The term ‘walking free’ is used incorrectly here. They have already been convicted and spent 35 yrs or so in jail. Edited: for everyone commenting on the length of the sentence: my comment was a linguistic one as ‘walking free’ means to not be convicted (when expected). They were convicted so the term ‘walking free’ is not correct here.
Should spend the rest of their existence in prison. They weren’t boys. They were adults. LEAVE THE HOUSE !!! I did at 18. But i’m not a weak individual. Mom was abusing them? Not a chance.
If I was on the jury I would vote GUILTY on first degree based on the evidence. The rate of jury convictions has drastically gone up since 40 years ago.
@S.Blonde so you're saying how you would vote based on evidence presented when you weren't even there, yeah, ok. You would already have your mind made up. Therefore, you wouldn't be asked to sit on the jury
@@andreakatherine9337 because it literally is they would have gotten voluntary manslaughter which is 5-15 years some women don’t even have to serve time
Stop yelling and get some tissue. Replay Erik’s testimony when he fake cries with no tears. Abuse excuse indeed. How disrespectful of them trifling adult brothers to accuse their parents of abuse after they killed their parents. They should rot in prison forever while you yell at people for not sharing your gullibility levels
@@cjking4511 question so every member of both sides of the families are lying? Another question why did kitty Menendez had Nu** pictures of the boys when they were little? Jose Menedez R*pe one of the members of the menudo band he was a kid ! There other evidence of the abuse being real n the cruelty of Jose Menendez.. Why don’t U just research it.
@musakamara4157 yes, don't waste your time. They lie. They said there's no corroboration for the abuse. And the guest was at the trial!!! There was so much evidence. Thats why they kept it out!
Let’s not overlook that one interview (of their former neighbor) when Jose and Kitty invited her for dinner, and Jose played a VHS tape in front of everyone, including the kids, Erik and Lyle. The tape, which lasted only a few seconds to a minute, had show "child p*rn*graphy" that Jose found hilarious. A parent in the right mind will never find it right and entertaining
The parents should have been held responsible but they are dead. José should have had his brains (what was left of them) examined. The problem was he ate rice and beans, and had a B1 deficiency. Boys scared at night? They inherited it, this condition is genetic, has to do with learning, emotions, the safety center.
@@cindybrock1705 buy why the parents let the photos be developed? Kitty had a handwriting in that envelop so meaning she saw it. Don't you think it's kinda embarassing to have it developed and kept as a parent?
Gypsy Blanchard planned her mother’s murder and she’s a celebrity now everyone praises her yes is different circumstances but both had parents abusing them.
Gypsy tried to kill her mom 10 years before the murder. She shot her mom 10 times with what she thought was a real gun. It was a BB gun. I don't blame her any more than the brothers. It's human nature to want revenge and, if necessary, kill. We are animals, just civilized. Man made these rules, they go against the nature of us.
You sound defensive. Why makeup a false assumption that he has to be "very emotional" just because has a different pov than you? He was NOT fake crying with NO TEARS like Erik did or faking emotions and fake crying to police like Lyle and Erik did numerous times. He watched the case and listened for the brothers to depict abuse that was so extreme the brothers had no other choice but to kill the parents. That testimony was NOT there. The abuse accusations were unproven, lacked corroboration, and did NOT convince everyone on the juries. Abuse evidence MUST CONVINCE everyone on the jury in order to call the abuse factual. The abuse evidence failed to convince 3 juries. Erik testified for days at both trials but he was not convincing with his stories and he never said the mother abused him so they are on the hook for her murder.
"You didn't see autopsy photos. You didn't see Jose Menendez's head blown off, you didn't see Kitty Menendez's face blown to bits" Actually Alan, all of that is in the first trial which is what so many people are watching now. Oh this man is big mad that people are disagreeing with the prosecution. I'm flabbergasted that a man who reported on the first trial is really here saying that nothing was "corroborated". Did he have his eyes closed for half of the trial or something?
Did you have your eyes closed for half the trial? Just because different people watch a trial does NOT mean they have the same assessment of the trial. One of the main issues with the first trial juries NOT aggreeing to vote in the brothers' favors was the brothers' testimonies were NOT convincing enough and were missing legal factors to convince a jury they were in imminent fear of their parents when they killed them.
This whole conversation was excuse my phrasing but idiotic to me.....bcus if the brothers are lying then u both are saying over 50 other people are lying that testified at their trial Roy Rosello is lying,the victims(the family) is lying and don't have the right they are provided by Marcy's law to want them out.For some reason people want victims of abuse to be angels instead of human.And if u are going to have this man PLEASE have experts on to speak to the phycology of abuse victims when talking about the case that was dismissed during this discussion.and please stop speaking with this man.he is like the prosecutor that said men can't be assaulted bcuz they don't have the equipment
They should be free. They paid for the crimes their parents committed against them. They are not a threat to society. Let them have a life and stop this cruelty.
Holy crap the bias in this conversation is astonishing. Mary Winkler served 210 days for murdering her abusive husband with a shotgun while he slept. Francine Hughes was acquitted after setting her abusive husband on fire while he was passed out drunk. Obviously mitigating circumstances do matter, but not when the perpetrators are rich boys. Anyone who's been in an abusive relationship knows that the "it's them or me" thought pops into your head eventually. I believe it did with Lyle and Erik, just as it did with Mary Winkler, just as it did with Francine Hughes. "There's never been any suggestion that Kitty would kill her sons." But there's never been any suggestion she would protect her sons, either.
Comparing irrelevant cases in other jurisdictions to a CA course is nonsensical. Comparing cases where juries and prosecutors were CONVINCED abuse took place to a case where the juries and prosecutors were NOT convinced abuse took place is nonsensical. Personalizing the case to yourself is nonsensical. Falsely assuming someone had to be "in an abusive relationship" to be able to disregard the governing state laws so their emotions and personalization let you ignore the legal FACT Kitty not protecting her sons justifies her being killed TWICE.
@@S.Blonde the jury in the second trial wasn't presented with the abuse allegations like the first, so they couldn't consider it to be convinced of it. I never said a person had to be in an abusive relationship; I said that anyone who's been in one knows there comes a point where thoughts you never thought you'd have come to mind. I also only "personalized" anything by stating that I believe them, which many other people have also said. Your twisting my words and not understanding what a flipping example is is what's nonsensical. The two other cases I mentioned are to show that people do believe abuse defenses under certain circumstances, including when people are killed while there isn't imminent danger, which is why there was a mistrial the first time around. I think if the same first trial were presented to a jury today with manslaughter on the table, that's the decision the jury would come to.
@@AprilTheRockStar I disagree. The rate of jury convictions has only gone up since 40 years ago. Manslaughter should NEVER have even been on the table. This was NOT an accident. This was NOT an accidental outcome of a fight. They did not describe imminent fear of their mother. They are guilty of first degree and they would be convicted of first degree. The abuse evidence was certainly presented at the second trial. Erik testified for days. There were 64 defense witnesses at the second trial. Erik never said his mother abused him. Thus, he was not legally justified in killing her. Failure to protect does not justify murder. If everyone on the juries could not agree the abuse even took place then what would the mother be protecting Erik from? Erik was a grown man and should have moved out. Even if the abuse was going on, Erik's refusal to leave is implied consent because he knew the rules of the house yet refused to leave and go to college or get a job. Maybe Erik liked it or learned to like it with Jose. Why else would Erik be so stubborn and kept refusing to leave even after the parents changed the house locks and refused to give him a key.
@@S.Blondethe minimal sentence for first degree in CA is 25 years to life. They have already served well beyond that. The relevancy of the other cases speaks to the law itself and whether it should be changed to have outcomes that more appropriately match the crime
Gascon said he doesnt think they deserve to spend their life in prison.They have been rehabilitated. They have bettered themselves. They have studied and have been serving others. Enough is enough. Dr. Oziel said they didnt kill for money. He said they were angry at their parents. The Grand Jury REFUSED to charge them with murder for financial gain.
Blame the victims! “No imminent fear…” What about CONSTANT fear? LIFELONG, CONSTANT FEAR. “No corroborating evidence…” bull****! These two “commentators” are so obviously biased; glad THEY are not the judges. OMG! My 18 year old niece went through a million left to her after my sister’s death in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS!
They were fearful for their lives if they would leave their father said he would kill them. I’m sure they did not want to stay, but they had no choice to stay. I think 35 years is way too much for what they’ve been put through their whole entire life Enough free them
@shannonpartridge9608 Firstly, they were adults, they could have left home, but the Menendezes did not like to work, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, these men were not prisoners or anything like that.
This was a JURY trial not a trial according to you or the judge. The jury did NOT agree they were in imminent fear. The brothers' testimonies was NOT convincing of imminent fear of both parents. IMO they should have embellished more and made the abuse sound more extreme since they were trying to use the abuse excuse. Whatever happened to saying you were chained up and tortured? That has been depicted in enough cases and movies and that is the type of abuse that convinces an entire jury. This case had Erik saying only Jose abused him not his mother and Lyle saying both parents abused him but the abuse stopped a long time ago. A jury cannot help defendants that are not helping themselves. Just because you personally cannot see beyond your perception of what the brothers said does not mean everyone shares or validates your pov because many people require more solid evidence and more details of extreme abuse in order to vote in the defendants' favor.
NOT at all. The judge and prosecution already had went above and beyond at the first trial to allow all that irrelevant and unproven child abuse accusations be presented and the accusations and subjected evidence FAILED to convince the two juries. At the second trial the abuse evidence was limited to proving imminent fear of their parents. The REAL dodgy people where the two felonious brothers whose testimonies did NOT describe imminent fear of their mother.
@@S.Blondeactually the second trial was politically based after the OJ Simpson trial. I guess we’ll see what the DA and the judge does now. It’s out of everyone’s hands.
@@jashley777 It certainly was NOT biased OR BASED off the OJ Simpson. In 1994, Judge Weisburg ordered both the prosecution and defense attorneys to sit down for settlement discussions. Unfortunately, a plea deal was not reached. The defense wanted manslaughter and the prosecutors wanted first degree. Clearly, the best compromise would have been second degree. The second trial was a regular murder trial. Who did the crime? Why did they do the crime? Where is the evidence proving they did the crime? Evidence NOT pertaining to those three questions is legally irrelevant. Lyle deciding NOT to testify was totally up to Lyle. When a defendant chooses NOT to testify you cannot bring forward evidence or testimony corroborating factors the defendant refused to testify to. Erik testified for days but he failed to convince the juries that his abuse accusations against only his father justified him killing his mother. Erik never made abuse accusations against his mom
The first trial ended up being a hung jury which shows that the evidence presented regarding the molestation had an impact on the jury. The second trial excluded all witnesses and anything related to the abuse. The juries only option given was murder in the 1st° or acquittal. Definitely not a fair trial. It turns out this arrangement was made between the judge and the prosecution because of the bad press due to the O.J. Simpson case. They desperately needed a conviction because they were made fools off after the OJ acquittal.
I am a little tired of hearing that's it's because of the netflix show. That's not the case a lot of people have thought that what happened during the second trial wasn't fair and people who have went through the same thing that those men went through knew that they were telling the truth. Broken people see Broken in others. Those men had been broken.
Wow! He is so disrespectful! Obviously he’s never gone through any type of emotional or physical abuse! He doesn’t know what it’s like to have to hide from all this abuse. I hope he’s family never goes through something like this, his so ignorant. So you’re telling me all their family members lied about the abuse? There wasn’t ANY one to talk nice about Jose the father. Even the DA said it herself!! He should just retire…
No it is not and just because you believe the parents were abusers is irrelevant because the entire juries did not believe that. Everyone has different gullibility levels
Two wrongs don't make a right if they was being abused the police have to deal with not murdering the person in cold blood and he returned to the car to get ammo and that pre planned
The guest says they won the 2nd time bc they knew her tricks! NO! It was bc they excluded witnesses and evidence! So disingenuous. 😡 And they let a disgraced lying therapist who lost his license testify against them. Sick!
The brothers didn’t have a chance on the second trial due to judge only allowing first degree murder and not manslaughter charges and not allowing their witnesses to testify… judge already made up his mind and wanted a guilty verdict The judge should never been allowed to do the second trial, the brothers were doomed from the start of it.
Maybe if Lyle wouldn't have said he needed to make a story and he didn't have any problem making people believe him. Then HE decided not to testify in the second trial. That's the main reason a lot of witnesses were striken. They lied!!!
"this included a testimony from a cousin Diane Vander Mullen who testified that an 8-year old Lyle told her he was scared to sleep on his bed because his dad had been touching him inappropriately and that she has been told by kitty about this only for it never to be spoken of again" --Diane wasn't told by Kitty of anything. Diane got Kitty and told her what Lyle told her and Kitty just led Lyle back to his bedroom without saying anything to Diane so Diane at that time thought there was probably nothing wrong happening. Diane said Kitty didn't believe her when she told Kitty what Lyle told her about he and his dad touching each other.
listen to 16:40 they are still ridiculing people that experienced abuse. Notice how it's always people from the 80s that still lack any form of compassion and they still make fun of it. Gosh this case made me realise how awful the 80s actual were
I usually enjoy this channel but this interview was frankly gross and dismissive of abuse survivors and trauma. Shocking that a geriatric male holds the archaic beliefs that led to the brothers being demonized and mocked in the press… he answered the question about boys being able to be abused with non-answer relating it to kids killing their parents and crying about being an orphan… I’m sorry what? 😅 And there was no corroborating evidence about the abuse? What about Erik’s medical exam showing throat trauma as a child? Eye witness testimony? What a pathetic “journalist”.
Omg they were not abused. Their parents wanted them out of the house and they were tired of supporting them. Just because they use the abuse excuse doesn't mean it happened.
@@pinklady4703 Wrong. There is a huge amount of evidence proving abuse. I don't understand people like you completely looking over all the evidence and just yell the opposite. Also their father wanted Erik to be close and not out of the house so youre already wrong about that.
The first trial was enough. All the evidence was there. But social stigmas prevented justice. Then the DA moved the goal posts to ensure conviction because they were failing hard off the back of Rodney King and OJ. The most vulnerable were made the example.
@S.Blonde Do your research love 1st trial half the jurors were men who thought Men couldn't be S3xually abused! 2nd trial they kept alot of evidence out Shame on the American justice system 😡
The parents were busy changing the locks to the house and refusing to give them a key and trying to get them to move out to college but they refused to leave. You are not a victim when you refuse to leave an alleged abuser's house after they try to put you out.
@@katherineshaw6514 Educate yourself. EVERYTHING I stated is irrefutable evidence proven from the brothers own testimonies, common sense and objectivity
@@S.Blondeyou didn’t hear when the father told Erick that he had to stay in the house and not moved out to the university because he wanted to continue abusing him 🙄
@S.Blonde this is true. The sons didn't want to work and support themselves. The father bought the oldest son a condo and the other son was supposed to be living in a college dorm. The parents wanted them out of the house and they were tired of supporting them.
How about the Fact that if this abuse were going on today or even 10-15 years later Neither Lyle or Erik would have felt that afraid to leave or say something and this crime of murder never would have happened
The authenticity or dating of the letter? The letter was found in storage after the cousin died. Not sure how Erik could have planted it there from prison 🥴
What do you mean .... who at 18 and 21 does that? They were told what to do by their parents constantly. So once parents were killed, they had a sense of freedom and could do and buy whatever they wanted. They were not mature men, only 18 and 21.
The brothers TRULY believed Jose was going to kill them because of all the threats that he would. A therapist said Lyle had the mind of a 10 year old & Erik had the mind of an 8 year old. THIS is why the killings were not well planned out. I did not follow the trial but saw bits & pieces of it. When Lyle was on the stand & Erik was crying, I knew they were not lying about the SA. They deserve to be FREE.
They killed their parents because all the abuse they endured.This has happened before where children take revenge on their abusers and they should be given a chance to live their lives.
35 years is enough for both parents.Mitigating circumnstances should apply here. Release the Menendez brothers!! Everybody has seen the autopsy photos , everybody has heard the call to the police and nobody cares. Free them!!
They pre-planned the murders, it was brutal. They were adults and could have left at any time and called the police with the abuse allegations. The most they should get now is maybe a chance at parole.
@@deckzone3000they were abused throughout their childhood and they finally found the courage to take out the enemy's. Wish they wére smarter and organised a hit , then they get rid of the problem and get the money
As someone who’s never been abused, I do not allow myself to judge other people who’ve been abused as to how they should fear or hate their abuser. Sure they were watching TV but it was an ongoing abuse that both brothers endured. So, how do I know how they felt while being under the same roof with their abuser(s).
I like most people have seen the Netflix show, then went on to fully look into the case. And I plus everyone I've ever spoken to about this have come to the conclusion that these men were sexualy abused. They bought the guns because they actually did fear for their life because they believed their father would hurt them more if they told anyone. So on that night they went in to put an end to it they could have gone to the police but they wouldn't have been believed as apparently males couldn't be abused and not to mention Jose was a powerful man. As for Kitty, she failed them so completely they saw no other choice but to take her out to I would've done exactly the same.
When your parents buy you a condo, buy you a car, give you money, pay your college tuition, pay for your international trips you went on without the parents, change the locks to their home and refuse to give you a key that means you are supposed to MOVE OUT. Condos are meant to be lived in. Cars are meant to be driven. Colleges are meant to be attended. There is NO REASON why two adult men are still in their parents house on August 20th instead of being at college getting ready for fall semester to start shortly. The sons REFUSED to leave the parents house so they are the aggressors not the parents. The parents did not want them there and irrefutable factors I listed are ACTIONS the parents did that proves their intentions. I always value people ACTIONS over mere words. You cannot claim you are being abused when you refuse someone's house. Erik KNEW the rules of that house and refused to leave so he knew as a grown man what came with living there so he either liked it or learned to like it with Jose because it certainly was not such extreme "abuse" he did not want to leave Jose. The killed the mother because she was in their way of getting Jose's money.
@S.Blonde so what you're saying is that "Erik KNEW the rules of that house" 🤔 so he's just meant to TAKE IT???? I think you're just a Karen who watched the Netflix show and now knows everything.
@S.Blonde not to mention that while they're getting abused CONSTANTLY their delinquent father and mother are buying them gifts to cover up and replace the hunt and disgusting things there doing
Their parents made them into the psychopaths they became. Not surprising they retaiated but the way they did was wrong. Abuse is wrong. Killing is wrong. So what is the solution. Theyve been in jail enough time to pay for their crimes and their parents paid the ultimate price
They aren't psychopaths. There's no evidence of it whatsoever. They were heavily traumatised individuals pushed beyond their limit. We can't call these men psychopaths and ignore the fact that soldiers opt in to kill other humans and somehow get revered for it.
@@nevadatan7323 their mother didn't abuse them yet they murdered her. Soldiers kill ppl they don't know. I've seen interviews and they have defended their mother when their father cheated on her. The mother wasn't innocent by any means bc according to them, she knew about it. First they say their mother went along with it then they say she didn't. What's the real story about her, only they know.
all professionals that evaluated them unanimously said that the brothers are not psychopaths. for you to say that means that you have no understanding of what that term might even mean. it is not even used as a diagnosis in psychological evaluation. they acted in desperation after years of terror and unimaginable abuse, which resulted in them reacting in the way they did. it was a fight or flight situation. trauma, especially at the level they experienced, affects how the brain reacts to intense threat and fear. they feel immense guilt and shame about what happened. but the abuse they suffered was so severe and so prolonged that they snapped and, in a moment of pure desperation and fight or flight, they took their freedom back in the only way they could process: by k*lling their abusers. educate yourself on battered person syndrome
@@wellthisisinteresting4912 educate yourself too...constant abuse effects ppl in many different ways and I stand firm IMO they are most definitely psychopaths bc the mother didn't abuse them according to them. They were not in imminent danger at rhe time either. And as far as education goes I know more than you think I do. Most victims have struggles with many things but for them to take a loaded gun and kill their mother is too much. You may be defending them bc you are family or perhaps you're a victim but have you ever killed anyone. What they did was wrong and not condoning the actions of their despicable father but not going to defend murderers either
The statement that the parents were quietly sitting there watching television is as full of surmise is your absolute certainty that the sons were not in fear for their lives. You can't possibly say what the parents were actually doing or what was in the sons' minds. And the Oziel tapes were them trying to placate him so he wouldn't go to the police. Oziel was no therapist for them. He wanted to tell them how to invest their money and blackmail them. Mr. Abrahamson is merely rehashing the entire prosecution case which I found many many flaws with. The prosecution did not prove to me that they killed with malice. And to hear this journalist speak as though only he knows the truth tells me all I need to know.
The abuse never happened, it was just a strategy of the lawyers.Firstly, they were adults, they could have left home, but the Menendezes did not like to work, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, these men were not prisoners or anything like that. Lyle was remembered by those at LIVE as showing up late and unapologetic for work, ignoring orders, not paying attention and skipping work entirely on warm days to play tennis. "Nasty, arrogant, and self-centered," was the way some co-workers described Lyle
When two adult brothers testified that the parents were in a CLOSED door den watching television and eating and that they "opened the door and ran in there with firearms" that is self-confessed malice aforethought. "Prove to YOU that they killed with malice" when CA first degree charges requires malice aforethought not simply malice shows you purposefully disregard the laws and demonstrates your inability to set aside your overly emotional pov and objectively LISTEN to what the brothers testified.
@@carol5763 Erik wrote a third rate screenplay entitled Friends. The script was a sixty-two-page thriller about a son from a wealthy family who reads his parents' will and learns that upon their deaths, he will inherit $157 million. The son murders everyone to get his hands on his parents' money before being killed.
It seems Generation Z has a hard time understanding what fiction is. They dont understand that "based on true events" means a few things may be true, but the rest could be embellished for entertainment purposes. They dont understand that song lyrics aren't necessarily true. It's comical yet disturbing.
Anyone saying these two should be released has lost their mind. Kitty's 90 year old brother gave a statement to People and believes they should stay in prison. They shot the woman who gave them life in the face. They don't deserve to be out at all.
Have you thought that Kitty’s brother financially gained something from his brother law or was involved in something deviant that the brothers may know ?
I am a Canadian lawyer, and of course our legal systems are different. Our national Supreme Court in 1990 allowed an acquittal of a woman who killed her abusive husband because of long-standing abuse, despite no imminent danger. I am simply raising it for comparison for the legally or otherwise interested: R. v. Lavallée.
Ok. Lyle did not go "moments later" and sob into the phone. They first met with Perry Berman at Taste of LA after dumping the guns off Mulholland Drive and retroactively trying to get alibi movie tickets to "Licence to Kill". Then they came back to the house and saw the parents again, dead......Erik is off wailing, Lyle calls 911. But sure, you were there for 6 months in the courtroom. I may have a better memory. Also the whole Big 5 thing? Not a blatant lie; I believed it was an honest mistake. But Kuriyama sure was proud of himself.
Their lives were in danger from their point of view and that's what's important. That's what's called "imperfect self defense". You are judging them with your adult brain who had a happy childhood. No, they couldn't have called the police, they had been threatened by their father who had guns in the house, he could pay off anyone and had done it in the past, plus they were so traumatized they thought no one would believe them, and they were right. Even now there's people who don't believe them. They couldn't leave the house because they felt that their father could hunt them down any time. You lack empathy.
So being abused all there life by both the there parents, no adult stepping in. Noway out of there and doing the murder... makes sense they did it tbh when nobody came to safe them
@@nellym.6555 not everybody has a millionaire-controlling monster father. He had a lot of power and connections. The American Justice System, his friends and people like him in power are still protecting his reputation even 35 years after his dead. If their father had been a regular poor or middle class guy, sure they would have been able to escape easily but this was not the case. Why do you feel the need to compare your situation to theirs?
There was no fear of the parents either. They were planning on changing the locks to the house and changing their will. People don't even know what the parents went through with these two.
There facts that this parents were cruel in many ways . I don’t think that all the family members would be lying , I guess some people never see the evil in others ,this is reason why people like Jose Menéndez got away with so much n Kitty too .
@@jessicamccrady5210If they were after the inheritance, why did Erik quickly return to the US as soon as he found out Lyle got arrested, and knowing he’d immediately be arrested and potentially sitting in death row?
Me and my mam watched the series of the Menendez brothers, she was shocked and even cried because she can't comprehend how someone could do such horrible things to children let alone their own children. I truly think they deserve a new trial and to be released.
This was very bias, I didn't even watch it to the end. No-one needs Netflix or TikTok to have an opinion about this case. Very one sided and narrow minded interview.
Absolutely agree. He only talked about the tragic scene, there was not a word about the conditions those boys grew up in. What a lopsided perspective. Yep, won’t waste my time.
Yup there’s a lot of those perpetrators who get away with it for years and years or do short sentences get out and commit the crimes again. Who’s the bigger threat to society- them or the people who’ve had enough, snap and put a real stop to things in a way the justice system keeps failing to do?
Wtf does that have to do with anything? A lot of women have killed their abusers and were set free. Why is this case any different? Oh, because they're boys right?
If your interested is all the details go watch Crime weekly podcast about the menendez brothers. There was definitely corroberation about the abuse. Kitty knew and did nothing about it. She was also a drunk and abused pills she was not innocent by any means. Im not saying they shouldn't have gone to jail but they were the product of their awful parents and there should be some consideration 30+ years later
It is astonishing to me that in this day and age, people still need someone to explain to them the affects of abuse on a victims mind. It’s very easy for us to sit here and go through the things the brothers could and should have done that night, but it’s much more difficult to understand the fact that in that moment, they truly believed their life was in danger because of everything they experienced at the hands of their parents, and they acted out of panic. They’ve served their time and deserve a second chance. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!
People especially young boys are easily influenced by the media and music. If these bums get out, young boys will thing that it's okay to murder your parents. Keep them in there. I am so disgusted by these comments.
This comment is nonsensical. No kid will look at these brothers spending 35 years in prison and think, "yeah, I think I'll do the same thing they did."
@@roachums123The innocent little boys, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, mature enough since he was in a relationship without any problems and Erik dedicated himself to stealing, poor boys were so afraid of their father that they never wanted to leave home. The poor mother was afraid of them and the father no longer wanted to give them money, so both monsters decided to plan and execute the murder.
The ptsd I believe they suffer from it, but weren’t living in a constant state of that. They were functional members of society struggling with trauma and ptsd. So I believe the murder was premeditated with functional mind at that moment. The law is clear.
“Always follow the money.” Lyle hadn’t been abused since he was a child. He used it as an excuse. He burglarized homes because of his greed. He was a student at an Ivy League University with his own condo, not a country hick living in a shack. Nothing stopped them from going to the police-NOTHING! He was a spoiled rich kid, who could never get enough. His actions after the murders clearly showed, that he was after the money. Purchase of multiple Rolex’s, a Porsche, an apartment, a restaurant, $1000 suits, vacations and casino gambling were clear signs of a person obsessed with wealth and the flaunting of it, not of an abused person who escaped their capture. But that’s just my opinion. And the funny thing is that he and Eric are about 10 years older than their parents now.
This guy being interviewed is gross. The term abuse excuse should not exist. This guy has obviously not ever been through that to coin the term abuse excuse. I really love sidebar, but this is the most disgusting interview I have seen on this channel thus far.
I’m not sure I understand the support for the brothers. Let’s say it’s true that their father abused them and did awful things to them as children, but how does that “justify” them killing not only their father but also their mother, years later after the alleged abuse?
My stance is if we are going to allow gypsy rose out after her “abuse” was proven to be medical necessity not abuse and she was a major part of the murder and planning of the murder of her mother and in my opinion helped in the actual crime these boys have served their time and paid their dues especially when you can’t find a single person to say a nice thing about Jose in particular, these guys should have their opportunity at freedom
But still more time in prison doesn’t bring the parents back whatever someone is thinking. These brothers were really young. These incarceration times in the states are crazy.
The term ‘walking free’ is used incorrectly here. They have already been convicted and spent 35 yrs or so in jail.
Edited: for everyone commenting on the length of the sentence: my comment was a linguistic one as ‘walking free’ means to not be convicted (when expected). They were convicted so the term ‘walking free’ is not correct here.
@@mioneronn2976 yea because they shot their parents in the face and lied about it .
@@Dezz___ nobody cares
@@Dezz___ would you admit it right away if you were in their shoes?
@@fourJsandAKyesss...then explain why 👌🏾
Should spend the rest of their existence in prison. They weren’t boys. They were adults. LEAVE THE HOUSE !!! I did at 18. But i’m not a weak individual. Mom was abusing them? Not a chance.
35 years in prison is not called “walk free”
@@tracisyhong no it’s a bloody long time and prison isn’t exactly a free time
Keep them in prison
@@cjking4511- well, you are gonna be real sad when they are free. Start sobbing now.
@@cjking4511 I agree 100 percent
I'd vote for life for life, should be grateful for 35 years
I hate when that guy said it wouldn’t be any different today. Totally disagree.
If I was on the jury I would vote GUILTY on first degree based on the evidence. The rate of jury convictions has drastically gone up since 40 years ago.
Yes me too ❤
@S.Blonde so you're saying how you would vote based on evidence presented when you weren't even there, yeah, ok. You would already have your mind made up. Therefore, you wouldn't be asked to sit on the jury
@@andreakatherine9337 because it literally is they would have gotten voluntary manslaughter which is 5-15 years some women don’t even have to serve time
@@Obei-269 dats “witterly” what I’m saying.
I’m yelling at my TV now listening to these commentators using the phrase “abuse excuse”.
Stop yelling and get some tissue. Replay Erik’s testimony when he fake cries with no tears. Abuse excuse indeed. How disrespectful of them trifling adult brothers to accuse their parents of abuse after they killed their parents. They should rot in prison forever while you yell at people for not sharing your gullibility levels
@@cjking4511 question so every member of both sides of the families are lying? Another question why did kitty Menendez had Nu** pictures of the boys when they were little? Jose Menedez R*pe one of the members of the menudo band he was a kid ! There other evidence of the abuse being real n the cruelty of Jose Menendez.. Why don’t U just research it.
@@cjking4511Have you taken the time to listen to Dr Burgess’ testimony?
Does anyone else get the ick when they say abuse excuse?
@@lindseyprozanski2898 every time 😂
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I didn't even watch the video yet so thank you for saving me some time.
YES!!! It makes me want to 🤢 🤮🤮 These two are SOOO biased! Bring back Jessy!!!!!
@musakamara4157 yes, don't waste your time. They lie. They said there's no corroboration for the abuse. And the guest was at the trial!!! There was so much evidence. Thats why they kept it out!
Let’s not overlook that one interview (of their former neighbor) when Jose and Kitty invited her for dinner, and Jose played a VHS tape in front of everyone, including the kids, Erik and Lyle. The tape, which lasted only a few seconds to a minute, had show "child p*rn*graphy" that Jose found hilarious. A parent in the right mind will never find it right and entertaining
this!!! the same neighbour said she witnessed Jose fking cutting the dog's head off??
The parents should have been held responsible but they are dead. José should have had his brains (what was left of them) examined. The problem was he ate rice and beans, and had a B1 deficiency. Boys scared at night? They inherited it, this condition is genetic, has to do with learning, emotions, the safety center.
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@@adorabledeplorable123 the boys took those pictures
@@cindybrock1705 buy why the parents let the photos be developed? Kitty had a handwriting in that envelop so meaning she saw it. Don't you think it's kinda embarassing to have it developed and kept as a parent?
Gypsy Blanchard planned her mother’s murder and she’s a celebrity now everyone praises her yes is different circumstances but both had parents abusing them.
More of a joke than a celebrity, but okay.
Gypsy tried to kill her mom 10 years before the murder. She shot her mom 10 times with what she thought was a real gun. It was a BB gun. I don't blame her any more than the brothers. It's human nature to want revenge and, if necessary, kill. We are animals, just civilized. Man made these rules, they go against the nature of us.
The sons were not abused
Gypsy also didn't get life without parole her sentence was different. She shouldn't be glorified at all.
@@pinklady4703and you know that how?
I just want to say, those autopsy photos, all crime scene photos are available, we are seeing them, we are listening, and we are seeing it all..
I hope that includes all the trials
Just because someone is a journalist does not mean they cannot be biased. Mr Abrahamson seems very "emotional" about his opinion.
Hit the nail on the head. He even misstates the trial record in this interview.
He’s a creep.
You sound defensive. Why makeup a false assumption that he has to be "very emotional" just because has a different pov than you? He was NOT fake crying with NO TEARS like Erik did or faking emotions and fake crying to police like Lyle and Erik did numerous times. He watched the case and listened for the brothers to depict abuse that was so extreme the brothers had no other choice but to kill the parents. That testimony was NOT there. The abuse accusations were unproven, lacked corroboration, and did NOT convince everyone on the juries. Abuse evidence MUST CONVINCE everyone on the jury in order to call the abuse factual. The abuse evidence failed to convince 3 juries. Erik testified for days at both trials but he was not convincing with his stories and he never said the mother abused him so they are on the hook for her murder.
@@ivettesmile someone get the Gong for this dope.
@@S.Blondeget a life! You're everywhere😂
"You didn't see autopsy photos. You didn't see Jose Menendez's head blown off, you didn't see Kitty Menendez's face blown to bits" Actually Alan, all of that is in the first trial which is what so many people are watching now. Oh this man is big mad that people are disagreeing with the prosecution. I'm flabbergasted that a man who reported on the first trial is really here saying that nothing was "corroborated". Did he have his eyes closed for half of the trial or something?
Did you have your eyes closed for half the trial? Just because different people watch a trial does NOT mean they have the same assessment of the trial. One of the main issues with the first trial juries NOT aggreeing to vote in the brothers' favors was the brothers' testimonies were NOT convincing enough and were missing legal factors to convince a jury they were in imminent fear of their parents when they killed them.
@@S.Blondethey were not convincing just because they wanted a conviction at any cost.😂
@@OlgaPerez-hf4fb That is NOT true at all. In 1994 the judge ordered the prosecutors and defense attorneys to sit down and negotiate a plea deal
I have difficulty listening to anyone from the 80s with that outdated mindset.
See a doctor on finding your heart please.
This whole conversation was excuse my phrasing but idiotic to me.....bcus if the brothers are lying then u both are saying over 50 other people are lying that testified at their trial Roy Rosello is lying,the victims(the family) is lying and don't have the right they are provided by Marcy's law to want them out.For some reason people want victims of abuse to be angels instead of human.And if u are going to have this man PLEASE have experts on to speak to the phycology of abuse victims when talking about the case that was dismissed during this discussion.and please stop speaking with this man.he is like the prosecutor that said men can't be assaulted bcuz they don't have the equipment
I was thinking, is AA that guy who`s been always saying they lie and need to stay locked up?🤔an absolute d**Kh3@d
They should be free. They paid for the crimes their parents committed against them. They are not a threat to society. Let them have a life and stop this cruelty.
Yes, and I highly doubt they would hurt or kill anyone else. It was their parents that were the most awful human beings.
@@ClintsessentialsDo you want to take the chance and live near them? I don't.
Life without parole. And how you know they aren't a threat? Ignorance.
Holy crap the bias in this conversation is astonishing.
Mary Winkler served 210 days for murdering her abusive husband with a shotgun while he slept. Francine Hughes was acquitted after setting her abusive husband on fire while he was passed out drunk.
Obviously mitigating circumstances do matter, but not when the perpetrators are rich boys.
Anyone who's been in an abusive relationship knows that the "it's them or me" thought pops into your head eventually. I believe it did with Lyle and Erik, just as it did with Mary Winkler, just as it did with Francine Hughes.
"There's never been any suggestion that Kitty would kill her sons." But there's never been any suggestion she would protect her sons, either.
Comparing irrelevant cases in other jurisdictions to a CA course is nonsensical. Comparing cases where juries and prosecutors were CONVINCED abuse took place to a case where the juries and prosecutors were NOT convinced abuse took place is nonsensical. Personalizing the case to yourself is nonsensical. Falsely assuming someone had to be "in an abusive relationship" to be able to disregard the governing state laws so their emotions and personalization let you ignore the legal FACT Kitty not protecting her sons justifies her being killed TWICE.
@@S.Blonde the jury in the second trial wasn't presented with the abuse allegations like the first, so they couldn't consider it to be convinced of it. I never said a person had to be in an abusive relationship; I said that anyone who's been in one knows there comes a point where thoughts you never thought you'd have come to mind. I also only "personalized" anything by stating that I believe them, which many other people have also said.
Your twisting my words and not understanding what a flipping example is is what's nonsensical. The two other cases I mentioned are to show that people do believe abuse defenses under certain circumstances, including when people are killed while there isn't imminent danger, which is why there was a mistrial the first time around. I think if the same first trial were presented to a jury today with manslaughter on the table, that's the decision the jury would come to.
@@AprilTheRockStar I disagree. The rate of jury convictions has only gone up since 40 years ago. Manslaughter should NEVER have even been on the table. This was NOT an accident. This was NOT an accidental outcome of a fight. They did not describe imminent fear of their mother. They are guilty of first degree and they would be convicted of first degree. The abuse evidence was certainly presented at the second trial. Erik testified for days. There were 64 defense witnesses at the second trial. Erik never said his mother abused him. Thus, he was not legally justified in killing her. Failure to protect does not justify murder. If everyone on the juries could not agree the abuse even took place then what would the mother be protecting Erik from? Erik was a grown man and should have moved out. Even if the abuse was going on, Erik's refusal to leave is implied consent because he knew the rules of the house yet refused to leave and go to college or get a job. Maybe Erik liked it or learned to like it with Jose. Why else would Erik be so stubborn and kept refusing to leave even after the parents changed the house locks and refused to give him a key.
@@S.Blonde sure.
@@S.Blondethe minimal sentence for first degree in CA is 25 years to life. They have already served well beyond that. The relevancy of the other cases speaks to the law itself and whether it should be changed to have outcomes that more appropriately match the crime
Gascon said he doesnt think they deserve to spend their life in prison.They have been rehabilitated. They have bettered themselves. They have studied and have been serving others. Enough is enough. Dr. Oziel said they didnt kill for money. He said they were angry at their parents. The Grand Jury REFUSED to charge them with murder for financial gain.
This one sided discussion is pathetic!
Those sons should've never spent a day in jail. The parents were vile criminals.
Agree. I think a judge should have put them in a place where they could seek help and care for awhile.
Yes, 💯%
Yes absolutely agree.
They should have never spent a day in jail for murdering two people? 😂
@@abbieC88wonder what you would have done if you were in their place?
Blame the victims! “No imminent fear…” What about CONSTANT fear? LIFELONG, CONSTANT FEAR. “No corroborating evidence…” bull****! These two “commentators” are so obviously biased; glad THEY are not the judges. OMG! My 18 year old niece went through a million left to her after my sister’s death in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS!
They were fearful for their lives if they would leave their father said he would kill them. I’m sure they did not want to stay, but they had no choice to stay. I think 35 years is way too much for what they’ve been put through their whole entire life Enough free them
@shannonpartridge9608 Firstly, they were adults, they could have left home, but the Menendezes did not like to work, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, these men were not prisoners or anything like that.
This was a JURY trial not a trial according to you or the judge. The jury did NOT agree they were in imminent fear. The brothers' testimonies was NOT convincing of imminent fear of both parents. IMO they should have embellished more and made the abuse sound more extreme since they were trying to use the abuse excuse. Whatever happened to saying you were chained up and tortured? That has been depicted in enough cases and movies and that is the type of abuse that convinces an entire jury. This case had Erik saying only Jose abused him not his mother and Lyle saying both parents abused him but the abuse stopped a long time ago. A jury cannot help defendants that are not helping themselves. Just because you personally cannot see beyond your perception of what the brothers said does not mean everyone shares or validates your pov because many people require more solid evidence and more details of extreme abuse in order to vote in the defendants' favor.
@@nellym.6555get a life!😂
I have just made the same comment. They would be in constant fear, especially when the other parent know, ignored it and didn’t protect them.
I would hate to have this guy as a professor
He is objective talking about that. Her don´t say what you want to hear.
@@comunidadaerea2400When someone uses terms like ‘they all, or every time’ you know that is not objective.
@@comunidadaerea2400exactly. Very professional.
@@dimitrabouzalas3090shut up
Usually I love listening to Sidebar with Jesse, but these two make me sick! Big dislike! Sorry Jesse!
These guys have already done 35 years. Today’s criminals in California walk free.
What's your point?
Only because pathetic liberals run California
Oink oink 🐷
@@deckzone3000All of us got the point. If we have to explain you don’t need to know.
REDRUM! And your parents for frick sake.
The judge was so dodgy in the second trial. He just wanted a conviction
NOT at all. The judge and prosecution already had went above and beyond at the first trial to allow all that irrelevant and unproven child abuse accusations be presented and the accusations and subjected evidence FAILED to convince the two juries. At the second trial the abuse evidence was limited to proving imminent fear of their parents. The REAL dodgy people where the two felonious brothers whose testimonies did NOT describe imminent fear of their mother.
@@S.Blondeactually the second trial was politically based after the OJ Simpson trial. I guess we’ll see what the DA and the judge does now. It’s out of everyone’s hands.
@@jashley777 It certainly was NOT biased OR BASED off the OJ Simpson. In 1994, Judge Weisburg ordered both the prosecution and defense attorneys to sit down for settlement discussions. Unfortunately, a plea deal was not reached. The defense wanted manslaughter and the prosecutors wanted first degree. Clearly, the best compromise would have been second degree. The second trial was a regular murder trial. Who did the crime? Why did they do the crime? Where is the evidence proving they did the crime? Evidence NOT pertaining to those three questions is legally irrelevant. Lyle deciding NOT to testify was totally up to Lyle. When a defendant chooses NOT to testify you cannot bring forward evidence or testimony corroborating factors the defendant refused to testify to. Erik testified for days but he failed to convince the juries that his abuse accusations against only his father justified him killing his mother. Erik never made abuse accusations against his mom
The first trial ended up being a hung jury which shows that the evidence presented regarding the molestation had an impact on the jury. The second trial excluded all witnesses and anything related to the abuse. The juries only option given was murder in the 1st° or acquittal. Definitely not a fair trial. It turns out this arrangement was made between the judge and the prosecution because of the bad press due to the O.J. Simpson case. They desperately needed a conviction because they were made fools off after the OJ acquittal.
@@S.BlondeNo, just that she knew about it and failed to do anything about it.
I am a little tired of hearing that's it's because of the netflix show. That's not the case a lot of people have thought that what happened during the second trial wasn't fair and people who have went through the same thing that those men went through knew that they were telling the truth. Broken people see Broken in others. Those men had been broken.
Yeah, I knew a lot about this case before that show came out and my opinion is still the same.
I have not seen the Netflix show.
What a laugh. They were not abused just spoiled brats.
@@pinklady4703 lollllll sure. Another blind.
@pinklady4703 OH okay you know what went on in their house. You know everything about everything.
Wow! He is so disrespectful! Obviously he’s never gone through any type of emotional or physical abuse! He doesn’t know what it’s like to have to hide from all this abuse. I hope he’s family never goes through something like this, his so ignorant. So you’re telling me all their family members lied about the abuse? There wasn’t ANY one to talk nice about Jose the father. Even the DA said it herself!! He should just retire…
35 years is enough ESPECIALLY when the parents were abusers. I really have hope they'll be free. It's a new day and age.
35 years later a letter. Pffff
Alleged abuse
No it is not and just because you believe the parents were abusers is irrelevant because the entire juries did not believe that. Everyone has different gullibility levels
Two wrongs don't make a right if they was being abused the police have to deal with not murdering the person in cold blood and he returned to the car to get ammo and that pre planned
@@wowogaming101 exactly! 💯
They've done their time. Time to free them.
Life without parole. Do you know what it means?
The guest says they won the 2nd time bc they knew her tricks! NO! It was bc they excluded witnesses and evidence! So disingenuous. 😡 And they let a disgraced lying therapist who lost his license testify against them. Sick!
One of the most biased interviews I have seen on this case. Disgusting.
My favorite interview. Very professional.
Let them go. Those dudes have still never gotten a proper chance to live yet, born to the parents they were.
Life without parole. Or free all prisoners with the same sentence.
Omg these two men here are the absolute worst. Disgusting
Professionalism. And who are you? Oh, a looser😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A journalist is not an expert in the psychological effect of early life trauma. What an ignorant person.
You know nothing
You become a skilled liar when your family is a lie.
This!!!
The brothers didn’t have a chance on the second trial due to judge only allowing
first degree murder and not manslaughter charges and not allowing their witnesses to testify… judge already made up his mind and wanted a guilty verdict
The judge should never been allowed to do the second trial, the brothers were doomed from the start of it.
Exactly but some brain dead people on here don't know about any of that.
@@saltycat662they planned it ahead of time. That is first degree murder.
Maybe if Lyle wouldn't have said he needed to make a story and he didn't have any problem making people believe him. Then HE decided not to testify in the second trial. That's the main reason a lot of witnesses were striken. They lied!!!
"this included a testimony from a cousin Diane Vander Mullen who testified that an 8-year old Lyle told her he was scared to sleep on his bed because his dad had been touching him inappropriately and that she has been told by kitty about this only for it never to be spoken of again" --Diane wasn't told by Kitty of anything. Diane got Kitty and told her what Lyle told her and Kitty just led Lyle back to his bedroom without saying anything to Diane so Diane at that time thought there was probably nothing wrong happening. Diane said Kitty didn't believe her when she told Kitty what Lyle told her about he and his dad touching each other.
This entire interview is pathetic. Mr. Abrahamson is extremely biased and so is the interviewer.
Totally agree! How about the 'new recent evidence'? Enough is enough here. The brothers paid their due. Free them!
SOOOOO TRUE! Disgusting.
listen to 16:40 they are still ridiculing people that experienced abuse. Notice how it's always people from the 80s that still lack any form of compassion and they still make fun of it. Gosh this case made me realise how awful the 80s actual were
I usually enjoy this channel but this interview was frankly gross and dismissive of abuse survivors and trauma. Shocking that a geriatric male holds the archaic beliefs that led to the brothers being demonized and mocked in the press… he answered the question about boys being able to be abused with non-answer relating it to kids killing their parents and crying about being an orphan… I’m sorry what? 😅 And there was no corroborating evidence about the abuse? What about Erik’s medical exam showing throat trauma as a child? Eye witness testimony? What a pathetic “journalist”.
I can't believe someone who reported on this trial is actually sitting here misstating the trial record.
Bad title 😒. You mean after getting an unfair second trial.
That 2nd trial sounds like BS. New trial, and go from there.
Resentencing, and then go from there…which means time served.
@@blueberrycobbler So disregard the jury's verdict? That is NOT how this works.
I think they need to be resentenced and get out four times served. Another trial would be detrimental for their mental health ❤🙏
Omg they were not abused. Their parents wanted them out of the house and they were tired of supporting them. Just because they use the abuse excuse doesn't mean it happened.
@@pinklady4703 Wrong. There is a huge amount of evidence proving abuse. I don't understand people like you completely looking over all the evidence and just yell the opposite. Also their father wanted Erik to be close and not out of the house so youre already wrong about that.
They should be free. 35 years is time paid. If this was sisters, things would be a lot different
Life without parole. Do you know what it means?
This guy for sure always thinks that he is right, but he couldn’t be further from it! Such a shame
He is totally right. Don't you have parents?
@@xana5649 no, he is not. No, I don't.
They deserve a full trial with all the evidence presented
The first trial was enough. All the evidence was there. But social stigmas prevented justice.
Then the DA moved the goal posts to ensure conviction because they were failing hard off the back of Rodney King and OJ.
The most vulnerable were made the example.
They already had two trials and failed to convince 3 juries.
@S.Blonde Do your research love
1st trial half the jurors were men who thought Men couldn't be S3xually abused!
2nd trial they kept alot of evidence out
Shame on the American justice system 😡
They already had that.
@@S.Blondeexactly
So they should have waited until Jose was about to SA them 😢
The parents were busy changing the locks to the house and refusing to give them a key and trying to get them to move out to college but they refused to leave. You are not a victim when you refuse to leave an alleged abuser's house after they try to put you out.
@@S.Blonde educate yourself with the real facts.
@@katherineshaw6514 Educate yourself. EVERYTHING I stated is irrefutable evidence proven from the brothers own testimonies, common sense and objectivity
@@S.Blondeyou didn’t hear when the father told Erick that he had to stay in the house and not moved out to the university because he wanted to continue abusing him 🙄
@S.Blonde this is true. The sons didn't want to work and support themselves. The father bought the oldest son a condo and the other son was supposed to be living in a college dorm. The parents wanted them out of the house and they were tired of supporting them.
This is unwatchable. Moving on.
No it's not
How about the Fact that if this abuse were going on today or even 10-15 years later
Neither Lyle or Erik would have felt that afraid to leave or say something and this crime of murder never would have happened
The authenticity or dating of the letter? The letter was found in storage after the cousin died. Not sure how Erik could have planted it there from prison 🥴
They planned everything
Sickening how much the judge kept out of the second trial!
As soon as I heard the parents had money………….. made me think twice about the “innocence” of those boys! No need to blow their heads off!
What do you mean .... who at 18 and 21 does that? They were told what to do by their parents constantly. So once parents were killed, they had a sense of freedom and could do and buy whatever they wanted. They were not mature men, only 18 and 21.
They weren't minor's either!
The brothers TRULY believed Jose was going to kill them because of all the threats that he would. A therapist said Lyle had the mind of a 10 year old & Erik had the mind of an 8 year old. THIS is why the killings were not well planned out.
I did not follow the trial but saw bits & pieces of it. When Lyle was on the stand & Erik was crying, I knew they were not lying about the SA. They deserve to be FREE.
They killed their parents because all the abuse they endured.This has happened before where children take revenge on their abusers and they should be given a chance to live their lives.
35 years is enough for both parents.Mitigating circumnstances should apply here. Release the Menendez brothers!! Everybody has seen the autopsy photos , everybody has heard the call to the police and nobody cares. Free them!!
They pre-planned the murders, it was brutal. They were adults and could have left at any time and called the police with the abuse allegations. The most they should get now is maybe a chance at parole.
I agree
These boys were abused no one was gonna help them what could they do yall 🙏🏽🙏🏽
😂 They were 18 and 21
@@deckzone3000they were abused throughout their childhood and they finally found the courage to take out the enemy's. Wish they wére smarter and organised a hit , then they get rid of the problem and get the money
@@ozgal6929 what abused how? Were you there huh??
@@ozgal6929I'm sure they didn't get it up da butt because if they did they'd be walking funny
@@jeckle6257 Did they tell their psychologist? Did they tell police? A university professor? They had plenty of options.
I believe 35 years is enough time. They should be freed.
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Life without parole. Do you know what it means?
As someone who’s never been abused, I do not allow myself to judge other people who’ve been abused as to how they should fear or hate their abuser. Sure they were watching TV but it was an ongoing abuse that both brothers endured. So, how do I know how they felt while being under the same roof with their abuser(s).
They should never walk free!!
My opinion too
Life without parole
Otherwise they should free too all prisoners with the same sentence
Wow. Someone accusing others of being biased whilst being very biased.
I like most people have seen the Netflix show, then went on to fully look into the case. And I plus everyone I've ever spoken to about this have come to the conclusion that these men were sexualy abused. They bought the guns because they actually did fear for their life because they believed their father would hurt them more if they told anyone. So on that night they went in to put an end to it they could have gone to the police but they wouldn't have been believed as apparently males couldn't be abused and not to mention Jose was a powerful man. As for Kitty, she failed them so completely they saw no other choice but to take her out to I would've done exactly the same.
When your parents buy you a condo, buy you a car, give you money, pay your college tuition, pay for your international trips you went on without the parents, change the locks to their home and refuse to give you a key that means you are supposed to MOVE OUT. Condos are meant to be lived in. Cars are meant to be driven. Colleges are meant to be attended. There is NO REASON why two adult men are still in their parents house on August 20th instead of being at college getting ready for fall semester to start shortly. The sons REFUSED to leave the parents house so they are the aggressors not the parents. The parents did not want them there and irrefutable factors I listed are ACTIONS the parents did that proves their intentions. I always value people ACTIONS over mere words. You cannot claim you are being abused when you refuse someone's house. Erik KNEW the rules of that house and refused to leave so he knew as a grown man what came with living there so he either liked it or learned to like it with Jose because it certainly was not such extreme "abuse" he did not want to leave Jose. The killed the mother because she was in their way of getting Jose's money.
@S.Blonde so what you're saying is that "Erik KNEW the rules of that house" 🤔 so he's just meant to TAKE IT???? I think you're just a Karen who watched the Netflix show and now knows everything.
@S.Blonde not to mention that while they're getting abused CONSTANTLY their delinquent father and mother are buying them gifts to cover up and replace the hunt and disgusting things there doing
Their parents made them into the psychopaths they became. Not surprising they retaiated but the way they did was wrong. Abuse is wrong. Killing is wrong. So what is the solution. Theyve been in jail enough time to pay for their crimes and their parents paid the ultimate price
They aren't psychopaths. There's no evidence of it whatsoever. They were heavily traumatised individuals pushed beyond their limit.
We can't call these men psychopaths and ignore the fact that soldiers opt in to kill other humans and somehow get revered for it.
@@nevadatan7323 Totally agree with you. There is no evidence of psychopathy here.
@@nevadatan7323 their mother didn't abuse them yet they murdered her. Soldiers kill ppl they don't know. I've seen interviews and they have defended their mother when their father cheated on her. The mother wasn't innocent by any means bc according to them, she knew about it. First they say their mother went along with it then they say she didn't. What's the real story about her, only they know.
all professionals that evaluated them unanimously said that the brothers are not psychopaths. for you to say that means that you have no understanding of what that term might even mean. it is not even used as a diagnosis in psychological evaluation.
they acted in desperation after years of terror and unimaginable abuse, which resulted in them reacting in the way they did. it was a fight or flight situation. trauma, especially at the level they experienced, affects how the brain reacts to intense threat and fear.
they feel immense guilt and shame about what happened. but the abuse they suffered was so severe and so prolonged that they snapped and, in a moment of pure desperation and fight or flight, they took their freedom back in the only way they could process: by k*lling their abusers.
educate yourself on battered person syndrome
@@wellthisisinteresting4912 educate yourself too...constant abuse effects ppl in many different ways and I stand firm IMO they are most definitely psychopaths bc the mother didn't abuse them according to them. They were not in imminent danger at rhe time either. And as far as education goes I know more than you think I do. Most victims have struggles with many things but for them to take a loaded gun and kill their mother is too much. You may be defending them bc you are family or perhaps you're a victim but have you ever killed anyone. What they did was wrong and not condoning the actions of their despicable father but not going to defend murderers either
Your making all the netflix viewers angry a show not even based in reality
They deserve life in prison
Exactly
The statement that the parents were quietly sitting there watching television is as full of surmise is your absolute certainty that the sons were not in fear for their lives. You can't possibly say what the parents were actually doing or what was in the sons' minds. And the Oziel tapes were them trying to placate him so he wouldn't go to the police. Oziel was no therapist for them. He wanted to tell them how to invest their money and blackmail them. Mr. Abrahamson is merely rehashing the entire prosecution case which I found many many flaws with. The prosecution did not prove to me that they killed with malice. And to hear this journalist speak as though only he knows the truth tells me all I need to know.
😂😂
The abuse never happened, it was just a strategy of the lawyers.Firstly, they were adults, they could have left home, but the Menendezes did not like to work, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, these men were not prisoners or anything like that. Lyle was remembered by those at LIVE as showing up late and unapologetic for work, ignoring orders, not paying attention and skipping work entirely on warm days to play tennis. "Nasty, arrogant, and self-centered," was the way some co-workers described Lyle
That’s right!!! It was all lies
When two adult brothers testified that the parents were in a CLOSED door den watching television and eating and that they "opened the door and ran in there with firearms" that is self-confessed malice aforethought. "Prove to YOU that they killed with malice" when CA first degree charges requires malice aforethought not simply malice shows you purposefully disregard the laws and demonstrates your inability to set aside your overly emotional pov and objectively LISTEN to what the brothers testified.
@@carol5763 Erik wrote a third rate screenplay entitled Friends. The script was a sixty-two-page thriller about a son from a wealthy family who reads his parents' will and learns that upon their deaths, he will inherit $157 million. The son murders everyone to get his hands on his parents' money before being killed.
It seems Generation Z has a hard time understanding what fiction is. They dont understand that "based on true events" means a few things may be true, but the rest could be embellished for entertainment purposes. They dont understand that song lyrics aren't necessarily true. It's comical yet disturbing.
And obviously you don't know what evidence is.
the evidence will speak for itself despite your outdated 80s mindset. The brothers will be set free with all the evidence provided.
I'm 40. You're mistaken if you think only teenagers want them release
@@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk girl as Gen z's we aren't teenagers anymore 😭 most of us in our early/mid 20s!
I don't think they should be released. I don't care WHY they murdered their parents. At the end of the day it's still murder.
Exactly
Cold blood killers
Anyone saying these two should be released has lost their mind. Kitty's 90 year old brother gave a statement to People and believes they should stay in prison. They shot the woman who gave them life in the face. They don't deserve to be out at all.
But Kitty's sister doesn't say the same as the brother.
and all the other relations are with them not kitty
Have you thought that Kitty’s brother financially gained something from his brother law or was involved in something deviant that the brothers may know ?
He is the only one
over 20 family members on both side support the release of the brothers but some grumpy old uncle is against it? says enough
Sign the petition 🙏 , free the brothers 🤍🙌🏼
Never!
Don't you have parents? TikTok trash.
I am a Canadian lawyer, and of course our legal systems are different. Our national Supreme Court in 1990 allowed an acquittal of a woman who killed her abusive husband because of long-standing abuse, despite no imminent danger. I am simply raising it for comparison for the legally or otherwise interested: R. v. Lavallée.
On the internet everybody is a lawyer and a doctor🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There not walking free They have already served 35 yrs Free them
Life without parole. Do you know what it means?
Otherwise they must free all prisoners with the same sentence
Ok. Lyle did not go "moments later" and sob into the phone. They first met with Perry Berman at Taste of LA after dumping the guns off Mulholland Drive and retroactively trying to get alibi movie tickets to "Licence to Kill". Then they came back to the house and saw the parents again, dead......Erik is off wailing, Lyle calls 911. But sure, you were there for 6 months in the courtroom. I may have a better memory. Also the whole Big 5 thing? Not a blatant lie; I believed it was an honest mistake. But Kuriyama sure was proud of himself.
But their trial was back then. Not today.
I dont like your guest . You dont know what you do if you we’re abused
They should stay in prison because their lives were not in danger and they could have leave the house or called police
Their lives were in danger from their point of view and that's what's important. That's what's called "imperfect self defense". You are judging them with your adult brain who had a happy childhood. No, they couldn't have called the police, they had been threatened by their father who had guns in the house, he could pay off anyone and had done it in the past, plus they were so traumatized they thought no one would believe them, and they were right. Even now there's people who don't believe them. They couldn't leave the house because they felt that their father could hunt them down any time. You lack empathy.
@@nillyk5671wow look at you
@@nillyk5671no, their lives weren't in danger. Don't you have parents? Shame on you.
So being abused all there life by both the there parents, no adult stepping in. Noway out of there and doing the murder... makes sense they did it tbh when nobody came to safe them
This is a complete disgrace and disrespect for people who have truly suffered abuse.The abuse never happened, it was just a strategy of the lawyers.
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@@nellym.6555 not everybody has a millionaire-controlling monster father. He had a lot of power and connections. The American Justice System, his friends and people like him in power are still protecting his reputation even 35 years after his dead. If their father had been a regular poor or middle class guy, sure they would have been able to escape easily but this was not the case. Why do you feel the need to compare your situation to theirs?
@@nellym.6555 I've suffered psychological abuse only but I understand them.
@@GloriaRodriguez-vy1gk All of us at some point have been abused in one way or another, and we didn't kill anyone.
Why isn't Mom and Dad attending the hearings to show support for their "boys"?
There was no fear of the parents either. They were planning on changing the locks to the house and changing their will. People don't even know what the parents went through with these two.
Exactly. The only “abuse” they endured was their parents expecting them to get an education and be independent. They just wanted a quick inheritance.
There facts that this parents were cruel in many ways . I don’t think that all the family members would be lying , I guess some people never see the evil in others ,this is reason why people like Jose Menéndez got away with so much n Kitty too .
I think you’d find it very informative living with the likes of Jose for a few years.
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@@jessicamccrady5210If they were after the inheritance, why did Erik quickly return to the US as soon as he found out Lyle got arrested, and knowing he’d immediately be arrested and potentially sitting in death row?
May this dear woman getbher and all family members wish. Bless her heart.
Me and my mam watched the series of the Menendez brothers, she was shocked and even cried because she can't comprehend how someone could do such horrible things to children let alone their own children. I truly think they deserve a new trial and to be released.
It was just the defence strategy. Abuses never happened.
This was very bias, I didn't even watch it to the end. No-one needs Netflix or TikTok to have an opinion about this case. Very one sided and narrow minded interview.
Absolutely agree. He only talked about the tragic scene, there was not a word about the conditions those boys grew up in. What a lopsided perspective. Yep, won’t waste my time.
It’s thanks to i*o*s like this journo that we still have a shocking level of child sa in our world.
Free the brothers ❤ they’ve served their time.
I agree
They literally haven't. Their punishment was life without parole.
@deckzone3000 And their sentence was applied based in a biased second trial that was politically motivated.
They should stay in jail for the rest of their miserable lives.
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No evidence we’re allowed not fare free the brothers
Abuse fabricated evidences. It was just the defence strategy.
There are a lot of people who have been molested they don’t kill their parents nor their perpetrators
Yup there’s a lot of those perpetrators who get away with it for years and years or do short sentences get out and commit the crimes again. Who’s the bigger threat to society- them or the people who’ve had enough, snap and put a real stop to things in a way the justice system keeps failing to do?
Wtf does that have to do with anything? A lot of women have killed their abusers and were set free. Why is this case any different? Oh, because they're boys right?
THIS
If your interested is all the details go watch Crime weekly podcast about the menendez brothers. There was definitely corroberation about the abuse. Kitty knew and did nothing about it. She was also a drunk and abused pills she was not innocent by any means. Im not saying they shouldn't have gone to jail but they were the product of their awful parents and there should be some consideration 30+ years later
It is astonishing to me that in this day and age, people still need someone to explain to them the affects of abuse on a victims mind. It’s very easy for us to sit here and go through the things the brothers could and should have done that night, but it’s much more difficult to understand the fact that in that moment, they truly believed their life was in danger because of everything they experienced at the hands of their parents, and they acted out of panic. They’ve served their time and deserve a second chance. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!
The docuseries states that they did not tell the Dr because the Dr had to tell the dad what was discussed!
People especially young boys are easily influenced by the media and music. If these bums get out, young boys will thing that it's okay to murder your parents. Keep them in there. I am so disgusted by these comments.
And ruined they're lives forever? Seriously doubt young people today are going to be willing a life in jail no matter how many TikTok's they look at.
This comment is nonsensical. No kid will look at these brothers spending 35 years in prison and think, "yeah, I think I'll do the same thing they did."
@@roachums123The innocent little boys, Lyle lived with his girlfriend in Alabama, mature enough since he was in a relationship without any problems and Erik dedicated himself to stealing, poor boys were so afraid of their father that they never wanted to leave home. The poor mother was afraid of them and the father no longer wanted to give them money, so both monsters decided to plan and execute the murder.
Leave them alone. You just want them in jail to set an example. I dont think boys would like to spend 35 years in jail!
The ptsd I believe they suffer from it, but weren’t living in a constant state of that. They were functional members of society struggling with trauma and ptsd. So I believe the murder was premeditated with functional mind at that moment. The law is clear.
Let the brothers go
Free the Menendez brothers
Just now the family is here?? How suspicious. If abuses really occurred, why they didn't go to the police? Yeah, right.
“Always follow the money.” Lyle hadn’t been abused since he was a child. He used it as an excuse. He burglarized homes because of his greed. He was a student at an Ivy League University with his own condo, not a country hick living in a shack. Nothing stopped them from going to the police-NOTHING! He was a spoiled rich kid, who could never get enough. His actions after the murders clearly showed, that he was after the money. Purchase of multiple Rolex’s, a Porsche, an apartment, a restaurant, $1000 suits, vacations and casino gambling were clear signs of a person obsessed with wealth and the flaunting of it, not of an abused person who escaped their capture. But that’s just my opinion. And the funny thing is that he and Eric are about 10 years older than their parents now.
They served their time.
@@mariaashley87 They brutally murdered two ppl. I think they should at least do 20 years for each victim.
Agreed
@@mrbill6666 Well, they’re at 35 years so close enough.
@@mrbill666635 Is ok
They should have made a legal cada and put father in jail
This guy being interviewed is gross. The term abuse excuse should not exist. This guy has obviously not ever been through that to coin the term abuse excuse. I really love sidebar, but this is the most disgusting interview I have seen on this channel thus far.
I’m not sure I understand the support for the brothers. Let’s say it’s true that their father abused them and did awful things to them as children, but how does that “justify” them killing not only their father but also their mother, years later after the alleged abuse?
Just because they lied it doesn´t mean they weren´t being abused, no correlation.
Well these adults should have chosen different
My stance is if we are going to allow gypsy rose out after her “abuse” was proven to be medical necessity not abuse and she was a major part of the murder and planning of the murder of her mother and in my opinion helped in the actual crime these boys have served their time and paid their dues especially when you can’t find a single person to say a nice thing about Jose in particular, these guys should have their opportunity at freedom
The judge if alive should be punished.
He is alive, and I believe the judge is corrupt.
@@Clintsessentialsshut up. We're the jury corrupted too??
But still more time in prison doesn’t bring the parents back whatever someone is thinking. These brothers were really young. These incarceration times in the states are crazy.
Free the brothers
35 years is long enough set them free