Isa you can do what you like, but just don't think it's Ok with God, the two cannot be mixed, live your way of life if you have to, no one is forcing God on you, you have a choice.
@@annemac8175 What you just said was an indirect example of what isa just said. Read your words again. Your message was basically saying "you shouldn't do this because my god said so". that's no different than "you can't do this because of my religion"
Anne the scriptures have been interpreted differently as they went through languages over years. The original text was different. The English language has changed over time. Also, I think you should pay attention to one of the things that John said. Whenever a heterosexual person does something horrible, we don’t think of it as reflecting on all heterosexual people, and it’s not fair to say your bad experiences with one gay person reflects on all of them. If someone’s a pervert, they’re going to be a pervert regardless of their sexual orientation. I don’t agree with straight people trying to make gay people straight just as I don’t approve of gay people trying to make straight people gay. And honestly this just drives home the point that we don’t chose our sexual orientation. If I can’t make you gay, then why is it fair to say you can make me straight? And just note that gay people aren’t attracted to everyone of the same gender. And if anything if they’re flirting with you you should be flattered that you’re attractive. The scriptures tell you to be kind to people, and that’s what’s important to me. I am not trying to be rude to you here either. If you’re offended by what I’m saying, then I apologize for that.
@@danial804 \You need to go to the experts who teach the *grammer* of ancient languages and this is what I have done...you are twisting words in the scripture to suit your *sort of desires and ways* straight people also have the dilema of choosing whether or not to commit adultery or not and that sin is alongside the sodomy sin too, so it's not just your lot it's us too. Now regarding your interpretation of man and boy you need to provide us with the wording which states this , I will be waiting... Here is another information, why would a God make somebody gay then forbid them doing the pervert actions....NO God did not create Adam and Steve and as I say you can live your life as you please but just stay away from trying to say that God's OK with that, God loves everyone no matter but He hates sin and straight people won't be getting away with their sins either. I would give my blood to a gay to save his life, rescue him from a burning house fire, it's natural for us to help people in distress but ask me to go to a gay wedding...NO, the scripture says I would be as bad as the gay person's sin and appear to be supporting it. (ST Paul)
dude is logically and articulately reinforcing what everyone has always known. there is only ONE argument against homosexuality: 'thinking about it makes me feel 'icky''. the only logical response is 'i dont care. you are free to not think about it.'
@@emraldeyz1 In order to understand the obvious reasons you need to think about how Homosexuals copulate . I can't go into that on here you might be a child .
@rolandhawken6628 Again, that goes to how you feel about that. It has no bearing on it being right or wrong. Furthermore 'homosexuality' is not a word that existed in the Bible until modern translations and is a combination of two terms derived from both Greek and Latin and only came into use in the 1800s.
When he said our children aren't born unto us it struck a cord in me because LGBTQ people aren't born into a community, we are born alone sometimes into a community hostile to us, It's a scary lonely feeling. My heart goes out to the younger generations struggling to find themselves in a sometimes hostile world. You are not alone.
On the bright side, things are so much better than they were half a century ago. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence, marriage is legal, and the internet and cell phones allow young people to reach out and join on-line communities. We have the Trevor Project, LGBTQ community centers in almost every city, and many programs directed at providing support for LGBTQ youth.
Gordon Carscadden you still have ass-backward people like Franklin Graham and his followers, who are clones of the late Jerry Falwell. But the absolute worst of all of them is Pastor Steven Anderson. He preaches homosexuals are rejected by God and beyond redemption and thinks they don’t even think once about turning to him and are horrible people.
@@jondstewart pastor steven anderson from arizona...needs to come out.....and ...he has been banned from SEVERAL countries for all of his hate speech...just sayin
the only thing that is morally wrong about any sex is when it's not consenting. as for a person's sexuality, why does someone else's sexuality matter to anyone not engaged in that sexuality? humans are irritating in extremis.
*So as long as there is consent it's perfectly fine? So you believe that incest, adultery, pedophilia and prostitution are perfectly fine. Because all of those can involve consenting parties.*
@@Oscze *I'm aware by law they can't. Technically they can; say you have a 16 year old and a 30 year old who do the nasty, that would be statutory rape which is consensual but it's not recognized by law. There is a difference between the two.*
Wow, as a 72 year old gay man. You actually almost brought me to tears. To hear someone as rational and intelligent as you present the facts with humor and empathy! Every argument is spot on. Everything fits or we make it! Perfect.
I'm not so sure this is totally accurate according to the news. True molesting boys won't promote society. Yet all through history priests and popes have gotten nuns and lay women pregnant.
Me: Sees the title "I guess I'll hear what he has to say, but there really isn't an argument against homosexuality" John: Starts talking about how homosexuality is not wrong Me: He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
I don't even think he was trying to bait like that. He was just asking an honest rhetorical question of his audience. I will admit that I did do the same thing, though.
I clicked on the video fearing the worst, ready to block the channel and ask youtube to NEVER reccomend it again. Thank fucking Dog it wasnt at all what i feared
He's a wonderful guy and an amazing professor! I was lucky enough to have him for one of my courses last year and I'm so happy that I got the chance to learn under him!
Often when people who say they want to make the world a better place its by their standards not by world view of love forgiving of limited thought rather do things my way coming from lack. It's difficult for humans to change their minds next impossible when they have been taught a way and that way being truth for them now here comes a different way. Oh my God am l confused troubles them. Forgiveness, patience love to all.
@@catherinepatton8699 I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
@@sunsundks3891 he read the passage IN THE BIBLE that mentioned homosexuality in case you missed it. saying its not there when its clearly written black on white is a very bad agument.
Uteriel that doesn’t make sense. The word homosexual was coined in 1869 and the last testament was written in 100 AD. There’s no way that the word “homosexual” was mentioned in the Bible. Also the word “homosexual” was mistranslated and actually was meant to say “pedophile”
Sometimes ppl on Earth have larger agendas than breeding to maintain mankind... I'm born in God's image. Somebody going to straighten this mankind Earth destruction thing. That kind of fix WiLL be from outside the box of "societies norm"...
@@astroxturbo815 nobody wanted to hear that, it's the people like you that make religion look bad, you are literally calling this guy an abomination because of his sexual preference. Just because you believe in religion does not mean everyone else has to, so gtfo.
I wasnt planning on staying for the whole thing because I'm a busy man, but it was simply fabulous and I had to listen to the whole thing. I'm bi and it was a wonderful dismantling of arguments.
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
"The more normal it becomes, the more people will be gay" No, dingus, the numbers don't really change. People just become more open about it the less adversity there is against it.
Ryan Wesemann That’s what he’s saying dingus. The more. Normalized it becomes, the more people will come out, raising the numbers, because a lot of people stay closeted for life.
No one will "turn gay" if homosexuality is normalised. Sure, there may be more openly gay people, but the actual number will stay the same. The only number that really changes is that the number of people living in fear and oppression will decrease and I have no idea why people are opposed to that. (Also soz for using gay as a summary for all LGBT its just easier to write and sounds better lmao.)
Dumbass, that's exactly what I am saying. No one turns gay or straight. You either are or you are not. You can change who you are with, but you can never change your feelings towards people, and that is the deciding factor.
@@thehowlinggamer5784 I mean they can, I did. But it doesn't happen over night. A straight person can start to have different interest and get curious is what I mean
my straight friend's moral opinion on the matter (when this wasn't even a political topic yet) : "sure, you guys should absolutely have the right to be just as miserable as we are !" - I still feel like he nailed it ! :D ))
@@starhunter9085 Okay, same. I apologize for assuming you were a closeted homosexual. People can be sick HIV positive though, or in good health and still miserable. So I found your comment to be slightly insulting. Have you ever considered that it's harsh judgement that forced gay people to focus predominately on casual, anonymous sex if they wanted any fleeting human contact at all? Since their legitimate romantic interests were not supported by society or their families? Lol. Maybe it's not that gay people are mostly sad because they're gay, but because they're surrounded by self righteous hypocrites who won't love them but also won't allow them to find love? I'm not going to assume your personal point of view, so may I ask, what is it regarding homosexuality and yourself?
I needed to see this! As a gay man who didn't come out till he was 42! I was told and raised to believe it is not normal, sin against God, etc.! So I stayed in the closet, even was married twice to women and then divorced! I tried to be what society expected me to be and it almost cost my life! I wouldn't wish my situation on anyone and I hope to spread this video so that some young woman or man will have the confidence or moral courage to be who they are!!! Thank you, thank you John!
at times like this im glad i realised it too fast i am a guy born in homophobic country i learned too fast my sexuality and i mean really really fast i wasnt even teenager however because of my country i was expected to be with a wife and im really sure i cant make a family if i dont find her attractive sexualy but im happy i learned it fast other wise i would have ended up with multiple women with who i cant really be but for me there is still time ofc
Slavery in their world wasn’t supposed to be like slavery in the USA; but again it is strange that God for some reason would allow certain people to be born an slave for all their lives ( for gentiles... Jews have to be set free in jubilees).
Paul had a thorn in his side that God refused to remove. God said his grace was enough. Christ says to pick up your cross and follow Him. I'm sorry for what you went through but Jeffrey Dahmer was who he was and it turned out to be the wrong thing. I am who I am and it is not good. I'm lustful, short tempered, jealous and covetous. Being proud of anything, especially something as egocentric as "who you are" brings good to no one. Because of homosexuality one may never know the fulfillment promised by God of being in a fruitful heterosexual relationship and bearing your shortcoming the way Christ wants you to whatever that shortcoming is. We all walk rocky paths in bare feet but that is not a reason to forsake why you were made and and who you were made for. Jesus loves you and us all. Being a parent has brought that fact so intimately close to me. I truly wish you the best and hope you find the courage and the heart to walk the righteous path.
don't be so quick to judge just based on 60 minute video, you need to dive deeper into it's philosophy, history and morality. there are a reason why christian morality are foundation for western society.
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 tbh this kind of topic is huge, not something can write on youtube comment. this is something need to be talked for hours with cup of coffee :3 but i'll do my best. this is merely one part of huge topic, in any society that based their morality on abrahamic religion like cristiany, islam, and judism the existence of "family" is very important for society. and this topic of family is also really huge, but i'll give you one example that actually happen in this world today. if you see in china few decade ago they implament one family one child policy, and today just how much damage this policy done to chinese society is unimaginable. it's make problem start from 500million old age can't sustain themself due lack of children all the way to spoiled mentality of chinese child that effect the quality of their army. now imagine this, that kind of damage is done merely by 1 policy in 1 country, what would happen if this homosexuality and transgender become the new normal? when this idea not just minority but become part of common sense. and if this idea become the bane of our future generation few hundred years later? who gonna take responsible for such disaster? this issue if far more complex than just "let those who love each other be, stop being salty"
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 are you sure that homosexuality are from biological aspect and not culture? are you absolutely sure about that? i am support of motion that no one should ever get persecuted or put in harm way merely because their sexuality. but i am not support of the motion of this new normal that men can go with both man and woman, and vice verse.
Why am i seeing this just now? This has been an empowering moment in my life just listening to this man. The world is a cruel place for gay people and you just made me feel safer through the 57 minutes i used to watch you. This is therapeutic!
I agree with you completely..by the title I thought here we go again..why am I even considering watching this that'll be 58 minutes of my life I can't get back....it was probably the best 58 minutes I've had in 56 years ..and now I think WHY didn't someone give that lecture 60 years ago I feel it will turn the tide for alot of upcoming gays and lesbians though in my 56 years I've seen alot of change taking place for the better
Steve Roberts. I don’t believe in god but you have a good point. I was born a Mormon and I was a Mormon until I was 16. My parents found out I was gay and sent to conversion therapy. Those were the worst years of my life. I was beaten, starved, and spat on. When I turned 18 my parents came and got me from the centre. I told them I was straight just so they wouldn’t send me back. As soon as I got home I packed my bag and ran away. The bible might not condemn homosexuality but it sure as hell don’t condemn hate against our people.
Steve Roberts Bless your kind soul. If I may ask, how does one live a life without anxieties after the whole religious harm has been done? I went through the mental issues both external and internal homophobia does to one, and it ended up giving me crippling anxieties especially with regards to my dating life. I want to be free from the anxieties and be happy. Finally I’m in an environment where I am free to be who I am, the rest is my insecurities....How do I shed them off and be proud and happy with who I am?
Steve Roberts Sometimes it seems we know the truth without seeing the power behind it, thank you so much for making me see the power of my truth and how worthy it is. I just took a snapshot of all what you’ve said and will use it just as you have laid them out. I hope to come back in the future to give a testimony of all the goodness I will achieve as a result of this beautiful piece and wisdom you’ve shared with me today. Thank you Steve!!! Thank you!!!❤️🙌🏾
John--I am a gay man in my early 70's and have heard so much hate against us people over the years. I feel it's because they just don't understand what love is really all about...nor do they care to understand. But I can honestly say that your speech is THE BEST ONE I have ever heard about Gay people. You should be very proud because you presented your case and backed it all up with fantastic knowledge. Well done and thanks so much for educating all those who needed to be able to better understand us Gay Folks. You're a HERO in my book.
I have to agree. At 75, my life has been at times awkward, exacerbated by being born Catholic and a survivor of priest abuse. Bt I held to my beliefs, created my own comfort zone, and expanded upon that in college when I found myself in NYC and at the Stonewall rebellion. I find it sometimes sad that we are continually having to stand our ground, especially in the wave of republican political attacks. This lecture should be required curriculum in all high schools. Thank you for being so clear and timeless.
Sorry, you had to experience all the hate...all due to ignorance...grew up Catholic and went to church for 30 years...in my 30s I started to feel as if I were wearing a mask because I couldn't speak about supporting homosexuality...finally, I stopped going to church...my voice has found the loudest possible volume about educating my kids (students 6-19yrs.) and adults (when I do see any)...times are really changing...being open and positive about sex is the only way to protect the vulnerable...how can people make the right choices if they aren't even taught...sex isn't wrong, abuse is...i only go by acceptance and vigilance...
@@jackstrubbe7608 sorry about your pain...blindly protecting priests is one of the reasons I stopped going to church as well...I tell my young students that sex isn't wrong but abuse of the vulnerable is...I'm trying to educate them better than I was (I mostly learned through reading)...though I do tell my young ones to wait until they really understand what they are going to do...I have never been interested in relationships and now am exploring the possibility of being asexual...young people are becoming more knowledgeable though we have to keep working to educate them positively...wish you happiness and peace...
Wow. I stumbled across this discourse earlier today. I wish I had seen it 10 years ago. I have lived in fear of judgement all through my life. Excellent speaker. Excellent presentation.
God gave you a conscience and a moral law written in your heart. If you feel guilt, or bad, there is a reason and it is to get away from this destructive behavior. Many homosexuals live a chaste life, because they went to hell in persisting in their ways. It is the guilt that makes homosexuals parade, give talks, the want to be accepted because everybody knows even he that is wrong. A child knows this. Many homosexuals say they knew from a very young age, their way was not normal. There is no way out of this but chastity.
I think ignorance is an aspect too. While I was still closeted I worked at this place. Their was this younger guy that was openly gay. One of our shift leads said "I don't have a problem, but how can he know he's gay, he told me he's never had sex with a woman” I thought that's just ignorant. So I said to him "have you ever had sex with a man" he said "no of course not" so I said "then how do you know your not gay"
Sheldon C this is a great example of double standards surrounding people who aren’t straight/cis and it’s honestly kinda ridiculous at this point. It is nice to see their reaction when you expose their double standard though.
Hahaha, it's the "ignorance" of the word of God that's the problem, you 'think" your limited lifespan "opinion' is above God's law and that is your "problem" you'd better take a look at a graveyard God has always had the "final" word and he clearly said same-gender sex is a sexually immoral sin he does not accept Jude 1:7, 1 Cor 6:9-11, Rev 21:8-10...😊😊😊😊
@@armymanssg508 ...which would be significant if the Judaeo-Christian God wasn’t the embodiment of sin himself, who, amongst other stuff, has committed genocide; operates using actively racist ideals; murdered children; intervened in the sanctity of a married couple’s sexual relationship, preventing them from consummating by raping the virginal female; and he seems to think it’s reasonable to punish a finite amount of sin with an infinite amount of suffering. Like, basically, God is a massive fucktard and a 3 at the most.
Hahaha, have you ever heard of sovereign right? You created nothing in the universe, you don't control a thing in the universe, you don't know long you will live, you don't know when you will die, nor can you stop your death, and yet you have to STUPIDITY to "think" you can judge God, Rom 9;10 But who are you, O man to tell God what he should do. I'm not going to entertain your foolishness cause you are one lost soul and you're in for a hell of a shock when the truth is revealed...😊😊😊😊😊
Hahah, you'd better take a look at a graveyard cause God said "fucktards' like you will die and there's nothing you can do about it, what worse for you is he also said "fucktard" like you won't have eternal life but will be cast into hellfire and destroyed for being "fucktards" Rev 21:8-10...Sovereign right baby, you have none...😊😊😊😊😊
@@tyleannulment2234 The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply. UNBIBLICAL UNBIBLICAL NOT REQUIRED Why are you spiritually blind?
Amazing, just truly amazing. Humour, empathy, wit, and brilliant arguments, this has it all. Also so totally relevant as I am watching this on day 1 of the US getting a far-right president.
In the mean time 1 out of 5 gaies have become TheWalkingDead. 1 out of 4 PoohPirates are ProudPD0files, looking to abuse young boys. Half of all gaie men were abused by a PoohStabberPd0file. I'm curious, exactly how does a pervert find humor in any part of your PD0fileDeathCult?
@@thewriter2634 No I was discussing stereotypes and there are a few that could be applied to heterosexual women and men who are more prone to STDs. But that would be a completely different different subject to what I was referencing.
@@elliesteele2027 not really. I've used this argument to make people understand. I'm in a rural,deeply religious area. There are a lot of people who are homophobic by tradition, they mimic their parents with out any idea why. And once you make them realize there's nothing morally wrong with homosexuality they can change their mind.
What is truly sad is that there are people in the comments who didn’t listen to a single word he said. They came here to bash on people who just want to be free to love, just because they don’t like the way we love. And if one of y’all replies to me with a bs religious argument, just know that I feel really sorry for you. You are in a belief system in which you will never allow yourself to question your holy book or your preacher (or to even use reasoning), because that would be a sin. I would like to say that when I realized that I am gay, I was disgusted and cried and prayed every night to become straight. Of course, it didn’t work, because a loving god would not create me to be this way just to condemn me for loving someone. I hope that you religious anti-gay people can find love and understanding in your hearts.
I'm gay and my oldest brother is gay. Our dad allowed our mother to browbeat, mock, mistreat, and eventually... throw us both out as soon as possible. About 3 years before he died, my dad told my mother one night that he himself...was bisexual, and he had cheated on her left, right, and sideways for all of those years. It's been 5 years now since his passing, and I am still puzzled...and ANGRY. I'm angry that my dad allowed his gay sons to be so horrifically mistreated by our mother, knowing full good and well that he, too, had same-sex proclivities. He hooked up with many of my mom's friends, as well as some of their husbands, too. He also picked up hitchhikers and had sex with those guys, too. I actually remember one of those times, because after he picked up a hitchhiker one time, he left my brother and I in a cold car in the parking lot of a bar on a rainy, wet October afternoon while he went inside the bar with this guy and had a drink and oral sex in the restroom of that bar. I know this because he specifically mentioned that incident when he told her about his sexuality. So, yeah...I'm still a bit angry at being ostracized by my mother for being queer, and he stood by and allowed it.
I am so sorry you had that experience of ignorance blinders on loved ones hurts hurts so much hope you are well and are true to who you are. There is nothing wrong with you our social ills are a killer for so may who live their truth. Stay strong, not bitter at anyone most of all stay the beautiful person you are.
This is so awful that you were betrayed by your own family like that. They were supposed to love you unconditionally and support you, yet they not just abandoned you but additionally made life difficult for you. I hope for you that you find true love in the world, the unconditional kind, and I applaud you for not abandoning your sense for true and authentic love by not denying your own sexuality.
Maimunat Lasisi I thank you on the behalf of the community. it’s very brave of you to question your beliefs and admit that you might have been wrong. It’s really difficult for a lot of people to do just that and some become very defensive although they themselves feel like they’re in the wrong. Glad you’ve made some insight :)
In my own life before I came out gay and afterward, I noticed the same dynamic: people who are upset about my sexuality are freaked out over what they THINK I do. Politicians and religious leaders who are freakishly anti-gay OBSESS about gay sex.
@@godallowsuturns679 U need to get a life. U see, when you are a kid and have ill informed, stupid people such as yourself saying the dumbest things to you, you are vulnerable. The thing is that some of us grow up and realize we don't have to take this shit from you anymore. What are you so afraid of? Us corrupting YOUR perfect world? Who died and made you king?
@@godallowsuturns679 You are just wrong, you can have your life your way, but we can't? How is that fair, and the main reason that we HAVE to shove our lives into your face, is because you still hold onto old-fashioned ways of thinking. Just like slavery, and segregation was a thing of the past, so too should homophobia, biases, and ignorance. How we live our lives, (and it's NOT a lifestyle) shouldn't be regulated by people with your type of thinking. Should we be segregated because of they way that we live and love? Thinking like this leads to similar actions that took place in the 1930-1940's by a group of people who thought the same way, and it lead to WWII and the holocaust. We won't let that happen to us again, and to other people simply because of who they love. Also, you have a right to hold on to your beliefs, but when you try to force them on other people, you no longer are a human being, but more like a dictator making sure that your way is the only way. You say that you're "not afraid of you guys multiplying, or your life is in no way being "corrupted" by our choice to be gay", but by your statements and your reactions, you are afraid of something about homosexuals, or homosexuality in general, if you weren't, you wouldn't have commented the way that you have to me and to Jeffery A. Especially your comment to me, "hopefully never", that's more hateful than just not being afraid.
One more thing: please stop comparing yourself to the holocaust or slavery. You are way off topic with that. You are in no way a victim. They suffered horribly for a cause. You chose this mess!
It’s a shame this video hasn’t even cracked a million views. Yes, this is a lot, but this is such a great message and should satisfy all those close minded people. It should be viewed by billions.
*I have a rebuttal to pretty much everything he said. He was invalid on a number of topics and I could give a logical debate as to why there is a problem with the rainbow community.*
Starhunter if you mean just the lgbtq “community” as a whole, yes there are a number of problems in it. But that wasn’t what this talk was about. It was about the arguments against homosexuality, not the lgbtq community. But I’d be happy to learn of others opinions, so feel free to speak your mind.
@@danial804 *I just posted a lengthy comment about my rebuttal to his video but UA-cam automatically took it down. Bastards! I'll find another way of wording it so I can tell you about it.*
@@dragonfiire8148 Yeah, I was confused for a second by the title so I came to the comments. I wasn't going to watch 58 minutes of someone spewing nonsense and cherry-picked biblical quotes in order to tell me that I am wrong for being who I am. There is no scientific basis on which one can say homosexuality is wrong.
@@jazzylev Same over here. Although it is sometimes fun to hear how stupid and ignorant they sound as they make the same arguments over and over. Glad this video isn't another one of those.
@Gary Lee Or maybe "gay guys" decide to "announce" their sexuality to people so they can learn and not be so politicised, and so the newer generations don't have to be in fear of their life for holding their lovers hand. I do love how your arguments, like many's, are based off of ignorance and generalisations but disguise themselves as morality and fairness. They don't want to be "some sort of hero", they just want to be able to live without constantly fighting with themselves and living in self-hatred. Arguments like yours are a large reason as to why the suicide rates, hate crimes, discrimination etc. are so high even in a society where everyone deems themselves as having perfect moral judgement. People with strong opinions but don't have any facts or examples usually are just showing a lack of knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. Have a good day.
Gary Lee “Equality often feels like oppression for those with privilege”. Also your belief that gay people are famous because they’re gay opposed to talented in many cases is hilarious, also are you implying that gay people couldn’t cure cancer where a straight person could? Being openly gay doesn’t mean you’re less than someone who’s straight and if you disagree with that you’re hilarious man. Also “projecting self hate into everyone around you” what? I think what you’re getting at is “overcoming the stereotypes and close minded people and projecting your efforts outwards, to help other people struggling instead of slowly killing your metaphorical self”. What have you got against gay people lmao, idk if you think every gay guy is James Charles or something idk lmaooooo
Steve if you cannot move past the European colonial concepts that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, you will never accept people. Tolerate, sure, but accept is difficult. You could agree to disagree, but you’ll never be able to support someone doing something that you hate. You can ignore it, but you can’t accept it.
Brad It started as a riot. It continued as a protest. I’m sorry it’s not a family friendly, PG, fun day out. It’s about embracing who you are. Of course, people should be mindful there will be children, but at the end of the day it IS a protest. And people need to realise it’s not just a fun day out with glitter and rainbows, and they’re not suitable for children a lot of the time. Also that stuff isn’t absurdly common like people think, that’s on media distribution, but it’s not aimed at children and it won’t ruin society. People thought the internet would ruin society. People thought given women the vote would ruin society. What people should be doing is being less terrified and pessimistic. It’s a celebration of difference, and a protest. You cannot celebrate difference, but limit the difference. If you research pride for 5 minutes that’s blatantly obvious.
@@thatguyben7754 To be blunt: Celebration of men sticking their dicks into each others assholes. You should really visit these pride parades sometime. Disgusting. But transformation will come.
I have resisted looking at this video for months every time it shows up on UA-cam “suggestions” because I thought it would be another evangelical/fundamentalist diatribe. I’ve heard enough of those! But today I thought I’d watch for a few moments so I could add a comment like “what a load of shit” etc. Boy was I surprised even after the first minute had elapsed. Here is a cogent, well presented exposition of the facts. Maybe the title is confusing and many will avoid as did I. Perhaps if it was titled : “is homosexuality morally wrong or not?” Or something like that I would have watched it much earlier than I actually did. THIS PRESENTATION IS FLAWLESS AND VALUABLE for both gay and not-gay people. An ELEVEN out of ten from me!!!!
I think the title is good, it might attract the people who would be against the LGBTQ+ community, and expose them to this. I actually thought the same thing you did when I saw the title.
I think the title is supposed to be like, "gay people are morally wrong!" "ok, but, what's morally wrong with gay people?" Do you know what I mean? It's kinda like asking, ok what's wrong with gay people? Idk if I explained that well, but that's kinda how I interpret it haha I do see how it can be interpreted the way you did, though.
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THANK YOU!! If I had heard this as a boy, I don't think I would have spent my whole life hating myself. The catholic church taught me to hate myself. In third grade of public school, they showed us a Public service announcement about the horror of homosexuality. For my entire childhood, I thought of my self as a monster whose secret must never be told.I am 70 years old now. Your words help me love myself.❤
Hope this helps If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
The Catholic Church taught everyone to hate themselves😁 but yes, gay people that much more.. They also taught straight people to hate gay people.. I too wish desperately they had never had the impact on society's lives that they did.. Its shameful and to say it's in God's name too.. The same God that created us "imperfect" selves.. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm happy that finally you have learned to love and accept yourself Sir.. We're not so different, I'm finally learning that too.. 💚
@@deus_vult8111 correct the catholic church does not teach anyone to hate themselves on the contrary it teaches us to love God and love ourselves our neighbours. Those who are Christians ✝️ and allow homosexually they are hipocrits going against God's Divine Law 🙏. At the end of the day God loves sinners but detest sin, so repent and be respectful and accept Jesus as your Saviour. The devil attacks God with his most vulnerable side which are his children YOU AND I, as God created us as his own image, satan wants to destroy us and Jesus wants our salvation. JESUS THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE.
This guy is a very talented speaker, I have never heard anyone speak so clear. Everyone was engaged. If we could all apply his thinking and balanced arguments in our lives I realty think the world would be a lot better off.
Agree, we can change our view of many things it takes a.will plus love we as humans are able to change when we are educated have facts ad friends helping us to see difference is OK, its good we learn to change by knowing differences.
im bisexual and.ive dealt on and off with internalised homophobia for years, going to a private Christian school growing up. whenever i feel bad about it again i come back to this video.
Just saying "nothing" isn't an argument, though...this video lays out the arguments against the "It's morally wrong" cries. Just saying nothing will put you in a volley of "It's wrong!" "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" I prefer my stances I take to have a little backbone. Even though we know that there IS nothing wrong...you are correct!
If you are ever curious as to why "No" is the correct answer, you should watch this video. Because it's a gay man explaining why homosexuality isn't immoral.
Oh boy, I just watched this lecture. It is such an important one. The way you tackle all those arguments is just so empowering. It is funny on the other day this sentence popped to my head, and I was thinking to use it on a social media post:" Don´t hate me. Get to know me." I think that fits nicely with your pursue. I went through some of the comments here and noticed the tears in my eyes... Gay community needs to hear this speech! Thank you John and hugs from Finland, Europe!
52:52 This actually brought tears to my eyes. Whenever I meet a queer kid, I feel such a strong sense of responsibility over them. No matter who they are, just knowing this kid is gay like me makes me fee like I am in some way a big brother. I'm sure when I'm a bit older I'll feel more like a father to them. I want to do everything I possibly can to protect gay kids, and this talk in some way helps me know why. Aside from how minorities are stuck together by their minority status, gay people as a group generally do not get to have their own kids. Our people can be born anywhere to anyone.
also the excuse "i'm not homophobic, i have gay friends" is like saying "i'm not dumb, i have smart friends." sure, it may play a part in the expression of that, and how much they aid you and help you to become more accepting/smarter, if you're dumb, you're dumb. it doesn't matter if you have smart friends or not.
Well it’s different because the definition of homophobic would hold as a contention the exclusion of gay friends. It’s a valid defense not a good one because I mean there can be gay homophobes but yea.
@miri Homophobia isn’t always a direct hatred or exclusion of gay people. It’s a lot more subtle when you’re in a group of friends. It’s like, when a friend of yours who seems cool with you being gay will then make gay jokes and say “that’s so gay” when they really mean “that sucks”, or follow the idea of “hate the sin, not the sinner”. While they don’t really hate you as a person, they still believe that the way you are is inherently wrong. Do you know how many friends’ would introduce me as their “trans friend”, or would joke around by using the wrong name and pronouns, not realizing that it hurt and I _wasn’t_ laughing? I legit had a friend come up to me and say that her parents didn’t usually like trans people, but they were fine with me because I “didn’t talk about all the time”. And boy, that girl had moments all to herself, like asking why I needed to transition if I was just gonna be gay.
My mother is transphobic and yet her sister's husband is fully transitioned. She went to their wedding. And then came home and joked about how she didn't know who to expect to be wearing the dress and how he's really just a 'gay woman' who likes pants instead of skirts. She's friendly with him and often uses him as a reason why she's 'not' transphobic. Fucked upworld, man.
@BrightNeonBrilliancy Honestly, my mom would do the same thing. She _has_ said similar things, just maybe less... brash about it. Her whole thing was telling me that I didn’t look like a boy, I looked “like a butch”, so I should give up (even though I pass lol, as long as I say I’m 13 and not my actual age). She dropped that a while ago though, once it became apparent that I wasn’t just going to drop it. Also it hurt my feelings. Like a lot. The funny thing about her telling me that I “looked butch” and to “stop acting so butch”, is that one her friends _is a lesbian_ . As in, they’ve been friends since school. She got married this year, and we literally drive cross-country to go to the wedding (and then skipped bc my mom’s an asshole).
I don't have any gay friends .I just haven't meet any. And then I found out there is a certain procentage in every population that it is gay.And I did the math, ant it shows I probably have a friend or two who is gay, but he/she is hidding that . And that just ...sad ...imagine the pain of living a duble life , not really alow yourself to be who you are , even among friends...That's a FRIEND of mine, someone I care about, someone I want to be happy.. That's why gay ppl should be open about it.Because maybe that friend that I do not know that is gay would gather some courage to be who he is, if he sees other doing it , and improve her/his life in this way.
Rolie Ester worthless ? that's a bit harsh. have you studied religion to know on what grounds they hold their views about homosexuality & morals ? of have you just jumped onto the senseless name calling bandwagon , without understanding. And just believe the common progay stance that this unlearned man John Corvino claims to know about the bible?
I have studied religions in the best Universities to tell you well enough "YOU" and most religious "FREAKS" don't know or have the slightest clue what "YOU" think you know. You read the bible in "Literal" form making "you" and people like you "very" dangerous religious/christian persons. The original scripts were not written in literal form which is why only the scribes, Rabbi's or priests read them. They were not made to the public because they were difficult to understand. They were written in poetic form. The bible was a very dangerous book then as it is even more dangerous today. Even more so today. In ancient times god was so subdivided by over 400 gods. Today-LMAO Christianity and other religions (non-Christians) have subdivided god even more. God is like an oak tree only with "NO" true name. Calling god -god is like calling a dog...... a dog. There are only 3 types of "Christians" in this world we live in today. 1) the "TRUE" Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. They "actually" live out their lives Christ like. And you don't need a bible to do that. Simple common sense instead of "STUPIDITY, GREED AND HATE"! In the bible when Christ spoke his last words on the cross or tree.. so many different stories: they were "LOVE EACH OTHER THE WAY I HAVE LOVED YOU"! There were "NO"exceptions or buts in the statement. Except for the KJV of the bible. Which is not even a bible It's a book of rules written by King James I and edited by Sir Francis Bacon. So technically Sir Francis Bacon wrote the KJV and also wrote and corrected Shakespeare's plays. King James, lousy man, lousy ruler like some of our US presidents who had to go to war who simply wanted nothing more than to leave a legacy behind. They left nothing more than chaos and corruption. Though I have to say the corruption began with the Egyptians which encouraged all religions thereafter. Every religion beginning with what you know "the Jewish Religion" was nothing more than a copy cat religion from the Egyptians. What people don't know is the Egyptians did not set religion itself. They also were a copy cat religion. Religion holds no grounds on homosexuality, morals, (especially morals) so don't go there with me. That indeed was a stupid remark. Man wrote the bible and it was most certainly "NOT" inspired by god. When you pick up your bible, also have a history book next to you and reference them against each other. You don't actually need a history book if you live say in America. Most people here have what are called "COMPUTERS" The Church (people and religion) have spilled more blood in the history of man kind than any other man known to man... In just a very short period of time. So the three types of Christians. 1) the TRUE Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. I've already explained that above. 2) Fundamentalists groups - (Terrorist groups) - Christians/Christianity and other forms of religious groups. Non the less, TERORISTS! They will kill at will, by the use of guns, or other forms of weaponry, burn you alive, drown you, drag you behind a truck for a few miles till your dead, etc. You don't need someone/terrorist from some other country to do your dirty work, it's all done by the hands of.. yes, people who claim to be Christians or very close to god. and 3) Conservative Christians/Christianity- and other form of Christian groups - also known as Christian TERRORISM. The conservative Christian will kill you very, very slowly. Not by they're own hands. They are a bit smarter. They are rarely caught or persecuted. They shame others (the one's they also do not care for, you know "HATE")into suicide. So both Christian and religious folk that fall under #'s2 and 3 both end up in the fiery pit they call or refer to as "HELL". Christians/Religious- all Terrorists/Cults. ( Christians preach that only GOD has the power to give life and to take it. Then tell me something smart ass.... What the fuck are Christians doing killing so fucking much? There are the 7 deadly sins according to the bible. Sins so dark that darken the soul there is no forgiveness for. Under the subdivision of one of those sins is: the killing/stripping/stealing of another person's soul that belongs to god. You fuckers do it all the time, everyday. After killing someone or shaming them into suicide, you may hide for a few days, then right back to your church buildings yelling, screaming your halleluiah's until you falsely fall into seizures on the floor. What fucking hypocrites. Worshiping and preying like the thieves you are. When someone takes a life by shaming them into suicide that is also a grave sin. god has no mercy on Christians or religious terrorist groups # 2-3. They are nothing more than Satan's hive workers. god has more mercy on the bullied and persecuted than the BULLY and the PERSECUTER!!!!!!! So, what type of Christian are you? Since you claim to know sooooooooooooooo much about religion and your bible?
I stumbled across this most unbiased, informative presentation I’ve ever seen and heard on the subject of morality and Homosexuality. Simply brilliant!
Starhunter Ok. Are you insinuating that you believe homosexuality is immoral from the oh-so-moral high ground of which is the likes of your profile picture?
Starhunter if you don't know, you have no business arguing the morality of any topic. At least not without first writing a paper on morality in general than rethinking your stance on everything.
he was awesome, he was unbiased and faced the facts and what is actually true in society! He didn't pick sides, but simply analyze points against homosexuality with valid arguments!
My son grew up in a conservative church from age of 2 to teen years !! He is gay !! Proving that being gay is NOT a choice but, the way you feel !!! I am SOO proud of him !! I don't care who he marries?? Just as long as he is happy !!! he is a GREAT kid !!! I am blessed !!! Sinners have no right to name sinners when they are sinners themselves !!! ❤🧡💙💚🖤 🏳🌈
Parents are supposed to be that place where a child finds refuge, understanding, and love. So many LGBTQ kids don't get that and have no choice but to feel fear of rejection from the ones that are supposed to protect them the most. Thank you for being what a parent should be!!
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
The Writer idk what science you thinks disproves this 🥴 literally so many scientific studies that prove the validity of homosexuality 😳 so please explain what about science is anti gay
“If everyone was gay there would be no humanity” “if everyone was a POTATO there would be no humanity. But everyone is not a potato just as everyone is not gay, young grasshopper” -Lilly Singh
*The reason people say that is because of the objective standard for sex existing and what nature had intended for us. If nature intended for us to be gay, we should be able to survive on it but we can't. Therefore we can assess that being gay isn't nature's intended plan.*
Truth If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
Your gay life is more important to you than your relationship with God. The Bible says Lying, gossiping, sex outside of marriage, stealing, pride, hatred, jealousy, greed etc are sins. the list is long. Let's say my sin is pride. If I tell God I'm willing to put my relationship with him above my pride. You are defending your sin. Go for it. You really don't need to do these lectures to justify your sin. Keep it up. Your relationship with God and willingness to do HIS will bring joy & love & peace. Some dude will never give you that.
Its ALSO very reasonable to think his Mother was also a gay guy, and his father was a straight or gay guy, and they had anal sex (Sodomy) together and conceived him; both males contributing the Y chromosome, so there were no XX (female) chromosomes to form the fertilized egg, and that's why he was born a Male (Y chromosome) and not a girl (XX chromosome). Very Reasonable! Thank you John!
As a gay older man & got married to a woman when young because of society treated gays 50 years ago! Made a lot of problems for me & my family! Came out at age 46 had to start over to be true to myself! This video is awesome & I appreciate you doing this to help others not make the same mistakes I made!❤
Just incredible! I'm so lucky with my family and friends to be so understanding. Initially, my parents couldn't handle my sexuality. I found myself in an abusive relationship & that coloured their opinions even more. When that relationship finished they were so pleased for my safety Y freedom - then I met someone else and fell in love with him. When they realised how much in love we are their attitudes changed almost over night. My family adore my David. My Brother has another brother, my Mum loves him like another son, & my father loved him like nobody else. When Dad passed away, we took his ashes to scatter where he loved bird watching as a boy. On the way back down to where we were going to have lunch in a pub, Mum bumped into a group of her friends she hadn't seen for a while. They exchanged pleasantries then my Mum introduced us, my brother, then myself & then Dave. "This is Mark's partner, my other son". I will never forget that moment. Dave's family are the same with me. I don't think I could ever imagine how much love we're surrounded by! I just hope that younger people of our LGBTQ family are finding life easier than we did & their families are just as supportive of them as ours is.
You are so lucky... I live in the shadows because my family is not as supportive.. and the crazy thing is I live alone... so I shouldn't care right? But somehow I feel I could never bring a partner to a family get together
something everyone likes to ignore is no one chooses to be lgbt+ you can choose to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist, but that doesn't make it go away. being lgbt+ is something built into you. the want for love, and sometimes, sex is innate, you cannot chose weather you do have or don't have that part built into your brain, you can choose to ignore it or suppress it, but not everyone wants to suppress something as wonderful as love, so mind your own business.
@@vldvvalentin it kinda is, everything we are is in our brains, like, science says that our brain waves actually show what gender we are, its pretty crazy.
@@imkuelllgremlin yeah, sure, gayness is determined by brain waves and genes, and NOT by society and mass media talking about gays. Well, yes, but actually, no. Otherwise, gayness would be a mass trend all over the entire world instead of mainly in US and EU. Just as with depression, fetish, etc, gayness is a matter of human psychology. I'm not straight against gays, don't get me wrong, I just hate when people starting to explain by "our nature", or, which is even funnier, by God's will or smth. Just as with being rapist or psycho, gaynes is rooted in our surroundings. Just deal with it already and be fine.
@@vldvvalentin As a lesbian, I found out that homosexuality exists at the age of 13 xD. I don't really think that my surroundings have something to do with my homosexuality.
@@vldvvalentin there are gay people all around the world you idiot. Also arguing gayness is due to surroundings inherently implies heterosexuality is also due to surroundings. Inherently saying that your hetero sexuality is due to societal factors and not that you're only attracted to women. Lastly behavioral genetic studies have identified potential genetic and non-genetic contributors to psychopathy. Rapist also isn't a psychological "trait" for lack of a better word.
Absolutely. It’s impossible. But, unfortunately that doesn’t seem to stop religious bigots from trying. And, because, for them, it’s dressed up as a faith issue, a “fear of a holy god” issue, they’re really not interested in the truth, or reasoning or even in morality in the genuine sense. It’s all about proving their kosher and authentic posture in relation to the doctrines and pronouncements of their religion. It’s a group identity game for them. This is why they become so I incensed when we present logical and moral arguments against them, because we are threatening their whole identity and worldview. To admit they’re wrong on this would feel like a kind of death. They defend their delusions with an irrational ferocity.
Absolutely LOVE this talk. I am heterosexual but have never been able to understand why people and religion has an issue with homosexuality. Thank you for the clarity you gave here
Thankyou, I'm a gay man and all I want to say is it's not a choice it's who we are it's how we are. I never asked to be gay but have lived with the remarks the sneering and bigotry......I don't flout my sexuality I just try live my life the best I can...
Religions have an issue about it because to them the bible says so, if you truly understand the bible it was written long after Jesus was walking the earth, it has been altered by human hand, it has been added to and passages removed, and the word homosexual was added to the bible in the 60's by a religion. Religion is man made, built on putting fear into people that a man in the sky is going to do something awful if you don't tow the line, in fact the truth is God is an energy/force of love which is present in all nature, (wild flowers, streams, rivers, trees, insects etc), the whole world and universe is made up of that force/energy. Religions/churches also make you believe Jesus had white skin with long blond hair, nothing could be further from the truth.
As a Catholic, it is because we believe God created man and women to become one flesh in marriage. God gave us our sexuality, God also condemned homosexuality. Since God gave us our sexuality and God condemned homosexuality, we try not to use our sexuality against God’s will. I don’t believe Christians are truly homophobic but simply stand up for Christian morality and family values.
@@ryan20652 so where does the values at the very core of Catholicism stand with the prevalent proven homosexual child abuse by individuals that should be best placed to instill the the Catholic values. No matter what religion dictates to its followers being gay is NOT A CHOICE! So therefore one must ask is there something wrong with the genetics of the human species as homosexuality has been around forever, to coin a phrase. after all sex in reality is just about survival of the species. So yet again RELIGION, which is responsible for more trouble, deaths and hatred in the world is involved, Perhaps religions should focus on those issues, I mean you only have to look what's going on in the middle east...ALL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION! People are entitled to their beliefs if it provides them with what the need to be a fulfilled human being. I leave you with last thought....as I stated earlier, being gay is NOT A CHOICE, I certainly didn't chooses to be. So as a Catholic with the beliefs you hold and follow....what would you do if you were Gay, hide it and live a lie because youd be afraid to be yourself,denounce your religion, commit suicide, WHAT?
@@ryan20652the complete void of moral and values that so many religious people have, makes your argument somewhat ludicrous.. it's like when a religious person do the things they complain, condemn and judge others for, they're even unfit candidates, but they still preach about stuff, and what others should or shouldn't do.. some say that judgement is God's work.. but if that was what they believed, why do they even think that they should (or be worthy to) take that role? the double standard adds even more, when they say you should love everyone and that it's wrong to pass judgement.. (i don't know if they don't realise it, or failing to recognise it, or if it's a brain worm of sort, that causes some "holier than" type of superiority complex.. but I know that I don't understand it..) even if that was your beliefs, what makes that into what's right or wrong? or that that even should be? when there's so much hypocrisy and double standards, that they even can trip themselves by it, it's mindboggling that they even think, that they are the ones that should be talking about moral and values, or what should be considered right and wrong .. and if the case actually was that they followed some godly teachings, they wouldn't pick and choose what that was.. but if you didn't understand what he said or talked about, well, you can always watch it again..
I have a gay friend who was born and spent his first 20 years of life in Pakistan. He detailed how he felt like he was the only person who was abnormal in the entire world. He told me how he remembers having a crush on a male friend since 3rd grade. And he also tells me encountering multiple other people who were probably gay or queer based on their mannerisms and the things they talked about (like talking about liking celebrities of the same gender) He was friends with many such people. However, he had never even heard of the term "gay" or "homosexual" until he was in 9th grade.
Looking through youtube this afternoon, I came across this video by chance and decided to listen. Never heard of this guy (I'm in the UK so perhaps understandable) but he said so much of what I've been thinking for years, although much better and more eloquent. I am not gay/lesbian, or anything like that, but I have worked with gay people and known plenty of gay people in the past. One woman I know has 4 daughters and 2 of them are gay, having children with their respective female partners - probably IVF but I've not asked, it's none of my business. My next door neighbour in 1971/72 was openly gay, at a guess in his 50s. My then husband (we were 19) often popped round to his house for a chat and he once remarked what a good looking guy my husband was. I hope John Corvino is still giving his lectures and in the same way as he does here, showing the absurdity of how some people think and contradict themselves.
I'm grateful this video was in my recommended, and that doesn't happen often. Even my eyes were opened and I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community who is in a relationship myself. It's a very insightful speech that explores almost all arguments and perspectives against homosexuality. He has a great way of presenting this to audiences logically and reasonably. More people need to hear his words and see this video, it speaks volumes.
@@brad8448 it's literally science! Stop being ignorant and update your religion to the 21st century. Humans and society evolve, we're not stuck in the dark ages anymore.
@@fardareismai4495 Science doesn't determine morality God does. Read his holy word. Study History. Rome fell, Greece fell, they collapsed because their morals collapsed. Homosexuality and transgenderism are just signs that this society is declining. But there is Hope in Christ who will prevail on this Earth. Trust him.
@@brad8448 knowledge, compassion and common sense determine morality. I do not accept a reformer of the Jewish religion as my divine saviour, he was not. This kind of mentality discourages critical thought and personal freedom, making people into sheep without a mind of their own. There's nothing wrong with religion, but as soon as you start vilifying other people's identities, preferences and way of loving, I lose all respect for you and the way you use religion. People outside of the cisheteronormative standard just means that our laws are becoming more just, our respect for individuals is growing and we are able to cope with diversity better, which is vital to society. So no, I won't trust a glorified preacher, sorry.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have just succinctly articulated in a wonderfully clear way many of the arguments. I’ve always tried to put forward. It was such a pleasure to listen to your lecture. Yes the humour was entertaining. The theory was edifying and the humanity behind it was uplifting
You are so right. The succinctly articulated theory of gift-giving is very edifying for the bug-chasers and a pleasure for all of humanity omg!! Thank you, thank you, thank you. The buhm-warts are so itchy and scratching them must feel wonderfully uplifting and entertaining. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
How did I just find this. Absolutely beautiful. Not only did he systematically destroy every "argument" against how/why LGBT people are mistreated (I love his style of breaking apart words that are constantly thrown around but do we really even know what we mean or are saying?), and he provided a definition of "morality" that is truly wonderful -- Judge people -- but don't judge them for WHO they love, but WHETHER they love. I need to remember everything he said. *It's also quite comical to read comments from people who very obviously did not watch the video or take the time to evaluate anything he said, but just stick with their old, worn out fear of people who are a little different from them or that they don't understand.
God Allows UTurns to say we are anything but mistreated is pure ignorance. Clearly you haven’t heard that many countries in the world still have the death penalty for homosexuality. Or prison for life. Clearly you didn’t know that in over half of the 50 states in the U.S. gay people can be fired from their jobs, and the only reason needed would be because they are gay. A statistical study showed that around 1/3 of adults are mildly or very uncomfortable when seeing two men or two women out in public simply holding hands. There are still hate crimes against homosexuals expressing their affecting for each other in public. People call us freaks, they call us faggots, they tell us that we’re going to hell. They tell us no one will love us. That we won’t have a normal life. Kids are beaten for their sexual orientation. People don’t want transgender people to use the gender they identify with because people associate the lgbtq community with pedophilia (which is completely not true btw). Just because we are able to be who we are in some countries doesn’t mean we aren’t discriminated against because of that. Some doctors have refused to work on transgender patients. It’s harder for us to get insurance. There’s only one country in all of Asia that allows same sex marriage and that’s Taiwan. People are against children learning that gay people exist, even when it’s taught in very appropriate ways. As if me holding the hand of my partner is some inappropriate thing. Religious leaders have blamed gay people for Covid-19. Still think we’re anything but mistreated? I can give you more examples if you’re not convinced. If you only take away one thing from what I’ve just said then take away this: we are far from equality, and that’s what we will continue to fight for. Just because it’s legal for us to be ourselves doesn’t mean it’s accepted.
God Allows UTurns ok so you’re twisting what I said now to make me seem unreasonable. I don’t want to play that game with you. It won’t get anyone anywhere. Any type of protest can lead to anyone being killed, yes. But what I was talking about wasn’t protestors. I was talking about homosexuality in general in countries that have it where you can be put to death for it. Also I’m not sure what you mean by me promoting divisiveness. The definition of divisive is “tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.” I understand some people disagree with equal rights which can cause conflict, but how is me acknowledging mistreatment causing that or even hostility? Ah yes, the agenda. You’ve got no idea what it even is I bet lol. You want to know what this ‘agenda’ you speak of is? Equal f*cking rights. How is that too much to ask for? How is that promoting hostility? It’s promoting tolerance. The opposite of what you described. I do agree that most of the countries do have other issues greater than just people being gay. But just because those countries have other problems doesn’t lessen the issue of people being murdered for their sexual orientation. Ok, so what I’m gathering from what you said at the end there is that you think sexual orientation is a choice. You think I want to be gay? False. I would love to be straight. I would love to be ‘normal.’ I would love to not have to deal with discrimination. I would love to have people accept me for me. I would love to not have to come out. So why don’t I just stay in the closet and marry a girl? Because I wouldn’t be able to love her. Because I wouldn’t be living my life to the fullest. Because I wouldn’t be able to be happy with a girl. Because I don’t want to deal with the weight of a huge lie on my chest all my life. I guess gay people can’t win with god. Lying is a sin. But so is being gay according to a book that has been mistranslated and changed many times. But if I suppress those feelings then I’d be lying to myself and everyone I know. So in the end, I’ll chose to be myself with the time I have on earth. And you’re right. Who I am is between me and god. Not you. Not anyone else. That’s why you should let me and anyone in the lgbtq community live their lives. Who they love doesn’t affect you in any way. If you think they’re going to hell, it isn’t your job to judge them. And yet so many people do. So many people try and discriminate against us. And that’s still legal in today’s world. And that is the issue. I don’t want to be gay. I didn’t chose to be gay. I didn’t ask for this. Yet here I am. I don’t want you to read this just to respond. I want you to read this to understand. Because discrimination is not ok. Hating someone for something they can’t control is not ok. Judging people you haven’t even met is not ok. Killing someone for who they love is not ok. And I’m not judging you here either. I hold nothing against you, except this one opinion you have.
David Explorer you don’t have to live a lie and you shouldn’t have to sacrifice loving someone. God made it very simple: men and women, one for the other. You are complicating your own life by choosing to go with your feelings. You know you are sinning against God so I don’t have to convince you of anything. You already made your choice. God is so much more than you give Him credit for and it’s a shame you just follow the gay herd because it’s easier to go with your feelings, than it is to fight against them. If you think you can’t change, then you are underestimating the power of God. If you were meant to be gay, God would have provided a way for you to have intercourse without having to use a part of your body that is meant to excrete waste and He would’ve also provided a way for you to procreate. So, if you want to be gay is up to you. What I won’t allow you to do is to change the children’s school system by implementing new genders, pronouns and behavior. I don’t care how much support you get from Hollywood and the rest of society, at the core, you know you are not going about things the way you should. I don’t believe for a second you are hated or discriminated by the majority. Gay people are very common, treated well and live fine in my neighborhood. I don’t agree with their lifestyle but I don’t harass them either, however I will make my opinion known in any forum I choose to. You don’t have to like my opinion. Respect mine and I respect yours.
David Explorer You simply want to break natural law placed by whoever you believe in. You’re trying to play God. Everyone in history who has done so has died a horrible death as well. Plus the Bible was written thousands of years ago. Specifically the Old Testament. Christianity and Catholicism was also mostly based in more advanced cultures as well. Really says something doesn’t it. The only other advanced cultures of the renaissance was the Japanese and Chinese and they believed in Buddhism. That wasn’t even religion it was philosophy.
Great lecture! I’m a heterosexual woman who had gay friends stand up for her when straight ones didn’t. I’m also a pastor who held services that were welcoming to ALL people at a place named after Stonewall. I preached the love of Christ for all people. Even before I became a pastor I couldn’t understand why people of the LGBTQ community were hated when they didn’t hurt anyone by whom they loved.
@@WJAlexander-o6tFirst of all, that story is most definitely not historical. Secondly, the actual sin was a lack of welcome, which, ironically is the exact sin that homophobic people engage in when they treat people in the LGBTQ community like second class citizens. Like this guy said, how odd-how sad- that so much hate is directed at people just because of the people they love.
@@kjmav10135 Oh NOW I get where U R coming from! HAhaha I should've known. Its all about your sex life, which I have NO interest in. Please keep it to yourself. Maybe you should think about other things. Stop annoying people, get out of people's faces. Stop propagandizing. THAT is what's causing people to hate you: ACTIVISM. Leave the kids alone. Heteros have always been mum on sex to young children, (pervs excepted) My advise to you: Be MUM.
As a 51 year old gay orphan, your words about our children not being born unto us, gave me a very different look at life in general. I'm at a point in my life, where I'm still questioning how and where I fit in, and what, if anything, am I going to leave behind? This has certainly given me a different focus. And, for that, I'm overwhelmingly grateful.
The issue of where you fit in is a real one. The only practical answer to that is, you fit in anywhere you are accepted. Go where you are treated best. As far as what you will leave behind, I wouldn't worry about it. Most people don't leave anything behind. Even if you have children, your children are likely to ignore whatever it is you want them to do or believe and then go on to do or believe whatever they want anyway. Probably most of your ancestors would be shocked by your lifestyle but the main question there is, do you really care about that? You have rejected their values, as you should! So what did they really "leave behind"?
Very clever title of your video. It turned out to be a very different message then what I expected. I came late to an appointment because I just wanted to finish watching your message. Your speech was one I will save in my favorites. I have forwarded it to quite a few people, and I’m sure you don’t mind I’ve used many parts of it in discussions. I want to congratulate you on your work. Thank you ! Greets from Brussels,Belgium❤❤❤
After I read the comments I realised nobody actually watch the video head to toe, Guys we need to face a fact that is there are people who just do not want to be convinced, they know if they watch the video, they ill be convinced and they would stop feeling good about themselves bashing gays, these are the people we are talking to, so save your time and let them fade away with their petty understanding and insecurities about themselves..
I lived a homosexual life for 40 years & always felt it was unnatural but it sure did feel good at times, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons & it wasn't until a few years ago that God touched my heart & soul & literally showed me the truth! I don't bash gay people as I know many, it's just not for me anymore & that desire for other woman has vanished! Also, I grew up w/ NO religion whatsoever!
@@savedorslaved4371 So you are bisexual and a religion guilted you into suppressing part of yourself. Ok?... And wth is "living a homosexual life" anyhow? How is it a lifestyle?
Sexual orientation is not a moral issue, it’s a personal issue and is frankly no one’s business to comment on. The question I would ask is why would someone else’s sexual orientation threaten anyone? Live and let live people, life is too short.
This talk is probably one of the best arguments I've ever seen on gay people. Kudos to John Corvino for the time he spent delivering such a great presentation.
DericKE In what sense did you find it was great? I am suspicious when an audience such as this finds some of the speaker's quips hilarious and they laugh. Is it because he is telling them what they want to hear? Is it because it feels nice to be told that this sexual orientation is better than that one? Thus giving people a false sense of their own identity. It is all very well to go on about a sexual orientation being abhorrent but that is a superficial approach. As human being we all have to deal with our sexual urges and our orientation is irrelevant. Some might conclude that homosexual orientation is a recipe for misery while a heterosexual one is a recipe for happiness, fulfillment, etc. Yet, one could so easily turn that approach on its head. Mature people with no agenda would understand this. And maybe it is they who should be up their on the podium, saying what they have to say and without making people laugh every few minutes. This is about serious stuff and not damning a minority so that one feels better.
He sounded like a pastor on our street who said a lot of what he mentioned. He probably just watched this video. He was such a great guy. Unfortunately, he is now on some video having sex with a teenage boy and the boy received cash by the end of the video.
@@hamrunizspar1 Okay, few things. 1, you said their when you meant there. 2, heterosexual people are not a minority. 3, you can make a good point whilst simultaneously being funny, it's called charisma. Didn't they teach you how to spell, how to have and use common sense and how to be a human being at your Sunday school?
Aaron Watson. Oh dear! I wrote their when I meant there. John Corvino's style is all over the place and as such, ineffectual. I find him difficult to follow and explains why you think that I referred to heterosexuals as a minority(heterosexuals as a minority would be straights who infiltrate a gay disco to see men dancing together cheek to cheek. Or a gay bath-house to see something else). Bar these two instances, of course heteros are a majority. And finally, you call Mr. Corvino's delivery charismatic?! Blow me! And me being a human being at Sunday School?! What are you on about?
Linda de Chamonix You’ve written twenty-one lines in a You Tube comment and I still have no idea if you believe there is a way to be both gay and moral.
It's crazy to me to realize I came to nearly every single one of the same arguments and bits of logic all on my own, and yet this man has been giving lectures with this logic since before I was born. Thank you. Thank you so much, mister John.
My prayers are that everyone in the worlds would listen to this!! Wish that people preached this in my youth! So true and time HAS changed and by the grace of God will continue 🙏..Thank you Sir ❤
Thank you, Mr. Corvino, for expressing reality in such a kind manner. At 87 years of age, it has taken me more than half a century to realize that I am, indeed, a human being. It has not been easy, but your words and understanding hit home with me -- even your anecdote about your mom wondering why does one need to flaunt one's sexuality in other people's faces. Your words are well taken -- your caring for others is well received. May you and your work continue as long as you are able. And may you and your partner have a long and loving life together.
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
Thank you, John Corvino, for your sequential logic and eloquent exploration of very common, but powerful, questions and misconceptions about a large cohort of people in this world. Homosexuality is neither rare nor modern-but a widespread social behavior and deeply human, utterly natural desire in sentient souls throughout all cultures in history. Your presentation is a reassuring, compelling example of reason navigating emotion, and curiosity embraced by truth-all achieved with grace, integrity and affection.
@@monkeyandtangerines3621 I'm not sure whose god you're talking about, but no god ever said anything about gay people, gender, sex, sexuality or marriage. Only mortal, fallible and usually self-appointed men have been recorded making assertions that promote or abide by homophobia and misogyny. If you're talking about one of the prophets, including Mohammed, or one of the books of the Old Testament, New Testament or Quran, then you are quoting a judgmental blowhard from 1,400 to 4,400 years ago who does not have any divine or moral authority over anyone. More importantly, who in the world do you think YOU are, passing judgment, in a public venue, on the personhood I and millions of others were born into? Gay people exert no more control over innate desires that do heterosexuals. The arrogance of someone like you, I suppose presenting yourself as a Christian, to remark contemptuously on my non-volitional predilections is revolting and uncivil. If there is a god, I am created in that god's image. And since I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family, I will say confidently that your self-appointment here is unChristian, and an unwelcome invasion of a conversation to which you should have gracefully listened and learned from, not dared to correct or lecture into silence with some laughably corrupted version of morality. You have soiled the spirit of a town-hall conversation in a society that quite explicitly separates religion from government, and mandates religious parochial beliefs to refrain from using these platforms of freedom of expression, nurtured only in secular democracies, to evangelize. My father was a very religious Catholic man, and he despised attempts by any Catholic or self-anointed Christian to proselytize in secular fora, especially with an insolence that embarrasses all others of your faith. I'm proud to be his gay, secular, feminist and humanist, pro-choice and pro-labor, son.
WOW!!! John Corvino is brilliant. Full of heart. Full of conviction. And philosophically sound. He built his arguments on rational strong foundations. I’m so thankful I stumbled across his presentation!
Your video title held me away for a few passes, John, as I'm in "the choir" and felt I knew the words to "the song". Just a year ago I had to say "adieu" to my loving partner of 54 years. We met in the seminary, destined to be Catholic missionary priests. Once we fell in love and knew that our vocations had to be outside the church, we felt that living as a couple in a residential neighbourhood would be our way of being the missionaries we hoped to be with a more subtle message of love for all, and an example to the "uninitiated"of love for one of the same sex.
You know, what buggs me the most about the whole deal of homophobes? I am gay myself, so naturally, I thought about about it a lot. I have come a long way of self hate and shame, to finally come to peace with who I am. And, the thing is, I already developed those counter-arguements long before I watched this seminar, just didn't have this knowledge and experience to back them up even further. And I have come to realise, that any SANE person, who would just sit there and actually THINK about this topic rationally and without prejudice, would eventually reach the same conclusion - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. And that saddens me to realise, how rarely people actually try to think critically, and rather go on with their "dogma's" and "scriptures", even though their faulted and vile to the core...
Ya, whenever I find someone now trying to convert me or tell me "oo it's icky" or "don't shove it in my face" Imma just send this video cuz it really sums things up very nicely
Yeah I used to have a big prejudice against it, and now kinda going through a self hate phase, but when you _really_ take the time to think about it, none of the arguments make sense.
It’s unreasonable to expect people to or assume people will naturally formulate opinions exclusively in logical terms. Humans aren’t logical by nature, nor even as the primary mode of evaluating choices, making decisions, or predicting outcomes. Humans first and foremost are societal animals, which means indoctrination is at the core of our development. But, in formulating a judgment, humans primarily use their emotions, followed by their experiences. Logic may never have to feature for a lot of people in a lot of cases. You, yourself, formulated an opinion along these lines by citing an association between anyone who doesn’t agree with your conclusions and the only scenario in which this situation would arise is if someone were psychiatrically unwell. There’s no description of logic there, and the use of capitals and emotive phrasing implies heavily that it was a formulation from emotion. Humans can’t escape this, but we can learn to become better at recognising when we’re doing it, and don’t ascribe to these irrationally-formed beliefs more significance than they’re worth (which is also what happens most of the time).
@@ChristoferKelly Oh, my arguements are most definitely formulated and supported by emotions. Among other things. But if they stand under a rational scrutiny, does their origin really matter?
Here we have John talking for an hour, logically discussing the arguments. What do we have in the comment section? *people using the exact same arguments he discussed in the video, without any regards to it*🤦♀️ Come on, it's just listening comprehension. Can't be that hard. Or people don't watch it after they realise which side he is on 💁♀️
What a great video❤️ I grew up with a dad who was homophobic and I truly believed his words and reasoning. It wasn’t until recently that I’ve been able to heal this aspect of my thinking. This is a great video to suggest for those who are confused about the argument.
To those who are saying "nothing" in response to the title, you are definitely right, but just stating "nothing" doesn't further an argument to anyone who is a skeptic. Just saying "nothing" and leaving it at that gives no food for thought against those who may be homophobic for one reason or another, especially those who are on the fence and don't know what to believe. This video is honestly for those who have their doubts; this video confronts just about every single skepticism against homosexuality and debunks them in a respectful and rational way. The way I see it is this: people like you and I came into this video already with the mentality that there's nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian. However, what i think the purpose of this video is truly for isn't for people like us, but those in the middle/questioning who may be right/wrong in the debate of homosexuality being immoral. There are a lot of arguments out there, and though many who came in thinking being gay is wrong still cling to their religious arguments, outdated social norms, and pseudoscience, it's the handful of people who have some seeds planted in their minds to think a little different that makes this video's presence all the more worth while. In the war of attrition that at this point is homosexual acceptance, victory is won one person at a time
Dr. Corvino, I just recently discovered your videos. I began watching, following and listening to you and as a homosexual and practicing Catholic, I'm really pleased with your messages, how you explain controversial homosexual issues, the Bible and myths, among other things. Thank you for what you do and putting yourself 'out there.' I'm in the process myself of becoming more comfortable with myself and being out in general to my family and friends each and every day. As you have mentioned, 'coming out' is a process and yes, it gets easier each time 'you' do it. Thank you for being you. -Danielle
I'm so sorry that this video is not in my mother language (Slovak). Actually, I think it should be available in every language in this world. The situation now is making people feel miserable and their fear, hopelessness and anger is being abused and politicians turn it towards LGBTQ people and literally blame us for everything, even the war in Ukraine, just to draw their attention away from real problems. Selfishness, lack of love and understanding.
Most people can straight away see through his queer lies and deception. This video will not help any gaie people who genuinely want to live responsible lives.
Naming your son Larry is bad, because if everybody named their son Larry, we wouldn't know who we're talking about.
Lmao
It's more like "being called Larry" because it's not even a choice.
I thought you were talking about the Louis and Harry ship
Did I ever tell you that Mrs. McCave
Had twenty-three sons and she named them all Dave?
666th like and idk what that means 🌚✨
Q: “what’s morally wrong with homosexuality?”
A: “nothing”
I just saved an hour of your time. You’re welcome.
No the straights need to hear this, all of it!.
Thanks!! But This is worth every second 💖
@@maxlang1967 i think by straights you mean homophobes not straight ppl
@Nick Yeah was about to say the same things
Thanks lol
It's fine saying I can't do that because of my religion.
It's not okay to say you can't do this because of my religion.
Isa you can do what you like, but just don't think it's Ok with God, the two cannot be mixed, live your way of life if you have to, no one is forcing God on you, you have a choice.
@@annemac8175 Some people don't believe in a higher being, so your argument is still invalid against them.
@@annemac8175 What you just said was an indirect example of what isa just said. Read your words again. Your message was basically saying "you shouldn't do this because my god said so". that's no different than "you can't do this because of my religion"
Anne the scriptures have been interpreted differently as they went through languages over years. The original text was different. The English language has changed over time. Also, I think you should pay attention to one of the things that John said. Whenever a heterosexual person does something horrible, we don’t think of it as reflecting on all heterosexual people, and it’s not fair to say your bad experiences with one gay person reflects on all of them. If someone’s a pervert, they’re going to be a pervert regardless of their sexual orientation. I don’t agree with straight people trying to make gay people straight just as I don’t approve of gay people trying to make straight people gay. And honestly this just drives home the point that we don’t chose our sexual orientation. If I can’t make you gay, then why is it fair to say you can make me straight? And just note that gay people aren’t attracted to everyone of the same gender. And if anything if they’re flirting with you you should be flattered that you’re attractive. The scriptures tell you to be kind to people, and that’s what’s important to me. I am not trying to be rude to you here either. If you’re offended by what I’m saying, then I apologize for that.
@@danial804 \You need to go to the experts who teach the *grammer* of ancient languages and this is what I have done...you are twisting words in the scripture to suit your *sort of desires and ways* straight people also have the dilema of choosing whether or not to commit adultery or not and that sin is alongside the sodomy sin too, so it's not just your lot it's us too. Now regarding your interpretation of man and boy you need to provide us with the wording which states this , I will be waiting... Here is another information, why would a God make somebody gay then forbid them doing the pervert actions....NO God did not create Adam and Steve and as I say you can live your life as you please but just stay away from trying to say that God's OK with that, God loves everyone no matter but He hates sin and straight people won't be getting away with their sins either. I would give my blood to a gay to save his life, rescue him from a burning house fire, it's natural for us to help people in distress but ask me to go to a gay wedding...NO, the scripture says I would be as bad as the gay person's sin and appear to be supporting it. (ST Paul)
dude is logically and articulately reinforcing what everyone has always known. there is only ONE argument against homosexuality: 'thinking about it makes me feel 'icky''. the only logical response is 'i dont care. you are free to not think about it.'
I'm sure you know what makes people feel sick, but, as I keep pointing out . . Some Hetro men do Exactly the same thing with women
@@rolandhawken6628You are part of the problem
@rolandhawken6628 what are the 'obvious' reasons?
@@emraldeyz1 In order to understand the obvious reasons you need to think about how Homosexuals copulate . I can't go into that on here you might be a child .
@rolandhawken6628 Again, that goes to how you feel about that. It has no bearing on it being right or wrong.
Furthermore 'homosexuality' is not a word that existed in the Bible until modern translations and is a combination of two terms derived from both Greek and Latin and only came into use in the 1800s.
This video is 6years old, how many other people just got it recommended.
Me:)
alpha reaperion Thé Sodomy is the last sign before the complete destruction of a civilization.
@@twnb7733 hahahaha yeah bumsex is the thing that will bring down civilization. Thank you for a good laugh!
The Galvinizer you don’t know that? Why don’t you study some real cases?
The Galvinizer By the way, d9 you have parents, a family when you were young?
When he said our children aren't born unto us it struck a cord in me because LGBTQ people aren't born into a community, we are born alone sometimes into a community hostile to us, It's a scary lonely feeling. My heart goes out to the younger generations struggling to find themselves in a sometimes hostile world. You are not alone.
On the bright side, things are so much better than they were half a century ago. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence, marriage is legal, and the internet and cell phones allow young people to reach out and join on-line communities. We have the Trevor Project, LGBTQ community centers in almost every city, and many programs directed at providing support for LGBTQ youth.
Thank you
Gordon Carscadden you still have ass-backward people like Franklin Graham and his followers, who are clones of the late Jerry Falwell. But the absolute worst of all of them is Pastor Steven Anderson. He preaches homosexuals are rejected by God and beyond redemption and thinks they don’t even think once about turning to him and are horrible people.
@@kevindonohue2912 you forgot 2......trump and pence....aren't they wonderful?
@@jondstewart pastor steven anderson from arizona...needs to come out.....and ...he has been banned from SEVERAL countries for all of his hate speech...just sayin
the only thing that is morally wrong about any sex is when it's not consenting. as for a person's sexuality, why does someone else's sexuality matter to anyone not engaged in that sexuality? humans are irritating in extremis.
*So as long as there is consent it's perfectly fine? So you believe that incest, adultery, pedophilia and prostitution are perfectly fine. Because all of those can involve consenting parties.*
@@thewriter2634 in pedophilia the child cant consent :|
@@Oscze *I'm aware by law they can't. Technically they can; say you have a 16 year old and a 30 year old who do the nasty, that would be statutory rape which is consensual but it's not recognized by law. There is a difference between the two.*
@@thewriter2634 it's not pedophilia if the person is 16yo
@@morganedelobel7354 *In some states it is.*
Wow, as a 72 year old gay man. You actually almost brought me to tears. To hear someone as rational and intelligent as you present the facts with humor and empathy! Every argument is spot on. Everything fits or we make it! Perfect.
Seeing elderly gay people warms my heart every time
@@Andrea-y7f4u its quite dark but imma say it anyways....so you think they die before reaching old age by hiv
@@Andrea-y7f4uMy piano teacher’s verging on 80 and is gay, he’s an awesome guy
Right there with you, bro!
"If everyone was a Roman Catholic Priest, there would be no society either." That is one of the best comeback lines ever.
I'm not so sure this is totally accurate according to the news. True molesting boys won't promote society. Yet all through history priests and popes have gotten nuns and lay women pregnant.
Right?!!!
How so? Catholics expect priests to be celibate. They expect everybody else to procreate. It really doesn't take much to impress you people, does it?
Consider all the things that the priests have been accused of.
@@martincohen8991 Yeah...what about it? They're men....human beings....and as such, are flawed and prone to typical frailties....
Me: Sees the title "I guess I'll hear what he has to say, but there really isn't an argument against homosexuality"
John: Starts talking about how homosexuality is not wrong
Me: He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
I thought the same lol
Yup
I don't even think he was trying to bait like that. He was just asking an honest rhetorical question of his audience. I will admit that I did do the same thing, though.
I clicked on the video fearing the worst, ready to block the channel and ask youtube to NEVER reccomend it again. Thank fucking Dog it wasnt at all what i feared
Same, I'm like "omg I love this man" lol
I was ready to attack, turns out he is in our side.
Me too😂😂
He's a wonderful guy and an amazing professor! I was lucky enough to have him for one of my courses last year and I'm so happy that I got the chance to learn under him!
aren't you muslim ?!?!
@@noteasilyswayed
so ?
i am gay and Muslim as well
@@Ahmed-ti8br you shouldn't be telling me that its haram to expose your sins
People say they want to make the world a better place; this man is actually doing it.
I bet you got poppers for that XXL large dildo of barok obama
Often when people who say they want to make the world a better place its by their standards not by world view of love forgiving of limited thought rather do things my way coming from lack.
It's difficult for humans to change their minds next impossible when they have been taught a way and that way being truth for them now here comes a different way.
Oh my God am l confused troubles them.
Forgiveness, patience love to all.
@@catherinepatton8699 I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
@@Joshiboiy I'm sorry that such an empty concept has so much power over you.
@@Joshiboiy being gay is not a sin honey. u need to live YOUR truth! u may also be bisexual if u had both homo and hetero thoughts.
Tbh quoting the Bible as an actual point is like saying “because I said so” or “because my mommy told me and my mommy is smart”
The difference is that your mom exist and you can prove that
well said.
The bible didnt even really mention homosexuality
@@sunsundks3891
he read the passage IN THE BIBLE that mentioned homosexuality in case you missed it.
saying its not there when its clearly written black on white is a very bad agument.
Uteriel that doesn’t make sense. The word homosexual was coined in 1869 and the last testament was written in 100 AD. There’s no way that the word “homosexual” was mentioned in the Bible. Also the word “homosexual” was mistranslated and actually was meant to say “pedophile”
"And I'm asking you to judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love" golden line right there
Perfect
I heard a child molester say that once.
Absolutely!
It’s not love, it’s lust, and abominable
My partner have been together for over 38. How many straight people can say that?
Im not gay
I'm not straight
I'm bi and I am a human just like you.
Nobody cares about what you are what matters is what you do?
Sometimes ppl on Earth have larger agendas than breeding to maintain mankind...
I'm born in God's image. Somebody going to straighten this mankind Earth destruction thing. That kind of fix WiLL be from outside the box of "societies norm"...
@@astroxturbo815 Idiot there is no god
@@astroxturbo815 nobody wanted to hear that, it's the people like you that make religion look bad, you are literally calling this guy an abomination because of his sexual preference. Just because you believe in religion does not mean everyone else has to, so gtfo.
I hope your bigotry boomerangs back onto you
I wasnt planning on staying for the whole thing because I'm a busy man, but it was simply fabulous and I had to listen to the whole thing. I'm bi and it was a wonderful dismantling of arguments.
I thought the same thing when I saw that the video was an hour long but that one hour passed by just like that.
Or a wonderful confirmation of your own prejudices.
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
@@Joshiboiy I understand where you're coming from. I am also religious. I suppose we can agree to disagree about the nature of God.
@@Khayyam-vg9fwwhat’s your argument bud? Go on.
Anyone watching this video in 2020?
Dennis Cambly Yes, I’m watching February 07, 2020
Dennis Cambly ummm yeah lol
Yes
Yes
Me. :-)
"The more normal it becomes, the more people will be gay"
No, dingus, the numbers don't really change. People just become more open about it the less adversity there is against it.
Ryan Wesemann That’s what he’s saying dingus. The more. Normalized it becomes, the more people will come out, raising the numbers, because a lot of people stay closeted for life.
@@Beachbby757
I'm saying this to the stupidity of people thinking that people can just turn gay or straight, moron.
No one will "turn gay" if homosexuality is normalised. Sure, there may be more openly gay people, but the actual number will stay the same. The only number that really changes is that the number of people living in fear and oppression will decrease and I have no idea why people are opposed to that. (Also soz for using gay as a summary for all LGBT its just easier to write and sounds better lmao.)
Dumbass, that's exactly what I am saying.
No one turns gay or straight. You either are or you are not. You can change who you are with, but you can never change your feelings towards people, and that is the deciding factor.
@@thehowlinggamer5784 I mean they can, I did. But it doesn't happen over night. A straight person can start to have different interest and get curious is what I mean
my straight friend's moral opinion on the matter (when this wasn't even a political topic yet) : "sure, you guys should absolutely have the right to be just as miserable as we are !" - I still feel like he nailed it ! :D ))
Nailed it
Starhunter lol if you’re here you’re definitely gay and in denial
@@Ineptatpiano *I'm open to hearing other people's opinions but I still have my personal point of view.*
@@starhunter9085 what does it matter tho?
@@starhunter9085 Okay, same. I apologize for assuming you were a closeted homosexual. People can be sick HIV positive though, or in good health and still miserable. So I found your comment to be slightly insulting.
Have you ever considered that it's harsh judgement that forced gay people to focus predominately on casual, anonymous sex if they wanted any fleeting human contact at all? Since their legitimate romantic interests were not supported by society or their families? Lol. Maybe it's not that gay people are mostly sad because they're gay, but because they're surrounded by self righteous hypocrites who won't love them but also won't allow them to find love?
I'm not going to assume your personal point of view, so may I ask, what is it regarding homosexuality and yourself?
I needed to see this! As a gay man who didn't come out till he was 42! I was told and raised to believe it is not normal, sin against God, etc.! So I stayed in the closet, even was married twice to women and then divorced! I tried to be what society expected me to be and it almost cost my life! I wouldn't wish my situation on anyone and I hope to spread this video so that some young woman or man will have the confidence or moral courage to be who they are!!! Thank you, thank you John!
You're disgusting
at times like this im glad i realised it too fast
i am a guy born in homophobic country i learned too fast my sexuality and i mean really really fast i wasnt even teenager
however because of my country i was expected to be with a wife
and im really sure i cant make a family if i dont find her attractive sexualy but im happy i learned it fast other wise i would have ended up with multiple women with who i cant really be but for me there is still time ofc
Slavery in their world wasn’t supposed to be like slavery in the USA; but again it is strange that God for some reason would allow certain people to be born an slave for all their lives ( for gentiles... Jews have to be set free in jubilees).
Paul had a thorn in his side that God refused to remove. God said his grace was enough.
Christ says to pick up your cross and follow Him.
I'm sorry for what you went through but Jeffrey Dahmer was who he was and it turned out to be the wrong thing. I am who I am and it is not good. I'm lustful, short tempered, jealous and covetous.
Being proud of anything, especially something as egocentric as "who you are" brings good to no one.
Because of homosexuality one may never know the fulfillment promised by God of being in a fruitful heterosexual relationship and bearing your shortcoming the way Christ wants you to whatever that shortcoming is.
We all walk rocky paths in bare feet but that is not a reason to forsake why you were made and and who you were made for. Jesus loves you and us all. Being a parent has brought that fact so intimately close to me.
I truly wish you the best and hope you find the courage and the heart to walk the righteous path.
Same sex is an abomination. I know you must clearly understand that
Straight man here, this is one of the best videos I've ever watched. Every word spoken is truth.
True statement
don't be so quick to judge just based on 60 minute video, you need to dive deeper into it's philosophy, history and morality. there are a reason why christian morality are foundation for western society.
@@fronttide Enlighten me.
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 tbh this kind of topic is huge, not something can write on youtube comment. this is something need to be talked for hours with cup of coffee :3
but i'll do my best.
this is merely one part of huge topic, in any society that based their morality on abrahamic religion like cristiany, islam, and judism the existence of "family" is very important for society. and this topic of family is also really huge, but i'll give you one example that actually happen in this world today.
if you see in china few decade ago they implament one family one child policy, and today just how much damage this policy done to chinese society is unimaginable. it's make problem start from 500million old age can't sustain themself due lack of children all the way to spoiled mentality of chinese child that effect the quality of their army.
now imagine this, that kind of damage is done merely by 1 policy in 1 country, what would happen if this homosexuality and transgender become the new normal? when this idea not just minority but become part of common sense. and if this idea become the bane of our future generation few hundred years later? who gonna take responsible for such disaster?
this issue if far more complex than just "let those who love each other be, stop being salty"
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 are you sure that homosexuality are from biological aspect and not culture? are you absolutely sure about that?
i am support of motion that no one should ever get persecuted or put in harm way merely because their sexuality. but i am not support of the motion of this new normal that men can go with both man and woman, and vice verse.
Why am i seeing this just now? This has been an empowering moment in my life just listening to this man. The world is a cruel place for gay people and you just made me feel safer through the 57 minutes i used to watch you. This is therapeutic!
I agree with you completely..by the title I thought here we go again..why am I even considering watching this that'll be 58 minutes of my life I can't get back....it was probably the best 58 minutes I've had in 56 years ..and now I think WHY didn't someone give that lecture 60 years ago I feel it will turn the tide for alot of upcoming gays and lesbians though in my 56 years I've seen alot of change taking place for the better
Steve Roberts. I don’t believe in god but you have a good point. I was born a Mormon and I was a Mormon until I was 16. My parents found out I was gay and sent to conversion therapy. Those were the worst years of my life. I was beaten, starved, and spat on. When I turned 18 my parents came and got me from the centre. I told them I was straight just so they wouldn’t send me back. As soon as I got home I packed my bag and ran away. The bible might not condemn homosexuality but it sure as hell don’t condemn hate against our people.
Steve Roberts My hat’s off to you Sir! Well done!!!
Steve Roberts Bless your kind soul. If I may ask, how does one live a life without anxieties after the whole religious harm has been done? I went through the mental issues both external and internal homophobia does to one, and it ended up giving me crippling anxieties especially with regards to my dating life. I want to be free from the anxieties and be happy. Finally I’m in an environment where I am free to be who I am, the rest is my insecurities....How do I shed them off and be proud and happy with who I am?
Steve Roberts Sometimes it seems we know the truth without seeing the power behind it, thank you so much for making me see the power of my truth and how worthy it is. I just took a snapshot of all what you’ve said and will use it just as you have laid them out. I hope to come back in the future to give a testimony of all the goodness I will achieve as a result of this beautiful piece and wisdom you’ve shared with me today. Thank you Steve!!! Thank you!!!❤️🙌🏾
John--I am a gay man in my early 70's and have heard so much hate against us people over the years. I feel it's because they just don't understand what love is really all about...nor do they care to understand. But I can honestly say that your speech is THE BEST ONE I have ever heard about Gay people. You should be very proud because you presented your case and backed it all up with fantastic knowledge. Well done and thanks so much for educating all those who needed to be able to better understand us Gay Folks. You're a HERO in my book.
Well said.
Well said
I have to agree. At 75, my life has been at times awkward, exacerbated by being born Catholic and a survivor of priest abuse. Bt I held to my beliefs, created my own comfort zone, and expanded upon that in college when I found myself in NYC and at the Stonewall rebellion. I find it sometimes sad that we are continually having to stand our ground, especially in the wave of republican political attacks. This lecture should be required curriculum in all high schools. Thank you for being so clear and timeless.
Sorry, you had to experience all the hate...all due to ignorance...grew up Catholic and went to church for 30 years...in my 30s I started to feel as if I were wearing a mask because I couldn't speak about supporting homosexuality...finally, I stopped going to church...my voice has found the loudest possible volume about educating my kids (students 6-19yrs.) and adults (when I do see any)...times are really changing...being open and positive about sex is the only way to protect the vulnerable...how can people make the right choices if they aren't even taught...sex isn't wrong, abuse is...i only go by acceptance and vigilance...
@@jackstrubbe7608 sorry about your pain...blindly protecting priests is one of the reasons I stopped going to church as well...I tell my young students that sex isn't wrong but abuse of the vulnerable is...I'm trying to educate them better than I was (I mostly learned through reading)...though I do tell my young ones to wait until they really understand what they are going to do...I have never been interested in relationships and now am exploring the possibility of being asexual...young people are becoming more knowledgeable though we have to keep working to educate them positively...wish you happiness and peace...
Wow. I stumbled across this discourse earlier today. I wish I had seen it 10 years ago. I have lived in fear of judgement all through my life. Excellent speaker. Excellent presentation.
God gave you a conscience and a moral law written in your heart. If you feel guilt, or bad, there is a reason and it is to get away from this destructive behavior. Many homosexuals live a chaste life, because they went to hell in persisting in their ways. It is the guilt that makes homosexuals parade, give talks, the want to be accepted because everybody knows even he that is wrong. A child knows this. Many homosexuals say they knew from a very young age, their way was not normal. There is no way out of this but chastity.
Ben Shapiro:
*angrily typing*
Haha faxxx😂
What Ben Shapiro would write would certainly be true, whether it was an angry response or not.
Blessed Mother I cant tell if ur joking or not cuz if u r it’s very funny
@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 lol no Ben is just an angry little man that is way too into his imaginary friend
@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 every time i watch him he usually lies and says things that are scientifically not correct but sure
I think ignorance is an aspect too. While I was still closeted I worked at this place. Their was this younger guy that was openly gay. One of our shift leads said "I don't have a problem, but how can he know he's gay, he told me he's never had sex with a woman” I thought that's just ignorant. So I said to him "have you ever had sex with a man" he said "no of course not" so I said "then how do you know your not gay"
Sheldon C this is a great example of double standards surrounding people who aren’t straight/cis and it’s honestly kinda ridiculous at this point. It is nice to see their reaction when you expose their double standard though.
Hahaha, it's the "ignorance" of the word of God that's the problem, you 'think" your limited lifespan "opinion' is above God's law and that is your "problem" you'd better take a look at a graveyard God has always had the "final" word and he clearly said same-gender sex is a sexually immoral sin he does not accept Jude 1:7, 1 Cor 6:9-11, Rev 21:8-10...😊😊😊😊
@@armymanssg508 ...which would be significant if the Judaeo-Christian God wasn’t the embodiment of sin himself, who, amongst other stuff, has committed genocide; operates using actively racist ideals; murdered children; intervened in the sanctity of a married couple’s sexual relationship, preventing them from consummating by raping the virginal female; and he seems to think it’s reasonable to punish a finite amount of sin with an infinite amount of suffering. Like, basically, God is a massive fucktard and a 3 at the most.
Hahaha, have you ever heard of sovereign right? You created nothing in the universe, you don't control a thing in the universe, you don't know long you will live, you don't know when you will die, nor can you stop your death, and yet you have to STUPIDITY to "think" you can judge God, Rom 9;10 But who are you, O man to tell God what he should do.
I'm not going to entertain your foolishness cause you are one lost soul and you're in for a hell of a shock when the truth is revealed...😊😊😊😊😊
Hahah, you'd better take a look at a graveyard cause God said "fucktards' like you will die and there's nothing you can do about it, what worse for you is he also said "fucktard" like you won't have eternal life but will be cast into hellfire and destroyed for being "fucktards" Rev 21:8-10...Sovereign right baby, you have none...😊😊😊😊😊
Idk why this is recommended but dang, I cried 😂 when he retorted "If everyone were a Roman Catholic priest, there'd be no society either." Hahaha
@Steve But by being a Catholic, you go to church and listen to a priest, right? Pagan thing or not, they practice it.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
@@brothertyler Why is celibacy required for priests? Please enlighten me.
@@tyleannulment2234 The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
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Why are you spiritually blind?
@@tyleannulment2234 CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS
Amazing, just truly amazing. Humour, empathy, wit, and brilliant arguments, this has it all. Also so totally relevant as I am watching this on day 1 of the US getting a far-right president.
I love when UA-cam just randomly pushes an 11 year old video onto my suggested page, and it’s one of the best videos I’ve seen on this app.
In the mean time 1 out of 5 gaies have become TheWalkingDead. 1 out of 4 PoohPirates are ProudPD0files, looking to abuse young boys. Half of all gaie men were abused by a PoohStabberPd0file. I'm curious, exactly how does a pervert find humor in any part of your PD0fileDeathCult?
@@Flunky000SHUT UP, rotten scumbag. You have no proof of what you claim.
YAY, Bisexuals!! Messing up people's neat categories!
*You mean causing heterosexual women to be more prone to STDs especially HIV/AIDS.*
@@thewriter2634 No I was discussing stereotypes and there are a few that could be applied to heterosexual women and men who are more prone to STDs. But that would be a completely different different subject to what I was referencing.
@@Stardreamer90 *Alrighty then* 👍
😂
@@thewriter2634 As if straight people don't have STD's and lie about not having them.
I thought he was gonna hate, then he started talking and I realized he's smart
He baited the people who actually needed to hear it... Smart
@@Texas-girll The people who needed to hear it didn't listen. They just continued to be homophobic.
@@elliesteele2027 not really. I've used this argument to make people understand. I'm in a rural,deeply religious area. There are a lot of people who are homophobic by tradition, they mimic their parents with out any idea why. And once you make them realize there's nothing morally wrong with homosexuality they can change their mind.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
Luke not because someone has a different opinion than yours means he/she is spreading hate nor does it mean he/she is dumb.
What is truly sad is that there are people in the comments who didn’t listen to a single word he said. They came here to bash on people who just want to be free to love, just because they don’t like the way we love.
And if one of y’all replies to me with a bs religious argument, just know that I feel really sorry for you. You are in a belief system in which you will never allow yourself to question your holy book or your preacher (or to even use reasoning), because that would be a sin. I would like to say that when I realized that I am gay, I was disgusted and cried and prayed every night to become straight. Of course, it didn’t work, because a loving god would not create me to be this way just to condemn me for loving someone. I hope that you religious anti-gay people can find love and understanding in your hearts.
I'm Weird
I will say I thought this was going another route and instantly disliked... the title looked like it was going to be Christian propaganda.
Ya I'm literally just replying "what the video again" cuz they're dorkesus who can't be bothered to listen for an hour
Thank you for this comment. I can relate alot with what you said. It's comforting to know people like us are not alone.
They’re perhaps just scared the man’s argument will make sense
Love and sex are different things, Weirdo.
I am bisexual and I was kicked out of the house for it. The struggle is real against being accepted for being bisexual.
I'm gay and my oldest brother is gay. Our dad allowed our mother to browbeat, mock, mistreat, and eventually...
throw us both out as soon as possible. About 3 years before he died, my dad told my mother one night that he himself...was bisexual, and he had cheated on her left, right, and sideways for all of those years.
It's been 5 years now since his passing, and I am still puzzled...and ANGRY. I'm angry that my dad allowed his gay sons to be so horrifically mistreated by our mother, knowing full good and well that he, too, had same-sex proclivities. He hooked up with many of my mom's friends, as well as some of their husbands, too. He also picked up hitchhikers and had sex with those guys, too. I actually remember one of those times, because after he picked up a hitchhiker one time, he left my brother and I in a cold car in the parking lot of a bar on a rainy, wet October afternoon while he went inside the bar with this guy and had a drink and oral sex in the restroom of that bar. I know this because he specifically mentioned that incident when he told her about his sexuality. So, yeah...I'm still a bit angry at being ostracized by my mother for being queer, and he stood by and allowed it.
Sorry you had to go through that! I hope you're in a better place.
@@nerdatron817 Thank you, and I'm getting there, slowly; it's a process, of course.
I am so sorry you had that experience of ignorance blinders on loved ones hurts hurts so much hope you are well and are true to who you are.
There is nothing wrong with you our social ills are a killer for so may who live their truth.
Stay strong, not bitter at anyone most of all stay the beautiful person you are.
This is so awful that you were betrayed by your own family like that. They were supposed to love you unconditionally and support you, yet they not just abandoned you but additionally made life difficult for you. I hope for you that you find true love in the world, the unconditional kind, and I applaud you for not abandoning your sense for true and authentic love by not denying your own sexuality.
This is a very educative lecture and eye opening for me as a Muslim.
@Maimunat Lasisi - I’m glad to hear that. Just don’t let religious people cloud your judgement now that you have been educated.
@Iman F
I am born into Muslim Family
I Appreciate what you wrote
Thank You 💕
GOD Bless You 😇
Maimunat Lasisi I thank you on the behalf of the community. it’s very brave of you to question your beliefs and admit that you might have been wrong. It’s really difficult for a lot of people to do just that and some become very defensive although they themselves feel like they’re in the wrong. Glad you’ve made some insight :)
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@Jake M try reading his comment again
In my own life before I came out gay and afterward, I noticed the same dynamic: people who are upset about my sexuality are freaked out over what they THINK I do. Politicians and religious leaders who are freakishly anti-gay OBSESS about gay sex.
AH WAIT I RELATE TO THIS SO MUCH
What does the bible really say on the LGBT community go to my channel and watch my latest show
@@brotheresquire2776 Who cares what the bible says? It can say what it wants, but at the end of the day, it ain’t making any damn sense.
@@dumpydapillow8519 you care
They care more about gay sex than most gay people 💀🤚
I only wish we had this kind of speaker and acceptance when I was growing up. The world is way far from perfect, but it is a little better now.
jeffrey a better? Why? Because the world is conforming more to your lifestyle? Even if half of the world became gay, it does not make it right.
@@godallowsuturns679 U need to get a life. U see, when you are a kid and have ill informed, stupid people such as yourself saying the dumbest things to you, you are vulnerable. The thing is that some of us grow up and realize we don't have to take this shit from you anymore. What are you so afraid of? Us corrupting YOUR perfect world? Who died and made you king?
True Jeffrey, but we still have a LONG way to go before it is commonly accepted like heterosexual people are.
@@godallowsuturns679 You are just wrong, you can have your life your way, but we can't? How is that fair, and the main reason that we HAVE to shove our lives into your face, is because you still hold onto old-fashioned ways of thinking. Just like slavery, and segregation was a thing of the past, so too should homophobia, biases, and ignorance. How we live our lives, (and it's NOT a lifestyle) shouldn't be regulated by people with your type of thinking. Should we be segregated because of they way that we live and love? Thinking like this leads to similar actions that took place in the 1930-1940's by a group of people who thought the same way, and it lead to WWII and the holocaust. We won't let that happen to us again, and to other people simply because of who they love. Also, you have a right to hold on to your beliefs, but when you try to force them on other people, you no longer are a human being, but more like a dictator making sure that your way is the only way. You say that you're "not afraid of you guys multiplying, or your life is in no way being "corrupted" by our choice to be gay", but by your statements and your reactions, you are afraid of something about homosexuals, or homosexuality in general, if you weren't, you wouldn't have commented the way that you have to me and to Jeffery A. Especially your comment to me, "hopefully never", that's more hateful than just not being afraid.
One more thing: please stop comparing yourself to the holocaust or slavery. You are way off topic with that. You are in no way a victim. They suffered horribly for a cause. You chose this mess!
"if everyone were a roman catholic priest, there would be no society either" THAT WAS BADASS
It’s a shame this video hasn’t even cracked a million views. Yes, this is a lot, but this is such a great message and should satisfy all those close minded people. It should be viewed by billions.
David Explorer 😂😂😂😂😂😂, so true.
*I have a rebuttal to pretty much everything he said. He was invalid on a number of topics and I could give a logical debate as to why there is a problem with the rainbow community.*
Starhunter if you mean just the lgbtq “community” as a whole, yes there are a number of problems in it. But that wasn’t what this talk was about. It was about the arguments against homosexuality, not the lgbtq community. But I’d be happy to learn of others opinions, so feel free to speak your mind.
@@danial804 *I don't see the difference between the lgbtq community and homosexuality so you've got me confused there.*
@@danial804 *I just posted a lengthy comment about my rebuttal to his video but UA-cam automatically took it down. Bastards! I'll find another way of wording it so I can tell you about it.*
UA-cam recommendations: “Why Homosexuality Is Morally Wrong”
Me: wtf UA-cam you tryna convert me??
Not "Why it is" but "Why is it?" as in a question. This man is arguing why it isn't.
@@dragonfiire8148 Yeah, I was confused for a second by the title so I came to the comments. I wasn't going to watch 58 minutes of someone spewing nonsense and cherry-picked biblical quotes in order to tell me that I am wrong for being who I am. There is no scientific basis on which one can say homosexuality is wrong.
@@jazzylev Same over here. Although it is sometimes fun to hear how stupid and ignorant they sound as they make the same arguments over and over. Glad this video isn't another one of those.
DragonFiire True, some of the stuff they say is downright hilarious.
@@jazzylev u probably did not watch the video. stop misusing the word ignorant snowflakes
What's Wrong With Homosexuality? Absolutely Nothing! and I'm 73, and I have always accepted everyone.
@Gary Lee Or maybe "gay guys" decide to "announce" their sexuality to people so they can learn and not be so politicised, and so the newer generations don't have to be in fear of their life for holding their lovers hand. I do love how your arguments, like many's, are based off of ignorance and generalisations but disguise themselves as morality and fairness. They don't want to be "some sort of hero", they just want to be able to live without constantly fighting with themselves and living in self-hatred. Arguments like yours are a large reason as to why the suicide rates, hate crimes, discrimination etc. are so high even in a society where everyone deems themselves as having perfect moral judgement. People with strong opinions but don't have any facts or examples usually are just showing a lack of knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. Have a good day.
Gary Lee “Equality often feels like oppression for those with privilege”. Also your belief that gay people are famous because they’re gay opposed to talented in many cases is hilarious, also are you implying that gay people couldn’t cure cancer where a straight person could? Being openly gay doesn’t mean you’re less than someone who’s straight and if you disagree with that you’re hilarious man. Also “projecting self hate into everyone around you” what? I think what you’re getting at is “overcoming the stereotypes and close minded people and projecting your efforts outwards, to help other people struggling instead of slowly killing your metaphorical self”. What have you got against gay people lmao, idk if you think every gay guy is James Charles or something idk lmaooooo
Steve if you cannot move past the European colonial concepts that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, you will never accept people. Tolerate, sure, but accept is difficult. You could agree to disagree, but you’ll never be able to support someone doing something that you hate. You can ignore it, but you can’t accept it.
Brad It started as a riot. It continued as a protest. I’m sorry it’s not a family friendly, PG, fun day out. It’s about embracing who you are. Of course, people should be mindful there will be children, but at the end of the day it IS a protest. And people need to realise it’s not just a fun day out with glitter and rainbows, and they’re not suitable for children a lot of the time. Also that stuff isn’t absurdly common like people think, that’s on media distribution, but it’s not aimed at children and it won’t ruin society. People thought the internet would ruin society. People thought given women the vote would ruin society. What people should be doing is being less terrified and pessimistic. It’s a celebration of difference, and a protest. You cannot celebrate difference, but limit the difference. If you research pride for 5 minutes that’s blatantly obvious.
@@thatguyben7754 To be blunt: Celebration of men sticking their dicks into each others assholes. You should really visit these pride parades sometime. Disgusting. But transformation will come.
The world should watch this. Thank you John for that awesome lecture, that gives me light for when anyone comes to argue with me again
I have resisted looking at this video for months every time it shows up on UA-cam “suggestions” because I thought it would be another evangelical/fundamentalist diatribe. I’ve heard enough of those! But today I thought I’d watch for a few moments so I could add a comment like “what a load of shit” etc. Boy was I surprised even after the first minute had elapsed. Here is a cogent, well presented exposition of the facts. Maybe the title is confusing and many will avoid as did I. Perhaps if it was titled : “is homosexuality morally wrong or not?” Or something like that I would have watched it much earlier than I actually did. THIS PRESENTATION IS FLAWLESS AND VALUABLE for both gay and not-gay people. An ELEVEN out of ten from me!!!!
I think the title is good, it might attract the people who would be against the LGBTQ+ community, and expose them to this. I actually thought the same thing you did when I saw the title.
Tiktaalik from a marketing standpoint it is definitely designed to attract the most important audience it wants to inform.
I think the title is supposed to be like, "gay people are morally wrong!" "ok, but, what's morally wrong with gay people?" Do you know what I mean? It's kinda like asking, ok what's wrong with gay people? Idk if I explained that well, but that's kinda how I interpret it haha I do see how it can be interpreted the way you did, though.
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@@tabby21dreams33 hey buddy are you okay?
THANK YOU!! If I had heard this as a boy, I don't think I would have spent my whole life hating myself. The catholic church taught me to hate myself. In third grade of public school, they showed us a Public service announcement about the horror of homosexuality. For my entire childhood, I thought of my self as a monster whose secret must never be told.I am 70 years old now. Your words help me love myself.❤
I am happy you found some peace here. I’m sorry you suffered for so long.
Hope this helps If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
The Catholic Church taught everyone to hate themselves😁 but yes, gay people that much more.. They also taught straight people to hate gay people.. I too wish desperately they had never had the impact on society's lives that they did.. Its shameful and to say it's in God's name too.. The same God that created us "imperfect" selves.. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm happy that finally you have learned to love and accept yourself Sir.. We're not so different, I'm finally learning that too.. 💚
@@deus_vult8111 WTF?
@@deus_vult8111 correct the catholic church does not teach anyone to hate themselves on the contrary it teaches us to love God and love ourselves our neighbours. Those who are Christians ✝️ and allow homosexually they are hipocrits going against God's Divine Law 🙏. At the end of the day God loves sinners but detest sin, so repent and be respectful and accept Jesus as your Saviour. The devil attacks God with his most vulnerable side which are his children YOU AND I, as God created us as his own image, satan wants to destroy us and Jesus wants our salvation. JESUS THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE.
This guy is a very talented speaker, I have never heard anyone speak so clear. Everyone was engaged. If we could all apply his thinking and balanced arguments in our lives I realty think the world would be a lot better off.
Agree, we can change our view of many things it takes a.will plus love we as humans are able to change when we are educated have facts ad friends helping us to see difference is OK, its good we learn to change by knowing differences.
im bisexual and.ive dealt on and off with internalised homophobia for years, going to a private Christian school growing up. whenever i feel bad about it again i come back to this video.
That’s a great way to cope; I’m gonna use this :)
*reads title*
Me: here's your answer. Nothing.
@Marieluise Horne e x a c t l y
Just saying "nothing" isn't an argument, though...this video lays out the arguments against the "It's morally wrong" cries. Just saying nothing will put you in a volley of "It's wrong!" "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" I prefer my stances I take to have a little backbone. Even though we know that there IS nothing wrong...you are correct!
If you are ever curious as to why "No" is the correct answer, you should watch this video.
Because it's a gay man explaining why homosexuality isn't immoral.
Well some people just don’t like gays like me I don’t do bad things to them I just ignore them because I want nothing to do with them
And you are sadly false
Oh boy, I just watched this lecture. It is such an important one. The way you tackle all those arguments is just so empowering. It is funny on the other day this sentence popped to my head, and I was thinking to use it on a social media post:" Don´t hate me. Get to know me." I think that fits nicely with your pursue. I went through some of the comments here and noticed the tears in my eyes... Gay community needs to hear this speech! Thank you John and hugs from Finland, Europe!
You know this is 7 years old when he says “those Bluetooth earpiece things”
52:52 This actually brought tears to my eyes. Whenever I meet a queer kid, I feel such a strong sense of responsibility over them. No matter who they are, just knowing this kid is gay like me makes me fee like I am in some way a big brother. I'm sure when I'm a bit older I'll feel more like a father to them. I want to do everything I possibly can to protect gay kids, and this talk in some way helps me know why. Aside from how minorities are stuck together by their minority status, gay people as a group generally do not get to have their own kids. Our people can be born anywhere to anyone.
YOU GET ITTTTTT!! Same for me but I'm an older sister instead:D
also the excuse "i'm not homophobic, i have gay friends" is like saying "i'm not dumb, i have smart friends."
sure, it may play a part in the expression of that, and how much they aid you and help you to become more accepting/smarter, if you're dumb, you're dumb. it doesn't matter if you have smart friends or not.
Well it’s different because the definition of homophobic would hold as a contention the exclusion of gay friends. It’s a valid defense not a good one because I mean there can be gay homophobes but yea.
@miri Homophobia isn’t always a direct hatred or exclusion of gay people. It’s a lot more subtle when you’re in a group of friends.
It’s like, when a friend of yours who seems cool with you being gay will then make gay jokes and say “that’s so gay” when they really mean “that sucks”, or follow the idea of “hate the sin, not the sinner”. While they don’t really hate you as a person, they still believe that the way you are is inherently wrong.
Do you know how many friends’ would introduce me as their “trans friend”, or would joke around by using the wrong name and pronouns, not realizing that it hurt and I _wasn’t_ laughing?
I legit had a friend come up to me and say that her parents didn’t usually like trans people, but they were fine with me because I “didn’t talk about all the time”. And boy, that girl had moments all to herself, like asking why I needed to transition if I was just gonna be gay.
My mother is transphobic and yet her sister's husband is fully transitioned. She went to their wedding. And then came home and joked about how she didn't know who to expect to be wearing the dress and how he's really just a 'gay woman' who likes pants instead of skirts. She's friendly with him and often uses him as a reason why she's 'not' transphobic. Fucked upworld, man.
@BrightNeonBrilliancy Honestly, my mom would do the same thing. She _has_ said similar things, just maybe less... brash about it.
Her whole thing was telling me that I didn’t look like a boy, I looked “like a butch”, so I should give up (even though I pass lol, as long as I say I’m 13 and not my actual age). She dropped that a while ago though, once it became apparent that I wasn’t just going to drop it. Also it hurt my feelings. Like a lot.
The funny thing about her telling me that I “looked butch” and to “stop acting so butch”, is that one her friends _is a lesbian_ . As in, they’ve been friends since school. She got married this year, and we literally drive cross-country to go to the wedding (and then skipped bc my mom’s an asshole).
thats kind of a poor analogy, there is a huge difference between a fear or distaste and intelligence
I don't have any gay friends .I just haven't meet any.
And then I found out there is a certain procentage in every population that it is gay.And I did the math, ant it shows I probably have a friend or two who is gay, but he/she is hidding that .
And that just ...sad ...imagine the pain of living a duble life , not really alow yourself to be who you are , even among friends...That's a FRIEND of mine, someone I care about, someone I want to be happy..
That's why gay ppl should be open about it.Because maybe that friend that I do not know that is gay would gather some courage to be who he is, if he sees other doing it , and improve her/his life in this way.
thank you for this comment :)
+jenn brown Very true
spoken like a true worthless Christian.......
Rolie Ester worthless ? that's a bit harsh.
have you studied religion to know on what grounds they hold their views about homosexuality & morals ?
of have you just jumped onto the senseless name calling bandwagon , without understanding.
And just believe the common progay stance that this unlearned man John Corvino claims to know about the bible?
I have studied religions in the best Universities to tell you well enough "YOU" and most religious "FREAKS" don't know or have the slightest clue what "YOU" think you know. You read the bible in "Literal" form making "you" and people like you "very" dangerous religious/christian persons. The original scripts were not written in literal form which is why only the scribes, Rabbi's or priests read them. They were not made to the public because they were difficult to understand. They were written in poetic form. The bible was a very dangerous book then as it is even more dangerous today. Even more so today. In ancient times god was so subdivided by over 400 gods. Today-LMAO Christianity and other religions (non-Christians) have subdivided god even more. God is like an oak tree only with "NO" true name. Calling god -god is like calling a dog...... a dog. There are only 3 types of "Christians" in this world we live in today. 1) the "TRUE" Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. They "actually" live out their lives Christ like. And you don't need a bible to do that. Simple common sense instead of "STUPIDITY, GREED AND HATE"! In the bible when Christ spoke his last words on the cross or tree.. so many different stories: they were "LOVE EACH OTHER THE WAY I HAVE LOVED YOU"! There were "NO"exceptions or buts in the statement. Except for the KJV of the bible. Which is not even a bible It's a book of rules written by King James I and edited by Sir Francis Bacon. So technically Sir Francis Bacon wrote the KJV and also wrote and corrected Shakespeare's plays. King James, lousy man, lousy ruler like some of our US presidents who had to go to war who simply wanted nothing more than to leave a legacy behind. They left nothing more than chaos and corruption. Though I have to say the corruption began with the Egyptians which encouraged all religions thereafter. Every religion beginning with what you know "the Jewish Religion" was nothing more than a copy cat religion from the Egyptians. What people don't know is the Egyptians did not set religion itself. They also were a copy cat religion. Religion holds no grounds on homosexuality, morals, (especially morals) so don't go there with me. That indeed was a stupid remark. Man wrote the bible and it was most certainly "NOT" inspired by god. When you pick up your bible, also have a history book next to you and reference them against each other. You don't actually need a history book if you live say in America. Most people here have what are called "COMPUTERS" The Church (people and religion) have spilled more blood in the history of man kind than any other man known to man... In just a very short period of time. So the three types of Christians. 1) the TRUE Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. I've already explained that above. 2) Fundamentalists groups - (Terrorist groups) - Christians/Christianity and other forms of religious groups. Non the less, TERORISTS! They will kill at will, by the use of guns, or other forms of weaponry, burn you alive, drown you, drag you behind a truck for a few miles till your dead, etc. You don't need someone/terrorist from some other country to do your dirty work, it's all done by the hands of.. yes, people who claim to be Christians or very close to god. and 3) Conservative Christians/Christianity- and other form of Christian groups - also known as Christian TERRORISM. The conservative Christian will kill you very, very slowly. Not by they're own hands. They are a bit smarter. They are rarely caught or persecuted. They shame others (the one's they also do not care for, you know "HATE")into suicide. So both Christian and religious folk that fall under #'s2 and 3 both end up in the fiery pit they call or refer to as "HELL". Christians/Religious- all Terrorists/Cults. ( Christians preach that only GOD has the power to give life and to take it. Then tell me something smart ass.... What the fuck are Christians doing killing so fucking much? There are the 7 deadly sins according to the bible. Sins so dark that darken the soul there is no forgiveness for. Under the subdivision of one of those sins is: the killing/stripping/stealing of another person's soul that belongs to god. You fuckers do it all the time, everyday. After killing someone or shaming them into suicide, you may hide for a few days, then right back to your church buildings yelling, screaming your halleluiah's until you falsely fall into seizures on the floor. What fucking hypocrites. Worshiping and preying like the thieves you are. When someone takes a life by shaming them into suicide that is also a grave sin. god has no mercy on Christians or religious terrorist groups # 2-3. They are nothing more than Satan's hive workers. god has more mercy on the bullied and persecuted than the BULLY and the PERSECUTER!!!!!!! So, what type of Christian are you? Since you claim to know sooooooooooooooo much about religion and your bible?
I stumbled across this most unbiased, informative presentation I’ve ever seen and heard on the subject of morality and Homosexuality. Simply brilliant!
*Not as brilliant as you may think. I have a rebuttal for everything he said. He left out some major details on certain topics.*
Starhunter Ok. Are you insinuating that you believe homosexuality is immoral from the oh-so-moral high ground of which is the likes of your profile picture?
@@MrShyguyRS *Yes I am actually. And what's wrong with my profile pic?*
Starhunter if you don't know, you have no business arguing the morality of any topic. At least not without first writing a paper on morality in general than rethinking your stance on everything.
he was awesome, he was unbiased and faced the facts and what is actually true in society! He didn't pick sides, but simply analyze points against homosexuality with valid arguments!
The problem isn't with homosexuality but with religion. Homosexuality is natural and real while religion is questionable at best
Only one religion will give you GiantBuhmCancers.
Your HomoPoohSexReligion.
@@wombat010 Shush.
@@wombat010You have no life
@@FemboyKaiSaku I have no itchy warts on my buhm.
@ good for you, me neither
My son grew up in a conservative church from age of 2 to teen years !! He is gay !! Proving that being gay is NOT a choice but, the way you feel !!! I am SOO proud of him !! I don't care who he marries?? Just as long as he is happy !!! he is a GREAT kid !!! I am blessed !!! Sinners have no right to name sinners when they are sinners themselves !!! ❤🧡💙💚🖤 🏳🌈
Parents are supposed to be that place where a child finds refuge, understanding, and love. So many LGBTQ kids don't get that and have no choice but to feel fear of rejection from the ones that are supposed to protect them the most. Thank you for being what a parent should be!!
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
@Boris You do not speak anything reasonable. Your god does not exist. I am happy without your god. Your extreme arrogance will be your end.
@Boris I am infinitely more reasonable and smarter than you ever will. Every comment you find new ways to make yourself even more stupid and toxic.
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
2020. This is quite possibly the most important and thorough presentation on the subject. Thank you. From the Philippines.
*I have a rebuttal for everything he said. He was wrong on so much in this video.*
The Writer “Because the Bible said so...”
@@2026Johndoe *No, because science said so.*
@@thewriter2634 bro......we know like 1% os science let's be honest. Don't try to sound smart
The Writer idk what science you thinks disproves this 🥴 literally so many scientific studies that prove the validity of homosexuality 😳 so please explain what about science is anti gay
“If everyone was gay there would be no humanity” “if everyone was a POTATO there would be no humanity. But everyone is not a potato just as everyone is not gay, young grasshopper”
-Lilly Singh
genuinely my favourite quote of all time
@@Nightmare_980 "a village child neglected by it's people will burn the village down to feel it's warmth"
*The reason people say that is because of the objective standard for sex existing and what nature had intended for us. If nature intended for us to be gay, we should be able to survive on it but we can't. Therefore we can assess that being gay isn't nature's intended plan.*
.@@starhunter9085 And yet where do gay people come from? You got it, those wonderful straight people>
@@Taragon630 *So do murderers, rapists and thieves so...*
one hell of a day for this to be recommended to me, good luck America
"I'm asking you to judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love." - John Corvino
❤️
Truth If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
rip asexuals lol
@@Potato-ko3oc Asexuals still love people, just not sexually (nice pfp and name btw)
He could have a successful career writing the slogans for Hallmark Cards or stories for the Care Bears.
Your gay life is more important to you than your relationship with God. The Bible says Lying, gossiping, sex outside of marriage, stealing, pride, hatred, jealousy, greed etc are sins. the list is long. Let's say my sin is pride. If I tell God I'm willing to put my relationship with him above my pride. You are defending your sin. Go for it. You really don't need to do these lectures to justify your sin. Keep it up. Your relationship with God and willingness to do HIS will bring joy & love & peace.
Some dude will never give you that.
This is ten years old, and it's still necessary. NECESSARY! It's SO INFORMATIVE, and SO reasonable. Thank you John!
Its ALSO very reasonable to think his Mother was also a gay guy, and his father was a straight or gay guy, and they had anal sex (Sodomy) together and conceived him; both males contributing the Y chromosome, so there were no XX (female) chromosomes to form the fertilized egg, and that's why he was born a Male (Y chromosome) and not a girl (XX chromosome). Very Reasonable! Thank you John!
@@karstensbran1751 what are you on about lmao
@@karstensbran1751how are you so stupid yet so confident saying stupid shit?
@karstensbran1751 no one is saying homosexual people can reproduce with each other. Let go of your hatred.
this is 16 years old, it was recorded in 2007
All the dislikes are either people who didn't watch it or homophobes who were looking for more reasons to hate
As a gay older man & got married to a woman when young because of society treated gays 50 years ago! Made a lot of problems for me & my family! Came out at age 46 had to start over to be true to myself! This video is awesome & I appreciate you doing this to help others not make the same mistakes I made!❤
Just incredible! I'm so lucky with my family and friends to be so understanding. Initially, my parents couldn't handle my sexuality. I found myself in an abusive relationship & that coloured their opinions even more. When that relationship finished they were so pleased for my safety Y freedom - then I met someone else and fell in love with him. When they realised how much in love we are their attitudes changed almost over night. My family adore my David. My Brother has another brother, my Mum loves him like another son, & my father loved him like nobody else. When Dad passed away, we took his ashes to scatter where he loved bird watching as a boy. On the way back down to where we were going to have lunch in a pub, Mum bumped into a group of her friends she hadn't seen for a while. They exchanged pleasantries then my Mum introduced us, my brother, then myself & then Dave. "This is Mark's partner, my other son". I will never forget that moment. Dave's family are the same with me. I don't think I could ever imagine how much love we're surrounded by! I just hope that younger people of our LGBTQ family are finding life easier than we did & their families are just as supportive of them as ours is.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
You are so lucky... I live in the shadows because my family is not as supportive.. and the crazy thing is I live alone... so I shouldn't care right? But somehow I feel I could never bring a partner to a family get together
@@Oscar_239 I feel for you. I know how fortunate I am & I don't take it for granted.
This story made me cry. It makes me hopeful for the future, thank you.
something everyone likes to ignore is no one chooses to be lgbt+ you can choose to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist, but that doesn't make it go away. being lgbt+ is something built into you. the want for love, and sometimes, sex is innate, you cannot chose weather you do have or don't have that part built into your brain, you can choose to ignore it or suppress it, but not everyone wants to suppress something as wonderful as love, so mind your own business.
Well this is not exactly how our brain works but ok, you got your own opinion, and it's great
@@vldvvalentin it kinda is, everything we are is in our brains, like, science says that our brain waves actually show what gender we are, its pretty crazy.
@@imkuelllgremlin yeah, sure, gayness is determined by brain waves and genes, and NOT by society and mass media talking about gays.
Well, yes, but actually, no. Otherwise, gayness would be a mass trend all over the entire world instead of mainly in US and EU.
Just as with depression, fetish, etc, gayness is a matter of human psychology.
I'm not straight against gays, don't get me wrong, I just hate when people starting to explain by "our nature", or, which is even funnier, by God's will or smth.
Just as with being rapist or psycho, gaynes is rooted in our surroundings. Just deal with it already and be fine.
@@vldvvalentin As a lesbian, I found out that homosexuality exists at the age of 13 xD. I don't really think that my surroundings have something to do with my homosexuality.
@@vldvvalentin there are gay people all around the world you idiot.
Also arguing gayness is due to surroundings inherently implies heterosexuality is also due to surroundings. Inherently saying that your hetero sexuality is due to societal factors and not that you're only attracted to women.
Lastly behavioral genetic studies have identified potential genetic and non-genetic contributors to psychopathy. Rapist also isn't a psychological "trait" for lack of a better word.
The only dislikes are from people thinking he’s a homophobe without watching the whole video
Tyrone Pines i always wanted Dipper to be gay tbh
Lol so true
@@krd5709 My headcanon is that he's bi...but same! I could see him with a bf!
I thumbed down the video because his argument is not based on natural law.
@@Lerian_V What's "natural law" as you put it?
I would be interested to hear any anti-gay person come up with a coherent and cogent argument against the points he addressed.
Absolutely. It’s impossible. But, unfortunately that doesn’t seem to stop religious bigots from trying. And, because, for them, it’s dressed up as a faith issue, a “fear of a holy god” issue, they’re really not interested in the truth, or reasoning or even in morality in the genuine sense. It’s all about proving their kosher and authentic posture in relation to the doctrines and pronouncements of their religion. It’s a group identity game for them. This is why they become so I incensed when we present logical and moral arguments against them, because we are threatening their whole identity and worldview. To admit they’re wrong on this would feel like a kind of death.
They defend their delusions with an irrational ferocity.
All of the homophobes in the comments using the arguments this dude showed and demonstrated were wrong. Anyway this is an amazing video.
But it wrong
@@frogs_are_gaey1327 What?
Read my post, which I won't repeat here.
@@markanthony3275 When did you post it? Does copy and paste not exist where you're from?
@@DylweedWasTaken11 I have eye cancer...so I can't do things as easily as others. I posted it about ten minutes before I posted in reply to you.
Absolutely LOVE this talk. I am heterosexual but have never been able to understand why people and religion has an issue with homosexuality.
Thank you for the clarity you gave here
Thankyou, I'm a gay man and all I want to say is it's not a choice it's who we are it's how we are. I never asked to be gay but have lived with the remarks the sneering and bigotry......I don't flout my sexuality I just try live my life the best I can...
Religions have an issue about it because to them the bible says so, if you truly understand the bible it was written long after Jesus was walking the earth, it has been altered by human hand, it has been added to and passages removed, and the word homosexual was added to the bible in the 60's by a religion. Religion is man made, built on putting fear into people that a man in the sky is going to do something awful if you don't tow the line, in fact the truth is God is an energy/force of love which is present in all nature, (wild flowers, streams, rivers, trees, insects etc), the whole world and universe is made up of that force/energy. Religions/churches also make you believe Jesus had white skin with long blond hair, nothing could be further from the truth.
As a Catholic, it is because we believe God created man and women to become one flesh in marriage. God gave us our sexuality, God also condemned homosexuality. Since God gave us our sexuality and God condemned homosexuality, we try not to use our sexuality against God’s will. I don’t believe Christians are truly homophobic but simply stand up for Christian morality and family values.
@@ryan20652 so where does the values at the very core of Catholicism stand with the prevalent proven homosexual child abuse by individuals that should be best placed to instill the the Catholic values. No matter what religion dictates to its followers being gay is NOT A CHOICE! So therefore one must ask is there something wrong with the genetics of the human species as homosexuality has been around forever, to coin a phrase. after all sex in reality is just about survival of the species. So yet again RELIGION, which is responsible for more trouble, deaths and hatred in the world is involved, Perhaps religions should focus on those issues, I mean you only have to look what's going on in the middle east...ALL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION! People are entitled to their beliefs if it provides them with what the need to be a fulfilled human being. I leave you with last thought....as I stated earlier, being gay is NOT A CHOICE, I certainly didn't chooses to be. So as a Catholic with the beliefs you hold and follow....what would you do if you were Gay, hide it and live a lie because youd be afraid to be yourself,denounce your religion, commit suicide, WHAT?
@@ryan20652the complete void of moral and values that so many religious people have, makes your argument somewhat ludicrous..
it's like when a religious person do the things they complain, condemn and judge others for, they're even unfit candidates, but they still preach about stuff, and what others should or shouldn't do..
some say that judgement is God's work.. but if that was what they believed, why do they even think that they should (or be worthy to) take that role? the double standard adds even more, when they say you should love everyone and that it's wrong to pass judgement.. (i don't know if they don't realise it, or failing to recognise it, or if it's a brain worm of sort, that causes some "holier than" type of superiority complex.. but I know that I don't understand it..)
even if that was your beliefs, what makes that into what's right or wrong? or that that even should be?
when there's so much hypocrisy and double standards, that they even can trip themselves by it, it's mindboggling that they even think, that they are the ones that should be talking about moral and values, or what should be considered right and wrong ..
and if the case actually was that they followed some godly teachings, they wouldn't pick and choose what that was..
but if you didn't understand what he said or talked about, well, you can always watch it again..
I have a gay friend who was born and spent his first 20 years of life in Pakistan. He detailed how he felt like he was the only person who was abnormal in the entire world. He told me how he remembers having a crush on a male friend since 3rd grade. And he also tells me encountering multiple other people who were probably gay or queer based on their mannerisms and the things they talked about (like talking about liking celebrities of the same gender) He was friends with many such people. However, he had never even heard of the term "gay" or "homosexual" until he was in 9th grade.
Looking through youtube this afternoon, I came across this video by chance and decided to listen. Never heard of this guy (I'm in the UK so perhaps understandable) but he said so much of what I've been thinking for years, although much better and more eloquent. I am not gay/lesbian, or anything like that, but I have worked with gay people and known plenty of gay people in the past. One woman I know has 4 daughters and 2 of them are gay, having children with their respective female partners - probably IVF but I've not asked, it's none of my business. My next door neighbour in 1971/72 was openly gay, at a guess in his 50s. My then husband (we were 19) often popped round to his house for a chat and he once remarked what a good looking guy my husband was. I hope John Corvino is still giving his lectures and in the same way as he does here, showing the absurdity of how some people think and contradict themselves.
I'm grateful this video was in my recommended, and that doesn't happen often. Even my eyes were opened and I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community who is in a relationship myself. It's a very insightful speech that explores almost all arguments and perspectives against homosexuality. He has a great way of presenting this to audiences logically and reasonably. More people need to hear his words and see this video, it speaks volumes.
I'm gay and 13 and I am very happy that you are able to put our points across and why it's hard for us to put those views across so thank you
Destiny Dark Child I am jealous of the two of you, I didn't come out until I was 23. Props for being brave enough to come out so early.
Ah, poop little fart!!! is that your best?
lol, angry? I never get angry.
The fact that this doesn't even have at least 5 million views bothers me lol
Ikr
Same!
The fact that this doesn't have more dislikes bothers me.
@@brad8448 because homophobia can't win, stay pressed ;)
Brad the fact that you’re bothered by a logical unbiased presentation of why love isn’t wrong bothers me. :)
Quite frankly, someone's sexual orientation is no one's business but their own.
that would be alright if you lived isolated from the rest of society and had no interaction with it, but you dont.
im alright with that, i dont care about who u fuck
Omg this! Why do homophobes feel entitled to what other people do in their bedrooms?!
@@Kawekaweau-i5otf?
@@Kawekaweau-i5othen how about straight people stay hidden too 🥰🙏🏻
Should be the shortest video ever: "There is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality. Thank you for watching."
I think this video is more tailored to homophobic people who are convinced that their arguments are sound.
Guy talking: “Sometimes I fantasize about pulling out a sword and chopping off their ear”
Me: We are the same soul in different physical being
Pulling out a sword I've felt that
Agreed
It feels like sword when you are having butt buggering,so I have been told ,from the gay guys mouth to my ear
@@dixieblonde2208 cool fact, buddy! 🌟
And then Jesus came along and healed it.
I wish i have seen this a longtime ago, would help me a lot to get to accept my identity. its kind of therapeutic.
You're right, this is one of the most eloquent speeches on the topic. I hope you can accept yourself now, you're worth living your truth.
@@arijanitrexhepi2215 dude, stop being toxic!
@@brad8448 it's literally science! Stop being ignorant and update your religion to the 21st century. Humans and society evolve, we're not stuck in the dark ages anymore.
@@fardareismai4495 Science doesn't determine morality God does. Read his holy word. Study History. Rome fell, Greece fell, they collapsed because their morals collapsed. Homosexuality and transgenderism are just signs that this society is declining. But there is Hope in Christ who will prevail on this Earth. Trust him.
@@brad8448 knowledge, compassion and common sense determine morality. I do not accept a reformer of the Jewish religion as my divine saviour, he was not. This kind of mentality discourages critical thought and personal freedom, making people into sheep without a mind of their own. There's nothing wrong with religion, but as soon as you start vilifying other people's identities, preferences and way of loving, I lose all respect for you and the way you use religion. People outside of the cisheteronormative standard just means that our laws are becoming more just, our respect for individuals is growing and we are able to cope with diversity better, which is vital to society. So no, I won't trust a glorified preacher, sorry.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have just succinctly articulated in a wonderfully clear way many of the arguments. I’ve always tried to put forward. It was such a pleasure to listen to your lecture. Yes the humour was entertaining. The theory was edifying and the humanity behind it was uplifting
And yet, it's all just a pile of queer claptrap and you know it.
You are so right. The succinctly articulated theory of gift-giving is very edifying for the bug-chasers and a pleasure for all of humanity omg!! Thank you, thank you, thank you. The buhm-warts are so itchy and scratching them must feel wonderfully uplifting and entertaining. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
How did I just find this. Absolutely beautiful. Not only did he systematically destroy every "argument" against how/why LGBT people are mistreated (I love his style of breaking apart words that are constantly thrown around but do we really even know what we mean or are saying?), and he provided a definition of "morality" that is truly wonderful -- Judge people -- but don't judge them for WHO they love, but WHETHER they love. I need to remember everything he said.
*It's also quite comical to read comments from people who very obviously did not watch the video or take the time to evaluate anything he said, but just stick with their old, worn out fear of people who are a little different from them or that they don't understand.
@@godallowsuturns679 *Thank you, finally someone with sense. I've been saying this for years now.*
God Allows UTurns to say we are anything but mistreated is pure ignorance. Clearly you haven’t heard that many countries in the world still have the death penalty for homosexuality. Or prison for life. Clearly you didn’t know that in over half of the 50 states in the U.S. gay people can be fired from their jobs, and the only reason needed would be because they are gay. A statistical study showed that around 1/3 of adults are mildly or very uncomfortable when seeing two men or two women out in public simply holding hands. There are still hate crimes against homosexuals expressing their affecting for each other in public. People call us freaks, they call us faggots, they tell us that we’re going to hell. They tell us no one will love us. That we won’t have a normal life. Kids are beaten for their sexual orientation. People don’t want transgender people to use the gender they identify with because people associate the lgbtq community with pedophilia (which is completely not true btw). Just because we are able to be who we are in some countries doesn’t mean we aren’t discriminated against because of that. Some doctors have refused to work on transgender patients. It’s harder for us to get insurance. There’s only one country in all of Asia that allows same sex marriage and that’s Taiwan. People are against children learning that gay people exist, even when it’s taught in very appropriate ways. As if me holding the hand of my partner is some inappropriate thing. Religious leaders have blamed gay people for Covid-19. Still think we’re anything but mistreated? I can give you more examples if you’re not convinced. If you only take away one thing from what I’ve just said then take away this: we are far from equality, and that’s what we will continue to fight for. Just because it’s legal for us to be ourselves doesn’t mean it’s accepted.
God Allows UTurns ok so you’re twisting what I said now to make me seem unreasonable. I don’t want to play that game with you. It won’t get anyone anywhere. Any type of protest can lead to anyone being killed, yes. But what I was talking about wasn’t protestors. I was talking about homosexuality in general in countries that have it where you can be put to death for it. Also I’m not sure what you mean by me promoting divisiveness. The definition of divisive is “tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.” I understand some people disagree with equal rights which can cause conflict, but how is me acknowledging mistreatment causing that or even hostility?
Ah yes, the agenda. You’ve got no idea what it even is I bet lol. You want to know what this ‘agenda’ you speak of is? Equal f*cking rights. How is that too much to ask for? How is that promoting hostility? It’s promoting tolerance. The opposite of what you described. I do agree that most of the countries do have other issues greater than just people being gay. But just because those countries have other problems doesn’t lessen the issue of people being murdered for their sexual orientation.
Ok, so what I’m gathering from what you said at the end there is that you think sexual orientation is a choice. You think I want to be gay? False. I would love to be straight. I would love to be ‘normal.’ I would love to not have to deal with discrimination. I would love to have people accept me for me. I would love to not have to come out. So why don’t I just stay in the closet and marry a girl? Because I wouldn’t be able to love her. Because I wouldn’t be living my life to the fullest. Because I wouldn’t be able to be happy with a girl. Because I don’t want to deal with the weight of a huge lie on my chest all my life. I guess gay people can’t win with god. Lying is a sin. But so is being gay according to a book that has been mistranslated and changed many times. But if I suppress those feelings then I’d be lying to myself and everyone I know. So in the end, I’ll chose to be myself with the time I have on earth.
And you’re right. Who I am is between me and god. Not you. Not anyone else. That’s why you should let me and anyone in the lgbtq community live their lives. Who they love doesn’t affect you in any way. If you think they’re going to hell, it isn’t your job to judge them. And yet so many people do. So many people try and discriminate against us. And that’s still legal in today’s world. And that is the issue. I don’t want to be gay. I didn’t chose to be gay. I didn’t ask for this. Yet here I am. I don’t want you to read this just to respond. I want you to read this to understand. Because discrimination is not ok. Hating someone for something they can’t control is not ok. Judging people you haven’t even met is not ok. Killing someone for who they love is not ok. And I’m not judging you here either. I hold nothing against you, except this one opinion you have.
David Explorer you don’t have to live a lie and you shouldn’t have to sacrifice loving someone. God made it very simple: men and women, one for the other. You are complicating your own life by choosing to go with your feelings. You know you are sinning against God so I don’t have to convince you of anything. You already made your choice. God is so much more than you give Him credit for and it’s a shame you just follow the gay herd because it’s easier to go with your feelings, than it is to fight against them. If you think you can’t change, then you are underestimating the power of God. If you were meant to be gay, God would have provided a way for you to have intercourse without having to use a part of your body that is meant to excrete waste and He would’ve also provided a way for you to procreate. So, if you want to be gay is up to you. What I won’t allow you to do is to change the children’s school system by implementing new genders, pronouns and behavior. I don’t care how much support you get from Hollywood and the rest of society, at the core, you know you are not going about things the way you should. I don’t believe for a second you are hated or discriminated by the majority. Gay people are very common, treated well and live fine in my neighborhood. I don’t agree with their lifestyle but I don’t harass them either, however I will
make my opinion known in any forum I choose to. You don’t have to like my opinion. Respect mine and I respect yours.
David Explorer You simply want to break natural law placed by whoever you believe in. You’re trying to play God. Everyone in history who has done so has died a horrible death as well. Plus the Bible was written thousands of years ago. Specifically the Old Testament. Christianity and Catholicism was also mostly based in more advanced cultures as well. Really says something doesn’t it. The only other advanced cultures of the renaissance was the Japanese and Chinese and they believed in Buddhism. That wasn’t even religion it was philosophy.
This video is almost 7 years old and I only got it recommended now
Great lecture! I’m a heterosexual woman who had gay friends stand up for her when straight ones didn’t. I’m also a pastor who held services that were welcoming to ALL people at a place named after Stonewall. I preached the love of Christ for all people. Even before I became a pastor I couldn’t understand why people of the LGBTQ community were hated when they didn’t hurt anyone by whom they loved.
God destroyed 2 cities because of homosexuality. The ashes are still there.
The anal canal was not made for sex. Neither was the mouth. You are a friend of SATAN
@@WJAlexander-o6tFirst of all, that story is most definitely not historical. Secondly, the actual sin was a lack of welcome, which, ironically is the exact sin that homophobic people engage in when they treat people in the LGBTQ community like second class citizens. Like this guy said, how odd-how sad- that so much hate is directed at people just because of the people they love.
@@kjmav10135 Oh NOW I get where U R coming from! HAhaha I should've known. Its all about your sex life, which I have NO interest in. Please keep it to yourself. Maybe you should think about other things.
Stop annoying people, get out of people's faces. Stop propagandizing. THAT is what's causing people to hate you: ACTIVISM. Leave the kids alone. Heteros have always been mum on sex to young children, (pervs excepted) My advise to you: Be MUM.
@@WJAlexander-o6tGod is a bitch than 💀
As a 51 year old gay orphan, your words about our children not being born unto us, gave me a very different look at life in general. I'm at a point in my life, where I'm still questioning how and where I fit in, and what, if anything, am I going to leave behind? This has certainly given me a different focus. And, for that, I'm overwhelmingly grateful.
The issue of where you fit in is a real one. The only practical answer to that is, you fit in anywhere you are accepted. Go where you are treated best.
As far as what you will leave behind, I wouldn't worry about it. Most people don't leave anything behind. Even if you have children, your children are likely to ignore whatever it is you want them to do or believe and then go on to do or believe whatever they want anyway. Probably most of your ancestors would be shocked by your lifestyle but the main question there is, do you really care about that? You have rejected their values, as you should! So what did they really "leave behind"?
Very clever title of your video. It turned out to be a very different message then what I expected. I came late to an appointment because I just wanted to finish watching your message. Your speech was one I will save in my favorites. I have forwarded it to quite a few people, and I’m sure you don’t mind I’ve used many parts of it in discussions. I want to congratulate you on your work.
Thank you !
Greets from Brussels,Belgium❤❤❤
After I read the comments I realised nobody actually watch the video head to toe, Guys we need to face a fact that is there are people who just do not want to be convinced, they know if they watch the video, they ill be convinced and they would stop feeling good about themselves bashing gays, these are the people we are talking to, so save your time and let them fade away with their petty understanding and insecurities about themselves..
PLEASE!! Proof read your comment so that your point comes out clearer even if English is your second language. Thanks. :-)
I watched it all the way through. I don't bash gays. It's their own business what they do. They have to answer to God just like I do.
I lived a homosexual life for 40 years & always felt it was unnatural but it sure did feel good at times, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons & it wasn't until a few years ago that God touched my heart & soul & literally showed me the truth! I don't bash gay people as I know many, it's just not for me anymore & that desire for other woman has vanished! Also, I grew up w/ NO religion whatsoever!
Amen! Thank you for stating.
@@savedorslaved4371 So you are bisexual and a religion guilted you into suppressing part of yourself. Ok?... And wth is "living a homosexual life" anyhow? How is it a lifestyle?
Love how funny and sophisticated he is.
I love your profile pic
What does the bible really say on the LGBT community go to my channel and watch my latest show
Sexual orientation is not a moral issue, it’s a personal issue and is frankly no one’s business to comment on. The question I would ask is why would someone else’s sexual orientation threaten anyone? Live and let live people, life is too short.
Thank you 👏 Life is indeed much too short.
This talk is probably one of the best arguments I've ever seen on gay people. Kudos to John Corvino for the time he spent delivering such a great presentation.
DericKE In what sense did you find it was great? I am suspicious when an audience such as this finds some of the speaker's quips hilarious and they laugh. Is it because he is telling them what they want to hear? Is it because it feels nice to be told that this sexual orientation is better than that one? Thus giving people a false sense of their own identity. It is all very well to go on about a sexual orientation being abhorrent but that is a superficial approach. As human being we all have to deal with our sexual urges and our orientation is irrelevant. Some might conclude that homosexual orientation is a recipe for misery while a heterosexual one is a recipe for happiness, fulfillment, etc. Yet, one could so easily turn that approach on its head. Mature people with no agenda would understand this. And maybe it is they who should be up their on the podium, saying what they have to say and without making people laugh every few minutes. This is about serious stuff and not damning a minority so that one feels better.
He sounded like a pastor on our street who said a lot of what he mentioned. He probably just watched this video. He was such a great guy. Unfortunately, he is now on some video having sex with a teenage boy and the boy received cash by the end of the video.
@@hamrunizspar1 Okay, few things. 1, you said their when you meant there. 2, heterosexual people are not a minority. 3, you can make a good point whilst simultaneously being funny, it's called charisma. Didn't they teach you how to spell, how to have and use common sense and how to be a human being at your Sunday school?
Aaron Watson. Oh dear! I wrote their when I meant there. John Corvino's style is all over the place and as such, ineffectual. I find him difficult to follow and explains why you think that I referred to heterosexuals as a minority(heterosexuals as a minority would be straights who infiltrate a gay disco to see men dancing together cheek to cheek. Or a gay bath-house to see something else). Bar these two instances, of course heteros are a majority. And finally, you call Mr. Corvino's delivery charismatic?! Blow me! And me being a human being at Sunday School?! What are you on about?
Linda de Chamonix You’ve written twenty-one lines in a You Tube comment and I still have no idea if you believe there is a way to be both gay and moral.
It's crazy to me to realize I came to nearly every single one of the same arguments and bits of logic all on my own, and yet this man has been giving lectures with this logic since before I was born.
Thank you. Thank you so much, mister John.
What's morally wrong with homosexuality? Nothing! Absolutely Nothing!
What do you mean?
Zero
Nothing
*What about the HIV/AIDS epidemic?*
@@starhunter9085 Can't believe people still ask this but here's your answer 23:24
@@starhunter9085 He tapped on that subject, did you watch the whole thing?
My prayers are that everyone in the worlds would listen to this!! Wish that people preached this in my youth! So true and time HAS changed and by the grace of God will continue 🙏..Thank you Sir ❤
Thank you, Mr. Corvino, for expressing reality in such a kind manner. At 87 years of age, it has taken me more than half a century to realize that I am, indeed, a human being. It has not been easy, but your words and understanding hit home with me -- even your anecdote about your mom wondering why does one need to flaunt one's sexuality in other people's faces. Your words are well taken -- your caring for others is well received. May you and your work continue as long as you are able. And may you and your partner have a long and loving life together.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
I feel sorry for you, you've given up on life for a myth
Thank you, John Corvino, for your sequential logic and eloquent exploration of very common, but powerful, questions and misconceptions about a large cohort of people in this world. Homosexuality is neither rare nor modern-but a widespread social behavior and deeply human, utterly natural desire in sentient souls throughout all cultures in history.
Your presentation is a reassuring, compelling example of reason navigating emotion, and curiosity embraced by truth-all achieved with grace, integrity and affection.
Excellent comment. Well written.
Bill Stanley Wow-thanks, Bill. Had no idea anyone read that or visited this video.
I wish everyone thought like you
Still a Sin overall no matter what he says or what other have to say it's still a Sin
God word is better then man words
@@monkeyandtangerines3621 I'm not sure whose god you're talking about, but no god ever said anything about gay people, gender, sex, sexuality or marriage. Only mortal, fallible and usually self-appointed men have been recorded making assertions that promote or abide by homophobia and misogyny. If you're talking about one of the prophets, including Mohammed, or one of the books of the Old Testament, New Testament or Quran, then you are quoting a judgmental blowhard from 1,400 to 4,400 years ago who does not have any divine or moral authority over anyone.
More importantly, who in the world do you think YOU are, passing judgment, in a public venue, on the personhood I and millions of others were born into? Gay people exert no more control over innate desires that do heterosexuals. The arrogance of someone like you, I suppose presenting yourself as a Christian, to remark contemptuously on my non-volitional predilections is revolting and uncivil. If there is a god, I am created in that god's image.
And since I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family, I will say confidently that your self-appointment here is unChristian, and an unwelcome invasion of a conversation to which you should have gracefully listened and learned from, not dared to correct or lecture into silence with some laughably corrupted version of morality. You have soiled the spirit of a town-hall conversation in a society that quite explicitly separates religion from government, and mandates religious parochial beliefs to refrain from using these platforms of freedom of expression, nurtured only in secular democracies, to evangelize. My father was a very religious Catholic man, and he despised attempts by any Catholic or self-anointed Christian to proselytize in secular fora, especially with an insolence that embarrasses all others of your faith.
I'm proud to be his gay, secular, feminist and humanist, pro-choice and pro-labor, son.
We need more intellectual lectures combined with stand up comedy.
I find that when you use comedy, people are more willing to listen and understand.
@@Ratigan2yeah, cause the speaker doesn't take themselves too seriously and he feels closer to the public
Contrapoints
@@BeneficialCuts They haven't uploaded anything in a while either, have they?
@@Mark73Your point being? Is this a little above your head, or does it just make too much sense?
WOW!!! John Corvino is brilliant. Full of heart. Full of conviction. And philosophically sound. He built his arguments on rational strong foundations. I’m so thankful I stumbled across his presentation!
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Your video title held me away for a few passes, John, as I'm in "the choir" and felt I knew the words to "the song". Just a year ago I had to say "adieu" to my loving partner of 54 years. We met in the seminary, destined to be Catholic missionary priests. Once we fell in love and knew that our vocations had to be outside the church, we felt that living as a couple in a residential neighbourhood would be our way of being the missionaries we hoped to be with a more subtle message of love for all, and an example to the "uninitiated"of love for one of the same sex.
You know, what buggs me the most about the whole deal of homophobes? I am gay myself, so naturally, I thought about about it a lot. I have come a long way of self hate and shame, to finally come to peace with who I am. And, the thing is, I already developed those counter-arguements long before I watched this seminar, just didn't have this knowledge and experience to back them up even further. And I have come to realise, that any SANE person, who would just sit there and actually THINK about this topic rationally and without prejudice, would eventually reach the same conclusion - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. And that saddens me to realise, how rarely people actually try to think critically, and rather go on with their "dogma's" and "scriptures", even though their faulted and vile to the core...
Ya, whenever I find someone now trying to convert me or tell me "oo it's icky" or "don't shove it in my face" Imma just send this video cuz it really sums things up very nicely
Yeah I used to have a big prejudice against it, and now kinda going through a self hate phase, but when you _really_ take the time to think about it, none of the arguments make sense.
It’s unreasonable to expect people to or assume people will naturally formulate opinions exclusively in logical terms. Humans aren’t logical by nature, nor even as the primary mode of evaluating choices, making decisions, or predicting outcomes. Humans first and foremost are societal animals, which means indoctrination is at the core of our development. But, in formulating a judgment, humans primarily use their emotions, followed by their experiences. Logic may never have to feature for a lot of people in a lot of cases. You, yourself, formulated an opinion along these lines by citing an association between anyone who doesn’t agree with your conclusions and the only scenario in which this situation would arise is if someone were psychiatrically unwell. There’s no description of logic there, and the use of capitals and emotive phrasing implies heavily that it was a formulation from emotion. Humans can’t escape this, but we can learn to become better at recognising when we’re doing it, and don’t ascribe to these irrationally-formed beliefs more significance than they’re worth (which is also what happens most of the time).
@@ChristoferKelly "Male and female He created them"...
@@ChristoferKelly Oh, my arguements are most definitely formulated and supported by emotions. Among other things. But if they stand under a rational scrutiny, does their origin really matter?
Here we have John talking for an hour, logically discussing the arguments. What do we have in the comment section? *people using the exact same arguments he discussed in the video, without any regards to it*🤦♀️
Come on, it's just listening comprehension. Can't be that hard. Or people don't watch it after they realise which side he is on 💁♀️
Ikr
In all seriousness it bothers me more people don’t watch more of a video before commenting. I’m still watching, but I plan to finish
What a great video❤️ I grew up with a dad who was homophobic and I truly believed his words and reasoning. It wasn’t until recently that I’ve been able to heal this aspect of my thinking. This is a great video to suggest for those who are confused about the argument.
Clicked on this thinking this was homophobic propaganda. So glad it wasn't. This guy makes me smile. Thanks for uploading.
Same! Ditto to everything you said
The CG Jeff ikr! I'm just glad there are people who think logically. :)
I'm glad you put this comment here, because I really don't want to watch all 58 minutes of this.
And a lovely warm feeling inside was experienced when you realised that it’s lgbt 🏳️🌈 propaganda
Anthony Yarbrough yes because all life is about logic. “If your pen is fits, do it”. Great sense!!
To those who are saying "nothing" in response to the title, you are definitely right, but just stating "nothing" doesn't further an argument to anyone who is a skeptic. Just saying "nothing" and leaving it at that gives no food for thought against those who may be homophobic for one reason or another, especially those who are on the fence and don't know what to believe. This video is honestly for those who have their doubts; this video confronts just about every single skepticism against homosexuality and debunks them in a respectful and rational way. The way I see it is this: people like you and I came into this video already with the mentality that there's nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian. However, what i think the purpose of this video is truly for isn't for people like us, but those in the middle/questioning who may be right/wrong in the debate of homosexuality being immoral. There are a lot of arguments out there, and though many who came in thinking being gay is wrong still cling to their religious arguments, outdated social norms, and pseudoscience, it's the handful of people who have some seeds planted in their minds to think a little different that makes this video's presence all the more worth while. In the war of attrition that at this point is homosexual acceptance, victory is won one person at a time
Dr. Corvino, I just recently discovered your videos. I began watching, following and listening to you and as a homosexual and practicing Catholic, I'm really pleased with your messages, how you explain controversial homosexual issues, the Bible and myths, among other things. Thank you for what you do and putting yourself 'out there.' I'm in the process myself of becoming more comfortable with myself and being out in general to my family and friends each and every day. As you have mentioned, 'coming out' is a process and yes, it gets easier each time 'you' do it. Thank you for being you. -Danielle
Bible says it's a Sin
God's word is higher then mans word
You are choosing man over God's word
That's not what a man of God should be doing
I love that you only had to quote the video - they didn’t watch did they
@@monkeyandtangerines3621 How do you answer the slavery passages?
I'm so sorry that this video is not in my mother language (Slovak). Actually, I think it should be available in every language in this world. The situation now is making people feel miserable and their fear, hopelessness and anger is being abused and politicians turn it towards LGBTQ people and literally blame us for everything, even the war in Ukraine, just to draw their attention away from real problems. Selfishness, lack of love and understanding.
Most people can straight away see through his queer lies and deception. This video will not help any gaie people who genuinely want to live responsible lives.
@@Possum-010 SHUT UP, rotting scumbag.