2015 Honda Civic Type R VS 2005 EP3 Type R: Track Battle
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The new Honda Civic Type R has landed, and it's packing more power than we thought possible! But just how far has the Type R bar been raised? We find out in this epic track battle against the much-loved EP3. Which would you have?
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Nice to see car throttle are not dicks about Hondas like most
yeah the only people who hate Honda has never had experience with one
I've worked on one at my dads car shop. I got to test drive it after we fixed it and it was fun and it was manual.
+just another car guy Exactly, once you've owned one, or even driven one, most other cars pale in comparison.
+Matt Campbell yeah. another reason why I love hondas. The older ones are manual
+Desu Gun heck I haven't driven yet but my dad's civic was awesome! he sure drove it like a boss and it was super fun to ride in
An EP3 with a standard exhaust. Thought they were extinct!
+PT82 nope mine does too, there still a couple out there!
+PT82 When the boy racer era dawned on us, these were a little out of their price range. theres actually quite a few out there.
+PT82 My EP3 is totally original. Except for the air box. Induction sound is gorgeous on these. No need for a 5 inch tailpipe lol.
+PT82 well in croatia there are tons of them with oem exhaust, i dunno how it is in the rest of europe...but people who buy these cars here dont have a need to show off with fart can and over sized shinny rims ^^
Yes you lot show your age.
Mini fist bump when he liked the EP3 more, yay.
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam Right back at ya!
+Alex Kersten Phil or the EP3? ;)
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam SPOILERS!
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam idk why but the way he said it brought a tear to my eye...
+Mohammed “Mo” Siyam i like the EP3 more tbh
I had an ep3 15 years ago and reluctantly sold it to get a family five door! I can’t tell you how much I missed it! I didn’t realise how special it was until it was gone! I soon realised I was literally in love with it! I went out and bought another one exactly the same and have driven it ever since! I’d never sell it! Ep3s are epic and in my view a future classic
Price is sky rocketing now mate! You still got it?
I've replaced Top Gear with Car throttle now...
My love for 90s and 00s Hondas is just so enormous it makes me giggle.
One day I will buy an extremely low mileage S2000 just to look at. Haha
EP3 is a legendary car.
FK2 is a turbocharged Honda Jazz with adaptive dampers. FK8 is really the car to go for, FK2 just...wasn't it.
Props to Honda that the EP3 got 200hp with no turbo and only 4 cylinders by 2 liters!!
EdoGaming 240HP in the S2000. Same engine
The S2000 initially used a longitudinally mounted F20C, which is a different architecture to the transversely mounted K20A3 in this Civic. The F engine and the K engine share some engineering, but is still a different architecture. The F20C also had a compression ratio of 11.5:1 and a much higher redline of 9200 rpm, and the K20A3 had a compression ratio of 9.8:1, and only revved to 6800 rpm.
The S2000 then went to an F22C1, which was a reworked F20C, but the compression ratio went down to 11.1:1, the redline was moved down to 8200 rpm, and obviously there was larger displacement, hence the 22 in the name (2.2 liters). I'm sorry, but you're wrong, the two engines are not the same.
@@dawsonjohannes613 You are wrong as well. This has the K20A2 not 3 and revs over 8000. If you're going to copy and paste, at least source the correct information.
@@Visual_Ghoul You're right. I don't really know what I was on about 5 months ago. Must've had one too many. No need to be an ass.
@@dawsonjohannes613 the tone of my correction was similar to yours when you responded 4 months after the comment that you were attempting to correct.
Just because you patronisingly used the word "sorry" when attempting to correct the other person, doesn't meant that you werent being an "ass" either.
Personally I think the EP3 is by far the best looking Honda they ever made
+DildosForChristmas no, it's the 8th gen!
+DildosForChristmas
Preludes, integras and the s2000 both look better than any civic...
My mistake, I meant best looking Civic, not Honda overall. However Preludes are ugly and the front of the S2000 is not on par with the rear. The NSX is leagues above though.
+DildosForChristmas In my opinion the 1997 EK9 looks the best.
JustARandom I like it too but it's just too wide at the back. It looks like it's got a huge ass. The facelift EK9 looks awesome at the front though
EP3 also can go on 3 wheels.
At 9:53
everyone knows the EP3 is the best hot hatch in the UK, it might not be the fastest, but it gives maximum smiles per gallon!! I have a silver facelift :)
EP3 all day. Fuck a turbo.
So if the EP3 had a turbo, you wouldn't like it?
Steven Slead No. For some reason I prefer Hondas to be naturally aspirated, or supercharged.
And it's a shame that the Euro EP3 only got the K20A2 and not the legit K20A.
+GT6SuzukaTimeTrials Lol still better then USA's A3
+GT6SuzukaTimeTrials says the guy that can't turbo
The video edit/shoot skills are too good.
+- Jake - You're right. We should fire Ethan to give everyone else a chance ;)
Alex Kersten Yeah! (No please don't :P)
Show us some lift off oversteer clips then....?
yeah I think these guys videos need more obvious illustration of driving skill/ability of the car. They're great videos, but I was expecting a proper track battle on this one! As in, on a track. Like Autocar do, but with CTs creative edge and more focus on the car doing the work rather than just being told that it can do it.
No offence CT. But I don't feel it was the meal I was expecting :)
yeah lets see some oversteer in a front wheel drive cars with medium ranged bhp
+scooked films It's very, very easy to do. I got oversteer in a 0.8 litre Daihatsu once.
+lgliam yeah.. and I oversteered my old dodge stratus... you can do it, but there's no point with a front wheel car.
+Talon276 i got the same feeling out of my honda fit sport .... its so light , that event at 120bhp you felt like a race car driver taking those corners as fast as you can while doing the lift off oversteer , awesome....
The lift-off oversteer is because the EP3 has independent rear-suspension. The FK2 has a torsion beam at the rear. Which is mental for a car of it's price.
Right now, the EP3 Type R is my attainable dream car, I fully intend to buy one as a second car when I can drive. Everything about it is what a hot hatch should be;
- FWD
- Manual only
- High revving N/A i4
- Lightweight
- Independent rear suspension
- It's small, not a stupid saloon sized hatchback like the new one
- The styling is almost perfect, it's simple and has a nice shape versus the stupidly overstyled new one with all it's fake vents and oversized rear wing
It's truly a great car and a definite future collector's item, seeing as almost none of them are stock anymore.
Currently owning an FK2 and having had an EP3 i can only agree with the EP3 being the best car.
Mike Hunt Agree totally, don't get me wrong the latest type R is epic but the ep3 has soul and feels like nothing I've ever driven; especially on Broads. I imported the ep3 JDM and it's phenomenally quick on a twisty road - it would surprise a lot of more powerful cars.
@@TheKevzx6r jdm ep3? werent they only released in europe?
Simon Stevenson Japan only
Mike Hunt I respect the honesty 👏
Now is probably the 4th time I'm watching this video. Awesome stuff, props to Ethan and Alex for this amazing video!
It's a shame that well done videos like this doesn't get the same views as those " 10 top lists " on your channel
Another brilliant video from you guys 👍
Great analogy in the conclusion as well. keep up the good work Car Throttle 😊
Amazing video as always keep it up love watching ur vidz
Many thanks Fabian
+Car Throttle Should of done ek9 vs ep3 vs this new one ... although i guess its hard to find an ek9 which some chav hasnt fucked up
+Car Throttle Heres a thing, If you take a bugatti veyron engine, and start it up, it will burn, without the massive cooling system, that just makes that car, really dependent of cooling systems, so why not make a old style v8 or v12, 200mph+
+Jeppe Ottosen True
+Car Throttle good choice Alex #VTEC #EP3
Why does the end to the video of a car make me emotional? - Loved the video, made me tear up, not even sure why.
Beautiful video, amazing editing and commentary. Didnt think it was possible but i love my EP even more now
Been waiting for this vid for so long, so worth the wait!
That's a minter of an EP3. It's done less than 40,000 miles. Cosmic grey premier edition as well. Worth about £7-8k.
The Hitman 37000 miles and driven most days I smell bullshit.
The Hitman Good luck with the kid, they're good fun 👍🏼
prefer the 05, its arse doesn't look like a potato
beautiful video , guys, honestly, you did a very good car review on both, you remained unbiased throughout the whole video, and you put a lot of production value in the video, always love your videos, theyre just so fun to watch and a lot of times i learn some things, i hope you guys reach all your goals in life
+michael silva My goal is to get taller, so here's hoping!
That statement at the end was worded beautifully, I wish every member of the car community would view things the same way as Alex, amen!
He's right in that if you're a proper driver, it doesn't take long to fall in love with the EP3. It's so much fun pushing its limits and if you're good enough, like he said, the modern ones can't shake it. So rewarding!
EP3's are good, I almost bought one. But I'm glad I got a DC2 Integra instead, love it
You guys fill that void that the defunct Top gear created in my heart. You have such well written and shot reviews and comparisons, with a true gearhead's soul. I can't get enough!
Excellent video guys! The first proper EP3 vs New TypeR I've seen so far.
I miss my ep3 even though I've never owned one😖
I miss my ep3. Unfortunately a lorry went into me up the M1 early last month and then I bought a smart roadster. Why oh why!!
We're here for you!
I'd like to drive a smart roadster to see what it was like, I doubt I'd buy one.
+Cornwall1888 there good fun and 50 mpg when your thrash it but your playing with 100 bhp which is lame. In the process of a turbo and exhaust upgrade at a specialist in Guildford next month. Do recommend driving one although no Vtec shenanigans.
+lilmaz RIP ep3. Fun little car, loved mine. Now my little brother owns it. When he goes to sell it, I will hopefully be able to buy it back.
+lilmaz Since when was 100bhp lame?
Just researching now about getting an ep3 , really enjoyed your video , great stuff
Top quality video, entertaining, contains alot of information and not overedited like many others on UA-cam. Thanks!
I would love if Honda made a new Prelude, but this time RWD, I always found that preludes would be a great RWD car. Anyways great vid guys!!
Absolutely brilliant video
Gotta be the best vid ive seen from you guys well done :)
Nobody was expecting the EP3 to be better. I just wanted to know that the legacy is carried on.
Auto Express take note, thanks for giving a proper comparison of these two.
on my way to bed and I see a car throttle notification it's gonna be a sweet night after that
love your videos. Keep up the good work.
the tripod-mode (EP3) was never a problem for jeremy and tiff. they enjoyed it, it's a feature!
HONDA IS ONE OF THE BEST BRAND EVER MADE
aaaaaactually second best, TOYOTA is really the best in the car market.
I mean it's ISIS approved and that's says a lot...
Sir Toyota is very good also but Honda i Think that is better, Honda civic is very important in kanjo culture also Honda was the First brand to introduce valve Timing and Lift control (Aka vtec)
It's all about Chevy Booii
+OfficialDeathCenter well its hard to say what's best i've seen plenty of Camry and Accords blowing past 400,000 miles on the road 1980's and up.
I think in terms of general perspective TOYOTA and HONDA are bar even I love them both to death 😹
+Eon Fps 'Chevy' haha behave
Man, this video makes me miss my old VTEC EK hatch so badly :(
This is what it's about!
Real world reviews, not based on a biased opinion.. great work! Cool to see the ep3 still has the fun factor! (the ep3 you used was identical to my old one) :)
I've never left a comment on UA-cam before, but i have to say, this video was amazing! perfect choice with the ep3! I always said the type r died after the ep3. but maybe the 2015 type r has pulled it back.. I just hope they don't forget what made the type r what it was!! when i hear that vtec crossover it always makes me smile
I wonder what kind of tires are on the ep3. That can account for a considerable amount of performance difference, especially if the owner has some crappy all-seasons on it.
+YEApopcornBABY EP3 came from Honda so would have had some decent tyres on
+Andrew Robinson comes standard with decent tires id imagine, its a new car, very track focused. those tires would likely be road legal slicks with more ideal characteristics in the rain...
EP3 dosnt need to shift into 3rd the reach 60. Stretch it out to its 8400rpm limiter and it should knock considerable time off the 0-60 👍
Late to the party but you're thinking of the jdm car I think maybe, higher rev limit. 8200 is the rev limit isn't it on the euro cart?
Source: I have one
James Baggaley they won’t hit 60 in second unless they’ve been hondata k pro remapped. Jdm Rev higher and are tuned to 220 so can
Not to mention the jdm ep3 has an extra 10 kw
Ethan, that editing was absolutely stellar.
Been waiting this all day.
Love the FK2 but being turbo'd will never be a true type r like the ep3, which has so much spirit and soul. The k20 is the greatest mass produced engine in the world, just sublime. K pro the ep3 with breather mods and I would take that all day! But I don't have to, because I own one!! Love a cosmic premier!
+MrStamford78 The FK2 **has** a K20! :) The K20C1.
+TassieLorenzo I realise this, but as I said it is turbo'd and will never be looked at as a true K20 screamer! Fantastic machine though. Seen a couple up close but not been out in one yet.
+MrStamford78 Like my B18C more its got that mad brutal sound to it like You are cutting metal with angle grinder.
+ZEED. yes, that is a brutal crossover! Adore the dc2! IVTEC became a lot smoother. Gruppe m on my ep3 is a crazy, insane sound though. Love it!
Are you stupid? Most people with k20s turbo it regardless
I just bought a low mileage ep3 that's mint, as I owned one 8 years ago.. wow I'm in love again
WELL DONE review! Thanks!
Love the photography in these videos. Brings a tear to my eye.
is that prius with gt spoiler and red honda emblem?
holy shit you're right
Wow, holy crap, it is! >_>
Yeah I hate the rear :/
+garlicson Honda Insight is a Prius copy, not the Civic
+KC Trilla me too the front is okay but the rear is like an open vagina lol
THUMBS UP FOR E46 M3 VS E92 M3 VS F80 M3 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. JUST COMPARE SOME M3'S AND THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE :D
I was debating whether to buy an EP3 as my next car, but after hearing your comments my mind has been made up for me
You are amazing guys detailing job!!!!! keep the good work!!!!!!!!
That new Type R looks great, but i'd have to go with the Focus RS in the class.
Love the ep3 type r simple fun and not full of plastic interior exterior trim. simple clean lines defiantly a future hot hatch classic. I plan to buy one this year to replace my e30 touring
Definitely*. But I agree.
Nice vid keep up doing car reviews
Great review!!
they should make the EP3 shape again
Not sure I agree. Its a great car, but is a little dated in many ways. I just wish they'd make a new Civic with everything which made the EP3 (and Civics previous to the EP3) so great. The latest Civic isn't much smaller than an old Accord now.
The 2015 civic type r reminds me of the Lamborghini veneno lol
a prius with a spoiler
Says the guy who drives a hyundai
Omar Jamali who has a hundai? Not me thats for sure
+Tommy Le Yep prius"s beat 911s, GTRs, Lambos, etc around the ring. Civic ran a 7:50. Not bad for a 30k car.
Awesome, you helped me fall in love with my ep3 all over again. Maybe i'll take it out of the garage again.
It's like watching the big brother teach the little brother how to do it. Nice vid.
I really like the new car, I appreciate what its capable of and from an engineering standpoint its a marvel, but given the choice i'd have to take the ep3 as well, I'm not really sure why but it just screams fun, whilst the new one is a more serious racer, and being an EJ9 owner myself lightweight, not much power and a good chassis is unbeatable for fun in my opinion. Awesome video guys, keep at it.
+Ethan Gee Me too. It has a nice somewhat compact shape too.
300 hp in a FWD? That's pretty impressive. But I prefer a huge ass V8, go Murica!
Go nascar and straight lines fuck yeaa
+edgar soto and maybe turn left sometime
+govenmentassassin fuck fuel economy, fuck the environment, fuck lightweight efficiency and handling, build em big and build them shit! 'MURICA!
+govenmentassassin go murica! and stay there
Admirable video, Jezza!
Great video and the last line was hilarious
Stock engine EP3 with some boost will make mincemeat of the fk2 for less than half the price ;)
Love the ep3 definitely my favourite type r until I try a ek9
Good video - subscribed!
Of course i'd take the EP3, last year i raced one in an 1.8 MX5 NB, and boy that car looked sexy dancing all over the place!
Got my ass kicked on the straight, that's v-tec for you...
I thought EP3 meant Episode 3 at first lol
+xboxgamer959 Try searching for ep3 videos on youtube. It's not fun.
I would rather have the Focus RS for £30K
awesome review
Omg i was soooo hyped for this
Put a little turbo in the ep3!
OPINION!
New Civic is just ugly
+TheCoBBus I'm half with you there.
- Jake - do you give me 1/1 if I say the rear is the problem with the wing on top of a wannabe wing?
***** Nope, sorry. That wing is functional..
It looks unreal
lmao I've seen worse
EP3 with a few subtle engine mods to get it into the 240BHP region, some Michelin cups, LSD, sorted suspension and I think on the track it would be a lot closer than people think! All for less than 10 grand!
Great video👌🏼
The guys at honda threw their hands up and sighed at the end of this video.
why won't Honda make a rwd sports car it would sell probably out sell any entry-level sport coupe on the market would probably be a gem to drive, and Honda it's 2015 vtech isn't impressive anymore and you're just beating it to death
they did, it's called the s2000.
For me FWD is better than RWD
+Scott Babcock Vtec may not be "impressive" technically speaking, any more, but it's well worth having over just one cam profile
1st of all your comment is pointless cause they made one... Its called the s2000 2nd the engines arnt made by the popular electronic company "vtech" they use a vvt system called "vtec" that when at higher rpms, lifts the valves higher (and i think i little longer) to make more power making it have better fuel economy, also how the fuck is more power annoying? almost every single car nowadays uses vtec, they just call it something else, usually vvti
+adam1991miata a lot of other car manufacturers use variable value timing it's the norn but Honda treats it like it's some magic wizard power than only Hondas have and no shit I know about the s2k but the stopped making them for no reason and there missed Honda needs to pull their heads out of their ass and make a real sports car that people want
Realy nice and professional video! Enjoyed it very much. Maybe just record the comments in a room with less reverb/better acoustics?
amazing vid again!!!
all about the EK9 Type R
Same here. The newer ones are cool but definitely the older Type R's for sure.
i love the civic jordan swell :D
Exactly
i see you guys are really trying to be top gear here
Who wouldn't?
+Urf The Manatee me ;-;
+Urf The Manatee Top Gear WAS good (british)
SharkGames707 Agreed. Top Gear USA was a money milking program.
+Ryukachoo Well until Top Gear comes back with their new show, it's A OKAY wit me lol
Great video! Good decision made at the end! EP3!!!
Better to test a proper JDM EP3 type R i reckon
Its got about 30 more hp, more torque and a helical LSD which all would make a fairly big difference on a track
whoever idea it was to do the sound effect of like playing water glasses or if its part of the song for the intro, my speakers were playing it and my fucking god it is so cringy and high frequency making my ears bleed
+WhatStandards Slightly overreacting. I have a full BOSE speaker set up, and the sound was just fine. Maybe you need some better speakers.
- Jake - maybe so, but ive literally never had any problems with sounds like those. I just know it felt like the quality of the sound was so trashy and recorded on like a piece of crap. Cause i can just pull up a video on youtube right now with water glasses and itll sound fine and not ear shattering
+- Jake - you are the one with bad speakers. BOSE is missing alot of the sound picture
WhatStandards Ah, ok. They may not have calibrated the sound properly or something, I dunno.
FSXgta I do music production and audio development. BOSE are one of the highest leading hardware groups for both of those.
The 2015 looks soooooooooo sick!!
You alright gingium? Been subbed to u since 30k keep grinding my guy
very professional. Thank you !! You made me laugh :D
great video. the only one that gives facts and mentions the other civic type R's. unlike the mainstream that think ep3 and fn2 are the only ones
my honda civic has 87 horse power
if its not a type R its not a tight car
Disappointed with the Car Throttle guy for saying the 8th gen Type R is anything but pretty. You're wrong, petroldude!
Agree, I find it the most beautiful actually!
8th gen looks like a space egg
*****
This is what hatchbacks look like, just look at the Ford Focus or the Toyoa Auris. The 9th gen Civic (in this video) is an evolution of the 8th gen design, and it's very similar in most regards.
WhiteSlift 8th gen is a delicious car
Brilliant material.
Finally I'm not the only one who thinks the ep3 was the best ever type r!