned. Good luck with that.
@georgewood7381 wow do you understand luck has no place in the Gospel? Not one bit concerned about great white throne because I am attoned for and accepted In the first judgement. Plus if you understood the white throne judgement you'd know every thing to do with the old Jerusalem an Earth are no more like I said above.
So If Mav says that helping someone with food is good because it keeps the person alive and further continues society and the human race going doesnt that mean that lgbt is bad because it stops the advancement of the human race?
No. The human race is much more than reproduction. By that logic, your 80 year old grandma is bad, your infertile neighbour is bad, childless couples are bad and anyone whose sole purpose is not to reproduce is bad. Which is a rather absurd take if you ask me.
@@rubencampos6298 Wrong, as usual. Even idiots that don't believe in God will argue that everything is about evolution, so everything is about reproduction.
@@liquidmagma What are you talking about? 😂😂😂
@@rubencampos6298 If you can't keep up go read a book.
Amen! Thank you Frank ✝️❤️
It's like this Frank has not heard of empathy. That's where our moral compass comes from.
He also doesn't understand that survival of the fittest for humans involves collaboration for survival.
He didn't answer the man's question. He asked several questions in response. That's a huge red flag.
His answer to everything is going to be a Christian god. There's no point in trying to have a mature discussion with someone like that. He's basically just saying "I'm right because I'm going to use my belief in god to say so." He seems to forget that "god's teachings" is just a person's opinion.
“I have severe ADHD.” Like so many his age-brandishing his mental health issues for all the world to see as some badge of honor.
"Him" ? It was a she.
i was there, and although mav was interupting a lot and being rude, it was obvious she cared, she was even open to receiving a book by frank. even some people in the audience sat down and talked with her after the meeting to try to help. With Franks patience and kindness, and the love of the people that was given to Mav afterward, i hope and pray she felt Jesus and wants to seek him.
he not she.
That's good.. Hopefully Mav will genuinely keep seeking and receiving the truth and the veil be removed from their eyes.
You know I feel for Mav. All of us were lost at some point. And it's probably so difficult to be confused about our identity. We should definitely keep Mav in our thoughts and prayers. Plus, Mav needs the healing of mind and heart that only Jesus can give.
@@kladies3021that looks like great compassion. Mav is obviously hurt. Maybe the place where she really needs to be met... God bless!
@@thereseservais924 When the Good Shepherd looked at the people he looked at them with compassion, he thought of them as sheep without a Shepherd. How beautifully compassionate and kind is our God! He showed us the same kindness. It's the kindness of God that leads one to repentance.
My friend I hope your day is filled with joy and peace from our beautiful Lord Jesus.
Leviticus 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
That and its common sense a penis was designed for a vagina, not an anus. Yes, it has to be spelt out elementary for these millennials.
The Bible gets many, many factual, observable, easily verifiable things wrong. This is no different. Besides, that is a mistranslation of the original 😂😂
@@rubencampos6298 ,
1st Corinthians 6 : 9 & 10
Men who abuse themselves with Men shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God !
That's NO mistranlation ! 😂
@@jimthomas1989 I guess Samuel 15 isn't either and your god is indeed a child murderer then.
@@jimthomas1989 Is Samuel 15 also not a mistranslation? Or god did give the command to slaughter children?
lack of self control-is a moral problem
He said you have blood on your hands.
By what standards?
Do you even understand what the phrase "blood in your hands" means?
@@Mavors1099do you even understand that that phrase was derived from the Bible?
@@Mavors1099 yes it's in the bible.
Frank is amazingly calm and so learned.
Mav spent his whole life preparing for this moment and this is the best he could do 😂😂😂😂
Should’ve brought index cards 😂
No no. Mav spent his whole life wondering why his father abandoned him
@@purplelover9633 He didnt need any index cards when he clearly was just planning to yell over Frank and not let him speak and prove him wrong. Typical hateful antifa goon.
Mav spent their whole life wondering why Frank Turek hates them without even knowing them.
Well he does have ADHD
When someone says they are a humanist they have no idea what they are talking about
God bless Frank. I couldn't deal with these people.
Yes, we know. Such a Christ-like response, to dismiss people.
@UnconventionalReasoning The person resorted to calling him a Bigot. He deserves to leave.
@@jacobembry6709 He is a bigot, and a weak one, hiding behind his interpretation of a religious text to validate his mindset.
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
@@jaymondo You have described Frank Turek perfectly.
For the first time I agree with the Mav or lady or whatever. This preacher guy is trying to say there's no morals without the Christianity God. Which just isn't true.
No, there is no morality with out a God is the argument. The Christian God is not part of the argument.
@@souzajustin19d so there was no morality for tens of thousands of years before Christianity? Get out of here with that. Makes no sense.
@@FenrirRagnulf Once more, the Christian God has nothing to do with this argument. God could be the flying spaghetti monster for all we know. But morality cant exist with out some sort of God.
@@souzajustin19d explain exactly how that makes sense? Do you honestly believe there's always been a book around since the dawn of time to tell people not to kill? Like you make zero sense.
@@FenrirRagnulf A Book no. Plato and Aristotle described from logic and philosophy a prime mover, a first mover that began everything. Now they lived in a time Christ and Jew were not heard of, but they understood there must be a first mover. The past cant go into the infinite, the infinite regress is not possible with causality. So this mover had to make a choice from nothing to make this universe. We dont know what that uncaused cause is, but what ever it is appears to be some type of God. Choice only comes from those with a mind, this mover had to make a choice. Because nothing chooses to do nothing, it does nothing. An outside force is necessarily to make the first cause in the chain.
He left as ignorant and self righteous as when he came.
That's Frank's entire job.
How long do you think he'd be in hhix buisness if he ever changed his mind?
Why is it, that the speaker avoided the question by asking the guess a handful himself?