Gypsy Rose was not abused! please someone look at the evidence that is now all over the place. She was born with a chromosomal disorder, and her mother didn't have Munchausen...please please someone look at it, even if you think it is bull... I promised you would see the truth once you piece everything together.
Kitty began to lock the door to her bedroom at night and she kept two twenty-two rifles in her closet. She would not allow Lyle and Erik to have keys to the house. When the brothers came home at night, Kitty would let them into the house, even if she had to be awakened from sleep. It was apparent that something was frightening Kitty. Her fears were probably exacerbated by something the brothers' psychotherapist, Jerome Oriel, told Kitty. Kitty's psychiatrist had recommended Jerome Oziel when Erik and Lyle were ordered to undergo psychological counseling for the Calabasas burglaries. Shortly after Erik started treatment with Oziel, he gave permission to Oziel to discuss the contents of his sessions with Jose and Kitty. Kitty's fears may have been brought on by something she learned from Oziel. On July 19, 1989, Kitty went to her therapist and told him that she feared her sons were sociopaths, a psychiatric term used to describe a person who lacks a conscience. Kitty's therapist made notes of the session that indicated that Kitty was concerned that her sons were "narcissistic, lacked consciences and exhibited signs that they were sociopaths..
@@nellym.6555 Go away, I’m not engaging with you. You are obsessed defending these pds in every comment section. Even making up stories to defend the pds. I hope you don’t have children around you.
@lhr8833 In 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
@@nellym.6555Oziel lost his licenses . if the girlfriend wouldn't have turned the recording of the confession he mostly likely was planning on bribing the boys . that's the kind of therapist Oziel was . sleazy .
I think the Menendez brothers should be released. From a legalistic perspective it may make sense to keep them in prison, but they tried everything else, like confronting his father, telling relatives, running away, and nothing worked. They endured extreme abuse since a very young age, they had terrible role models, and were under death threat. On top of that, at the age they murdered tbeir parents, their brains were not fully developed, so their judgment wasn't as formed as an adult, especially taking into consideration the almost unbearable burden they were carrying for most of their lives. Finally, they have shown remorse and have been model immates. Their unfortunate action was an isolated one, under atrocious suffering and fear.
The sad part is? All the father had to do was back off when Lyle confronted him. He should have told Lyle that he would stop abusing Erik, and that he would get help.
@@leonoracosta6490 absolutely! So many things went against them including political interference by the judge who sentenced them. I know they were old enough to make decisions but they were infact abused and hampered their brain development as well! I’m sorry it took a while for people to speak up but you know they are resilient and will always try make the best of whatever is thrown at them. I hope no one else preyed on them, their parents, therapist, judge, Norma….they deserve to be freed and finally not owe anyone!
Yes. There are a lot of people that have abusive parents and unfortunately the offenders go unnoticed. I have been researching the topic and read on a legal website so many people don’t even admit this crime happens later in life late as their 50s. But then it is too late to be vindicated due to statute of limitations.
True, and most don’t kill their parents. Slaughter, actually. Those who are so invested ‘in the truth’ need to read the crime reports and the autopsies.
@ac-fp9lx You must not have followed the Trial and evidence presented. If you did you would know it was all Amber Herd . She is dangerous, vindictive and calculating and of course a pathological liar. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Different circumstances? Gypsy’s mom was keeping her ill and there was proof from doctors and first hand witnesses and she wasn’t the one who actually murderd her mother These guys had no proof of the abuse they allege there parents did to them and they actually shot there parents with shot guns about 15 rounds so two different cases.
I think that Lyle should continue working with victims!! From the research I’ve done he’s great with victims in the prison and people that write him. And Erik is an amazing painter I’d love to see his work in a gallery one day!
I just heard an interview with Lyle and his lawyer and Lyle said he would like to come back to the prison system (when he's free) to continue his work with the prison reform and with SA victims. 💖
He has confirmed that this is his goal. He really has done amazing things! I hope they are both released and able to live fulfilling lives on the outside!
@@jashley777 It will always be astounding to us Normal people as to Why so many of you just believe their despicable BS. Jeez. BTW - I'm sure Chris Watts deserves a 'chance' too soo, let's say 5 years & he gets to walk amongst us again yeah? How many kids should he have with the next wife?
@mitzimcewan9124 Exactly ! The first trials for both brothers were hung juries because after hearing what they went through they couldn't say they had committed first degree murder, even after the second trial some of the jurors who found them guilty spoke out saying they would of found differently if they had heard the evidence of abuse first. Surely of it changes your mind on how the brothers must of felt on the night it happened due to years and years of varied abuse, then it should be taken into consideration before you find them guilty.
I really do pray that the district attorney does look at this case with open eyes and not vindictive eyes. These two are survivors and need to be treated as such.
@@VictoriaLynn59 these two were abused their entire life. They were also 18/20. A males brain doesn't even finish developing until they are in their mid 20's. So between the underdeveloped brain and trauma, no they couldn't just up and leave. I understand that they killed their abusers, that is never justified. However, with that being said, I feel they have served their time. In my opinion the DA needs to resentence based on the fact that we shouldn't be punishing victims like this. What is this going to tell other victims?
Os meninos mesmo com 18 e 21 anos estavam mortos na alma e aqueles abusos precisava ter um fim e eles foram Homens o bastante para dar um fim naqueles demônios ,pois não faziam papel de pais e sim eram demônios.
just ridiculous and naive to believe their stories after partying for months and fooling police they are not a trustworthy source plus they slaughtered their successful parents to get more access to stuff things they didnt earn
The mom was an abuser verbally, physically and sexually and a enabler. She told Erik she new about the abuse from the dad. Omg. These ppl are ignorant 😭😡! This was talked about in court. Hosue had the phones tapped what a Narc.
You don't murder them YOU MOVE. They were grown adults. They could of gotten jobs and their own place. They didn't want to do for themselves tho. It was easier to murder and get what the parents worked for NOT THE RICH KIDS.
Let reputable Doctors speak on what the result of a lifetime of psychological and physical damage has on children. I would imagine their abuse could definitely cloud their judgement. I believe they pose no threat to others and have served 35 years for their crime. It's time!
@@candor5567 Erik's Psychatrist in prison gave a well rounded understanding of his character, condition and genuine trauma. Even though it's over 35 years ago and the profession has since evolved even more, its interesting how little the works of professionals and aspects of trauma concepts have sunk through to general puplic who rather still attach their own emotions to shallow media gossip than learning anything.
What people have to understand is Jose was a powerful and wealthy man, the brother es couldn’t just walk out and tell the police or refused to Jose, he would have find the way to kill them and make it look like an accident, it was reasonable the feared they had. If Jose would have been an ordinary man, maybe but no to Jose Menendez, he was equal power.
Who knows, what matters is they were abused and messed up mentally. They couldn't make reasonable decisions, it's the fathers fault. He damaged them by abusing them.
He was like Diddy. They were like Cassie Ventura. Their dad could pay people off and get away with anything due to our celebrity worship and money worship. Sad
Seriously, stop and think about what you are saying. They were adults and did not have to live at home with mom and dad, but they chose to carefully plan out their murder, buy the shotgun ahead of time, come up with alibis and go on a shopping spree after. They are guilty as sin... I am not saying that the abuse didn't happen, but there's many different people they could have reported it to and have the father arrested. My issue is why didn't someone get involved when they were told? Instead, everyone swept it under the rug and allowed the alleged abuse to continue.
@@kcwatermarkThat argument that "they were adults they could have just left" is so fkin ignorant. DV is psychologically torturous. Leaving your abuser is the most dangerous time for a victim bc statistically that is when they get k*lled. I was well into my thirties in an abusive marriage and it took me 3.5 years to get the courage to leave. they were 18 and 21. Give me a break. Stop spouting this nonsense.
How long would the parents be in prison for if convicted for their horrendous worst crimes against children? Unfortunately those cases aren't taken serious enough.
I wish people would stop saying that if it were two females, they would not have been locked up. Give me a break. Prisons are full of abused women who finally snap and kill their abuser. It just depends on the jury and who is presiding over the case. We have so many pedophiles on the streets just living normal lives because nobody believes the children have a say in what happens in life. Children are dismissed all the time. How do you think about child feels after being molested by an uncle, brother, or grandfather etc and they still have to see them at a family get-together at holidays and other occasions. J7st because nobody wants to put a ripple in the family or be embarrassed in public because of the things that are going secretly.😢😢😢
It isn't that series that has people up in arms to have them released. It's their original testimony that's convinced people they should be released. Seems you didn't watch the first trial where Lyle testified there was abuse by their mother as well.
Please stop lying, they were never abused, these men traveled all over the world, they were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
@@leiakiki The uprise has been going on for a few years now. The drama came out a month ago. Of course you are going to find those who think dramas are real but the overwhelming majority are basing their judgements on the first trial.
This is so true that people might take the show for facts, I have literally seen a comment under the scene from the first trial someone saying he thinks the show is more accurate than what they are saying here 🤦♀️ Like what? People willfully chose to believe the fictional story... just wild.
It depends on whether it's a sentence of life with the possibility of parole or life without the possibility of parole. Had it been life with the possibility of parole, they would have been eligible for parole after 25 years. It also depend on which state you're in. It varies state to state
@@charlesgriffith7166 their first trial ended in a mistrial and the second trial they limited what abuse could be used (insane!!) and they were charged with first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison.
With respect to the cameras in court, I couldn’t help but notice that the main stream media spin in favour of Amber Heard post-verdict appeared to be contrary to what was clearly observable in the court proceedings, so the cameras allowed us to get a more balanced view of justice in action. I wish British courts would provide such televised coverage
Who cares what this lawyer thinks? He has nothing to do with the case. They were abused. As a survivor, they were. I could feel their pain during their testimony 😢
@@pinklady4703 Yes they were abused. There is evidence from the naked pictures that were in the court room and they were in fear for their lives. There’s no way that they lied. Did you even watch the trial? Don’t be naive. Ppl saying that they aren’t abused is being ignorant. There are testimonies from their family members that were there when it happened.
Correction** Gypsy Rose was clearly abused, because SHE said she was, but nobody corroborates it. 🤟 Making sure you speak FACTS. IF Gypshit gets a chance, the Menendez bros deserve MORE ❤❤
Thank you! I stopped watching at that point bc he clearly hasn't looked at all the evidence. There is no proof her mom suffered from MSBP. Every procedure Gypsy had done was found to be necessary due to her chromosome disorder. In her medical records that were released to the public, Drs recorded their concerns that "mother AND Gypsy were malingering." I could keep going, but I'd be here all night. I haven't even mentioned evidence that proves Gypsy's guilt. Ppl should watch "Becca Scoops" for a quick education on the whole case instead of repeating the defense's argument.
Gypsy Rose was a victim but then became a co-con artist with her mother, she could have outed her mother at any point once she was fully aware that she was able to walk etc. It is very likely that she took part in the murder beyond manipulating and using the ‘boyfriend’. She is not a nice person that is clearer everyday after her release.
This guy keeps saying the law hasn't changed. Seems he's against the brother's freedom. I just wonder why Gypsy Rose, who also planned her mother's killing, was sentenced to 10 years and served 8; and these brother's should not be resentenced to serve less than life without parole.
gypsy didnt buy a gun and kill both of her parents and then party for months lying to police making up stories she was actually abused her entire life and kept in a bad state purposely for financial gain through monthly checks from ssa and donations her mom was evil just like these two brothers who killed their parents for financial gain
Ben Chew, Is so humble. I hope he will help the Lyle and Erik Menendez. Poor, Erik, grew up in prison. They both are going to need a lot of support to enter back into society. I hope it happens.
Legally speaking this was murder - because evidence relates to, did you do it and how did you do it. In addition whether you planned it. Courts do not care about motive. Motive doesn't have to be proved, nor disproved.
In a way the Monsters show did a lot of help to us who were not aware of the case or even Menendez brothers existence coz we weren’t born by then and I'm basically from Asia so there's no way I'll know about a this much complicated murder case happened 10 years before I was born that also in America so it did us a favour to know about the case and to watch the trials and do research and it had the same effect worldwide and for that it also did a major effect on the case which would never happened if the show and It's controversy wasn’t made so thanks to the show for letting people like us know and to help with the case this much so now there’s a new hearing or maybe trial and probably resentencing and potentially the brothers will be out and free soon ❤
@@mantronixtubein California and ny daily they release much more dangerous criminals this da has re sentenced and let out over 200. Never mind the 1s they won't even prosecute.
Lyle confessed to the toothbrush incident in court, it is not what other "people" say, it is what the person say who was involved. Ryan Murphy's response comes off as very arrogant and disrespectful
What I don't understand is why there was an extensive psychological evaluation of both Amber Heard and Johny Depp, presenting in court, and both had not murdered yet anyone to my knowledge. But the culprit of Menendez drama is psychological trauma or psychological and mental inadequacy such as psychopathy and inability to control itself etc, and yet I had not seen at least one normal professional in the field of psychology who would analyze, test brother and keep an eye on them in prison decoding their behavioural patterns. I am so stepping on a bee here, and it hurts! And the irony that Menendez brothers were caught not by diligent police work, but by greedy and unprofessional psychiatrist is yet another evidence that a group of psychiatrists should have participated in this trial.
they were evaluated for their trial. Dr Vicary and Dr Ann Burgess also did some kind of evaluation. as far as continuous evaluation I cannot speak. both Dr Oziel and Dr Vicary had their licences revoked (on their own terms to avoid prosecution themselves) since the trial.
@@mantronixtubeNo they're not. "Murder" is committed by those with a depraved heart. In a cold blooded manner. Where the victim was an innocent victim. Which wasn't the case with these two. The parents had been physically, sexualy, and emotionally abusive toward them pretty much their entire lives. They were not "innocent" victims in other words. They deserved what happened to them. Which is why after reviewing the case, the D.A. is clearly entertaining the very strong possibility of these two being released sometime in the near future. Because the mitigating circumstances suggest these two didn't commit anything worse than Manslaughter. It still means they deserved to be held accountable. Just not as harsh as a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
Seems the biggest reason for appeal is that they did not allow the lesser charge of manslaughter to be considered. That only. The letter and Roy Rosello are secondary. Did Leslie Abramson not challenge the DA’s appalling decision to not allow manslaughter in the second trial?
Now, how come Rosello didn't show up as a witness back then to support the M'Bros and defend them from possible death penalty? He is of despicable, weak character if he didn't come forward back then and therefore I don't trust the words he speaks.
@@emmahyphenjanee Thanks. I think I remember, she tampered with or redacted the testimony of the therapist, Dr. Vickery. She definitely pushed the envelope.
Hoping the court will have a decision fair and just. They deserve to be happy and enjoy life of their remaining years. They have served more than what they should.
I don't know what prayers Johnny Depp did to earn him a lawyer like Ben Chew. In the hail of madness that is reality these days, what an awesome perspective.
These people have no idea what they're talking about. The brothers DID think they were in imminent danger the moment right before the murders after an explosive fight. And it was not premeditated. The shotguns were bought when their lives were threatened by the father after they confronted him with the abuse and they wanted to protect themselves. They thought they were going to be killed after a fight and they reacted in a state of fear and panic. That IS imperfect self-defense.
@leanneM-33 Kitty began to lock the door to her bedroom at night and she kept two twenty-two rifles in her closet. She would not allow Lyle and Erik to have keys to the house. When the brothers came home at night, Kitty would let them into the house, even if she had to be awakened from sleep. It was apparent that something was frightening Kitty. Her fears were probably exacerbated by something the brothers' psychotherapist, Jerome Oriel, told Kitty. Kitty's psychiatrist had recommended Jerome Oziel when Erik and Lyle were ordered to undergo psychological counseling for the Calabasas burglaries. Shortly after Erik started treatment with Oziel, he gave permission to Oziel to discuss the contents of his sessions with Jose and Kitty. Kitty's fears may have been brought on by something she learned from Oziel. On July 19, 1989, Kitty went to her therapist and told him that she feared her sons were sociopaths, a psychiatric term used to describe a person who lacks a conscience. Kitty's therapist made notes of the session that indicated that Kitty was concerned that her sons were "narcissistic, lacked consciences and exhibited signs that they were sociopaths
I actually didn’t get that from the show. I thought it created a lot of empathy towards them, where at first, there was none. It left me wondering which side was accurate and which wasn’t. But it did make me walk away thinking that the abuse was most likely real, the show covered that in depth. That scene where Erik tells all to his defense lawyer, that was a crazy scene and it didn’t hold back. Do I think they should be released? I can’t answer that right now.
It's obvious the brothers only killed their Mother for aggressive greed, evident on their infamous shopping spree. The Mother was a victim her husband had infidelity, many girlfriends. It's impossible to justify the brother's killing the mother. I don't want them as neighbors .
Sooo Law & Crime really has nothing else huh...everyone knows he was JDs lawyer...his name is Ben Chew....try using it instead of reducing him to only JDs lawyer for clicks.
The system is obviously RIGGED against those who are abused by their elders, including parents. This mindset MUST end! Those who are abused do NOT have help (go to police? talk to someone? Give us a break! NOT realistic!) And sometimes they are forced to take drastic measures to end the abuse. In the Menendez Bros case, it wasn't just the abuse, it's that their parents were GOING TO KILL THEM (by throwing them to the sharks)!!! It was self preservation. Remember the movie, CARRIE??? Yeah!
They make a show and now the women obsessed with tv series want the killers free. 😂 Something is seriously wrong with these women. Must be a single mother mindset.
@yourconnection9303 Put yourself in the shoes of a child that has been abused, verbally, sexually, physically, and psychologically by the two people who were supposed to protect you from all of that. You try telling others, confronting the abusers, and when you were old enough and saw your way out, you were told that it wasn't going to happen. Their father had nothing but power over them, and when Erick finally spoke out to his mother, she told him that she knew all about it. Lyle tried everything he could to rebel and stay away from those maniacs until he found out what happened to his little brother. If they had gone to the police, school teachers, etc, all the Father would have done is pay them off to look the other way. It happens far too much in our country, unfortunately. If those men that had minds of little boys would have gone public, the Father would have no problem having them killed to protect his reputation. He was cheating husbands who lied and abused his wife mentally until she hated herself and her children. He needed to be stopped. You're probably someone who is on Sean Combs' side also. It's people who think the same way as you that make it hard on the abused person.
@@21BRC88 So what you're saying is, if you're abused, you're going to murder your abuser? And the brothers went back to their home, after purchasing the guns, and then a few nights later, gunned down their parents who were sitting watching T.V. The brothers were also already adults, and could have moved away if they were that fearful. And if Eric was supposedly so traumatized from being allegedly abused, why didn't he murder his brother Lyle too? Because Lyle also SA Eric, and spoke about it during the trial when he was on the stand. Instead, Eric asked Lyle to help him murder their parents, and IMO, it was because they wanted to collect the inheritance. And btw, as for your rude comment directed at me, you're projecting.
How dare you compare Gypsy Rose and say she was abused and they weren’t and minimizing what Eric and Lyle went through with that monster. They were abused their mother knew what was happening and didn’t do anything to protect them. You didn’t live through it and you’re being ignorant to their situation and insensitive.
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Gypsy Rose was not abused! please someone look at the evidence that is now all over the place. She was born with a chromosomal disorder, and her mother didn't have Munchausen...please please someone look at it, even if you think it is bull... I promised you would see the truth once you piece everything together.
The mother was also an abser!! What is everybody’s obsession with defending that woman. Even her sister says she was very wrong.
Kitty began to lock the door to her bedroom at night and she kept two twenty-two rifles in her closet. She would not allow Lyle and Erik to have keys to the house. When the brothers came home at night, Kitty would let them into the house, even if she had to be awakened from sleep. It was apparent that something was frightening Kitty. Her fears were probably exacerbated by something the brothers' psychotherapist, Jerome Oriel, told Kitty. Kitty's psychiatrist had recommended Jerome Oziel when Erik and Lyle were ordered to undergo psychological counseling for the Calabasas burglaries. Shortly after Erik started treatment with Oziel, he gave permission to Oziel to discuss the contents of his sessions with Jose and Kitty. Kitty's fears may have been brought on by something she learned from Oziel. On July 19, 1989, Kitty went to her therapist and told him that she feared her sons were sociopaths, a psychiatric term used to describe a person who lacks a conscience. Kitty's therapist made notes of the session that indicated that Kitty was concerned that her sons were "narcissistic, lacked consciences and exhibited signs that they were sociopaths..
@@nellym.6555 Go away, I’m not engaging with you. You are obsessed defending these pds in every comment section. Even making up stories to defend the pds. I hope you don’t have children around you.
@lhr8833 In 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
@@nellym.6555Oziel lost his licenses . if the girlfriend wouldn't have turned the recording of the confession he mostly likely was planning on bribing the boys . that's the kind of therapist Oziel was . sleazy .
@lhr8833 These brothers, they robbed, tried to abuse their cousin and planned how to murder their parents, they were never abused.
I like how he’s now only known as “Johnny Depp’s Lawyer” instead of his actual name
Just thought that before I read your comment 😂
This Law&Crime Network commenter makes a funny point.
It’s actually Johnny depps dog walkers lawyer
hahahaha
His motions for Johnny Depp were written so well it was a joy to read them.
Whenever I see Ben Chew's name, I watch. Total respect for this man.
I think the Menendez brothers should be released. From a legalistic perspective it may make sense to keep them in prison, but they tried everything else, like confronting his father, telling relatives, running away, and nothing worked. They endured extreme abuse since a very young age, they had terrible role models, and were under death threat. On top of that, at the age they murdered tbeir parents, their brains were not fully developed, so their judgment wasn't as formed as an adult, especially taking into consideration the almost unbearable burden they were carrying for most of their lives.
Finally, they have shown remorse and have been model immates.
Their unfortunate action was an isolated one, under atrocious suffering and fear.
The sad part is? All the father had to do was back off when Lyle confronted him. He should have told Lyle that he would stop abusing Erik, and that he would get help.
@@ClintsessentialsWell said! 👍
Thank you for your comment!
@@leonoracosta6490 absolutely! So many things went against them including political interference by the judge who sentenced them. I know they were old enough to make decisions but they were infact abused and hampered their brain development as well! I’m sorry it took a while for people to speak up but you know they are resilient and will always try make the best of whatever is thrown at them. I hope no one else preyed on them, their parents, therapist, judge, Norma….they deserve to be freed and finally not owe anyone!
I honestly believe the Menendez Brothers were abuse by their parents, they have been long enough incarcerated and deserve to be freed.
Move them in with you then. Just hide your financials
@@dsoule4902
Grady !
I meant to say GLADLY
I do not in any way see the brothers as a threat! They should be FREE
Yes. There are a lot of people that have abusive parents and unfortunately the offenders go unnoticed. I have been researching the topic and read on a legal website so many people don’t even admit this crime happens later in life late as their 50s. But then it is too late to be vindicated due to statute of limitations.
True, and most don’t kill their parents.
Slaughter, actually.
Those who are so invested ‘in the truth’ need to read the crime reports and the autopsies.
Ben is such a likeable human being. A real gentleman. Johnny was so lucky to him and his team representing him. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Johnny the Woman Beater Depp
That was a movie 🎬
@@ac-fp9lx. Not
@@ac-fp9lx. Amber the Man and a woman beater Heard.
@ac-fp9lx You must not have followed the Trial and evidence presented. If you did you would know it was all Amber Herd . She is dangerous, vindictive and calculating and of course a pathological liar. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Johnny Depp’s lawyer has a name, it’s Ben Chew. STOP being so rude.
u gonna be ok
I d be happy by either moniker
Wtf?
chew what? does he swallow too?
35 years, and reports suggest they've been model inmates. Commute their sentence and let em out.
So then they would be on house arrest ?
💯
Keep them in prison.
@@VictoriaLynn59 For killing cockroaches?
@@VictoriaLynn59Agree Victoria
I hope they are released. If they let gypsy go, these guys should also be released.
EXACTLY!
How two wrongs would make it right?
Gypsy pled guilty to second-degree murd-r and never went to trial, she took a deal. The cases are not comparable.
Different circumstances? Gypsy’s mom was keeping her ill and there was proof from doctors and first hand witnesses and she wasn’t the one who actually murderd her mother These guys had no proof of the abuse they allege there parents did to them and they actually shot there parents with shot guns about 15 rounds so two different cases.
stop comparing two very different cases !!!
I think that Lyle should continue working with victims!! From the research I’ve done he’s great with victims in the prison and people that write him. And Erik is an amazing painter I’d love to see his work in a gallery one day!
I just heard an interview with Lyle and his lawyer and Lyle said he would like to come back to the prison system (when he's free) to continue his work with the prison reform and with SA victims. 💖
He has confirmed that this is his goal. He really has done amazing things! I hope they are both released and able to live fulfilling lives on the outside!
@@jashley777 It will always be astounding to us Normal people as to Why so many of you just believe their despicable BS. Jeez. BTW - I'm sure Chris Watts deserves a 'chance' too soo, let's say 5 years & he gets to walk amongst us again yeah? How many kids should he have with the next wife?
I would venture a guess that he'll make his living being a painter when released, and his paintings will go for big bucks.
I don’t believe people are saying “they are innocent. People are just expressing that the trial that sent them away for life was not 100% fair.
It wasn’t fair
@mitzimcewan9124 Exactly ! The first trials for both brothers were hung juries because after hearing what they went through they couldn't say they had committed first degree murder, even after the second trial some of the jurors who found them guilty spoke out saying they would of found differently if they had heard the evidence of abuse first. Surely of it changes your mind on how the brothers must of felt on the night it happened due to years and years of varied abuse, then it should be taken into consideration before you find them guilty.
Not even 50%fair
So unfair that abrahmson stopped to coercing an expert witness to alter his notes.
Not fair at all.
I really do pray that the district attorney does look at this case with open eyes and not vindictive eyes. These two are survivors and need to be treated as such.
They were grown adults who could of moved out of the parents house instead they murdered them in cold blood.
@@VictoriaLynn59 these two were abused their entire life. They were also 18/20. A males brain doesn't even finish developing until they are in their mid 20's. So between the underdeveloped brain and trauma, no they couldn't just up and leave. I understand that they killed their abusers, that is never justified. However, with that being said, I feel they have served their time. In my opinion the DA needs to resentence based on the fact that we shouldn't be punishing victims like this. What is this going to tell other victims?
yes but they are also murderers.
@@VictoriaLynn59shut up!
Os meninos mesmo com 18 e 21 anos estavam mortos na alma e aqueles abusos precisava ter um fim e eles foram Homens o bastante para dar um fim naqueles demônios ,pois não faziam papel de pais e sim eram demônios.
I agree with Chew that the public should see the judicial process and this be televised.
These two brothers would have had a totally different life if they hadn't been victims of abuse. I hope they are released.
Abuse??? Really? 😂😂😊
just ridiculous and naive to believe their stories after partying for months and fooling police they are not a trustworthy source plus they slaughtered their successful parents to get more access to stuff things they didnt earn
Right
@@nellym.6555 Are you laughing and denying they were abused? You're gross.
@idontarguewithfools These brothers, they robbed, tried to abuse their cousin and planned how to murder their parents, they were never abused.
Time served !!
😂😂
Free all criminals
The mom was an abuser verbally, physically and sexually and a enabler. She told Erik she new about the abuse from the dad. Omg. These ppl are ignorant 😭😡! This was talked about in court. Hosue had the phones tapped what a Narc.
Not everyone believed their dirty Kool Aid deary. Grow Up.
You don't murder them YOU MOVE. They were grown adults. They could of gotten jobs and their own place. They didn't want to do for themselves tho. It was easier to murder and get what the parents worked for NOT THE RICH KIDS.
You don't know what the mom Said. They did lie multiple times. 🙄
@@VictoriaLynn59 You are the reason victims can't speak out.
@@seltak407Concordo👍
Free these two…. The parents were the true monsters
No freedom they are monsters
They were not abused. That was a lie.
Let reputable Doctors speak on what the result of a lifetime of psychological and physical damage has on children. I would imagine their abuse could definitely cloud their judgement. I believe they pose no threat to others and have served 35 years for their crime. It's time!
@@candor5567 Erik's Psychatrist in prison gave a well rounded understanding of his character, condition and genuine trauma. Even though it's over 35 years ago and the profession has since evolved even more, its interesting how little the works of professionals and aspects of trauma concepts have sunk through to general puplic who rather still attach their own emotions to shallow media gossip than learning anything.
What people have to understand is Jose was a powerful and wealthy man, the brother es couldn’t just walk out and tell the police or refused to Jose, he would have find the way to kill them and make it look like an accident, it was reasonable the feared they had. If Jose would have been an ordinary man, maybe but no to Jose Menendez, he was equal power.
Who knows, what matters is they were abused and messed up mentally. They couldn't make reasonable decisions, it's the fathers fault. He damaged them by abusing them.
He was like Diddy. They were like Cassie Ventura. Their dad could pay people off and get away with anything due to our celebrity worship and money worship. Sad
Not even true
@@pinklady4703 why is not true, please explain.
I believe if they went to police, I don’t think they would have believed them.
It's so interesting to me what cases the DA decides to reexamine. So many innocent ppl in jail without a 2nd thought.
they need to be released. i’ve known about this whole case for years now, it’s so unfair to them no one believed them. i hate this world
There were plenty of people who believed them.
READ THE FORENSIC REPORT !!!
people who are abused shoot murder their parents ???
I believe them and there’s a growing new generation who believe them now
Seriously, stop and think about what you are saying. They were adults and did not have to live at home with mom and dad, but they chose to carefully plan out their murder, buy the shotgun ahead of time, come up with alibis and go on a shopping spree after. They are guilty as sin... I am not saying that the abuse didn't happen, but there's many different people they could have reported it to and have the father arrested. My issue is why didn't someone get involved when they were told? Instead, everyone swept it under the rug and allowed the alleged abuse to continue.
@@kcwatermarkThat argument that "they were adults they could have just left" is so fkin ignorant. DV is psychologically torturous. Leaving your abuser is the most dangerous time for a victim bc statistically that is when they get k*lled. I was well into my thirties in an abusive marriage and it took me 3.5 years to get the courage to leave. they were 18 and 21. Give me a break. Stop spouting this nonsense.
How long would the parents be in prison for if convicted for their horrendous worst crimes against children? Unfortunately those cases aren't taken serious enough.
I loved this lawyer during Depp trial. Amazing to see him again
If these boys were women, they wouldn't have been locked up. 35 years !!!! Come on, man, I hope they are released 🙏 🙏🙏 this is a disgrace 😤 😤
No. This is justice
I wish people would stop saying that if it were two females, they would not have been locked up. Give me a break. Prisons are full of abused women who finally snap and kill their abuser. It just depends on the jury and who is presiding over the case. We have so many pedophiles on the streets just living normal lives because nobody believes the children have a say in what happens in life. Children are dismissed all the time. How do you think about child feels after being molested by an uncle, brother, or grandfather etc and they still have to see them at a family get-together at holidays and other occasions. J7st because nobody wants to put a ripple in the family or be embarrassed in public because of the things that are going secretly.😢😢😢
Get them out now!!!!
let them live in your neighbourhood...
@@GrimReaper1971I’d would rather them living in my neighbourhood than you Grim reaper.
@@GrimReaper1971Sure why not
No freedom
Let them live in your house. Every time you heard a sound late at night you'd be like 😒
So glad you guys had Ben in this!! Very interesting listening to his opinions.
Seriously Law &Crime STOP with the Johnny Depps Lawyer Tag it is disrespectful to the lawyer and pathetic of you!
You don't just become a murderer overnight...
It isn't that series that has people up in arms to have them released. It's their original testimony that's convinced people they should be released. Seems you didn't watch the first trial where Lyle testified there was abuse by their mother as well.
I think it’s both. There are certainly a lot of people quoting events in the drama series like it’s gospel for reasons why they should be let out.
Please stop lying, they were never abused, these men traveled all over the world, they were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
And you believe their despicable BS because?
@@leiakiki The uprise has been going on for a few years now. The drama came out a month ago. Of course you are going to find those who think dramas are real but the overwhelming majority are basing their judgements on the first trial.
They weren't abused.
This is so true that people might take the show for facts, I have literally seen a comment under the scene from the first trial someone saying he thinks the show is more accurate than what they are saying here 🤦♀️ Like what? People willfully chose to believe the fictional story... just wild.
Why are these boys in prison but Gypsie Rose got out of prison
Isn’t her old boyfriend still in prison for it?
@@cov9445yes he is
Because she was able to manipulate someone else to do her dirty work. If she shot the gun herself, she would be in jail.
@cov9445 yes still in
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS
20:36 I agree! Its so important for “the people” to be able to witness our justice system in action 💯
Isn’t a life sentence 25 years? Why are they still in prison anyway?
@@allytrudie864 50
It depends on whether it's a sentence of life with the possibility of parole or life without the possibility of parole. Had it been life with the possibility of parole, they would have been eligible for parole after 25 years. It also depend on which state you're in. It varies state to state
No, we are not europe.
@@1014-m6s(europe doesn't have some kind of international, common sentencing, either.)
@@charlesgriffith7166 their first trial ended in a mistrial and the second trial they limited what abuse could be used (insane!!) and they were charged with first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison.
With respect to the cameras in court, I couldn’t help but notice that the main stream media spin in favour of Amber Heard post-verdict appeared to be contrary to what was clearly observable in the court proceedings, so the cameras allowed us to get a more balanced view of justice in action. I wish British courts would provide such televised coverage
So true!
Who cares what this lawyer thinks? He has nothing to do with the case. They were abused. As a survivor, they were. I could feel their pain during their testimony 😢
Millions of children are abused every year. They don't kill their parents and go on spending sprees
Exactly! 🙌
😂😂😂
No they were not abused
Ryan Murphy is a monster.
I don't believe them.
They were studying books on how to get off if child abuse took place and what to say.
Yes I agree. I don't believe them. Abuse claims were made up in my opinion.
who doesn't love Ben..
A very intelligent attorney.
his name is Ben Chew. Please be respectful
The parents should have been in jail before this tragedy happened
Why? They weren't even abused
@@pinklady4703 Yes they were abused. There is evidence from the naked pictures that were in the court room and they were in fear for their lives. There’s no way that they lied. Did you even watch the trial? Don’t be naive. Ppl saying that they aren’t abused is being ignorant. There are testimonies from their family members that were there when it happened.
@@coriemmett1363exactly!!
Correction** Gypsy Rose was clearly abused, because SHE said she was, but nobody corroborates it. 🤟 Making sure you speak FACTS. IF Gypshit gets a chance, the Menendez bros deserve MORE ❤❤
I know, that infuriates me. If people would only do some research they would see that she belongs in prison
Not just because she said she was there was actual evidence
Thank you! I stopped watching at that point bc he clearly hasn't looked at all the evidence. There is no proof her mom suffered from MSBP. Every procedure Gypsy had done was found to be necessary due to her chromosome disorder. In her medical records that were released to the public, Drs recorded their concerns that "mother AND Gypsy were malingering." I could keep going, but I'd be here all night. I haven't even mentioned evidence that proves Gypsy's guilt. Ppl should watch "Becca Scoops" for a quick education on the whole case instead of repeating the defense's argument.
She needs to be in jail
@@combos7it doesn’t matter, the law doesn’t say that you are allowed to kill for being abuse, that is why the brothers are in jail, why is she free.
Gypsy Rose was a victim but then became a co-con artist with her mother, she could have outed her mother at any point once she was fully aware that she was able to walk etc. It is very likely that she took part in the murder beyond manipulating and using the ‘boyfriend’. She is not a nice person that is clearer everyday after her release.
Freedom for the Menendez brothers❤️
This guy keeps saying the law hasn't changed. Seems he's against the brother's freedom. I just wonder why Gypsy Rose, who also planned her mother's killing, was sentenced to 10 years and served 8; and these brother's should not be resentenced to serve less than life without parole.
gypsy didnt buy a gun and kill both of her parents and then party for months lying to police making up stories she was actually abused her entire life and kept in a bad state purposely for financial gain through monthly checks from ssa and donations her mom was evil just like these two brothers who killed their parents for financial gain
FREE THEM!!! 🕊🕊They have suffered so much already! Enough is enough!😤
No freedom
No
@@dawngibbs691 YES FOR FREEDOM OF THE TWO BROTHERS!🕊☝️
@@Essie-id2qf NO FREEDOM
@@dawngibbs691 YES FOR FREEDOM FOR THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS 💯%
seeing how happy they look in their updated mugshots breaks my heart. prison’s probably better than home🖤
Let them out!
Also pins in the penis at age 5,6 ,7 , physical, emotiinal mentality abusem. They feared their parents they felt trapped with abuse
Menudo, nuf said
Not credible
@@Violet-fj8yd how so? That's maybe why abused people keep quiet and would rather kill their abusers because no one believes them. So sad.
Ben Chew, Is so humble. I hope he will help the Lyle and Erik Menendez. Poor, Erik, grew up in prison. They both are going to need a lot of support to enter back into society. I hope it happens.
Legally speaking this was murder - because evidence relates to, did you do it and how did you do it. In addition whether you planned it. Courts do not care about motive. Motive doesn't have to be proved, nor disproved.
The only thing the brothers had to do was get into their vehicle turn the engine on back it out of their parents' driveway and head on down the road
Jesse has not watched the trial CLEARLY so why is he commenting as if he knows their story? So infuriating
Exactly
He doesn't even know the facts.
And you do
Excellent advice!
“They should do something more meaningful with their lives” they have already been doing EXTREMELY meaningful things from inside prison.
In a way the Monsters show did a lot of help to us who were not aware of the case or even Menendez brothers existence coz we weren’t born by then and I'm basically from Asia so there's no way I'll know about a this much complicated murder case happened 10 years before I was born that also in America so it did us a favour to know about the case and to watch the trials and do research and it had the same effect worldwide and for that it also did a major effect on the case which would never happened if the show and It's controversy wasn’t made so thanks to the show for letting people like us know and to help with the case this much so now there’s a new hearing or maybe trial and probably resentencing and potentially the brothers will be out and free soon ❤
What a sentence for telling the truth. More abuse on top of abuse.
Release them immediately!
Release those men already.
NO
No
@@mantronixtubein California and ny daily they release much more dangerous criminals this da has re sentenced and let out over 200. Never mind the 1s they won't even prosecute.
TAKE THEM TO YOUR HOUSE
@@kissehfodasso lol
everyone that called these lads monsters are the true monsters
Lyle confessed to the toothbrush incident in court, it is not what other "people" say, it is what the person say who was involved. Ryan Murphy's response comes off as very arrogant and disrespectful
Knowing about, covering it up and allowing it to happen for years is bad as. Maybe bring a commentary who actually did his homework.
What I don't understand is why there was an extensive psychological evaluation of both Amber Heard and Johny Depp, presenting in court, and both had not murdered yet anyone to my knowledge. But the culprit of Menendez drama is psychological trauma or psychological and mental inadequacy such as psychopathy and inability to control itself etc, and yet I had not seen at least one normal professional in the field of psychology who would analyze, test brother and keep an eye on them in prison decoding their behavioural patterns. I am so stepping on a bee here, and it hurts! And the irony that Menendez brothers were caught not by diligent police work, but by greedy and unprofessional psychiatrist is yet another evidence that a group of psychiatrists should have participated in this trial.
I saw (UA-cam) that he was unethical by the lack of boundaries and having inappropriate relationships with female clients.
they were evaluated for their trial. Dr Vicary and Dr Ann Burgess also did some kind of evaluation. as far as continuous evaluation I cannot speak.
both Dr Oziel and Dr Vicary had their licences revoked (on their own terms to avoid prosecution themselves) since the trial.
No, the mother should have protect her children
Exactly. To me she is equally culpable.
Everyone needs to watch the old A&E documentary to get all the facts. They need to be freed.
I just did and also watched the trials when it was aired in '93.
they are murderers
Yea, enough is enough. They need to be freed.
@@tfoxen7518- me too I watched all the trials. Crossing my fingers it will work out for them.
@@mantronixtubeNo they're not. "Murder" is committed by those with a depraved heart. In a cold blooded manner. Where the victim was an innocent victim. Which wasn't the case with these two. The parents had been physically, sexualy, and emotionally abusive toward them pretty much their entire lives. They were not "innocent" victims in other words. They deserved what happened to them. Which is why after reviewing the case, the D.A. is clearly entertaining the very strong possibility of these two being released sometime in the near future. Because the mitigating circumstances suggest these two didn't commit anything worse than Manslaughter. It still means they deserved to be held accountable. Just not as harsh as a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
All I had to do was watch one interview with Jose Menendez to know the truth. He was a creep. The brothers should be released
Free these brothers now.
Seems the biggest reason for appeal is that they did not allow the lesser charge of manslaughter to be considered. That only. The letter and Roy Rosello are secondary. Did Leslie Abramson not challenge the DA’s appalling decision to not allow manslaughter in the second trial?
She tried he basically shut her down. She was livid
Now, how come Rosello didn't show up as a witness back then to support the M'Bros and defend them from possible death penalty? He is of despicable, weak character if he didn't come forward back then and therefore I don't trust the words he speaks.
she tried, and then got herself in trouble when asked by the judge if she tampered with evidence she invoked the 5th, Infront of the jury, twice.
@@emmahyphenjanee Thanks. I think I remember, she tampered with or redacted the testimony of the therapist, Dr. Vickery. She definitely pushed the envelope.
Not interested in seeing this series. - Let the Menendez brother breath out prison the rest of their lives.
Although it is so heartbreaking if what they claim is true, ending a life is never ok.
Because of the Netflix show and documentary the Menendez brothers are very popular now in world! , It's number one show here in the Philippines 🇵🇭
It's not what really happened either.
He should be the lawyer to sue him and depps team
I was unimpressed with the Netflix ‘Monsters’.
Just let them go! They have paid enough!!!😢😢😢
No they need to stay behind bar's
No
Omg. Imagine Ben and Camilla could defend them. Ooohh.
Free the brothers 35 years is enough.
No irs not
No one should get to decide what evidence is shown & whats not. 💯👀💯
Hoping the court will have a decision fair and just. They deserve to be happy and enjoy life of their remaining years. They have served more than what they should.
They are where they belong
I don't know what prayers Johnny Depp did to earn him a lawyer like Ben Chew. In the hail of madness that is reality these days, what an awesome perspective.
These people have no idea what they're talking about. The brothers DID think they were in imminent danger the moment right before the murders after an explosive fight. And it was not premeditated. The shotguns were bought when their lives were threatened by the father after they confronted him with the abuse and they wanted to protect themselves. They thought they were going to be killed after a fight and they reacted in a state of fear and panic. That IS imperfect self-defense.
😂😂😂
@@nellym.6555 If abuse is funny to you, I’d hate to hear what you consider serious smfh. Some real sickos here
And unless you were in that home when any of happened, you don't know. The victims can't speak. They lied so many times changing their story.
@@oranjmusemeyer968 They didn't change their story
@leanneM-33 Kitty began to lock the door to her bedroom at night and she kept two twenty-two rifles in her closet. She would not allow Lyle and Erik to have keys to the house. When the brothers came home at night, Kitty would let them into the house, even if she had to be awakened from sleep. It was apparent that something was frightening Kitty. Her fears were probably exacerbated by something the brothers' psychotherapist, Jerome Oriel, told Kitty. Kitty's psychiatrist had recommended Jerome Oziel when Erik and Lyle were ordered to undergo psychological counseling for the Calabasas burglaries. Shortly after Erik started treatment with Oziel, he gave permission to Oziel to discuss the contents of his sessions with Jose and Kitty. Kitty's fears may have been brought on by something she learned from Oziel. On July 19, 1989, Kitty went to her therapist and told him that she feared her sons were sociopaths, a psychiatric term used to describe a person who lacks a conscience. Kitty's therapist made notes of the session that indicated that Kitty was concerned that her sons were "narcissistic, lacked consciences and exhibited signs that they were sociopaths
Honestly, the Hulu show Mastermind about Ann Burgess convinced me they needed a new trial
if anyone is going to be my hero it's Dr Ann Burgess. what an amazing woman.
They don't need any new trial.
second trial sounds rigged
I actually didn’t get that from the show. I thought it created a lot of empathy towards them, where at first, there was none. It left me wondering which side was accurate and which wasn’t. But it did make me walk away thinking that the abuse was most likely real, the show covered that in depth. That scene where Erik tells all to his defense lawyer, that was a crazy scene and it didn’t hold back. Do I think they should be released? I can’t answer that right now.
Release them already they didn’t deserve this
let them live in your neighbourhood lol
Yes. They deserve prison.
FREEDOM FOR THE BROTHERS they are intilled to be free
It's obvious the brothers only killed their Mother for aggressive greed, evident on their infamous shopping spree. The Mother was a victim her husband had infidelity, many girlfriends. It's impossible to justify the brother's killing the mother. I don't want them as neighbors .
Sooo Law & Crime really has nothing else huh...everyone knows he was JDs lawyer...his name is Ben Chew....try using it instead of reducing him to only JDs lawyer for clicks.
FREE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No
Is incredible to hear all this testimonies and justice did not act.I do not understand how they are so insensitive and unfair people.
The murder apologists in the comments are terrifying. Talk about losing touch with reality. They are where they belong.
Yes, well said❤
They shouldn't ever get out
Free Erik and Lyle❤❤❤
FREE LYLE AND ERIC
No
The system is obviously RIGGED against those who are abused by their elders, including parents. This mindset MUST end! Those who are abused do NOT have help (go to police? talk to someone? Give us a break! NOT realistic!) And sometimes they are forced to take drastic measures to end the abuse. In the Menendez Bros case, it wasn't just the abuse, it's that their parents were GOING TO KILL THEM (by throwing them to the sharks)!!! It was self preservation. Remember the movie, CARRIE??? Yeah!
They make a show and now the women obsessed with tv series want the killers free. 😂
Something is seriously wrong with these women.
Must be a single mother mindset.
It was a political sentence after OJ was let off. Time to let them out
Being abused doesn't give you the license to kill. Period.
No, and being a father doesn't give you a license to SA your children! 🙄
@yourconnection9303 Put yourself in the shoes of a child that has been abused, verbally, sexually, physically, and psychologically by the two people who were supposed to protect you from all of that. You try telling others, confronting the abusers, and when you were old enough and saw your way out, you were told that it wasn't going to happen. Their father had nothing but power over them, and when Erick finally spoke out to his mother, she told him that she knew all about it. Lyle tried everything he could to rebel and stay away from those maniacs until he found out what happened to his little brother. If they had gone to the police, school teachers, etc, all the Father would have done is pay them off to look the other way. It happens far too much in our country, unfortunately. If those men that had minds of little boys would have gone public, the Father would have no problem having them killed to protect his reputation. He was cheating husbands who lied and abused his wife mentally until she hated herself and her children. He needed to be stopped. You're probably someone who is on Sean Combs' side also. It's people who think the same way as you that make it hard on the abused person.
No one is telling they are innocent, put yourself in their shoes. So your empty brain fiil the gap.
@@21BRC88 So what you're saying is, if you're abused, you're going to murder your abuser?
And the brothers went back to their home, after purchasing the guns, and then a few nights later, gunned down their parents who were sitting watching T.V. The brothers were also already adults, and could have moved away if they were that fearful.
And if Eric was supposedly so traumatized from being allegedly abused, why didn't he murder his brother Lyle too? Because Lyle also SA Eric, and spoke about it during the trial when he was on the stand. Instead, Eric asked Lyle to help him murder their parents, and IMO, it was because they wanted to collect the inheritance.
And btw, as for your rude comment directed at me, you're projecting.
How dare you compare Gypsy Rose and say she was abused and they weren’t and minimizing what Eric and Lyle went through with that monster. They were abused their mother knew what was happening and didn’t do anything to protect them. You didn’t live through it and you’re being ignorant to their situation and insensitive.