This is Why I Don't Believe in God
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Thank you so much for all this amazing content! I'd love to have a chat someday!
Could you please explain to me why you believe that refusal to worship a god if they exist is an irrational stance to you (as you claim at 5:55 onwards)? I would take those two stances as being orthogonal. After all there are alot of very real intelligences on this planet right now that I personally would not even consider worshipping. Worship has to be earned and a god could exists who, based of the state of our world, certainly does not warrant worship imo.
You seem to make a habit of making incredibly bad mistakes.
For instance, in this discussion, make the mistake of confusing refusal to worship the god of the Bible, even if it was demonstrated exist, with some bizarre denial of its existence, and refusal to acknowledge the existence of such a deity.
There are many atheists who became such after realizing that the Abrahamic god, as depicted in Biblical, Toranic, and Qu'Ranic scripture is entirely unworthy of worship because of the nature of that deity as depicted.
This video is so wrong on so many levels.
"seek and you will find.....and do everything in love"-- The Holy Bible
CBDC and mark of the beast DNA vaxxas-map. Wake up, Alex.
just realised the name change from cosmic skeptic to alex o connor. i’m glad you feel comfortable enough to use your real name, one of my favourite content creators 🐐
Read the community posts if you care.
@@SchgurmTewehrwell damn not everybody is a super fan like you with 83 comments on the channel 😭
@@HC-sb5ckYou’ve only got 14?! Clearly not a fan.
@@bankmanagerI have a fair few on this channel I think but half are troll comments so I don't think they count.
cosmic skeptic is dead, and remain dead.
As a muslim one thing I love about Alex is his demeanor and class act. He does not raise his voice, He does not disrespect the people he debates and his proficiency in verbal communication is truly remarkable and articulate.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 If jesus was God he wouldnt have died in the first place.
@@yourprince7069 Jesus died willingly to make it possible for all people to be forgiven for their sins. He didn't die because he was too weak to overcome those who were trying to kill him.
@@thomascampbell5633 So "God" had to die for the sins of his own creation because otherwise he would not have been able ( Even though he is infinite in power) to forgive his own creation of their own sins. If the world is math and logic that has to be the least logical explanation to any of "God"s decisions. No wonder do you find so many atheists in christian countries
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363The arrogance…
@4:49 as someone who has panic attacks about death and dying because I don’t know what will happen to my consciousness, I literally know for a fact that I would be a happier person if I were to be truly convinced of god’s existence. Yet, I remain unconvinced
What would you need to convince you?
@@truthreigns3465 certainly nothing you can provide, right? no offense.
@@tonoornottono are you CellaeDoors mamma? you feel the need to answer for another man like a mamma does? and provide an insult on top of being a mamma? beta male!
I was into the New Age and in a relationship with a narcissist witch. God pulled me out of this mess. The amount of supernatural stuff I've seen will probably send me to a nuthouse if I told someone like you and I used to be a normal guy before that. Anyways yeah, God is real the one from the Bible. Many people struggle with the concept of eternal hell, but its not Biblical. Either Jesus takes your punishment for your sins and you receive eternal life or you take it and perish for eternity.
@@CappieBG Do you have credible and verifiable evidence to prove your claim that god is real and is the one from the Bible? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I just discovered Alex tonight. Been snooping around his podcast and youtube vids. Very excited to dive into his work.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 you're using God's name in vain by using your UA-cam name. No mortal shall carry the name of God but he, and as such you should repent and delete your account
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363bro god is not real man😂
@@WOLF--rg1ym God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 baliw amputik tanga mo
Alex, I am a Christian. Just wanted to say that I love your videos, and from what I have seen in your videos is a very polite, respectful, extremely intelligent, empathetic man who is genuinely and unashamedly searching for the truth. Thank you for your channel and the challenging arguments that you bring up!!
stop being christian or stop being a rationalist
"Christians" murdered more people than Adolf Hitler... Sick fucks
If you have watched all his videos, heard all his arguments and are still a Christian, then perhaps there is something you are still missing?
@@DrDarrenStevens Why do you think it makes any sense to even be skeptical of God? We do not have any ability to verify the existence of God. No matter how smart we get it's just never going to be possible to know for sure one way or another. If somebody wants to have faith in God just let them have their faith because you can't prove God does not exist anyway. It takes faith either way you want to look at it. And, if God is actually real then he is way beyond our ability to fully comprehend or understand him. So, in my opinion it just doesn't make any sense to even be skeptical of this at all.
@@theonerm2 While we can not prove or disprove the general concept of God, the Christian bible and other religious texts make specific claims about this being which we can evaluate using logic and reason.
I like how polite everyone is, they don't interrupt but are here to listen to a debate and let everyone speak.
Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth and taste. Understand?
The aren't American
That's right!
Listen louder!
You heard the man!
He once married a f-ing anthill, filed for divorce a couple years later & ended up making mad stacks [ Of BS dollars // $ ;) ] for precisely two halves of a second & one minutes!
Thread lightly Mr. Bean, you are outnumbered by approximately 111 bloody Taliban fighter jets & their two cousins drumming up the javelin Jenga towers.
@@jacobhoff5070 Never stopped Piers Morgan from being a twat
@@jacobhoff5070 I think you meant: "They" as in: "They aren't American." If you need further help with grammar ask any American. Not sure where you're from, but most of them are from a place that can afford dictionaries.
Your accounts of desperately searching for god but only being met with radio silence resonates with me so hard as a former devout Christian the only reason i lost my faith was because it meant so much to me i wasn't afraid to engage with other perspectives but found myself more and more without answers. It reached a point i couldn't reconcile my belief with myself and that was a painful thing for me to come to terms with, and i find myself periodically remembering the feelings i got fro faith and i miss it so much it brings me to tears but try as i might, nothing changes, I feel in some senses still perhaps there is a god and it just isn't what we depict or know them as. But i can't subscribe to any of the proposed variations I've been presented.
Uh, HolyD.....,while searching for God, what were you expecting? Affirmation of your faith, getting what you prayed for, a heaven when you die.etc? Obviously, the God of the bible has failed you because it is a created God- a creation of Moses of what God should be: punishing, angry, impatient, destroying, acting like the devil himself (if there was one). You had a misguided faith, believing in a God that behaves like a flawed human being. Rejoice! I bring you the real God (Who) you will be happy to find in "Conversations with God" now on UA-cam and has been for a while now produced by Neale Donald Walsch (with God's supervision, of course) in audiobook. God has heard the cry of your heart and has used me to bring this Good News to you specifically. You're very welcome.
I feel you
I have also had the 'radio silence'. Having accepted Jesus as a teenager in a Christian church with good people, there seemed to be nothing else there, except community, good people, and ritual. Thats fine as far as it goes, but when you start seriously inquiring as Alex does ...
Humans have fashioned their Goddy-Gods.
If there's a real God, it's laughing at us, man!😂
If not we should be laughing on its non-existent behalf.
@@conradbulos6164Word of God through man's mouth? How very real 🤔
Wow. I commend your transparency, vulnerability, and honestly here. This is not easy to talk about so explicitly.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
... But it's not a cult. @@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
From watching a young lad doing debunks in his bedroom to Conversations with some of the greatest minds of our time. It’s been a Joy to see your career take off.
Equally joyful and inspiring to think of what is to come.
I don't want to be mean, there is certainly truth to what you're writing - but since you decided to comment under this specific video I have to point out: MacLatchie is far, far away from being a great mind. The arguments that he presented on their first debate were disturbingly shallow and immature.
@@adayah2933 Unfortunately, you're right.
He draws on the discovery institute, which is creationism masquerading as science.
@@adayah2933 fair point🤣. But he’s interviewed people like Dawkins.
@@Steventrafford That is a great mind indeed!
I am in every way a Non-Resistant Non-believer. I was raised in a religious house and dearly miss the sense of belonging and purpose. I am also fearful of living in an unmoored society that is clearly incapable of regulating itself. I am sad to say I wish it was true, know it was not, and know that we are better off if everybody believed. There have never been any voices in my head or sense of protection in my times of need despite the cries for help.
what does it mean when you say "i wish it was true, know it was not"? what does that mean that you know it was not true?
@@constipatedpotato3745 Just clearly makes his point that they don't exist. As simple as that.
@@rutomeds then how do we explain the mountain of moses in Saudi Arabia??? How do we explain all the testimonies??
@@dimensionninja4929 Testimonies aren't reliable evidence. They're just as useful as alien abduction stories. Equal credibility.
@@dimensionninja4929 Do you disbelieve other religions bc they lack evidence? According to their adherents, there is no lack of evidence, yet you are not convinced. Look at it this way. Except for your own religion, you are as anti religious as I am.
Alex's arguments are impeccable. Great video as always!
Bravo, sir. Most arguments supporting the existence of God simply rely on scripture--as if citing a book proves the claim. Your points are succinct, easily understood, and well supported by experience, common sense, history, facts, and compelling, unassailable logic. It's a delight and pleasure to listen to you speak.
Yes!!!
There is one thing that Alex didn't try in his search for God. He didn't try faith. Blind trust that God is real and that the words are true with no proof.
I hate to break the hearts of pdf file atheists, but men cannot give birth
@@SuperLifestreamyou cannot force faith authentically. I cannot “choose” to believe in something that I don’t believe in.
@@SuperLifestreamlol. At that point have faith in Islam, Buddhism, etc. Doesn’t matter!
As a Christian, I love free speech and the respect given to his lecture. It’s very important to listen to opposers and supporters of your beliefs
Share the Gospel and Jesus as the truth and the only way do you.? Pray to the Lord to give you wisdom and strength to do so. You can do it with respect.
Why?
@@lifewriter7455 There is a world in need of hope ad truth that is why. It is our respoinsilbity to take as many of you to the Kingdom of Heaven
@@lionheart93don't you see that it is utterly immoral to preach such a psychopath that punishes people because they lack of belief?
@lionheart93 How do we make this clear to you... If there is a "Kingdom of Heaven" but YOU are going to be there as God's special little favorite... we do NOT want to be there. You're describing a hell... It's bad enough that we are stuck sharing this Earth with you... you are absolutely NOT invited to my afterlife if there is one.
Religion began when the first conman met the first fool. -- Mark Twain
And as long as there are fools, there will be conman.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
I don't believe that. :) Religion probably started as a common myth, an imaginary construct, or a shared story among a group of individuals across the world to try to make sense of the world we believe in. Nobody believes in god anymore honestly. Haven't met anyone in my lifetime who does. Only people who now believe in god do because they are poor or cruel and stupid. No other way.
Everybody believes in something
@@Earthad23I believe in many things, but a god is not among them.
Alex you are brilliant, but of course you've heard this before. Love how you speak quickly and follow up your own statements sometimes with bits of clarification. And I like how you speak with speed as to be most economical with time. The suit looks great on you as well.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I believe he's rubber headed
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Luckily, there's no such place.
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details
As a Christian, I am touched to hear your experience searching for God. I truly find your first argument quite difficult to respond to when I am naturally convinced that God would reveal himself to any non-resisting non-believers. My faith is still and will surely stay unbending because of my experience, philosophical views, and historical data backing up the center of Christianism, Jesus. Still, I am very perplexed by your condition..
And loving your content !
Cheers
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
That was one of the best deliveries, I have ever heard. I was engaged the whole time. You didn't make anyone feel dumb, you made yourself incredibly likeable(in my opinion) and I will be surprised if you didn't open a few eyes in the process. Excellent speech. I feel like you can definitely call yourself an authority on this subject.
Let's repeat to those godless and souless alone hipocrite, which you does not neet respect for the follow reasons: When you see people talking contantly about something they do not even believe in you should already know that is a cult that have nothing to offer to you, but you are a western godless idiot and hipocrite how can you get it??? Real No respect for you...
Real those godless alone people are that stupids and do not deserve any kind of respects... They are all here to kiss some godless ass... they should get from the point those godless people who they like to kiss their ass, that they talk always, and are obsessed with something they did not even believe that Atheism is a fraud and a cult... (no respect for their dishonesty to get it). why they do not get it???) But I guess you are a western, always the worst... and now even in Godenier version. No respect for you....
Now, Let's repeat for those godless hipocrite who always spend so much time to talk about the nothing they think they will be once death, and run to kiss someone godless ass, because that is what their new no sense cult "called Atheism" lead those people to do...
See those godless rats do the only thing they an do run once they see a godless videos, that what you rats can do when you are lone godless idiot, you have no God and no Community. So many reasons to do not have any respect for you rat Goddenier idiot
Here other more enjoy to see how more disgusting and idiot you modern godless idiot are:
They are not called atheists but western godless and soulless modern idiots: who is a western godless and soulless idiot a) someone who fallows this new bullshit almost never existed before b) someone who does really believe God to exist cares about his or her opinion c) someone that will believe from now constantly that he will be Nothing once death, poor cursed idiot... D) someone that does not have any kind of Spiritually, (how can can someone without God or soul have any kind of spirituality??? No go no soul no spirituality (why do you even live???) E) someone who will pay afterlife infront God F) someone if he is right mostly he will Be NOTHING once death but if there is God and we are right and his or her heart will stop he will not know what to do once God will ask "why you did not believe in me" (what would you say?) (What a fool) G) someone who will feel strong now to deny God but hopefully he will not need, because if he will get down, depressed, older, alone and closer to death God is only things he get, but he is so stupid to do not get now H) someone who doesn't not even have an actual community I) someone who see atheist on Internet the term atheist and go writing some shit because he got no community... L) someone who deny his creator which we called lier m) a goddenier so a lier by definition...
M) is someone who decide to do not have by purpose a sacred things as God and for free (what a poor person!)
N) we got what you do not and give us much force and for free.
O) someone who have very much few things to believe in. Let's say that if you do not believe in God, what do you believe humans (I believe in Humanity as well, however: wars, genocide, cheating, bad talking, and so on) what hell is left?
P) someone that does not God R) therefore if you do not know God or have in your miserable life how can you deny what you do not know??
How to pity those fools and their miserable life to be so????
(No questions as you godless and soulless hipocrite, but actually answer)...
Anyway. No respect for you at all. You may not believe now, but you do not know if you will pay this modern idiocy to deny God in future... Wait and see, wait and see, you fool. (So think next time to write certain things or to be a godless and souless idiot, because there is very few things you can lean on)... if we die nothing will happen to us, as wewill nothin as you think we will be, but when your heart will stop, well infront God, when he will ask you why you did not believe in me what would you say??? You are playing with the fire, your problem Godless Fool!
Why n yuo want follow only you instincts as f** animals but they change all the time and you as human can get crazy and think killing is God... How to pity your miserable life, you Godless idiot, for real? Only a godless idiot can call God, which is all an imaginary friend, for real you are disgusting. Modernity and its idiots. (by the way this channel is getting more and more ridiculous talking about and be obsessed with something that they do not even believe... Only godless and soulless idiot do not get it, why?)... Hope you will no need God in your life because otherwise you will be fuck* up searching for the nothing you are and you believe in. No respect for you and your family, your mom and father who rise up such godless idiot.
Be ready to cry because of God is real you will be fu**d up, and all this for not believe for free and in a simple way. What poor person you are....
Np hope for you and respect for this godless generation hope for the next one to be better then you.
(you sand on Nothing, the nothing you think you will be and now cursed to think so constantly, even if you will not admit it). You are just fool yourself, how to pity your miserable godless life?
laugh and enjoy the life now, because in the future you will be scared for denying God, your creator...
They are alone... Poor modern godless idiot. No pity for them...
Their really need to kiss godless people ass .. disgusting human being.
that does not make any sense dude. God is all-mighity and all powerful he can see you and can even stop your heart in any moment, so. So think twice before be a godless and souless idiot because the world and God does not go around you and what you think about him.
But you want just fool yourself just trust none expet you that are a disgusting godless idiot No respect for you.
They really deserve to die alone without God. How can anyone can pity your miserable and godless alone life? No respect for you modern godenier, you do not deserve it... The are fighting against something they can never win, God.... What fool people! The what is so positive to do not have God, Soul (as a freaking robots), an actually community, live and die alone as a godless fool? And why do you always talk about something you do not even believe in (God)? Are you a godless and soulless modern idiot, then live like that, right?
You are into a cult where you are alone and you do not even get it. Are you that smart you godless alone idiot?
I just have enough with those people and the cult they belong to and the obsession for what they do not even believe, what hipocrites! Their just pathetich alone human being. No pity for them. Of course God made it, who alse your mother made it??? Anyway as always you godless and soulless alone idiots, have nothing to offer to us, to yourself, and to the world. No respect for this godless alone pathetic generation. That how this new Cult "atheism" makes you alone idiot, and with nothing actually to say, because you are based on the nothing you think you will be once death. (but they love to kiss godless ass, they run for it, Disgusting) No respect for you and the family who raised you so stupid and alone...
Reallly they have nothing to offer to us, to the world and to themesleves, that stupidity and lonlyness.
(this channel is getting more and more ridicolous and who said the opposite is a godless alone hipocrite).
we godless and souless modern alone people are obsessed with someone who get riched be obsessed and talking constatlly about somethin he and you do not even believe. You are ridicolous. Another reason to not be like you.
Atheism leads to Nothing.
No God
No Spirituality
Not an actually Community
Only Loneliness and Obsession for God and what you do not even believe anymore.
But yes be disgusting Godless ass kisser...
Let me ask some questions (be honest to answer): the first question will be... how does you feel to have less sacred things in your miserable alone godless life then us? And then why are you into a cult that leads to nothing? And why you are a part on something that have nothing to offer to us believers, but loneliness?? and finally how can you deny what you do not know or have in your alone godless life? and why God should care about what you think to exist? Go and be honest once in your life you Goddenier.
(Do not write to this message if you actually have nothing to say, as you always godless people do... What waste of lives yours, for real).
If you had some dignity you must be ashemed to deny God... But you do not have any, right???!!
I am more of an authority.
@@johnbeans2000 Why only godless and souless alone idiot do not get those questions are a trap, and have the only reason to exist to let godless people talk about something to forget the emptiness this cult called atheism give to you, and also it value (0)??? Another reason to do not respect you godless ass kiss and be like you... God is always what you do not know, obsessed as you are with your touch attached to other godless ass...
@@johnbeans2000why so
@@quickblackfox2554bigger pee pee equals greater authority
I’ve been watching your videos for years and I gotta say, you’ve really grown into a fantastic public speaker. Can’t wait to see more of you!
GOD bless you in JESUS name ✝️❤️
@@splashyvvs9493Blud really just presuposed the Jesus being God🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@@splashyvvs9493 may Dionysus bless you with wine and orgies
Obsessed Stalker?
he is full of BS using weird words to distract you,
a simple fact that proves we were created is the big bang, no one will ever explain it.
Its so lovley to hear a debate where everyone isn't speaking over each other and isn't shouting
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
Nah I’d rather not shame myself for arbitrary 2000 year old rules tampered with over like 4 language translations.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I could say the same thing about allah 🤷
Pretty solid delivery. Well done.
By the way the word you were looking for in the beginning was "distribution."
I loved this debate when I first saw it. You have been the number one inspiration in me starting my own channel, and I just wanted to say thank you sincerely for all your work!
What debate?
@@jerrylong6238 this is a clip from his 2nd debate with jonathan Mclatchie.
As a subscriber to both channels I would enjoy this conversation a lot
Yo, MindShift!
"You have been the number one inspiration in me"
OK, but what was the number one inspiration for Alex?
Starts with a D, ends with evil.
The scariest response I heard a Christian say for why there is suffering, is that all suffering is good and not evil, just as cutting a person open might be ultimately good if purpose was to remove a tumor; suffering is ultimately good and there is no evil cause it’s all part of a “good” gods plan. Therefore people should embrace and rejoice in suffering cause god wants it.
Straight out of the Mother Theresa hand book, and also flat out contradicting the bible.
As with nearly all statements, it can both be supported by and in direct contradiction of the Bible. God is both the creator of all things Good and Evil and also Evil only exists in the world because of sin, which is a necessity if we are to have free will.
sounds like Machiavelli to me
yes indeed. embrace suffering for it is a grace from eternal death. only through undergoing suffering do we have the strength to be an example of goodness
I think you are mixing suffering and pain. Suffering is a response to pain, which is unavoidable, but the response don't have to be suffering.
In fact, sometimes suffering is not doing the painful thing... if you run away instead fight for your family, suffering will be you being a coward, not avoiding pain.
Alex, you are the most eloquently intelligent young person I have come across in a long time. I have listened to a lot of theism vs atheism debates and have never come across the "non-resistant believer" argument.
As someone who longs for more critical thinking in this world, I will surely share your content with others who need to hear it. Thank you.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦♂️
@@neil1killick This is important Nick
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 "all humans have sinned". Really? Take a second to think about what you've said there.
@@neil1killick Obviously kids are in heaven for they are sinless, im worried for peoplelike yourself who are of age
People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.
I'm a lifelong atheist, even as a child with parents diligently trying to indoctrinate me, I just simply could not adopt a belief that made no sense......and now 60 years later I'm even more convinced that its just absurd nonsense.
Same for me except I'm teen right now ❤
We have the world we see and science along with logic to explain it. Also, a book (the Bible) claiming the supernatural exists along with a wizard like creator. Crazy, right? Except time and the universe had a beginning according to science. What existed before time and the universe began?? Actually think about it. Even with science and logic, there is the unexplained and supernatural. Speaking of absurd nonsense the latest nonsense "science" has come up with is that there was a "mysterious energy" that created the universe out of nothing. Suddenly, the idea of an eternal God doesn't seem so crazy now, does it?
who else have you tried to seek from? After your parents, who else?
@@jambibaub8753 Seek what from? More made up BS, just in a different form? I think not.
@@MG-ot2yr i think you’ve made up your mind in currently remaining arrogant and feeling superior. Your opinion and preference, of course.
I think the three points you made are very powerful. A god who genuinely wants to save people (2 Pet 3:9) has no room to hide from any seeker...and yet, completely hidden.
I spent twenty-six years as an Evangelical believer. I wasn't even an unresistant non-believer, I was all in - and even so I remember trying SO hard to convince myself that prayer was not just talking to myself, working SO hard to convince myself that it was all true, striving to believe that I had an actual relationship with a being whom I could not see and who never once spoke to me like a person, never communicated to me clearly at all, wanting SO desperately to hear from him just one time, just once...begging for some assurance...and nothing...AND being told that I should just accept that as part of the "relationship."
It occurs to one, eventually, that this "relationship" is in every point indistinguishable from an imaginary friend relationship...except we use a name from an old book rather than just calling it "Harvey" or something.
Your efforts as a skeptic to get in touch with this being are impressive indeed.
Well said my friend, and I suggest that we should all adopt the name "Harvey" for this imaginary being we call God. Would take a lot of the sting out for sure.
Why would you "want" assurance from God? You want to tell me that you understand who God is and ask him to come and give YOU assurance? Cos he has nothing better to do? God is Santa Clause that YOU have a right to ask for anything and if he doesn't answer then " OK, I don't believe anymore"...seriously? Repent of your pride and humble yourself....
@@platzhirsch4275That is not what he meant by it. There is a Verse which Alex also started his Argumentation with. “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you".
But yet when people honestly starting to search for that God all we discover are either chemical or physical occurences which are shaping our perception of our surroundings.
@@platzhirsch4275i also recognized that you keep telling people in your comments to "humble" themself. Isit not a contradiction to the bible which tells you not to act like a Judge? Who are you to know wether those people are humble or have not humbled themself before God?
@@platzhirsch4275First of all the god he is referring to is one who's supposed to be benevolent , a father figure of sorts. Would you speak to you mum or any other guardian and they keep ignoring you constantly if they truly loved you. Certainly not .
Besides which god is one support to worship, the Christian god, Yahweh or Allah and Brahma. Why would a god who desires worship like the biblical god not show up to claim it in the midst of thousands of other gods ?
BTW Which god should he repent to, Yahweh or Allah?
Isn't it also wonderful coincidence that out of all the world's religions you were indoctrinated into the right one.
And if you resort to the claim " It's not a religion. It's a relationship." The above comment already debunked that claim.
The first point is exactly the reason I stopped believing in gods, there is no answer, nothing definitive that points necessarily to god. At the beginning it was disappointing, but now I feel free and at peace. Brilliant lecture.
When I turned atheist, what scared me the most was the concept of no afterlife. Perhaps that's why people are hesitant about dropping their religious beliefs
@@peepdawg8995 I don't see why that would be a problem. I was an atheist who believed in an afterlife, when I was younger.
@@rockysandman5489 The thing is, the reason I stopped being religious is because religion is very illogical and inconsistent. Science gives evidence for everything, but religion is about faith. Unfortunately, there's no scientific evidence of the afterlife.
@@peepdawg8995I don't understand why anyone would fear that
I have never believed in a god ….. nor when I see a fkn upper class middle fkwhit say otherwise I might change my fkn mind
Im a atheist, I dont like cults or religions at all, I always have this sense that all they want is power, to control other people, and this is sickening to me. Very nice video and arguments. I enjoyed a lot!
What do you say of a religion that demands the rich people to give up 2.5 percent of their wealth to the poor every year?
A religion that demands people to stay just even on themselves or their closed ones?
A religion that forces the punishment to be imposed on the offender whoever he is?
@@abdoomar8899 I say is a good religion, and everyone who wants to join should have the right to do so. But religions have a negative and intrisic problem: they are runned by power hungy man. And I wont be masturbating anyones ego. The people who needs a leader, guideance and a community to participate, by all means, do so, but I will stay far way( wich is good for both sides, some theist people get offended/scared when someone tells they are a non-believer ). And thank you for your question, took me a while to think about and was prety cool :D
Do not confuse the workings of men with the workings of God. Get a red letter bible and read the words of Christ, skip over everything else if you want. People have been trying to find fault with Jesus Christ for 2000 years, it's not possible.
@@abdoomar8899 Abdo, I am a Christian. I'm guessing you are talking about the Islamic religion. I say there are a lot of good things and some things I shy away from. I would say anything that leads one to do good is from Allah (God) who I believe loves ALL his Children.
@@noonespecial4272 What work of God? The air? The nature? The intelligent design? All theory without proof. Not to mention the miracles, that dont happen anymore.. Where is the god whom made manna and quails rain from the sky in the middle of the desert? The one who mulplied bred and fish? The one that made a man get eaten by a whale and then spited safe and sound? In the bible do have some literal registers about kingdoms and cultures, as proven by science, but people back in the day loved to adding to the story. All we have to day is people cashing money from the faithful sheeps. I dont get why religious want someone to believe in something blindly just because believing or participating in the cerimonies fells good. Its all in your mind, if you look outside the box you see. Theres is no God, is just us, trying our best to survive this little and unique time we have in this existence. You can pray and starve, you sure start to have visions , if you place a camera while doing so, its just you speaking alone and hallucinating from hanger. All religions are the same, they have to have a leader to command the sheeps. Im so so sorry for the long text, but as you can see I like to expose how I fell about religions :D
TLDR: I dont think the bible is trustworthy 100%
the baby crying in the background is what convinced me.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
I love how Alex changed over the years; from a teenage atheist filming youtube videos to giving talks in universities. I've pretty much entered uni the same time he did and I got to explore quite a lot in terms of science and relgion - having done a biological anthropology related course in London. I really connect to him and I really respect the path he has taken to achieve where he is now :)
Yeah, following his path further, he will be a practicing Christian soon 🙂
@@WetterZuLaub nah, he is genuinely trying to search for god so he wont find it lmfao
@@WetterZuLaub if it's backed by the scientific method yeah I guess so. Haha
@@hc4138 „I really was honest about my atheism, but then winter came and whenever I was out with friends, I felt cold. I didn‘t bother to buy a warmer jacket, so I started to visit the nearest church, whenever I started to be cold. And I really must say, it‘s much more comfortable. So while I DO SAY, that I stand behind my arguments for atheism, I also DO FIND myself spending much time in church while praying.“
Alex O‘Connor
@@WetterZuLaub uh?
THIS IS HOW WE SHOULD EXPLAIN OUR BELIEFS AND PRINCIPLE. WE DON’T NEED SHOUTING TO MAKE SENSE. THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO.
I don't know if you're deliberately ironic, but anyone using only capital letters comes across as shouting.😂
I really hope he is being ironic it made me laugh haha
THIS IS A GREAT FUCKING COMMENT. WE DON'T NEED TO FUCKING SHOUT TO MAKE A POINT AND WE DON'T NEED TO CURSE. WE ARE CALM, REASONABLE, AND CIVIL PEOPLE AND WE CAN RESPECTFULLY LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S FUCKING OPINIONS EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH THEM. REASON AND MATURITY WILL BE OUR GUIDES. FUCK.
ABSOLUTELY! GREAT FUCKING POINT!! ITS NICE TO NOT HAVE TO FUCKING SHOUT TO CONVERSE ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS!!!!!!!!
NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THIS ONE. WHY THE HELL PEOPLE SHOUT IN ORDER TO PROVE THEIR POINTS? IT SHOULD BE CALMLY DISCUSSED AND SHOULD BE MATURELY DEALT WITH. EVEN THE STRAY DOGS CAN HOWL. WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE THEN?
This is the best articulation of a thought that I have held for many years. That it’s not the catastrophic life and culture altering events that to me disprove theism - with those events, at least certain lessons can be learned, and a greater truth could be taught - it’s mundane/menial things that human beings (and animals) are subjected to daily. The much more personal things… What “God” decides that I should be born with, asthma, or that some child has a clef, or that people would have arthritis, or the old lady whose rewarding life experiences are being stripped away from her by dementia, or that we are built in a way that makes it difficult for us to avoid pain and injury.
Even if our reward for all of these detriments is a blissful afterlife, what real point is there to making our earthly existence this complicated and at times painful?
In my mind, this doesn’t necessarily disprove theism and God, but it does call into question to major things. First, the idea that any God, who supposedly loves us, would subject us to such faults and perils in our world & universe. And the second that we are somehow so incredibly flawed yet we are still created in God‘s image.
Still Christian. I do believe I have the answers to these points. Kinda busy rn, but if you want me to explain or if you feel I’m wrong, go ahead and reply. But I do respect this man and his demeanor as well as his class. Very good presentation.
Alex is one of my favorite UA-camrs. He’s so polite and well spoken! Also not sure why I need to add this disclaimer, but I am a Christian. This is just an expression of how much I value the conversations Alex brings about.
No need to feel apologetic abt being Christian be proud that ur a beliver and follower of christ follow persuit and declare boldly of who our lord and saviour is
@@charline._1111 not feeling apologetic, just putting out a disclaimer
@@charline._1111 YOUR lord and saviour. Not OURS. Please be considerate
@@hihihihi3806 You do relise that he wasn't nessaserily talking about you, don't you? "our" doesn't include you if you are not a Christian.
God does not hide from those who seek Him.
I respect this guy as he is respectful in return. He doesn't run down peoples beliefs or malign them in anyway, as he just voices his own experience, and doesn't go all anti-religious on you.
Don’t let this fool you. He’s part of the world and he still has an agenda. Atheist are out there causing more of a falling away from faith. Don’t forget this was taught in history. Stalin was a great influencer in atheism. He pushed this force fed this to vulnerable children to schools across the board. In todays world satan can sometimes make things appear innocent and seem inoffensive. Jesus said only a few make it to life. This is because only a few are not drawn to the things of the devil. Keep your eyes open and your spirit in alert mode. Gods day will come as a thief in the night. We are nearing the tribulation period. This is where the clear division will be between Those who love God and those who don’t. Those who will be set for life and those set for their end. God is the life source. Rejecting him one rejects life. Don’t let the devil entice you to the way that leads to death.
The thing I find totally disingenuous about him is he ignores the pink elephant in the room: quantum physics has long debunked materialism and the atheist reliance upon it many decades ago!
@alexkane84 What? It did? You'd think that would be big news. Where can I find this information?
@@alexkane84 then you don't understand quantum physics at all, because that's not what it shows. a basic understanding of its principles goes to show that classical determinism is not sufficient enough to describe quantum mechanics and particles on a quantum level of measure.
@@sawyersimpkins9428 heard of a small thing called the Nobel Prize ??
Hello Alex,
I have a question. I really enjoy your work and it does motivate me to follow on the idea of irrigating the deserts. But I wonder where to start.
Quick video?
Write down and create a series that I film?
I'm actually afraid of backlash, and if not having the right arguments at the right time.
How did you approach this problem?
It's a challenge to talk about it to heavily childhood indoctrinated adults
“You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe”
― Carl Sagan
To be honest, most are independently of religion.
If a study came out tomorrow saying the moon was made of cheese, and it proved 100% its made of cheese, how many adults do you think would actually change their mind ?
Like, how many adults still say Pluto is a planet ? Haha, and thats not even based on evidence
I love the nod to Christopher Hitchens with the repeat of "Nothing!" at 9:13. Extremely powerful, well said O'Connor.
Well picked. I had exactly the same feelings hearing that. And apt too as Alex in my mind has now become, as hitchens was, atheism's best orator.
@@brentvercAgreed!
He hasn’t looked at Islam yet, that’s why.
Good one 😅
@@samhangsterI think he might have already.
You are becoming one of my favorite Atheist UA-camrs. I am a Christian Theist, and I appreciate you raising these arguments for discussion. Looking forward to more content and more food for thought.
Seeking friendship with the world?
@@_sky_blue_Right, cause what's happening here is what James is talking bout....
@@_sky_blue_ If your god cannot withstand questioning then perhaps your position is not as rock-solid as you had once assumed
@@xXEGPXx who are you that you can decide when I want to speak?
@@_sky_blue_ What the fuck are you talking about?
Alex, thank you for your thoughtful and patient search for the truth! The journey that you described is one to which I think we can all aspire. I did find myself wondering as you were describing your experience of seeking: What exactly were you seeking? That is, what response were you expecting from God, that would have convinced you that He does exist and desires a relationship?
I ask not because I'm trying to lay the blame on you, but because I have known quite a few people who believe in a God of some kind, and it seems that their experiences are quite divergent. That is, while they all seem convinced of His existence, their experiences are various and, in some cases, utterly unique. I think that some people, at least, experience God's presence in their lives without recognizing it, as it does not look or feel like they expect it to.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
This is the best articulation of a thought that I have held for many years. That it’s not the catastrophic life and culture altering events that to me to disprove theism - with those events, at least certain lessons can be learned, and a greater truth could be taught - It’s the litany of mundane/menial things that human beings (and animals) are subjected to daily. The much more personal things… What “God” decides that I should be born with asthma, or that some child has a clef, or that people would have arthritis, or the old lady whose rewarding life experiences are being stripped away from her by dementia, or that we are built in a way that makes it difficult for us to avoid pain and injury…?
Even if our reward for all of these detriments & punishments is a blissful afterlife, what real point is there to making our earthly existence this complicated and at times painful?
In my mind, this doesn’t necessarily disprove theism and God, but it does call into question two major things. First, the idea that any God, who supposedly loves us, would subject us to such faults and perils in our world & universe. And the second that we are somehow so incredibly flawed yet we are still created in God‘s image.
There are a lot of really good points, not enough to really shake my faith, but really made me wrestle with it. The best point you brought up was the one that many people who actively seek God and want to know him are left with little to no response. I don't have a good answer, all I know is that I do feel that God has shown himself to me in part, enough for me to pursue a relationship with him.
I think that if someone trully does everything in hand to find god he ends up finding him. For me it took some time between when i converted to religion and when i trully got faith that god exists
Which god was it that shown enough of itself for you to be convinced? I'm going to guess it was the god you were brought up to believe in.
@@colnixon8989 I dont know about others but at least i wasnt raised into religion and changed religions throughout my whole life
Our creator said in Quran:
"Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115)
"Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 )
"Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. And whoever is removed away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he indeed is successful. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion" (Quran 3:185)
"We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156)
"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191)
"Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!"
"O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6)
"Their messengers answered, ‘Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10)
Prophet Muhammad said (pbuh):
“When God loves one of His slaves, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
@@colnixon8989try it for yourself and find out.
I too have very carefully and sincerely looked for the presence of god. I read the bible. I prayed. I attended services. I listened to lectures and read books on faith. I had conversations with peers, clergy and even some fairly high ranking church authorities. I can even remember, as a child, begging Jesus through wracking sobs and flooding tears to let me feel his presence as so many of my community have experienced. Nothing. Every time I bent my neck, clasped my hands and closed my eyes it was always just me.
because jesus is not god.
@@lj14 Clearly. There is no such thing as a "god" and that is plain to any honest investigation.
Thank you. The further the world advances, the more people will realize what an ancient joke religion is.
Please read my reply to @art0Vtrolling on this topic here.
@@oranges557hey man Im not saying God exists I mean who really does. But if the sh$tshow Ive seen over the last couple years is an indication of what non believers can give to fill the vacuam that removing that belief system of god has created? I think Ill just keep relying on the belief system of God
Very interesting questions, thanks for sharing. (Catholic there :) )
Is there a chance that you debate with John Lennox? I haven't found a video where he he lost a debate Vs an Atheist or did he just win because of the video cut?
I tear up when you share your walk. This is the second time I've heard this clip. It choked me up last year; it does the same this year. Thanks for sharing, Alex.
I watched the original back when it came out, but I still remember McLatchie uncomfortably resorting to the "well, you just didn't believe hard enough" argument on the first point. It was clear he knew that was a poor argument, but really it's either that or accuse Alex of lying.
I also remember attending church irregularly with my grandmother as a child. I was a casual believer then. My parents were not overly religious, but my grandmother was (and is), so I had no reason to question it. Every so often, I remember the preacher inviting everybody to close their eyes while he spoke, trying to instill the feeling of God in the room, and at the end, he would invite anyone in the congregation to stand up and approach the altar to...reconfirm their belief or something like that. I distinctly remember feeling nothing other than social pressure. I felt like I SHOULD be feeling something, and I was always tempted to stand to hide the fact that I felt nothing. But I was also very shy, and didn't want to draw attention to myself, so I never did.
I think about that a lot, and I always wondered how many people felt the same thing. Did they initially stand due to social pressure, or to hide the fact they couldn't feel anything? And once they received that acceptance, is that what kept them there? Or is belief a matter of simply faking it until you convince yourself it's true? If I stood up, is that what I would have done?
I actually felt the exact same thing when I went on a ski trip with my youth group in New Mexico. There were youth groups from all over the country attending. The part of the trip that I remember most was us sitting in an auditorium with a couple thousand people. At the end of it they had everybody stand up walk to the front and lineup I'm one of 20-30 lines. Each line had a youth leader at the front's taking turns with each individual to reflect on everything we had learned to that day. The entire experience just gave me really creepy vibes and like you said all I felt was social pressure to play along. It was actually uncomfortable enough that I ended up being the only person and the auditorium sitting in my chair. I just couldn't bring myself to walk up there cuz it felt wrong.
It also really pissed off our pastor who pulled my older brother aside and tried to convince him to come make me go up.
When I finally did walk up there I just stared at the youth leader with a blank look for a few long awkward seconds. Ended up walking away without praying with him.
Similar to you I was never able to get that experience out of my head.
Come to Catholic Church. You don't need to feel God to love Him.
No! Whatever you do, DO NOT go to a Catholic church
I am curious if Alex would ever consider researching Gnostic Christianity? I think he would find it insightful if he looked into either Valentinian Gnosticism or Rosicrucianism or other streams of Esoteric Christianity...
I really enjoy your work, it's always interesting. As an ex - Christian, I've come to realise my faith in Jesus was a crutch to move forward in life, instead of wallowing in depression or unforgiveness for myself and others. Faith in Christ was quite practical for me. Now, I'm agnostic but I can't say 'people could do without God' because of the practical benefits of believing, a reason to get up in the morning. The delusion is what I'm most concerned about, and the hypocrisy of people who claim to believe in a God that can love and reveal itself to other's is always going to intrigue me. I'd be very interested in you having an interview with a non-denominational church pastor on this, lol
agnostic as in you dont care if there is a God or not ? and you go about living your life as though he does not exist ? If so then what will be your reaction on judgement day ?
@@pankaja7974kind of irrelevant. Also, I don't think you understand what agnostic means.
@@falxonPSN please can you explain when he says agnostic what he means?
Your faith in Christ was a crutch?
Faith in Christ WAS practical?
Now you turned agnostic?
Far out, you must be confused …..
BTW, Alex won’t be able to lift your confusion in the long run. Been there asking people like Alex for advice only to realise that they are more confused than what I was.
You should trust God to to reveal himself to you NOT men, especially confused wannabe Philosophers.
@@falxonPSN where are you O falxon ? I am waiting to hear from you the definition of agnostic as justdoit understands it
One of the greatest videos explaining my situation that I've ever seen. I love this term "Non Reluctant, Non Believer." That is me. When I try to explain to Christian friends I really would love for it all to be true(Christianity with Jesus and Heaven) but the thinking part of me can't believe it no matter how hard I try. Without exception with every Christian it's always something I am doing wrong such as "Well have you read the Bible? I mean the entire Bible?" If only these people could grasp the time and energy I've spent trying to embrace the religion of my culture and yet have come up empty. I always close with this line: "If there is a God who created me and wants me to know him, he knows exactly what it would take for me to believe in him, yet for some reason he fails to submit that condition so either he does not exist or he wants me to continue as an atheist."
Believing means not having information, you just have to believe in something. Conscious AI with total freedom like us in virtual universe can belive it has creator (real information would be many humans) Given direct information, commands and rules would not make free will possible. You would be constanty limited by knowledge of your creator, you would not act by who you really are. How could we trust conscious AI if it is bring to our level of existence with access all information and not first learn everything by it self like us and show what it truly growns to be.
When firs conscious AI exists that is when atheism has to be redefined. Atheist can still keep arguing can creators have creator.
Many of Alexs points are just about arguing bad design by human view. In human and conscious AI it sure can have bad design and we can do experiments how our idea of good design would work.
One of the best things I've found about ChatGPT is that you can interact with it about the Bible. The concept of Adam & Eve in Judaism is used as an introduction to moral choice and death in childbirth. Pauline Christianity decided to conflate that to an inheritable condition that took the death of Jesus to absolve. Without that little detail, Jesus' death becomes moot and unnecessary.
@@engineering5090 That's the problem with belief alone to some people. They need something solid to form the core of their perception of existence. Seeking that leads to more empyrical concepts to believe in; science, math, philosophy as examples. I often wonder about certain aspects of heaven mentioned in the bible that aren't at the forefront of religious debate. Heaven, and what becomes of your soul there after you die. Some people might be deceived by the conflation of earthly concerns like reuniting with loved ones and generally carrying on care-free, when (in my opinion) the afterlife is effectively inscrutable, as we can't effectively communicate with the dead. To me, the undercurrent in the Bible doesn't illustrate Heaven in a clear and concise way, leaving room for assumptions. In the Bible, Matthew 22:30, it's written "in the resurrection, people "will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.". Angels have an inscrutable agenda and time gets meaningless in Heaven anyways, so to think it's gonna be a perpetual good time with loved ones seems a bit short-sighted.
@@engineering5090 This is a bit of a moot point seeing as we'll surely never be able to tell if an AI is conscious, seeing as we can't tell if others are conscious. Consciousness is totally subjective.
Our dumb ancestors didn't have the brain power to truly understand what omnipotence really means nor the concept of infinity and infinite possibilities! They also thought time and space were separate entities. It makes sense religions are full to the brim with plot holes and bad writing based on the intelligence of lack thereof of our ancestors who had far less knowledge then we have today.
If one has omnipotence, then one has COMPLETE control over time and space, meaning complete control over EVER SINGLE possibility, past present and future all at once and this is what we got, not a version of everyone's best but a instead a complete shitshow.
Having complete control of time and space means there is no "free will" under a god! So that BS that other person talking about is as much BS as the concept of belief! Everything has already happened in the perspective of a god and rather than take the best versions of people through their choices, we get the logical fallacy of "free will" argument from an omnipotent being.
The problem with belief is that for ALL lies to be considered truth, belief is THE requirement otherwise they are just mere lies! It is as simple as that, you have no real reason to believe something, nothing to gain, peddlers of beliefs have everything to gain from you. Anyone that wants to manipulate or exploit you will tell you that you have to believe something and they will try to guilt trip you to doing it!
Your skill as a rhetorician is a wonder to behold! BIG LOVE to you!
The Devil is also a good rhetorician.
@@voxpopuli8132 You're in a cult.
@@voxpopuli8132 got any evidence for that assertion? or that the devil exists at all?
@@voxpopuli8132was Jesus not a good rhetorician? Did God create his son in a way that would make him less capable of converting the masses? I would think an all loving god would obviously given his son considerable rhetorical talent.
@@frank_6298 I think the term rhetorician focuses primarily on technical skill. Jesus, of course, was a good speaker, a good rhetorician, but he was much more than that - the son of the living God. Whereas the Devil, being a good seducer, is a crafty rhetorician indeed. He can use terms smartly to deceive people.
Is there an email that I could contact you by, sir? I have an experience with this that could perhaps be useful for your understanding along with mine. Thank you, sir.
Alex, I am so sorry that you have not gotten to experience the presence of God. These conversations make me want to give you a huge hug and to tell you that you are so so loved. I am so happy to hear you are searching for Him, and I hope you will never stop.
God works in a lot of mysterious ways because He is the Creator of the universe that is so expansive that when we are looking at a star, it's not even in real time due to the expanse of space. That same God that created that has a plan for everything. Reading these comments, you have a lot of Christians sharing their faith and reaching out, not to disprove you, but sheerly because they have experienced what it is to be loved (even if it is just a speck of sand in the all the beaches of the Earth), and we are so wanting you to experience it. Thank you for being so polite and respectful of our faith.
I will pray for you that you will experience God in a real way like we all have. Keep searching, and we love you.
How many times have you prayed for him in the last 8 days?
Feeling what People call gods presence is nothing more than emotional manipulation or self manipulation when you put your brain to the task of singing and praying etc.. you can create goosebumps a feeling of awe, love joy, and a light tingley feelings on your head and all this can result in tears of whatever you happen to be feeling joy sorrow peace etc.. nearly all religions have this, the experiences may be real but to ascribe them to only one God is very self important and there are better more natural explanations.
I once was a born again Christian, Having suffered for much longer than Job ever did! For the past 15 years with M.E./CFS with no end in sight( debilitating flu like fatigue, all sorts of debilitating pain,forced to be lying down 80% of the time) (Lost friends, No Job or purpose,No money, No children, No hobbies, No exercise, the list goes on)this gives you perspective that only those who have suffered can have. I only recently stopped getting on my knees every night beging god for Healing and for
Spiritual help and reassurance that he is with me. I didn't get either prayer answered. Another main issue for me for those 15 years is the fact that I had drummed into me the idea of eternal life in jesus or Eternal torment and pain! So waking up each day feeling severely punished and completely alone spiritually. If there is a God he allowed me to struggle with this feeling of condemnation whilst struggling with my physical and mental health problems. Only recently did I come across a book by a believing pastor Edward William Fudge_Hell a Final Word.
I now don't believe jesus preached eternal torment but he preached eternal Death (which is an eternal punishment) as a posed to eternal Life. But on reading this book and others on this issue I realised how wrongly the books that made up the bible have been interpreted by Theist theologians not true scholars of history. So even though I was comforted with this new and much more plausible and reliable interpretation of God on the issue of the afterlife. I couldn't help but look further into how the bible actually came together. I always thought the apostles actually wrote the gospels that is what I was taught by those that must have known the truth. I won't go on much more but i would advise anyone with an open mind and questions don't hide them in the back of your mind because they are uncomfortable. Try reading real historical scholars such as Bart Ehrman his book on Misquoting Jesus and other books are historical and unbiased as he used to be a Christian. This is my truth God doesn't answer prayers I've never seen real evidence of a limb regrowing or blind eye seeing, only ambiguous claims that have better more natural explanations. I WAS BLIND BUT NOW I SEE.
Wishing all those suffering reading this would be given their lives back you aren't alone those that also suffer believe you and are with you atleast in thought 🤞❤
I don't think you have actually experienced God's presence either. Not in reality. Only in your mind did you have that experience. He can't because he is too smart.
Religion does NOT make the world better. It covers up reality and creates illusions. Humans have improved society through science, logic, reason, and the pursuit of provable facts. Religion is a hindrance to all good pursuits of anything. Losing religion is a GREAT THING. CELEBRATE INTELLIGENCE AND FACT. They are truly amazing things and have actually saved millions of lives. Unlike religion and its endless lies and myths. SAVE HUMANITY - END RELIGION
(2:26) Did someone play "Woo Boost" by Rusko?
Loved this video!
Respect from an ex Muslim
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How were you able to disprove the existence of God?
If you don’t believe in God because of suffering, it is you that has defined God as incapable of causing people to suffer.
@Spyrix-rx3rd no, it's the endless contradictory signals. It's the words in the the text not matching what's on the screen, but if belief does you some good, then keep on believing, belief made me question, and that's done me some good.
@@Spyrix-rx3rd I don't need to disprove what has never been proven in the first place.
The problem of evil isn't my issue with the Islamic god. It is the contents of the Quran, hadiths, sirah, scholarly tafsirs, etc That make it glaringly obvious that this is a man made product that has very little to do with anything "divine"
@@thenun1846ok if ur really a Muslim how much chapters are there in the Quran and I bet ur gonna search google
Oh the cadence and music of reason! A true balm to a seeker's mind. Amen. So to speak.
Please explain deliverance. How does it work? People have explained bring delivered from strongholds. How did that happen?
You're searching Alex and I appreciate how profound and thoughtful your discourse is. I like this Muslin saying that goes, "Whoever does a work based on what he knows from his knowledge, God causes him to inherit a knowledge he didn't know he had."
I think you can replace the word God with Universe or our material reality that you seem to be profoundly enamored with. Your discourse comes from a place of love and I hope that peace finds you in your days.
Religion does NOT make the world better. It covers up reality and creates illusions. Humans have improved society through science, logic, reason, and the pursuit of provable facts. Religion is a hindrance to all good pursuits of anything. Losing religion is a GREAT THING. CELEBRATE INTELLIGENCE AND FACT. They are truly amazing things and have actually saved millions of lives. Unlike religion and its endless lies and myths. SAVE HUMANITY - END RELIGION
The equivalent of the Christian "seek and you shall find".
I'm a pretty firm theist, and respect Alex. He is a respectable young atheist gentleman and is sincere in his search for the truth.
I was a theist until my teenage years, then I became an atheist, and came back to theism again in my 30s. I'm in no place of judging anyone. But I'm happy about my path. The idea of God has changed too throughout the years and it's more beautiful and vast now.
@@fernandooliveiralino Indulging in that process is what makes life meaningful
I felt like sharing some of my thoughts about this from my christian perspective:
I think there's a bit of misconception about how to find God and what to expect from it.
A lot of people expect that when they search for God that they will be met with some sort of supernatural experience or emotion.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that is what happens.
The bible tells us to put our trust and faith in Jesus, who died for our sins so that we are forgiven of those sins.
If we do not put our faith in him, we do not believe in him.
To believe in him we simply need to look for him, but where do we find him?
We find him first in the bible; Faith comes by the hearing (reading) of the word as Paul said (Romans 10:17)
If you hear (read) the word and do not believe, then there is no faith and God won't be found outside of the bible.
(Yes there are special cases ofcourse but for the sake of simplicity I won't go into that now)
The bible is God's message for us which tells us who he is, who we are, whats wrong and how it's fixed.
If we try to find God in some other way, how can we know for sure that what we find is God?
Some people trust in some sort of experience for their faith and when asked what their basis is for their faith they might recall that experience and trust in that, this is not a biblical definition of faith and how it's found.
The only 'supernatural' experience with God we may experience (but not always consciously) is the work of the holy spirit, which transforms the believer into a new person.
But this does not happen before someone actually believes, this happens afterwards and is an ongoing process until death.
On the point of suffering:
God indeed allows suffering, humans have free will and we cause a lot suffering in the world.
Also lets not forget that we live in a cursed world, where sin dwells.
Even in the bible satan is called the god of this world, he rules here, until the second coming of Christ.
It's hard to understand how terrible of a thing our sin is to a holy god, terrible enough to have made a gap between us and God.
So the next step is to determine how, exactly, anyone can believe that the Bible is the "word of God" other than "because it says that it is". That's what I spent years trying to figure out.
@@colbyboucher6391study history of the Bible and the manuscript evidence.
The accuracy of the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus thousands of years after being written all perfectly and distinctly fulfilled which is a historic fact.
Watch UA-cam videos on the Bible etc
@@colbyboucher6391also pray To God and ask him to reveal the truth to you
And be patient and genuinely seek after God
you are correct except for my experience. i was 25 and my best friend died, i was in deep sorrow and then a feeling voice touch all of the senses spoke . no spoke is not right , then a communication, i now realize that i cant describe my experience
@@colbyboucher6391because you can come to the same logical conclusions as the Bible without reading the Bible
enjoyed it. Thanks
This is such a lovely presentation you have delivered. Thank you for your kindness and poise in which you deliver your arguments and points.
Never saw your videos before this, and i just cried for the first time in a while. Ive never seen someone explain the struggle of religious trauma involving the "feeling" of the invisible god. Thank you for this refreshing look on life
May I answer you maybe? The "struggle out of religious concern" is a struggle because you search to find God with your mind. Open yourself with your heart. That doesn't need religion. Humble yourself first and empty yourself of the pride of false knowledge. Pray to God in humbleness and ask for forgiveness of your sins. Bless you 🙏 ❤
that because you are a godless ass kissers as any Goddeniers... Another reason for not respecting you and you left God for nothing and the emptiness that this cult called atheism give you...
@@platzhirsch4275 that because you are a godless ass kissers as any Goddeniers... Another reason for not respecting you and you left God for nothing and the emptiness that this cult called atheism give you...
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@@platzhirsch4275how does one "opens" his heart? What does it mean? What do you mean by "emptying yourself from false knowledge"? What false knowledge are you exactly talking about?
Greetings from Germany
I am a big fan of CH and just discovered Alex. Very impressed so far :-)
CH? Christopher Hitchen?
@@elijahwong6464 Yes.
Alex, you have tried exploring the world via intellect - have you tried a more sharmanic approach? mushrooms, ayahuasca?🍄serious question
I was about to tell him the same 😂... mushrooms saved me from a life of nihilism
I've never seen a better speech. Ever. I've watched numerous debators, speakers, I am an avid reader from the early stages of my life and I'm willing to admit, without doubting it for a second, that you are the best speaker I've ever heard. The way you've approached this, the words you've used, the way you constructed your sentences... It's a work of a genius and I don't say this lightly. I mean it.
Thank you for your work. It very much appreciated even though I'm inclined towards theism. This is the best argument/speech I've ever heard.
John lennox has some great speeches as well
I presume this comment has been written by Alex`s mum posing under a pseudonym !Thanks mum !😄
Having watched your first debate with Johnathan, it’s amazing to see how you continue to grow and improve your debate and public speaking skills. Excited to see you continue to flourish!
Well said. I list the same reasons, plus my consistent disappointment in what theists have shared as the evidence that convinced them. If intellectual laziness was the key to securing a confident faith in God, then I had been going about it all wrong. Anyway, inasmuch as I found many common values with such precious friends, I have never known a member of God's believers who shared my honest willingness to reject dearly-held ideas that don't hold up under scrutiny.
I started out with a faith, naive as it was. That changed as a result of applying what I took for my God-given mind in good faith, in the search for truth. Struggled for years afterward to find reason to not to be an atheist, will go to my grave knowing I did all that could reasonably be expected; in the inexplicable event I was after all created by a God who's not satisfied with that, then that's on Him.
I thought I had gone a hell of a long way to find God, for someone lacking reason to suspect the existence of anything worthy of that title but yours might be the most persistent effort to be persuaded I've heard of. After a time, I found more value in other pursuits.
Alex you have an impressive reading list but have you ever tried hallucinogenic medicine?
What would that prove? That certain chemicaIs can cause your brain to mistake non-real mental constructs for reality? We know that already.
Yes he has i think he had a video about it
"Well... It looks like I have my work cut out for me" - Straight out of the book of Hitchens.
The cadence too
I do feel like he either models himself on Hitchens or just happens to be extremely similar. His accent, intonation, rhythm etc is virtually identical.
You can see the influence of Hitchens when he says, "Nothing, Nothing!" when answering whether a god has answered his prayers or ever shown up.
This lecture describes very well what I feel and went through myself!
Thanks
I love the honesty of Alex’s proposition
can you do a video on katt williams
A new level of respect to you sir. You said it all and in a way that's too impressive for words. Thank you.
Beautifully structured, respectful and reasoned argument. An example to everyone…I wish we had more of that in the world. Great video man!
are you nuts? you seriously expect more people to waste time entertaining the idea of something obviously made up just so you feel respected? how about you respect my believe in your utter stupidity?! please spend years upon years researching and please respectfully entertain the idea that you are truthfully stupid! CUZ THATS WHAT I BELIEVE!
"Each day Jesus, naked and bleeding on the cross, unveils God and destroys every false image of what it means to be king. Let us look to him and thus find the courage to look at ourselves, to follow the path of confident trust and intercession and to make servants of ourselves in order to reign with him.” (Pope Francis 2022)
What about a god/creative force that is indifferent and uninvolved in human life? I'm open to the possibility that there may be a god or that consciousness itself may be an extension of a mysterious higher force, but that whatever meaning and ownership we humans feel compelled to project on it is a reflection of our own fears and insecurities.
I am a Christian and therefore is disagreement with your conclusions, but I will say that this is a sophisticated and well thought out argument that I very much appreciate. You do a good job at taking real questions, one step further. You took "ok arguments" and made them challenging arguments. I'll enjoy thinking through these things rather than just trying to dismiss them.
What exactly do you disagree with?
I also love discussions about the existence of spirituality and God and as a believer, I think it's important to also listen to the non-believers and their arguments.
Well, I suppose that's more than most christians do
I’m gonna leave a comment here, so I get pinged if you ever decide to share your answers to those questions
Just want to share my respect for you, sir, for being open minded. You'll make it far in life with that.
I was just told that my mom doesn’t want me buried next to her since I’m not Catholic. She had a plot reserved which I thought was weird because I’m still young and she basically said she’s going to retract it and let someone else have it. None of my other siblings are Catholic yet I am the one she gets angry at. I just feel numb at this point.
I'm sorry to hear that. Christianity often drives a wedge between family members. It especially does not help that Jesus himself said he was here to divide families.
That's not very Christian of her....
@@CB66941 But NOT in that manner. It was about those who choose to follow the Christ's teachings (not religious dogma) and those who do not! His teachings would be DIVISIVE. And this is NOTHING to do with specific religions.
That's rough. But isn't better to know how she really feels? Maybe it's a good time to reconsider how you feel about her as well.
I don't know how young you are. If you are still financially dependent on her then I'd encourage you to keep your thoughts to yourself. But if you're able to be financially independent from her then don't hesitate to put an appropriate distance between you and her. I'm sharing advice that would have drastically changed my life for the better had I received it at the right time. I hope you will consider it thoughtfully.
That's terrible. I'm really sorry that's what your relationship is like with your mom. Just want you to know (from a Catholic) that that's not right. I hope she sees that what she said in no way reflects the heart of Jesus.
god has yet to make a comeback to this
because he doesn't exist
I may not agree with you Alex but I love listening to you. An intelligent decent young man that gives me hope for our future as a species.
Your eloquence in formulating your position is in a way a trend that I am observing these days. It comes to my attention that more and more people from the audience on various debates, meetings etc. are formulating the qustions so well crafted, intelectually rich and just simply well thought. Probably constanlty rewatching many debates for the last 20 years and the observation of history modern and old is forcing upon us and within us an understanding that is deeply suspicious of grand ideologies.
Alex I've been watching you for years. You have really refined your arguments and polished your speech. More than that you have furthered the human experience and tried your best to reveal truth and encourage critical thinking. Thank you personally, for your inpact on me.
There was a time in our history when believing, or having a feeling, that something was true was a useful survival mechanism; having those feelings saved us from those as yet unseen sneaky predators although more often than not our beliefs were wrong and we were just being way to suspicious/cautious; but better safe than sorry. However we cannot undo this survival tool and we still place great importance on having emotionally charged moments that we literally fire up ourselves from vague cues but we then assume/invent in our minds that "something real but out of sight" (e.g. God) triggered them. There is need for those beliefs to be amazingly strong; otherwise we won't act quickly enough, but strong feelings aren't proof of anything.
God exists and I have experienced it... I have seen lame people work and sick people get divine healing... I believe one day God will reveal Himself to you, He always brings us back to Himself because He loves us so much.
can you give an example of this. and if true how can i start believing in god?
I've seen those divine healings and they're fake
@@josephsweidy5815 read the Bible and open your heart .. God is LOVE, that's what makes Him the true God. All other gods are demanding and also people are afraid of them, so they have to do things to satisfy the god. God sent His son, read John 3 verse 16 (I am a dutchie, so I cannot quote it from my Bible.) Eternity in heaven is all about Jesus Christ, his dying on the cross to save mankind from sin.
@@ellieknol yea if there this a true religion it would be Christianity they basically flipped it and said god came to u and did the hard part to get to u instead of u doing the hard ladder type to reach god. It’s kinda beautiful when u think abt it lol Non Christian or Christian
Seek Thor and you will find him.
I'm not delusional
😂😂😂😂😂❤
That “sun/son rose again” joke took me out. Well done man
I’m sometimes a believer n sometimes not… I’m trying to figure it out.. this guy makes a great argument against God.
All this walked me into Igtheism myself.
Lots of ppl are walking away.
Many valid questions.. many are scared to ask the deeper ones.
0:00 Intro
2:53 The problem of divine hiddenness (Though arguably it starts in the intro itself)
5:42 Alex as the non-resistant non-believer
11:30 Geographical predictability of religious belief
13:55 Gratuitous suffering
17:00 Animal suffering
19:19 Outro
Thanks for that. Unfortunately none of that tells me why God doesn't exist
@@sgloobal2025 Speaking as an agnostic here, the answer to your question: It doesn't.
But God's silence speaks volumes in certain ways. There are only 4 options:
1. God has some plan we are either not aware of (or maybe if you believe the Bible is a reliable source of information, that would be the document of awareness), that he will put into action at some point in the future, and for now he remains completely silent.
2. God is indifferent to humanity in a neutral way. Meaning, God does actually interact with humanity on any personal level. This God would simply be an entity that maintains the physical forces of this universe going.
3. God is an asshole. Why? If he actually cares about humanity, but doesn't help, why? Reason #1 is possible, but I guess he's ok with those people suffering intense torture for years, sometimes decades.
4. He doesn't exist.
Which one explains our reality the closest possible?
@@apreviousseagle836 Or we aren't listening.
The geography thing is so stale and extreeeeemely naive when the majority of humans on earth are coerced and persecuted into conformity. In a backhanded way it actually validates any religion with martyrs. And proves atheism is a fake social phenomenon.
@@apreviousseagle836 also there's no such thing as true agnostics. One will either directly or indirectly deny the existence of God
Thanks for posting, Alex.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
I hope youbsee this, Alex. My favorite book is called The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot. In the back there is thirty pages citing all sources of the studies mentioned in the book.
Reading this book was the catalyst for a major shift in my perception. I've read a lot of books exploring suvh topics, this one in my opinion is the best book for those who truly want evidence of God, it's all backed by numerous independant peer reviewed studies.
What is or where is your trust at, your certainty of whatever comes after death?
I guess I'm agnostic, I've lived in fear and uncertainty for much of my life, probably losing faith didn't help so that was my serious question.
"Grant me, O Lord my God, a mind to know you, a heart to seek you, wisdom to find you, conduct pleasing to you, faithful perseverance in waiting for you, and a hope of finally embracing you."
-St. Thomas Aquinas
Werner Heisenberg: Heisenberg, one of the pioneers of quantum mechanics, was known for his spiritual and philosophical interests. He believed that science and religion could coexist and once said, "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you."
Max Planck: The founder of quantum theory, Max Planck, also had spiritual beliefs. He believed in a "divine being" and thought that science and religion complemented each other.
Albert Einstein: Einstein is famous for his contributions to physics, including the theory of relativity. While he didn't adhere to traditional religious beliefs, he often referred to a sense of awe and wonder at the universe, which he described as "cosmic religion." He rejected a personal God but believed in the existence of an impersonal, pantheistic deity.
@@alexkane84 Thanks.
When I think about divine hiddenness, I observe that God is supposed to want a relationship with me, but it's never him ringing my doorbell during dinner or ascending a debate stage to argue for his existence. It's always just some person.
The Holy Spirit is a person, you are correct.
@@JesusChrist-bo4sd the holy SPIRIT is a person?
Alex! Thank you for this polite and eloquent questioning of God's place in the human experience! I am a Christian and I sincerely hope you get the chance to meet God. I believe wholeheartedly that God will not allow you to die before you meet him if you keep searching and wanting Him. He knows your heart, and he never punishes someone for their real effort to reach Him. I will be praying for you and wishing you the best of luck. P.S. Have you tried Pentecostal churches? They are a bit of a culture shock for someone raised Catholic, but they are experts at creating an environment where the emotional relationship side of Christianity is very accessible. Good luck Alex!
I was a non-resistant non-believer for about a year when I was 17. Then, when I read the Bible, I realized that this is not a god worthy of worship. I do not believe in God, I think my personal experience has led to that, but now I realize that I would resist God if I did learn that He existed. I do not want to support a god who supports slavery and human sacrifice, so if God was real, I would be a mesotheist, someone who hates god.
If its god of the bible that is.
There are a few more options that are less hateble
But I do agree with the statment considering JHWH
You mean the bible supports slavery?
I've been following you from the beginning. So glad to see your progress and success. Keep doing what you do Alex!
Glad to see you progress in the chaotic random world, glad to see you succeed in the chaos and arrive to the nihilistic
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Is this something to be commended?!
me too, i saw Alex years ago, in the shaddow of Hitchens and others, now he is the new breed we have hm to look to for rational argument….
@@user-re8bw2js6p Of course it is, nihilism isn't the only worldview without religion, and is not inherently negative either. Seeing someone state that delusions should stay as is, and not be endorsed is something I will commend
Alex, I'm also an Atheist and I'm a physician. I've been brought up into the Christian culture as well, baptized and everything. But it's been many years now that I've freed myself from the doctrines. I read a lot and have always taken interest into the apparent battle between science, reason and belief that takes place within and outside.
I congratulate you on the amazing remarks that you brought to the discussion, and also have been following your public appearances to my pleasant surprise on your politeness and coherence.
As something of a scientist myself, I've been reading a few articles on the emotion or feeling of Awe. I would argue, like the authors, that Awe is a powerful driver of the religious experience that makes believers believe the experience is unexplicably holy. Awe is also experienced in many other occasions. The main point here is that Awe is or can be trained or instilled into someone according to the aculturation process of someone while growing up. You can feel immense happiness and fulfillment in singing in a church or by carefully watching Ants work. It only depends how you've come to learn how to experience Awe.
I advise the read. Cheers!
GOD bless you friend
Why did you leave if you don’t mind me asking ?
@splashyvvs9493 since it's been over almost 2 decades ago, I struggle to remember exactly how it went. But I'm sure that it was a very gradual and insidious change. I never really believed in deities and nobody forced me to comply to the belief. And it seems that it all came together as I learned more about science and this earth: during school learning physics, math, chemistry, and mainly biology; and their applications on our origins, morality, and the ever-shrinking explanations for miracles (as per the God of Gaps theory).
I had a supernatural experience. I'm very ill, it's been quite a while suffering with what I have and one night I said to God, I'm scared because every night I felt like I was going to die. A few minutes after saying what I said i felt like someone laid a blanket of pure peace on me and the fear left. As I was drifting off to sleep I felt what I can only describe as a liquid living light of love flood my body for 10 minutes. A lot of folks would say my mind made it up (how you can even prove that idk) but I know for a fact it was the tangible peace and love of God telling me everything will be okay. I should of dead, absolutely dead from my injuries. The fact that I'm here still is a miracle.
@@pedrobanhodarosa5292 As a physician do you not wonder about the complexity of it all? Like you I grew up learning about evolution, age of the earth and the simple cell. I did physics, biology and chemistry up to O level. Now I am not qualified in anything that really matters but I realised the more science delved into things like the amoeba the more I realised that it was far to complex to have come about by random chemical interactions. In fact the fact we are discussing this after millions of years of supposedly random mutations etc seems absurd.
I feel you 👊🏼❤️ i searched & pray for my sick ones & see NADA 🤷🏽♂️
Is it a fellow brazilian i see?
At times I have felt I have had direct contact with God but, over time I have realized this had as much to do with some aspect of the self rather than a genuine “God” contact: a fascinating example came from the experiences I had when my spouse died because I felt I had supernatural occurrences following that shocking event due to the psychic sense of aloneness I felt. The experiences themselves opened a door that, to me, seemed exceptionally close to a psychic series of revelations. They did not, however, seemed tied to a god whereas another person, unlike me, might interpret that they were religious experiences. I cannot prove what they were but they had incredible power!