Jesus Christ will come back soon and we don't have much time to turn to Him. He died for all of our sins so that we can be forgiven. All we have to do is accept Him into our lives and trust Him wholeheartedly. Nobody but Jesus can save your soul. This might be your sign so turn to Him today. He loves you
As an African, this sounds like a normal conversation that aunts and uncles be having on a Friday afternoon in the living room. Funniest thing is they expect young people to not raise their voices
Went to a friends wedding in Nigeria, literally like 1/3 of the room was having these conversations. Eye opening, hilarious in a good lively humanistic way but also nucking futs. It was awesome.
@@saywhaatuk26yes it’s not a service to preach, but preaching is about teaching the word. There was not way he would buttress on his points without explaining or teaching a little that others don’t know. That’s how debates work
@@prophetofanu8933 they could use the same argument for whatever you believe in or choose not to lmao “Prove evolution exists without showing me a diagram or the bacteria multiplying fallacy”. Show me an Ape turning into a human in REALITY. 😂quit acting like a superior when nobody truly knows therefore can’t say for certain either.
😂😂 as a british nigerian this was pure gold 😂 omg 48:07 when they quote “for he so loved the world he gave his only begotten son” and then chief pipes in “sacrifice” I was howling 😂😂
I usually respond back with "Did you know that the cross was feared at the time of Christ and known as a symbol of death marking the graves of slaves adn murderers" as I pull up the screenshot of the 1880s Biblical Dictionary. Then my follow up question is "Did you know that during the Great Bible Hoax of 1881 the word THY was change to THE?" Now..... no one knows THY father and believe men are women and can have babies. The Hebrew Carpenter version spoke against these things, but he Jewish King profits from them.
Yohhh, the Christian woman bringing arguments from the Bible as the basis of her argument to people who don't believe in the Bible 😂😂😂.... if you're going to debate with none believers on your faith you need a very deep theological knowledge of Christianity otherwise it comes off as "preachy".
The woman did correct, you can only speak the truth when debating & the truth is the words from the Bible. Her faith is in those words, that is the foundation of her faith. Basically it was theological because the study of God can only come from the knowledge you obtained from reading the Bible. Doesn’t matter if you believe or not, God words are in the Bible & when we speak of him, we don’t add or take away from the truth which is his words, not ours.
@@MW-hy9ew for preaching yes, but when you are debating, using the word is not enough unfortunately and using the word to speak down on people (which is what she was doing and is what a lot of Christians do) doesn't help. Theological knowledge involves speaking about the history of the scriptures and archaeological evidence backed down from ages and as well as information on the different translations of the scriptures. Being passionate and being angry that someone doesn't agree with the word only repels them away even more
You can cite biblical texts and still make very valid points. Truth is self authenticating. If the scripture is true, it shouldn’t be afraid to stand up to public scrutiny. My only problem is that the woman is too fanatical and has a very uncoordinated mind. She talks out of point. You needed to hear Dr John MacArthur arguing for Christianity with atheists on CNN on Larry king shows in those days. You’ll see how to make arguments from the Bible with a very sound mind
I don’t understand why Christian’s argue the bible is true without discussing its origins. Can anyone explain how you believe this is true without additional evidence?
As Christians, we need to do a better job at defending our faith. I agree with the point that you can't use the Bible to defend the Bible. We don't defend it objectively. I want to learn how to do that.
Christianity can only be validated with the book that has no reason to be validated especially when you research on how the book came about. Christians act like the book fell from the sky. It’s all false.
@@princeicykeybordits not though, the bible is historcal text and it aligns with history bro, literal kings and literal rulers and literal pharaohs outside of the bible are in the bible, prophecies and predictions of down to key events were written in scriptures before it even happened
@@CabinetWabinet when is the last time God talked to you enough for you to know that's God's opinion. Yall always want to claim knowing the mind of God, but would that God really want you to be arguing with folks on the internet? Even if you claim the Bible shows the mind of God, there are over 44,000 denominations of Christian in the world who all disagree about what the mind of God is and you're supposed to be the expert??? Yall need more humility.
I love how the man dressed in red eloquently explained the concept of comprehending God. He likened our understanding to being blindfolded individuals feeling different parts of an elephant, representing God, with our faith serving as our hands. Due to our blindness, each of us interprets and understands God in unique ways based on the specific part we touch, reflecting the diversity of human perception and experience.
However, His explanation didn't validate his point. If we touch different parts of the elephant and have different notions of the parts we felt respectively; like trees, wall for example, it doesn't change the fact that our notions are wrong, and the interpretation is false because it's neither a tree nor a wall, but it is what it is. Therefore, it comes out as a blind faith. This is why when Moses asked the God of Abraham what He must tell the people should they ask who his God is, God answered Moses ''I AM WHO I AM'' because He couldn't ascribe Himself to any other thing but Himself. To see God for whom He truly is, first, your eyes have to be open and there is only one who is capable of opening the eyes of the blind and His name is JESUS. Matthew 11:27 ''No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him''.
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd don't you think it's "blind faith" to believe that the only person that can open your eyes is someone that a book said?
@@ilungatshitende7696 Valid question! To those on the other side, it's a blind faith, but to those who believe, it's a living faith because they now see. Following the analogy of the traditionalist, he acknowledges that he, hence those who touched the elephant remain blind, which means as a traditionalist, he still needs a savior to gain true sight, but who is the savior that can give sight? Many believers know Jesus outside of a book, He is not a myth, He is real. John 20:29 - Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pdhmm what Jesus claimed is what a narcissist or cult leader would claim. The arguing is silly to me because 1) "Jesus" came to West Africa as a slave ship commanded by one John Hawkins 2) Nigeria was called the "Slave Coast" because of all the people that the Christians stole. 3) The main reason why West Africans converted to Christianity was because of a claim that people were sacrificing and eating each other. 4) Yet you converted to a religion that teaches you to pretend to eat a person and celebrates the death of an innocent man.
the traditionalists are generally so knowledgable. they dont explain things through their religion. they acknowledge that their beliefs are one perspective of many
True but that is only because their religion was converted to Christianity. When Christianity first came to the land they did not recognize him as God nor true. They only believed in their own faith.
@heistbros8575 the way you described it. Sounds how every culture conquered by Christian rulers. Did with their cultures. Thank you for that insight. Which I also think is why so many sects came to be.
Exactly! I really liked the elephants analogy. Unfortunately it seems like the Christians in this video are very closed minded and are not trying to acknowledge anything else but their religion being the only way lol.
What i found most interesting is that the traditionalists were knowledgeable about religion and spirituality overall. They even helped to support the Christians argument.
Well at the end they wanted to be called evil so badly. If Christians say they find them evil, they complain. If they say "as a person ur not evil" they still complian weird
@@aaocs7042incorrect, a lot of this is oral tradition has been lost through invasion, colonialisation. The Library of Alexandria was burned down by Romans which held spiritual ancient record.
@@asafo.academic.lectures what they said still does not add up to a coherent argument so they have lost. They are constantly criticising what the Christians were merely stating out of their bible and have no real doctrine themselves. They don't even know what the bible said and just made things up.
@@jointhecruise none at all my dad is a traditionalist and my mom is a Christian so I’ve just not liked any of the sided I don’t need a religion I just do what is morally correct in my eyes🤷🏾♂️
Just because he’s a traditionalist does not make him evil… that woman is ignorant and she has a lot to learn. I am a Christian and because someone does not worship God the way I do doesn’t make them evil❤
If you do not believe in Jesus...you definitely are!! As a Christian you should stand by Jesus no matter what.clearly you have Alot to learn.How can you remain calm and understanding when someone says the Master isn't God... that's just crazy
@@tadiwamapuranga 🤡your a clown if you think that people that dont know or believe in jesus is bad .go back reading your bible you fail to understand it
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As an african I am exxxxtremly offended to see you think this is best caliber of people you could find to debate on such a topic that requires deep insight and well articulated points made from an extensive background of knowledge. I could easily throw a stone anywhere and hit an african who is far more learned, insightful, composed, focused on the point, communicates effectively with solid arguments instead of some disorganized emotional regurgitations unrelated to the question and talking over each other with wild gestures.. And why only Africans or specifically Nigerians? You guys couldnt find traditionalists from other parts of the world? Apart fronm2 or 3 people here, it's almost like a group put together from some nigerian village, for the purpose of drama and riducule of Africans to the amusement of others.
This was very entertaining. I love watching religious debates/discussions but I’ve never laughed so hard. Africans will always add flare to an argument that other people will state simply.
Seeing different souls arguing about the same thing is spiritually entertaining, we all worship the same God in different ways and we keep evolving through our beliefs from generations is my stance 😊❤
I see it similar because we are energy beings whatever we choose to believe in is where our answers/guidance will come from. Everything we need resides inside of us
I wish there were questions about slavery, colonization and how Christianity played a role in that. And how traditional religions helped the Haitian Revolution
@@DanielPerez-ed4rn You are wrong man even my African American coworker whose grandparents were slaves told me that the bible was used to justify slavery and he has mixed feelings on the topic!! Here is Ephesians 6:5-8 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free."
@@nami20622 just because mankind twists scripture for THEIR advantage, does not mean God accepts it. What about you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet. You can read out of context all day long, Jesus came to set people FREE of spiritual bondage. But yes, men with evil in their heart will always use God’s word to push more evil.
@@nami20622 my friend, do you mind reading the rest? ”And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.“ Ephesians 6:9 NIV
Technically you and I, are slaves to our workforce, unless you work for yourself. If that is the case, even better. But for those who DO work for a company and have a boss, he/she is technically our master in that regard. Has NOTHING to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade. What happened with them, is COMPLETELY evil and against God’s commandments.
that elephant analogy and the monologue he gave after was amazing. i am not even religious yet i completely agree with that notion. we as humans are simply trying to understand what is so much grander than us, we cannot know all with our mortal minds. well done! very entertaining video, though i know that wasn’t its purpose LOL
Horrible analogy, here's why. Some people aren't even touching the elephant because they believe there is no God. Which means there are other people touching all sorts of things other than the elephant IF some aren't even touching anything, just empty space.
I think it’s really important to have conversations like this regardless if we agree or disagree These conversations can be hard, but they will help us 📦
I totally agree with the end statement when Mazi said “English language is not their language, they thought it is their language…you need to be able to understand English to read the Bible” .. personally I do not identify as a Christian. They want to have the conversation about religion but are very judgmental when the next doesn’t conform to their ideologies of how to serve and ways to do so. There are so many different versions of that book. No one knows the originator, chapters taken out, and as stated, it could have very well been written by man to take you from what you know and cause division and confusion. To each their own. Do what works for you and I’ll continue to do my works✨✨
It is sad that most times when we, Christians, are called to defend what we believe, we 'fall hands'. Our places of worship are doing poorly in teaching sound doctrine.
Well, how many of us will actually study our faith when many simply goes by what the Pastor is saying, plus the fact that we don't teach core doctrines.
Christians should not blame the place of worship. They should blame themselves. The church nor Christian leadership should serve as the gatekeepers of biblical or historical knowledge. You have to do the work yourselves.
@@olavu11 yes you have a point but don't forget that when you are born you receive education first from that home you were born into it takes maturity to self educate so the place of worship is part of the problem
Not all African countries accepted Christianity because of colonization. There are many that adopted it as their own, way before the colonizers learned of the religion
@@jointhecruisedon’t bring that big auntie women 😂😂 she have no clue what she trying to say and she likes to look away from somebody who don’t agree with her beliefs that’s so childish to me see a grown ass women having bad communication
These people would have a literal heart attack in the Caribbean, because we have religions that the entire concept is mixing Traditionalism with Christianity. Pocomania, Obeah, Senteria. Nobody’s religions is better than others, because all of it is so that human can put a purpose on their life. This video is really good, as a Jamaican, it’s so interesting, because all of our traditional practices have Christianity and vice versa.
When discussing religions it must always be done respectfully and tolerant, understanding and listening even when you are mutually not agreeing. Everyone can have different beliefs but we are still human beings.
I believe that is the problem. Orthodoxy is a culture created out of intolerance yet now we must be everything that they historically have not been and be tolerant in conversations.
,,we still are human beings,, that doesn t add with anything on the topic,is irelevant,it s useless It s like sayin ,,that s life,, and you move on like u gave me some distinguishable argument
the African canaanite who can't stay in his seat are responsible for changing the history in America along with his white jew-ish brothers who owned the slave ships; when hebrews ran into Africa fleeing war; these African canaanites like the guy doing all the yelling hunted them down and sold them into captivity, now think they can get out of serving like everyone else
The elephant analogy was soo smart. As long as you believe in what is good and evil, there is no need for competition. lets just love and respect each other.
The problem with the elephant analogy is that at the end of the day, each man is wrong. They're blind and none of them is right. The analogy also assumes that there is someone beyond the 4th wall who CAN tell its an elephant and the only way the blind men can be enlightened is if that person breaks the 4th wall and tells them through special revelation. You also assume the existence of good and evil, but why? Why is respecting each other good? Christianity teaches God has broken the 4th wall and has told us the Truth. He created the world as good and good is that which aligns with His will. Evil entered the world through Man's disobedience and now evil exists as that which is in rebellion against God. Nevertheless, Man was created in God's image and that is why we owe each other respect as fellow humans. But don't be mistaken, friend, telling someone they're wrong and must turn to the Truth of Jesus as savior is not disrespectful, it is love :)
@@KD-xu3oe Christianity itself says it made what they call as the devil and gave him the power and allows children to be murdered because of "free will" while ignoring theirs to not be murdered. So if u people don't shut up I'm going to lose it.
I wish everyone would come to this understanding, because this fight for superiority over an idea that was handed over to us by our parents whom if you ask them why they r practicing a particular religion wouldn't be able to tell us why, is quite baseless n unnecessary to me. We should chase spirituality if u r that desperate for hope n think you have to believe in something to achieve d desired hope, but if not then just be human n do humane things. Majority of these "religious" people ain't even humane at heart, so wats d essence of d religion?? We are having these issues in d world today because everyone wants to be superior n play "God", u can view a particular thing as bad but forget that ur neighbor isn't u n doesn't av to think like u n so he doesn't need to agree with ur "bad", then when he disagrees with u, arguments like this ensues, wars break out all because we forget that we r all different n everyone is entitled to his/her believe. Mtcheeeew
A very logical and practical perspective - moreso individual and personal experiences or journey will allow one to perceive a different view on how "God" or God works with each person.
Trust me, they were not prepared. Unlike the Bible, Tradition is passed on from Father to Son. I learned from my father, and he learned from his father. You don't need to prepare to answer a simple "What is your name question". You don't necessarily need to prepare to answer your beliefs. They are all above 25, so if they don't have an understanding of who they are for over 25 years, then what life have they been living? If both parties are to prepare, then we need a series and not just an hour video
This lady sha. She’s just reciting what her pastors have told her. I wish she knew how deep this thing is. How much Christianity has harmed us as Africans. Christianity was a weapon for colonialism and we are still deep in it.
PK times two here. Both of my parents are Christian ministers. One thing I know with certainty is that most Christian people; especially older ones, do not know how to properly advocate for their religion. Most times their approach leaves ‘nonbelievers’ MORE convinced that Christianity is not the way. The woman with the blonde hair is a prime example. There is a difference between being emotional and being passionate. You can’t shovel a Bible down the throat of someone who doesn’t believe in it and magically make them believe 🤦🏾♀️ While I lean towards spirituality over religion there is nothing wrong with the character of Christ if you’re actually willing to win people over with unconditional love. Run this one back without that lady please and thank you 🙏🏾
“there’s nothing wrong with the character of Christ” is a misrepresentation of what we Christians believe. We do not just believe he was a guy with a good character, he’s The One and only God to us.
@@pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764 I’m aware of what Christians believe. I grew up in a Christian home; as I stated. I’ve also read the Bible and nowhere does it say that Jesus is God. Even Jesus himself said multiple times “It’s not about me, but the one who sent me.” However; that’s not even the point of what I said. I said that Christians need to approach ‘nonbelievers’ with the same unconditional love that Christ did.
@@kefiranicole2154 one thing is to read the Bible and another thing is to understand it, which you clearly don't. "He who has seen Me has seen The Father" John 14: 8-10. "I and The Father are One" John 10:30. "Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:54. In the Bible Jesus is referred as the word of God, and in John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” so that makes Jesus God. You can believe or not in the Bible, that is your choice and I respect it. But to say Jesus never claimed to be God is a big lie, and that I will not allow. And yes we love nonbelievers unconditionally as Jesus instructed us to, but that and being judgmental of sin are not mutually exclusive. We love the sinner, not the sin. And not believing is the biggest of sins. Growing up in a christian household don't mean you know Christ. God bless you.
As a mixed-race White British/Black American who has struggled with some of the messaging behind religious instituations but who has been on a lifelong spiritual journey, some of what was spoken here really resonates. This was a great episode. I really appreciate hearing this discussion and learning more about African traditionalism. It has been eye-opening for someone who has been so distanced from their roots. Thank you for sharing 💜
African tradition is not monogamous. Depends on the region/ tribe etc. Christianity itself was birthed in africa since ancient Israel was originally south of Egypt ( Abraham settled south of Egypt GEN 13:1). Many African countries have people who practice both tradition and religion since most of the time routine does not conflict with faith
@@IonizedComa every african tradition is monogamous ! They believe in one gods but this one gods have differents form that’s all! And Christianity wasn’t born in Africa stop spreading this kind of lie ! Everything you said is your belief not the truth!
The problem with the elephant analogy is that at the end of the day, each man is wrong. They're blind and none of them is right. The analogy also assumes that there is someone beyond the 4th wall who CAN tell its an elephant and the only way the blind men can be enlightened is if that person breaks the 4th wall and tells them directly through special revelation.
@@KD-xu3oe Hit the nail on its head beloved. Let me answer you, no one has the full picture. Even the son of Man (Jesus Christ) does not know the day it would be. They called him God, how can God not know the day the trumpet will sound? Only the Almighty knows it all, and if Jesus his only begotten son does not know the day the Father will blow the Trumpet, does he then have the full view of the Elephant in question? No one has ever been to heaven to tell us the story of the father, so we all are blind and can only describe the elephant in segments.
@@KD-xu3oe even if you’re blind, you can use common sense to paint an image that you can’t see. as much as seeing is important listening, it’s just as important if you listen to everybody’s arguments at the end of the day, I think that paints a full picture.
@@lowmorkn2192 in that case, common sense makes you see a snake where there's actually an elephant. And even if the blind men were to listen to each other to piece the puzzle together, they'd get a 4 trees with a snake on one end and a rope on the other. It still takes Someone with sight and true knowledge to reveal that it is, in fact, an elephant. Or, if you want to argue the blind men already know what an elephant is and just need to put their heads together to figure out they're touching one, it still requires then to repent of their previous falsehoods and embrace the Truth.
@@KD-xu3oefacts bro...at the end of the day...Only one thing is true, and only that one thing matters…. IT IS AN ELEPHANT…how you feel it doesn’t matter. What matters is that it’s an elephant 😂…
I hope that the people who defend christianity are aware that their ancestors were not christians and suffered under christianity. “When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
@@lexxbrown2075yikes study history 😅 lots of scripture comes from Africa . Both Africa , Middle East and rome where it started mainly alongside Byzantine area . Its just rome (west) is seen as the lead in the ancient world since the Roman Empire was the rulers at the time
The odinala man speaks so much sense and with so much authority and understanding. He understands the origin of his religion and respects that it exists in parallel to other religions. I think we as Africans need to research and learn more about our ancient religions before dismissing them as demonic as we were conditioned to by our collonizers.
Exactly!🙏🏾 Many Christians don’t understand the duality of life and that many truths exist to many people, you cannot project your views onto others and think your belief is the only true belief.
@@lightednguidedah yes we can and we do… the fact you don’t think that’s the case proves that you yourself reject every Monotheistic religion as truth as they all claim there is but one. Moreover there can’t be ‘’many truths’’ when these ‘’truths’’ fundamentally contradict each other, it makes no sense
That's because the apocalyptic religious cult of Christianity that she was indoctrinated into, by her European colonizers (whom in turn took it from West Asians) teaches her that. It really is true, there's no hate like "Christian love".
@@albertyoung3025 I do form my own opinions. The main one being that I don’t like when a religious group thinks they are the only ones who are right. I get it’s faith and of course anybody believes what they want. But you don’t call somebody else evil because they grew up differently from you. This opinion is based on MY feelings and who are you to tell me not to form my opinion that way? I also don’t know why you assumed I wasn’t personally affected by that statement
As soon as you hear that someone thinks something else is evil- they must be brainwashed. I was told SO many things were evil growing up, just to find out theyre not. So my ears always perk up when someone says that too.
We need Cliff Knechtle to be here to give a logical and rational objective and that guy can really answer the most hardest questions ever and still respect people.
The elephant argument assumes there is an external perspective that sees the whole elephant. It sounds like a nice analogy on the face of it but soon you realise that you end up making the same claims as each of the individuals touching different parts of the elephant, specifically that you are the one that sees the whole elephant clearly while they are the ones that only feel part of it
Hahaha I was confused as well, but its nice having some african representation on such topics on youtube too : ) I wish there was also a european version since I am sometimes a bit annoyed by only seeing the american standpoints and opinions.
This was great I love how my Christian African brothers and sisters are emotionally passionate about the Bible but the problem is we don't do research to support our weak arguments when debating on why Christ is the true representation of the true God. we kinda just say " it's true because the Bible say so" and that's not a great way to convince someone
Religion is not but understanding nature and loving ourselves is the only way, stop killing animals for food because they are not here for us but here with us. Love each other that’s it
If the guy in black that is a christian and the igbo guy in the fa right of the screen that wore his attire and was speaking with intelligence created a podcast and took on topics like this I would 100% without a shadow of dought listen to it on a day-to-day basis becuase of how interesting they are and the way the tackle the topics given to them and explain and give valid points on the topic at hand. I would see them making headlines as one of the best podcasts relating to religion inside nigeria and other countries.
@@OGAVBZ I think you misunderstood me. You said it was "fire" and I was saying it was "tired and old", not that it was "wrong". But I will give you some sort of a refutation, since your curious. One reason that I see that the analogy is faulty is that the analogy possesses a couple non-trivial presupposition: that all faith groups are "blind", and we are even "touching" the same animal. First off, we are not blind because we have the ability to reason and have articulated laws of logic that work efficiently to garner truth. We are not as blind as the analogy would let on. Secondly, it is fairly presumptuous to claim the the "God" of all religions is the same God, especially if different religions make contradictory claims about God's character-not to mention that some religions don't even posit a "God" (subsets of Buddhism, subsets of Hinduism) and some religions posit a pantheon of Gods (pagan, folk, Hindu, Greek, etc). To add on, the analogy also assumes that it's the "blind" of each different faith group that make adamant claims about the elephant, however, that really doesn't even make sense in the case of a handful of religions, because Jesus (God Himself, according to Christianity) is telling us who he is through word and action. Mohammed is telling us directly from Allah's messenger about God's character. Unless you're willing to say these people we're merely hypothesizing and guessing (which would mean they were lying, since they were claiming to tell us direct from the source), then the analogy is not true.
This is one of the most important debates we, as Africa, need to have. I had a Catholic mother, grew up a christian, and finally am a traditionalist who believes in ancestors.
@@djSeakDigitalbasically all of the modern christian nations but it wasn’t just accepting it, it’s because big empires forced it into their people and other peoples
And why don't you go live in the mountains like your ancestors and worship their gods too?Your ancestors suffered but you did not So the people who exist now have nothing to do with their ancestors
Joshua says, “choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord” (Joshua 24:15).
I am from Asia, an extremely Catholic nation in SEA and it also happens that one of my most favorite book of all time is Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart. I am thankful for my religion but somehow, I don't agree to most of it. I am 30-years-old now and I firmly believe that the only religion in this world worth honoring is the one that encourages us to be a better human being. If one's religion says love one another but the actions prove otherwise. Then that is no true religion.
@@ploymusicandlifestyle5067i respect your faith but is it blind faith or have you studied your religion and exchanged ideas and researched deeper? Its not a sin to be open to learn other point of view to understand our own beliefs.
Every christian should check out the book " I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist " by Frank Turek, it's a great tool to help be prepared to defend the faith. Also we gotta make sure we be fasting and praying before entering into conversations like this
I agree 100%. I love my fellow christians but we are doomed if we cant properly and effectively defend our faith without all of the emotions and recycled talking points. We need to take time to individually read the bible for ourselves and fast and pray for understanding without the help of the church.
LOL I wonder how many people thought this conversation was hostile...this is a very calm conversation although no one could stay on point it was definitely a respectful discussion.
@@jointhecruise The goal of the video was to hear opposing or similar viewpoints. You cannot do that when everyone is interrupting and speaking over each other. Nor did we get a solid viewpoint from each participant. 4 people got the most discussion in, which isn’t equal to everyone involved or watching.
@@jointhecruiseMaybe you should listen. Since I thought the same thing too. The purpose of a mediator would be to make sure everyone have a voice and that there is order.
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Jesus Christ will come back soon and we don't have much time to turn to Him. He died for all of our sins so that we can be
forgiven. All we have to do is accept Him
into our lives and trust Him wholeheartedly. Nobody but Jesus can
save your soul. This might be your sign so
turn to Him today. He loves you
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@@darioclb1363Amen amen
As an African, this sounds like a normal conversation that aunts and uncles be having on a Friday afternoon in the living room. Funniest thing is they expect young people to not raise their voices
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You’re right ! 🤣🤣
Went to a friends wedding in Nigeria, literally like 1/3 of the room was having these conversations.
Eye opening, hilarious in a good lively humanistic way but also nucking futs.
It was awesome.
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Calmest african converstaion
forreal 😂😂😂
It's only because they're on camera.
Only out of their respect for their gods and the one true God lol
@@DinoSBlaise and they're not related
@@DinoSBlaiseNot true the most normal convo in my family they raise their voices 😂
Religion aside, learning how to debate is an essential skill.
IKR 💯
I swear
Learning to debate in a calm way more like.
I wish the emotions can be well controlled. 🤦
I wish the lady with gold hair was better at presenting her points. After listening to her well I understand what she’s saying.
People can argue about things in the Bible but trying to change people is impossible
I half expected that guy to start swingin and hitting people with that fan 😂
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Like Kitana 😂😂😂
Yooo😂😂😂😂
Nahh, they just very animated peoples. Honestly it's more weird to me to see someone be like a statue when expressing emotional subjects lol
'That is braggadocious' this killed me😂😂😂😂😂
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Omo, na wetin make me watch this episode as I see am for the beginning of the video.
Sameeeee 😂😂😂😂😂
Nah it was more like “brrrrrrrraggadocious” XDDDDD
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Can y'all do this again? With people who can control their emotions more please?
Right lol
Lol you know our people.. Nigerians cannot control their emotions. It’s in our blood
@@galliano100 Black people in general, not just Nigerians. When it's a debate about religions, we get crazy.
@@rocoustilerocoustile4320 I don’t lol. I make a point to keep a cool head and not get overly offended.
That's how all of us Africans(ALL BLACK PEOPLE) are EMOTIONAL.
The chubby man with a beard and black outfit was the only one who remained calm and preached how a Christian should preach, respect goes out to him 🙌
This wasn’t a service for him to preach, this was a debate?
@@saywhaatuk26yes it’s not a service to preach, but preaching is about teaching the word. There was not way he would buttress on his points without explaining or teaching a little that others don’t know. That’s how debates work
I agree
Just because a person speaks in a calm tone doesn’t mean they’re right or that they are not being condescending or disrespectful.
Yeah but he still didn't make any real points
Believe it or not this is actually a very calm conversation,Normal Sunday afternoon Conversation after eating lunch
I love being African. This was just like watching a family reunion everyone is so dramatic 💀
I am not dramatic
Walahi 😂😂😂😂 I’m literally crying 😭
😂 👀💯
My Cameroonian backside is CRYING 😭 😂😂😂
Nah yall mad weird
I think braggadocious is my new word of the day
Same here
Not the Christian’s fighting each other for 2minutes and the traditionalists just watching silently 😂
Even christians don't have one believe 😅
LMFAOOOOO YO i was like ummm
@@burger4131europeans have 100years war arguing over church orthodox catholics protestants etc
Yeah, they have different denominations. Just like Muslims have different denominations like Shia , Sunni, Ahmediya etc@@burger4131
@@sakurakou2009and yet there can only be one church.
“How can you tell the person wasn’t smoking ganja before writing that?!?” 😂😂
That traditionalist Igbo man came straight out of Nollywood!😭🤣
😂😂😂😂😂I know right?
@@teteya.n Just be shouting shouting up and down! 😭
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@Ester-Iz3ej that's a braggadocious comment😂
He was funny so he was somewhat entertaining 😂
I know madam’s bag was exhausted after being thrown around the whole episode 😭😭🤣🤣😂😂👏🏾
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You noticed?
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That was the first thing that made me laugh! Was there no secure place for her to store it? 🤣
@@kevinmaxim She probably didn't feel safe leaving it unattended with traditionalists around...just in case lol
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The man vex and said "how can you prove that someone didnt smoke ganja and wrote it" 😂🤣🤣😭 i nearly faint
It's blasphemy! The holy bible is inspiring by the holy spirit true word of God !🔥🕊️
man is right.
@@ploymusicandlifestyle5067 can you prove what is in the bible without using the bible?
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@@prophetofanu8933 they could use the same argument for whatever you believe in or choose not to lmao
“Prove evolution exists without showing me a diagram or the bacteria multiplying fallacy”. Show me an Ape turning into a human in REALITY.
😂quit acting like a superior when nobody truly knows therefore can’t say for certain either.
😂😂 as a british nigerian this was pure gold 😂 omg 48:07 when they quote “for he so loved the world he gave his only begotten son” and then chief pipes in “sacrifice” I was howling 😂😂
When the lady said "do you know Jesus Christ is God?" The way the traditionalist flared up is a thing of comedy 😂😂
The traditionalist doesn't want to hear the name of Jesus 😂😂 absolutely hilarious
I usually respond back with "Did you know that the cross was feared at the time of Christ and known as a symbol of death marking the graves of slaves adn murderers" as I pull up the screenshot of the 1880s Biblical Dictionary. Then my follow up question is "Did you know that during the Great Bible Hoax of 1881 the word THY was change to THE?" Now..... no one knows THY father and believe men are women and can have babies. The Hebrew Carpenter version spoke against these things, but he Jewish King profits from them.
@@ms.donaldson2533 your point??
Wow. I believe a level of congratulations is owed here for the complexity you’ve managed to conjure for emptiness…
@@animalspideyI am Traditionalists, I like Jesus , But not as a god , But a very Good Man with good hearth
Yohhh, the Christian woman bringing arguments from the Bible as the basis of her argument to people who don't believe in the Bible 😂😂😂.... if you're going to debate with none believers on your faith you need a very deep theological knowledge of Christianity otherwise it comes off as "preachy".
You're absolutely right.
The woman did correct, you can only speak the truth when debating & the truth is the words from the Bible. Her faith is in those words, that is the foundation of her faith. Basically it was theological because the study of God can only come from the knowledge you obtained from reading the Bible. Doesn’t matter if you believe or not, God words are in the Bible & when we speak of him, we don’t add or take away from the truth which is his words, not ours.
@@MW-hy9ew for preaching yes, but when you are debating, using the word is not enough unfortunately and using the word to speak down on people (which is what she was doing and is what a lot of Christians do) doesn't help. Theological knowledge involves speaking about the history of the scriptures and archaeological evidence backed down from ages and as well as information on the different translations of the scriptures. Being passionate and being angry that someone doesn't agree with the word only repels them away even more
You can cite biblical texts and still make very valid points. Truth is self authenticating. If the scripture is true, it shouldn’t be afraid to stand up to public scrutiny. My only problem is that the woman is too fanatical and has a very uncoordinated mind. She talks out of point.
You needed to hear Dr John MacArthur arguing for Christianity with atheists on CNN on Larry king shows in those days. You’ll see how to make arguments from the Bible with a very sound mind
I don’t understand why Christian’s argue the bible is true without discussing its origins. Can anyone explain how you believe this is true without additional evidence?
Nigerians are honestly the funniest people and they do it effortlessly, the expressions take me out 🤣🤣🤣
They soo funny its nice when it's Nigerians😂❤
This is comedy 🤣🤣🤣... When the red clothing man got up at started shouting at the blond hair lady, i evaporated 😂😂😂
LMAOAOAO
“How can you not tell me that the person have not smoke Ganja and the person was speaking in his own terms “ 😂😂
Ganja is from the same source 🌶️
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😂😂😂😂 I am entertained !!!
I hollered when I heard that 😂😂
Wait. What.... time stamp please this must've slipped me while I was laughing at something else 🤣🤣🤣😭🤌🏽
the igbo guy always stepping down from his seat always gets me😭😂
lol same
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very nice
LOL sammeee
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As Christians, we need to do a better job at defending our faith. I agree with the point that you can't use the Bible to defend the Bible. We don't defend it objectively. I want to learn how to do that.
You cant. It’s simply false.
Christianity can only be validated with the book that has no reason to be validated especially when you research on how the book came about. Christians act like the book fell from the sky. It’s all false.
@@princeicykeybordits not though, the bible is historcal text and it aligns with history bro, literal kings and literal rulers and literal pharaohs outside of the bible are in the bible, prophecies and predictions of down to key events were written in scriptures before it even happened
@@wickmaani116it’s not a historical book or source
@@wickmaani116Written by man at the end of the day though…
It’s always “they are evil” when people disagree with them. It’s sad and infuriating.
The way of the old people. Let's not be like them. 😂
It is evil to worship anything but the almighty high god
@@jayfletcher8936 you forgot "in my opinion", because not everyone believes like you. Just because you believe it doesn't make it truth.
@@icomplain2006he didn't forget " in my opinion" because it's not his, it's Gods
@@CabinetWabinet when is the last time God talked to you enough for you to know that's God's opinion. Yall always want to claim knowing the mind of God, but would that God really want you to be arguing with folks on the internet? Even if you claim the Bible shows the mind of God, there are over 44,000 denominations of Christian in the world who all disagree about what the mind of God is and you're supposed to be the expert??? Yall need more humility.
you can tell auntie HAD ENOUGH 😂
Lol, they start with so much strength, then get tired and tell the rest of us we are making noise.
Lool....I was tited on her behalf too
As christians we must learn to speak with wisdom
Amenn
You believe that a teen mom gave birth to a magic baby not much wisdom to be found
@@togarmah9848what widom, stick to your fairy tales
@@DennisKiarie-uy7lfit is the truth
@@DennisKiarie-uy7lf you the type of person to believe in gender identity
So much passion yet so little communication and comprehension skills but this content was very insightful
What a beautiful conversation
It's a headache 😫 😩. I can see how Nigeria is in the state it is.
I think UR comprehension skills was low because I understood everything.
Igbo really does have a way with words. He breaks stuff down so elegantly
I love how the man dressed in red eloquently explained the concept of comprehending God. He likened our understanding to being blindfolded individuals feeling different parts of an elephant, representing God, with our faith serving as our hands. Due to our blindness, each of us interprets and understands God in unique ways based on the specific part we touch, reflecting the diversity of human perception and experience.
However, His explanation didn't validate his point. If we touch different parts of the elephant and have different notions of the parts we felt respectively; like trees, wall for example, it doesn't change the fact that our notions are wrong, and the interpretation is false because it's neither a tree nor a wall, but it is what it is. Therefore, it comes out as a blind faith. This is why when Moses asked the God of Abraham what He must tell the people should they ask who his God is, God answered Moses ''I AM WHO I AM'' because He couldn't ascribe Himself to any other thing but Himself. To see God for whom He truly is, first, your eyes have to be open and there is only one who is capable of opening the eyes of the blind and His name is JESUS. Matthew 11:27 ''No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him''.
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pd don't you think it's "blind faith" to believe that the only person that can open your eyes is someone that a book said?
@@ilungatshitende7696 Valid question! To those on the other side, it's a blind faith, but to those who believe, it's a living faith because they now see. Following the analogy of the traditionalist, he acknowledges that he, hence those who touched the elephant remain blind, which means as a traditionalist, he still needs a savior to gain true sight, but who is the savior that can give sight? Many believers know Jesus outside of a book, He is not a myth, He is real. John 20:29 - Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pdMuslims today have not seen their prophet yet they believe
@@LightoftheWorldMinistry-mg8pdhmm what Jesus claimed is what a narcissist or cult leader would claim. The arguing is silly to me because 1) "Jesus" came to West Africa as a slave ship commanded by one John Hawkins 2) Nigeria was called the "Slave Coast" because of all the people that the Christians stole. 3) The main reason why West Africans converted to Christianity was because of a claim that people were sacrificing and eating each other. 4) Yet you converted to a religion that teaches you to pretend to eat a person and celebrates the death of an innocent man.
the traditionalists are generally so knowledgable. they dont explain things through their religion. they acknowledge that their beliefs are one perspective of many
True but that is only because their religion was converted to Christianity. When Christianity first came to the land they did not recognize him as God nor true. They only believed in their own faith.
@heistbros8575 the way you described it. Sounds how every culture conquered by Christian rulers. Did with their cultures. Thank you for that insight. Which I also think is why so many sects came to be.
@@heistbros8575 Or they became islamic. The muslim religion got a lot of their asses too way back then.
Exactly! I really liked the elephants analogy. Unfortunately it seems like the Christians in this video are very closed minded and are not trying to acknowledge anything else but their religion being the only way lol.
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“I have not yet hit the hammer in the nail”. Love these analogies 😂
I was dead😂😂😂😂
The guy in the black shirt on the left was the voice of reason. His calm voice was so refreshing. You only get angry if your arguments are bad.
The Igbo guy and the blonde lady are cracking me up! 😂😂
same
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Me too😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
RIGHT LMFAOO
What i found most interesting is that the traditionalists were knowledgeable about religion and spirituality overall. They even helped to support the Christians argument.
Well at the end they wanted to be called evil so badly. If Christians say they find them evil, they complain. If they say "as a person ur not evil" they still complian weird
No; they were giving examples from this and that and no true source of guidance and instruction
the vid is too short to be able to give a source. the only source the christians used was the bible. which is not a valid source.@@aaocs7042
@@aaocs7042incorrect, a lot of this is oral tradition has been lost through invasion, colonialisation. The Library of Alexandria was burned down by Romans which held spiritual ancient record.
@@asafo.academic.lectures what they said still does not add up to a coherent argument so they have lost. They are constantly criticising what the Christians were merely stating out of their bible and have no real doctrine themselves. They don't even know what the bible said and just made things up.
taiwo is so patient, i wish they actually let him speak more 😭 he’s so well spoken, and actually has great points
He spoke plenty, and cut many people off before they could land - misconstruing their words. I don’t think he was patient at all.
I don't know what video you watched but that guy was not patient
Yea but the words coming out are daft. He knows how to sound smart
I would actually like a conversation with him, because he sounded like he can make valid points and arguments.
He knows his stuff! I’m so proud of him
So much energy and passion! And such vibrant vocabularies, too. Braggadocious is my new favorite word 😂
As an agnostic this is absolute comedy 😂
Real😂
For real?
You're not convinced by any of the sides? 😂
It's hilarious! It's like watching kids debate whether Santa clause is real 😂😂😅
@@jointhecruise none at all my dad is a traditionalist and my mom is a Christian so I’ve just not liked any of the sided I don’t need a religion I just do what is morally correct in my eyes🤷🏾♂️
same here!
it seemed like a cockfight!....
Just because he’s a traditionalist does not make him evil… that woman is ignorant and she has a lot to learn. I am a Christian and because someone does not worship God the way I do doesn’t make them evil❤
She probably Saw too many nollywood movies😂
Huh lol
If you do not believe in Jesus...you definitely are!!
As a Christian you should stand by Jesus no matter what.clearly you have Alot to learn.How can you remain calm and understanding when someone says the Master isn't God... that's just crazy
@@tadiwamapuranga 🤡your a clown if you think that people that dont know or believe in jesus is bad .go back reading your bible you fail to understand it
@@tadiwamapuranga you’re a lunatic if you’re definition of evil and bad is someone who does not believe your specific god is real.
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My own is I want to be on this show... How??
As an african I am exxxxtremly offended to see you think this is best caliber of people you could find to debate on such a topic that requires deep insight and well articulated points made from an extensive background of knowledge. I could easily throw a stone anywhere and hit an african who is far more learned, insightful, composed, focused on the point, communicates effectively with solid arguments instead of some disorganized emotional regurgitations unrelated to the question and talking over each other with wild gestures.. And why only Africans or specifically Nigerians? You guys couldnt find traditionalists from other parts of the world? Apart fronm2 or 3 people here, it's almost like a group put together from some nigerian village, for the purpose of drama and riducule of Africans to the amusement of others.
I see each party’s points. But man I do got to say how entertaining this was to watch. I was laughing the whole time haha.
The Odinala man was thoroughly knowledgeable. Loved his analogy of the Elephant
Same
As a christian wish they got ones with better debating skills.
that was so fire
@@player-qn8mn honestly it was a hard watch they weren't answering the questions presented well
This was very entertaining. I love watching religious debates/discussions but I’ve never laughed so hard. Africans will always add flare to an argument that other people will state simply.
Please do a part 2 with different folks. This is a great debate. I’d like us to explore this topic specifically
Ok.
We'd consider that.
Thank you for the suggestion.
@@jointhecruiseyes do that
@@jointhecruiseNot just part 2. An entire series. This is gold
Seeing different souls arguing about the same thing is spiritually entertaining, we all worship the same God in different ways and we keep evolving through our beliefs from generations is my stance
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I see it similar because we are energy beings whatever we choose to believe in is where our answers/guidance will come from. Everything we need resides inside of us
There is only one GOD, and that is JESUS CHRIST. All other gods are dumb idols who neither breathe nor speak. Man made gods
I agree. Ase to you both
This is the truest and best comment!!
No, we do not worship the same god.
I wish there were questions about slavery, colonization and how Christianity played a role in that. And how traditional religions helped the Haitian Revolution
God Himself is against slavery and colonization, the Roman Catholic Church does NOT embody the teachings of Jesus Christ.
@@DanielPerez-ed4rn You are wrong man even my African American coworker whose grandparents were slaves told me that the bible was used to justify slavery and he has mixed feelings on the topic!! Here is Ephesians 6:5-8 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free."
@@nami20622 just because mankind twists scripture for THEIR advantage, does not mean God accepts it. What about you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet. You can read out of context all day long, Jesus came to set people FREE of spiritual bondage. But yes, men with evil in their heart will always use God’s word to push more evil.
@@nami20622 my friend, do you mind reading the rest? ”And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.“
Ephesians 6:9 NIV
Technically you and I, are slaves to our workforce, unless you work for yourself. If that is the case, even better. But for those who DO work for a company and have a boss, he/she is technically our master in that regard. Has NOTHING to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade. What happened with them, is COMPLETELY evil and against God’s commandments.
that elephant analogy and the monologue he gave after was amazing. i am not even religious yet i completely agree with that notion. we as humans are simply trying to understand what is so much grander than us, we cannot know all with our mortal minds. well done!
very entertaining video, though i know that wasn’t its purpose LOL
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Horrible analogy, here's why. Some people aren't even touching the elephant because they believe there is no God. Which means there are other people touching all sorts of things other than the elephant IF some aren't even touching anything, just empty space.
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dude in the black is twin fr, saying everything i would say and at a calm manner, love itt, God Bless Him, Holy Spirit was speaking through Him
He said nothing that have sense. Gi
he said a whole lotta nonsense
Read psalm 137v9.
Is that the word of your god?
I don't worship evil.
That's why I'm not a christian.
I think it’s really important to have conversations like this regardless if we agree or disagree
These conversations can be hard, but they will help us 📦
Respect to the man on black. Very articulate and respectful. He seems like he has a lot of wisdom to share.
amen
Exactly , he is wise
I like the way the man in red stands when he's trying to make a point 😊😂
shouting is making a point?
@@nompumelolomaking a point is making a point. Shouting is passion. Are you focused on volume or the words?
I’m a strong Christian and I feel they should have brought Christians with good debating skills
Rifht cause their answers are going based emotions and feelings… 🧍🏽♂️
Yes oo that woman know nothing
You can never use the contents of the bible when it comes to debate
To come defend a man made concept?? lol. Any time a Christian gets up to defend his religion he/ she switches off all the logic in his or her brain
What’s there to debate? Unless you’ve died before you are only hoping it’s a true religion.
I totally agree with the end statement when Mazi said “English language is not their language, they thought it is their language…you need to be able to understand English to read the Bible” .. personally I do not identify as a Christian. They want to have the conversation about religion but are very judgmental when the next doesn’t conform to their ideologies of how to serve and ways to do so. There are so many different versions of that book. No one knows the originator, chapters taken out, and as stated, it could have very well been written by man to take you from what you know and cause division and confusion.
To each their own. Do what works for you and I’ll continue to do my works✨✨
It is sad that most times when we, Christians, are called to defend what we believe, we 'fall hands'. Our places of worship are doing poorly in teaching sound doctrine.
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Well, how many of us will actually study our faith when many simply goes by what the Pastor is saying, plus the fact that we don't teach core doctrines.
Christians should not blame the place of worship. They should blame themselves. The church nor Christian leadership should serve as the gatekeepers of biblical or historical knowledge. You have to do the work yourselves.
@@olavu11 yes you have a point but don't forget that when you are born you receive education first from that home you were born into it takes maturity to self educate so the place of worship is part of the problem
Key takeaway from this video : I learned a new word "braggadocious". Thanks. 😄
Our pleasure! 😂❤
The way he said it was so cool.. I love Nigerians!🤣
Imagine😂
That got me dying 😂😂😂😂😂
Oh my..thats a new word to you? I must be really old already.
The colonisers deserve a raise, outdid themselves with this one
Honestly 🤣🤣🤣 we overtook there imagination 😂
Not all African countries accepted Christianity because of colonization. There are many that adopted it as their own, way before the colonizers learned of the religion
Honestly...FACTS
colonizers ate with christianity. You guys haven't lived around african witches and it shows
Ethiopia is Christian and was never colonized. They've been Christians for centuries prior to slavery.
Sometimes I think I'm insane, then I watch something like this and realize, people are waaaay more off than I could ever be.
What I have learned from this video is, you cannot argue with village people 😂
😂😂😂😂😂this took me out
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Omo! 😭🤣🤣
Wether they may be wrong, they’re still right! 😂
Chukwuemeka hears JESUS, and starts freaking out 😭😭😭
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Ignorance is bliss 😂
He was acting a fool the whole time. Him and the old lady made this thing very hard to get through
Manifesting!
@@jointhecruisedon’t bring that big auntie women 😂😂 she have no clue what she trying to say and she likes to look away from somebody who don’t agree with her beliefs that’s so childish to me see a grown ass women having bad communication
When it comes to debates like this, it is paramount to engage wisdom not emotion
Emotion goes into creating wisdom, without emotion, there is no wisdom.
Exactly, wisdom not emotion
a good use of both is good
These people would have a literal heart attack in the Caribbean, because we have religions that the entire concept is mixing Traditionalism with Christianity.
Pocomania, Obeah, Senteria.
Nobody’s religions is better than others, because all of it is so that human can put a purpose on their life.
This video is really good, as a Jamaican, it’s so interesting, because all of our traditional practices have Christianity and vice versa.
When discussing religions it must always be done respectfully and tolerant, understanding and listening even when you are mutually not agreeing. Everyone can have different beliefs but we are still human beings.
Yes and humans have emotions. This is the hottest topic ever.
I believe that is the problem. Orthodoxy is a culture created out of intolerance yet now we must be everything that they historically have not been and be tolerant in conversations.
,,we still are human beings,, that doesn t add with anything on the topic,is irelevant,it s useless
It s like sayin ,,that s life,, and you move on like u gave me some distinguishable argument
"beware of those who destroy history".. ...mmm listen, ths line here rings VERY loudly
the African canaanite who can't stay in his seat are responsible for changing the history in America along with his white jew-ish brothers who owned the slave ships; when hebrews ran into Africa fleeing war; these African canaanites like the guy doing all the yelling hunted them down and sold them into captivity, now think they can get out of serving like everyone else
The elephant analogy was soo smart. As long as you believe in what is good and evil, there is no need for competition. lets just love and respect each other.
The problem with the elephant analogy is that at the end of the day, each man is wrong. They're blind and none of them is right. The analogy also assumes that there is someone beyond the 4th wall who CAN tell its an elephant and the only way the blind men can be enlightened is if that person breaks the 4th wall and tells them through special revelation.
You also assume the existence of good and evil, but why? Why is respecting each other good? Christianity teaches God has broken the 4th wall and has told us the Truth. He created the world as good and good is that which aligns with His will. Evil entered the world through Man's disobedience and now evil exists as that which is in rebellion against God. Nevertheless, Man was created in God's image and that is why we owe each other respect as fellow humans. But don't be mistaken, friend, telling someone they're wrong and must turn to the Truth of Jesus as savior is not disrespectful, it is love :)
@@KD-xu3oe Christianity itself says it made what they call as the devil and gave him the power and allows children to be murdered because of "free will" while ignoring theirs to not be murdered. So if u people don't shut up I'm going to lose it.
@@KD-xu3oelol its stupid ur god in middle east cannot be true 🤡🤡🤣
I enjoy the passion in the conversation.
😭
It started stressing me out at some point 😭😭
Omolola seems to be a model Christian. She is full of love, light, insight, and grace 🕊 (thus, it's not surprising how much people talked over her)
Are you serious? Do know her from somewhere, have you met her before. Stop!
@@beverlyglasgow4831 Note that the person you replied to said *seems* to be
The day we all accept that every religion was created by man is the day we begin to rest.
Yeah rest in hell
We crave hope too much to do that
I wish everyone would come to this understanding, because this fight for superiority over an idea that was handed over to us by our parents whom if you ask them why they r practicing a particular religion wouldn't be able to tell us why, is quite baseless n unnecessary to me. We should chase spirituality if u r that desperate for hope n think you have to believe in something to achieve d desired hope, but if not then just be human n do humane things. Majority of these "religious" people ain't even humane at heart, so wats d essence of d religion?? We are having these issues in d world today because everyone wants to be superior n play "God", u can view a particular thing as bad but forget that ur neighbor isn't u n doesn't av to think like u n so he doesn't need to agree with ur "bad", then when he disagrees with u, arguments like this ensues, wars break out all because we forget that we r all different n everyone is entitled to his/her believe. Mtcheeeew
you think everythin that is known to us just came outta nowhere?
A very logical and practical perspective - moreso individual and personal experiences or journey will allow one to perceive a different view on how "God" or God works with each person.
This is great conversation. The traditionalists came prepared with facts to argue their statements .
Exactly!
Trust me, they were not prepared. Unlike the Bible, Tradition is passed on from Father to Son. I learned from my father, and he learned from his father. You don't need to prepare to answer a simple "What is your name question". You don't necessarily need to prepare to answer your beliefs. They are all above 25, so if they don't have an understanding of who they are for over 25 years, then what life have they been living? If both parties are to prepare, then we need a series and not just an hour video
shouting and speaking in circles is making a point?
True
This lady sha. She’s just reciting what her pastors have told her. I wish she knew how deep this thing is. How much Christianity has harmed us as Africans. Christianity was a weapon for colonialism and we are still deep in it.
I like how the man wearing full black came with his points nice and clam
That Yeruba guy, yeah
I'm Christian and can openly say the Igbo traditionalist is wise and correct in his thinking
lmao
Lmaoooo 😅😅😅
you cant be serious lol abeg
For those laughing at what they don't understand ignorance is bliss
@@onebigd313 yes. Ignorance is bliss that's why we refuse to know nonsense
PK times two here. Both of my parents are Christian ministers. One thing I know with certainty is that most Christian people; especially older ones, do not know how to properly advocate for their religion. Most times their approach leaves ‘nonbelievers’ MORE convinced that Christianity is not the way. The woman with the blonde hair is a prime example. There is a difference between being emotional
and being passionate. You can’t shovel a Bible down the throat of someone who doesn’t believe in it and magically make them believe 🤦🏾♀️ While I lean towards spirituality over religion there is nothing wrong with the character of Christ if you’re actually willing to win people over with unconditional love. Run this one back without that lady please and thank you 🙏🏾
I completely agree with you 100% and you and I are pretty much on the same page with where we stand.
Well said
“there’s nothing wrong with the character of Christ” is a misrepresentation of what we Christians believe. We do not just believe he was a guy with a good character, he’s The One and only God to us.
@@pedrogabrielmestrecobas5764 I’m aware of what Christians believe. I grew up in a Christian home; as I stated. I’ve also read the Bible and nowhere does it say that Jesus is God. Even Jesus himself said multiple times “It’s not about me, but the one who sent me.” However; that’s not even the point of what I said. I said that Christians need to approach ‘nonbelievers’ with the same unconditional love that Christ did.
@@kefiranicole2154 one thing is to read the Bible and another thing is to understand it, which you clearly don't. "He who has seen Me has seen The Father" John 14: 8-10.
"I and The Father are One" John 10:30.
"Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:54.
In the Bible Jesus is referred as the word of God, and in John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” so that makes Jesus God.
You can believe or not in the Bible, that is your choice and I respect it. But to say Jesus never claimed to be God is a big lie, and that I will not allow.
And yes we love nonbelievers unconditionally as Jesus instructed us to, but that and being judgmental of sin are not mutually exclusive. We love the sinner, not the sin. And not believing is the biggest of sins.
Growing up in a christian household don't mean you know Christ. God bless you.
Getting theist brooks and cliffe here would honestly be crazy
As a mixed-race White British/Black American who has struggled with some of the messaging behind religious instituations but who has been on a lifelong spiritual journey, some of what was spoken here really resonates. This was a great episode. I really appreciate hearing this discussion and learning more about African traditionalism. It has been eye-opening for someone who has been so distanced from their roots. Thank you for sharing 💜
yeah its important to learn more about the spirituality of our ancestors and to leave chrisitianity and other religion
African tradition is not monogamous. Depends on the region/ tribe etc. Christianity itself was birthed in africa since ancient Israel was originally south of Egypt ( Abraham settled south of Egypt GEN 13:1). Many African countries have people who practice both tradition and religion since most of the time routine does not conflict with faith
@@IonizedComa every african tradition is monogamous ! They believe in one gods but this one gods have differents form that’s all! And Christianity wasn’t born in Africa stop spreading this kind of lie ! Everything you said is your belief not the truth!
@@IonizedComa I understand what you mean, and I appreciate what you say about routine not conflicting with faith
May God bless and increase you as you journey towards Him.
the elephant illustration is excellent. I enlightened after I hearded it. Awesome.
The problem with the elephant analogy is that at the end of the day, each man is wrong. They're blind and none of them is right. The analogy also assumes that there is someone beyond the 4th wall who CAN tell its an elephant and the only way the blind men can be enlightened is if that person breaks the 4th wall and tells them directly through special revelation.
@@KD-xu3oe Hit the nail on its head beloved.
Let me answer you, no one has the full picture. Even the son of Man (Jesus Christ) does not know the day it would be. They called him God, how can God not know the day the trumpet will sound? Only the Almighty knows it all, and if Jesus his only begotten son does not know the day the Father will blow the Trumpet, does he then have the full view of the Elephant in question?
No one has ever been to heaven to tell us the story of the father, so we all are blind and can only describe the elephant in segments.
@@KD-xu3oe even if you’re blind, you can use common sense to paint an image that you can’t see. as much as seeing is important listening, it’s just as important if you listen to everybody’s arguments at the end of the day, I think that paints a full picture.
@@lowmorkn2192 in that case, common sense makes you see a snake where there's actually an elephant. And even if the blind men were to listen to each other to piece the puzzle together, they'd get a 4 trees with a snake on one end and a rope on the other. It still takes Someone with sight and true knowledge to reveal that it is, in fact, an elephant. Or, if you want to argue the blind men already know what an elephant is and just need to put their heads together to figure out they're touching one, it still requires then to repent of their previous falsehoods and embrace the Truth.
@@KD-xu3oefacts bro...at the end of the day...Only one thing is true, and only that one thing matters…. IT IS AN ELEPHANT…how you feel it doesn’t matter. What matters is that it’s an elephant 😂…
I love how bold the Christian’s were when talking about Jesus.
Yup the white Jesus cause they was wrong on many levels
I admire and envy it
It's not technically correct, it's showy though
I hope that the people who defend christianity are aware that their ancestors were not christians and suffered under christianity.
“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.”
We are already aware, thank you.
False, Christianity was already in Africa, new studies proves it
@@MohamedAlíSeineldín-1933 lol
@@R3ACHGOD Don't worry. We are just not what you think :)
Taiwo represented us Christians well. Boldy, respectfully and with insight. Very wise young man🇿🇦
Yes, Taiwo represented the information beat into us from our coloniser.. yal begin to sound like parrots 😂
Yes 🙌🏻🔥❤️
@@lexxbrown2075Christianity was in Africa way before it was in Europe. Educate yourself please
@@lexxbrown2075yikes study history 😅 lots of scripture comes from Africa . Both Africa , Middle East and rome where it started mainly alongside Byzantine area . Its just rome (west) is seen as the lead in the ancient world since the Roman Empire was the rulers at the time
@@lexxbrown2075colonisers?
The odinala man speaks so much sense and with so much authority and understanding. He understands the origin of his religion and respects that it exists in parallel to other religions. I think we as Africans need to research and learn more about our ancient religions before dismissing them as demonic as we were conditioned to by our collonizers.
May God Open your eyes. Peace. ❤
@@oluwajobabukola1508may he open yours lol
Exactly!🙏🏾 Many Christians don’t understand the duality of life and that many truths exist to many people, you cannot project your views onto others and think your belief is the only true belief.
@@lightednguidedah yes we can and we do… the fact you don’t think that’s the case proves that you yourself reject every Monotheistic religion as truth as they all claim there is but one. Moreover there can’t be ‘’many truths’’ when these ‘’truths’’ fundamentally contradict each other, it makes no sense
@@User81981 Christianity is bullshit and fairytales GROW UP
The moment I heard “I strongly believe traditionalists are evil” I was on the traditionalists’ side
You should form your own opinions, opinions not based on others feelings
That's because the apocalyptic religious cult of Christianity that she was indoctrinated into, by her European colonizers (whom in turn took it from West Asians) teaches her that. It really is true, there's no hate like "Christian love".
@@albertyoung3025 I do form my own opinions. The main one being that I don’t like when a religious group thinks they are the only ones who are right. I get it’s faith and of course anybody believes what they want. But you don’t call somebody else evil because they grew up differently from you. This opinion is based on MY feelings and who are you to tell me not to form my opinion that way? I also don’t know why you assumed I wasn’t personally affected by that statement
@@HexAddamsatheists believe that every other side is wrong?, and that christian’s are evil on especially on r/atheism
As soon as you hear that someone thinks something else is evil- they must be brainwashed. I was told SO many things were evil growing up, just to find out theyre not. So my ears always perk up when someone says that too.
We need Cliff Knechtle to be here to give a logical and rational objective and that guy can really answer the most hardest questions ever and still respect people.
That elephant analogy was great, and the guy who made it, the girl in black and the 2 guys in black were all that were needed for this.
He is a very knowledgeable man. He even nailed the English interpretation part... I learned a lot from him!!
This analogy only makes sense until the elephant speaks. God has spoken, first through the prophets and later through Jesus.
The elephant argument assumes there is an external perspective that sees the whole elephant. It sounds like a nice analogy on the face of it but soon you realise that you end up making the same claims as each of the individuals touching different parts of the elephant, specifically that you are the one that sees the whole elephant clearly while they are the ones that only feel part of it
Imagine siding with murderers. Shit is beyond me. And ur foolish Freemason gov just sits back with its hands tied
Not me thinking this was a Jubilee video and thinking woooo everybody Black today and and then clocking it was Cruise, I love it here 👏🏾👏🏾
Same girl! I’ll be binge watching the whole channel tonight 😂
This is the African Jubilee❤
Hahaha I was confused as well, but its nice having some african representation on such topics on youtube too : ) I wish there was also a european version since I am sometimes a bit annoyed by only seeing the american standpoints and opinions.
I love how they ask do you understand? As they talk. Ima start including this question into my conversations 😂
😂😂😂 me too
It's a Nigerian thing 😂
😂😂😂😂
And also the "hello" in the beginning of a sentence
It's such a ghanian/ nigerian thing lol
This was great
I love how my Christian African brothers and sisters are emotionally passionate about the Bible but the problem is we don't do research to support our weak arguments when debating on why Christ is the true representation of the true God. we kinda just say " it's true because the Bible say so" and that's not a great way to convince someone
Stockholm syndrome at its finest
Trust me there’s no other answer anywhere for Christian’s if it’s not in the Bible that’s why they never have answers. They are limited
@@domisdope1743for any religion
Islam is the way brother
Religion is not but understanding nature and loving ourselves is the only way, stop killing animals for food because they are not here for us but here with us. Love each other that’s it
If the guy in black that is a christian and the igbo guy in the fa right of the screen that wore his attire and was speaking with intelligence created a podcast and took on topics like this I would 100% without a shadow of dought listen to it on a day-to-day basis becuase of how interesting they are and the way the tackle the topics given to them and explain and give valid points on the topic at hand. I would see them making headlines as one of the best podcasts relating to religion inside nigeria and other countries.
absolutely ... being coherent and loud are two completely different things & they showed that!
Honestly, even as a Christian the woman on yellow was getting on my nerves with her off point
I agree 100%
I agree with you
That Elephant analogy was fire
Skadooosh!
It’s an old and tired analogy for anyone who’s spent even a little time in the interfaith discussion realm
That’s actually a very cliche statement and easy to refute
Cliche to y'all. New to me. Please dispute it I want to hear arguments.
@@OGAVBZ I think you misunderstood me. You said it was "fire" and I was saying it was "tired and old", not that it was "wrong". But I will give you some sort of a refutation, since your curious. One reason that I see that the analogy is faulty is that the analogy possesses a couple non-trivial presupposition: that all faith groups are "blind", and we are even "touching" the same animal. First off, we are not blind because we have the ability to reason and have articulated laws of logic that work efficiently to garner truth. We are not as blind as the analogy would let on. Secondly, it is fairly presumptuous to claim the the "God" of all religions is the same God, especially if different religions make contradictory claims about God's character-not to mention that some religions don't even posit a "God" (subsets of Buddhism, subsets of Hinduism) and some religions posit a pantheon of Gods (pagan, folk, Hindu, Greek, etc).
To add on, the analogy also assumes that it's the "blind" of each different faith group that make adamant claims about the elephant, however, that really doesn't even make sense in the case of a handful of religions, because Jesus (God Himself, according to Christianity) is telling us who he is through word and action. Mohammed is telling us directly from Allah's messenger about God's character. Unless you're willing to say these people we're merely hypothesizing and guessing (which would mean they were lying, since they were claiming to tell us direct from the source), then the analogy is not true.
I’m just here for the accents. I love it so crisp and regal. Love it! 😂
This is one of the most important debates we, as Africa, need to have. I had a Catholic mother, grew up a christian, and finally am a traditionalist who believes in ancestors.
Adopting foreign religions was the biggest mistake/ subjection we suffered as Africans.
@@djSeakDigitalagreed
@@djSeakDigitalbasically all of the modern christian nations but it wasn’t just accepting it, it’s because big empires forced it into their people and other peoples
And why don't you go live in the mountains like your ancestors and worship their gods too?Your ancestors suffered but you did not So the people who exist now have nothing to do with their ancestors
@@djSeakDigitalhow was it a mistake
I loved the guy in red he made great points. He needs a podcast😂
You are amused by murders
@@jameelabellingport6369 i guess I am
Joshua says, “choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord” (Joshua 24:15).
I am from Asia, an extremely Catholic nation in SEA and it also happens that one of my most favorite book of all time is Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart. I am thankful for my religion but somehow, I don't agree to most of it. I am 30-years-old now and I firmly believe that the only religion in this world worth honoring is the one that encourages us to be a better human being. If one's religion says love one another but the actions prove otherwise. Then that is no true religion.
That’s Islam
the elephant example was the best from the guy in orange .on point
That's was nonsense how God can not be an elephant lol no wisdom at all Oh Lord have mercy 🙏🏻😂
@@ploymusicandlifestyle5067 it's a metaphore
@@Rwigass oh man I'm telling you you shall know the truth and the truth will send you free !
@@ploymusicandlifestyle5067i respect your faith but is it blind faith or have you studied your religion and exchanged ideas and researched deeper? Its not a sin to be open to learn other point of view to understand our own beliefs.
Yesss!! I need is social media handles. He’s very open to knowledge. Knowledge is powerful✨
Love the show but we need more learned people that can stay on the point and not get too emotional 😅
Idk I love the intensity man it’s something we don’t get from Jubillee and it is kind of hilarious to watch
Religion is emotional though
@@afiamanuwats Exactly! If you wanna see people losing their minds, and be all over the place, start a debate on religions.
Are emotions too distracting for you ?
@@afiamanuwatsNo, not always.
Every christian should check out the book " I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist " by Frank Turek, it's a great tool to help be prepared to defend the faith. Also we gotta make sure we be fasting and praying before entering into conversations like this
🤣🤣🤣🤣pleaseeeeee!!
Yes, great book!
Frank is great teacher I love that guy 😊
I agree 100%. I love my fellow christians but we are doomed if we cant properly and effectively defend our faith without all of the emotions and recycled talking points. We need to take time to individually read the bible for ourselves and fast and pray for understanding without the help of the church.
Why cant god just come and tell us ourselves on the news? Why do you have to struggle to defend god. It is almost as if god does not exist@@chiadi9713
LOL I wonder how many people thought this conversation was hostile...this is a very calm conversation although no one could stay on point it was definitely a respectful discussion.
Awesome and thought provoking discussions as always. I look forward to the next one!
Glad you enjoyed it!
We have more interesting conversations coming up 💪🏽
I've not even started watching but the beginning where the traditionalist said "that is bragadocious" killed me 😂😂
This debate needed a mediator.
Hmmm.
That wasn't the goal of the show.
@@jointhecruise The goal of the video was to hear opposing or similar viewpoints. You cannot do that when everyone is interrupting and speaking over each other. Nor did we get a solid viewpoint from each participant. 4 people got the most discussion in, which isn’t equal to everyone involved or watching.
@@jointhecruiseMaybe you should listen. Since I thought the same thing too. The purpose of a mediator would be to make sure everyone have a voice and that there is order.
@@chasewalker6844 This has been addressed in our recent videos. There is moderator but just behind the camera.
@@jointhecruise sounds good, Great episodes so far!
"How can you tell me that the person smoked ganja and started speaking on his own terms"😂