I own a 2003 EP3 Type R. In terms of pace, it just doesn’t compete anymore, but for a little b road source of enjoyment on a sunny day it’s never lost it’s fun factor.
People have told me that you get used to the power if you have a ''fast'' car. So having a car that's fun in the corners will probably stay fun as long as you enjoy driving quick.
EP3 dont need pace at all, that little car its a piece of art. From a VAG fan, that car, and his k20, was the reason that i got so attached to petrol cars.
Have you measured the 0-100 and 100-200kmh time? Planing to take mine just to stage 1 ecu they said it will get the same 370hp and 510nm. Do you think it’s worth the upgrade?
Join the club.. Had mine for 9 yrs from new until it was written off with 133,000 on the clock.. not by me.. it was rear ended in stop traffic.. Went over to the FN2 championship white.. nothing like the EP3 at all.. It's heavier, less raw in vetec, electronic throttle.. hated it.. Had it for 3 years now have a Astra J vxr.. All these years later still comparing the Astra to EP3.. Nothing like raw high revs with the burst of vetec.. coming on song..
they used to race the full mile more often in older videos, but sometimes on faster cars they were running out of space to brake because they were reaching seriously high speeds.
@@denisdeari1 No it's not. You don't need to google the power to weight ratio. It requires two numbers to calculate, and both are given on the comparison slide. Have you not learned how to divide?
Yeah, I reckon FN2 actually age well on considering it still have aggressive looks not not overly stylise than most modern cars. Interior may be look plain by modern standards, but that curved big 3D style dash on the bottom still unique and if it's a full LCD, it could look modern. FK8 may be the one look dated in the future since Honda is now going for more subdued and mature looks. Though FK8 will be unique over stylise car in the future for sure.
First thing I noticed when he said 'every' generation of civic type R. Only thing I can think of it was only released in Japan. Would have loved to have seen that in the line up. 😎
@K20XRL yeah thats true, I think my next Mods are gonna be an RRC intake Manifold and a 74mm throttle body. The standard RAC manifold is supposedly quite restrictive for it. (May have got the manifolds the wrong way round, I often do)
Honestly I'm a big fan of the FN2 (spaceship one). i love the styling and the fact that it's the last 3-door civic type r and naturally aspirated. That plus that it's not that heavy makes it my pick despite the outright speed disadvantage.
I used to own an FN2 before I bought my FK8 and while I love my FK8 I also have a soft spot for the older FN2, something really special about it, has so much character and handles superbly. Type R's where never about 0-60 times anyways
Hab einen FN2 in schwarz . Hab mich damals grade wegen der Optik gegen den EP3 entschieden . Der optische Unterschied innen und außen ist krass , beim EP3 sieht man das er alt ist , beim FN2 nicht .
Very true and the interior in the FN2 looks was years ahead of any car of its time and still looks funky now. I have a GT one with the cruise control and all the extra climate control etc and it even has speech control in it. And let's not forget the seats If it wasn't for the FN2 as the grandad, it's grandchildren wouldn't have these features. Plus what they didn't clearly show was the sound of the VTech in the older cars beats any other newer ones. I've driven them all and they're yawnville compared with the sound. Just a slight mod on the FN2 you get so much more power for the money. The later ones. Yes, they have the turbo power and are very quick but you can't use it anywhere on our British roads anyway. 200 horsepower is plenty to have fun, especially on the back roads.
Contrary to Mat's opinion, I think the Fn2 has aged the best! Sharp looking thing for an ~18 year old design, without any of the fussiness of it's successors. The EP3 is iconic and brilliant, but it looks like a van.
@@Moazz786 I would say that's somewhat of a myth. It was probably used as it's cheaper to engineer and build but in a competitive setting (there are many races on youtube with FN2, EP3 and other hondas competing) it doesn't seem to make any real difference.
Matt had the advantage going in because he has actually owned the car he drove, right? For me, the manual transmission cars I've owned, you really become one with the clutch and shifter over the years. So I can see how Matt's familiarity with that car gave him such a great launch. Well done. EDIT: And your hand brake work too there Matt. Lol.
Love my EP3 had mine since June 2020, 137k for £3500 1 owner from new. Loved it, spent a lot of money and could spend double again and not be satisfied. Sitting at 153k and still sings away to 8600rpm. Such easy cars to work on I've self taught myself a lot of mechanical and service work all because of Honda's especially the older generations, would have been good if you could have got an EK9 in the mix too!
I have a FK1, and I think the FN2 is the worst dynamically, but might be the more spacious one. The boot is huge. I think it could be the more "dad has responsibilities but also wants some fun every now and then" car 🤣🤣
@@Caronte4116 the boot is indeed huge; my gf had an FN2 and picked up a shower plate (whatever it's called, the plate/slate thing you stand on in the shower) in it... I think it's like 150cm long and people in the car park were watching her loading it into her Civic... ; she also doesn't like the over-the-top winged look of the newer models
its wierd that the fk2 and fn2 are the same except one denotes the 5door and 2 door but theres also an fn2 and fk2 for both years, ive got the fk2 sport 2006 but ive got to say the accelleration to me atleast on video didnt seem as responsive as in real life. could just be the comparison but seemed much more sluggish than normal.
Not a soft limiter on the NA civics. It's the non VTEC cam lobe. VTEC requires wheel speed and oil pressures etc etc to engage. The small lobe isn't designed for revs so the ignition system is cutting out of the power for that lobe.
I love my FK2, and this video makes me not regret my choice for getting it and not waiting for the newer ones - I way prefer the style and look of the FK2, so to see it perform fairly evenly with the two newer models, makes me happy
I learned manual just to get the FK8. I'm saving up now for it. Such an amazing looking car with great specs. Sad that America didn't get the other years, especially the FK2.
I had an EP3 exactly like that one, what a great car. I was 20 when I got it, had it for 3 years and still miss it to this day. I’ll never forget the sadness I felt trading it in 🤣🤣 usually you are excited getting a new car. Not that day. I have an FK2 black edition now and have zero plans on ever getting rid of it. So much fun.
The EP3 was not the first Civic Type R. The EK9 was. It may be JDM only, but it was still the first and it would have been good to have one in this video.
@@nawwalzaharan3651 I know ithe EK9 is JDM only. I wrote that in my comment mate. It doesn’t change the fact that this drag race does not represent “all” CTR’s and it’s missing the original and probably the best.
Ep3 may look like a "bread van" but it had the most iconic engine of all time in the k20. Whether its racing tuning road car the k20 can do it all with the reliability to boot!
There are so many things I love about CarWow over other car shows, but the drag races aren't one of them. They are so boring, and have little to do with a car's actual performance. A time trial around a track, or a set of challenges (a la old Top Gear) would be much more entertaining and an actual indication of the performance of the car.
I have a fk8, sense it’s the first one I could get in the states. But I like the one Matt was in, the fk2. It be hard to trade mine in for anything but a type r.
Looks so bad i cringe every time when i see it. You'd have to pay me to drive that. All the fake aero is the equivalent of stuffing your underwear with a sock.
An updated one with the FL5! Awesome, I've been waiting for this. However, I'm still a little ticked off by the fact that the EK9 wasn't included. Yes it's definitely way slower than the others, but it still would've been a nice touch. Other than that, this video is perfect. I love it!
Great video of an iconic car. Loving the generation races too. With the Fiesta and Audi TT coming to an end, it would be great to see these icons race between themselves.
FN2 aged very well, and i think it will be considered as one of the greatest designs honda ever made. Doesn't have that cheap plastic tunning look, the newer models have. Too bad it's a bit heavy and slow, but it's NA, the others have turbo. There is a faster MUGEN version. FK2 looks better today, than it looked when it came out, i agree
@@whyalwaysme1106 would be funny to see a FN2 supercharged 300+ bhp versus those new turbo civic R would be really more interesting than a race 200 NA bhp vs 310 turbo bhp , specially in drag race
The front of the FK2 is the best looking of any hatchback ever. The led lights are on supercar/hyper level. Especially when you see one of these in your rear view mirror at night. I don't know how they've gone so backwards.
Exactly! Looked very mature and could have evolved. Over here in the states people complained about the bland design. We didnt have the cool LED, but the FK2 people didnt like the the shape. The FK2 was the sweet spot. The FK8 was not what we wanted, the FL5 kinda reminds me of the FK2 but nothing beats the old Civic headlights.
Fn2 was the only NA Type R officially sold in SA, so it kinda makes sense...back when it was released, it was hated on for many reasons. I've owned my fn2 for 10 years, and it's completely stock, and i still enjoy it every day. There are quite a few fn2s on the road in various modified states these days. Still an awesome car for what it is 👌
@SudleyJ I agree, and it got a bad reputation after Top Gear slated it. But part of that was that they gave the car to Fifth Gear first. More refined than an EP3 but still raw and fun
That German guy can't drive. He didn't know how to use VTEC And don't worry, the FN2 has a massive following in the UK as well. We appreciate that it has the better looks and interior than EP3 although slightly slower but can be modified so easily
i have a FN2 , love this car because it looks pretty modern for a 2006 car , honestly inside , in the EP3 you can clearly see how old he is . I own my car for 8,5 years and still have fun to drive it . I put in a cold air intake and every time the V-tec kicks in it sounds amazing . N/A for ever . And it doesnt matter to me that its the slowest here , i am not a racer and for to have fun on normal roads its more than enough , and more than enough to loose your driving license ...🙂when i want to go really fast i put out my CBR ...
The FN2 driver probably left traction control on, which will slow it off the line, otherwise they normally do 1/4 mile in 15 sec when stock (16.3 was bloody awful here).
@@SpiritBlueFezST to be fair though - none of these cars hit their ideal 1/4 mile time. I've seen all of them do it faster, perhaps just the conditions on the day? It does make sense that the FN2 would be slower given the weight, lower torque figure - and doesn't it also have a lower redline, and a peak power figure higher up in the RPMs as well? Meaning it's got a smaller power band overall. Could be wrong on the last bit there. I'm by no means saying it's a worse car btw, just not as quick as the gen before.
still loved my two ep3s with a cheap and loud exhaust while hitting the rev limiter :) especially loved the independent wheel suspension and my Swiss version had a differential as standard. a perfect fun machine for our Alps here. You could go almost all the time in 2nd gear, with the little vtec screaming. So reliable and so cheap to maintain. ek9 and fd2 are not in the video..sadly.
Nice, I got an ep3 si two months ago. Any advice? I want to put a type r engine (same as type s in USA???) or a k24. It was my first choice as a dream car but got a Prius instead…..I love this car with all my heart!!!
@@michaelramirez4864 unfortunately you guys got a bad engine in the USDM EP3. It might honestly be cheaper to sell it and get an 8th Gen (thats probably the best USDM Si for modification purposes, it got a similar engine to FN2 shown here).
@@SBBUK 100% but we got the rsx/integra type s and a lot of k24s to put in the ep3 but we don't own the car because it's fast, we just love a good Honda hatchback. I hope to do AWD one day too.
Super happy to finally have my own ep3 as well! Remember watching the old civic drag race video & hearing it get praised for how it takes turns, couldnt wait until I was finally old enough to get my hands on one... Cant say much about the other ctr's but I love my ep3 and I love how they all look!
I love how the oldest car here still holds up even today. Out of all the Civic Type R's it's the one I would go for. It's dirt cheap these days, has fully independant suspension all round (unlike it's sucessor) and it's a great undercover pocket rocket because it looks so tame in comparison with all the other models.
@@ArmadaOne you're talking about pocket rocket so gay to your senses and decide. Yeah it's really really big difference between those two suspension on the road. Sheer fact of driving a freaking bread wagon + the fact interior looks like it's from 1891 is a clear sign to steer away from it
@@ultraguy8771 Ek9 yes was only sold to Japan, i dont know about FD2. As for Ek9 i have seen some here in Greece (I think they were Type r and no some shit type r look only.)
I chose the FK2 over FK8 as it had a handbrake and 4 pipes and not poo pipes in the middle. Looks like that was a good decision. Had an Integra Type R before that. No one has ever put Breadvan against DC2 Integra Type R on film - be good to see it added to the mix on one of these
In 10 years the price went up $2,000 ... an increase of 11% And then in the following 13 years the price went up $29,000 ... an increase of 62%!!! Madness
Surprising, I have the fk2 (mapped) and it is epic. I like all of these cars if I’m honest, a really strong lineage. I’d like to see this done with the same driver, same tyres on a circuit.
Mine is standard and I love it . Compared to the newer models it's more raw and definitely a hatch , new ones are more saloons I'd say , don't think I'll trade for a fk8 as I like how rare fk2 is
As a previous owner of 2 EP3 CTRs, I was pleased to see it still held its own. It was always quicker than the FN2 as proved by Top Gear many years ago. Great vid and really enjoyed it, great banter too!
@@CGHDGAMING I timed both when I had them and the fn2 was always ever so slight quicker to 100 mph, most videos on UA-cam also show the fn be atleast equal to the ep3 and most show it to be faster which is the result I got. It’s even been shown on this show to be as fast, the guy in this video can’t drive a manual car.
damn I strongly disagree, it’s not a hideous car but I think it tried so hard to look sporty it will start looking outdated pretty soon. FL5 (2022+) looks a lot more sleek imo
@@LeJunny It does look a little better than the fk8, but, not greatly. But yeah, I'de stick to FK2 model. Also, the FL5 will look outdated too in like 7 years. Pretty much like all cars do as they age.
Didn’t think yianni was coming out in this one 😂 was very surprised to see him . Funny seeing him in a type r and not a lambo🤣 Also only 1 race ?! Should’ve been at least 2 . Good to see Sam as well. Haven’t seen him in a long time either
@@masterwhopper414😂what a waffler. Ep3 only car here with independent rear suspension so technically has better. Also even if it was bad how would that affect the quarter mile times?
@@Goten13 yeah it's not built for drag racing, fl5 improvements to grip, turbo spooling and downforce means it's more noticeable on twisty stuff. Yes it's too expensive but from a personal taste point of view I'd rather walk than be seen in the fk clown cars 🙈😂
@celliott16 clown car , fk2 and fk8 are what jap sports cars are about. Dramatic styling , I'm gutted they agave toned it down wish they didn't listen to the haters
@@alexclarke9648 #facts I'm sry but "maturing" the civic was dumb. The civics were made to be edgy, styling, young and exciting. NOT matute. Get an Accord. And shutup haha
Why would you predict the Fk8 would do bad against the Fl5? It's lighter with the same powerplant. I'm kinda surprised the Fl5 kept up so good with the Fk8! Probably comes down to grip and driver though tbh.
Obviously power to weight ratio plays the major role here . The FN2 Type R is my favorite here. By far the best looking, it has the best 4 cylinder ever made and an amazing chassis. Sure Honda wasn’t able to release the car with 230hp from factory because of European emissions on 2007… but just look at the Mugen version.. 🔥 The potential is ALL THERE. Love my Champ more and more 😍
But then there's the FD2 CTR and its hardcore Mugen version that destroys the FN2 and its versions 😆. Shame it never came to the UK. Here in Asia, the FD2 in any version is an insane car.
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I own a 2003 EP3 Type R. In terms of pace, it just doesn’t compete anymore, but for a little b road source of enjoyment on a sunny day it’s never lost it’s fun factor.
People have told me that you get used to the power if you have a ''fast'' car. So having a car that's fun in the corners will probably stay fun as long as you enjoy driving quick.
and when you put in a cold air intake it sounds awesome also , i own a FN2 with it in and everytime V-tec kicks in i have an eargasm ... :-)
@@hornet9192 agree. Time to put more eargasm to it.
EP3 dont need pace at all, that little car its a piece of art. From a VAG fan, that car, and his k20, was the reason that i got so attached to petrol cars.
Get an exhaust on it. I could beat loads of cars with mine down the twistys
Spoiler: the Honda Civic won.
reported for spoiling
Such a dead comment, everytime.
That was good!😅
😂😂😂
WHYY BROO
Huge improvement Mat the way you drive manual cars. Nailed it buddy
Still preempts and jumps most the starts
DS watcher
He didn't get the FD2R though
@@jonathanng138 FD2R won.
@@robert7622 Mat being always Mat. Always jump started to get him easy drag race wins.
The UFO will forever remain the coolest and best looking Civic. Timeless.
Fugliest one. 😂 lol
It's the worst looking one 😂
@@looneyyang1326nope
@@devanman7920nope
YEP
Just missing the first gen EK9, would’ve loved to see that in this as well.
Exactly
Where’s the EK bro 😂😂 B series
Fd2r also
@@yusyahiranyusli8259 my favorite
and Eg6 as well
16 grand for a brand new hot hatch?
Those were the days. 😭
Adjusted for inflation, £16,000 from 2005 is worth £25,900 now.
Aye. But it was also £2.00 a pint.
@@archechme still not 47k
@@MrJungle123 Yup, and let's not forget average wages haven't been keeping up with inflation either....
@@commanchi7 quite.
happy to see so many people praising the EP3, that’s my favorite Civic ever
Never forget the 2008 Civic also.
ikr the best looking civic there, would of looked better with one big exhaust
Yes
Same here my dream track car until Mat Violated the looks of it
The em1, ej1/2 ep3 and ek9 are my favourites
Fk8 is definitely my personal favorite
same
Shame you didn't have the EK9 & FD2 to really make it every Civic Type R ever made
Those were never sold in the UK, so it's every Type R that was sold here.
I agree and the mugen FN2 or the Mugen RR!! 😢
I was about to ask that but I figured they never got sold over at the UK
@O'Dane Forrester Count in the EF SiR and the EG6 SiR as well, not a Type R, but also not far from being one.
Beat me to it
FK2 all the way drove one for 6 years and 100k one of the best car's I've ever owned, The entire ownership experience was fabulous.
Mirror image with the bread van lol
Hi Yianni! How are you?
mat knew he was going in the faster car yet again hahaha
@@CarswithJD always lol
@@CarswithJD yep. Always in fastest car then jump started it.
WHERE IS THE CIVIC EK??????????????????????????
I own the 2016 fk2 😊 feeling extra happy it's the best ❤️ mapped to 370hp and 500nm
Have you measured the 0-100 and 100-200kmh time? Planing to take mine just to stage 1 ecu they said it will get the same 370hp and 510nm. Do you think it’s worth the upgrade?
It is the ugliest though (sorry, but I just don't like it)
Its just you have bad taste @@lawrencewinter
EP3 was what started my interest in cars 22 years ago, owned it for a good 6 years such a joy to drive god I miss that car
Join the club.. Had mine for 9 yrs from new until it was written off with 133,000 on the clock.. not by me.. it was rear ended in stop traffic.. Went over to the FN2 championship white.. nothing like the EP3 at all.. It's heavier, less raw in vetec, electronic throttle.. hated it.. Had it for 3 years now have a Astra J vxr.. All these years later still comparing the Astra to EP3.. Nothing like raw high revs with the burst of vetec.. coming on song..
Βut which model does sound more aggressive when VTEC kicks in? Maybe the CRX?
I'm a new ep3 type r owner, no regrets so far 😄
@@roboticmonkey437 Same here :)
I still hold the opinion that the EP3 was the best value car ever made. £16K for that car was outstanding and was able to own 2 from new.
Please make more races like this in which you keep going even after the 1/2 mile. Loved it.
they used to race the full mile more often in older videos, but sometimes on faster cars they were running out of space to brake because they were reaching seriously high speeds.
@@manoloorz yes.
They should bring every generation of Evo into the race to see which one is the quickest
As cars get heavier with every new model, an additional power/weight info within your comparison slide would be great in the future. thx
Yep. This Civic apparently 20kgs heavier than 1998 Civic.
Just work it out from the comparison chart. It's not hard bud
@@purwantiallan5089 300-400 kg you meant to say
@@vxsr33 that's like saying: "just google the hp. it's not hard bud"
@@denisdeari1 No it's not. You don't need to google the power to weight ratio. It requires two numbers to calculate, and both are given on the comparison slide. Have you not learned how to divide?
If Top Gear were hosted by Mat, Yanny, and Daniel I would start watching it again ❤️
Bro watch the American version 💀 it's so much better than the British one
FN2 aged very well!
Looks still nicer than many newer cars
It looks shit! And I used to own one.
Looks Pregnant 🤰
@@divscuba7096 so you like to buy cars that "look like shit"? Good for you.
@@audriusbaranauskas6227 lol - in 2007 they looked néw age. They've aged badly.
Mat: I didn’t choose the quickest car
Also mat seconds later: This is the quickest car😂😂
Amazing video. I loved every bit
He chose the one he was confident to win in
what
I love it when you guys do the top speed runs passing 1/2mile, its very interesting, wish youd always do it !
These cars are slow enough to be able to slow down by the end of the runway lol.
@@nimaside well in that case it shouldn’t matter how fast the car can go, it should be how fast the cars can brake.
@@nimaside The Latest Type Rs FK8 & FL5 are very fast cars, they are boosted quick with the Earth Dream's VTEC Turbo technology
@@KingOfEden12nah. How well they go around twisties is better.
I think they were killing too many birds lol
Had an Ep3 for about 10 years, as my winter daily driver. Sad to have to part ways but rust was taking hold and the prices for these was climbing.
Fn2 looks sick, especially in white, the mugen one with the silver tips looks awesome too
Never forget Spoon Civic too.
Yeah, I reckon FN2 actually age well on considering it still have aggressive looks not not overly stylise than most modern cars. Interior may be look plain by modern standards, but that curved big 3D style dash on the bottom still unique and if it's a full LCD, it could look modern. FK8 may be the one look dated in the future since Honda is now going for more subdued and mature looks. Though FK8 will be unique over stylise car in the future for sure.
I’d love to see every MX-5 generation, it’d be interesting since they haven’t changed too much since the original
This I would love to see
That's a lot of gay people and women driving
Sorry, but FD2???
Throw in the latest 124 Spider for fun 😁
Yea they did they got uglier
You got every generation Civic Type R except the EK9 😂
First thing I noticed when he said 'every' generation of civic type R. Only thing I can think of it was only released in Japan. Would have loved to have seen that in the line up. 😎
and FD2R
also no FD2
@@squareblueorange Yup every generation Civic Type R sold in Europe.
FK2 all day long for me
Insane jump from the FN2 to the FK2 in terms of power. Like massive from 201 HP to 310 HP, like wow. Guess that's what turbocharged engines give you.
Yeah and only like 2 second difference...compared to a 20 year old NA.
@K20XRLdoesn't even need cams, mines 228 on Dyno with an air filter, exhaust manifold, resonated exhaust system + Mapped in.
@K20XRL yeah thats true, I think my next Mods are gonna be an RRC intake Manifold and a 74mm throttle body. The standard RAC manifold is supposedly quite restrictive for it. (May have got the manifolds the wrong way round, I often do)
@K20XRL That's likely what I'll do then, get it mapped in again and then leave it at that. I don't need more power than that.
@@NoGGy 2 seconds is huge over a quarter mile 😂
Honestly I'm a big fan of the FN2 (spaceship one). i love the styling and the fact that it's the last 3-door civic type r and naturally aspirated. That plus that it's not that heavy makes it my pick despite the outright speed disadvantage.
I used to own an FN2 before I bought my FK8 and while I love my FK8 I also have a soft spot for the older FN2, something really special about it, has so much character and handles superbly. Type R's where never about 0-60 times anyways
Hab einen FN2 in schwarz . Hab mich damals grade wegen der Optik gegen den EP3 entschieden . Der optische Unterschied innen und außen ist krass , beim EP3 sieht man das er alt ist , beim FN2 nicht .
that's why I bought a 2010 FN2 Type R, I loved the EG so FN2 was an upgrade for me. And I want to enjoy the NA character as long as possible. 😢
Very true and the interior in the FN2 looks was years ahead of any car of its time and still looks funky now. I have a GT one with the cruise control and all the extra climate control etc and it even has speech control in it. And let's not forget the seats If it wasn't for the FN2 as the grandad, it's grandchildren wouldn't have these features. Plus what they didn't clearly show was the sound of the VTech in the older cars beats any other newer ones. I've driven them all and they're yawnville compared with the sound. Just a slight mod on the FN2 you get so much more power for the money. The later ones. Yes, they have the turbo power and are very quick but you can't use it anywhere on our British roads anyway. 200 horsepower is plenty to have fun, especially on the back roads.
@@hornet9192 So true! I have the same black Fn2 GT and it puts a massive smile on my face everyday
Contrary to Mat's opinion, I think the Fn2 has aged the best! Sharp looking thing for an ~18 year old design, without any of the fussiness of it's successors. The EP3 is iconic and brilliant, but it looks like a van.
Civic FN2 is the ugliest IMHO, as for me the most beautiful of the classics are EK9 and FD2
But unfortunately both were not in this video
fn2 is the ugliest
I love how they look, beautiful :)
For me the best is the fk8
Honestly, I loved my FN2 and I would recommend it.. especially for cornering
How? It has a rare beam not good for cornering
Matt you .. 🪨😜😝🤪😂😅
I love you more than anything else l done
Doing it every time
Best best best best best UA-camr ever see I love you
@@Moazz786 I would say that's somewhat of a myth. It was probably used as it's cheaper to engineer and build but in a competitive setting (there are many races on youtube with FN2, EP3 and other hondas competing) it doesn't seem to make any real difference.
Would really like to own one of each! I simply love civic! Honda is the best!
Matt had the advantage going in because he has actually owned the car he drove, right? For me, the manual transmission cars I've owned, you really become one with the clutch and shifter over the years. So I can see how Matt's familiarity with that car gave him such a great launch. Well done.
EDIT: And your hand brake work too there Matt. Lol.
Love my EP3 had mine since June 2020, 137k for £3500 1 owner from new. Loved it, spent a lot of money and could spend double again and not be satisfied. Sitting at 153k and still sings away to 8600rpm. Such easy cars to work on I've self taught myself a lot of mechanical and service work all because of Honda's especially the older generations, would have been good if you could have got an EK9 in the mix too!
Looks-wise, the FN2 is my favorite; love the styling details. All are awesome though.
Bro.. what? That thing is unironically absolutely hideous. Like genuinely ugly as fuck lol
For me the FK8 🔥
It's such a beast on the road, especially it's size & the Claw LED rear lights, just looks so good in the night 🖤🖤
Agreed. The EP3 is ugly and the ones after the FN2 are way too over styled.
I have a FK1, and I think the FN2 is the worst dynamically, but might be the more spacious one. The boot is huge. I think it could be the more "dad has responsibilities but also wants some fun every now and then" car 🤣🤣
@@Caronte4116 the boot is indeed huge; my gf had an FN2 and picked up a shower plate (whatever it's called, the plate/slate thing you stand on in the shower) in it... I think it's like 150cm long and people in the car park were watching her loading it into her Civic... ; she also doesn't like the over-the-top winged look of the newer models
i love my Fn2 even after this video! and then I prefer the naturally aspirated engine ♥️
its wierd that the fk2 and fn2 are the same except one denotes the 5door and 2 door but theres also an fn2 and fk2 for both years, ive got the fk2 sport 2006 but ive got to say the accelleration to me atleast on video didnt seem as responsive as in real life. could just be the comparison but seemed much more sluggish than normal.
Not a soft limiter on the NA civics. It's the non VTEC cam lobe. VTEC requires wheel speed and oil pressures etc etc to engage. The small lobe isn't designed for revs so the ignition system is cutting out of the power for that lobe.
I think it's deliberate as a soft limiter as the EK series does not have it. They can rev to their rev limits in neutral.
@@dew3163 ek series ef series the dc2 etc. Didn't have it happen as they were VTEC not i-vtec
hold down the brake pedal and it will rev to red line . thank me later
Correct 👍
@@christrees664 yep. Prelude also has VTec.
"So then what exactly happened?"
Well, the Type R won..
40 years ago, that's insane
Honda really dominated this drag race
@@adiclasbendtner more like 32 years ago.
@@PalpatinesPlumber yep. Thats because they are all Hondas.
Talk about V-Tec
I love my FK2, and this video makes me not regret my choice for getting it and not waiting for the newer ones - I way prefer the style and look of the FK2, so to see it perform fairly evenly with the two newer models, makes me happy
R-02491 FK2 owner in Championship white here. Love it!!
@@J88HNT Nice! Mine's a black GT, brings me so much joy
@The Hemwick Hag You mad? Best looking Civic imho
@The Hemwick Hag As does yours 😂
@The Hemwick Hag Is your fact based on "Trust me bro!!"? LOL
I learned manual just to get the FK8. I'm saving up now for it. Such an amazing looking car with great specs. Sad that America didn't get the other years, especially the FK2.
I'm learning manual and saving up for an FK8 too! 🙂
A used FK2 is literally the best one for value. I’ve had a couple EP3s and FN2s and god there good 😊
I’ve owned an EK9, EP3 and FN2. Now in an FK2 and it’s out of this world.
@@J88HNT Time for an FK-8 next 🖤
FK2 will keep its value and hopefully shoot up in price, future classic if not already
Love the generation races! Keep them up Matt!!
Mat, Yianni, Sam and Daniel, the best group of drivers in a Carwow drag race!
Yep. So far so good.
Daniel? You have to be joking ? He’s in a drag race with a fwd car and he didn’t even think to turn the traction control off (vsa in fn2 model)
Daniel is nuts. We Germans dont like him.
Yianni is okay. We Germans tolerate him.
Matt is good. We Germans like him.
I had an EP3 exactly like that one, what a great car. I was 20 when I got it, had it for 3 years and still miss it to this day. I’ll never forget the sadness I felt trading it in 🤣🤣 usually you are excited getting a new car. Not that day. I have an FK2 black edition now and have zero plans on ever getting rid of it. So much fun.
The older it gets the more I love and want an ep3. Raw, basic, simple no nonsense car to make you happy.
They are pretty great and fun, light and tossable - I love where the shifter is located on the dash. Had one for about 5 years!
Get one now as they're just starting to appreciate in value. Never getting rid of mine.
@@VersanGetryx isn't the shifter on the dash uncomfortable?
@@theweeknd2725 Nope, you get used to it real quick! It ends up being really close to your hand and actually closer than reaching down.
Ep3 is by far the best looking and most engaging car there! Fact.
1990s-early 2000s was peak Honda, period
@@jc_so_riyl straight facts
Βut which model does sound more aggressive when VTEC kicks in?
Most engaging yes, erm looks. It's a odd looking small van and the interior is made out of recycled coke bottles
True, but I prefer the EK Type R
The EP3 was not the first Civic Type R. The EK9 was. It may be JDM only, but it was still the first and it would have been good to have one in this video.
This is european domestic market. Ek9 and Fd2 was jdm
@@nawwalzaharan3651 I know ithe EK9 is JDM only. I wrote that in my comment mate. It doesn’t change the fact that this drag race does not represent “all” CTR’s and it’s missing the original and probably the best.
@@nathanisgreen i got an EK and was so disapointted. Video was great just why no EK :(
@@nathanisgreen sorry i was sad to own an FD and not to be included in the video.
@@korios7825 yep. The best ever CIVIC doesnt appear. So did Spoon Civic Type R and Civic 3Door 1995.
EP3 & FK2 look the best BY FAR
(I actually like the FN2 as well😂)
Awesome video, Matt and crew. I love the videos with the same models of different year ranges, especially the Honda stuff. 👏
Ep3 may look like a "bread van" but it had the most iconic engine of all time in the k20. Whether its racing tuning road car the k20 can do it all with the reliability to boot!
Mat never fails to wow us with all these reviews, drag races and videos!
Agreed. But Mat always drive in fastest car then jump started it.
There are so many things I love about CarWow over other car shows, but the drag races aren't one of them. They are so boring, and have little to do with a car's actual performance. A time trial around a track, or a set of challenges (a la old Top Gear) would be much more entertaining and an actual indication of the performance of the car.
@@a_single_white_female these two comments above you are both bots.👆
I have a fk8, sense it’s the first one I could get in the states. But I like the one Matt was in, the fk2.
It be hard to trade mine in for anything but a type r.
that FK2 looks absolutely incredible
Spoon Civic also.
Looks so bad i cringe every time when i see it. You'd have to pay me to drive that. All the fake aero is the equivalent of stuffing your underwear with a sock.
@@MuppetsSh0whow is it fake lmao
Just plane ugly to me and my mates…Worst looking of all 6 versions
I literally had that exact spec FK2 Type R. It was such a beast! God, I miss it Haha
Missing the EK9 and FD2R legends!!!
The FN2 and FK2 really look nice.
An updated one with the FL5! Awesome, I've been waiting for this. However, I'm still a little ticked off by the fact that the EK9 wasn't included. Yes it's definitely way slower than the others, but it still would've been a nice touch.
Other than that, this video is perfect. I love it!
Not to forget the fd type R
JDM import though least these are the ones that was released here
Feel like the ek9 would beat the fn2 to the 1/4 mile just due to the weight and gearing.. most iconic civic type r and they didn't include it
@@charliedickens7244 Fr.
@@afiffauzi8112 fd2 is nice but for this race let's just use the hatchbacks.
Great video of an iconic car. Loving the generation races too. With the Fiesta and Audi TT coming to an end, it would be great to see these icons race between themselves.
FN2 aged very well, and i think it will be considered as one of the greatest designs honda ever made. Doesn't have that cheap plastic tunning look, the newer models have. Too bad it's a bit heavy and slow, but it's NA, the others have turbo. There is a faster MUGEN version. FK2 looks better today, than it looked when it came out, i agree
Its a shame the driver in this video left traction on. He lost all his time 😮
@@zaidonthemoon144 it doesn’t matter, a lot of drag race has proved that fn2 is the slowest everytime
@@whyalwaysme1106 would be funny to see a FN2 supercharged 300+ bhp versus those new turbo civic R would be really more interesting than a race 200 NA bhp vs 310 turbo bhp , specially in drag race
Red one the best looking by a mile
The front of the FK2 is the best looking of any hatchback ever. The led lights are on supercar/hyper level. Especially when you see one of these in your rear view mirror at night. I don't know how they've gone so backwards.
Exactly! Looked very mature and could have evolved. Over here in the states people complained about the bland design. We didnt have the cool LED, but the FK2 people didnt like the the shape. The FK2 was the sweet spot. The FK8 was not what we wanted, the FL5 kinda reminds me of the FK2 but nothing beats the old Civic headlights.
I’ve owned an EK9, EP3 and FN2. Now in an FK2 and it’s out of this world. It looks the best for sure.
I have a fk8 wanna get a fk2 for how raw it is
I think alot of the viewers from South Africa 🇿🇦 felt hurt by this one... the fn2 has a CRAZY huge following this side. Awesome stuff nonetheless 🤙
Fn2's always lose at Killarney tho we use to these results
The FN2 is a great car. Its just not got the following the other's have
Fn2 was the only NA Type R officially sold in SA, so it kinda makes sense...back when it was released, it was hated on for many reasons. I've owned my fn2 for 10 years, and it's completely stock, and i still enjoy it every day. There are quite a few fn2s on the road in various modified states these days. Still an awesome car for what it is 👌
@SudleyJ I agree, and it got a bad reputation after Top Gear slated it. But part of that was that they gave the car to Fifth Gear first. More refined than an EP3 but still raw and fun
That German guy can't drive. He didn't know how to use VTEC And don't worry, the FN2 has a massive following in the UK as well. We appreciate that it has the better looks and interior than EP3 although slightly slower but can be modified so easily
The Ep3 is my favourite i have had the pleasure to have owned 2 of them one was a premier edition with the red bucket seats.
Yes been waiting for this show off for years 👍 I had the 2010 model with the triangle pipes looks the best 👌
i have a FN2 , love this car because it looks pretty modern for a 2006 car , honestly inside , in the EP3 you can clearly see how old he is . I own my car for 8,5 years and still have fun to drive it . I put in a cold air intake and every time the V-tec kicks in it sounds amazing . N/A for ever . And it doesnt matter to me that its the slowest here , i am not a racer and for to have fun on normal roads its more than enough , and more than enough to loose your driving license ...🙂when i want to go really fast i put out my CBR ...
The FN2 driver probably left traction control on, which will slow it off the line, otherwise they normally do 1/4 mile in 15 sec when stock (16.3 was bloody awful here).
@@SpiritBlueFezST to be fair though - none of these cars hit their ideal 1/4 mile time. I've seen all of them do it faster, perhaps just the conditions on the day?
It does make sense that the FN2 would be slower given the weight, lower torque figure - and doesn't it also have a lower redline, and a peak power figure higher up in the RPMs as well? Meaning it's got a smaller power band overall. Could be wrong on the last bit there. I'm by no means saying it's a worse car btw, just not as quick as the gen before.
@@SpiritBlueFezST yes he did say TC cut power :/
@@SpiritBlueFezST but fn2 will still be the last I’m this race
Which cbr? 😏 coz I have one myself too
Massive fan of the Civic gen 9 that FK2 is just awesome 💯
I still like the way the FN2 looks, its from the good old days 😋 But the FK2 probably looks the best 🤷♂ Go Mat! Manual shifting WHOOO!
I just part ex my FN2 for an FK2. The FN2 is an aesthetically beautiful car and the engine makes the most perfect sound.
This video is nothing without the legendary first Type R!
The Civic gen. 6 EK9 Type R!
The bread van thing got me 😂😂
Been thinking the same for years
For me since 2020.
still loved my two ep3s with a cheap and loud exhaust while hitting the rev limiter :)
especially loved the independent wheel suspension and my Swiss version had a differential as standard.
a perfect fun machine for our Alps here. You could go almost all the time in 2nd gear, with the little vtec screaming.
So reliable and so cheap to maintain.
ek9 and fd2 are not in the video..sadly.
Nice, I got an ep3 si two months ago. Any advice? I want to put a type r engine (same as type s in USA???) or a k24. It was my first choice as a dream car but got a Prius instead…..I love this car with all my heart!!!
I'm looking at getting an ep3. Nicest type r in my opinion
@@michaelramirez4864 unfortunately you guys got a bad engine in the USDM EP3. It might honestly be cheaper to sell it and get an 8th Gen (thats probably the best USDM Si for modification purposes, it got a similar engine to FN2 shown here).
@@SBBUK 100% but we got the rsx/integra type s and a lot of k24s to put in the ep3 but we don't own the car because it's fast, we just love a good Honda hatchback. I hope to do AWD one day too.
Super happy to finally have my own ep3 as well! Remember watching the old civic drag race video & hearing it get praised for how it takes turns, couldnt wait until I was finally old enough to get my hands on one... Cant say much about the other ctr's but I love my ep3 and I love how they all look!
Yiannis face when revving the FK8 has me knocked out 😂😂😂😂
Mat. Pleeease try to do an ultimate 80s hot hatch drag race. Renault 5 GT Turbo ,205 1.9 GTI, RS Turbo Escort,Astra GTE 16v, Golf GTI, MG Maestro Turbo etc ect
That FK2 really has aged well. Very cool.
The EP3 still is my favorite one
Aqui no Brasil é a primeira vez que a Honda comercializa o Type R… foi paixão a primeira vista! Já garanti o meu! 🙏
That FK2 is looking like great value
Wish there was an EK in that lineup such to really sazz up the race
EP3 looks so slick 👍
EP3 despite only 197bhp still as amazing as ever...
I love how the oldest car here still holds up even today.
Out of all the Civic Type R's it's the one I would go for.
It's dirt cheap these days, has fully independant suspension all round (unlike it's sucessor) and it's a great undercover pocket rocket because it looks so tame in comparison with all the other models.
They’re all raced and rotten underneath tho
Delusional about rear suspension, Fn2 is quicker around track than ep3 😂
@@micekkc Yes because we all drive a Civic on a race track, never on actual roads where suspension matters.
Talk about being delusional.
@@ArmadaOne you're talking about pocket rocket so gay to your senses and decide. Yeah it's really really big difference between those two suspension on the road. Sheer fact of driving a freaking bread wagon + the fact interior looks like it's from 1891 is a clear sign to steer away from it
@@ArmadaOne *get instead of gay 😂
Missing the EK9 and FD2
Those were JDM only, weren't they? Prolly hard to find in the UK.
@@ultraguy8771 Ek9 yes was only sold to Japan, i dont know about FD2. As for Ek9 i have seen some here in Greece (I think they were Type r and no some shit type r look only.)
@@taxissch.4204EK9 is only exclusive to East Asian and South East Asian only.
The old guy in the FK8 didn't seem to be as miserable as he usually is, well done for lightening up
The 2023 Civic Type R is still the 2nd best.
@@purwantiallan5089 and Omega is still better than Rolex, but don't tell everybody
I love the ep 3 it's got go cart handling and a buzz to drive
Bro i knew you wrre gonna have this video man. Such a reliable guy 🫡🙌
The generetion Mat was in , is the best they produced i think ,great race guys . 💪🏼
Matt nailed those drag races.
And the ugliest.
Mat, Yanni, Sam and the german guy is the greatest driver lineup since the old Top Gear. Pure entertainment🙏🏽
I chose the FK2 over FK8 as it had a handbrake and 4 pipes and not poo pipes in the middle. Looks like that was a good decision. Had an Integra Type R before that. No one has ever put Breadvan against DC2 Integra Type R on film - be good to see it added to the mix on one of these
I’ve owned an EK9, EP3 and FN2. Now in an FK2 and it’s out of this world. Love it and chose it over the FK8
Had a choice of FK2 or the FK8 , I bought the FK2 after test driving both, never looked back : now that's a true hot hatch
In 10 years the price went up $2,000 ... an increase of 11%
And then in the following 13 years the price went up $29,000 ... an increase of 62%!!!
Madness
Surprising, I have the fk2 (mapped) and it is epic. I like all of these cars if I’m honest, a really strong lineage. I’d like to see this done with the same driver, same tyres on a circuit.
Mine is standard and I love it . Compared to the newer models it's more raw and definitely a hatch , new ones are more saloons I'd say , don't think I'll trade for a fk8 as I like how rare fk2 is
@@alexclarke9648 totally, and it’ll hold value. What you get for the money insane, after a remap mines 370hp and 500nm it’s a different beast.
you missed out some of the civic generations. redo this video with ALL the generations
fd2 would of been 4th and ek9 5th or 6th does that help
I'm sure it's all the type rs released in the UK
As a previous owner of 2 EP3 CTRs, I was pleased to see it still held its own. It was always quicker than the FN2 as proved by Top Gear many years ago. Great vid and really enjoyed it, great banter too!
It was never faster than the fn2, the guy here just couldn’t drive.
@@gumpy4960 it's always been faster Ive best every fn2 I've raced in my ep3
@@CGHDGAMING I timed both when I had them and the fn2 was always ever so slight quicker to 100 mph, most videos on UA-cam also show the fn be atleast equal to the ep3 and most show it to be faster which is the result I got. It’s even been shown on this show to be as fast, the guy in this video can’t drive a manual car.
They're pretty much identical performance and handling wise,one is just raw and the other has some creature comforts.
The EP3 was slower around the Nordschleife
It may seems quicker because the VTEC kick was more brutal but actually it's not
As somebody who wants to get an FK2 Type R, this is awesome!
Daniel really launched the FN2 with Traction control on...
😅
He's useless, and his commentary never helped
For me, the best looking type R, is the 2015 version. It looks just awesome!
damn I strongly disagree, it’s not a hideous car but I think it tried so hard to look sporty it will start looking outdated pretty soon. FL5 (2022+) looks a lot more sleek imo
@@LeJunny It does look a little better than the fk8, but, not greatly. But yeah, I'de stick to FK2 model. Also, the FL5 will look outdated too in like 7 years. Pretty much like all cars do as they age.
@@Aatish2k8 Honda has made some timeless machines, first gen NSX is still one of the most eye catching vehicles
@@LeJunny oh yeah, now that's a sexy car.
This is the best drag race in car wow so far already
Didn’t think yianni was coming out in this one 😂 was very surprised to see him . Funny seeing him in a type r and not a lambo🤣
Also only 1 race ?! Should’ve been at least 2 .
Good to see Sam as well. Haven’t seen him in a long time either
Very similar race can be done with Ford Focus- take ST and RS from each generation! This could be very interesting ❤
Yes this would be great and with the Astra VXR/ OPC too.
Yanni and Mat should make a podcast together. Best car review duo ever!
We needed this 🔥😂
Yes. A lot more hopefully.
I found myself legitimately saying 'F**k off!' When he called the ep3 the bread van 😂
Would love to see a race between a turbo charged EP3 vs the new FL5!
FL5 would still win. EP3 suspension is dogshit
@@masterwhopper414😂what a waffler. Ep3 only car here with independent rear suspension so technically has better. Also even if it was bad how would that affect the quarter mile times?
@@HondaEnjoyer12 are you fucking stupid? All cars here have independent rear suspension
Can’t go wrong with either Type R’s. Really surprised by the fk8 and especially the fk2 compared to how well it did to the new fl5. Great work 👍🏽
Yea. FL5 not worth its price tag over FK8 IMO. Or for that matter the FK2 now that I've seen this lol.
@@Goten13 yeah it's not built for drag racing, fl5 improvements to grip, turbo spooling and downforce means it's more noticeable on twisty stuff. Yes it's too expensive but from a personal taste point of view I'd rather walk than be seen in the fk clown cars 🙈😂
@celliott16 clown car , fk2 and fk8 are what jap sports cars are about. Dramatic styling , I'm gutted they agave toned it down wish they didn't listen to the haters
@@alexclarke9648 #facts I'm sry but "maturing" the civic was dumb. The civics were made to be edgy, styling, young and exciting. NOT matute. Get an Accord. And shutup haha
Why would you predict the Fk8 would do bad against the Fl5? It's lighter with the same powerplant. I'm kinda surprised the Fl5 kept up so good with the Fk8! Probably comes down to grip and driver though tbh.
Obviously power to weight ratio plays the major role here .
The FN2 Type R is my favorite here.
By far the best looking, it has the best 4 cylinder ever made and an amazing chassis.
Sure Honda wasn’t able to release the car with 230hp from factory because of European emissions on 2007… but just look at the Mugen version.. 🔥
The potential is ALL THERE.
Love my Champ more and more 😍
the K20A2 out of the EP3 is the better motor tbh. way better power curve which is why it pulls ahead of the FN2 quite easily
Why does it look so Pregnant tho 🤔🤰🤰🤰
But then there's the FD2 CTR and its hardcore Mugen version that destroys the FN2 and its versions 😆. Shame it never came to the UK. Here in Asia, the FD2 in any version is an insane car.
I was gonna say, it's a crime we never got the FD2 type R, we only got the hybrid version of that.
@@niToitsyeSkxawng It does not pull away from the ep3. its the opposite. I own both.
Absolutely hilarious drag race....😅
FK2 for me