This is kind of the basic flaw of all of Preston's theories and approach to reading the text. Every major decision is made because somehow people are being manipulated or controlled either by mundane or supernatural means. There's no room for anyone to actually express agency of their own.
@@SupposeIRose I think he more just raises the possibility then assesses how plausible it is. The fact is we have zero concrete evidence that any mind control is happening but a buttload of circumstantial evidence that means we have to concede (at least) the possibility that it is. That's not to say every seemingly out of character action is due to psychic manipulation, but rather that GRRM has set up a situation where we can reasonably question whether it's in play or not.
It's fitting for Sam. Personally, I don't believe the story Sam tells Jon about Randyll. Sam could have left the Wall as soon as Randyll's guards disappeared UNLESS there was another reason he was at the Wall. One that would have, say, weakened House Tarly if it became general knowledge. We know Sam had done things like that in the past (what happened at the Arbor with Horas and Hobber, when Sam was supposed to squire there)
I think of these influences as more "an idea popping in your head" than "mind control". Like sam has the idea pop into his head to advocate for Jon and vice versa, but they needed to be who they are to actually follow through
As someone who's been called crazy for years, I'm just happy that "time travelling Bran manipulation" is now such an obvious truth that it's become a lazy, uniteresting way to explain things.
I'm a big fan of the time traveling Bran theory as well, but I also think it's kind of unnecessary. Mostly everything you could potentially credit to a time traveling Bran could just as easily be manipulation from Bloodraven.
@@TizOnly1 Does he? As far as I knew he never made a definitive statement one way or the other, and he also tells bran that he had visited him in his dreams.
@@hanspennyloaf335 why limit it to one or the other, we dont know how far their relationship goes, blood raven may even teach bran how to time travel to further his own goals
Old posts but I think GRRM mostly knows this too. With how the show turned out its likely 100% changed and the three eyed crow is definitely a trickster now. Old Nan said it verbatim in the first book "crows are all liars." It perfectly displays the turn cloaks in the Watch against Jon and opens up a literal interpretation with Bran shouldn't be trusting the crow at all. Bran will still time travel but its gonna come at a cost. It's likely an old agent of the Heart of Winter deceiving magically/telepathically sensitive individuals for eons.
W/r/t Sam's "sudden" courage: Yeah, he likes and trusts Grenn and Pyp, but they're his equals. The candidates wouldn't care about Pyp's opinion, so why should they care about Sam's? But Maester Aemon, well, that's a different story. Sam looks up to Aemon, he's been the father Sam never had, kind and wise and honest. If he, of all people, trusts that Sam will do what is right for the Watch, trusts that Sam can _choose_ what is right for the Watch, well. That's a pretty major confidence booster right there.
Good point. I'm not sure I buy into mental manipulation being the impetus for all character change. I'm new to that theory and can accept it may happen to some of the people, some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. And there may a mix of mental suggestion by magical means along with normal human triggers. Obviously, this is fantasy and magic does happen, but I hate to ascribe all changes in character are driven by it. Pretty interesting stuff to ponder.
I really wanted more maester aemon once it was revealed hes aerys bro and targ my gods what!?!? Maesters to the castle but wall to lord commander?? Love some dude from bayonne has the world enraptured.
I really dislike the point that "Sam said he was too craven yesterday, but now he's brave? How does that add up?" Sam underrating his own bravery and not recognising it when he shows it is both a cornerstone of his whole character arc and a repeated theme of the whole work, even getting a thesis statement from Ned in the very first chapter! Sam downplays the bravery he showed by *killing an Other* because he happened to feel fear while doing it. Him saying he's too craven to stand up to Mallister and Pyke is essentially just him saying he wants to do it, but it scares him. That's hardly an inconsistency; after he does it, guess what? He's still scared and surprised at himself, just like he's *always* surprised when he succeeds at doing scary things. Explaining that particular character moment away as psychic manipulation rather cheapens his development, even if there is some more indirect magic pulling strings in the background.
@@johnnye87 I agree. I’ve always felt that Samwell displays bravery on a fairly regular basis. He’s beaten down in the yard and resigns to get back up (he never tries to flee). He stay’s in Craster’s Keep during the mutiny and murder (although that could be shock paralysing him) and well, he kills an other to defend Gilly - there’s no getting around that one; he looked death in the eye and as it turned to take her, he didn’t run, he stabbed it in the neck. He has certain characters that bring back memories of his father’s abuse (Jeor Mormont for example, whose interactions with Sam often render him a stuttering mess), but he’s persistent. It harkens back to Ned’s lesson to Bran about the nature of bravery: one can only be brave when one is scared. Plus, Sam’s a Tarly. He might not be Savage Samwell Tarly, but he *is* Sam the Slayer..
In real life, ravens do show a primitive culture. Ravens that are mistreated by a certain person teach others to avoid that person. Ravens that are fed by another person teach others to go to that other person. Besides they are very smart. Maybe "Snow" is a primitive meme. They know that they'll receive a treat if they learn to say snow, because they saw the others being treated as well, so they learned to say snow.
In the beginning when you argue that Sam is both a craven and brave and implying that being brave is not like him seems off to me. Sam's journey is about self-confidence in a way, and even though he was a craven most of his life, and therefore why he still thinks he is one, he's not at this point in the story. It's normal to fear, and Sam thinks that fear means you are craven, which is false. And Aemon's question pushed him to act.
It's not just Aemon's question, it's Aemon's refusal to help. Sam didn't act before because he still thought he could pass the task off to someone else. He only acted once he realized he was the only one who could, which is exactly how a good hearted craven would act.
Ravens can teach each other a lot of things. I read that a raven needed to be removed from an experiment before he taught the others how to break the test. During one summer ravens found out how to remove the livers from toads through their mouths, people found out about this because toads were apparently exploding on mass due to their livers being removed by ravens. Ravens actually naturally conspire together and the name for a group is very fitting.
Ravens are exceptionally smart. They can recognize human facial identities to an extent better than most humans and may be one of the few non-human animals to have some type of proto-language. And yes, they can very well teach each other things. One example is a college study in which masked individuals antagonized ravens on campus. The raven avoided people in those specific masks and not masks in general. Later generations of ravens were taught to fear those masks and ravens across the city knew to avoid them as well. The ravens somehow communicated the specific features of those masks to other ravens that had not encountered them as dangers. Ravens can also memorize human patterns like timed schedules and associate people with specific property. It makes sense for the Westerosi to use them for communication.
It is known. Ravens are corvids, and along with their unusual intelligence, they also have interesting social patterns. They mate for life, and they often continue to live in cooperative family groups even after their children are grown, or younger family members who leave their parents’ territory will return to help their parents prepare for the nesting and mating season. Also, I read somewhere that corvidae are the only creatures (aside from humans) who have recreational sex. I can’t find the citation now, and a quick web search didn’t turn anything up-but regardless, their social interactions are really complex. They also have fantastic sight, and they quickly learn to differentiate between human faces and then somehow pass on that information to all the other corvidae in their territory-and that’s why I think they’re especially well suited for communication.
It was obviously done by frozen mermen within the wall, who are - obviously - also Targaryens, which explains why they are still alive, after being frozen for so long. How did they get there you ask? Simple: It was all part of Varys' plan to return Aegon to the throne, who is actually the rogue prince *cue the music* reborn and also Quaithe, Euron and the prince who was promised. He told a time traveling Bran to control the white walkers in the past to erect the wall with them in it, so he could use the moon to influence sweet robin, so he would poison Jeoffrey and Tywin. All he had to do was hire a faceless man to disguise himself as the mountain - which will all be revealed when Cleganebowl finally arrives - so he could steal all of Tyrion's books, which contain the secret to forging Valerian steel using only a jackass and a honey-comb.
@LeadFaun But Stannis could be influential in a way, to some crows at the Wall. That's why i didn't exclude him. Anyhow, my point is there are not a lot of brothers supporting the kid. Rightly so.
@@christiancristof491 Anyone who heard about him taking command of the wall and repelling Mance rayder's attacks or him warning castle black that the thenns were trying to come from the south. If I heard a sixteen year old with a handful of cripples, recruits, and people form molestown was able to repell an army with giants, chariots, and more I'd give some serious thought to that. 16 in a medieval society is an adult, and him being young is a benefit to the nights watch as most brothers see it.
I prefer the idea that it is character growth for Sam and not mind control. He wanted to talk with these guys but was afraid and then decided to do it anyway. And it feels totally believable to me that he wouldn't be pressured into it by his friends directly but nudged by Aemon who he looks up to.
David Bodor mental influence maybe? Also heh size. Kinda related to that, White guys dressed in black being forced to think about hard black sausage that they'd want to nibble on. Grrm kids
I really think Sam's "sudden change in character" isn't really all that sudden. Same has gradually become more courageous as he's faced more troubles. The characters in a book can't stay the same when such big events impact them.
Thorne put Mormonts raven in the kettle. He thought it would say Corn (thorne) But instead it never. He figured that could sway the thoughts of the watch.
"Dirk had horse meat in his hand and yet he's fantasizing about Craster's rock-hard sausage" may be the single dirtiest joke I have heard on the Internet.
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15:05 Preston: I'll cut to the chase. Me: OH BOY HERE WE GO. Preston: Mormont's raven can absolutely alter people's minds. Me: 😩👌👌💯🔥 WHY YES OF COURSE. GOOD SHIT.
Daniel Zaidan its a possibly. i think there are numerous implications in this. collusion with BL is just one out of a handful of very possible scenarios. with what we know, it is very likely there is a network of individuals acting behind the scenes manipulating various key events in the story.
It would be un-GGRM-likely to have a perfectly good Varys. And it would also be unlinke him for the over-the-Wall characters to be overly-bad. And since there's a chance Varys and Bloodraven are using blood advantages...
Finally someone fully adresses the perplexing birds appearing throughout the books. I always had suspicions of their intent and/or possible master's intent.
I noticed something in this video. The ravens spoke with the voice of Stannis. We need a series exploring the Stannis/Raven connection. I for one think it has something to do with the real reason the Wise Masters Zhak and Merreq planned to leave Meereen.
Sam's change of mind, i think was a combination of the smile giving him a gentle push giving him control of his choice and him using gilly to help himself find some more courage and confidence
I've been looking forward to the next episode of this series for so long now. I hope you get the time to throw a new one out there soon. Keep up the good work @prestonjacobs
About Sam's sudden courage, I believe it was a mix of necessity, fear, determination, Aemon's prep talk and rage for all the shit he and Jon have gone through and do not deserve. The most powerfull ingredient is necessity though. That condition can move mountains.
Agreed. I don't know how the human condition slipped Preston's mind. I totally agree with him that there are far too many "coincidences" in the story for there to *not* be external manipulation, though what you've outlined shouldn't be discounted in certain individual circumstances.
I love your theories and breakdowns, but this is a bit much for me. It would turn a fantasy series with politic leanings into a conspiracy series with fantasy leanings. Isn't more likely that once people heard Mallister and Pyke were backing Jon, more of the swing votes decided he was a better choice as well? And isn't Sam talking with Mallister and Pyke mostly from self interest? Doesn't Sam know that his life and Gilly's are better off with Jon in charge than Slynt?
PJ is the guy who thinks Quentyn's still alive and that Penny is a spy for Littlefinger, the guy who thinks having small tits correlates with being a warg, the guy who thinks each and every character in this series is either secretly a skinchanger, secretly a Targaryen or secretly a mastermind manipulator. Your well-reasoned and sensible argumentation has no power here.
Hurr hurr insert joke about fantasizing about Craster's rock hard sausage. Great video as always, Preston. I'm definitely looking forward to a video or two on the mutiny.
events that happened due to mind control according to Preston: - Jon joining the Watch - Ned's confession - Viserys acting a fool in Vaes Dothrak - Dany entering the pyre - Cat releasing Jaime - Jaime rescuing Brienne - Dany sacking Astapor - Jon refusing Stannis' offer - Samwell talking to Pyke & Mallister There's obviously more but I think the point is made. Preston, I am begging you to do a video attempting to explain how you reconcile this degree of mind control with the thematic elements of the controlled characters' story arcs. It would seem that this degree of influence over key events would somewhat invalidate any character development. It's one of the easiest criticisms to make of your analysis & I really do think you should address it.
Agreed, though i'll concede that the Stark kids personalities (minus Sansa) are probably being influenced by their Direwolves to some degree. Jojen even tells Bran "Remember yourself or the wolf will consume you." (Bran I ASoS) Rickon in particular will probably be half-feral the next time we see him.
Preston have you read books by the author Gene Wolfe? He is one of Martin's favorite authors and is regarded as a master fantasy and sci fi author. His books are famous for their complexity and are often compared to navigating a labyrinth. In his book of the new sun series, the main character is part of an order of black clad brothers and he receives a sword in a scene very similar to that of jon and momont. And in his book of the long sun series, there is a talking crow who is essentially the mouthpiece for God. There are more similarities to ice and fire too including blended consciousness, cannibalism, and an interregnum
Samwell Yarly being influenced by the supernatural seems incredibly unlikely to me. An obvious answer and to his "change of character" is shown in the conversation with maester aemon. You see, Sam PUSHES aemon to influence the election, and when aemon says no, SAM SAYS "can I?" out loud, and directed towards HIS MENTOR; Who then offers support to his potential actions.(flimsy support, but support nonetheless) Here we see a gradual shift in Sam's state of mind that suggests that he'd been reflecting on Grenn and Pip's statements prior. It's logical and EASILY within his character! Adding in the supernatural seems like quite a stretch, and an overly convenient way to support a "master plan theory".
Thank you for posting this before you have to start your season 7 videos! Would asking for the rest of the arianne videos be too much? So anxious to hear her conversation with haldon, or rather your take on it.
leo sky ikr. hes been cranking them out this past week. i suspect hes trying to get them out of the way because Sweet Robin, Brandon and Chad got work to do next week. gonna admire the work ethic.
great stuff as usual Preston, however...you misspelled mutiny. Doesn't detract or anything, just letting you know in case you wanted to go back and edit. Keep up the good work, can't wait for part 3.
Preston, I very much enjoy your videos. You are part of the few fans that understand that GRRM is making a long series that shows us how shitty feudal monarchy is. Everyone else wants Danny to fuck Jon and become King and Queen. It's against everything GRRM is trying to show us.
Your a madman PJ, and i say that in the best way possible!!! And thanks to you ive been checking out the 1000 worlds, loving em. Finished Tower/Ashes, MHM, and Sandkings, which was amazeballs!
19:18 I didn’t know this was a word, and it caught me off guard to say the least. I was like, “damn Preston, I thought this was game of thrones, not Huck Finn”
yo Preston I left a comment on the last video that it was weird how rushed was the election. So does that mean that raven made night's wathcmen hungry and then Thorne yelled that Stannis wouldn't let people eat before they successfully elected the Lord Commander?
Alisser Thorne : "This king who has taken the King's Tower has posted men at all the doors to see that we do not eat nor leave till we have made a choice. So be it!"
Mormont's raven is a weird theory but let's not forgot that in the book Mormont remarks that the raven is perpetually hungry and always asking for corn.
Don't you think it kinda undermines his whole character arc if every time Sam is courageous he's actually being magically controlled?
This is kind of the basic flaw of all of Preston's theories and approach to reading the text. Every major decision is made because somehow people are being manipulated or controlled either by mundane or supernatural means. There's no room for anyone to actually express agency of their own.
@@SupposeIRose I think he more just raises the possibility then assesses how plausible it is. The fact is we have zero concrete evidence that any mind control is happening but a buttload of circumstantial evidence that means we have to concede (at least) the possibility that it is. That's not to say every seemingly out of character action is due to psychic manipulation, but rather that GRRM has set up a situation where we can reasonably question whether it's in play or not.
Yes, that is exactly what GRRM likes to do. Set up lots of possibilities and threads. It is up to the reader on a lot of the interpretation.
It's fitting for Sam. Personally, I don't believe the story Sam tells Jon about Randyll. Sam could have left the Wall as soon as Randyll's guards disappeared UNLESS there was another reason he was at the Wall. One that would have, say, weakened House Tarly if it became general knowledge. We know Sam had done things like that in the past (what happened at the Arbor with Horas and Hobber, when Sam was supposed to squire there)
I think of these influences as more "an idea popping in your head" than "mind control". Like sam has the idea pop into his head to advocate for Jon and vice versa, but they needed to be who they are to actually follow through
20:20 "And yet he's fantasizing about Craster's rock-hard sausage." That means two things, Preston.
A few play on words at the end. Very nice.
Aaron Tran Craster's wives were sick of that sausage! #reasonforvegan
LMAO
Immediately paused the video when I heard this to check the comments as to if this was pointed out.. was not disappointed.
Aaron Tran i loled too
As someone who's been called crazy for years, I'm just happy that "time travelling Bran manipulation" is now such an obvious truth that it's become a lazy, uniteresting way to explain things.
I'm a big fan of the time traveling Bran theory as well, but I also think it's kind of unnecessary. Mostly everything you could potentially credit to a time traveling Bran could just as easily be manipulation from Bloodraven.
@@hanspennyloaf335 except Bloodraven pretty explicitly says he's not the Three Eyed Crow, so we know it's not him.
@@TizOnly1 Does he? As far as I knew he never made a definitive statement one way or the other, and he also tells bran that he had visited him in his dreams.
@@hanspennyloaf335 why limit it to one or the other, we dont know how far their relationship goes, blood raven may even teach bran how to time travel to further his own goals
Old posts but I think GRRM mostly knows this too. With how the show turned out its likely 100% changed and the three eyed crow is definitely a trickster now. Old Nan said it verbatim in the first book "crows are all liars." It perfectly displays the turn cloaks in the Watch against Jon and opens up a literal interpretation with Bran shouldn't be trusting the crow at all. Bran will still time travel but its gonna come at a cost.
It's likely an old agent of the Heart of Winter deceiving magically/telepathically sensitive individuals for eons.
We demand a 10 part series on Mormont's Raven!
He has said it, now he has to do it!
this
Will call it "The Deeper Corn". Qyburn will be involved somehow.
+Shinobi Acumen HAHAHAHAHA, I like that title.
A Very Good Man how can the raven be eating corn? corn wasn't present in medieval Europe. the setting in which the books are based on
W/r/t Sam's "sudden" courage: Yeah, he likes and trusts Grenn and Pyp, but they're his equals. The candidates wouldn't care about Pyp's opinion, so why should they care about Sam's? But Maester Aemon, well, that's a different story. Sam looks up to Aemon, he's been the father Sam never had, kind and wise and honest. If he, of all people, trusts that Sam will do what is right for the Watch, trusts that Sam can _choose_ what is right for the Watch, well. That's a pretty major confidence booster right there.
Good point. I'm not sure I buy into mental manipulation being the impetus for all character change. I'm new to that theory and can accept it may happen to some of the people, some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. And there may a mix of mental suggestion by magical means along with normal human triggers. Obviously, this is fantasy and magic does happen, but I hate to ascribe all changes in character are driven by it. Pretty interesting stuff to ponder.
I really wanted more maester aemon once it was revealed hes aerys bro and targ my gods what!?!?
Maesters to the castle but wall to lord commander??
Love some dude from bayonne has the world enraptured.
I really dislike the point that "Sam said he was too craven yesterday, but now he's brave? How does that add up?"
Sam underrating his own bravery and not recognising it when he shows it is both a cornerstone of his whole character arc and a repeated theme of the whole work, even getting a thesis statement from Ned in the very first chapter! Sam downplays the bravery he showed by *killing an Other* because he happened to feel fear while doing it. Him saying he's too craven to stand up to Mallister and Pyke is essentially just him saying he wants to do it, but it scares him. That's hardly an inconsistency; after he does it, guess what? He's still scared and surprised at himself, just like he's *always* surprised when he succeeds at doing scary things.
Explaining that particular character moment away as psychic manipulation rather cheapens his development, even if there is some more indirect magic pulling strings in the background.
@@johnnye87 I agree. I’ve always felt that Samwell displays bravery on a fairly regular basis. He’s beaten down in the yard and resigns to get back up (he never tries to flee). He stay’s in Craster’s Keep during the mutiny and murder (although that could be shock paralysing him) and well, he kills an other to defend Gilly - there’s no getting around that one; he looked death in the eye and as it turned to take her, he didn’t run, he stabbed it in the neck.
He has certain characters that bring back memories of his father’s abuse (Jeor Mormont for example, whose interactions with Sam often render him a stuttering mess), but he’s persistent.
It harkens back to Ned’s lesson to Bran about the nature of bravery: one can only be brave when one is scared.
Plus, Sam’s a Tarly. He might not be Savage Samwell Tarly, but he *is* Sam the Slayer..
Yeah this is my problem with a lot of PJ theories. Missing the forest for the trees a little bit
In real life, ravens do show a primitive culture. Ravens that are mistreated by a certain person teach others to avoid that person. Ravens that are fed by another person teach others to go to that other person. Besides they are very smart. Maybe "Snow" is a primitive meme. They know that they'll receive a treat if they learn to say snow, because they saw the others being treated as well, so they learned to say snow.
Ravens: lmao snow amirite
@@jeannebouwman1970 Snow moment
The ravens might also just wants some coke
@@dustingaethje1332 i never said which treat they were getting 😉❄️
Prestons refusal to beat the dead horse parallels the mutineers refusal to eat the dead horse.
Nice one!
In the beginning when you argue that Sam is both a craven and brave and implying that being brave is not like him seems off to me. Sam's journey is about self-confidence in a way, and even though he was a craven most of his life, and therefore why he still thinks he is one, he's not at this point in the story. It's normal to fear, and Sam thinks that fear means you are craven, which is false. And Aemon's question pushed him to act.
The only time to be brave is when you are craven.
If he's the most frightened, he'll be bravest.
It's not just Aemon's question, it's Aemon's refusal to help. Sam didn't act before because he still thought he could pass the task off to someone else. He only acted once he realized he was the only one who could, which is exactly how a good hearted craven would act.
Have my shadow baby preston
Daniel Holland how do you think who's best cyvasse player? My money's on Tyrion
Doran would lose on purpose to make Tyrion think he was the better player
Gee Wilikers
Not everything has to be a conspiracy lmao
Ravens can teach each other a lot of things. I read that a raven needed to be removed from an experiment before he taught the others how to break the test. During one summer ravens found out how to remove the livers from toads through their mouths, people found out about this because toads were apparently exploding on mass due to their livers being removed by ravens. Ravens actually naturally conspire together and the name for a group is very fitting.
Ravens are exceptionally smart. They can recognize human facial identities to an extent better than most humans and may be one of the few non-human animals to have some type of proto-language. And yes, they can very well teach each other things.
One example is a college study in which masked individuals antagonized ravens on campus. The raven avoided people in those specific masks and not masks in general. Later generations of ravens were taught to fear those masks and ravens across the city knew to avoid them as well. The ravens somehow communicated the specific features of those masks to other ravens that had not encountered them as dangers.
Ravens can also memorize human patterns like timed schedules and associate people with specific property. It makes sense for the Westerosi to use them for communication.
It is known. Ravens are corvids, and along with their unusual intelligence, they also have interesting social patterns. They mate for life, and they often continue to live in cooperative family groups even after their children are grown, or younger family members who leave their parents’ territory will return to help their parents prepare for the nesting and mating season. Also, I read somewhere that corvidae are the only creatures (aside from humans) who have recreational sex. I can’t find the citation now, and a quick web search didn’t turn anything up-but regardless, their social interactions are really complex. They also have fantastic sight, and they quickly learn to differentiate between human faces and then somehow pass on that information to all the other corvidae in their territory-and that’s why I think they’re especially well suited for communication.
They removed the toads liver while they were still alive? I need more details on this exploding toads story, please.
en masse*, the saying is en masse.
It was obviously done by frozen mermen within the wall, who are - obviously - also Targaryens, which explains why they are still alive, after being frozen for so long. How did they get there you ask? Simple: It was all part of Varys' plan to return Aegon to the throne, who is actually the rogue prince *cue the music* reborn and also Quaithe, Euron and the prince who was promised. He told a time traveling Bran to control the white walkers in the past to erect the wall with them in it, so he could use the moon to influence sweet robin, so he would poison Jeoffrey and Tywin. All he had to do was hire a faceless man to disguise himself as the mountain - which will all be revealed when Cleganebowl finally arrives - so he could steal all of Tyrion's books, which contain the secret to forging Valerian steel using only a jackass and a honey-comb.
Br00mstick This is the greatest thing I have ever read
Br00mstick *Joffery. Rest is fine and probably true.
But what about the mermen's tax policy?
Damn! When you put it like that it seems so obvious!
Yes! It all makes sense now!
#NotMyLordCommander
Well, who the fuck would want Jon as Lord Commander? Seriously.
@LeadFaun You do know that's not a lot of people, if we exclude the wildlings?
@LeadFaun Wildlings have no say in the matter.
@LeadFaun But Stannis could be influential in a way, to some crows at the Wall. That's why i didn't exclude him. Anyhow, my point is there are not a lot of brothers supporting the kid. Rightly so.
@@christiancristof491 Anyone who heard about him taking command of the wall and repelling Mance rayder's attacks or him warning castle black that the thenns were trying to come from the south. If I heard a sixteen year old with a handful of cripples, recruits, and people form molestown was able to repell an army with giants, chariots, and more I'd give some serious thought to that. 16 in a medieval society is an adult, and him being young is a benefit to the nights watch as most brothers see it.
I prefer the idea that it is character growth for Sam and not mind control. He wanted to talk with these guys but was afraid and then decided to do it anyway. And it feels totally believable to me that he wouldn't be pressured into it by his friends directly but nudged by Aemon who he looks up to.
Whenever he says "snow" in the raven's voice it cracks me up
One of the funniest things I've ever read was Mormont's Raven screaming about corn during the mutiny.
its a conspiracy of ravens.....thisisknown
how would one be able to tell the difference between Mormont's raven and any other raven. especially when more than one raven can speak.
DireCrow Wu pun pun pun!
Colour? Size? Who knows...
David Bodor mental influence maybe? Also heh size. Kinda related to that, White guys dressed in black being forced to think about hard black sausage that they'd want to nibble on. Grrm kids
David Bodor just so. but out of hundreds of ravens. you gotta expect at least a dozen or so would look very similar if not identical.
Sam released Janos Slynt's e-mails, and revealed Janos's crimes against Ser Ben of House Ghazi, a knight who served house Velaryon.
StannyBWrath "ser Ben of house ghazi" lmao, fuckin comedy gold my friend
Isn't he related to Ben Dover in some way?
15:22 - "Mutiny"
mutany* pls lern tu typ.
I really think Sam's "sudden change in character" isn't really all that sudden. Same has gradually become more courageous as he's faced more troubles. The characters in a book can't stay the same when such big events impact them.
20:24 “fantasising about Craster’s rock hard sausage”
Well I mean who wouldn’t
Thorne put Mormonts raven in the kettle. He thought it would say Corn (thorne) But instead it never.
He figured that could sway the thoughts of the watch.
"Dirk had horse meat in his hand and yet he's fantasizing about Craster's rock-hard sausage" may be the single dirtiest joke I have heard on the Internet.
The voice given to the ravens - birds that can mimic human speech perfectly - is making me scream
Preston Jacobs is the son of Patchface and Lollys Stokeworth
It is Known.
Kriti Bhattarai And Moonboy, for all I know
As told by mushroom.
Best UA-camr going.
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Is anyone else now hungry for that ten part Mormont's raven series?
15:05
Preston: I'll cut to the chase.
Me: OH BOY HERE WE GO.
Preston: Mormont's raven can absolutely alter people's minds.
Me: 😩👌👌💯🔥 WHY YES OF COURSE. GOOD SHIT.
i suspect Varys "little birds" are a misdirection. the children are not his main source of intel. Varys communicates with ravens.
DireCrow Wu interesting
Mind blown.
Does that imply a Varys/Bloodraven partnership?
Daniel Zaidan its a possibly. i think there are numerous implications in this. collusion with BL is just one out of a handful of very possible scenarios. with what we know, it is very likely there is a network of individuals acting behind the scenes manipulating various key events in the story.
It would be un-GGRM-likely to have a perfectly good Varys. And it would also be unlinke him for the over-the-Wall characters to be overly-bad. And since there's a chance Varys and Bloodraven are using blood advantages...
Great video! I for one would absolutly love a series about Mormont's raven.
Finally someone fully adresses the perplexing birds appearing throughout the books. I always had suspicions of their intent and/or possible master's intent.
"A 10 part video series can be dedicated to Mormont's Raven".
Yes please.
wait when do we discuss Ser Alliser Thorne snooping around the rookery?
Maybe when we discuss who put the raven in the kettle.
I need this nao
"Dude needed alone time bros"-Chad
Who knew George's daydreams about food were plot relevant
imagine if it turns out every long aside about food in the series turns out to be crucial to the plot. It's ALL code
5:26 Here we go boys, we all knew this was coming.
I noticed something in this video. The ravens spoke with the voice of Stannis. We need a series exploring the Stannis/Raven connection.
I for one think it has something to do with the real reason the Wise Masters Zhak and Merreq planned to leave Meereen.
Great job on this series Preston. Love your low-tech animation
Preston saying 'Snow' as the Raven is now my ringtone #superfan
I was just watching an Arianne episode, Preston you're my daddy.
Sam's change of mind, i think was a combination of the smile giving him a gentle push giving him control of his choice and him using gilly to help himself find some more courage and confidence
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I've been looking forward to the next episode of this series for so long now. I hope you get the time to throw a new one out there soon. Keep up the good work @prestonjacobs
The reading you did of the mutiny at Craster's keep makes it sound really hilarious in a dark way.
More "what you are missing" videos please I understand you have a lot on your plate, would be much appreciated
About Sam's sudden courage, I believe it was a mix of necessity, fear, determination, Aemon's prep talk and rage for all the shit he and Jon have gone through and do not deserve. The most powerfull ingredient is necessity though. That condition can move mountains.
Agreed. I don't know how the human condition slipped Preston's mind. I totally agree with him that there are far too many "coincidences" in the story for there to *not* be external manipulation, though what you've outlined shouldn't be discounted in certain individual circumstances.
So has Mormont's raven officially joined Chad, Brandon and Sweet Robin in presenting your videos, Preston?
Awesome video, as always Preston. But, did you mean to print "mutiny"? Keep up the great work, thank you.
I love your theories and breakdowns, but this is a bit much for me. It would turn a fantasy series with politic leanings into a conspiracy series with fantasy leanings. Isn't more likely that once people heard Mallister and Pyke were backing Jon, more of the swing votes decided he was a better choice as well? And isn't Sam talking with Mallister and Pyke mostly from self interest? Doesn't Sam know that his life and Gilly's are better off with Jon in charge than Slynt?
PJ is the guy who thinks Quentyn's still alive and that Penny is a spy for Littlefinger, the guy who thinks having small tits correlates with being a warg, the guy who thinks each and every character in this series is either secretly a skinchanger, secretly a Targaryen or secretly a mastermind manipulator.
Your well-reasoned and sensible argumentation has no power here.
I'm not sure I understand why, but this is my favorite of your video series so far.
"Snow, Snow, Snow! Corn! Corn! Corn!" shall be my new ringtone.
Sam suddenly being courageous isn't that out of character. He is cowardly for the most part but occasionally is overcome with "what is right."
how was mutiny "what is right"? You could probably justify Craster's death but not Mormont's.
Preston! Love the videos as always but at 15:31 you have a misspelling of mutiny! Keep up the great work my man!
Hurr hurr insert joke about fantasizing about Craster's rock hard sausage.
Great video as always, Preston. I'm definitely looking forward to a video or two on the mutiny.
events that happened due to mind control according to Preston:
- Jon joining the Watch
- Ned's confession
- Viserys acting a fool in Vaes Dothrak
- Dany entering the pyre
- Cat releasing Jaime
- Jaime rescuing Brienne
- Dany sacking Astapor
- Jon refusing Stannis' offer
- Samwell talking to Pyke & Mallister
There's obviously more but I think the point is made. Preston, I am begging you to do a video attempting to explain how you reconcile this degree of mind control with the thematic elements of the controlled characters' story arcs. It would seem that this degree of influence over key events would somewhat invalidate any character development. It's one of the easiest criticisms to make of your analysis & I really do think you should address it.
Agreed, though i'll concede that the Stark kids personalities (minus Sansa) are probably being influenced by their Direwolves to some degree. Jojen even tells Bran "Remember yourself or the wolf will consume you." (Bran I ASoS)
Rickon in particular will probably be half-feral the next time we see him.
preston your sense of humor is the best xddd LOVE the intro
Your raven voice cracks me up. x)
Great video. Can't wait for Part 3
#MakeTheWatchGreatAgain
The wall just got TEN SPANS HIGHER
John Merces arrow fan?
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oh shit, one already exists.
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Second Great Wall!
preston is my hero.
never. cease. to. amaze.
I love your tinfoil hat, Preston! Gawd you rock this ASOIAF stuff!
The rest in Part 3? You're just fucking with us now.
gnet kuji very true killing Bran part 3 should be done first.
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Preston is seriously insane. That being said I enjoy his videos
Stoked for Season Seven Watch!! When it comes to Preston content I am a total Chad Summerchild
Who's the artist for the character portraits being used in this video?
Sourjya SS I was asking myself the same thing while watching the vid
JG R i dunno the name, but i found a ton of them on deviant art.
Sourjya SS The Mico
Russian graphic artist called the Mico. He has a growing library of probably almost 500 book(ish) versions of Ice & Fire characters
kettlemagic Macedonian* Fun fact: GRRM apparently liked his drawings - google Faidutti's interview with The Mico
Ngl, had to watch part one a couple of times cause I got thrown by the numbers, but love these like deep dives u do !
i love the voices you do for the quotes
Preston have you read books by the author Gene Wolfe? He is one of Martin's favorite authors and is regarded as a master fantasy and sci fi author. His books are famous for their complexity and are often compared to navigating a labyrinth. In his book of the new sun series, the main character is part of an order of black clad brothers and he receives a sword in a scene very similar to that of jon and momont. And in his book of the long sun series, there is a talking crow who is essentially the mouthpiece for God. There are more similarities to ice and fire too including blended consciousness, cannibalism, and an interregnum
I fantasize about oats and corn. But not barley.
The way you said "Snow" with the crow voice cracked me up
aw come on preston it was just getting good! hope part 3 comes out soon
your fucking narrations mate holy shit, they're amazing. when you did the bird voice i died. amazing video
Samwell Yarly being influenced by the supernatural seems incredibly unlikely to me. An obvious answer and to his "change of character" is shown in the conversation with maester aemon.
You see, Sam PUSHES aemon to influence the election, and when aemon says no, SAM SAYS "can I?" out loud, and directed towards HIS MENTOR; Who then offers support to his potential actions.(flimsy support, but support nonetheless)
Here we see a gradual shift in Sam's state of mind that suggests that he'd been reflecting on Grenn and Pip's statements prior. It's logical and EASILY within his character!
Adding in the supernatural seems like quite a stretch, and an overly convenient way to support a "master plan theory".
It's possible there are only 3 snow-saying ravens, and the one that arrived early left and re-arrived in the meantime?
Excellent video, keep it up!
Ok the image used for the horse meat scene had me laughing until I had tears in my eyes. Just the whole upside-down horse.
Where is part 3, Preston? Are you going to get back to this now that the season is over? I've been waiting for the end of this series.
Hey Preston, have you ever considered making a video about Patchface?
Thank you for posting this before you have to start your season 7 videos! Would asking for the rest of the arianne videos be too much? So anxious to hear her conversation with haldon, or rather your take on it.
Yay!!!Preston is going to make 10 videos on Mormont's raven. I can't wait!
Two Preston videos in 2 days??
Awesome.
leo sky ikr. hes been cranking them out this past week. i suspect hes trying to get them out of the way because Sweet Robin, Brandon and Chad got work to do next week. gonna admire the work ethic.
21:23 wasn't Sam named the Slayer after his return to Castle Black?
great stuff as usual Preston, however...you misspelled mutiny. Doesn't detract or anything, just letting you know in case you wanted to go back and edit.
Keep up the good work, can't wait for part 3.
Stepping up the editing... good on ya!
Do we have to wait for season 7 to end before we get part 3, or more prep for winter or 1000 worlds?
Been waiting for this, awesome vid! Keep up the shit talk on Jon snow pls, love it.
Preston, I very much enjoy your videos. You are part of the few fans that understand that GRRM is making a long series that shows us how shitty feudal monarchy is.
Everyone else wants Danny to fuck Jon and become King and Queen. It's against everything GRRM is trying to show us.
Your a madman PJ, and i say that in the best way possible!!! And thanks to you ive been checking out the 1000 worlds, loving em. Finished Tower/Ashes, MHM, and Sandkings, which was amazeballs!
19:18 I didn’t know this was a word, and it caught me off guard to say the least. I was like, “damn Preston, I thought this was game of thrones, not Huck Finn”
please... please do a 10 part series on Mormons Raven! no joke!
It'd be called "The Book of Mormons Raven"
I like that rock wall. Where do I get a fancy wall of fancy rocks?
Will you make a video about mormounts raven?
10:38 Why did you put those demons there? I almost shit myself.
great timing man
"rock hard sausages"
"I will not beat this horse anymore"
these deserves a 10-part video series in themselves
Can u please do a video about that GRRM interview where they talk about how John snow is a fire wight?
yo Preston I left a comment on the last video that it was weird how rushed was the election. So does that mean that raven made night's wathcmen hungry and then Thorne yelled that Stannis wouldn't let people eat before they successfully elected the Lord Commander?
Good call!
Alisser Thorne : "This king who has taken the King's Tower has posted men at all the doors to see that we do not eat nor leave till we have made a choice. So be it!"
Preston Jacobs my dude the raven flying around my bedroom right now has made me ravenously hungry for part 3... any idea when it's coming?
Mormont's raven is a weird theory but let's not forgot that in the book Mormont remarks that the raven is perpetually hungry and always asking for corn.
Wooohooooo... Ive been waiting for this shit.
Thank you Preston. Thank You
I know this is an old video, but I will be so sad if Preston does not voice the ravens in the Winds audiobook