I would love to see an ode to old TopGear and have Jerry v Zac v Nolan compete with $15k builds. Make a broad ruleset and let em go to town with build videos over the course of months. Culminating to a final time attack or track day battle. It would be so fun to see the diff builds take shape.
They wasted 50k on the car. They put the money in useless brand name parts. Someone that actually knows what they are doing can build a much nicer and faster EG for half the money.
I would love to see an ode to old TopGear and have Jerry v Zac v Nolan compete with $15k builds. Make a broad ruleset and let em go to town with build videos over the course of months. Culminating to a final time attack or track day battle with road trips in between. It would be so fun to see the diff builds take shape.
Very cool idea although it would be a lot more difficult for them. The BBC/Amazon had a lot more money and definitely provided entire teams to build each car.
Donut is the new top gear anyway so may as well. Would love to see some of the things learned from hi low applied when you have an overall budget. Where is the bang for buck? Great idea.
if they finished the filming on wet track, it is likely EG would have beaten the new stock (depending on the tyres) - i take less weight and better handling over more power any day of the week!
Is it though? It has virtually no anti theft, no safety equipment, and parts will be very expensive to replace. I'm not sure it would be as cheap as you think it would be unless you have shit insurance that wouldn't actually cover it at all.
I drove a '94 Civic Hatch, Si version for 10 years. Swapped out the D16Z6 for a B18C. Will never forget all the good memories. This video series on the $500 eg made me smile. Early 2000's era of suped up 90's Civics was a world unto it's own, very special to a whole generation. From all of us, thank you.
The older Civic definitely holds its charm, and those modifications really make it unique. The sheer fun and adrenaline experienced in the DIY project seemed unbeatable.
Built a CRX like that with some of my friends about 20 years ago when they and B16s were still dirt cheap, one of my favorite car memories ever, that thing was just so raw sounding/feeling with it's lift oversteer, about one step up from being on a bike! These fat new cars with their spaceship handling and fake engine noise will never replicate that! Selling it is one of my biggest regrets, but I needed money for an SR swap at the time 😅
My guy, the car is badly build and those guys are casuals, if you get professionals from Europe to do that job and invest 50 000$ into any car from 1990s it will absolutely destroy that brand new little Civic and many more. Drag or Race, heck in Europe it will cost 10 000 euros to beat that civic.
@@onechakarov But that isn't the point. Sink any significant amount of money into any car and you could more than likely take on most production vehicles out there. The point here is that with enough dedication and bravery to modify a car, you can take a car from 30 years ago and make it perform almost as well as a car made today. Let's not forget that while they built this in a matter of months, they have funding, a workshop & salaries (I assume). It would take most of us years to get FL5 level performance out of a pos EG. The difference is every modification they've made to that EG can be done by your average Joe with a friend and a dream. No high tech experimental bs, just a wrench and a plan.
Some kind of hood scoop to cover that intake on the EG would be great, like the short, wide ones on STIs. It was cool to see the final results! Great work everyone!
The ITB's make a turbo kit significantly harder to engineer here. They would have to ditch the ITB's for an off the shelf setup, which they probably won't do given how committed they are at this point to having them on the car. There may be a video on a turbo setup still, but it's not simple and would have to be entirely custom.
you should turbocharge the EG, build the k series, and document it all. not sure what the whole point of it would be for the channel lol but it would be sick and we would all for sure watch it
This video is another great example of why older Hondas have so much charm and soul to them. It's the same reason I have an S2000 or bought an 8th gen Civic Si as a daily instead of a 10th/11th. No modern Honda engine will sound as good as an old K20. Modern Hondas are still very good cars, especially in terms of chassis dynamics, shifter feel, and interior design, but they lack that certain something that made the older ones special.
I'm of the opinion that honda lost their spirit when Soichrio Honda died in the late 90's. They're still trying their best but they don't take risks or experiment like they used to. I hope they get it back soon, I'd love a new rwd honda like an s3000 or something
I’m just saying, they could’ve made a custom made bonnet/hood scoop for that intake on the EG in my opinion. Would definitely help in the looks department👌🏽
I'd love to see a motor trend or car and driver level spec sheet as if it was an official press car back in the day. Acceleration runs, top speed, braking distance, weight and weight distribution, gas mileage, etc. This seems like it would be a really fun episode.
I've never been a Honda guy, and I'm still not, but I 100% respect the work that went into that build. Looks like it was a ton of fun (along with the usual pain of working on cars) and the results made everyone happy. Can't beat that. We need to see the Money Pit Miata against the EG!
4x4 and built as a period WRC 'Dream Rally Car', since Civics didn't compete at the time. Maybe even safari spec, covered in PIAA lighting all around, a roof rack, a pair of spare tires in the back of the hatch....
@@DetroitMicroSound bro i wanted to awd my 91 civic hatch in a rally wrc style so bad but i got hit and didnt have the money to keep it at the time. i never stopped thinking about it and might have to just go get another one day soon. i love the giant windows on that thing and its ass is amazing 😍
I really like these episodes because it's always more than numbers and brochure highlights. Driver experience and connection to the car has always been more important in my book. That Civic Type R is wonderful but I would take the build of an EG with the guys over a dealership hand shake.
I think when it comes to new cars and especially hot hatchbacks, it's advances in the diffs and electronics that really give them an edge against older cars. But that 95 hatch is still an awesome build that looks insanely fun to drive. It deserves a decent wrap or paint job next.
exactly, and who knows, maybe with an updated diff the EG would be able to easily put down the power and thus make it better maneuverable - but that would probably improve the time and the handling too much and uhhhh... that probably does not look good as in old model vs new model, some sale just miiiiight get influenced by such thing
The rawness of the EG build to me just has so much more personality and fun appeal. The new Type-R is amazing, but it does not mimic that OG feel in the Temple of VTEC.
There's still plenty of weight to be cut out of the '95. Money was spent where it didn't need to be spent, even though it's cool. This could have been a $40k project, and with some more reduction, I think the times would match up. Altogether a fun series of videos for sure!
The EG definitely has come a long way. Can't believe it's that fast, with just 230 HP, and the new Type R has 315. Definitely love the EG build and all it definitely worth more than the new Type R.
@@Mecks_Musicpower is only one side of the "fast" equation, the old one weighs next to nothing compared to the new one. Even if they had the same power the older ones going to be faster because it's probably close to half the weight.
. the newer civic makes 315bhp but thay aint to the wheels. it probably puts around 270 - 290 to the wheels find some dyno grafts on google @marklion315
Definitely going with the BUILD! Don't get me wrong, the new Type R would be cool to have and modify, but to build up and modify a car with your own hands is an experience and pride you can't buy, plus I use to own a 94 EG and it was a fun car.
Seriously. Did not do a great job in terms of performance per dollar... But I guess the FL5 isn't great performance per dollar compared to the Fk8, so it makes it more fair
I must admit this video series has come around for me. At the start of you guys messing with the cheap Honda I mainly skipped over all these videos but the last 2-3 I have been surprisingly excited for when it comes across my homepage.
That EG hatch could very easily be faster for sure. Some diff stuff, engine tuning/lightweight internals, let alone a supercharger or other FI, or you could make it AWD with the budget what it is. Especially if you take out a lot of the interior related stuff haha. Super cool series regardless, and if you want a Civic TR I don't blame you they are def cool either way.
For the price of the seats alone switching to ikon momo jegs nrg or sparco. Then adding a touchscreen and backup camera. Spray the carpet and headliner instead of wrapping the headliner and adding new carpet. Get a new pillar for the gauges
It's definitely hard to decide ... 1. The 2023 Civic has warranty for 50k that also includes parts and motor ... already makes 315hp out of the factory. 2. The enjoyment of building your own Civic is good but the expense include like when the engine fails, electrical works, tuning the car and stuff CAN BE FUN but it's a personal taste. 3. The old Civic can be made for less if you buy used parts mostly for the interior and would make a decent change to get a turbo for it. Maybe some parts can be bought used or bought from a different brand to change the price a little bit just to squeeze a turbo to even the field from 230hp to at least 280 or even 300 ? all and all it's a good little toy to play with
Not even used parts ditch the intake they put on and go turbo (pretty much the same price) Ditch those seats and go with momo ikon nrg jegs sparco. Then don’t wrap the headliner spray it or get suede and do it yourself. Clean and spray the carpet. Then you can still add a touchscreen and backup camera and get a pillar for the gauges and spend about half what they did on the seats alone.
You've done pretty much all you can on the inside, so now the outside needs some love. Would be awesome to see in black wrap with yellow detailing, and a body kit
@@Dr904 like it belongs to the police impound lot. Underglow even if off is ilegal and not worth the risk. But imma be honest with underglow it would be nice.
Hear me out... Buy two 1.8L VW beetles', convert them to beach buggies and see who can put the biggest engine in em. 👀 They're cheap as hell here in South Africa. We've put old BMW seats in one of ours and upgraded the suspension on the other. I think you guys would love just how customizable they are. Love the videos. Keep up the hard work guys!
@Ambrose4k right😂 and they're really fun when you swap a 2.5T Forester motor one. Over a hundred horsepower in something that only weighs a couple hundred kg's. They rip!
@@Ambrose4k sorry if that came across a little misleading. I haven't swapped the 2.5t in one, I've only seen something similar. And you're right, it must have been a headache and a half XD
I remember when people were turbocharging the d15 making 200 hp. Even with a d16z6 swap that hatch is fast. Can’t beat the joy of driving a 2000lb car with any swap really.
Now that they did a "good" tuner car, they should do a bad one. Like hypothetically you inherit a car from your grandma and start dumping paychecks into it.
To be honest, with $10k you can have this identical civic while having another $40k to buy the boys their own EG with similar set ups and hit up the track scene as one lol. This was a dope freaking series!!!! 🥰
Lets just take a moment to aknowledge how the brand new Type R is an absolutely astounding hot hatch, true to form straight out of the box when so many other manufacturers are focusing more on gadgets than actual driving experience. Well done Honda, bless you!
That bubbly 95 is the best looking Civic hatch they ever made. It has been relatively down hill from an aesthetic standpoint since then. I’d take that baby any day, though it might be nice to have some back seats.
With the older one, you can also have reasonable fun while not going that far into the build. And even if you do, theres more room to get it where you want, not only in esthetics but also performance, maybe with some more wheel time and suspension/tire setuping the gap might get closer and youll end up with a car that fits you like a glove. But if you ask me, this whole process IS the fun, and doing it with such an expansive car that have (and activally does) a lot of choices (Like the active suspension thing) to me its very counter productive in my eyes.
As James May said during Top Gear. "Everything today is better than it was one day ago.." For the same money you are getting a much more reliable car with a manufacturer's warranty that doesn't sound like it's going to explode every time you step on the accelerator. It's an easy choice, Type R.
My favorite build by Donut! They need to pick their track days better. Why even try in the rain. Donut has the money to reschedule. The old civic has a hundred less horsepower and was only two seconds off the pace. Very impressive. More please!
Tuned NA K swap runs 0-60 in under 4s. With ac and power steering no weight reduction. I think Donut got played in this build for that price. Cost just over 10 large to get under 4s.
I spent 8k on b20v to get 230hp and 300hp on the way with out turbo boost until now 12k with suspension and the wheels 😅if I spend 50k my car will be full carbon fibre in and out 🤷🏻 (1999 civic si coupe)
Cool build, but something just seems off about the Eg build power wise. Personally have built/have seen stock k20s make 230-240hp with LESS mods & gone faster on pump 93. Cool car nevertheless, glad to see you guys enjoying it 👍.
Thank you for these build series they are amazing and honest Love the comparison on build vs buy Still love the 95 more even though it slower Thank you for all the hard work you guys do putting together sponsees, shooting, editing, and building cars
I feel like you guys need to make a hi/low season with muscle cars, maybe drag racers, or a muscle car money pit. Hopefully with superchargers since I believe the only video about a supercharger was the one from wish.
I had one in 1995 1.6 VTEC before I knew what a VTEC was, it was a company car and from then onwards loved anything Honda. I'm from east Coast of UK and ripped it all over, loved it and always reminded me of the Ridge racer car. So when I saw you were doing a Civic was so pleased. Nice one Donut and a Very merry Xmas
Dude the amount of effort you put in that little civic I'm fricken impressed the time difference is awesome great job guys I think you spent some good money on that civic but it can do better 😊
Did they ever mention what tires is on the eg? I feel it’s an extremely important part of the equation, it’s arguably what’s making new cars faster despite not being more powerful per weight
I think you guys should do a at home paint job to it (homemade paint booth, small compressor, maybe try to replicate the steps the Rolls-Royce dose with there paint but at home) and put a turbo on it. Also, after you make the paint look nice, do that clear wrap to protect the paint like everyone does.
Yeah sell that waste of space, waste of power, waste of money ITB setup and use that money to turbo it. Match the new civics horsepower and watch it dominate.
@@thomasm3324 The Rotrex is a fantastic addition to the air hungry k series, makes bundles of power with essentially boost by RPM. I have a forged B18 Type R engined EG6 with a rotrex in the works at the moment. 267kw at the wheels with a power band that looks like someone used a ruler to draw the line 📏
This is what it is about working a car from the ground up and truth be told there probably is a second and half they could get out of it somewhere plus you are gonna have way more fun and pride in a build then a bought ride. God I love this channel you guys are surpassing the hoon squad in my book
You guys should hire some sort of race team or race car tuner to get the EG fine tuned for the track. Corner balancing, suspension adjustments, better alignment, that sort of thing.
Is it me...or you blew 50k on the Civic on almost nothing? For 50k i would had expected some crazy HP, brakes and some suspension, yet you spent 20k on ITB's and seats.
Wouldn't make the new Type R look good haha. I love the newest Honda Civic gen, they are so close to meeting their golden era again but they are just not there yet, hopefully the next gen goes back to its roots that little bit more.
its more fun to drive a slow car than a fast car slow. Hearing the car grunt as the RPM goes high, the shakiness and the feeling everything is about the collapse. The adrenaline that anything can blow up anytime soon. that's the feeling we crave for
I think it would be cool if y'all welded a scoop on the hood over the filter. would make it look more sleek and probably add a little protection from the rain
I personally would never cheap out on the safety gear. But I'm sure they definitely could have cheaped out on the seats and mabye the A C and added some more performance modes to have a better shot at the civic r.
I really think there should be more videos on this car, at this point it’s the mascot. More additional videos and upgrades would be awesome. Like adding turbo,new paint , and maybe nitrous 😂. Don’t let this car die!
Fifty thousand bucks, but one also has to factor in the cost of building it if they're not experienced in mechanics and/or don't have the tools to get it done. I really wish the old civic had beaten the new type R, but let's face it: it makes sense that it didn't. Loved the project though, and definitely would like to see more videos of this beast!
It makes no sense. Yes these guys have a FULL team of mechanics. They built the motor themselves. They wasted wayyyy to much money. Pointless things and didn’t even put full effort. Just threw dumb stuff at it. Could’ve at least boosted if they didn’t do that intake. Plus the interior screw the recaros and get momo jegs ikon sparco nrg. Literally any of them and got more for the interior. Do suede yourself and clean then spray the carpet. Add a touchscreen and backup camera. Use a pillar instead of throwing those gauges there
I'll go the 95 route any day (ideally 96-2000 IMO). The experience with the bros and the knowledge gained, 110%! And honestly, there's more you can do to make it even better, Civics, anything can be done. I know a dude named Rob and he had an about 1000 HP drag EK Hatch and that thing was literally insane! The Hoonigan race it was in was kinda unfair but it held it's own.
I find it funny this is like going back to high school days by spending obscene amount of money on bad habits (ie: cars) But now older with apparently no money limits as a daily job I gotta say, this is awesome!!
It doesn’t have to be 50,000 but restoring an old car like this is why we watch. This is doing what we all wish we could do. Thank you!
I would love to see an ode to old TopGear and have Jerry v Zac v Nolan compete with $15k builds.
Make a broad ruleset and let em go to town with build videos over the course of months. Culminating to a final time attack or track day battle.
It would be so fun to see the diff builds take shape.
Lol @ we. Why do y'all do that? Just say, "I".
Restoring an old car and upgrading it, is the reason im subscribe to them
Finally bought a dewalt brushless ratchet. Where are all my car parts to use it on? Aw shit.
@@focused313exactly😂
Recovering brand new $2500 seats to match the valve cover is wild 😂
They wasted 50k on the car. They put the money in useless brand name parts. Someone that actually knows what they are doing can build a much nicer and faster EG for half the money.
Hard to not agree
@@TenthMan-ip2jpvery much agree.
@@TenthMan-ip2jp K20 NA with a shorter gear ratio + CUSCO LSD could easily shave another 1-2 seconds and would have only cost 15K tops
Because they can; and because they’re probably gonna do more shit to it later
I would love to see an ode to old TopGear and have Jerry v Zac v Nolan compete with $15k builds.
Make a broad ruleset and let em go to town with build videos over the course of months. Culminating to a final time attack or track day battle with road trips in between.
It would be so fun to see the diff builds take shape.
Holy shit please!
Dope idea
Very cool idea although it would be a lot more difficult for them. The BBC/Amazon had a lot more money and definitely provided entire teams to build each car.
Donut is the new top gear anyway so may as well. Would love to see some of the things learned from hi low applied when you have an overall budget. Where is the bang for buck? Great idea.
Instead of one single timed lap do a tour, racing or testing through streets, canyons, track, maybe even somewhere else as well
Would love to see you guys finish up the car with exterior mods, fresh paint, bodywork, etc. Been great watching this build, inspiring!
Considering the almost 100hp difference I’m impressed with the time!
if they finished the filming on wet track, it is likely EG would have beaten the new stock (depending on the tyres) - i take less weight and better handling over more power any day of the week!
it's also like a thousand pounds less but sure
Factory pilot sport 2s so unlikely@@terkojakobson
@@terkojakobsonwhat if they filmed this on wet Spa Francorchamps?
Weight.
im surprised that this wasn't a money pit series it seems to be the perfect project
for donut, everything is a money pit
They could turn it into a money pit now
They don’t really do named serieses any more it seems. It’s basically money pit.
It’s not a money pit because it’s worth it 💪
yep@@clumsygarage1578
I’ll take the 95 cause the insurance is cheaper
Is it though? It has virtually no anti theft, no safety equipment, and parts will be very expensive to replace. I'm not sure it would be as cheap as you think it would be unless you have shit insurance that wouldn't actually cover it at all.
@@mr.pritchard67insurance is absolutely cheaper
@@mr.pritchard67had a 05 civic insurance was 130 a month now I got a 2020 civic sport and it’s more than double
It’ll be cheaper if you dont declare mods
American insurance is interesting
I drove a '94 Civic Hatch, Si version for 10 years. Swapped out the D16Z6 for a B18C. Will never forget all the good memories. This video series on the $500 eg made me smile. Early 2000's era of suped up 90's Civics was a world unto it's own, very special to a whole generation. From all of us, thank you.
The older Civic definitely holds its charm, and those modifications really make it unique. The sheer fun and adrenaline experienced in the DIY project seemed unbeatable.
1993 Civic and 1995 Civic 3Door Hatchback also are still amazing.
Especially the adrenaline when some of your upgrades blow up...
@@PavelKostromitinov That rush of wondering how you'll get home! I've been there...
Never underestimate a couple guys in a garage building a civic as a joke😂
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Built a CRX like that with some of my friends about 20 years ago when they and B16s were still dirt cheap, one of my favorite car memories ever, that thing was just so raw sounding/feeling with it's lift oversteer, about one step up from being on a bike! These fat new cars with their spaceship handling and fake engine noise will never replicate that! Selling it is one of my biggest regrets, but I needed money for an SR swap at the time 😅
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I definitely want to see more with this car, don’t let it die
My guy, the car is badly build and those guys are casuals, if you get professionals from Europe to do that job and invest 50 000$ into any car from 1990s it will absolutely destroy that brand new little Civic and many more. Drag or Race, heck in Europe it will cost 10 000 euros to beat that civic.
@@onechakarovreal
@@onechakarov But that isn't the point. Sink any significant amount of money into any car and you could more than likely take on most production vehicles out there. The point here is that with enough dedication and bravery to modify a car, you can take a car from 30 years ago and make it perform almost as well as a car made today.
Let's not forget that while they built this in a matter of months, they have funding, a workshop & salaries (I assume). It would take most of us years to get FL5 level performance out of a pos EG. The difference is every modification they've made to that EG can be done by your average Joe with a friend and a dream. No high tech experimental bs, just a wrench and a plan.
Some kind of hood scoop to cover that intake on the EG would be great, like the short, wide ones on STIs. It was cool to see the final results! Great work everyone!
Nolan in the passenger seat looking terrified, Civic Type-R beeping angrily in the canyons:
Jerry: "Oh relax"
😂😂😂
Why the fuck was it beeping?
Me, driving to the grocery store with my mother in the passenger seat with her death-gripping the handle "Oh relax" lmao
Really wanna see a turbo and a wrap on the 95 to finish it off. See if you can get the lap time down with some boost.
naaah the shitbox look is part of the charm. Wouldn't be the same with a wrap.
Better to give it a body kit first if you going to wrap it, including a legit custom hood to replace that horrible cut out.
and e85. make 600 ponies reliable. also f wrap, get it painted
honestly for the $50k they spent I thought they should've slapped a turbo on it first considering the type r is turbo
The ITB's make a turbo kit significantly harder to engineer here. They would have to ditch the ITB's for an off the shelf setup, which they probably won't do given how committed they are at this point to having them on the car.
There may be a video on a turbo setup still, but it's not simple and would have to be entirely custom.
you should turbocharge the EG, build the k series, and document it all. not sure what the whole point of it would be for the channel lol but it would be sick and we would all for sure watch it
I agree. turbo it, then race again. Build type R, race again.
Nah they should find some CRV parts and make it AWD before adding boost
This channel does not have a great record with forced induction.
itb's are way better
The craze for boost is palpable, still a well tuned NA has a magic of it's own.
This video is another great example of why older Hondas have so much charm and soul to them. It's the same reason I have an S2000 or bought an 8th gen Civic Si as a daily instead of a 10th/11th. No modern Honda engine will sound as good as an old K20. Modern Hondas are still very good cars, especially in terms of chassis dynamics, shifter feel, and interior design, but they lack that certain something that made the older ones special.
100 percent agree with you!! 8th Gen civic was the last true si!! Had mine for 12 years! Never selling!
@@roba6812 8th gens look like a 2005 Prius
I'm of the opinion that honda lost their spirit when Soichrio Honda died in the late 90's. They're still trying their best but they don't take risks or experiment like they used to. I hope they get it back soon, I'd love a new rwd honda like an s3000 or something
I think it's just a nostalgic feeling you got
I hope Honda can step up their FR 4 banger game again. The S2000 is iconic next to the S Chassis, Miata, and AE86.
Finding a new civic for msrp should be a series of its own. I'd love to get for for under 80k in my area.
80k for a civic???
Next the body pls
Very possible to get them for low 50's out the door.
Got my 2017 touring for less than 30 because of a minor dent
@@honda_miata depends where u are. Most places its 60k+
I’m just saying, they could’ve made a custom made bonnet/hood scoop for that intake on the EG in my opinion. Would definitely help in the looks department👌🏽
Been thinking the same thing since the last episode.
They'll probably improve the looks in a few weeks when their budget allows them.
i like the cut hood for the ITBs if anything they just need a better looking filter set up,, like individual ones so it can show them off
nah it looks perfect how it is. acquire some taste my friend.
@@thepjup4507 your poes
I'd love to see a motor trend or car and driver level spec sheet as if it was an official press car back in the day. Acceleration runs, top speed, braking distance, weight and weight distribution, gas mileage, etc. This seems like it would be a really fun episode.
I've never been a Honda guy, and I'm still not, but I 100% respect the work that went into that build. Looks like it was a ton of fun (along with the usual pain of working on cars) and the results made everyone happy. Can't beat that. We need to see the Money Pit Miata against the EG!
4:50 showing us how he rinsed 3rd gear in the Subaru 😂
Keep doing the EG! Y'all said you did everything besides turbo and AWD swapping so it sounds to me like you guys know what's needed to be done
No please don’t civics are perfect non boosted k swapped and restored
Please, give this bad boy 300hp and do a rematch!
4x4 and built as a period WRC 'Dream Rally Car', since Civics didn't compete at the time. Maybe even safari spec, covered in PIAA lighting all around, a roof rack, a pair of spare tires in the back of the hatch....
@@ivanbbritowhat about a rematch between Civic 3Door Si 1993 vs Toyota Supra RZ 1996?
@@DetroitMicroSound bro i wanted to awd my 91 civic hatch in a rally wrc style so bad but i got hit and didnt have the money to keep it at the time. i never stopped thinking about it and might have to just go get another one day soon. i love the giant windows on that thing and its ass is amazing 😍
I personally would love to see y'all do a lot more with this civic 🤙🏽
I really like these episodes because it's always more than numbers and brochure highlights. Driver experience and connection to the car has always been more important in my book. That Civic Type R is wonderful but I would take the build of an EG with the guys over a dealership hand shake.
Finding an EG hatch for $500 where I live, even the base model, is the biggest surprise of this whole series...
Honestly, it is about 4 seconds faster around that track than I expected.
Can we talk about what an amazing driver Jerry has become???
Jerry starts to be as amazing as Yianni.😅
They don't even use drift daddy anymore haha
I think when it comes to new cars and especially hot hatchbacks, it's advances in the diffs and electronics that really give them an edge against older cars. But that 95 hatch is still an awesome build that looks insanely fun to drive. It deserves a decent wrap or paint job next.
exactly, and who knows, maybe with an updated diff the EG would be able to easily put down the power and thus make it better maneuverable - but that would probably improve the time and the handling too much and uhhhh... that probably does not look good as in old model vs new model, some sale just miiiiight get influenced by such thing
The rawness of the EG build to me just has so much more personality and fun appeal. The new Type-R is amazing, but it does not mimic that OG feel in the Temple of VTEC.
I love it, but the thing with mods it's that you are always chasing bugs, and if you are going to have only one car, it becomes tedious
@@santiagooehlerthe Spoon Civic Type R also got VTEC super engine on it...
There's still plenty of weight to be cut out of the '95. Money was spent where it didn't need to be spent, even though it's cool. This could have been a $40k project, and with some more reduction, I think the times would match up. Altogether a fun series of videos for sure!
But they wanted a balanced car not just a full stripped track monater
No thanks, everything was necessary.
A small turbo would have gone a long way. I'd rather have the back seats and a small turbo.
yeah the itbs should have been a turbo instead
This video should be called how to make under 500hp with $100,000
The EG definitely has come a long way. Can't believe it's that fast, with just 230 HP, and the new Type R has 315. Definitely love the EG build and all it definitely worth more than the new Type R.
the eg put 230 to the wheels the newer civic puts around 270 - 290 to the wheels . I reckon with some areo mods the eg will be around the same pace
@@Mecks_Musicpower is only one side of the "fast" equation, the old one weighs next to nothing compared to the new one. Even if they had the same power the older ones going to be faster because it's probably close to half the weight.
@@Mecks_Musicits the torque not the aero.
270 to the wheel? source? @@Mecks_Music
. the newer civic makes 315bhp but thay aint to the wheels. it probably puts around 270 - 290 to the wheels find some dyno grafts on google @marklion315
This video just makes me so happy, congrats on how far y’all have made it. Nolan…dude is shining. You can see how happy he is. Love the whole crew ❤
Definitely going with the BUILD! Don't get me wrong, the new Type R would be cool to have and modify, but to build up and modify a car with your own hands is an experience and pride you can't buy, plus I use to own a 94 EG and it was a fun car.
You can..and it costs 45k plus labor.
This series has been a blast. Since I got my first civic I have had a special spot in my heart for them
50k and no turbo on the older civic?!
Seriously. Did not do a great job in terms of performance per dollar... But I guess the FL5 isn't great performance per dollar compared to the Fk8, so it makes it more fair
I must admit this video series has come around for me. At the start of you guys messing with the cheap Honda I mainly skipped over all these videos but the last 2-3 I have been surprisingly excited for when it comes across my homepage.
That EG hatch could very easily be faster for sure. Some diff stuff, engine tuning/lightweight internals, let alone a supercharger or other FI, or you could make it AWD with the budget what it is. Especially if you take out a lot of the interior related stuff haha. Super cool series regardless, and if you want a Civic TR I don't blame you they are def cool either way.
They could have slapped a crate billet in there and save on other things
There were so many better ways of spending their budget, no need for 5k in recaros
If it was a high compression build or all motor that vtec would kick bro
For the price of the seats alone switching to ikon momo jegs nrg or sparco. Then adding a touchscreen and backup camera. Spray the carpet and headliner instead of wrapping the headliner and adding new carpet. Get a new pillar for the gauges
@@malaki4519 exactly so much money wasted but it’s not mine so to each their own
def turbo it
It's definitely hard to decide ...
1. The 2023 Civic has warranty for 50k that also includes parts and motor ... already makes 315hp out of the factory.
2. The enjoyment of building your own Civic is good but the expense include like when the engine fails, electrical works, tuning the car and stuff CAN BE FUN but it's a personal taste.
3. The old Civic can be made for less if you buy used parts mostly for the interior and would make a decent change to get a turbo for it. Maybe some parts can be bought used or bought from a different brand to change the price a little bit just to squeeze a turbo to even the field from 230hp to at least 280 or even 300 ?
all and all it's a good little toy to play with
Not even used parts ditch the intake they put on and go turbo (pretty much the same price)
Ditch those seats and go with momo ikon nrg jegs sparco. Then don’t wrap the headliner spray it or get suede and do it yourself. Clean and spray the carpet. Then you can still add a touchscreen and backup camera and get a pillar for the gauges and spend about half what they did on the seats alone.
A turbo build would definetely be cheaper and deliver more power, but it is a great car anyway.
You've done pretty much all you can on the inside, so now the outside needs some love. Would be awesome to see in black wrap with yellow detailing, and a body kit
Not the ricer yellow details 😭
With some nice yellow underglow too. Making it look like it belongs in 2 Fast 2 Furious!
@@Dr904 like it belongs to the police impound lot. Underglow even if off is ilegal and not worth the risk. But imma be honest with underglow it would be nice.
Hear me out...
Buy two 1.8L VW beetles', convert them to beach buggies and see who can put the biggest engine in em. 👀
They're cheap as hell here in South Africa. We've put old BMW seats in one of ours and upgraded the suspension on the other.
I think you guys would love just how customizable they are.
Love the videos. Keep up the hard work guys!
my Grandpa had 15 vw bugs on his property just rodding away, they where so cheap back in the day if they broke you would get a new one for 300$
@Ambrose4k right😂 and they're really fun when you swap a 2.5T Forester motor one. Over a hundred horsepower in something that only weighs a couple hundred kg's.
They rip!
@@mystikmush4979 2.5 t are like $10k+ the wiring head ache you have to do, and what about the transmission i know its not the stock one right?
@@Ambrose4k sorry if that came across a little misleading. I haven't swapped the 2.5t in one, I've only seen something similar.
And you're right, it must have been a headache and a half XD
I remember when people were turbocharging the d15 making 200 hp. Even with a d16z6 swap that hatch is fast. Can’t beat the joy of driving a 2000lb car with any swap really.
Damn, Jerry really looked like a race car driver out there. He drove so goddamn fast
never did win no checkered flags, but he never did come in last?
@@the_wiki9408Jerry was a race car driver
He'd say "El Sob number one"
With a Bocephus sticker on his 442
He'd light 'em up just for fun
Bro was whipping in the canyons in the type R lol
Jerimah telling the new civic to relax is incredibly relatable. I hate having my car scream at me for stuff I’m doing 😭
Gotta respect the effort on the older civic man
Now that they did a "good" tuner car, they should do a bad one. Like hypothetically you inherit a car from your grandma and start dumping paychecks into it.
They already did that with the wrx bruv @@losSoCalMTB
To be honest, with $10k you can have this identical civic while having another $40k to buy the boys their own EG with similar set ups and hit up the track scene as one lol. This was a dope freaking series!!!! 🥰
Nahh bruv pass me keys I'll beat that fk8 in the EG 😂
😂😂
Now....add boost to the EG!
Not a turbo, but a supercharger. I bet that Type R will be put on point!
This episode makes me happy. It may not make financial sense, but the drama and excitement of the EG is just what driving fun.
True. This episode alone is 10/10.
This Episode like 1/10 honestly. Just showing what Honda marketing dollars do with a big channel like Donut media.
That EG is a prime example of too many cooks spoil the broth 😂 I’m glad the new Type R won.
Lets just take a moment to aknowledge how the brand new Type R is an absolutely astounding hot hatch, true to form straight out of the box when so many other manufacturers are focusing more on gadgets than actual driving experience.
Well done Honda, bless you!
10:15 I THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SAME PERSON ALL ALONG LMFAO
haha sameeeee
That bubbly 95 is the best looking Civic hatch they ever made. It has been relatively down hill from an aesthetic standpoint since then. I’d take that baby any day, though it might be nice to have some back seats.
“Just a second and a half slower in the track.” Lmao, they say that trying to hide the smirk of how massive of a difference that is.
With the older one, you can also have reasonable fun while not going that far into the build. And even if you do, theres more room to get it where you want, not only in esthetics but also performance, maybe with some more wheel time and suspension/tire setuping the gap might get closer and youll end up with a car that fits you like a glove. But if you ask me, this whole process IS the fun, and doing it with such an expansive car that have (and activally does) a lot of choices
(Like the active suspension thing) to me its very counter productive in my eyes.
Absolutely do more! It's calling for a beautiful body kit and and sweet paint job/wrap.
that's like a warm family moment right there. even James' father would be proud.
As James May said during Top Gear. "Everything today is better than it was one day ago.." For the same money you are getting a much more reliable car with a manufacturer's warranty that doesn't sound like it's going to explode every time you step on the accelerator. It's an easy choice, Type R.
My favorite build by Donut! They need to pick their track days better. Why even try in the rain. Donut has the money to reschedule. The old civic has a hundred less horsepower and was only two seconds off the pace. Very impressive. More please!
Well if donut actually could prep the car properly suspension brakes etc. they should be better on pace with each other.
Tell us about this time machine you have in order to know the weather in advance please
@@cenciende9401it’s simple, when it rains you reschedule, every track has that policy
Tuned NA K swap runs 0-60 in under 4s. With ac and power steering no weight reduction. I think Donut got played in this build for that price. Cost just over 10 large to get under 4s.
50k for 200hp nice
More like 10k on actual engine
I spent 8k on b20v to get 230hp and 300hp on the way with out turbo boost until now 12k with suspension and the wheels 😅if I spend 50k my car will be full carbon fibre in and out 🤷🏻 (1999 civic si coupe)
I think they don’t spent that 50k wisely on the car 😢2500$ on the seats and another 2500$ on non adapted coil overs suspension
Jeremiah is an awesome driver, looking forward to more racing videos
This really is one of my favorite video series that you have done. I hope we see a lot more of this Civic
If you guys didn’t have to cut the hood this civic would be a great sleeper
Cool build, but something just seems off about the Eg build power wise. Personally have built/have seen stock k20s make 230-240hp with LESS mods & gone faster on pump 93. Cool car nevertheless, glad to see you guys enjoying it 👍.
Tune ? Cam timing?
I’m wondering if they tuned it or just used plug and play parts
Loved this series and I hope to see more like it!
Thank you for these build series they are amazing and honest
Love the comparison on build vs buy
Still love the 95 more even though it slower
Thank you for all the hard work you guys do putting together sponsees, shooting, editing, and building cars
Awesome series! Hope this isn’t the end of that old civic
I feel like you guys need to make a hi/low season with muscle cars, maybe drag racers, or a muscle car money pit. Hopefully with superchargers since I believe the only video about a supercharger was the one from wish.
I Feel like a pair of blazers or s10s would be perfect
I had one in 1995 1.6 VTEC before I knew what a VTEC was, it was a company car and from then onwards loved anything Honda. I'm from east Coast of UK and ripped it all over, loved it and always reminded me of the Ridge racer car. So when I saw you were doing a Civic was so pleased. Nice one Donut and a Very merry Xmas
Love the civic guys keep up the good work😊
Next the body pls
I am liking these types of videos, hope you guys make more past vs modern content!
All that bling and no turbo?
You're killing me.
Take the stock car and $5000 and give it to the homeboys.
Turbo and nitrous. Cya!
Dude the amount of effort you put in that little civic I'm fricken impressed the time difference is awesome great job guys I think you spent some good money on that civic but it can do better 😊
Did they ever mention what tires is on the eg? I feel it’s an extremely important part of the equation, it’s arguably what’s making new cars faster despite not being more powerful per weight
They're Nitto NT01s, the new car is actually at a tire disadvantage.
@@proximitypito say the least lol. Those nittos are NASTY. They just need a tiny bit more power and that thing is SCREAMIN
They did in this video yes
@@proximitypiI want some of that copium you smoking if you think NT01s are faster than Cup2s.
@@proximitypi Are you sure? I've had more grip with my Cup 2's
I think you guys should do a at home paint job to it (homemade paint booth, small compressor, maybe try to replicate the steps the Rolls-Royce dose with there paint but at home) and put a turbo on it. Also, after you make the paint look nice, do that clear wrap to protect the paint like everyone does.
Yeah sell that waste of space, waste of power, waste of money ITB setup and use that money to turbo it. Match the new civics horsepower and watch it dominate.
Even a Rotrex supercharger from Kraftwerks would have been a million times better.
@@Driftmonkey I would have to agree that a supercharger makes a car way more drivable.
@@thomasm3324 The Rotrex is a fantastic addition to the air hungry k series, makes bundles of power with essentially boost by RPM. I have a forged B18 Type R engined EG6 with a rotrex in the works at the moment. 267kw at the wheels with a power band that looks like someone used a ruler to draw the line 📏
More $ 500 Civic please, this is fun!
You guys are basically LTT of car world. Love the vids!
Don’t insult LTT with these guys
@@malaki4519 excuse me? Donut Media is the LTT of the automotive world. They make entertaining videos full of information. Just like LTT.
This is what it is about working a car from the ground up and truth be told there probably is a second and half they could get out of it somewhere plus you are gonna have way more fun and pride in a build then a bought ride. God I love this channel you guys are surpassing the hoon squad in my book
You guys should hire some sort of race team or race car tuner to get the EG fine tuned for the track. Corner balancing, suspension adjustments, better alignment, that sort of thing.
Time for a low car civic! You can damn near close to that performance for under $15k
Is it me...or you blew 50k on the Civic on almost nothing? For 50k i would had expected some crazy HP, brakes and some suspension, yet you spent 20k on ITB's and seats.
100% they completely wasted that money, could’ve built a way better civic.
Duh they got the seats sponsored
@@KlaasDetweede everything is, couldnt they get actual parts sponsoring?
Guys, I like watching hot laps, you don’t need to edit the lap every 3 seconds just let us watch the lap😂
50k and you don’t put a turbo in there that’s insanely stupid
I agree bro
Wouldn't make the new Type R look good haha. I love the newest Honda Civic gen, they are so close to meeting their golden era again but they are just not there yet, hopefully the next gen goes back to its roots that little bit more.
its more fun to drive a slow car than a fast car slow.
Hearing the car grunt as the RPM goes high, the shakiness and the feeling everything is about the collapse. The adrenaline that anything can blow up anytime soon. that's the feeling we crave for
I love the way the 500 dollar civic looks hope they don’t change the look
Looks like shit lol
I think it would be cool if y'all welded a scoop on the hood over the filter. would make it look more sleek and probably add a little protection from the rain
I personally would never cheap out on the safety gear. But I'm sure they definitely could have cheaped out on the seats and mabye the A C and added some more performance modes to have a better shot at the civic r.
If they would have spent the money they used for the ITBs on turbos it would have beat the new civic
@@darthvaydor6716 Yeah, it definitely bought that just for the looks. And so the episode would be cooler than just installing a generic part.
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This old Civic miss:
-Body kit
-Modern led front and rear lights
-Lights under car
50k without a turbo is….. dumb
Or body work
Turbocharge or supercharge it
I assure you that $50k wasn’t poured into the eg!!!
I really think there should be more videos on this car, at this point it’s the mascot. More additional videos and upgrades would be awesome. Like adding turbo,new paint , and maybe nitrous 😂. Don’t let this car die!
Fifty thousand bucks, but one also has to factor in the cost of building it if they're not experienced in mechanics and/or don't have the tools to get it done. I really wish the old civic had beaten the new type R, but let's face it: it makes sense that it didn't. Loved the project though, and definitely would like to see more videos of this beast!
It makes no sense. Yes these guys have a FULL team of mechanics. They built the motor themselves. They wasted wayyyy to much money. Pointless things and didn’t even put full effort. Just threw dumb stuff at it. Could’ve at least boosted if they didn’t do that intake. Plus the interior screw the recaros and get momo jegs ikon sparco nrg. Literally any of them and got more for the interior. Do suede yourself and clean then spray the carpet. Add a touchscreen and backup camera. Use a pillar instead of throwing those gauges there
The Type R. Hands down. Imagine what the Type R does with aftermarket parts and tuning.
The little edit at 3:40 comparing the civics sounds was great
As the owner of a '93 EG hatch and a '17 FK8 Civic Type R, this is my Super Bowl! 🏆
@DonutGiveaway.. Cool! LMK how to get in touch, LOVE Donut, you guys rock.
I'll go the 95 route any day (ideally 96-2000 IMO). The experience with the bros and the knowledge gained, 110%! And honestly, there's more you can do to make it even better, Civics, anything can be done.
I know a dude named Rob and he had an about 1000 HP drag EK Hatch and that thing was literally insane! The Hoonigan race it was in was kinda unfair but it held it's own.
I find it funny
this is like going back to high school days by spending obscene amount of money on bad habits (ie: cars)
But now older with apparently no money limits as a daily job
I gotta say, this is awesome!!
Should have put a turbo kit on the EG and do a comparison of the two from there