John Corvino - What's Morally Wrong with Homosexuality? (Full DVD Video)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2013
- In this widely presented lecture (recorded here in 2007), John Corvino dismantles common arguments against same-sex relationships, including those based on nature, harm, and religion.
And if you like the lecture, you'll love the book!: johncorvino.com/whats-wrong-wi...
Special thanks for subtitle translations:
Czech by David Koranda.
Polish by Stanley Bulski.
Portuguese (Brazilian) by Luiz Henrique Soares Silva.
Spanish by Pedro Michel, Dr. Paula Oliva-Fiori, and Dr. Roxana Zuniga.
Chinese (Traditional and Simplified) by Chen.
Dr. John Corvino is a writer, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. He is the author of What's Wrong with Homosexuality? and the co-author (with Maggie Gallagher) of Debating Same-Sex Marriage and (with Ryan T. Anderson and Sherif Girgis) of Debating Religious Liberty and Discrimination, all from Oxford University Press.
Find the book version here: amzn.to/ZuIF2A.
Read more at JohnCorvino.com.
Q: “what’s morally wrong with homosexuality?”
A: “nothing”
I just saved an hour of your time. You’re welcome.
No the straights need to hear this, all of it!.
Thanks!! But This is worth every second 💖
@@maxlang1967 i think by straights you mean homophobes not straight ppl
@Nick Yeah was about to say the same things
Thanks lol
Naming your son Larry is bad, because if everybody named their son Larry, we wouldn't know who we're talking about.
Lmao
It's more like "being called Larry" because it's not even a choice.
I thought you were talking about the Louis and Harry ship
Did I ever tell you that Mrs. McCave
Had twenty-three sons and she named them all Dave?
dude is logically and articulately reinforcing what everyone has always known. there is only ONE argument against homosexuality: 'thinking about it makes me feel 'icky''. the only logical response is 'i dont care. you are free to not think about it.'
I'm sure you know what makes people feel sick, but, as I keep pointing out . . Some Hetro men do Exactly the same thing with women
@@rolandhawken6628You are part of the problem
@rolandhawken6628 what are the 'obvious' reasons?
@@emraldeyz1 In order to understand the obvious reasons you need to think about how Homosexuals copulate . I can't go into that on here you might be a child .
@rolandhawken6628 Again, that goes to how you feel about that. It has no bearing on it being right or wrong.
Furthermore 'homosexuality' is not a word that existed in the Bible until modern translations and is a combination of two terms derived from both Greek and Latin and only came into use in the 1800s.
Wow. I stumbled across this discourse earlier today. I wish I had seen it 10 years ago. I have lived in fear of judgement all through my life. Excellent speaker. Excellent presentation.
God gave you a conscience and a moral law written in your heart. If you feel guilt, or bad, there is a reason and it is to get away from this destructive behavior. Many homosexuals live a chaste life, because they went to hell in persisting in their ways. It is the guilt that makes homosexuals parade, give talks, the want to be accepted because everybody knows even he that is wrong. A child knows this. Many homosexuals say they knew from a very young age, their way was not normal. There is no way out of this but chastity.
This video is 6years old, how many other people just got it recommended.
Me:)
alpha reaperion Thé Sodomy is the last sign before the complete destruction of a civilization.
@@twnb7733 hahahaha yeah bumsex is the thing that will bring down civilization. Thank you for a good laugh!
The Galvinizer you don’t know that? Why don’t you study some real cases?
The Galvinizer By the way, d9 you have parents, a family when you were young?
When he said our children aren't born unto us it struck a cord in me because LGBTQ people aren't born into a community, we are born alone sometimes into a community hostile to us, It's a scary lonely feeling. My heart goes out to the younger generations struggling to find themselves in a sometimes hostile world. You are not alone.
On the bright side, things are so much better than they were half a century ago. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence, marriage is legal, and the internet and cell phones allow young people to reach out and join on-line communities. We have the Trevor Project, LGBTQ community centers in almost every city, and many programs directed at providing support for LGBTQ youth.
Thank you
Gordon Carscadden you still have ass-backward people like Franklin Graham and his followers, who are clones of the late Jerry Falwell. But the absolute worst of all of them is Pastor Steven Anderson. He preaches homosexuals are rejected by God and beyond redemption and thinks they don’t even think once about turning to him and are horrible people.
@@kevindonohue2912 you forgot 2......trump and pence....aren't they wonderful?
@@jondstewart pastor steven anderson from arizona...needs to come out.....and ...he has been banned from SEVERAL countries for all of his hate speech...just sayin
Wow, as a 72 year old gay man. You actually almost brought me to tears. To hear someone as rational and intelligent as you present the facts with humor and empathy! Every argument is spot on. Everything fits or we make it! Perfect.
I wasnt planning on staying for the whole thing because I'm a busy man, but it was simply fabulous and I had to listen to the whole thing. I'm bi and it was a wonderful dismantling of arguments.
I thought the same thing when I saw that the video was an hour long but that one hour passed by just like that.
Or a wonderful confirmation of your own prejudices.
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
@@Joshiboiy I understand where you're coming from. I am also religious. I suppose we can agree to disagree about the nature of God.
@@Khayyam-vg9fwwhat’s your argument bud? Go on.
It's fine saying I can't do that because of my religion.
It's not okay to say you can't do this because of my religion.
Isa you can do what you like, but just don't think it's Ok with God, the two cannot be mixed, live your way of life if you have to, no one is forcing God on you, you have a choice.
@@annemac8175 Some people don't believe in a higher being, so your argument is still invalid against them.
@@annemac8175 What you just said was an indirect example of what isa just said. Read your words again. Your message was basically saying "you shouldn't do this because my god said so". that's no different than "you can't do this because of my religion"
Anne the scriptures have been interpreted differently as they went through languages over years. The original text was different. The English language has changed over time. Also, I think you should pay attention to one of the things that John said. Whenever a heterosexual person does something horrible, we don’t think of it as reflecting on all heterosexual people, and it’s not fair to say your bad experiences with one gay person reflects on all of them. If someone’s a pervert, they’re going to be a pervert regardless of their sexual orientation. I don’t agree with straight people trying to make gay people straight just as I don’t approve of gay people trying to make straight people gay. And honestly this just drives home the point that we don’t chose our sexual orientation. If I can’t make you gay, then why is it fair to say you can make me straight? And just note that gay people aren’t attracted to everyone of the same gender. And if anything if they’re flirting with you you should be flattered that you’re attractive. The scriptures tell you to be kind to people, and that’s what’s important to me. I am not trying to be rude to you here either. If you’re offended by what I’m saying, then I apologize for that.
@@danial804 \You need to go to the experts who teach the *grammer* of ancient languages and this is what I have done...you are twisting words in the scripture to suit your *sort of desires and ways* straight people also have the dilema of choosing whether or not to commit adultery or not and that sin is alongside the sodomy sin too, so it's not just your lot it's us too. Now regarding your interpretation of man and boy you need to provide us with the wording which states this , I will be waiting... Here is another information, why would a God make somebody gay then forbid them doing the pervert actions....NO God did not create Adam and Steve and as I say you can live your life as you please but just stay away from trying to say that God's OK with that, God loves everyone no matter but He hates sin and straight people won't be getting away with their sins either. I would give my blood to a gay to save his life, rescue him from a burning house fire, it's natural for us to help people in distress but ask me to go to a gay wedding...NO, the scripture says I would be as bad as the gay person's sin and appear to be supporting it. (ST Paul)
I was ready to attack, turns out he is in our side.
Me too😂😂
He's a wonderful guy and an amazing professor! I was lucky enough to have him for one of my courses last year and I'm so happy that I got the chance to learn under him!
aren't you muslim ?!?!
@@Ibrahim-ej2wz
so ?
i am gay and Muslim as well
@@Ahmed-ti8br you shouldn't be telling me that its haram to expose your sins
Oh boy, I just watched this lecture. It is such an important one. The way you tackle all those arguments is just so empowering. It is funny on the other day this sentence popped to my head, and I was thinking to use it on a social media post:" Don´t hate me. Get to know me." I think that fits nicely with your pursue. I went through some of the comments here and noticed the tears in my eyes... Gay community needs to hear this speech! Thank you John and hugs from Finland, Europe!
People say they want to make the world a better place; this man is actually doing it.
I bet you got poppers for that XXL large dildo of barok obama
Often when people who say they want to make the world a better place its by their standards not by world view of love forgiving of limited thought rather do things my way coming from lack.
It's difficult for humans to change their minds next impossible when they have been taught a way and that way being truth for them now here comes a different way.
Oh my God am l confused troubles them.
Forgiveness, patience love to all.
@@catherinepatton8699 I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
@@Joshiboiy I'm sorry that such an empty concept has so much power over you.
"And I'm asking you to judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love" golden line right there
Perfect
I heard a child molester say that once.
Absolutely!
It’s not love, it’s lust, and abominable
My partner have been together for over 38. How many straight people can say that?
Anyone watching this video in 2020?
Dennis Cambly Yes, I’m watching February 07, 2020
Dennis Cambly ummm yeah lol
Yes
Yes
Me. :-)
I needed to see this! As a gay man who didn't come out till he was 42! I was told and raised to believe it is not normal, sin against God, etc.! So I stayed in the closet, even was married twice to women and then divorced! I tried to be what society expected me to be and it almost cost my life! I wouldn't wish my situation on anyone and I hope to spread this video so that some young woman or man will have the confidence or moral courage to be who they are!!! Thank you, thank you John!
You're disgusting
at times like this im glad i realised it too fast
i am a guy born in homophobic country i learned too fast my sexuality and i mean really really fast i wasnt even teenager
however because of my country i was expected to be with a wife
and im really sure i cant make a family if i dont find her attractive sexualy but im happy i learned it fast other wise i would have ended up with multiple women with who i cant really be but for me there is still time ofc
Slavery in their world wasn’t supposed to be like slavery in the USA; but again it is strange that God for some reason would allow certain people to be born an slave for all their lives ( for gentiles... Jews have to be set free in jubilees).
Paul had a thorn in his side that God refused to remove. God said his grace was enough.
Christ says to pick up your cross and follow Him.
I'm sorry for what you went through but Jeffrey Dahmer was who he was and it turned out to be the wrong thing. I am who I am and it is not good. I'm lustful, short tempered, jealous and covetous.
Being proud of anything, especially something as egocentric as "who you are" brings good to no one.
Because of homosexuality one may never know the fulfillment promised by God of being in a fruitful heterosexual relationship and bearing your shortcoming the way Christ wants you to whatever that shortcoming is.
We all walk rocky paths in bare feet but that is not a reason to forsake why you were made and and who you were made for. Jesus loves you and us all. Being a parent has brought that fact so intimately close to me.
I truly wish you the best and hope you find the courage and the heart to walk the righteous path.
Same sex is an abomination. I know you must clearly understand that
Absolutely LOVE this talk. I am heterosexual but have never been able to understand why people and religion has an issue with homosexuality.
Thank you for the clarity you gave here
Thankyou, I'm a gay man and all I want to say is it's not a choice it's who we are it's how we are. I never asked to be gay but have lived with the remarks the sneering and bigotry......I don't flout my sexuality I just try live my life the best I can...
Religions have an issue about it because to them the bible says so, if you truly understand the bible it was written long after Jesus was walking the earth, it has been altered by human hand, it has been added to and passages removed, and the word homosexual was added to the bible in the 60's by a religion. Religion is man made, built on putting fear into people that a man in the sky is going to do something awful if you don't tow the line, in fact the truth is God is an energy/force of love which is present in all nature, (wild flowers, streams, rivers, trees, insects etc), the whole world and universe is made up of that force/energy. Religions/churches also make you believe Jesus had white skin with long blond hair, nothing could be further from the truth.
As a Catholic, it is because we believe God created man and women to become one flesh in marriage. God gave us our sexuality, God also condemned homosexuality. Since God gave us our sexuality and God condemned homosexuality, we try not to use our sexuality against God’s will. I don’t believe Christians are truly homophobic but simply stand up for Christian morality and family values.
@@ryan20652 so where does the values at the very core of Catholicism stand with the prevalent proven homosexual child abuse by individuals that should be best placed to instill the the Catholic values. No matter what religion dictates to its followers being gay is NOT A CHOICE! So therefore one must ask is there something wrong with the genetics of the human species as homosexuality has been around forever, to coin a phrase. after all sex in reality is just about survival of the species. So yet again RELIGION, which is responsible for more trouble, deaths and hatred in the world is involved, Perhaps religions should focus on those issues, I mean you only have to look what's going on in the middle east...ALL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION! People are entitled to their beliefs if it provides them with what the need to be a fulfilled human being. I leave you with last thought....as I stated earlier, being gay is NOT A CHOICE, I certainly didn't chooses to be. So as a Catholic with the beliefs you hold and follow....what would you do if you were Gay, hide it and live a lie because youd be afraid to be yourself,denounce your religion, commit suicide, WHAT?
@@ryan20652the complete void of moral and values that so many religious people have, makes your argument somewhat ludicrous..
it's like when a religious person do the things they complain, condemn and judge others for, they're even unfit candidates, but they still preach about stuff, and what others should or shouldn't do..
some say that judgement is God's work.. but if that was what they believed, why do they even think that they should (or be worthy to) take that role? the double standard adds even more, when they say you should love everyone and that it's wrong to pass judgement.. (i don't know if they don't realise it, or failing to recognise it, or if it's a brain worm of sort, that causes some "holier than" type of superiority complex.. but I know that I don't understand it..)
even if that was your beliefs, what makes that into what's right or wrong? or that that even should be?
when there's so much hypocrisy and double standards, that they even can trip themselves by it, it's mindboggling that they even think, that they are the ones that should be talking about moral and values, or what should be considered right and wrong ..
and if the case actually was that they followed some godly teachings, they wouldn't pick and choose what that was..
but if you didn't understand what he said or talked about, well, you can always watch it again..
Me: Sees the title "I guess I'll hear what he has to say, but there really isn't an argument against homosexuality"
John: Starts talking about how homosexuality is not wrong
Me: He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
I thought the same lol
Yup
I don't even think he was trying to bait like that. He was just asking an honest rhetorical question of his audience. I will admit that I did do the same thing, though.
I clicked on the video fearing the worst, ready to block the channel and ask youtube to NEVER reccomend it again. Thank fucking Dog it wasnt at all what i feared
Same, I'm like "omg I love this man" lol
Ben Shapiro:
*angrily typing*
Haha faxxx😂
What Ben Shapiro would write would certainly be true, whether it was an angry response or not.
Blessed Mother I cant tell if ur joking or not cuz if u r it’s very funny
@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 lol no Ben is just an angry little man that is way too into his imaginary friend
@@st.michaelthearchangel7774 every time i watch him he usually lies and says things that are scientifically not correct but sure
The world should watch this. Thank you John for that awesome lecture, that gives me light for when anyone comes to argue with me again
Just incredible! I'm so lucky with my family and friends to be so understanding. Initially, my parents couldn't handle my sexuality. I found myself in an abusive relationship & that coloured their opinions even more. When that relationship finished they were so pleased for my safety Y freedom - then I met someone else and fell in love with him. When they realised how much in love we are their attitudes changed almost over night. My family adore my David. My Brother has another brother, my Mum loves him like another son, & my father loved him like nobody else. When Dad passed away, we took his ashes to scatter where he loved bird watching as a boy. On the way back down to where we were going to have lunch in a pub, Mum bumped into a group of her friends she hadn't seen for a while. They exchanged pleasantries then my Mum introduced us, my brother, then myself & then Dave. "This is Mark's partner, my other son". I will never forget that moment. Dave's family are the same with me. I don't think I could ever imagine how much love we're surrounded by! I just hope that younger people of our LGBTQ family are finding life easier than we did & their families are just as supportive of them as ours is.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
You are so lucky... I live in the shadows because my family is not as supportive.. and the crazy thing is I live alone... so I shouldn't care right? But somehow I feel I could never bring a partner to a family get together
@@Oscar_239 I feel for you. I know how fortunate I am & I don't take it for granted.
This story made me cry. It makes me hopeful for the future, thank you.
"If everyone was a Roman Catholic Priest, there would be no society either." That is one of the best comeback lines ever.
I'm not so sure this is totally accurate according to the news. True molesting boys won't promote society. Yet all through history priests and popes have gotten nuns and lay women pregnant.
Right?!!!
How so? Catholics expect priests to be celibate. They expect everybody else to procreate. It really doesn't take much to impress you people, does it?
Consider all the things that the priests have been accused of.
@@martincohen8991 Yeah...what about it? They're men....human beings....and as such, are flawed and prone to typical frailties....
the only thing that is morally wrong about any sex is when it's not consenting. as for a person's sexuality, why does someone else's sexuality matter to anyone not engaged in that sexuality? humans are irritating in extremis.
*So as long as there is consent it's perfectly fine? So you believe that incest, adultery, pedophilia and prostitution are perfectly fine. Because all of those can involve consenting parties.*
@@thewriter2634 in pedophilia the child cant consent :|
@@Oscze *I'm aware by law they can't. Technically they can; say you have a 16 year old and a 30 year old who do the nasty, that would be statutory rape which is consensual but it's not recognized by law. There is a difference between the two.*
@@thewriter2634 it's not pedophilia if the person is 16yo
@@morganedelobel7354 *In some states it is.*
Your video title held me away for a few passes, John, as I'm in "the choir" and felt I knew the words to "the song". Just a year ago I had to say "adieu" to my loving partner of 54 years. We met in the seminary, destined to be Catholic missionary priests. Once we fell in love and knew that our vocations had to be outside the church, we felt that living as a couple in a residential neighbourhood would be our way of being the missionaries we hoped to be with a more subtle message of love for all, and an example to the "uninitiated"of love for one of the same sex.
This is just amazing. I'm just sorry it's taken me so long to find this. I can't wait to share it with people I love.
I personally do not agree, I have had homosexual thoughts, but I believe in Jesus. He helps me to not seek pleasure but live a life for God's glory. By believing in him I have not only gotten over homosexual thoughts, but heterosexual thoughts that consumed my mind. Also lying, stealing, and hate for others. Coming to Christ, I realized that nobody's perfect but because of that I could not trust myself. I needed to be forgiven of all sins or I was going to hell. But Jesus lived a perfect life in my place and by believing in him I don't go to hell but have eternal life. God Bless you!
my straight friend's moral opinion on the matter (when this wasn't even a political topic yet) : "sure, you guys should absolutely have the right to be just as miserable as we are !" - I still feel like he nailed it ! :D ))
Nailed it
Starhunter lol if you’re here you’re definitely gay and in denial
@@Ineptatpiano *I'm open to hearing other people's opinions but I still have my personal point of view.*
@@starhunter9085 what does it matter tho?
@@starhunter9085 Okay, same. I apologize for assuming you were a closeted homosexual. People can be sick HIV positive though, or in good health and still miserable. So I found your comment to be slightly insulting.
Have you ever considered that it's harsh judgement that forced gay people to focus predominately on casual, anonymous sex if they wanted any fleeting human contact at all? Since their legitimate romantic interests were not supported by society or their families? Lol. Maybe it's not that gay people are mostly sad because they're gay, but because they're surrounded by self righteous hypocrites who won't love them but also won't allow them to find love?
I'm not going to assume your personal point of view, so may I ask, what is it regarding homosexuality and yourself?
Straight man here, this is one of the best videos I've ever watched. Every word spoken is truth.
True statement
don't be so quick to judge just based on 60 minute video, you need to dive deeper into it's philosophy, history and morality. there are a reason why christian morality are foundation for western society.
@@fronttide Enlighten me.
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 tbh this kind of topic is huge, not something can write on youtube comment. this is something need to be talked for hours with cup of coffee :3
but i'll do my best.
this is merely one part of huge topic, in any society that based their morality on abrahamic religion like cristiany, islam, and judism the existence of "family" is very important for society. and this topic of family is also really huge, but i'll give you one example that actually happen in this world today.
if you see in china few decade ago they implament one family one child policy, and today just how much damage this policy done to chinese society is unimaginable. it's make problem start from 500million old age can't sustain themself due lack of children all the way to spoiled mentality of chinese child that effect the quality of their army.
now imagine this, that kind of damage is done merely by 1 policy in 1 country, what would happen if this homosexuality and transgender become the new normal? when this idea not just minority but become part of common sense. and if this idea become the bane of our future generation few hundred years later? who gonna take responsible for such disaster?
this issue if far more complex than just "let those who love each other be, stop being salty"
@@chrisa.k.a.pandagaybro5778 are you sure that homosexuality are from biological aspect and not culture? are you absolutely sure about that?
i am support of motion that no one should ever get persecuted or put in harm way merely because their sexuality. but i am not support of the motion of this new normal that men can go with both man and woman, and vice verse.
WOW!!! John Corvino is brilliant. Full of heart. Full of conviction. And philosophically sound. He built his arguments on rational strong foundations. I’m so thankful I stumbled across his presentation!
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
I am bisexual and I was kicked out of the house for it. The struggle is real against being accepted for being bisexual.
I'm gay and my oldest brother is gay. Our dad allowed our mother to browbeat, mock, mistreat, and eventually...
throw us both out as soon as possible. About 3 years before he died, my dad told my mother one night that he himself...was bisexual, and he had cheated on her left, right, and sideways for all of those years.
It's been 5 years now since his passing, and I am still puzzled...and ANGRY. I'm angry that my dad allowed his gay sons to be so horrifically mistreated by our mother, knowing full good and well that he, too, had same-sex proclivities. He hooked up with many of my mom's friends, as well as some of their husbands, too. He also picked up hitchhikers and had sex with those guys, too. I actually remember one of those times, because after he picked up a hitchhiker one time, he left my brother and I in a cold car in the parking lot of a bar on a rainy, wet October afternoon while he went inside the bar with this guy and had a drink and oral sex in the restroom of that bar. I know this because he specifically mentioned that incident when he told her about his sexuality. So, yeah...I'm still a bit angry at being ostracized by my mother for being queer, and he stood by and allowed it.
Sorry you had to go through that! I hope you're in a better place.
@@nerdatron817 Thank you, and I'm getting there, slowly; it's a process, of course.
I am so sorry you had that experience of ignorance blinders on loved ones hurts hurts so much hope you are well and are true to who you are.
There is nothing wrong with you our social ills are a killer for so may who live their truth.
Stay strong, not bitter at anyone most of all stay the beautiful person you are.
This is so awful that you were betrayed by your own family like that. They were supposed to love you unconditionally and support you, yet they not just abandoned you but additionally made life difficult for you. I hope for you that you find true love in the world, the unconditional kind, and I applaud you for not abandoning your sense for true and authentic love by not denying your own sexuality.
Tbh quoting the Bible as an actual point is like saying “because I said so” or “because my mommy told me and my mommy is smart”
The difference is that your mom exist and you can prove that
well said.
The bible didnt even really mention homosexuality
@@sunsundks3891
he read the passage IN THE BIBLE that mentioned homosexuality in case you missed it.
saying its not there when its clearly written black on white is a very bad agument.
Uteriel that doesn’t make sense. The word homosexual was coined in 1869 and the last testament was written in 100 AD. There’s no way that the word “homosexual” was mentioned in the Bible. Also the word “homosexual” was mistranslated and actually was meant to say “pedophile”
I thought he was gonna hate, then he started talking and I realized he's smart
He baited the people who actually needed to hear it... Smart
@@Texas-yeehaw The people who needed to hear it didn't listen. They just continued to be homophobic.
@@elliesteele2027 not really. I've used this argument to make people understand. I'm in a rural,deeply religious area. There are a lot of people who are homophobic by tradition, they mimic their parents with out any idea why. And once you make them realize there's nothing morally wrong with homosexuality they can change their mind.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
Luke not because someone has a different opinion than yours means he/she is spreading hate nor does it mean he/she is dumb.
58 minutes felt like five. Absolutely brilliantly done
58 mins is still 58 mins. so what's the summary here?
@@purple54997🥱🤣
Looking through youtube this afternoon, I came across this video by chance and decided to listen. Never heard of this guy (I'm in the UK so perhaps understandable) but he said so much of what I've been thinking for years, although much better and more eloquent. I am not gay/lesbian, or anything like that, but I have worked with gay people and known plenty of gay people in the past. One woman I know has 4 daughters and 2 of them are gay, having children with their respective female partners - probably IVF but I've not asked, it's none of my business. My next door neighbour in 1971/72 was openly gay, at a guess in his 50s. My then husband (we were 19) often popped round to his house for a chat and he once remarked what a good looking guy my husband was. I hope John Corvino is still giving his lectures and in the same way as he does here, showing the absurdity of how some people think and contradict themselves.
Why am i seeing this just now? This has been an empowering moment in my life just listening to this man. The world is a cruel place for gay people and you just made me feel safer through the 57 minutes i used to watch you. This is therapeutic!
I agree with you completely..by the title I thought here we go again..why am I even considering watching this that'll be 58 minutes of my life I can't get back....it was probably the best 58 minutes I've had in 56 years ..and now I think WHY didn't someone give that lecture 60 years ago I feel it will turn the tide for alot of upcoming gays and lesbians though in my 56 years I've seen alot of change taking place for the better
Steve Roberts. I don’t believe in god but you have a good point. I was born a Mormon and I was a Mormon until I was 16. My parents found out I was gay and sent to conversion therapy. Those were the worst years of my life. I was beaten, starved, and spat on. When I turned 18 my parents came and got me from the centre. I told them I was straight just so they wouldn’t send me back. As soon as I got home I packed my bag and ran away. The bible might not condemn homosexuality but it sure as hell don’t condemn hate against our people.
Steve Roberts My hat’s off to you Sir! Well done!!!
Steve Roberts Bless your kind soul. If I may ask, how does one live a life without anxieties after the whole religious harm has been done? I went through the mental issues both external and internal homophobia does to one, and it ended up giving me crippling anxieties especially with regards to my dating life. I want to be free from the anxieties and be happy. Finally I’m in an environment where I am free to be who I am, the rest is my insecurities....How do I shed them off and be proud and happy with who I am?
Steve Roberts Sometimes it seems we know the truth without seeing the power behind it, thank you so much for making me see the power of my truth and how worthy it is. I just took a snapshot of all what you’ve said and will use it just as you have laid them out. I hope to come back in the future to give a testimony of all the goodness I will achieve as a result of this beautiful piece and wisdom you’ve shared with me today. Thank you Steve!!! Thank you!!!❤️🙌🏾
You could absolutely have an all homosexual society. Reproduction would be more of a "take one for the team" affair.
Uh, or some simple artificial insemination and co-parenting
Yeah, that was the case for most of history anyways, if one wants to argue the point. Marriage largely wasn't about spontaneous love developing between two willing parties, til very late in our history, like, within the last 200 years. Prior to that, marriage was a financial and political ploy, to consolidate resources and power. Still is, to a certain extent, though it's not quite as blatant or universal anymore.
Yeah that's true, I've seen real life situations where there is a gay and lesbian couple who worked together to have children and each adopted one to raise as their own.
There is this species of lizards that are all female, they mate with eachother and reproduce with eachother, they're basically the plot of Jurrasic Park, where nature finds a way
or the uh,, whats it called,, something with like sperm donors and stuff
but also if we as a society were all homosexual i'm sure we would evolve to have like reproduction but like with one person?? I don't remember what it's called,,,
I dont remember a lot of things,,,
edit: iTS ASEXUAL REPRODUCTION
Quite frankly, someone's sexual orientation is no one's business but their own.
What an eloquent speech , it touched me every words , the last part was the most powerful , the intelligence of this man is packed in one session for everyone to hear and think about it for a long time to come !
Im not gay
I'm not straight
I'm bi and I am a human just like you.
Nobody cares about what you are what matters is what you do?
Sometimes ppl on Earth have larger agendas than breeding to maintain mankind...
I'm born in God's image. Somebody going to straighten this mankind Earth destruction thing. That kind of fix WiLL be from outside the box of "societies norm"...
@@astroxturbo815 Idiot there is no god
@@astroxturbo815 nobody wanted to hear that, it's the people like you that make religion look bad, you are literally calling this guy an abomination because of his sexual preference. Just because you believe in religion does not mean everyone else has to, so gtfo.
I hope your bigotry boomerangs back onto you
It’s a shame this video hasn’t even cracked a million views. Yes, this is a lot, but this is such a great message and should satisfy all those close minded people. It should be viewed by billions.
David Explorer 😂😂😂😂😂😂, so true.
*I have a rebuttal to pretty much everything he said. He was invalid on a number of topics and I could give a logical debate as to why there is a problem with the rainbow community.*
Starhunter if you mean just the lgbtq “community” as a whole, yes there are a number of problems in it. But that wasn’t what this talk was about. It was about the arguments against homosexuality, not the lgbtq community. But I’d be happy to learn of others opinions, so feel free to speak your mind.
@@danial804 *I don't see the difference between the lgbtq community and homosexuality so you've got me confused there.*
@@danial804 *I just posted a lengthy comment about my rebuttal to his video but UA-cam automatically took it down. Bastards! I'll find another way of wording it so I can tell you about it.*
As a gay older man & got married to a woman when young because of society treated gays 50 years ago! Made a lot of problems for me & my family! Came out at age 46 had to start over to be true to myself! This video is awesome & I appreciate you doing this to help others not make the same mistakes I made!❤
He said "yes they do" with so much conviction in his voice, this is amazing
Idk why this is recommended but dang, I cried 😂 when he retorted "If everyone were a Roman Catholic priest, there'd be no society either." Hahaha
@Steve But by being a Catholic, you go to church and listen to a priest, right? Pagan thing or not, they practice it.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
@@brothertyler Why is celibacy required for priests? Please enlighten me.
@@tyleannulment2234 The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
The celibacies in Roman Catholicism is unbiblical. God tells you to be fruitful and multiply.
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Why are you spiritually blind?
@@tyleannulment2234 CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS
"The more normal it becomes, the more people will be gay"
No, dingus, the numbers don't really change. People just become more open about it the less adversity there is against it.
Ryan Wesemann That’s what he’s saying dingus. The more. Normalized it becomes, the more people will come out, raising the numbers, because a lot of people stay closeted for life.
@@anthonyl.9059
I'm saying this to the stupidity of people thinking that people can just turn gay or straight, moron.
No one will "turn gay" if homosexuality is normalised. Sure, there may be more openly gay people, but the actual number will stay the same. The only number that really changes is that the number of people living in fear and oppression will decrease and I have no idea why people are opposed to that. (Also soz for using gay as a summary for all LGBT its just easier to write and sounds better lmao.)
Dumbass, that's exactly what I am saying.
No one turns gay or straight. You either are or you are not. You can change who you are with, but you can never change your feelings towards people, and that is the deciding factor.
@@thehowlinggamer5784 I mean they can, I did. But it doesn't happen over night. A straight person can start to have different interest and get curious is what I mean
I would be interested to hear any anti-gay person come up with a coherent and cogent argument against the points he addressed.
Brilliant! Genius! AND last but not least FINALLY!
Thank you John!
This lecture should be incorporated into the Senior High School curriculum. In addition with the evidence coming out (sic) about the biological scientific evidence coming through and how it is also related to " population control " within families, and so on and so forth. You have made my day with your insight. Keep fighting the good fight, John.
This is a very educative lecture and eye opening for me as a Muslim.
@Maimunat Lasisi - I’m glad to hear that. Just don’t let religious people cloud your judgement now that you have been educated.
@Iman F
I am born into Muslim Family
I Appreciate what you wrote
Thank You 💕
GOD Bless You 😇
Maimunat Lasisi I thank you on the behalf of the community. it’s very brave of you to question your beliefs and admit that you might have been wrong. It’s really difficult for a lot of people to do just that and some become very defensive although they themselves feel like they’re in the wrong. Glad you’ve made some insight :)
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@Jake M try reading his comment again
John--I am a gay man in my early 70's and have heard so much hate against us people over the years. I feel it's because they just don't understand what love is really all about...nor do they care to understand. But I can honestly say that your speech is THE BEST ONE I have ever heard about Gay people. You should be very proud because you presented your case and backed it all up with fantastic knowledge. Well done and thanks so much for educating all those who needed to be able to better understand us Gay Folks. You're a HERO in my book.
Well said.
Well said
I have to agree. At 75, my life has been at times awkward, exacerbated by being born Catholic and a survivor of priest abuse. Bt I held to my beliefs, created my own comfort zone, and expanded upon that in college when I found myself in NYC and at the Stonewall rebellion. I find it sometimes sad that we are continually having to stand our ground, especially in the wave of republican political attacks. This lecture should be required curriculum in all high schools. Thank you for being so clear and timeless.
Sorry, you had to experience all the hate...all due to ignorance...grew up Catholic and went to church for 30 years...in my 30s I started to feel as if I were wearing a mask because I couldn't speak about supporting homosexuality...finally, I stopped going to church...my voice has found the loudest possible volume about educating my kids (students 6-19yrs.) and adults (when I do see any)...times are really changing...being open and positive about sex is the only way to protect the vulnerable...how can people make the right choices if they aren't even taught...sex isn't wrong, abuse is...i only go by acceptance and vigilance...
@@jackstrubbe7608 sorry about your pain...blindly protecting priests is one of the reasons I stopped going to church as well...I tell my young students that sex isn't wrong but abuse of the vulnerable is...I'm trying to educate them better than I was (I mostly learned through reading)...though I do tell my young ones to wait until they really understand what they are going to do...I have never been interested in relationships and now am exploring the possibility of being asexual...young people are becoming more knowledgeable though we have to keep working to educate them positively...wish you happiness and peace...
Excellent lecture!! Thank you! A lot more people need to hear this.
Love how you presented this...wish the people who really need to see it would actually watch it!🤞
YAY, Bisexuals!! Messing up people's neat categories!
*You mean causing heterosexual women to be more prone to STDs especially HIV/AIDS.*
@@thewriter2634 No I was discussing stereotypes and there are a few that could be applied to heterosexual women and men who are more prone to STDs. But that would be a completely different different subject to what I was referencing.
@@Stardreamer90 *Alrighty then* 👍
😂
@@thewriter2634 As if straight people don't have STD's and lie about not having them.
I only wish we had this kind of speaker and acceptance when I was growing up. The world is way far from perfect, but it is a little better now.
jeffrey a better? Why? Because the world is conforming more to your lifestyle? Even if half of the world became gay, it does not make it right.
@@godallowsuturns679 U need to get a life. U see, when you are a kid and have ill informed, stupid people such as yourself saying the dumbest things to you, you are vulnerable. The thing is that some of us grow up and realize we don't have to take this shit from you anymore. What are you so afraid of? Us corrupting YOUR perfect world? Who died and made you king?
True Jeffrey, but we still have a LONG way to go before it is commonly accepted like heterosexual people are.
@@godallowsuturns679 You are just wrong, you can have your life your way, but we can't? How is that fair, and the main reason that we HAVE to shove our lives into your face, is because you still hold onto old-fashioned ways of thinking. Just like slavery, and segregation was a thing of the past, so too should homophobia, biases, and ignorance. How we live our lives, (and it's NOT a lifestyle) shouldn't be regulated by people with your type of thinking. Should we be segregated because of they way that we live and love? Thinking like this leads to similar actions that took place in the 1930-1940's by a group of people who thought the same way, and it lead to WWII and the holocaust. We won't let that happen to us again, and to other people simply because of who they love. Also, you have a right to hold on to your beliefs, but when you try to force them on other people, you no longer are a human being, but more like a dictator making sure that your way is the only way. You say that you're "not afraid of you guys multiplying, or your life is in no way being "corrupted" by our choice to be gay", but by your statements and your reactions, you are afraid of something about homosexuals, or homosexuality in general, if you weren't, you wouldn't have commented the way that you have to me and to Jeffery A. Especially your comment to me, "hopefully never", that's more hateful than just not being afraid.
One more thing: please stop comparing yourself to the holocaust or slavery. You are way off topic with that. You are in no way a victim. They suffered horribly for a cause. You chose this mess!
Great speech, I know this was 10 years ago but it needs to be shown in 2023 with what's happening now.
52:52 This actually brought tears to my eyes. Whenever I meet a queer kid, I feel such a strong sense of responsibility over them. No matter who they are, just knowing this kid is gay like me makes me fee like I am in some way a big brother. I'm sure when I'm a bit older I'll feel more like a father to them. I want to do everything I possibly can to protect gay kids, and this talk in some way helps me know why. Aside from how minorities are stuck together by their minority status, gay people as a group generally do not get to have their own kids. Our people can be born anywhere to anyone.
YOU GET ITTTTTT!! Same for me but I'm an older sister instead:D
You know this is 7 years old when he says “those Bluetooth earpiece things”
This guy is a very talented speaker, I have never heard anyone speak so clear. Everyone was engaged. If we could all apply his thinking and balanced arguments in our lives I realty think the world would be a lot better off.
Agree, we can change our view of many things it takes a.will plus love we as humans are able to change when we are educated have facts ad friends helping us to see difference is OK, its good we learn to change by knowing differences.
I’ve listened to so many programs on this complex subject. John is by far and away the most erudite and persuasive presenter I’ve heard dealing with all of the issues involved in sex and religion. Thankyou John.
Outstanding! Your book sales are about to skyrocket. Well, by at least three from me. Bravo, sir! 👏👏
UA-cam recommendations: “Why Homosexuality Is Morally Wrong”
Me: wtf UA-cam you tryna convert me??
Not "Why it is" but "Why is it?" as in a question. This man is arguing why it isn't.
@@dragonfiire8148 Yeah, I was confused for a second by the title so I came to the comments. I wasn't going to watch 58 minutes of someone spewing nonsense and cherry-picked biblical quotes in order to tell me that I am wrong for being who I am. There is no scientific basis on which one can say homosexuality is wrong.
@@jazzylev Same over here. Although it is sometimes fun to hear how stupid and ignorant they sound as they make the same arguments over and over. Glad this video isn't another one of those.
DragonFiire True, some of the stuff they say is downright hilarious.
@@jazzylev u probably did not watch the video. stop misusing the word ignorant snowflakes
This is ten years old, and it's still necessary. NECESSARY! It's SO INFORMATIVE, and SO reasonable. Thank you John!
Its ALSO very reasonable to think his Mother was also a gay guy, and his father was a straight or gay guy, and they had anal sex (Sodomy) together and conceived him; both males contributing the Y chromosome, so there were no XX (female) chromosomes to form the fertilized egg, and that's why he was born a Male (Y chromosome) and not a girl (XX chromosome). Very Reasonable! Thank you John!
@@karstensbran1751 what are you on about lmao
@@karstensbran1751how are you so stupid yet so confident saying stupid shit?
@karstensbran1751 no one is saying homosexual people can reproduce with each other. Let go of your hatred.
this is 16 years old, it was recorded in 2007
Thank you so much for the value created through that talk. It was exceptionally well done!
This was an excellent talk. This speaker covered all the bases in a very enlightening and entertaining way.
*reads title*
Me: here's your answer. Nothing.
@Marieluise Horne e x a c t l y
Just saying "nothing" isn't an argument, though...this video lays out the arguments against the "It's morally wrong" cries. Just saying nothing will put you in a volley of "It's wrong!" "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" I prefer my stances I take to have a little backbone. Even though we know that there IS nothing wrong...you are correct!
If you are ever curious as to why "No" is the correct answer, you should watch this video.
Because it's a gay man explaining why homosexuality isn't immoral.
Well some people just don’t like gays like me I don’t do bad things to them I just ignore them because I want nothing to do with them
And you are sadly false
I think ignorance is an aspect too. While I was still closeted I worked at this place. Their was this younger guy that was openly gay. One of our shift leads said "I don't have a problem, but how can he know he's gay, he told me he's never had sex with a woman” I thought that's just ignorant. So I said to him "have you ever had sex with a man" he said "no of course not" so I said "then how do you know your not gay"
Sheldon C this is a great example of double standards surrounding people who aren’t straight/cis and it’s honestly kinda ridiculous at this point. It is nice to see their reaction when you expose their double standard though.
Hahaha, it's the "ignorance" of the word of God that's the problem, you 'think" your limited lifespan "opinion' is above God's law and that is your "problem" you'd better take a look at a graveyard God has always had the "final" word and he clearly said same-gender sex is a sexually immoral sin he does not accept Jude 1:7, 1 Cor 6:9-11, Rev 21:8-10...😊😊😊😊
@@armymanssg508 ...which would be significant if the Judaeo-Christian God wasn’t the embodiment of sin himself, who, amongst other stuff, has committed genocide; operates using actively racist ideals; murdered children; intervened in the sanctity of a married couple’s sexual relationship, preventing them from consummating by raping the virginal female; and he seems to think it’s reasonable to punish a finite amount of sin with an infinite amount of suffering. Like, basically, God is a massive fucktard and a 3 at the most.
Hahaha, have you ever heard of sovereign right? You created nothing in the universe, you don't control a thing in the universe, you don't know long you will live, you don't know when you will die, nor can you stop your death, and yet you have to STUPIDITY to "think" you can judge God, Rom 9;10 But who are you, O man to tell God what he should do.
I'm not going to entertain your foolishness cause you are one lost soul and you're in for a hell of a shock when the truth is revealed...😊😊😊😊😊
Hahah, you'd better take a look at a graveyard cause God said "fucktards' like you will die and there's nothing you can do about it, what worse for you is he also said "fucktard" like you won't have eternal life but will be cast into hellfire and destroyed for being "fucktards" Rev 21:8-10...Sovereign right baby, you have none...😊😊😊😊😊
Very Strong and Very Right! A+ Lecture from John Corvino. Thank you John !!!🌈
This is one of the best lectures I have heard in a long time and it is also one of the most important. Thank you for your this wonderful work. I wish it wasn't so relevant still, but boy is it.
Man-made religion/bible has nothing to do with why homosexuality is wrong. Homosexuality is unnatural for humans and goes against the laws of nature. Nature created males and females, the sexual binary for humans, in order to mate for sexual reproduction, procreate new offspring to propagte the human species. Homosexuality is a dead-end because two sperms, two eggs, two men, and two women can't make a baby. Only male sperm and female egg, the binary oppsites, the heterosexuals can make babies. Gay men have to use the opposite sex, a real, authentic, biological woman with eggs, and Lesbian women have to use the opposite sex, a real, genuine, biological man with sperm to make babies. Only males and females can make babies. Homosexuality is a dead-end.
Gay sex is unnatural for humans. The digestive tract was never designed by nature to be used for sex. Nature designed the digestive tract for nutrition and to expel fecal wastes POOP!. The rectum tears, Rips, bleeds, easily traunatized by penetration and rectum is very porous organs. Anal sex causes bleeding, tears, trauma, rips, anal fissures, loss of anal sphincter tone, fecal incontinence, infections, STDs, and Gay Bowel Syndromes.
Any lower animal you find in the wild that dies this DOES not know better and are not intellifent like humans. Humans are the most intelligent animal on planet EARTH . HUMANS know better and that the digestive tract was NEVER designed for sex. The digestive system should never be used for sex.
Transgender is another dead-end and not natural for humans. Yes, clownfish, snails, and earthworms have Hermorphodite (transgender), but nature made them that way. Clownfish do not hire plastic surgeons, take puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, body modification surgery, and get mutilation genital surgeries.
Only humans unnaturally block a child's puberty, which is mandatory, normal healthy human development of the brain, body, and reproductive system to become a mature, full grown adults.
Nature created sex for the sole purpose of creating babies, which is why when people have SEX they use birth control pills, condoms, contracrptives, take morning after pills, and sadly get ABORTIONS. NATURE DESIGNED SEX TO MAKE BABIES.
If homosexuality and transgender was genetic, then all that would have disappeared by now. Two men and two women can't make a baby. Therefore gay couples can't pass on their gay genes to their gay offspring. LGBTQIA are all sexual behaviors and social constructs, NOT genetic and not NATURAL.
"Homosexuality is unnatural for humans and goes against the laws of nature."
Homosexuality is natural and there is no such thing as laws of nature.
"Nature created males and females"
Nature created nothing. It's not a sentient being.
" in order to mate for sexual reproduction, procreate new offspring to propagte the human species"
Sex is not to be summed up to procreation.
" Homosexuality is a dead-end because two sperms, two eggs, two men, and two women can't make a baby."
Irrelevant, they can raise babies, and their relationship is as valid as any other.
"Gay sex is unnatural for humans."
It's natural.
"The digestive tract was never designed by nature to be used for sex."
The penis is the end of the digestive tract for urine and yet we use it for sex, try again.
"Anal sex causes bleeding, tears, trauma, rips, anal fissures, loss of anal sphincter tone, fecal incontinence, infections, STDs, and Gay Bowel Syndromes. "
Anal sex does not cause any of those things. Bleeding, tears, trauma, rips, anal fissures, loss of anal sphincter tone is when it's prepared poorly or is too rough. Infections, STDs are when it's unsafe, which ALSO applies to heterosexual sex. Gay bowel syndrom is a myth.
"All those homosexual animals you mentioned do not know better, or not smart and not intelligent."
Sex is not about being smart or intelligent.
" HUMANS are the most INTELLIGENT animals on planet earth. "
No they're not. We contaminate, discriminate and elect toxic people to run entire countries. I don't call that being intelligent compared to other animals which do not do that.
"HOMOSEXUALITY ALWAYS GIES AGAINST NATURAL LAW, biology, physiology, anatomy, histology AND the LAWS OF NATURE."
There is no such thing as "natural law" ; homosexuality exists in nature ; it doesn't go against biology, physiology, anatomy or histology (whatever that is).
"CASE CLOSED. "
You do not decide that.
"Two men, two sperm, two eggs, two women, AND SELF-sterilized transgrnder people CAN NOT MAKE BABIES. "
Irrelevant. Menopaused women can't have babies, that's not why menopause is wrong.
"The laws of nature state "You must have two people of the opposite sex to make babies." "
Nature disagrees, starting by parthenogenesis among certain species. And nature did not state any of that until you bring a record of it stating that.
"You Cant make a baby in the anus, rectum or digestive tract."
Irrelevant. Sex is about pleasure.
"Sex change surgery means you are still a real man or woman."
No, it means trans men are men and trans women are women.
"An inverted penis is not a vagina."
IRRELEVANT. It's the identity gender that prevails.@@LifeLiberty-rn6bq
"Nature created sex for the sole purpose of creating babies"
No, it's for PLEASURE.
"Transgender is another dead-end and not natural for humans."
It's not a dead-end and it is natural. Once again, trans people are not sterile.
"If homosexuality and transgender was genetic, then all that would have disappeared by now."
There is such thing as recessive genes, and procreation by homosexuals.
"Therefore gay couples can't pass on their gay genes to their gay offspring."
Just because they're gay doesn't mean their offsprings will be.
"LGBTQIA are all sexual behaviors and social constructs, NOT genetic and not NATURAL."
They are NATURAL, not social constructs or mere behavior, and it doesn't even need to be genetic.
This video is almost 7 years old and I only got it recommended now
"I'm asking you to judge people not on whom they love, but on whether they love." - John Corvino
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Truth If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
rip asexuals lol
@@Potato-ko3oc Asexuals still love people, just not sexually (nice pfp and name btw)
He could have a successful career writing the slogans for Hallmark Cards or stories for the Care Bears.
Your gay life is more important to you than your relationship with God. The Bible says Lying, gossiping, sex outside of marriage, stealing, pride, hatred, jealousy, greed etc are sins. the list is long. Let's say my sin is pride. If I tell God I'm willing to put my relationship with him above my pride. You are defending your sin. Go for it. You really don't need to do these lectures to justify your sin. Keep it up. Your relationship with God and willingness to do HIS will bring joy & love & peace.
Some dude will never give you that.
I truly enjoyed your lecture. A fantastic and meaningful one. I stand with you.
Excellent lecture! Loved it! Thank you for your insights 🙏
THANK YOU!! If I had heard this as a boy, I don't think I would have spent my whole life hating myself. The catholic church taught me to hate myself. In third grade of public school, they showed us a Public service announcement about the horror of homosexuality. For my entire childhood, I thought of my self as a monster whose secret must never be told.I am 70 years old now. Your words help me love myself.❤
I am happy you found some peace here. I’m sorry you suffered for so long.
Hope this helps If you are gay or transgender or know someone who is, this is important information! It has been determined that sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetal development. Various hormones such as testosterone are introduced at specific times & amounts which determine physical, biological & psychologic features of the fetus. It is, therefore, not a choice by the fetus or mother & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural path of life’s evolution & found commonplace in nature. Extensive medical research clearly explains this process. Those who believe it is an abomination do so based not on facts but on religious authority. I totally accept that this is their right to believe this and I understand. It must be made clear however, it is based on religion not science. If you are truly interested in the truth based on knowledge, facts & research, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay explains this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for others & yourself, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had, unfortunately, no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book if you want solid factual understanding. If you chose to respond to me, please read this book &/or the numerous articles referred to in the reference section beforehand. I do not want to waste your or my time if your claim to understanding is based on religion. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance & intolerence. Peace
The Catholic Church taught everyone to hate themselves😁 but yes, gay people that much more.. They also taught straight people to hate gay people.. I too wish desperately they had never had the impact on society's lives that they did.. Its shameful and to say it's in God's name too.. The same God that created us "imperfect" selves.. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm happy that finally you have learned to love and accept yourself Sir.. We're not so different, I'm finally learning that too.. 💚
@@deus_vult8111 WTF?
@@deus_vult8111 correct the catholic church does not teach anyone to hate themselves on the contrary it teaches us to love God and love ourselves our neighbours. Those who are Christians ✝️ and allow homosexually they are hipocrits going against God's Divine Law 🙏. At the end of the day God loves sinners but detest sin, so repent and be respectful and accept Jesus as your Saviour. The devil attacks God with his most vulnerable side which are his children YOU AND I, as God created us as his own image, satan wants to destroy us and Jesus wants our salvation. JESUS THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE.
My son grew up in a conservative church from age of 2 to teen years !! He is gay !! Proving that being gay is NOT a choice but, the way you feel !!! I am SOO proud of him !! I don't care who he marries?? Just as long as he is happy !!! he is a GREAT kid !!! I am blessed !!! Sinners have no right to name sinners when they are sinners themselves !!! ❤🧡💙💚🖤 🏳🌈
Parents are supposed to be that place where a child finds refuge, understanding, and love. So many LGBTQ kids don't get that and have no choice but to feel fear of rejection from the ones that are supposed to protect them the most. Thank you for being what a parent should be!!
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
@Boris You do not speak anything reasonable. Your god does not exist. I am happy without your god. Your extreme arrogance will be your end.
@Boris I am infinitely more reasonable and smarter than you ever will. Every comment you find new ways to make yourself even more stupid and toxic.
@Boris I'm starting to get curious about why all of your multiple personalities are obsessed with gay men. Are you just mad because your daddy is upset that you're gay?
Absolutely love what he said. He’s so right. I’m definitely with you on all that you have said. What a great show. Like how you explain the reality of it all. Thank you.
As a 51 year old gay orphan, your words about our children not being born unto us, gave me a very different look at life in general. I'm at a point in my life, where I'm still questioning how and where I fit in, and what, if anything, am I going to leave behind? This has certainly given me a different focus. And, for that, I'm overwhelmingly grateful.
The issue of where you fit in is a real one. The only practical answer to that is, you fit in anywhere you are accepted. Go where you are treated best.
As far as what you will leave behind, I wouldn't worry about it. Most people don't leave anything behind. Even if you have children, your children are likely to ignore whatever it is you want them to do or believe and then go on to do or believe whatever they want anyway. Probably most of your ancestors would be shocked by your lifestyle but the main question there is, do you really care about that? You have rejected their values, as you should! So what did they really "leave behind"?
In my own life before I came out gay and afterward, I noticed the same dynamic: people who are upset about my sexuality are freaked out over what they THINK I do. Politicians and religious leaders who are freakishly anti-gay OBSESS about gay sex.
AH WAIT I RELATE TO THIS SO MUCH
What does the bible really say on the LGBT community go to my channel and watch my latest show
@@brotheresquire2776 Who cares what the bible says? It can say what it wants, but at the end of the day, it ain’t making any damn sense.
@@dumpydapillow8519 you care
They care more about gay sex than most gay people 💀🤚
Love how funny and sophisticated he is.
I love your profile pic
What does the bible really say on the LGBT community go to my channel and watch my latest show
This is beautiful, thank you.
I stumbled across this most unbiased, informative presentation I’ve ever seen and heard on the subject of morality and Homosexuality. Simply brilliant!
*Not as brilliant as you may think. I have a rebuttal for everything he said. He left out some major details on certain topics.*
Starhunter Ok. Are you insinuating that you believe homosexuality is immoral from the oh-so-moral high ground of which is the likes of your profile picture?
@@MrShyguyRS *Yes I am actually. And what's wrong with my profile pic?*
Starhunter if you don't know, you have no business arguing the morality of any topic. At least not without first writing a paper on morality in general than rethinking your stance on everything.
he was awesome, he was unbiased and faced the facts and what is actually true in society! He didn't pick sides, but simply analyze points against homosexuality with valid arguments!
I have resisted looking at this video for months every time it shows up on UA-cam “suggestions” because I thought it would be another evangelical/fundamentalist diatribe. I’ve heard enough of those! But today I thought I’d watch for a few moments so I could add a comment like “what a load of shit” etc. Boy was I surprised even after the first minute had elapsed. Here is a cogent, well presented exposition of the facts. Maybe the title is confusing and many will avoid as did I. Perhaps if it was titled : “is homosexuality morally wrong or not?” Or something like that I would have watched it much earlier than I actually did. THIS PRESENTATION IS FLAWLESS AND VALUABLE for both gay and not-gay people. An ELEVEN out of ten from me!!!!
I think the title is good, it might attract the people who would be against the LGBTQ+ community, and expose them to this. I actually thought the same thing you did when I saw the title.
Tiktaalik from a marketing standpoint it is definitely designed to attract the most important audience it wants to inform.
I think the title is supposed to be like, "gay people are morally wrong!" "ok, but, what's morally wrong with gay people?" Do you know what I mean? It's kinda like asking, ok what's wrong with gay people? Idk if I explained that well, but that's kinda how I interpret it haha I do see how it can be interpreted the way you did, though.
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@@tabby21dreams33 hey buddy are you okay?
When your dream is to be a comedian but your parents want you to be a philosopher
This was clear, rational, and well articulated. Thank you for this presentation.
2020. This is quite possibly the most important and thorough presentation on the subject. Thank you. From the Philippines.
*I have a rebuttal for everything he said. He was wrong on so much in this video.*
The Writer “Because the Bible said so...”
@@2026Johndoe *No, because science said so.*
@@thewriter2634 bro......we know like 1% os science let's be honest. Don't try to sound smart
The Writer idk what science you thinks disproves this 🥴 literally so many scientific studies that prove the validity of homosexuality 😳 so please explain what about science is anti gay
What is truly sad is that there are people in the comments who didn’t listen to a single word he said. They came here to bash on people who just want to be free to love, just because they don’t like the way we love.
And if one of y’all replies to me with a bs religious argument, just know that I feel really sorry for you. You are in a belief system in which you will never allow yourself to question your holy book or your preacher (or to even use reasoning), because that would be a sin. I would like to say that when I realized that I am gay, I was disgusted and cried and prayed every night to become straight. Of course, it didn’t work, because a loving god would not create me to be this way just to condemn me for loving someone. I hope that you religious anti-gay people can find love and understanding in your hearts.
I'm Weird
I will say I thought this was going another route and instantly disliked... the title looked like it was going to be Christian propaganda.
Ya I'm literally just replying "what the video again" cuz they're dorkesus who can't be bothered to listen for an hour
Thank you for this comment. I can relate alot with what you said. It's comforting to know people like us are not alone.
They’re perhaps just scared the man’s argument will make sense
Love and sex are different things, Weirdo.
Great argument. This popped up on my feed and I listened to the whole thing (which is rare for me.) I respect that it's coming from a place of reasoning and logic, which I appreciate.
Not sure if this is a lecture or a stand up routine but im here for it eitherway
Guy talking: “Sometimes I fantasize about pulling out a sword and chopping off their ear”
Me: We are the same soul in different physical being
Pulling out a sword I've felt that
Agreed
It feels like sword when you are having butt buggering,so I have been told ,from the gay guys mouth to my ear
@@dixieblonde2208 cool fact, buddy! 🌟
And then Jesus came along and healed it.
What's Wrong With Homosexuality? Absolutely Nothing! and I'm 73, and I have always accepted everyone.
@Gary Lee Or maybe "gay guys" decide to "announce" their sexuality to people so they can learn and not be so politicised, and so the newer generations don't have to be in fear of their life for holding their lovers hand. I do love how your arguments, like many's, are based off of ignorance and generalisations but disguise themselves as morality and fairness. They don't want to be "some sort of hero", they just want to be able to live without constantly fighting with themselves and living in self-hatred. Arguments like yours are a large reason as to why the suicide rates, hate crimes, discrimination etc. are so high even in a society where everyone deems themselves as having perfect moral judgement. People with strong opinions but don't have any facts or examples usually are just showing a lack of knowledge in regards to the topic at hand. Have a good day.
Gary Lee “Equality often feels like oppression for those with privilege”. Also your belief that gay people are famous because they’re gay opposed to talented in many cases is hilarious, also are you implying that gay people couldn’t cure cancer where a straight person could? Being openly gay doesn’t mean you’re less than someone who’s straight and if you disagree with that you’re hilarious man. Also “projecting self hate into everyone around you” what? I think what you’re getting at is “overcoming the stereotypes and close minded people and projecting your efforts outwards, to help other people struggling instead of slowly killing your metaphorical self”. What have you got against gay people lmao, idk if you think every gay guy is James Charles or something idk lmaooooo
Steve if you cannot move past the European colonial concepts that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, you will never accept people. Tolerate, sure, but accept is difficult. You could agree to disagree, but you’ll never be able to support someone doing something that you hate. You can ignore it, but you can’t accept it.
Brad It started as a riot. It continued as a protest. I’m sorry it’s not a family friendly, PG, fun day out. It’s about embracing who you are. Of course, people should be mindful there will be children, but at the end of the day it IS a protest. And people need to realise it’s not just a fun day out with glitter and rainbows, and they’re not suitable for children a lot of the time. Also that stuff isn’t absurdly common like people think, that’s on media distribution, but it’s not aimed at children and it won’t ruin society. People thought the internet would ruin society. People thought given women the vote would ruin society. What people should be doing is being less terrified and pessimistic. It’s a celebration of difference, and a protest. You cannot celebrate difference, but limit the difference. If you research pride for 5 minutes that’s blatantly obvious.
@@thatguyben7754 To be blunt: Celebration of men sticking their dicks into each others assholes. You should really visit these pride parades sometime. Disgusting. But transformation will come.
Entertaining and logical! Loved it! Thank you, John.
Wow! What a powerful, intelligent, eloquent man! What a powerful talk!
I wish i have seen this a longtime ago, would help me a lot to get to accept my identity. its kind of therapeutic.
You're right, this is one of the most eloquent speeches on the topic. I hope you can accept yourself now, you're worth living your truth.
@@arijanitrexhepi2215 dude, stop being toxic!
@@brad8448 it's literally science! Stop being ignorant and update your religion to the 21st century. Humans and society evolve, we're not stuck in the dark ages anymore.
@@fardareismai4495 Science doesn't determine morality God does. Read his holy word. Study History. Rome fell, Greece fell, they collapsed because their morals collapsed. Homosexuality and transgenderism are just signs that this society is declining. But there is Hope in Christ who will prevail on this Earth. Trust him.
@@brad8448 knowledge, compassion and common sense determine morality. I do not accept a reformer of the Jewish religion as my divine saviour, he was not. This kind of mentality discourages critical thought and personal freedom, making people into sheep without a mind of their own. There's nothing wrong with religion, but as soon as you start vilifying other people's identities, preferences and way of loving, I lose all respect for you and the way you use religion. People outside of the cisheteronormative standard just means that our laws are becoming more just, our respect for individuals is growing and we are able to cope with diversity better, which is vital to society. So no, I won't trust a glorified preacher, sorry.
Very clever title of your video. It turned out to be a very different message then what I expected. I came late to an appointment because I just wanted to finish watching your message. Your speech was one I will save in my favorites. I have forwarded it to quite a few people, and I’m sure you don’t mind I’ve used many parts of it in discussions. I want to congratulate you on your work.
Thank you !
Greets from Brussels,Belgium❤❤❤
excellent! ... and John speaks beautifully - not one grammatical error, not once - such a pleasure there alone - I hope many watch this video - he has much to teach us
Thank you for your information and understanding. Very helpful❤
We need more intellectual lectures combined with stand up comedy.
I find that when you use comedy, people are more willing to listen and understand.
@@Ratigan2yeah, cause the speaker doesn't take themselves too seriously and he feels closer to the public
Contrapoints
@@BeneficialCuts They haven't uploaded anything in a while either, have they?
@@Mark73Your point being? Is this a little above your head, or does it just make too much sense?
> Video upload date: Jul 9, 2013
> Video recommendation date: July 23, 2020
Ok UA-cam.
But in all seriousness, I really like this video
Awesome video, thank you.
So true, and well stated. Thank you for this.
The fact that this doesn't even have at least 5 million views bothers me lol
Ikr
Same!
The fact that this doesn't have more dislikes bothers me.
@@brad8448 because homophobia can't win, stay pressed ;)
Brad the fact that you’re bothered by a logical unbiased presentation of why love isn’t wrong bothers me. :)
“If everyone was gay there would be no humanity” “if everyone was a POTATO there would be no humanity. But everyone is not a potato just as everyone is not gay, young grasshopper”
-Lilly Singh
genuinely my favourite quote of all time
@@Nightmare-nc8eb "a village child neglected by it's people will burn the village down to feel it's warmth"
*The reason people say that is because of the objective standard for sex existing and what nature had intended for us. If nature intended for us to be gay, we should be able to survive on it but we can't. Therefore we can assess that being gay isn't nature's intended plan.*
.@@starhunter9085 And yet where do gay people come from? You got it, those wonderful straight people>
@@Taragon630 *So do murderers, rapists and thieves so...*
Ik ben nu 77 en herken zoveel van wat John Corvino vertelt. Misschien is de situatie in Nederland niet helemaal te vergelijken met de USA in 2007, maar inmiddels is het in de USA eerder slechter geworden dan toen. En deze lecture geeft goede argumenten om te gebruiken als je weer eens hoort, ook van goedwillende mensen, dat het "tegenwoordig toch veel beter gaat met de gays". Inderdaad, John Corvino zegt het, het is beter te vragen "whether you love than whom do you love.
This is great! Wish everyone would watch this!
I don't have any gay friends .I just haven't meet any.
And then I found out there is a certain procentage in every population that it is gay.And I did the math, ant it shows I probably have a friend or two who is gay, but he/she is hidding that .
And that just ...sad ...imagine the pain of living a duble life , not really alow yourself to be who you are , even among friends...That's a FRIEND of mine, someone I care about, someone I want to be happy..
That's why gay ppl should be open about it.Because maybe that friend that I do not know that is gay would gather some courage to be who he is, if he sees other doing it , and improve her/his life in this way.
thank you for this comment :)
+jenn brown Very true
spoken like a true worthless Christian.......
Rolie Ester worthless ? that's a bit harsh.
have you studied religion to know on what grounds they hold their views about homosexuality & morals ?
of have you just jumped onto the senseless name calling bandwagon , without understanding.
And just believe the common progay stance that this unlearned man John Corvino claims to know about the bible?
I have studied religions in the best Universities to tell you well enough "YOU" and most religious "FREAKS" don't know or have the slightest clue what "YOU" think you know. You read the bible in "Literal" form making "you" and people like you "very" dangerous religious/christian persons. The original scripts were not written in literal form which is why only the scribes, Rabbi's or priests read them. They were not made to the public because they were difficult to understand. They were written in poetic form. The bible was a very dangerous book then as it is even more dangerous today. Even more so today. In ancient times god was so subdivided by over 400 gods. Today-LMAO Christianity and other religions (non-Christians) have subdivided god even more. God is like an oak tree only with "NO" true name. Calling god -god is like calling a dog...... a dog. There are only 3 types of "Christians" in this world we live in today. 1) the "TRUE" Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. They "actually" live out their lives Christ like. And you don't need a bible to do that. Simple common sense instead of "STUPIDITY, GREED AND HATE"! In the bible when Christ spoke his last words on the cross or tree.. so many different stories: they were "LOVE EACH OTHER THE WAY I HAVE LOVED YOU"! There were "NO"exceptions or buts in the statement. Except for the KJV of the bible. Which is not even a bible It's a book of rules written by King James I and edited by Sir Francis Bacon. So technically Sir Francis Bacon wrote the KJV and also wrote and corrected Shakespeare's plays. King James, lousy man, lousy ruler like some of our US presidents who had to go to war who simply wanted nothing more than to leave a legacy behind. They left nothing more than chaos and corruption. Though I have to say the corruption began with the Egyptians which encouraged all religions thereafter. Every religion beginning with what you know "the Jewish Religion" was nothing more than a copy cat religion from the Egyptians. What people don't know is the Egyptians did not set religion itself. They also were a copy cat religion. Religion holds no grounds on homosexuality, morals, (especially morals) so don't go there with me. That indeed was a stupid remark. Man wrote the bible and it was most certainly "NOT" inspired by god. When you pick up your bible, also have a history book next to you and reference them against each other. You don't actually need a history book if you live say in America. Most people here have what are called "COMPUTERS" The Church (people and religion) have spilled more blood in the history of man kind than any other man known to man... In just a very short period of time. So the three types of Christians. 1) the TRUE Christian- found in every 1 out of 750,000 people. I've already explained that above. 2) Fundamentalists groups - (Terrorist groups) - Christians/Christianity and other forms of religious groups. Non the less, TERORISTS! They will kill at will, by the use of guns, or other forms of weaponry, burn you alive, drown you, drag you behind a truck for a few miles till your dead, etc. You don't need someone/terrorist from some other country to do your dirty work, it's all done by the hands of.. yes, people who claim to be Christians or very close to god. and 3) Conservative Christians/Christianity- and other form of Christian groups - also known as Christian TERRORISM. The conservative Christian will kill you very, very slowly. Not by they're own hands. They are a bit smarter. They are rarely caught or persecuted. They shame others (the one's they also do not care for, you know "HATE")into suicide. So both Christian and religious folk that fall under #'s2 and 3 both end up in the fiery pit they call or refer to as "HELL". Christians/Religious- all Terrorists/Cults. ( Christians preach that only GOD has the power to give life and to take it. Then tell me something smart ass.... What the fuck are Christians doing killing so fucking much? There are the 7 deadly sins according to the bible. Sins so dark that darken the soul there is no forgiveness for. Under the subdivision of one of those sins is: the killing/stripping/stealing of another person's soul that belongs to god. You fuckers do it all the time, everyday. After killing someone or shaming them into suicide, you may hide for a few days, then right back to your church buildings yelling, screaming your halleluiah's until you falsely fall into seizures on the floor. What fucking hypocrites. Worshiping and preying like the thieves you are. When someone takes a life by shaming them into suicide that is also a grave sin. god has no mercy on Christians or religious terrorist groups # 2-3. They are nothing more than Satan's hive workers. god has more mercy on the bullied and persecuted than the BULLY and the PERSECUTER!!!!!!! So, what type of Christian are you? Since you claim to know sooooooooooooooo much about religion and your bible?