Why I Do Not Believe in God | Penn Jillette
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- In this thought-provoking video, Penn Jillette, the renowned magician and outspoken atheist, shares his personal journey of skepticism and discovery. Delving into the core of his beliefs, Penn articulates why he doesn't believe in God, exploring themes of reason, evidence, and the importance of questioning dogma. With his characteristic wit and honesty, he invites viewers to reflect on their own beliefs, encouraging a dialogue that transcends religious boundaries.
Join Penn as he examines the intersections of morality, science, and faith, challenging conventional narratives while offering a refreshing perspective on the world around us. Whether you're a devout believer, an agnostic, or someone curious about atheism, this video promises to stimulate your mind and ignite meaningful conversations. Don’t miss this chance to hear from one of the most captivating voices in contemporary discussions on religion and reason!
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“Religion belonged to the infancy of humanity. Now that humanity has come of age, it should be left behind.” -Sigmund Freud
Freud was wrong about the “coming of age” part. He’s not around in the trump age.
Religion deters human progress.
@@leoaguinaldo65 And it is done purposely. The more people know about science, the more they flee from religion.
@@williamgreenfield9991you nailed it. Great comment.
@@williamgreenfield9991 Darwin wasn't a scientist .
As Aron Ra says - an atheist doesn't believe in a god or gods, and an agnostic doesn't KNOW - that they are an atheist ;-)
Gnosticism and theism aren't mutually exclusive. Gnosticism is about knowledge and the other is about belief. You use knowledge to inform your beliefs.
The fact that one doesn't believe in a god or gods is not proof there is no god.
@@firecloud77The burden of proof is with the believers.
@@marcdaniels9079 The believer is not burdened by the atheists unrealistic expectation of scientific proof. You know perfectly well that the existence of God cannot be scientifically proven.
@@firecloud77 And therein lies your psuedo-saving grace. All that means is that you have an excuse not to prove anything or rationalize. Everything is a "feeling" and feelings are subject to bias based on personal experience and interpretation. A Christian sees a terrible car accident that someone survives and they call it a literal miracle from God. If they don't, they simply "didn't "recieve God's blessing because convientantly it's just that it was God's plan for them to die".
I simply see one out of the hundreds that didn't get as lucky.
The most devout christian is also an atheist with respect to every other god they don't believe in.
I get what you're trying to illustrate, but I've never bought this. If they believe in even just one god, they aren't an atheist at all. This is valuable however for showing them WHY we don't believe in their god -- for us it's as easily dismissed as they do with all the other gods.
@@ziff_1 I understand what he's trying to say, but it's poor choice of words. What he means is that all christians are athiesitic towards other gods.
@@ziff_1 Well yes they are. If they are Christians then they are theistic (believe in the existence of) towards the Christian faith/god and atheistic (rejecting the belief of) all other gods or religions. Even in my own family there are those that lightly mock some beliefs as "superstition" but they can't seem to apply the same logic to their own faith which I find just as stupid and absurd.
A devout Christian is not going to believe every other god. A devout Christian is monotheistic believing in one God. Atheists steal from God and then deny Him. Atheist are backstabbers they take all the good from God and then backstab Him when He offers them redemption. We are just a bunch of thieves and traitors. But thanks be to God He offers us a better way, love . 1 Corinthians 13:1-13.
A devout Christian is not going to believe every other god. A devout Christian is monotheistic believing in one God. Atheists steal from God and then deny Him. Atheist are backstabbers they take all the good from God and then backstab Him when He offers them redemption. We are just a bunch of thieves and traitors. But thanks be to God He offers us a better way, love . 1 Corinthians 13:1-13.
I became an athiest at 53 after reading the Bible. It's a grotesque book full of hatred and spite. Not being a christian anymore is the best thing that ever happened to me.
It's never too late. Welcome to the rest of your life without that cancer of the mind.
And the best thing that ever happened to Christianity.
@@MarkoVukovic0 The cancer of the mind is this thing called woke.
@@DEE-qu5mcdefine woke as you understand it.
@@jag1963 Good for you, though 2.4 billion people would disagree with you.
I was born an Atheist and was never subsequently indoctrinate into any religion. Thank god.
Please watch and share with others my five brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible; facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by God. And today's scientists agree with those facts. Thank you!
Religion is bad and lies I can’t believe anyone believes in religion in these days
@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921
And then watch the several videos that debunk the afore mentioned video with actual science and call out its many false assertions.
@@Captain101-x1o Hey, Captain: You are not correct regarding my brief and humble little videos. My videos provide examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible.
Facts are facts and cannot be refuted. But please try. I'll be waiting...
Thanks, and take care.
@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 So after wasting 7 minutes and 51 seconds on one of your videos just to give you a chance, I can conclude you haven't proven anything scientific about the Bible. You start by rambling on about atoms and periodic table and other SCIENTIFIC discoveries that you will not find described in the Bible. I've read the whole Bible and I'm pretty sure atoms or periodic table is not in there. So why are you trying to make it so that this is in the Bible? Cause we are made of atoms and "God made us"? A Muslim could just as easily say the same thing about the Quran or a Hindu about the Bhagavadgita.
You say "I believe..." this and that when you finally switch over from high school science to your personal faith, which is fine. You are free to believe what you want, but it doesn't make it science. You have presented no scientific facts that are stated in the Bible. If you want to say "Bible said God created life" is a scientific facts then I'm sorry to disappoint you. It's no more scientific fact than Allah revealing himself to Muhammed in the Quran or Eru Ilúvatar creating Middle Earth in Lord of the Rings. You can try to make it scientific as much as you want, but you'll only be ridiculed for it cause it IS ridiculous!
Yep, I vividly remember being in my early teens and realising that there’s only 50 odd Sundays in the year, and we always hear the same parts almost exactly at the same times of the year year after year when the book is read from in church, and then you actually look at the book and realise that based on the amount of pages and how small the writing is, Massive amounts of that book I never actually being preached or spoken about at church, while the church is saying the entire book is God‘s word, and while it just does the Greatest Hitz every calendar year because they are the more fluffy and light-hearted of the bunch.
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom thee Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
Yup. Most churches aren't going to touch 90% of the OT. Just read Deuteronomy 21:10-14 for example. Here's a passage where God says when you pillage your enemy's town and you see a young woman you find attractive, you may capture her and make her your wife. However, before having sex with her, you must give her 30 days to grieve her dead parents that you murdered. The OT is full of this barbaric garbage.
Of course we read the bible n immediately became an atheist. It clearly demonstrates that believers either did not read it themselves or depending on what the pastors told them (cherrypicking n using mental and linguistic gymnastics to bend the obvious blatant meaning into something to their benefit ).
For those who actually read the bible from cover to cover but still assert their fairh , still cover up their own conscience in saying that bible is moral, objectively moral, true , the way, etc, they are deceiving themselves n the whole world
@@tongleekwan1324
When you say cherry picking
Are you talking about marchino cherries or what.
People don't need the bible to deceive themselves and the world as YOU claim, there are many, many people out there who are delusional, and who haven't read the bible.
People who decide that they were deceived by their religion, and then believe that they have become more intelligent and aware after leaving it make me laugh, because they'll actually end up being deceived by other things lol.
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom thee Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
Well, no. I didn't IMMEDIATE become an atheist after reading the Bible. I DID immediately stop being a fundamentalist, but it actually took about 10 years before I stopped thinking of myself as a Christian, and even then I wasn't an atheist - I was a pantheist.
I really, really wanted to keep believing. I hung on long, long after I should have let it go.
Rest assured, after reading it, I didn't think the morality of the Bible was good, and I didn't think the Bible was the literal word of God, but it took a while to shake the faith off - I basically hung on until a friend of mine joined the Assemblies of God and I saw her change from a kind, non-judgemental person into a paranoid hate-monger - that was when I finally realised that Christianity is very much not good
@@IanM-id8or You are confusing true Christianity, goodness, compassion, and tolerance with organized religions. I am not a Christian but I see nothing wrong with those tenets. Just read Zhuan Falun online and get some real answers, if you are not already convinced that there are none.
How can any right thinking person disagree with what Penn says here. Think for yourselves, simple.
I used to share his beliefs almost to the letter when I was younger, that's what I was brought up believing, I became increasingly skeptical of it later in life.
@@SteveLomas-k6k You are skeptical about thinking for yourself?
@@SteveLomas-k6k So which argument convinced you that the condoning of slavery and all the other terrible stuff in the bible actually is acceptable?
Right thinking? Yes, think for yourselves, which also means that it is you who decides whether to believe in a higher power or not, and there are many who choose to do so and are richer for it, is there a problem with that?
I don't need an insignificant nobody telling me what to think, and I couldn't care less of their thoughts, but why do they need to announce it online as if they made some grand discovery or something lol.
@@DEE-qu5mc _"I don't need an insignificant nobody telling me what to think, and I couldn't care less of their thoughts"_
And we don't need another insignificant nobody blathering about how the belief in an invisible man in the sky made him somehow 'richer' (whatever he wants to say with this meaningless babble).
If you don't get and don't like what public forums are for then just stop reading them and commenting on them. It is as easy as that.
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov
"The point is not that I'm an atheist, so I know more about religion; that's the wrong cause and effect. I think the more accurate way to phrase it is that - I know more about religion, so I'm an atheist." -- Isaac Asimov
Proof of God : In Quran Ayats rarely ends with letter "H" but in Surah al Shams (Sun), all the ayats (verses) ends with letter "H". And Sun is made of Hydrogen(H) and Helium(He).
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom thee Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe there is no wisdom in the bible, just deepities that the gullible take to have true significance
@@kellydalstok8900 You obviously have lost touch with your own Divine soul, very sad, good luck. You sound quite young so maybe you will find something that opens your heart.
@@kellydalstok8900 One thing that is a fact that you and all atheists are and that is you are all quitters, lets see you talk your way out of that fact, you are the evidence of that. Finding God is work and the more that one puts into something, the more that person is rewarded. quitters get zero, sorry.
You'll never hear a believer pray for god to regenerate an amputated limb, or to reveal the whereabouts of a missing child, because it would take an actual miracle for those prayers to be answered. Believers know, whether they'll admit it or not, that there are no actual miracles. Therefore, prayers are limited to things that can be achieved without help from a deity.
No-one in their right mind prays for anything. One just quiets the mind in a contemplative act.
There have been countless miracles. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
God answers all prayers. It's just that his answer is always "No".
@@DrMikeOckhertz Not in my case. When people reject God He respects their choice and does not help nor protect them and that is exactly why that today Satan rules this planet.
@@jeff_forsythe
Falun Dafa makes many completely unfounded claims about creation whilst denying modern science and medicine and being anti homosexual and women’s rights.
I read the bible at 59. It instantly made me an atheist. You are 100% right!
So that means you speak for everyone else ?
@@rneedham667
I made my first glass of instant tea when I was a kid.
I instantly liked it.
The makers of it are 100% right.
Read the bible when I was 15. An atheist ever since.
@@MagiRemmie
What part of the Bible made you an atheist.
In the beginning part ?
I read it 5 times throughout my life, and I realized the same thing…realized I was was stupid for not being done with it the first time I read it.
“There are no miracles or exceptions to the laws of Nature.” -Stephen Hawking
'Nature is the executor of God's laws': Galileo
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe BS!
@@AlcibiadesMD Yes, BlessingS to you too.
@@SteveLomas-k6k According to Dava Sobel: 'Galileo missed the discovery of Neptune; could not accept the moon's impact on tides; and was convinced that comets were atmospheric disturbances instead of objects in the heavens."
Invisible man in the sky that grants wishes. Yeah. That checks out.
No faith, no chance of ever finding God. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
Correct. And when wishes aren't granted, Christians simply say "we shouldn't question god" or "it was god's will".
@@wfemp_4730 We are here to be tested and to suffer for our sins committed in past lives, that is why life it is so difficult to understand, we have to pay our debts. Falun Dafa explains everything.
@@jeff_forsythe No god to find, and no mysteries of creation because our world and our universe wasn't created.
I refer to the invisible dude as Santa Claus for adults.
When I was a child I had an imaginary friend called Rupert. He went everywhere with me, I blamed him for all my actions (when I got caught) and he lived in my closet. When I got older people told me to grow up and abandon Rupert. So I changed his name to Jesus and moved him from the closet to heaven and suddenly it became acceptable to have an imaginary friend again.
😂😂😂😂
"Religion is a phase a species goes through when it evolves enough intelligence to ask profound questions but not enough to answer them." - Bill Flavell
No other species, as far as we know, has developed religion. It's not just a phase but a result of our unique human experience.
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe You're broken record mantra only makes you sound like a nonsensical bible-thumper.
@@jesseeverhart There is evidence that Homo Neanderthals had formed some sort of belief system, indicated by the treatment of their dead.
Falun Dafa has brainwashed poor Jeff, he is now a serial cut and paster, unable to come up with original arguments, his weak and gullible mind is how he has been taken into the cult.
When I was Christian, I hated this guy….when I woke up and started using logic and science, he became a hero to me.
After almost thirty five years I am Atheist today.
Another sane person who chooses logic and reason!😊
That's wonderful 👍😊
@@ianp3112 What logic and reason justifies atheist belief that no God exists? I won't hold my breath. You atheists are lying phonies who posture with pretenses of science and reason, while denying science and reason when confronted
where did all of this come from.....
You never were a Christian.
@@philipbuckley759 For example, I believe the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in "The Gospel of Afranius"
You don’t need to explain why you don’t believe in gods any more than you need to explain why you don’t believe in Santa Claus.
I struggle to understand why you believe Santa Claus knows how to digitally encode amino acid sequences in base 64.
Why does Dawkins not see that no random process creates digit as l information?
@@glenliesegang233 DNA is a naturally occurring molecule. Human beings attach the idea of “information” to it. Your point is called an Argument From Ignorance: you can’t understand how something can work, therefore god did it.
But you do need to explain why you're constructing a false equivalence and trying to pass it off as a valid argument.
False equivalence: You are essentially saying that the degree to which we know there is no Santa is equivalent to the degree to which we know there is no God.
Furthermore, "There is no Santa, therefore there is no God" is a non sequitur.
@@firecloud77 The degrees are exactly equivalent as there is zero material evidence for the existence of either.
@@gweilospur5877 If everything is random chance, then why do all the healthy foods taste bad and all the unhealthy ones taste good? Seems deliberate.
Hoping to see many theists in the comments. They are the ones who need these wake-up calls the most!
They are too far in by now
@@mattorr2256 Yeah, I sent my Father some videos much like this one and it didn't get him out but I hope it planted some seeds of doubt.
I'm a theist or believer whichever one you want to use against me.
How can consciousness exist in a constrained system without the system itself being able to process the necessary functions to contain and sustain it?
You are just fullfilling Scripture, 2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. This was almost not there 2 or 300 years ago. We live in the end times, with the probability of a third WW. with total destruction with atomic bombs.
"Faith" is defined as "belief without evidence".
"Moron" is defined as "person of faith".
Do you have faith God doesn't exist? Or do you have evidence God doesn't exist?
You lied about the definition of faith. Typical atheist liar.
@@PapaBear-k4k
You misunderstand atheism.
Try watching the video and listening.
Atheism is a lack of belief.
Atheists don’t have faith in either position, they only believe what is supported by good evidence.
@@PapaBear-k4kdo you have evidence that there isn't an invisible Ford Focus circling Saturn right now?
So witty!! I'm going to stop listening to JESUS b/c of your mind blowing erudition. cheers
“Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of the astonishing Universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.” -Carl Sagan
Gotta love Carl. I miss him every day. He is my hero and I still learn as much as I can from his lectures and videos
@@mattorr2256 Thank you, same here, he was an excellent educator. Love his books Cosmos and The Demon Hunted World.
He was indeed a light in this world obscured by traditions, tribal fantasies and delusions. Best regards to you, Cheers 🍻 to Dr Sagan and to enlightenment.
So you think that Carl Sagan was some great sage? We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe The God of the Bible is more prideful and narcissistic than the biblical devil.😈
Who makes people so they can worship him? 🧐
Imagine if parents were like that with their children.😱
Think you picked the wrong god buddy!🤪
@@thewb8329 Most religions are nonsense and God only wants to be respected, not us crawling on the floor. There were dishonest people in the ancient times also, controllers. We are God's most precious creation and that is why He created earth. We sinned and were supposed to go to Hell but instead we are here to suffer to redeem ourselves. We have been reincarnated hundreds of times, Falun Dafa explains many mysteries.
I know a lot of talking snakes.
You work in politics?
Or a law firm?
Or a church?
I don't believe in god. I also don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns, Unicorns, Big Foot or the Loch Ness Monster. All for the same reason.
I'm a life long athesit, never opened a bible. I have for some time thought about reading it, just get to more of the bullshit. I asked ChatGpt, how long time it would take, if I red 30 min. pr day, and it's 4-5 month, and I don't want to waste so much time. There are so many great video with great thinkers (Maher, Jilette, Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Fry, Dilahunty, etc), who tells things like it is.
I've heard of them.
And watched videos of several.
They don't have anything I want.
@@RandomStuff-i4i you do not want reality or truth that is your problem
@@RandomStuff-i4i This explains why some believers hold their beliefs so tightly: they want to avoid certain uncomfortable truths.
@@RandomStuff-i4iSo, they don't have anything YOU Want!
A typical Egocentric, narcissistic and ignorant attitude!
I began moving toward belief in God when I realized that a first cause is necessary, that the universe hasn't existed eternally so a cause is necessary, and that the universe certainly didn't create itself.
I've read the Bible cover to cover numerous times and continue to study it, but it has only deepened my faith. I've read Dawkins and Hitchens too btw.
When a one world ruler comes and he’s coming the beast of Revelation and if he lives to see it he will worship him and if he lives to see it he will take the mark of the beast.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
Give a man a bible and he starves to death praying for a fish." Yve Dara
the Bible changed the world.....
@@philipbuckley759 For the far worse.
Humanity made god and also hell and heaven on earth. And if you behave, because you are afraid of being punished (by either a god in which you believe or by a justice system), then you are just a dog on a leash!
It's good to hear sanity. In the UK, over 49% of us are irreligious. Of course, some of that 49% will be spiritual, but whatever they believe in, it won't be an insecure, narcissistic, psychopath with delusions of grandeur. I read the bible as an adult some 30 years ago and was horrified. It should have one of those warning stickers on it that they used to put on rock albums and be restricted to over 18s.
I have lived most of my life in the UK, and most of the people I have known have been atheists ( although that is recently changing). I first read the Bible as an adult 45 years ago, and it confirmed the beliefs I had independently arrived at. I have read it many time since and remain a committed member of the Christian minority. As for sanity, St.Paul was accused of being insane, so I am happy to join him in the asylum.
It was the hymns that did it for me. We used to have school assembly with a reading, prayers and a hymn. The hymn seemed always to be about blood. They made me feel actually nauseous.
Proof of God : In Quran Ayats rarely ends with letter "H" but in Surah al Shams (Sun), all the ayats (verses) ends with letter "H". And Sun is made of Hydrogen(H) and Helium(He).
Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
The important point for me is not over the existence of god or belief in god, but the relevance of religion in the world which has been diminishing at a very fast rate in the modern world. Religion exists in the environment of mass ignorance where knowledge is held and controlled by small groups of MEN.
According to christianty they are waiting for a man to come from the sky to save them
Self delusion can lead to orange leaders...I subscribe to the idea that religion should be treated like sex; practiced out of the public domain among consenting adults only and do not include children under any circumstances...
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe Want to base your life on a book of myths with no evidence of factual basis...? Have at it but don't base our society on it because reason has proven much more useful than imaginary deities...
@@timwhite7127 You and all atheists are missing the true point of Christianity. If God showed Himself to us then there would be no need for faith and faith is the reason why we are here. To test our hearts and to show God who We are, not the other way around. Falun Dafa explains everything. good luck.
@@jeff_forsythe Faith is the opiate that keeps the suckers coming back when the magic doesn't work.
@@timwhite7127 No faith, no magic.
So much talk about something they don't belive exists.
Don’t see the issue with that. People talk about gods existing a lot too.
Religion is a problem for society.
We have to talk about our problems.
One mistake Penn should have fixed in edit was that Lott's daughter wasn't beaten and raped, the messengers of the Lord saved the daughters by blinding the bad guys. But that said, Penn's point is well taken and Lott offering his virgin daughter rs to these thugs is, to us, horrible. Then Penn goes on to describe many of the things that I hate about Christianity. The point about morality is amazingly true. When a Christian asks "where do you get your morality from?" I am now going to use this example as commentary saying, "fear of hell or promise of heaven don't instill morality because morality comes from wanting to do good not because of reward or punishment"
In the Gospel of Mary (purged by the orthodox church as heresy) Jesus is asked what the nature of sin is. He says There is no sin, only the mistaken view of your own nature. I don't believe in God but when you read widely of these texts, and those of Buddhism, Vedanta, it gives you a richer perspective of these things than merely what has been taught to us. Krishna basically says the same as Penn in this regard (in the Bhagavad-Gita) act without desire for reward or results is liberating: do one's duty. Let the zealots of all viewpoints fight amongst themselves.
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
I LOVE that statement about morality. If you are being moral for the sake of "reward or punishment", it isn't really morality. Wow, I find that very profound and spot on. If reward or punishment is a factor in morality, that sounds like coercion or maybe blackmail is more appropriate.
More to the point is anti-theism - - being against all religions.
Jesus was an anti-theist.
"Religion means orienting one’s existence around faith, God, and a life of service - and correspondingly downgrading or condemning four key elements: reason, nature, the self, and man."
-Leonard Peikoff-1986
I think Thomas Aquinas would have profoundly disagreed that it resulted in the downgrading of those things. But then, Thomas Aquinas was not an idiot, like a lot of the "flock".
@@thebaryonacousticoscillati5679
He may have disagreed had he been alive 800 years later. As it was he was of medieval thinking. He most likely thought the earth was flat and orbited by the sun. Not great credentials against modern thinking!
Reading the Bible may or may not make you an atheist. I know people who have read it cover to cover for years and are still ardent believers. I read it cover to cover for years and was a Christian.
The difference was when I read it from a critical point of view. Then I became an atheist. And that didn't happen overnight. It took several years. When you've been brainwashed since a baby I guess it takes longer (or at least those who have nil critical thinking faculties).
Same here.
@@glenngibson9201 I get that! Luckily, I read it before indoctrination managed to get hold of me.
I still read my Bible.
I love it.
Why become an Atheist, simply because you become aware that the "God of the Bible" is not God?
@@Pootycat8359
They say they become
an atheist, because they read something in the Bible they don't like and they give up.
They don't even know God or who God is.
It's apparent when watching this and other atheist videos that feelings about the issue are much stronger in USA than, for instance, Europe.
Most Europeans, including Brits like me, don't feel that it is strange or noteworthy that many people have no religious faith. Why is that?
Hoping that someday social proof will yield more non-believers than believers. That's why it's important to speak up. If people start to realize people they know and like are non-believers they can eventually come around to the same conclusion. Let's hope!
And you believe it.
Never gonna happen because "social proof" shows degradation and moral decay, destruction of families and murder rates sky rocketing since religion lost its grip on society LOL
Why do you hope that? Do you actually think the world would be any better? And what if "the Faithful" (as we might call them) DON'T come to your conclusion? You gonna persecute them or something? The Truth is this: the belief/assumption (whatever you want to call it) of modern scientific materialism is as metaphysically unprovable as any religion, so in that regard shares the characteristic of the theistic belief, so is in a sense, a religious view. Being agnostic might be a better option than believing/not-believing ANYTHING.
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe Copying and pasting your comment multiple times in response to other commentators just makes you look like a complete chop, Jeff. It doesn't make your comment true in any way. Falun Dafa or Falun Gong is just a whack-job cult.
theres no evidence for a god, and which god are we talking about anyway?
All are equal in time.
There is no evidence that there is no God. Childish statements. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
There’s no evidence that there’s not a god.
@@thatoneguyRyan1There's no evidence that there aren't magic unicorns.
@@A15degreeperhourdrift exactly
I understand the drive toward religious faith perfectly, because I'm a human and it's a hard thing to be. The bible - like almost all other dogmatic religious texts - offers a nice, convenient keyhole view of the world and the universe as it was understood hundreds and even thousands of years ago, which is to say not much at all. But it's still written by humans with all the attendant questioning and confusion that goes with being a human, so there are kernels of truth in there, which is what people latch on to. But there are MOUNTAINS more truth in the field of philosophy, which explicitly addresses the quandaries and contradictions of consciousness, but applies a method-based approach to investigating them. I had to go through the whole Catholic confirmation thing to appease my extremely Irish Catholic grandma, and it was exactly that experience that made me a permanent atheist. In Sunday school one day - I was about 8 - a kid in the class asked what happens when you get a flat tire on your bike in heaven. The pastor said, without a hint of irony, "it just fixes itself!" Even at 8 years old and being a big fan of all things fantasy and make-believe, I couldn't stand the inane nature of this 'conversation.' The only thing dumber than the question was the answer, and I essentially said to myself there and then "The universe is not so small and stupid. The universe is endless and mysterious and unknowable. I will never ride a bike in heaven, and neither will anyone else." I dutifully finished my confirmation, but the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god was just a silly fairy tale from then on. All that said, I have not given up on the idea that SOMETHING in our existence MAY be eternal in some way that we don't understand, but if so, it's not the great churches of the world that have the answer. Certain Buddhist beliefs I can respect because it's not dogma, it's METHOD. That is, if you don't follow a strict path then you can't call yourself an actual Buddhist, but everyone's welcome to learn from the teaching anyway. It's about dissolving the ego and accepting the cycle of life and death, whereas Christian dogma is ALL about ego and CONQUERING death. Stupid.
Psalm 69: god is a fantasy.
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
OK, so you don't believe in God. But you have still been "granted" extraordinary wealth and "advantages." I hope you can at least contribute to others who are not as fortunate as you are.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Absolutely fantastic. I'm 40 and have been fighting theocracy for 25 years. I was 15 when I took up the challenge.
I'm still reading now. I have more books out every year and , of course, a library in my city.
Penn Jillete is a hero for the anti theists. And, quite rightly so. He has a bit of hitch in him.
I was the opposite, I was brought up atheist and only became skeptical of it later in life. I'm glad to be free of it now.
Proof of God : In Quran Ayats rarely ends with letter "H" but in Surah al Shams (Sun), all the ayats (verses) ends with letter "H". And Sun is made of Hydrogen(H) and Helium(He).
What country do you live in with a theocracy to fight against? Just curious.
@@herneyse11 Sorry, but that's more proof that you make random associations between words - clang associations (look it up) - than any proof about God (or not God). But, obviously, believe what makes you feel OK. Unless you're just joking, of course...hard to tell. Have a good one.
Seek and ye shall find means exactly that, quit seeking and find nothing. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
The reason so many people believe in a God and believe and practice a religion, is that most if not all are heavily exposed to it as a child, when we are forming our beliefs that in many cases we will carry for our wholes lives. Political, moral, social, business, scientific etc etc.
Most adults, who are brought up learning that questioning things is good, and are either informed that God's are not real, or not exposed to God's... are not going to start believing in Gods as an adult. There may be a small few, but a very low percentage.
The supernatural and religion are man made constructs... and when trying to sell them to an adult, who is profient in reason and good at questioning... the sales pitch is poor and rarely cuts through. Why, because there is a lack of proof or evidence in the supernatural God, and the religion is about 2000 years out of date on how to live your life 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Respect to Penn for being very kind to his former pastor and not disrespecting him for still believing.
One should disrespect no-one for a belief. Only for an action.
I class myself as an anti-theist in that I not only do not believe that any gods exist, I think that believing in a god is detrimental to the mental wellbeing of humans.
When religious people claim that they have a ''moral compass,'' that I don't possess, I find that very insulting.
I don't NEED 10 commandments from an invisible magic man in the sky, WRITTEN DOWN, to tell me NOT to steal, NOT to murder etc. These things are within me as a human being, which poses the question, does that mean that religious people are devoid of any humanity?
Look at the actions of religious people. Are their actions always moral and humane?
Faith is the wound that knowledge heals.
If as you say, "there is no God"...then live your life to the fullest and do as you please and whatever you please, because when your life is over, it's over. That's it, no mas, finito, sayonara. Ecclesiastes 12:12 - "To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh".
It was reading the Bible cover to cover at age nine. That's all it took. Nine year olds are generally too straight forward to have the mental gymnastics to say "wow, that makes sense to me!" just because someone else believes it.
Seems like your a smart guy
@@mattorr2256 I probably would be were I a guy! 😄
I remember reading my little Bible kids get.
At age 10 , I was impressed.
I am much older now and I have a bigger Bible and I love it.
I thank God every day for his word.
@@RandomStuff-i4i do you thank him for 1 Samuel 15:3?
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
"theism" is a specific type of religious belief that posits a living supernatural God that is external and involved with the world right now.
"Deism" is the belief that a supernatural, external God made the universal and then stepped away, and has no contemporaneous involvement with the world.
"Gnostic" means "one who knows". The difference is that s gnostic is supposed to KNOW, whereas a theist believes.
Putting "a" in front of words negates or inverts them.
Penn is a very smart man.
Guess again. Lost is more like it. We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
Penn has spent half his life fooling people into believing in the supernatural, in magic, in miracles and the other half showing how they are phoney he knows religions racket well!
Yeah, it's hilarious how theists think they're presenting a "gotcha" moment when they say that "Ah though, ultimately God *_DIDN'T_* allow Abraham to kill Isaac. He was only testing his faith." Which is ironically *_their_* gotcha trap, because it proves the point all along that their God is more concerned about controlling your fealty to him, rather than regard for your child. If we're going to argue that the stories are allegorical, THAT should be a powerful family message against religion.
I love that last bit Penn said; Being good for goodness sake; not for a reward or to avoid punishment. That's the difference between mature morality versus childish morality, and an example of Abrahamic religions infantilizing adults.
That's was the problem with USSR, Communist China, North Korea, the idea that morality is decided on and enforced by the government's reward and punishment. Rather than an individual's personal faith in a higher power- that's why they got rid of churches from the get go.
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe The numerous people who read the bible and can see it for what it truly is are the ones with wisdom. The bible does not have wisdom, and make no sense in a scientific or moral way. Besides the fact that that the bible is proliferated with contradictions, it is also abhorrent in the messages it attempts to spread. Sorry, but it is you who lacks wisdom as you can apparently view the bible with no critical examination.
@@SteveLomas-k6k
That wasn’t the problem with the USSR & China, that was their strength, that’s why they became powerful, that’s why they have law and order.
Take the Scandinavian countries with very low religiosity and very low crime and very high quality of life.
There are numerous studies that show a strong correlation between atheism and quality of life.
I began as an agnostic before I read the bible and was converted. I now lean towards the existence of God. I now refer to myself as misotheistic or I hate God. I've come to the conclusion that if God exists, he is a malevolent sadistic bastard who enjoys torturing his creation. God only works in mysterious ways if you are not properly applying Occam's Razor. If you accept the evil nature of the supreme deity then it all makes sense.
I was sitting in church as a teen and realized I was going to “hell”. My mother was definitely going to heaven. In heaven she expected 100% peace and happiness, yet she would know I was in hell, suffering. How could she be happy and not be a monster? That was the day it all fell apart for me. It never really made any sense, and I distrusted these super confident men and women telling me what God thinks. How did they know? Why didn’t God share this with my mom? It is damn awful to walk away when that is all you knew, but worth it.
Yeah, it is hard to walk away from.
Most of the time we reincarnate here. We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe Exactly the not helpful type of woo that repelled me. I am glad it helps you answer your questions.
@@jimpartridge9634 Everyone has a divine soul and it is very sad that you have lost touch with yours.
@@jeff_forsythePlease present your evidence for a soul. I won't even ask for proof of a divine soul, a regular one will do.
“How did you become an atheist?” was seriously the first question?
I, like all of you, was born that way. Some of us are then indoctrinated as children, whether it be by Christians, by Muslims, by Hindus, or another faith. Muslim children are taught to be Muslims. Catholic kids are taught to be Catholic. Worshippers of Quetzalcoatl learned it from their elders, too. No child is born believing in a specific deity, therefore were are atheists at birth.
So how did I become an atheist? Simple: I was born, and fortunately to parents who let me grow up and make my own judgments about magic and talking animals and gods and sin.
Yes, it seems odd that parents feel the need to teach religion to children, if there is an all powerful god surely he would take care of that and have them all believe the same from birth?
I never believed in god.
When I was young, I'd do the cross, kiss the picture of the saint & even prayed only because thats what the adults would do.
I was copying them.
I was young and didnt know any better.
God is a little like Trump in his speeches to us mortals. He can say anything without the possibility of criticism, at least by anyone who can explain why 2 and 2 equals 4.
t-rump may actually be the anti-christ, if people believe that stuff.
About abandoning your family... the most basic sin is trying to preserve your life, increase your ego. So, when Penn says it is horrific to abandon your family, he supports a normal acceptable sin because humans live that sin as culturally normal. One tries to preserve their "ego" family... I suggest watching "Near death experiences in childhood with PMH Atwater". Listen to the part when children see a bright light and a dark light. (34 minutes into the video) Then you may understand the deeper meaning of Father/Mother, Yin/Yang... Family.
Man, you know that any evangelist or apologist or theologian can refute any of your objections to the Bible. They might not be good refutations, but they're good enough for most people.
I called myself an agnostic for a long time because it kept the arguments short. I had learned that calling myself an atheist made certain types of people just redouble their efforts to ‘save’ me.
(^_^) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
I went through junior high school from 1968-1971. It was a confusing time for a teenager. We had Vietnam going on with a lot of young people who were justifiably concerned with their government. Plus we had a Jesus freaking revival. The bigger the cross, the more devout you were…I guess 🤷 to each their own.
We are not here to have God prove anything to us, we are here to show God who we are. Because someone does not have the wisdom to fathom the Bible's wisdom does not mean that it is not there, true? Falun Dafa answers all the mysteries of creation.
@@jeff_forsythe Copy-paste troller spotted
@@jeff_forsythe If God is all knowing, and is aware of everything we do....why would we have to show him who we are? Wouldn't he already know? Hmmm..
＼(^-^)／ We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
No one talks about the Gnostics (not Agnostics.)
They were shunned and banned for not following any preset doctrines, e.g.. Roman/Greek mythology, the Talmud. etc.
We Gnostics believe in being present and feeling "God" within us for the best of all mankind, the world and the universe.
Pure presence... like pulling off a really cool card trick.
Peace on earth.
Any person on the planet's idea of what or who God is is wildly speculative at best....God is a just a person's construct, and it is great to speculate...but that's about all anyone can do and remain sensible and logical in their lifetime.
I've been a big fan of Penn and Teller ever since they toured with The Residents in 1983 - Mark of the Mole Show
To accept one religion means denying the others. For example, a Christian finds the religious assertions of a Muslim silly or even dangerous. The Christian has no belief in the Muslim god. The Christian has no belief in the Muslim scriptures. The Christian is an atheist when it comes to Islam. Each religious person is effectively an atheist in the remainder of the world's religions.
5:30. Penn Gillette refers to Luke14:25-27: “there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”
The apologists will go to great lengths to tell you, “That doesn’t mean what it appears to mean.”
They are wrong. It is plain English.
The apologists want to pretend that the texts are “inspired”, that there are no inconsistencies, contradictions in the text. It is riddled with them, in fact, showing the great many story-tellers who had a hand in constructing these tales.
There are many different gods. Concept of words god is poor uneducated people method doe to lack of knowledge. Greed is the cause of all problems. 👍
(Real Religion) Spiritualty, can never be a matter of mere intellectual belief or philosophic reasoning; (religion) is always and forever a mode of reacting to the situations of life; it is a species of conduct. (Religion) embraces thinking, feeling, and acting reverently toward some reality which we deem worthy of universal adoration.
Everyone is born an a-theist. Then, depending on your cultural background, you are told that there is a God/god/gods.
That is not an evidence of any of them. They are only claims, without any proof.
(^-^)/ Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.
Remember there is a MASSIVELY larger disbelief in "god" or "gods" amongst ALL people when you consider that for the 1 god (or gang of gods) someone may believe in, there are the other few thousand they don't believe in.
I've read the bible, old & new testaments, KJV. Atheism is the only logical response to reading that book of nonsense. There are many reasons to not believe in a god but what resonates with me (and I can't remember who said this) is that there is nothing in the bible that could not have been written by people 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.
I saw a cartoon with two guys walking down the street. One had jeans, a sweatshirt and a beard(just like me). The other was younger, wearing a suit and carrying a bible. The younger guy said "Read this book it will change your life". The bearded guy replied "I did, it made me an atheist".
That is exactly what happened to me.
The bible is highly esoteric and shouldn't be read literally. Reading something and understanding what you read are completely different. Everything he said in this video shows his lack of comprehension.
So you are an accidental temporary localised reversal of entropy. Hmmm.
There's only one true deity The Flying Spaghetti Monster , Pastafarians Unite.
Glad to have found common ground with many of you in the comments. My story was a fairly easy one, as I never truly believed in a god or the bible. I'm from south Louisiana, so I grew up attending Catholic church. I seem to have always known that the bible didn't make sense, nor the claims of some invisible man always watching over me. Luckily, at the age of 24, I have been studying and am now not only firmly an Atheist, but also an anti-theist. I can say it sickens me to see the lack of love and acceptance of friends and others that I have witnessed disowned or demonized due to the convictions engrained in Christians from the bible. I'm eager to see my generation and others rising from the dogma of religion. America is currently the most Atheistic and accepting of people/science it has ever been. The world seems to be healing and I can only hope that this trend continues, although with the rise of Christian Nationalists, people like Penn Jillette and other need to be more outspoken than ever.
It’s because he has a brain.
Yes, OT and NT loves separating family relationships😮, the Christian org I was in is good in using scriptures from these and tell the members to SHUN any, even your loved ones who will leave their Bible God and their policy!
You are welcomed into a church for what you believe and are turned away because of what you know
(^-^) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
Much respect to Penn. I was raised in religion and have also read the bible many times cover to cover.
It took me decades to research my way free of religion.
It's all about love. So true you can't have morality by punishment and reward. Doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing through love is the reward.
Humanity has no chance of extricating it self from the yoke of hatred violence warfare corruption inequality economic racial cultural sexual and gender and obscene greed until we come to terms with that fact.
Good luck to us all.
I respect Penn for having the courage to actually say he believes there is no such thing instead of hiding being "nonbelief."
Do you also believe God doesn't exist?
@PapaBear-k4k
I tentatively assent to the proposition that a higher power of some kind exists, though I don't assert to know it or anything about its specific attributes. Perhaps, I am mistaken. I simply reject the notion of "nonbelief" as distinct from disbelief as intrinsically incoherent.
@@JustifiedNonetheless I think a creator is necessary, the only explanation for our existence. But that doesn't prove the Biblical God, of course. Have you read the Bible?
@@PapaBear-k4k
Open your mind, there are 100’s if not 1000’s of potential explanations for our existence and a god is somewhat low on the likelihood scale!
@@Captain101-x1o Hundreds or even thousands?! Wow! Which one do you feel is most likely?
I’m pretty sure most pastors have read the entire Bible, and have studied it intensely. I think there’s a lot to understand about the Bible that’s not actually written in the Bible, Like who the writers were, when different parts were written, the parts that are believed to be Jesus’ words etc. I think just picking up a Bible and reading it cover to cover would be pretty confusing for most. The pastors I’ve known were groomed for the job from an early age, and really raised in a bubble of isolation from the outside world.
As a life long 3rd generation Atheist, seeing other people 'come out' as an Atheist doesn't really do anything for me except be relieved that someone I respect isn't a moron.
There is a direct parallel to the Abraham/Isaac story in Judges 11'30 where Jephthah actually does sacrifice his daughter as payment for a victory in battle. That sickening story doesn't get anywhere near enough air.
Good example of a thinking man.Bravo mr.Jillette.
:-> consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.
If God really exists why would you believe a very old book written by men who were afraid of comets?
If God really does not exist why would you believe a very old book written by men who were afraid of comets?
I scanned through the bible and it wasn't impressive at all. It was so ridiculously stupid I couldn't even get into it.
＼(^_^)／ Its intelligently designed that if you master evolution it just makes you a baby doctor.
“there’s a big difference between kneeling down, and bending over.” Frank Zappa
Also “the torture never stops “
Yes, slotting into the reward punishment system, don’t really fit with …
“ I am who I am” … or anything else, often wonder how much the story of Jesus life been contrived to fit the same reward punishment idiology
Growing up, I went to a Cathic school for a short time. There, I learned that the tower of Babel was created because the king of Babel wanted to build a tower to heaven and be as great as God.
When I dated a girl in the south, she told me that the tower of Babel was destroyed because it was a monument to pagan gods.
Upon reading the Bible, I learned that the king ordered its construction because he wanted to build a monument to unite his people and create a monument to their nation, and that God destroyed it because "If they build this, nothing will seem impossible to them." With no mention of it reaching heaven at all. That's just one of the things I learned from when I read it: That everything you hear about it from believers is less about interpreting what it says, and more like being at the finish line in a game of telephone.
If I was forced to be christian, I'd be a Gnostic. They believe that the god all Christians pray to is just a lesser god who was created by the God of Everything. I just think it would be hilarious to be a Christian and at the same time talk shit about your god. 🙃
Did he explain why he doesn't believe in God or why he doesn't believe in religion? Those are two different things.