I'm pretty sure if you are abused as they were, your mental abilities at age 18 and 21 were nowhere near their actual age. They have done their time in and out of jail. Enough is enough.
It's actually a legal scandal in itself that this was even _possible_ to do by a judge. Scary thought what this says about the justice system back then.
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all simps will spring into action to defend him too. N.B. All criminals who claim to have been abused emotionally, sexually & physically, obviously have to be released from prison so you can start that campaign for Them now. LOL. Many within your same public domain have turned Chris Watts' mother into a monster soo He should be let out soon yeah?
There’s one person that was worse than Barbara Walters - judge Stanley Weisberg. He manipulated the court proceedings to ensure the brothers were found guilty of first degree murder, he patronised a significant amount of testimony regarding SA. He caused the brothers to go to prison for life. He set the example that Californian law is lacking in understanding of what SA victims go through, and why victims don’t trust going to the law.
Monsters should be banned from Netflix. The DA’s office should all have to face some sort of consequences for ignoring abuse. SNL needs to apologize too, for making fun of abused kids. Release them.
@@Littlething41 its disgusting. They make fun of him as he's weeping about talking about how he had been molesting his brother due to what his dad had taught him. I want to send in a petition or something. It's horrific its still up.
@@ginnnv Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them. The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information. The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too. They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased. On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed. For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said. Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were. The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel. N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@ginnnv There was Zero evidence of any se#ual abuse because Nothing happened. But hey, why not accuse your parents of Everything under the sun when you're facing the Death Penalty & you had already made sure that they could never Speak again. It is a Fact that their father threatened to make changes to the will in the spring due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed in Calabasas together only 12 months previously because He had to hand over a huge wad of cash to Those victims, to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. Kitty & Jose had to leave a show-stopping home behind that they never got to live in & all Because of the 'boys'. Everything changed dramatically when they moved to Beverly Hills & from watching the trial this past week, it's quite clear what that was. Things were coming undone again & after one too many further Very upsetting events at their new house, Jose made the Big mistake of Telling Lyle in the summer that he & Erik would be disinherited. Erik watched the 2-part movie Billionaire Boys Club & promptly contacted Lyle, who had a bright idea about Not getting caught. The parents had become afraid of their Sons & Kitty had started locking the bedroom door when she & Jose went to bed. Neither of the sons had a key for the house. Lyle was in the guesthouse down the back & Erik had to knock on the front door to get inside the main house. Now, what would You do if You were facing the Death Penalty & you too had a fellow demented brother who also would tell despicable lies about your parents, who were both deceased due to the Fact that you had Both Made Sure they could never Speak again? In other words, cunning you had cunning back-up. I'll wait for you to Think about what was Really going on in their sick demented heads before & after they were Caught.
@@yogabee2222 this case is more complicated than it appears, they were rich, probably that’s how the parents and they were spending money before the trafic event, oftentimes people do shopping 🛍️ to runaway from pain.
@yogabee2222 yea with what we know about abuse now in 2024 the studies and experts says this is how people look for ways to deal with this type of trauma and that is do whatever is best for you on how to distract yourself in dealing with it so it makes sense why they went on a shopping spree
unfortunately the sick law doesnt recognise nor allow killing due to abuse and sexual assault. Sick laws need to change. And it hadnt since 35 years ago in this case until now, nothing been changed !!
Listen up lovey, their lawyer had used that exact same defence prior & got her killer off on a manslaughter conviction only, so she Coached them the whole way & even provided a Book for their false accusations. About 8 events from that book were used for their acting debut in court.
@@bethryan9077 Dude, you really need to stop spouting so many big words in the comment section, you have literally no idea of this case, do some research first ffs. Your behavior is embarrassing.
@@bethryan9077Can you explain how they fabricated naked pics of the boys when they were young, found in an envelope with their mother handwriting on it?
@@RWRogersThey were not teenagers; they were legal adults, ages 18 and 21 years. Stop promoting the myth that they were “boys”! The prisons are filled with victims of child abuse, who lack impulse control and ability to delay gratification and act out with criminal activity.
I pray this DA is as compassionate as he seems to be and let’s these boys be free. They were kids who suffered brutal abuse physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually for over a decade. What they did was prevent a pedophile from doing it again to anybody ever. I would not call that murder, I’d call that protecting themselves and society.
@@acc4465 How is molesting a helpless adult any better? Seems to me that was part of the problem, is that they were helpless and molested all of their lives and one day, they were tormented enough to put a stop to it. Young adults that had never lived a normal life, so, in my opinion, still kids. I have four, and when they were that age, they were still developing. What about Jose Menendez, he was an adult too when he was molesting and torturing those boys. Their mother, who was so selfish about he own lifestyle chose to look the other way and allowed the abuse to occur was an adult too. What justice have those boys ever had? They rid the world of a big problem from my perspective.
@@StilettoRedhot you can’t abuse an adult male - it’s literally impossible. women should ask any adult male if this is possible. it’s not. they were 18 and 22 years old at the time of this crime. they had their own money - their own cars, etc. they were adult grown men who had already planned and committed felonies before they committed this crime. your imagination of things you have no idea about - isn’t evidence this happened.
@@acc4465 Eric was 17 at the time, so, he was for sure a kid. Lol, ask any adult male? Men get abused all of the time, that is what they tell me. No such thing as prison rape? Boy are you wrong there. First of all, I SAID helpless adult male, which means somebody who can’t defend themselves. Second, these boy were both abused as young children, then throughout the years UNTIL they were grown enough to do something about it. People have killed parents for less and got away with it. These boy WERE in harms way. What punishment did Jose Menendez receive for his actions? None. He got away with being a bastard until he was stopped cold. Each act of rape he committed against these boys should carry punishment equal to what these boys have already served.
Exactly. That blasted music made me think they were being actors as much as Kyle Rottenhouse was in court, when before I was convinced they were truthful and further convinced when I watched experts in body language explained to the UA-cam audience that they were being truthful.
I would like the judge in the 2nd trial to explain why the abuse was not allowed to be presented. He had to know that without it, the outcome would be exactly what it was! LADA wanted a "win." .....imo
@@jashley777 there is NO evidence of abuse. family testified to jose being a disciplinarian - nothing more. listen to the testimony. why do you WANT to belief this so badly that you are willing to accept it without evidence?
Gypsyrose was abused ,she killed her abuser and is now FREE ......what's different about these poor men ? WHY ARE THEY NOT LISTENED TO ? Judge for there trial needs to be looked at ..( he's probably dead though ,right??) Disgusting ..they were abused all over again whilst on trial!!
Stanley Weisberg was the judge. He didn’t allow to televise the 2nd trial for his political self interest. He’s evil and Pamela the prosecutor both evil
There were family members, Country Club associates of the Menendez parents and other victims who all knew what Jose Menendez did to his sons, yet none of them came forward at trial. If they were the Menendez SISTERS under the same circumstances, there may have never been a trial. They've served their time and paid their debt to society. It's long past time that they be released.
To be fair, even if they were the Menendez sisters, there would still have been a trial because of the killings. But the outcome and perception would have been totally different, I agree on that very aspect 100%. It was sexism at its best back then.
the question is ridicule , they were Lil kids in the hands of the real monsters who were supposed to protect love teach them life love . people defending the parents ur the sick ones , they killed those predators
Why the extremely annoying and inappropriate music? Have you no class? These are real human beings, not some characters in a suspense movie. Will never watch another of your videos.
I am not watching the Netflix show because it is not a true documentary. I prefer to watch actual testimony. Menudo band member who was under contract with their father has come forward with being abused by him also. There are more victims. It is extra hard for males to admit to being raped and sexually tortured. So much shame. I hope they get freed. They were railroaded at their second trial. Then separated in jail. Finally reunited in 2018 to the same cell block.
Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them. The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information. The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too. They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased. On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed. For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said. Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were. The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel. N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@bethryan9077 I guess we will really never know for sure, but their BASELINE body language, demeanor, mannerism, expressions, speech... denotes prior sexual abuse. Baseline meaning talking about neutral things not the testimony about the sexual abuse.
Who ever didn't allow abuse facts 2nd trial needs to be arrested.I been on their side for 10 years or more .Stop, let them out ,give them privacy n resources and protection
Barbara Walter’s, “Normal kid?! You just killed your parents!” What a F idiot she was! Their parents had killed them long ago and since toddlerhood. Are you f joking me?! It is so pathetically and tragically beyond sad how emotional, enoathically stupid and blind people are (a bit more so a few decades ago) to the impact and realities of severe neglect, abuse and trauma!
@@bethryan9077because it’s true. You don’t have 51 witnesses out of the blue. Each one has seen some part of this that didn’t feel right. So you could only imagine what happened behind doors! Shame on you!
@@Kay_Watermelon Seriously, it's embarrassing to say the least. Knows next to nothing about the actual case, but rambles on and on and on about it. Thank god it's 2024 and not the 90s anymore, anyone with half a brain cell can do their research on the case if they just choose to do so. Sad that so many people still don't. But at least they are in the minority.
I feel really sympathetic with this family’s tragedy, 24 members of their family want them out, Aunt Joan who is their mom sister said she wants to see them be released while she’s still alive at 92 years old!! i hope the people in power will make a satisfying decision and grant their wish to end this family’s tragedy and let them end this on-going suffering, heal and move on. It’s been 35 years!!!
Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them. The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information. The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too. They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased. On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed. For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said. Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were. The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel. N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
Listening to them on the documentary their stories haven't changed one bit! I truly believe a massive injustice has occurred here 😢 the judge was incredibly biased, they never tried play down how dreadful their crime was, they didn't need money, they would of went to jail straight away if the police did their jobs properly, the therapist tapes shouldn't have been allowed because even though he was threatened only information that was necessary should of been divulged and he should never have recorded them in the first place. If they were females they would be free. This continued injustice stops male abuse victims from speaking out and more families are suffering. I don't condone any kind of violence but this is what happens when children feel nobody will believe them. Free the brothers they've been punished enough
Their parents abused them, they served their time, let them whatever they have left of their time to enjoy it and help others. If their parents were normal functioning and emotionally regulated adults the boys would have never done this, wake up people!
So my question is why do we think the kids couldn’t walk away from their parents? Why two adult kids shot and reshot their father then shot their mom while she crawled away! The problem with this case is that they could have left, but they would have been disinherited and that was the motive! The abuse could have stopped upon their leaving, but they would have had to leave alllllll that money that they thought should be theirs. Critical thinking should reveal much but TikTok has muzzled wisdom
educate yourself on why victims of abuse cannot leave and do not leave in majority of cases. if you think they could have just walked away, you have been actively ignoring all testimonies of over 50+ people which characterised Jose in a very clear way. There is a lot of information from psychological journals and experts that discuss trauma and abuse. The irony of you ridiculing the 'tiktok people' for not having critical thinking when you haven't even bothered to research your own question. please stop embarrassing yourself. you have clearly made up your mind about the case long before you even tried to understand it, or look into the presented arguments. may life give you opportunities to understand what it is like to be a victim and not be believed.
Unless you have been the victim of your parents’ sexual and emotional abuse from the age of 6, I believe it’s impossible to understand or judge their actions. There is a level of control and psychological torture that is very very difficult to separate yourself from. Personally I would not judge these men guilty.
At the time- as i remember, the premeditation and that they reloaded their guns and returned to shoot their parents again- that they tried to cover It up- considered killing the therapist, were the main reasons they were convicted.I think those people who have stated the second trial was wrong because it did not include the evidence of S/A are correct. It should be corrected. However, i believe they were guilty of killing their parents for the money, because they could.
In a court of law, the prosecution has to provide convincing evidence of what happened, not what did not happen. There was no educational or medical evidence of sexual abuse by mandated reporters, such as the sociopathic siblings’ teachers or physicians.
@@luannaelena1972 What wasn’t credible evidence? The fact that family members testified to the abuse, including what Lyle had said to his cousin? When she told Kitty, kitty ignored it. What about the throat injury to Erik? What about the pictures of the two boys naked at Erik’s 6th birthday? None of this was credible evidence to you? Then, why the hung jury? Why did half the jury vote manslaughter? Hmm?
If it's proven that they were abused, they need to walk free. They've served their time already. I know that kind of abuse they received and the time period. I completely understand that you don't speak up when you are threatened not to speak up. I was too scared to speak up until I was 48 years old. I'm glad they got their abusers out of their life. My abuser is still alive, walking free, as I live in fear. I'm estranged from him, but he knows where I live and he could show up.
Abuse is not an excuse for murder. If one’s life is threatened, and one is in immediate danger of losing one’s life, there is an argument for self-defense, but it was not present in this case with two adult males, who could have walked away and left home. They did not want to give up the lifestyle that their generous father provided for them and feared only that they would be disinherited because they continued to engage in criminal behaviors.
@@luannaelena1972 One of them did try to leave when he was a teenager and was dragged back and threatened with a knife to never try to escape again. The fact that they could never escape the father's abuse was so well engrained into their brains, how tf is that the brothers only staying for the lifestyle????? Do you even understand how abuse affects you mentally??
@@Selena37-87 They are sociopaths. It’s hilarious how gullible you are to have fallen under their spell. Of course, they could have left. They went out and bought firearms, didn’t they?
@@Selena37-87 They are sociopaths. It’s hilarious how gullible you are to have fallen under their spell. Of course, they could have left. They went out and bought firearms, didn’t they?
They suffered like no child should ever suffer at the hands of the very people who were supposed to protect them as children😢😢... They deserve to be free,they have paid with their childhood suffering alone being put in jail for defending themselves was the freaking icing on the cake!. The world is a better place without Josè and Kitty Menendez. He was a tyrant and a phedophile and so was the mother. Sick sick individuals. My heart breaks for Erik and Lyle... the proof is there its all there yet the justice system failed them and sided with the parents it's disgusting!!!!.. So it's just f%#%king all fine and dandy to get molested by your parents in this day in age!!!!
There’s tons of psychologists and body language experts that say they are not lying. They didn’t know what dissociation looked like back then. They also didn’t believe boys could be sexually abused back then.
@@jenniferbyrne4567 Wrong on all counts. The real sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church and the fake sexual abuse scandals in the preschools were being examined and discussed in the 1989s and 1990s, and it was well-understood that boys were involved. Dissociation was understood well before then, too.
@@FungusAmungus-fl8iy Most of the people commenting and supporting the sociopathic siblings get their information fromm TikTok and were not alive when the Menendez trials took place. They are so certain about their mounds of misinformation because they no nothing about the history of law and psychology.
I did trauma therapy with men and women in the 1990's. At that time, the true consequences of a lifetime of abuse was just starting to be understood. Women were not believed and men certainly weren't believed. Men rarely reported it due to stigma.
These people that think people go around fakeing abuse because they have a motive..cause so much harm in the world..harm on top of harm.. sure they were crazy..what do you think abuse causes❓ People can pull faces but that blood welling up around and in the eyes and spontaneous panting..is authentic..I know
The judge in both cases was biased. He should not have been allowed to preside over both trials. It was also a move to wipe the egg off of the face of the DA after they lost the OJ case. That’s my opinion.
@@yalitzagarcia8394 true it takes me forever to right someone spell checker that's the hardest thing to do try to be just a good journalist thanks for noticing 😊
They were misunderstood and they deserve to be free and the way the trail was done they didn’t handle it right at the time and nobody was their behind closed doors 🚪 of what they went through with their parents
Absolutely agree 110%!! Even if what they claimed happened was true, they could have left and started over minus the money and the fact that they bought the weapons in advance and planned this out is called premeditation and the overkill with all the shots each parent received is way over the top and inexcusable!!
And they told the counsellor they did it because they were taken out of the will and proceeded to threaten him if he said anything, entitled little bustards.
I really hope Lyle and Erik can adjust to life outside prison walls once they are released. These men deserve to have a quiet, happy life after all they've gone through. It's truly a miscarriage of justice.
What kind of parents do this to their own children? Knew about the case but first time watching their testimony. Sad. They didn’t have good attorneys. The prosecutors were obviously ignorant of the effects of years of abuse.
Es hora de invertir la carga de la prueba. Las atrocidades brutales fueron cometidas durante más de 15 años por el padre y la madre: uno abusando, maltrando y violando de todas las formas habidas y por hacer de esos dos hijos, dos niños, y la madre por encubrir el abuso del padre con su silencio mortal, agravado por el vínculo!!! A esos niños les arrebataron la vida con armas letales e invisibles empleadas por quienes "deben cuidarte y proteger por encima de todo". Los hijos son responsables de haber matado, y ya cumplieron su condena... A los padres: quién los sancionará??!!! Siendo adolescentes, fueron violados por sus padres, por los profesionales que deberían administrar equilibradamente la aplicación del derecho y los profesionales de la salud. Rescato a su abogada absolutamente!!!!!!
The prosecution acting like the abuse is irrelevant is infuriating. It's the motive and it informs the dynamic in the family that precipitated the crime. The defense wasn't trying to say they didn't do it or that the brothers should be "excused"; they were simply pointing out that the actions were not that of malice, but of fear. Their father ruled over them through fear their entire lives, so it should've been manslaughter, NOT 1st degree.
I'm not saying monsters. But definitely people who premeditated 2 murders. And should stay where they are. What about the others that claimed abuse. When are they being released?
These brothers are not a threat to society,on the other hand,I think they have paid their dues,it's time for them to b released, they've suffered enough abuse since childhood,now they are victims of the justice system 😩
I will admit that when this happened I didn't buy the molestation testimony. They spent so much money that it did look like they did it for money. The testimony just seemed to over the top. I also never believed that they chose that night because they were in fear for their lives. After watching the documentary with Roy from Menudo my opinion changed. I 100% believe that they, mostly Erik were abused by the father and the mother let it happen. While they did a lot of planning, even using a friends license to buy the guns, due to the sexual abuse they should have gotten a lesser charge. I admit that I feel for Erik more than Lyle. Erik is the softer of the two and wasn't emotionally able to handle what happened to him or killing their parents. Hopefully the charge gets reduced based on the fact the judge didn't allow the abuse evidence in the 2nd trial and they get time served for the 30+ years they have been in prison.
The judge was COMPLETELY biast,he wanted them locked up. He overuled everything from the defense, sustained everything from procescution. Basically wanted it to be over with them locked up, hence what he did in the second trial. He's to blame for these poor guys going down for all these years. Despicable
I never watched the original court hearings, but coming back to this... it is shocking, disgusting what those boys went through. Free them already.
I'm pretty sure if you are abused as they were, your mental abilities at age 18 and 21 were nowhere near their actual age. They have done their time in and out of jail. Enough is enough.
They MUST be released!!!
That 2nd court case was a sham. Defence was not allowed evidence of abuse. That was disgraceful.
It's actually a legal scandal in itself that this was even _possible_ to do by a judge. Scary thought what this says about the justice system back then.
@@A.M-b8t You obviously lack understanding of the judicial system and how the players in a courtroom function.
@@luannaelena1972 Give it a rest already, jeez. How can you be so full of hatered towards people ?
@@A.M-b8tWhy don’t you take your own advice? Shallow brooks are noisy.
the evidence 100 percent says they were NOT abused. no evidence exists that they were abused. they are lying. why do you keep believing them?
I hope after 35 years Erik is emotionally strong and can live his life with freedom and purpose. Prayers they are both released ❤
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all simps will spring into action to defend him too. N.B. All criminals who claim to have been abused emotionally, sexually & physically, obviously have to be released from prison so you can start that campaign for Them now. LOL. Many within your same public domain have turned Chris Watts' mother into a monster soo He should be let out soon yeah?
Yeah watching his testimony is heartbreaking. He seemed to be in physical pain reliving the nightmare by sharing the details 😢
Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
Why is it that people seem to be empathizing way more with Erik than with Lyle?
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Between that and the Corey Feldman interview, Barbara Walters has cemented herself as one of the worst people around for male sexual violence victims
Oh man I forgot about Corey Feldman poor thing. 😢 The media is awful to young men and what the entertainment industry does to them. 😔
There’s one person that was worse than Barbara Walters - judge Stanley Weisberg. He manipulated the court proceedings to ensure the brothers were found guilty of first degree murder, he patronised a significant amount of testimony regarding SA. He caused the brothers to go to prison for life. He set the example that Californian law is lacking in understanding of what SA victims go through, and why victims don’t trust going to the law.
Monsters should be banned from Netflix. The DA’s office should all have to face some sort of consequences for ignoring abuse. SNL needs to apologize too, for making fun of abused kids. Release them.
Exactly yup 👍
I've not watched the SNL skit but it was in my recommendations. Frankly it should be removed from UA-cam. Would they do a skit on Lori Vallow???
@@Littlething41 its disgusting. They make fun of him as he's weeping about talking about how he had been molesting his brother due to what his dad had taught him. I want to send in a petition or something. It's horrific its still up.
This is sickening !! People getting rich instead of justice happening for these two victims
The Brothers are NOT the Monsters - their Parents were the Monsters!!!!!!
Exactly agree
I agree. These boys parents are the Munsters
@@ginnnv Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place.
Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them.
The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information.
The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies.
Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too.
They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings.
Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased.
On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed.
For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said.
Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were.
The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel.
N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
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@@ginnnv There was Zero evidence of any se#ual abuse because Nothing happened. But hey, why not accuse your parents of Everything under the sun when you're facing the Death Penalty & you had already made sure that they could never Speak again.
It is a Fact that their father threatened to make changes to the will in the spring due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed in Calabasas together only 12 months previously because He had to hand over a huge wad of cash to Those victims, to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. Kitty & Jose had to leave a show-stopping home behind that they never got to live in & all Because of the 'boys'. Everything changed dramatically when they moved to Beverly Hills & from watching the trial this past week, it's quite clear what that was. Things were coming undone again & after one too many further Very upsetting events at their new house, Jose made the Big mistake of Telling Lyle in the summer that he & Erik would be disinherited.
Erik watched the 2-part movie Billionaire Boys Club & promptly contacted Lyle, who had a bright idea about Not getting caught.
The parents had become afraid of their Sons & Kitty had started locking the bedroom door when she & Jose went to bed. Neither of the sons had a key for the house. Lyle was in the guesthouse down the back & Erik had to knock on the front door to get inside the main house.
Now, what would You do if You were facing the Death Penalty & you too had a fellow demented brother who also would tell despicable lies about your parents, who were both deceased due to the Fact that you had Both Made Sure they could never Speak again? In other words, cunning you had cunning back-up.
I'll wait for you to Think about what was Really going on in their sick demented heads before & after they were Caught.
They already did the time 🙏 Free them already 🙏❤️
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💯💯💯💯💯💯💯, far too long in fact!!! 35 f* years!!!!!!!
They slaughtered them both and they went shopping that's messed up 😢😮
@@yogabee2222 this case is more complicated than it appears, they were rich, probably that’s how the parents and they were spending money before the trafic event, oftentimes people do shopping 🛍️ to runaway from pain.
@yogabee2222 yea with what we know about abuse now in 2024 the studies and experts says this is how people look for ways to deal with this type of trauma and that is do whatever is best for you on how to distract yourself in dealing with it so it makes sense why they went on a shopping spree
When ppl are FED UP. THEY SNAP. THEY were sick of the abuse. They did their time. Nuff said
unfortunately the sick law doesnt recognise nor allow killing due to abuse and sexual assault. Sick laws need to change. And it hadnt since 35 years ago in this case until now, nothing been changed !!
It's damn obvious that he's not lying. The cross examination of Erik on this trial is disgusting. These people involved, all of them are disgusting.
Listen up lovey, their lawyer had used that exact same defence prior & got her killer off on a manslaughter conviction only, so she Coached them the whole way & even provided a Book for their false accusations. About 8 events from that book were used for their acting debut in court.
@@bethryan9077 Dude, you really need to stop spouting so many big words in the comment section, you have literally no idea of this case, do some research first ffs. Your behavior is embarrassing.
@@A.M-b8t Listen up deary, I am someone who tells the True facts about this case & it's not my fault that you don't like that. Aww.
@@bethryan9077 Who hurt you ?
@@bethryan9077Can you explain how they fabricated naked pics of the boys when they were young, found in an envelope with their mother handwriting on it?
Barbara, they WERE normal kids with abnormal, unfair upbringing!
Barbara was a terrible reporter, judgmental, and didn’t know boundaries sometimes
Barbara was stupid an fake, anyways.
@@rtjahyadi7868 Boundaries are for animals like livestock, not people.
Yeah, she was sooo DISRESPECTFUL to them, they handled it like gentlemen.
I HATE HER!!!!
horrible father!!!! Awful mother!!!! Let them OUT of jail asap.
@@RWRogersThey were not teenagers; they were legal adults, ages 18 and 21 years. Stop promoting the myth that they were “boys”! The prisons are filled with victims of child abuse, who lack impulse control and ability to delay gratification and act out with criminal activity.
So sad 😢😢😢😢this boys had enough !! They need to go free!
😢🙏🙏
Free them! The second trial was a sham!
I pray this DA is as compassionate as he seems to be and let’s these boys be free. They were kids who suffered brutal abuse physically, mentally, emotionally and sexually for over a decade. What they did was prevent a pedophile from doing it again to anybody ever. I would not call that murder, I’d call that protecting themselves and society.
they were adults.
@@acc4465 How is molesting a helpless adult any better? Seems to me that was part of the problem, is that they were helpless and molested all of their lives and one day, they were tormented enough to put a stop to it. Young adults that had never lived a normal life, so, in my opinion, still kids. I have four, and when they were that age, they were still developing. What about Jose Menendez, he was an adult too when he was molesting and torturing those boys. Their mother, who was so selfish about he own lifestyle chose to look the other way and allowed the abuse to occur was an adult too. What justice have those boys ever had? They rid the world of a big problem from my perspective.
@@StilettoRedhot you can’t abuse an adult male - it’s literally impossible. women should ask any adult male if this is possible. it’s not.
they were 18 and 22 years old at the time of this crime. they had their own money - their own cars, etc.
they were adult grown men who had already planned and committed felonies before they committed this crime.
your imagination of things you have no idea about - isn’t evidence this happened.
@@StilettoRedhot amen!!!
@@acc4465 Eric was 17 at the time, so, he was for sure a kid. Lol, ask any adult male? Men get abused all of the time, that is what they tell me. No such thing as prison rape? Boy are you wrong there. First of all, I SAID helpless adult male, which means somebody who can’t defend themselves. Second, these boy were both abused as young children, then throughout the years UNTIL they were grown enough to do something about it. People have killed parents for less and got away with it. These boy WERE in harms way. What punishment did Jose Menendez receive for his actions? None. He got away with being a bastard until he was stopped cold. Each act of rape he committed against these boys should carry punishment equal to what these boys have already served.
That trial footage did not need overpowering music to let us know how to feel, the testimony was riveting enough.
Exactly. That blasted music made me think they were being actors as much as Kyle Rottenhouse was in court, when before I was convinced they were truthful and further convinced when I watched experts in body language explained to the UA-cam audience that they were being truthful.
Two Horribly abused young men r behind bars While OJ walked away a it free… ‘90’s for ya
OJ Simpson was black it was a race thing, that's why he was released .He was also treated very special gor murdering 2 people
No shit! 90's was hell😢
It's because he was black he got off,after the rodney king trial they were too scared to punish a black man
The background music made it almost impossible to listen to.
I would like the judge in the 2nd trial to explain why the abuse was not allowed to be presented. He had to know that without it, the outcome would be exactly what it was! LADA wanted a "win." .....imo
💯 sickening
because NO evidence at all exists that show the abuse ever happened. that is really good reason to not allow it.
@@acc4465there was evidence drs pictures family spoke
@@acc4465 there was evidence - family testified about it. But how do you prove that when the people who did it are not alive. 🤦🏽♀️
@@jashley777 there is NO evidence of abuse.
family testified to jose being a disciplinarian - nothing more. listen to the testimony.
why do you WANT to belief this so badly that you are willing to accept it without evidence?
This shouldn't be by any means a political issue. This is about justice!
so they sentenced poor boys unfairly and now after half of the life want to reopen the case???? wtffff!!!! this world is sick
Exactly yup 👍 that’s what I was thinking 🤔 too wtf 🤬
Gypsyrose was abused ,she killed her abuser and is now FREE ......what's different about these poor men ? WHY ARE THEY NOT LISTENED TO ? Judge for there trial needs to be looked at ..( he's probably dead though ,right??) Disgusting ..they were abused all over again whilst on trial!!
Stanley Weisberg was the judge. He didn’t allow to televise the 2nd trial for his political self interest. He’s evil and Pamela the prosecutor both evil
There were family members, Country Club associates of the Menendez parents and other victims who all knew what Jose Menendez did to his sons, yet none of them came forward at trial. If they were the Menendez SISTERS under the same circumstances, there may have never been a trial.
They've served their time and paid their debt to society. It's long past time that they be released.
Totally agree
Stop spreading the BS.
To be fair, even if they were the Menendez sisters, there would still have been a trial because of the killings. But the outcome and perception would have been totally different, I agree on that very aspect 100%. It was sexism at its best back then.
@@A.M-b8t You're showing the sexism actually. Nobody with an Intelligent mind believed their despicable Practiced LIES deary. End of.
@@bethryan9077 Whatever makes you sleep better at night, darling.
the question is ridicule , they were Lil kids in the hands of the real monsters who were supposed to protect love teach them life love . people defending the parents ur the sick ones , they killed those predators
Why the extremely annoying and inappropriate music? Have you no class? These are real human beings, not some characters in a suspense movie. Will never watch another of your videos.
I remember you Dan covering the original trial for CourtTV. You and Nancy Grace sitting outside the courthouse.
God I’m old!!! 😂
It's strange how people just believe that these brothers are telling the truth
I am not watching the Netflix show because it is not a true documentary. I prefer to watch actual testimony. Menudo band member who was under contract with their father has come forward with being abused by him also. There are more victims. It is extra hard for males to admit to being raped and sexually tortured. So much shame. I hope they get freed. They were railroaded at their second trial. Then separated in jail. Finally reunited in 2018 to the same cell block.
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Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place.
Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them.
The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information.
The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies.
Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too.
They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings.
Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased.
On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed.
For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said.
Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were.
The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel.
N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@bethryan9077 I guess we will really never know for sure, but their BASELINE body language, demeanor, mannerism, expressions, speech... denotes prior sexual abuse. Baseline meaning talking about neutral things not the testimony about the sexual abuse.
@@bethryan9077v
Very well said very well said thank you
This is intense to watch already stop with the background music.
His father such a heinous man
The Music in the Background is SOOO Annoying !!!!!
Their story is 100% truthful.the system let them down.free them immediately.
Who ever didn't allow abuse facts 2nd trial needs to be arrested.I been on their side for 10 years or more .Stop, let them out ,give them privacy n resources and protection
Barbara Walter’s, “Normal kid?! You just killed your parents!” What a F idiot she was! Their parents had killed them long ago and since toddlerhood. Are you f joking me?! It is so pathetically and tragically beyond sad how emotional, enoathically stupid and blind people are (a bit more so a few decades ago) to the impact and realities of severe neglect, abuse and trauma!
And you believe their Shit because?
@@bethryan9077 because it was corroborated, clown
@@bethryan9077because it’s true. You don’t have 51 witnesses out of the blue. Each one has seen some part of this that didn’t feel right. So you could only imagine what happened behind doors! Shame on you!
@@bethryan9077 Seeing you angry-reply to everyone's comments here is hilarious.
@@Kay_Watermelon Seriously, it's embarrassing to say the least. Knows next to nothing about the actual case, but rambles on and on and on about it. Thank god it's 2024 and not the 90s anymore, anyone with half a brain cell can do their research on the case if they just choose to do so. Sad that so many people still don't. But at least they are in the minority.
I feel really sympathetic with this family’s tragedy, 24 members of their family want them out, Aunt Joan who is their mom sister said she wants to see them be released while she’s still alive at 92 years old!! i hope the people in power will make a satisfying decision and grant their wish to end this family’s tragedy and let them end this on-going suffering, heal and move on. It’s been 35 years!!!
It is so hard to comprehend such cruelty by father to hos own son.
They served their time set them free and God bless for the rest of their lives
Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place.
Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them.
The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information.
The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies.
Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too.
They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings.
Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased.
On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed.
For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said.
Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were.
The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel.
N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
Listening to them on the documentary their stories haven't changed one bit! I truly believe a massive injustice has occurred here 😢 the judge was incredibly biased, they never tried play down how dreadful their crime was, they didn't need money, they would of went to jail straight away if the police did their jobs properly, the therapist tapes shouldn't have been allowed because even though he was threatened only information that was necessary should of been divulged and he should never have recorded them in the first place. If they were females they would be free. This continued injustice stops male abuse victims from speaking out and more families are suffering. I don't condone any kind of violence but this is what happens when children feel nobody will believe them. Free the brothers they've been punished enough
They deserve JUSTICE, FREEDOM and HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREE MENENDEZ BROTHERS NOW THEY ARE VICTIMS
Please re-upload this without the horrible music. Urgh!!!
Resentencing is hard but possible. PLEASE LET THESE GUYS GO FREE! THEY'VE PAID THEIR DEBT FOR THE CRIME! MORE THAN PAID!!
They don’t need a new trial, they need a resentencing!
They are misunderstood!! How sad is this..
Couldn’t make it past 5 minutes. The music is too loud, too much.
Their parents abused them, they served their time, let them whatever they have left of their time to enjoy it and help others. If their parents were normal functioning and emotionally regulated adults the boys would have never done this, wake up people!
Release , I hope they will be safe and supported .. Menedez borthers side
Music in the background makes it so annoying and hard to hear. Couldn’t continue listening.
😢 makes me cry i can’t feel his emotions ❤🙏
I agree 😢 is too painful to hear and watch this brothers talk.. God I ask you to have mercy with this poor men! 🙏
Free the brothers free free justice
So my question is why do we think the kids couldn’t walk away from their parents? Why two adult kids shot and reshot their father then shot their mom while she crawled away! The problem with this case is that they could have left, but they would have been disinherited and that was the motive! The abuse could have stopped upon their leaving, but they would have had to leave alllllll that money that they thought should be theirs. Critical thinking should reveal much but TikTok has muzzled wisdom
Abuse has many faces, shapes, and forms. So thus the effects of it. Spending lavishly was just among the many effects - freedom.
educate yourself on why victims of abuse cannot leave and do not leave in majority of cases. if you think they could have just walked away, you have been actively ignoring all testimonies of over 50+ people which characterised Jose in a very clear way.
There is a lot of information from psychological journals and experts that discuss trauma and abuse. The irony of you ridiculing the 'tiktok people' for not having critical thinking when you haven't even bothered to research your own question. please stop embarrassing yourself. you have clearly made up your mind about the case long before you even tried to understand it, or look into the presented arguments.
may life give you opportunities to understand what it is like to be a victim and not be believed.
Unless you have been the victim of your parents’ sexual and emotional abuse from the age of 6, I believe it’s impossible to understand or judge their actions. There is a level of control and psychological torture that is very very difficult to separate yourself from. Personally I would not judge these men guilty.
At the time- as i remember, the premeditation and that they reloaded their guns and returned to shoot their parents again- that they tried to cover It up- considered killing the therapist, were the main reasons they were convicted.I think those people who have stated the second trial was wrong because it did not include the evidence of S/A are correct. It should be corrected. However, i believe they were guilty of killing their parents for the money, because they could.
You turned them into monsters for the public. Shame on you. They must be released. They will be.
I'd love to hear the prosecutions case ..
What proof did they have that it didn't happen??
In a court of law, the prosecution has to provide convincing evidence of what happened, not what did not happen. There was no educational or medical evidence of sexual abuse by mandated reporters, such as the sociopathic siblings’ teachers or physicians.
@@luannaelena1972 There was. Watch the first trial.
@@Kay_WatermelonI watched it on CourtTV as it happened. It was not credible evidence and did not prove that there was sexual abuse.
@@luannaelena1972 What wasn’t credible evidence? The fact that family members testified to the abuse, including what Lyle had said to his cousin? When she told Kitty, kitty ignored it. What about the throat injury to Erik? What about the pictures of the two boys naked at Erik’s 6th birthday? None of this was credible evidence to you? Then, why the hung jury? Why did half the jury vote manslaughter? Hmm?
@luannae.deveynis1154 yes it did
The Parents were the Monsters
Well if your getting your information by watching Netflix you don't know the case please take the time to get the facts
If it's proven that they were abused, they need to walk free. They've served their time already.
I know that kind of abuse they received and the time period.
I completely understand that you don't speak up when you are threatened not to speak up. I was too scared to speak up until I was 48 years old.
I'm glad they got their abusers out of their life. My abuser is still alive, walking free, as I live in fear. I'm estranged from him, but he knows where I live and he could show up.
Abuse is not an excuse for murder. If one’s life is threatened, and one is in immediate danger of losing one’s life, there is an argument for self-defense, but it was not present in this case with two adult males, who could have walked away and left home. They did not want to give up the lifestyle that their generous father provided for them and feared only that they would be disinherited because they continued to engage in criminal behaviors.
@@luannaelena1972 One of them did try to leave when he was a teenager and was dragged back and threatened with a knife to never try to escape again. The fact that they could never escape the father's abuse was so well engrained into their brains, how tf is that the brothers only staying for the lifestyle????? Do you even understand how abuse affects you mentally??
@@luannaelena1972 "two adult males, who could have walked away and left home". So sick of this victim blaming bs smh. Not every victim can escape!
@@Selena37-87 They are sociopaths. It’s hilarious how gullible you are to have fallen under their spell. Of course, they could have left. They went out and bought firearms, didn’t they?
@@Selena37-87 They are sociopaths. It’s hilarious how gullible you are to have fallen under their spell. Of course, they could have left. They went out and bought firearms, didn’t they?
Please just let them free. Let them be happy at least , they did too long in prison 😢😢😢
#FreeTheMenendezBrothers 😢
They suffered like no child should ever suffer at the hands of the very people who were supposed to protect them as children😢😢...
They deserve to be free,they have paid with their childhood suffering alone being put in jail for defending themselves was the freaking icing on the cake!.
The world is a better place without Josè and Kitty Menendez. He was a tyrant and a phedophile and so was the mother. Sick sick individuals. My heart breaks for Erik and Lyle... the proof is there its all there yet the justice system failed them and sided with the parents it's disgusting!!!!..
So it's just f%#%king all fine and dandy to get molested by your parents in this day in age!!!!
Free the Menendez Brothers 🙏♥️
There’s tons of psychologists and body language experts that say they are not lying. They didn’t know what dissociation looked like back then. They also didn’t believe boys could be sexually abused back then.
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@@jenniferbyrne4567 Wrong on all counts. The real sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church and the fake sexual abuse scandals in the preschools were being examined and discussed in the 1989s and 1990s, and it was well-understood that boys were involved. Dissociation was understood well before then, too.
@@luannaelena1972they act like people were some sort of cavemen in the 90's 😂
@@FungusAmungus-fl8iy Most of the people commenting and supporting the sociopathic siblings get their information fromm TikTok and were not alive when the Menendez trials took place. They are so certain about their mounds of misinformation because they no nothing about the history of law and psychology.
I did trauma therapy with men and women in the 1990's. At that time, the true consequences of a lifetime of abuse was just starting to be understood. Women were not believed and men certainly weren't believed. Men rarely reported it due to stigma.
These people that think people go around fakeing abuse because they have a motive..cause so much harm in the world..harm on top of harm..
sure they were crazy..what do you think abuse causes❓
People can pull faces but that blood welling up around and in the eyes and spontaneous panting..is authentic..I know
The judge in both cases was biased. He should not have been allowed to preside over both trials. It was also a move to wipe the egg off of the face of the DA after they lost the OJ case. That’s my opinion.
Free the Menendez Brothers please 🙏💯❤️🇿🇦📣 free President Nelson Mandela 27 years in prison now released rest in peace Mr President 🙏💯❤️🇿🇦
I thought the time reset again for a second, Mandela was released in 1990 and he passed away in 2013
@@yalitzagarcia8394 true it takes me forever to right someone spell checker that's the hardest thing to do try to be just a good journalist thanks for noticing 😊
🙏🙏🙏🙏 either way God bless them
They were misunderstood and they deserve to be free and the way the trail was done they didn’t handle it right at the time and nobody was their behind closed doors 🚪 of what they went through with their parents
What i dont get is how could you go on a shopping spree after doing so they weren,t crying then..........?
@@captainsenileinfo It's called retail therapy.
@@Seashay4eva OH THATS FUNNY SONNY.
Im sorry but I didnt believe them before and still dont believe them now.
Absolutely agree 110%!! Even if what they claimed happened was true, they could have left and started over minus the money and the fact that they bought the weapons in advance and planned this out is called premeditation and the overkill with all the shots each parent received is way over the top and inexcusable!!
And they told the counsellor they did it because they were taken out of the will and proceeded to threaten him if he said anything, entitled little bustards.
They killed for the money. I'm not saying they were not abused but it was about money and the fathers will it was premeditated. .
I really hope Lyle and Erik can adjust to life outside prison walls once they are released. These men deserve to have a quiet, happy life after all they've gone through. It's truly a miscarriage of justice.
It is soooo different hearing an independent speak compared to those lemming party politicians! How refreshing to hear sensible talk!
The background sounds are irritating-- much too loud and obviously manipulative.
EVERYONE SHOULD WRITE FREE THE BOY'S ON ANYTHING ABOUT THE MENDEZ CASE
When lawyers lie, they need to be held accountable. Their lies do a great deal of damage.
What kind of parents do this to their own children? Knew about the case but first time watching their testimony. Sad. They didn’t have good attorneys. The prosecutors were obviously ignorant of the effects of years of abuse.
Es hora de invertir la carga de la prueba. Las atrocidades brutales fueron cometidas durante más de 15 años por el padre y la madre: uno abusando, maltrando y violando de todas las formas habidas y por hacer de esos dos hijos, dos niños, y la madre por encubrir el abuso del padre con su silencio mortal, agravado por el vínculo!!! A esos niños les arrebataron la vida con armas letales e invisibles empleadas por quienes "deben cuidarte y proteger por encima de todo".
Los hijos son responsables de haber matado, y ya cumplieron su condena...
A los padres: quién los sancionará??!!!
Siendo adolescentes, fueron violados por sus padres, por los profesionales que deberían administrar equilibradamente la aplicación del derecho y los profesionales de la salud. Rescato a su abogada absolutamente!!!!!!
The prosecution acting like the abuse is irrelevant is infuriating. It's the motive and it informs the dynamic in the family that precipitated the crime. The defense wasn't trying to say they didn't do it or that the brothers should be "excused"; they were simply pointing out that the actions were not that of malice, but of fear. Their father ruled over them through fear their entire lives, so it should've been manslaughter, NOT 1st degree.
I'm not saying monsters. But definitely people who premeditated 2 murders. And should stay where they are. What about the others that claimed abuse. When are they being released?
Knock off the loud background music!
Free Lyle and Erik!
Free them
This lawyer was spot on. Looks like they’ll be released based on the sentence and she called this a week ago
What's with the clown music blasting away any chance to hear the testimony?
The judge and the DA were corrupt 😢
35 years, they served enough time my god
Algún día los hermanos Menéndez sean libres y Edgardo días capturado por las cosas malas que les hizo al grupo menudo.
These brothers are not a threat to society,on the other hand,I think they have paid their dues,it's time for them to b released, they've suffered enough abuse since childhood,now they are victims of the justice system 😩
Sue!!!!!
The way they jailed these brothers is without any care for the hell they endured for so long. They gave them no choice
Release them and send Gypsy Rose back in.
Exactly
That Hoffman man sounds like he’s good at shuffling papers and getting nothing done.
I will admit that when this happened I didn't buy the molestation testimony. They spent so much money that it did look like they did it for money. The testimony just seemed to over the top. I also never believed that they chose that night because they were in fear for their lives. After watching the documentary with Roy from Menudo my opinion changed. I 100% believe that they, mostly Erik were abused by the father and the mother let it happen. While they did a lot of planning, even using a friends license to buy the guns, due to the sexual abuse they should have gotten a lesser charge. I admit that I feel for Erik more than Lyle. Erik is the softer of the two and wasn't emotionally able to handle what happened to him or killing their parents. Hopefully the charge gets reduced based on the fact the judge didn't allow the abuse evidence in the 2nd trial and they get time served for the 30+ years they have been in prison.
Definitely misunderstood, they lived in hell with those monster parents
Misunderstood
The second trial was negligent!!!!!!!
Tha second trial was unfair ! They couldnt tell the truth about the abuse when they couldnt use it !!! Give them another trial !!
The judge was COMPLETELY biast,he wanted them locked up. He overuled everything from the defense, sustained everything from procescution.
Basically wanted it to be over with them locked up, hence what he did in the second trial. He's to blame for these poor guys going down for all these years. Despicable