GameGeeks i think the thing about Dr cox was he gave everyone the same treatment from the beginning. He treated everyone harshly, the only difference was that JD took it and kept coming back. Showing him he had what it took to learn from him. People like Elliot on the other hand broke when getting that treatment
He knows he's a fine doctor, but he's way too emotional which eventually cost them a patient everyone liked. JD kept overlooking an intern's mistakes because he liked him and eventually he gave the patient an infection that killed her.
@@xavierkeyes1833 in reality thats a shite way to teach people medicine.pressure is expected from the job but having cunts for teachers can make life hell
JD kept wanting his version of a mentor, but often failed to see that Dr. Cox was a great mentor because he never let JD rest on his laurels. He was always pushing him. That's what a mentor does.
This rant not only has great advice in it, but it's so damn honest. Usually Cox is sarcastic and mean but here you could feel his genuine frustration. He sees J.D.s potential. But he doesn't see someone confident enough to utilize it. Not to mention it has to get annoying having someone constantly vying for your approval. He wants J.D. to be confident, and this was the only way to get this through to him. The end there was pretty mean, but it seemed genuine. This is why he's a great mentor, even if his methods could be better.
Well said. JD yearning for a mentor for so many years, not realizing Cox has basically been doing it the entire time, is one of my favorite aspects about the show.
I think how JD handled this situation could be read in two ways. Sure, he didn't take the time to think about himself, BUT he also stood up to Dr Cox, which does show courage.
I disagree. It is more like he lashed out at Dr Cox because he couldn't take it anymore. He became more and more frustrated and angry and reacted without thinking. Courage at it's height is having every reason NOT to do something scary but doing it anyway because it HAS to be done. JD could have, should have, just evaluated himself, honestly or otherwise, rather than taking it out on Dr Cox.
@@Gravora I agree. The right move would´ve been to calmy discuss with Dr. Cox why he wanted JD to do his own evaluation. JD just assumed Cox wanted to foist this on him to avoid work.
@@Gravora I suspect it took courage still, it was just misplaced. He probably thought he was being righteous and preventing someone else from taking advantage of him, but that was a position that was ultimately guided by his own emotions and the need for approval rather than anything else.
even in the show, JD contiually has problems of caring too much about what people think of him, such as in My New Suit where he doesnt tell Dan he's a deadbeat cause he's too worried his brother will resent him for it.
I just started watching Scrubs for the first time. To me this is the best monologue from Dr. Cox. Also this scene shows why Dr. Cox is my favorite character.
I think the reasoning for JD doing his own evaluation makes sense. However getting angry at JD is unfair, Dr Cox gives the impression to JD he doesn't care enough to do it, how was JD supposed to know this was a teaching moment?
It does really rub me the wrong way that when JD asks him to properly evaluate him, he doesn't pushback once as if to say this is an earnest assignment.
The 1st 3 seasons of Scrubs are incredible. Afterwards it becomes a typical, though still good, sitcom. But those first three seasons....incredibly believable characters, organic genuine humor, heart ranching storylines and fantastic real world lessons. After Season 4, the characters become more caricatures, the humor becomes silly and I feel like the lessons were kind of hammed in. That said it could still deliver a gut punch. The first episode I ever watched was on a plane and it was My Lunch xD. I was shaken.
I think it shows maturity on the characters' part. Think about it, when you are new to the field you learn a lot from your mentors and then you yourself become a mentor and you have to pass on those lessons to your juniors. If the same intensity of real-world lessons were taught to attending doctors it would be pretty stupid because they have already been through a lot and they can't repeat the same lessons to their mentees because it would then be boring for us to watch.
The 1st time I saw this scene, it’d made me think of my mom. She had me do a self evaluation list after I got in trouble during middle school (a good 5-6 years before the pilot aired) She delivered the reason almost like Perceval, “so you can see it”.
I understand that Dr Cox has a point about how emotionally needy JD is but fact of the matter is he shirked his professional responsibility to mentor a junior colleague and then turned his evalution into a personal attack on his character.
^ THIS! Thank you! I was hoping someone else realized this, but all the comments I've seen before yours really bought into Cox's speech. Self-evaluation is important, but pretty sure the hospital wanted the senior doctors doing them for, if not the personal growth a mentor's insight can provide, then at least to prevent the evaluee's from completely bs'ing their way through them.
3rd year neurosurgery resident - 2 years ahead of where JD is in this episode, but in a different specialty. I come back to this clip at least once a year.
" ultimately you don't have to answer to me, and you don't have to answer to kelso, or to your patients for godsake. You only have to answer to one guy noobie and that's YOU" That's really important, at the end of the day no matter what you do and i really like this because it reminds me a bit of the time with private dancer "you don't owe it to yourself to take care of yourself, but you owe it to us, because if we had known you were going to off yourself after all our work we wouldn't have even bothered with you" (he was a soldier who left military service due to injury and became suicidal because he only saw himself as being good at being in the army and saw nothing good in his life)
I think people learn the wrong lesson from that quote, though. They get this idea that as long as they can excuse their behavior to themselves, then it doesn't matter who calls them out on it. These are also often the people that insist that they're their own worst critic or they have problems with self-confidence. If you're making excuses for yourself, you aren't a very good critic of yourself. It doesn't matter if you can recognize the fault in your actions or knowledge if you're excusing that instead of saying to yourself that you should have done better this time and you WILL do better next time. This scene was about being honest with one's self and cultivating that internal critic to the utmost accuracy. Caring less about the criticisms and praise of others because they're never as valid as the criticisms and praise you can give yourself IF you are honest with yourself. The first half of the speech is just as important as the second half, but people discard the first half because it makes them feel better to think it's a rant about not caring what other people think. But the first part explains WHY that's important.
Well, this is on Cox. I know they make it out to be on JD, but that is just unfair. In this situation Cox is the teacher. The mentor. The one with most experience. This isn't a bad lesson in the slightest. Hell, being able to look inwards, and notice your own flaws/strenghts is an AMAZING ability that not enough people have! But if that is the lesson you want to give then you have to give it! Don't make it secret! Be open and explain this to the student AS you are giving the assignment! "I want YOU to evaluate your own work! I want you to look inwards! What are you good at? What do you need to work on? How can you work on it? Why should you work on it? This isn't about praise this is about encouragement! I want you all to think about how you can improve your own work without someone else breathing down your neck! Because in the end of the day your own look at how you can improve is way more valuable than what I can tell you!"
it worked better the way Dr Cox did it, because often times the most important lessons have to hurt for them to hit home. Being spoon-fed the lesson would've been exactly what JD wanted, and wouldn't have led to any growth for him.
Unpopular opinion, but Dr Cox spent all the previous episodes tearing down and undermining JD’s confidence and messing with his head that *OF COURSE* JD thinks this is all a trick or a trap. Head games make for entertaining television, but in real life are no joke.
It is very easy to be so close to a situation that you cannot evaluate it objectively. No one is truly objective about anything they have experience with anyway. We do need others to help us see our flaws, and more importantly, how to improve ourselves and our performance. It is important to look at yourself, absolutely. But just as important is the reality check you can only get from others.
When people get worked up about you like that. It means you mean something important to them. I get worked up and angry when people with potential allow themselves to destroy themselves or let the potential slip. That's why we get worked up. You are more important than you think you are and we hate to see it go to waste.
I can relate to what cox was saying I have the exact same problem I have really bad self esteem and have low very confidence in myself I awlays been told that any time i been given compliant I will downgrade myself
@@DrPhillipMcCracken Dunning Kruger effect FTW Also, imposter syndrome is both lethal and common at this level. I manage large computer networks and it's rare to work with anyone I wouldn't consider to be a genius. It really messes with your sense of your own ability. You need to remind yourself that when you're evaluating your ability, you're not comparing yourself with normal people, you're comparing yourself with geniuses.
Season 9 is a shameless cash grab. Just...forget it ever happened. It was supposed to end at 8, but then the network forced it to go on like a terminal patient put on life support.
@@daynechastant there's a season nine? I'll need to take a few minutes to setup the electrodes. It finished at season 8. Looks like a brain zap is required
Horrible management. It's very difficult to objectively evaluate yourself which is why there is value in an outside source helping to discover strengths and weaknesses. But since this is just a fictional show, it is a very moving and emotional scene.
Dr. Cox never wanted to be Management. Even Kelso when he made Cox Chief of Medicine suggested it was a step away from being what he wanted to do, which was be a doctor. But we don't always get what we want, and Cox had to do the job he was slated for.
@Dayne Chastant But as a person in a science field, review is necessary. Though, the evaluation could have been split into two parts: self evaluation and supervisor evaluation. Both are needed.
Right. Makes for emotional/touching TV. But this message would've been delivered very easily just by Cox actually telling JD why he wanted JD to do his own eval in the first place. It didn't need to be the mind game Cox made it to be or the power trip capped off with his rant
Obviously super late comment but.... as someone in the medical field I thought this scenario was a little bit ridiculous. They had a point to make and they made it within the context of the storyline. But really, I was always annoyed when I got the "well how do you think you're doing" feedback back in training. At best, someone extremely reflective and with great self-awareness may identify some problems and improve on them. Most medical residents are too busy to spend their time self-analyzing themselves or frankly lack enough self-awareness to do it well. I saw the bad residents get a lot of attention in their evaluations to bring them up to the average/standard and the good residents get little useful feedback because they were already exceeding the standard. I would hope a good mentor would be able to elevate bad and good residents equally using pointed, constructive feedback.
Coming from a doc, this is such an unrealistic conversation and situation no resident ever was in. The scene is more for TV, good, but mostly for drama.
Some of Cox's rants are stupid and childish and just plain silly... but every now and then he'll just drive a dagger into somebody's heart because you know he's absolutely right.
Old Scrubs was awesome. No crazy flashbacks, no absurd scenarios...when the show wants to be serious and thought-provoking, it's just that...and boy does it make you think. The reason I liked the earlier seasons so much was because it felt so true to life... the later seasons lost that sense of groundedness.
The WHOLE point of evaluations is that you get someone external to you helping you to see your own flaws. You can miss things about yourself that others would spot, and no amount of internal reflection would ever help you notice those flaws. This is why almost every single job has you evaluate yourself FOLLOWED by an evaluation with your supervisor. It combines everything together to try to make yourself better at your work. Both characters seem to have missed that. Cox wants JD to evaluate himself, but fails to realize that you often need help to actually learn about yourself. And JD just wants Cox to evaluate him, not realize he needs to look at himself. Both are in the wrong, but Cox has authority and power, so ends up winning the argument.
Besides the fact that Cox would've seen the evaluation and confirmed what J.D. said about himself, in the medical field, mistakes aren't really left up to interpretation. If you fucking kill a patient, no one is going to ask if you were working hard enough or care about your "professional workflow". They just care about what you know. And it's hard to lie to yourself about what you know. So self-evaluation isn't a massive detriment in this instance. Cox was right more than he was wrong, by a significant margin.
Sammy Gillespie The point was that JD RELIED on Cox to do it for him. Cox had to force him to think about it because it would be pointless without both perspectives
The funny part is, you claim both characters miss how evaluations work according to your definition, but they actually both do EXACTLY what you describe an evaluation should be ;)
If he really thinks jd is so weak, he could really destroy him treating him like that. It sucks to work in a hospital, and when you get treated consistently like that, well, guess what, why NOT quit? You need SOME kind of encouragement, jd really gives it his all, and cox treats him extremely disrespectful, tbh. He's lucky he's got friends, because if there are only Dr coxes, there's no reason to keep working there.
Dr Cox didn't ONLY treat him like that. When the chips were down, Dr Cox was the one who had JD's back. When he needed a serious talk to support him, Dr Cox did give them. He might be a dick. But he's not absolutely cruel all the time.
At my last job, I wrote my own performance evaluation. I also wrote the evaluations for my other team members (my level) Mainly because we already knew our strengths and weaknesses, but we needed something well written that would push more bonuses our way and I was better at doing this than my manager was :-)
If Cox really expected him to do his own evaluation because he wanted JD to think about what he was good at and what he was bad at, he shouldn’t have been lounging around watching television after telling JD he had more important things than do his evaluation! If you want people to treat something like it’s important, you have to actually ACT like it’s genuinely important, not pretend like you have a literally 1000 other better things to do!
Cox is actually a real jerk here and this scene tries too hard to be ''emotional'' but instead comes off cheesy and overdramatic. Sorry-not-sorry, I love Scrubs but that's how it is. Those evaluations do matther, that's how it's done and it's not time and place to make it a ''lesson'' or psychological exercises. Without that evaluation residents/interns just can't move up the ladder. He could have picked another moment to teach JD a lesson - here he should have just shut up and done his job without being so patronizing. And doctors ARE accountable to other people, namely their patients and bosses, and they DO need assessment from them to check their progress, it's not a time for introspection, not that kind of job. All of you who go ''awww'' over this scene.... just think about it. That's why I prefer later seasons, they are less cheesy/dramatic and more realistic in terms of the job itself.
@Mike Kane IKR? JD only wanted a killer evaluation because Elliott had gotten one no less by an attending who was trying to get into her pants. Cox was attempting show JD the much bigger picture of it all.
He is a hard ass here but that's just how he is, especially in the earlier seasons. But he was especially hard on JD because he knew JD was a talented doctor and he expected more from him. His way of showing his disappointment was usually aggressive, but that goes to show how well Scrubs made characters show different emotions but in character
That's because you never worked in corporate kid, if you did, you'd know evaluations are a joke. No one is interested in making you better, they are interested in making you a better slave. This advice might have not been the best applied to medicine, but for any other job? It's gold.
I think it’s a good point Dr. Cox made BUT if I were in JD’s shoes, I’d think Dr. Cox didn’t give a crap and was making me do the eval bc he couldn’t be bothered
I gave y’all Phillip and that was my union reverse card in Dublin so short of y’all finding something terrible on me which u won’t let me have this family in peace quit running my name all over town and fix her family it’s not fair to her that she can’t see them cause of me and u it’s fucked up y’all need to fix it
Moments like this show he really does care about JD. He wouldn't get so worked up if he didn't.
GameGeeks i think the thing about Dr cox was he gave everyone the same treatment from the beginning. He treated everyone harshly, the only difference was that JD took it and kept coming back. Showing him he had what it took to learn from him. People like Elliot on the other hand broke when getting that treatment
Also I think the father-son dynamic went both ways, not just from JD's side.
He knows he's a fine doctor, but he's way too emotional which eventually cost them a patient everyone liked. JD kept overlooking an intern's mistakes because he liked him and eventually he gave the patient an infection that killed her.
@@xavierkeyes1833 in reality thats a shite way to teach people medicine.pressure is expected from the job but having cunts for teachers can make life hell
@@EricLing64 TBF that was after he was already dismissed
JD kept wanting his version of a mentor, but often failed to see that Dr. Cox was a great mentor because he never let JD rest on his laurels. He was always pushing him. That's what a mentor does.
This rant not only has great advice in it, but it's so damn honest. Usually Cox is sarcastic and mean but here you could feel his genuine frustration. He sees J.D.s potential. But he doesn't see someone confident enough to utilize it. Not to mention it has to get annoying having someone constantly vying for your approval. He wants J.D. to be confident, and this was the only way to get this through to him. The end there was pretty mean, but it seemed genuine. This is why he's a great mentor, even if his methods could be better.
Well said. JD yearning for a mentor for so many years, not realizing Cox has basically been doing it the entire time, is one of my favorite aspects about the show.
I think how JD handled this situation could be read in two ways. Sure, he didn't take the time to think about himself, BUT he also stood up to Dr Cox, which does show courage.
I disagree. It is more like he lashed out at Dr Cox because he couldn't take it anymore. He became more and more frustrated and angry and reacted without thinking. Courage at it's height is having every reason NOT to do something scary but doing it anyway because it HAS to be done.
JD could have, should have, just evaluated himself, honestly or otherwise, rather than taking it out on Dr Cox.
@@Gravora I agree. The right move would´ve been to calmy discuss with Dr. Cox why he wanted JD to do his own evaluation. JD just assumed Cox wanted to foist this on him to avoid work.
@@Gravora I suspect it took courage still, it was just misplaced. He probably thought he was being righteous and preventing someone else from taking advantage of him, but that was a position that was ultimately guided by his own emotions and the need for approval rather than anything else.
I love this, because no matter how much older I get I'll still have THE SAME self-confidence doubts.
Same. They've gotten more manageable over time, but have never gone away.
*plays the worlds smallest violin*
even in the show, JD contiually has problems of caring too much about what people think of him, such as in My New Suit where he doesnt tell Dan he's a deadbeat cause he's too worried his brother will resent him for it.
I loved the reaction from cox “Oh danger ohhh” that killed me😹
Dr Cox is simply the best. Such a command over every line delivered
I just started watching Scrubs for the first time. To me this is the best monologue from Dr. Cox.
Also this scene shows why Dr. Cox is my favorite character.
“You honest to god get me so angry” wow I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that in my life.
It means you got people who care about you
I'm always surprised how often this scene gets me emotional
I'm surprised too since this scene is not very good.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 you could have said something nice and positive in the world
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 lol you're full of shit.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849huh???
This is a great scene. Maybe a bit hammy in the first half but the second half has some damn good acting
Of all the life lessons in this show to me this is one of the most important. To learn
I still think this was the best speech dr cox ever did for jd
The best mentor JD could’ve had
Life was SO much simpler when this aired
Dr.Cox is the reason JD is a doctor at the end of the show. Tough love and unwavering support when the $hit hits the fan!
I think the reasoning for JD doing his own evaluation makes sense.
However getting angry at JD is unfair, Dr Cox gives the impression to JD he doesn't care enough to do it, how was JD supposed to know this was a teaching moment?
It does really rub me the wrong way that when JD asks him to properly evaluate him, he doesn't pushback once as if to say this is an earnest assignment.
This makes me want to call my high school teacher that gave me a hard time because he knew I was better...
"You get off like, six-ish, or....?"
PeterDivine Oh Danger!
Exactly. Moments like this prove Cox really cared about DJ & knew he would be a GREAT doctor !!
@youngbuck0911 let Francis think
Sometimes I wish I had mentor like Dr.Cox
Best Characters ever I was 5 hearing this or 7 but it holds
JD needed to hear this. And as someone who frets about my own value in life, I did too.
One of the best shows ever and without a doubt of the early 2000's
Dr Cox was the best on the show in my opinion incredible actor
I'm here because my boss just handed me a self evaluation and I need the inspiration
The 1st 3 seasons of Scrubs are incredible. Afterwards it becomes a typical, though still good, sitcom. But those first three seasons....incredibly believable characters, organic genuine humor, heart ranching storylines and fantastic real world lessons. After Season 4, the characters become more caricatures, the humor becomes silly and I feel like the lessons were kind of hammed in. That said it could still deliver a gut punch. The first episode I ever watched was on a plane and it was My Lunch xD. I was shaken.
811chelseafc the absolute best episode
that was season 5 :)
Heart ranching? Jesus, is there anyone who frequents these message boards who actually listened in English class? It's wrenching...Heart wrenching.
I think it shows maturity on the characters' part. Think about it, when you are new to the field you learn a lot from your mentors and then you yourself become a mentor and you have to pass on those lessons to your juniors. If the same intensity of real-world lessons were taught to attending doctors it would be pretty stupid because they have already been through a lot and they can't repeat the same lessons to their mentees because it would then be boring for us to watch.
What airline had Scrubs? There was nothing but terrible shows last time I flew
The 1st time I saw this scene, it’d made me think of my mom.
She had me do a self evaluation list after I got in trouble during middle school (a good 5-6 years before the pilot aired)
She delivered the reason almost like Perceval, “so you can see it”.
This was one of the greatest scenes and most valuable lessons in Scrubs.
This applies to any job or life lesson. Confidence has to grow on you like moss. It just takes time.
It took me 10 years in my career and like 2 jobs for it to grow. :(
I understand that Dr Cox has a point about how emotionally needy JD is but fact of the matter is he shirked his professional responsibility to mentor a junior colleague and then turned his evalution into a personal attack on his character.
^ THIS! Thank you! I was hoping someone else realized this, but all the comments I've seen before yours really bought into Cox's speech. Self-evaluation is important, but pretty sure the hospital wanted the senior doctors doing them for, if not the personal growth a mentor's insight can provide, then at least to prevent the evaluee's from completely bs'ing their way through them.
I think both are right. I think if it were me, I would've done what dr.cox said, and would have only gotten upset if he didn't look it over.
Damn, I miss that show. So sad that it only had 8 seasons, but maybe it would go down hill if it would have more
Haha, thank goodness that didn't happen!
Ahh i see
It *did* go downhill.
@@raynmanshorts9275 it did not. there was never a season 9.
Yes 8 seasons is perfect for some shows
I love this scene so much I’m working to be a trainer and I want to be this good
I’ve learned more from this scene in this show than I have anywhere else in my entire life.
3rd year neurosurgery resident - 2 years ahead of where JD is in this episode, but in a different specialty.
I come back to this clip at least once a year.
that's a weird thing to get so angry about
Best show ever best evaluation ever
Great point. :)
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That was just frikking amazing😂😁😂😂😂
0:09 " *✊🤛😡✊👊😡WHYYYY-III-OUGHTAAAA--!!* "
" ultimately you don't have to answer to me, and you don't have to answer to kelso, or to your patients for godsake. You only have to answer to one guy noobie and that's YOU"
That's really important, at the end of the day no matter what you do
and i really like this because it reminds me a bit of the time with private dancer
"you don't owe it to yourself to take care of yourself, but you owe it to us, because if we had known you were going to off yourself after all our work we wouldn't have even bothered with you" (he was a soldier who left military service due to injury and became suicidal because he only saw himself as being good at being in the army and saw nothing good in his life)
I think people learn the wrong lesson from that quote, though. They get this idea that as long as they can excuse their behavior to themselves, then it doesn't matter who calls them out on it. These are also often the people that insist that they're their own worst critic or they have problems with self-confidence. If you're making excuses for yourself, you aren't a very good critic of yourself. It doesn't matter if you can recognize the fault in your actions or knowledge if you're excusing that instead of saying to yourself that you should have done better this time and you WILL do better next time. This scene was about being honest with one's self and cultivating that internal critic to the utmost accuracy. Caring less about the criticisms and praise of others because they're never as valid as the criticisms and praise you can give yourself IF you are honest with yourself. The first half of the speech is just as important as the second half, but people discard the first half because it makes them feel better to think it's a rant about not caring what other people think. But the first part explains WHY that's important.
Well, this is on Cox.
I know they make it out to be on JD, but that is just unfair. In this situation Cox is the teacher. The mentor. The one with most experience.
This isn't a bad lesson in the slightest. Hell, being able to look inwards, and notice your own flaws/strenghts is an AMAZING ability that not enough people have! But if that is the lesson you want to give then you have to give it!
Don't make it secret! Be open and explain this to the student AS you are giving the assignment!
"I want YOU to evaluate your own work! I want you to look inwards! What are you good at? What do you need to work on? How can you work on it? Why should you work on it? This isn't about praise this is about encouragement! I want you all to think about how you can improve your own work without someone else breathing down your neck! Because in the end of the day your own look at how you can improve is way more valuable than what I can tell you!"
it worked better the way Dr Cox did it, because often times the most important lessons have to hurt for them to hit home. Being spoon-fed the lesson would've been exactly what JD wanted, and wouldn't have led to any growth for him.
The dad i wish i had
Unpopular opinion, but Dr Cox spent all the previous episodes tearing down and undermining JD’s confidence and messing with his head that *OF COURSE* JD thinks this is all a trick or a trap. Head games make for entertaining television, but in real life are no joke.
everyone needs that pet talk.
It is very easy to be so close to a situation that you cannot evaluate it objectively. No one is truly objective about anything they have experience with anyway. We do need others to help us see our flaws, and more importantly, how to improve ourselves and our performance.
It is important to look at yourself, absolutely. But just as important is the reality check you can only get from others.
Damn first two seasons were good.
*first seven
@@omairsh8 meh
1:11 at least he said "guy"
He really did care about J.D. He act just like a stern Dad with him to toughen him up!
Cox calling him a guy.
That last line hit me in the feelz. I'm so happy people can still say these things to other people.
When people get worked up about you like that. It means you mean something important to them. I get worked up and angry when people with potential allow themselves to destroy themselves or let the potential slip. That's why we get worked up. You are more important than you think you are and we hate to see it go to waste.
Not really in contect without Cox then evaluting him to the adminstration where he talks about how exceptional he thinks JD is
This isn't the conclusion of this at the end of episode cox tells the board special mention goes to jd saying he cares too much
I can relate to what cox was saying
I have the exact same problem
I have really bad self esteem and have low very confidence in myself
I awlays been told that any time i been given compliant I will downgrade myself
You are either one of my engineers or just like them. FWIW, when he walks in the room, he's the best engineer in that room...hands down.
@@DrPhillipMcCracken Dunning Kruger effect FTW
Also, imposter syndrome is both lethal and common at this level.
I manage large computer networks and it's rare to work with anyone I wouldn't consider to be a genius. It really messes with your sense of your own ability.
You need to remind yourself that when you're evaluating your ability, you're not comparing yourself with normal people, you're comparing yourself with geniuses.
Also whyyyy I oughta
BUDDY BOY?
"Focus all energy on lip not quivering"
"👊😠🤛😤 *WHY-AIII-OUGHTA!!* "
This was a beautiful show and then they made the last season and threw it all out the window.
Season 8 was just fine.
Season 9 is a shameless cash grab. Just...forget it ever happened. It was supposed to end at 8, but then the network forced it to go on like a terminal patient put on life support.
@@daynechastant there's a season nine?
I'll need to take a few minutes to setup the electrodes. It finished at season 8. Looks like a brain zap is required
Horrible management. It's very difficult to objectively evaluate yourself which is why there is value in an outside source helping to discover strengths and weaknesses. But since this is just a fictional show, it is a very moving and emotional scene.
Dr. Cox never wanted to be Management. Even Kelso when he made Cox Chief of Medicine suggested it was a step away from being what he wanted to do, which was be a doctor. But we don't always get what we want, and Cox had to do the job he was slated for.
@Dayne Chastant But as a person in a science field, review is necessary. Though, the evaluation could have been split into two parts: self evaluation and supervisor evaluation.
Both are needed.
Right. Makes for emotional/touching TV. But this message would've been delivered very easily just by Cox actually telling JD why he wanted JD to do his own eval in the first place. It didn't need to be the mind game Cox made it to be or the power trip capped off with his rant
0:07 *🤨Buddy boy??*
*✊🤛😡✊👊😡WHYYYY-III-OUGHTAAAA--!!*
Obviously super late comment but.... as someone in the medical field I thought this scenario was a little bit ridiculous. They had a point to make and they made it within the context of the storyline. But really, I was always annoyed when I got the "well how do you think you're doing" feedback back in training. At best, someone extremely reflective and with great self-awareness may identify some problems and improve on them. Most medical residents are too busy to spend their time self-analyzing themselves or frankly lack enough self-awareness to do it well. I saw the bad residents get a lot of attention in their evaluations to bring them up to the average/standard and the good residents get little useful feedback because they were already exceeding the standard. I would hope a good mentor would be able to elevate bad and good residents equally using pointed, constructive feedback.
I think Supergirl was on here everyone else was
0:52 is this an allusion to hellraiser?
he called JD a guy!
Coming from a doc, this is such an unrealistic conversation and situation no resident ever was in. The scene is more for TV, good, but mostly for drama.
Some of Cox's rants are stupid and childish and just plain silly... but every now and then he'll just drive a dagger into somebody's heart because you know he's absolutely right.
Nothing he says is childish he is breaking it down for the stupid which he thinks everyone around him is
Old Scrubs was awesome. No crazy flashbacks, no absurd scenarios...when the show wants to be serious and thought-provoking, it's just that...and boy does it make you think. The reason I liked the earlier seasons so much was because it felt so true to life... the later seasons lost that sense of groundedness.
Wich episode is ?
"My Fifteen Minutes" from season 1.
@@midlifecrisisincarnate thanks 🧡🧡
The WHOLE point of evaluations is that you get someone external to you helping you to see your own flaws. You can miss things about yourself that others would spot, and no amount of internal reflection would ever help you notice those flaws. This is why almost every single job has you evaluate yourself FOLLOWED by an evaluation with your supervisor. It combines everything together to try to make yourself better at your work.
Both characters seem to have missed that. Cox wants JD to evaluate himself, but fails to realize that you often need help to actually learn about yourself. And JD just wants Cox to evaluate him, not realize he needs to look at himself.
Both are in the wrong, but Cox has authority and power, so ends up winning the argument.
Besides the fact that Cox would've seen the evaluation and confirmed what J.D. said about himself, in the medical field, mistakes aren't really left up to interpretation. If you fucking kill a patient, no one is going to ask if you were working hard enough or care about your "professional workflow". They just care about what you know. And it's hard to lie to yourself about what you know. So self-evaluation isn't a massive detriment in this instance. Cox was right more than he was wrong, by a significant margin.
Sammy Gillespie The point was that JD RELIED on Cox to do it for him. Cox had to force him to think about it because it would be pointless without both perspectives
The funny part is, you claim both characters miss how evaluations work according to your definition, but they actually both do EXACTLY what you describe an evaluation should be ;)
Cox did evaluate JD at a meeting at the end of the episode.
No
If he really thinks jd is so weak, he could really destroy him treating him like that.
It sucks to work in a hospital, and when you get treated consistently like that, well, guess what, why NOT quit?
You need SOME kind of encouragement, jd really gives it his all, and cox treats him extremely disrespectful, tbh.
He's lucky he's got friends, because if there are only Dr coxes, there's no reason to keep working there.
Dr Cox didn't ONLY treat him like that. When the chips were down, Dr Cox was the one who had JD's back. When he needed a serious talk to support him, Dr Cox did give them. He might be a dick. But he's not absolutely cruel all the time.
At my last job, I wrote my own performance evaluation.
I also wrote the evaluations for my other team members (my level)
Mainly because we already knew our strengths and weaknesses, but we needed something well written that would push more bonuses our way and I was better at doing this than my manager was :-)
First of all, clean up your room noobie!
If Cox really expected him to do his own evaluation because he wanted JD to think about what he was good at and what he was bad at, he shouldn’t have been lounging around watching television after telling JD he had more important things than do his evaluation!
If you want people to treat something like it’s important, you have to actually ACT like it’s genuinely important, not pretend like you have a literally 1000 other better things to do!
You missed the point entirely
Who is here because of Joelle? 😪
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Cox is actually a real jerk here and this scene tries too hard to be ''emotional'' but instead comes off cheesy and overdramatic. Sorry-not-sorry, I love Scrubs but that's how it is. Those evaluations do matther, that's how it's done and it's not time and place to make it a ''lesson'' or psychological exercises. Without that evaluation residents/interns just can't move up the ladder. He could have picked another moment to teach JD a lesson - here he should have just shut up and done his job without being so patronizing. And doctors ARE accountable to other people, namely their patients and bosses, and they DO need assessment from them to check their progress, it's not a time for introspection, not that kind of job. All of you who go ''awww'' over this scene.... just think about it. That's why I prefer later seasons, they are less cheesy/dramatic and more realistic in terms of the job itself.
@Mike Kane
IKR? JD only wanted a killer evaluation because Elliott had gotten one no less by an attending who was trying to get into her pants.
Cox was attempting show JD the much bigger picture of it all.
He is a hard ass here but that's just how he is, especially in the earlier seasons. But he was especially hard on JD because he knew JD was a talented doctor and he expected more from him. His way of showing his disappointment was usually aggressive, but that goes to show how well Scrubs made characters show different emotions but in character
That's because you never worked in corporate kid, if you did, you'd know evaluations are a joke. No one is interested in making you better, they are interested in making you a better slave.
This advice might have not been the best applied to medicine, but for any other job? It's gold.
God, I hate Dr. Cox. He would be fired in real life.
I think it’s a good point Dr. Cox made
BUT if I were in JD’s shoes, I’d think Dr. Cox didn’t give a crap and was making me do the eval bc he couldn’t be bothered
I gave y’all Phillip and that was my union reverse card in Dublin so short of y’all finding something terrible on me which u won’t let me have this family in peace quit running my name all over town and fix her family it’s not fair to her that she can’t see them cause of me and u it’s fucked up y’all need to fix it
Uno reverse
I’m serious u got to do something so she can see them more she doesn’t need to suffer cause we’re playing James Bond