Are the ELDERS always right?
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00:00 Intro
00:36 What an elder sees sitting down a young man can't see standing on an Iroko tree
07:08 Respect as demanded by the older generation is over-done
15:26 Modesty and morality are loosing its values among younger generation
25:38 The older generation are the cause of the country's current problems
34:20 Boomers would act as the current Gen-Z if they were born in this time
40:26 The younger generation are too dependent on technology
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Great arguments from both sides.
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A lot of African/black parents think that if you disagree with them or say no, you are being disrespectful
Exactly. I mean saying no outright is somehow, but as one grows he/she must make their own decisions, which most rational parents realize. Given, with the advice of others, but it is up to him/her to decide where to work, who to marry, their children, etc. It is more of a problem when the parents' decisions backfire, rather than having such embarrassing situations, I'd rather open up to my children's insight so I can also make guided decisions as well. The dogmatic behavior is too much, that your offspring are your children does not mean they are kids forever, they will be grown ups just like you.
Exactly,it's so annoying u being my elder doesn't all u do and say is right and I can disagree with you on that .
You can disagree with your elder but how you say or express it must be respectful in terms not shouting or using harsh words. Disagree with my mum all the time but have learnt to say it in a respectful way.
This 👆🏿
@@jacintaazure9270 You are lucky you have an understanding mother.
Praise God for that
Respect does not mean obey mindlessly
Thank you. Say that again
Clock it!
That's the issue with a lot of African parents growing up .
As an African/Black person alive today- teaching your kids to not question things, to not have a voice, and to not trust their own opinions is setting them up for failure.
Exactly you can be respectful without obeying if they’re wrong.
“We’re not talking about your experience” the narcissism is crazy💀😭
Right! And so condescending
But they weren’t tho
I swear it's bloating!
The fact that the Gen Z’s would let them talk but as soon as the Gen Zs started to talk they wanted to argue rather them let them finish their point.
Exactly the young man was trying to explain but the lady kept cutting him off. She wanted him to say what she wanted to hear rather than understand his point.
The problems with elder is they don’t want to be held accountable for their actions, they believe with age their behavior and actions should be excused
That's the same for young people! They make excuses for doing dumb stuff, then blame it on their young age, which is why they take no responsibility for their mistakes. They don't like to listen and think they know everything. The elders are the reason why you're here.
@@FreedomBiafraI bet you liked your own comment
@@FreedomBiafra That's the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet
Accountable for what exactly, what evil have they done that needs to be punished? And whose job is it to punish them, the children, the state??? I want to understand the full context of what you are saying, because what you are saying is way too broad and can be interpreted in many ways based on people's feelings and experiences and everyone is different and feelings are not a dictator of what is right or wrong.
Do you think parents should not have boundaries when it comes to their children and what do you think would be the consequence of that?
@@Michelle-uh7qi A lot of elders are reckless whether it's with words or actions, they alienate their kids or the younger generation because they are quick to judge and to anger. If they are the wiser ones they need to prove it within their actions.
The mentality of "not questioning authority" is what led us here in the first place
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Yes i agree with you
Precisely. The how the rich and political elites treated the masses anyhow, and our parents didn’t do anything about it. I’m glad our generation are standing up for themselves.
Not questioning the presidents policy or the fact the expresident bought his adversaries g-wagons instead of giving aid to the citizens .
Do they still want to respect that, then how is that wise?
This is why Africa is always held back.
“don’t fight the system” is a colonizer mindset. That’s why Africa is in the position it is in today, change only comes from challenging the current status quo’s.
bro ur so real for this. all of those adults brains have been minimized to putty. they can't see past their own limits. i blame colonization...
Love my African sisters and brothers as an African, but you are right. Submission is in our culture. Stuff like whooping too. They have been in fear for so long, they cant even rebel, which mind you, is the way the world changes. Being afriad of change, being in "fear" of God instead of having a relationship with Him, its crazy. The day they choose humanity over religion will be when they are 6ft under
They care so much about LGBTQ and women dressing the way they want while
they look the other way when there's corruption and poverty. Priorities
smh
EXACTLY! NOBODY owes the status quo or nation anything, since they were FORCED AGAINST THEIR WILL into the world by their selfish breeders.
Yeah pan africanism(the belief of all African nations being united) was originally socialist in nature to fight against centuries of colonialism
The guy in black and conrows is a complete Gen-z rebel and I love it! 😂😆😂
I lived vicariously through him 😭😭😭
@@farfalles2665 fr fr
I personally think he was doing too much
You people r killing me😂😂
FR, he is the best, he is so funny hahahah
As an African child this conversation proves that’s elders talk to be right and not to listen or hear different perspectives. Once you disagree with an elder you’re disrespectful.
True ! :(
It sucks because we truly have a beautiful culture but stuck and won’t grow because our community thinks like this.
One of the elder said « we did that with our elders so now it’s our turn » 😂😂😂 for the elders we should continues this vicious circle
They just want to be right, it’s an ego thing
I think that is too overarching a comment to make. As a Nigerian myself, The elders in my family listen to what I have to say. But that only came after I had enough experience in life to have an opinion worth listening to. After I have lived a life of consistency, I've made many mistakes but they listen to my opinions. It started about when I was 23-25
The bible also advises fathers not to provoke their children to anger
Thank you
They always leave that part out
They love skipping that part
They don’t like that verse
I've brought it up to my mother many times but I just realized she never actually responded to it. Meanwhile she will spam "the bible says you should honour thy father and thy mother" like bro...
The GenZ were articulate and willing to LISTEN to the opposing elders, however the Elders were so DEFENSIVE and lacked humility. The refused to listen, not surprised. This was an opportunity for wise counsel, they were so over bearing and seemingly ignorant.
*Welcome to talking with African Elders.*
My favorite quote of the day “that thing that the elder sees while sitting down, we will use drone and helicopter to see it”😂😂😂😂😂😂
But is that right really 😂 that’s totally being ignorant of the true meaning of the quote
@@RenceTn drones and helicopters can also mean the internet. He means that technology can give better advice than an elder
You're not supposed to take that saying literally
@@Philosophical_Recommendationsoh ok, that makes sense, and that is true though that with access to sites like google which serves as a gateway to exhaustive results of informative web pages you don’t need to get help from an elder - just use the internet
@@Philosophical_Recommendationsno it wont 😂😂
“Rebellion won’t get you anywhere, your elders are your elders, just deal with it”
That’s HORRIBLE advice.
Literally!!
Watch your mouthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That advice is very much accurate!
@@bilongmarlenepetiniasahran1734yessir massa. I’za listening
@@bilongmarlenepetiniasahran1734 no it isn’t our world is literally built on people rebelling y’all get onna net and just talk
If you listened to the entire point she made, you’d under that you’re taking her point out of context
If you're demanding respect, then you're an oppressor!
Well said!!!!!!
Respect authority it's true an elderly person might say something you don't agree with but you can still Respect their opinions as an older person and make your own decision with the information that person has given without being disrespectful if you keep up with those claims that the demanding Respect is oppressor
We will end up with a society that hate authority and unruly and broken as we see that's where we are heading
We might claim God is an oppressor to since he demands Respect and to follow his commands and doesn't matter what God you believe in everyone's demands Respect
@@shibahtash4700 Well said. The commenter's statement is one of the example of moral decadence we are talking about. They copy an illusion of the Holywood and the internet and the immoralities of the western world, which a lot of westerners ever frown at. The authorities in the western world are now even getting a grip on this unruly behaviour of the younger generations.
@shibahtash4700 nope, if you profess the ridiculous, expect to be ridiculed
@@topps19891 hope you understand ridiculous is objective
At the end the Auntie said “drop your phone sometimes” but she held her phone the WHOLE interview😂😂😂
lMSADODA
Everything she said was contradictory. She didn’t come to make sense 😂
Exactly my anger
LMAO
I am an elder woman, and as a child growing up I did not understand when an elder does something wrong, and a young person tells them they are wrong, the elders will say (do what I say not what I do) that is nonsense, ñow I am an elder I see some of the elders live on tradition and culture ( I am not saying culture is bad but most of these saying they make up and it passes down, so now the young generation find out these saying does not make sense, some of the young generation today, have more sense at their age, than when we (elders) were their age, also tell those women Ito put their phone away. 😅
28:10 “the gen Z’s are rebels”. She doesn’t know how huge of a compliment that is. A fire danced in my gut to hear those words roll off her tongue 🔥🔥🔥
If an entitled African elder said that, I'd thank that elder
Fr
Fr
It makes me so happy 🥰 It feels like a compliment
I am not a Gen Z but I love them. I don’t have to agree with them in everything but we must evolve as a people and it starts with change.
Lmaooo who else is watching this and their blood is BOILING listening to the elders arrogance ?
Boiling!!!
As in eh. It’s not difficult to see why and how they ran our African nations down.
I honestly thought it was just me coz this was genuinely infuriating
Me!!!!
Bro 😂
I’m a younger Millennial and I think what parents fail to realise is that they are raising children based on a world that doesn’t exist anymore. Culturally, I will always show respect to my elders, but if you talk to me in a way that is rude and unwarranted, then I’ve lost my respect for you, sorry. I believe when you value your child’s thoughts/feelings and learn to take accountability (cause parents aren’t perfect) then your child will automatically respect you. My Dad is very strict but very fair - he always listens to my brother and I and acknowledges our personhood, our feelings, emotions, and thoughts as young people navigating this world. That is true respect. We wouldn’t dare disrespect him because he has never disrespected us or talked down us - and that can’t be said for a lot of parents, sadly.
🙏🏿 🙏🏿 🙏🏿 Yes children will learn respect when parents treat them with respect.
I was taught to respect older people but my parents set boundaries on what people could say to or about us.
I think they could take a leaf from a court of law, you cant just go off of one persons opinion or feelings, it needs to be backed up by facts and evidence, proof, they seem to think grey hair warrants respect😂 Now we know damn well grey hair means absolutely nothing. They just sit and spew opinions that just don’t amount to anything, respect is earned & lost depending on that persons actions, respect should not be blindly given.
There’s ho new world my dear. There’s nothing new under the sun. That’s a lie of the enemy. Everyone when they are young think something new and wonderful is happening. And when we are old, as I am now, we are trying to redirect you guys because we made the same mistake.
@@marizechevo1843 I think you’re misunderstanding. Things will change/evolve with every generation, it’s just a normal and natural part of life. The way my parents grew up is very different to how I grew up. My Dad was born and raised in Senegal in the 1950’s and I was born and raised in Australia in the 90’s. He could not raise my brother and I as if we were living in the 50’s in Senegal, but he did make sure to teach us Senegalese values and cultural practices. As long it’s not something destructive or bad, then humans should retain some of the old, and learn to accept some of the new. Change is inevitable - you either get with it or get left behind.
I kept watching Zia's face and I truly see and feel the composure that she was trying to keep while the elders kept shouting. They were so respectful in the face of disrespect from the elders.
*They are African. If those young people raised their voice, they would have received physical punishment. They must keep themselves in a calm manner. African upbringing.*
The wisest man never stops learning…
And the fool thinks he knows everything, well said 👏
@@bottom-shotta right
Yup
My blood pressure is rising listening to this. The elders are blind and can't see anything past their own perspective.
It's basically "I was abused by my elders, and now it's my turn. Or just be quiet and survive"
Actually they are deaf…cause they’re not open to understand opinions
Girl yes. I had to cut off at the halfway point. The elders are not interested in learning beyond their beliefs.
@@mariedimi973 It's both. They are blind and deaf!
Not their fault, in forming years their brains were traumatised and forced to stop thinking critically and challenging what they personally found to be wrong in this world. Cognitively today, that's the only way they know to process a challenging idea. Shut it down, regardless of the outcome. I think slavery and colonisations found a fertile terrain in West Africa because of these ingrained societal behaviours. Other cultures and civilizations fought and continue to fight oppression very harshly and very often through violence. Not that we didn't do so too but African civilizations overall particularly West African societies, demonstrate to have been trained across centuries to be docile. From the inside. Perhaps for needs of a rural economy with small villages and necessity of hierarchical organisations. These psychosocial dynamics have helped foreign powers and authorities to impose themselves too easily. And it's time to change it for good
When they said u should still respect a murderer and a colonizer💀
"that's the problem with gen-z's. they think they have brain"
these people are so far gone.
TBH These Elders won this argument
What did your generation do to change the world?
A person who thinks criminals should be respected because the are old. How sensible is that logic
You're not trendy fam you're just daft @@rasheedamao4505
@@rasheedamao4505no
This video triggered me. The gaslighting, lack of accountability, and shutting the gen z down. All of them are the same
The modesty prompt is interesting because before Europeans invaded Africa, we basically dressed half naked. They say that we're losing our culture and following Europeans but the way they are saying is a modest way of dressing comes from Europeans.
This part!!
I was thinking this myself. The Europeans sexualized our native dressing
Europeans have perverted our cultures, our bodies were not historically sexualised until invaders and Abrahamic religion came. Even our traditional dances are sexualised.
The mentality of most African elders is basically "Do as I say, not as I do."
Ofc. What's wrong is that?!
@@bilongmarlenepetiniasahran1734 you can’t give someone advice you know you wouldn’t take. It’s contradicting.
@lehna9253 how?! Not all advices go for everyone. I may advice you on sum shit in a particular situation and it works. The next day, I may be in that same situation, use my advice, and it wouldn't work. Soooooo yeah
@@lehna9253a drug addict can tell you not to take drugs. Advice is free for everyone to hear and anyone to give
Where did they learn that mentality from?
Even fools grow old 😅
FACTS.
And the youth will follow suit. What goes around comes around.
Underrated comment.
but a old fool has been fooled many times
@@f1shado413and never learns as a fool 😅
“We will use drone and helicopter to see it” 😂😂. I love the guy in glasses and hoodie
But his other points are really bad
@@prosper17 All his points are bad, reading through the comments is a good indicator of not arguing with kids.
This other lady on native gown is really wise and will most likely have great kids, her goal isn’t to talk you down or make you feel stupid she just wants us to understand things from her angle and that’s not something you see easily in their generation, she deserves respect and accolades
She’s the best tbh, she’s the only one who is actually breaking the cycle
shes great
She is STILL A SELFISH BREEDER!
trueee
thank you...i too feel like she understands and shes not condescending
notice how many times the elders tell the youth to “calm down” “just deal with it” this is gaslighting they are not trying to listen to them
They were contradicting themselves! So if there is an elder doing bad, I must not rebel. I should not provoke the leader but to let him be, prostrate, and say a prayer for grace. Yet I am expected to lead a movement to make a change due to my youth? Nonsense advice.
I'm glad the youth are waking up from this old mentalities af generational abuse. The
These boomers are just doing what they are accusing the Gen Zs of doing.
Using questions to answer questions, insinuating that all Gen Zs are bad but not all boomers are, gaslighting and manipulating these guys yet they are talking about respect.
What an Irony 🤣🤣🤣
I think these Gen Zs are even acting calm.
Nigerian elders don’t listen
yess ! so sad.
Same woman who said we’re not talking about religion, kept bringing up Bible and Quran
They only can’t talk about it when it’s something she doesn’t agree with
Exactly 😂 mentioning God in every sentence until they were asked. They’re too judgmental and arrogant and unteachable
@@gracyetimThey use religion cuz religion supposely came from God so it can't be debatable
Dyg?😭
How ironic
the girl’s ability to come back with different scenarios to explain a point is so brilliant❤
This reminds of the mindset seniors had in secondary school
"I was bullied & so must you too"
Just because you chose to respect your elders even when they did horrible & wicked things doesn't mean i have to give you that as well. Same way i chose not to be a bully just cause i was bullied, i won't respect you just cause you're older than me. If you want my respect, then earn it. Its not your right & never will be
Notice when the girl asked the woman in red if she is a Christian on the issue of dressing & women wearing trousers the woman said "let's not bring religion here" but the elderly people on this panel (including her) are always first to bring the bible, quran, church, God even the Devil & other various religious terms & figures to this debate when it suits their argument, this shows you how hypocritical the older generation are
I said the exact same thing. Even when she said she didn't have a problem with the girl's nose piercing cause she has one. I bet you if she didn't have it, she would have spoken to her with disdain and contempt.
Likeeeeee I also noticed it too, they’re so hypocritical
@@omokweprinceonyebuchi9623Very hypocritical set of people who think that their old age signifies infallible wisdom & opinion, so annoying
@@nayasdocuseriesSha thank God I wasn't among the Gen Z there because by the time I openly call out their BS & hypocrisy they would have really seen what it means to be disrespectful to elders who want respect but can't give out none, I actually believe in respecting people based on their age but that shouldn't get to their head, these people don't know that respect is reciprocal, I respect you you respect me but no they just want to be tyrants, dictators & sanctimonious folks yet they wonder why we blame them for everything wrong in Nigeria
@@charlesenek3153 You have said every thing on my mind! They want to reap respect where they didn't sow it.
At the beginning of this conversation, I was already annoyed by the elders. Contradicting the whole point of the video, already starting off on a egotistical high horse. The elders were not "listening to understand" they are listening to be right and argue points. They behaved as though they already came with their own agenda; to put the youth in their place.
exactly! straight from the jump they came off as feeling superior over the youth
😂😂
Well, everyone most likely came to put the opposing side in their place, too.
I disagree, yes the elders did speak from a place of privilege, but they were able to listen to the genz, rather the gen z boy with the dreads was the one who was rude and condescending
Maybe we are not watching the same video LOL @@DavidTobe-df7tn
@@theweepingangel8393 abi, from the first prompt, they couldn't let them Gen z complete their points. It's like they shouldn't even speak. The girl was giving her own experience, but they were trying to justify why she was treated badly, "maybe you were arguing?" 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
24:12 "I don't have a problem with nose piercing because I have one"
Just imagine
Because it was okay by her, it isn't a morally corrupt thing to do 😂😂😂
I like Keye Olakunle's points and the fact that he's probably the most calm of all of them there.
He is an intellectual
Humanity has forgotten the “golden rule” treat others as you would like to be treated…you show respect until the disrespect is given…after that it’s up to you whether or not you oblige…and age has absolutely nothing to do with it
Louder for those at the back!! Respect is a right until disrespect is shown then you have lost that right regardless of age
Thank you oo..I just tire..respect is a constant value to every age. Even a baby ..a kid age 5 . A teen..all in all whatever position you find yourself in the age bracket older or younger, you deserve to give everyone his or her respect. Whenever said person starts to show some nasty or dirty attitude that doesn't deserve your respect..simple..don't give them the respect. These said elderly people are just egoistic and so shallow minded especially Africans. Look at where we are. Saying respect is a right but yall generation ruined us locally, internationally..look at our country..even the region as a whole..still living like we are 30 years behind..electing leaders that can't even take a shit properly (Tinubu eleribu). Omo see walai ..make everybody day him day. Their days are gone already. Let them keep crying respect is their right
Exactly!!! I agree entirely. Everyone is entitled to respect unless they give you a reason not to respect them. What I would like to add is that respect can vary. The respect I may have for my teacher would differ to my parent as it would to my peer; that is okay though.
@@olalayi-araba9246 THIS!!!!
I agree that age has nothing to do with it, but the golden rule is supposed to be unconditional - the whole idea is to treat them how you want to be treated whether or not it is reciprocated. So I’m kinda confused on this point
I feel like with many older african ppl they say they want respect, but what they really want worship. Respect is reciprocal regardless of age. Worship isnt. Its absolute.
How is respect reciprocal if I may kindly ask?
@@bibahmawutor9959do unto others what u want done to you. That phrase
@@bibahmawutor9959 Respect is reciprocal as it involves mutual consideration and understanding. Treating others as you wish to be treated is a manner in which respect can be reciprocated. If I greeted you as a form of respect and good manners I would expect a greeting back, however if you just look me up and down and ignore me that is disrespectful making respect only one sided.
Even in the case of the video,actively listening to someone's opinions even if you disagree creates an atmosphere where both parties feel valued and acknowledged.
Whereas occasions where one of the debaters is cut of by the other side without at least attempting to genuinely understand fosters negative emotions resulting in the other persons feelings not being respected or valued.
@@Oaties_55 hmmm interesting.. I now see how people say respect is reciprocal. I personally respect my parents and people of age and authority regardless of their behavior. I just accord it to them. I respect my father whatever may happen I can’t undo it, but if he reciprocates then it’s fine, if not the onus is on me to still show respect.
@@bibahmawutor9959 I think I do that too...kinda. When my parents do some bad things I don't have any respect for them at all but I still have to show it. They don't care if I don't respect them deep down as long as I'm worshipping them they are fine
Job 32:7-9 NLT
"I thought, ‘Those who are older should speak, for wisdom comes with age.
But there is a spirit within people, the breath of the Almighty within them, that makes them intelligent. Sometimes the elders are not wise. Sometimes the aged do not understand justice."
This showed me how similar black/African American elders are to African elders. We have the same issues in our own communities amongst different generations especially when it comes to the “respect your elders” mentality.
How is it okay for the elders to label us all 'rebels' but if we call them 'thieves' it is a generalisation and disrespectful.
Chile 😂
@@VICADICREATIONS I hope it wasn’t someone close to you…the deeper we go the more corrupt and wicked I find many “successful” elderly to be 😩 they are one’s telling women to bleach and men to rob
GIRLLLLL!!!! IT'S WAYYYY BEYOND ME. THE HYPOCRISY IS SMELLING TOO MUCH
@@VICADICREATIONS same way a teacher lied about me on 2 occasions to my parents. They believed her. I even showed evidence that I was telling the truth, but I rather got into trouble.
@@ebenezeramponsahbediako8373 This is sad. I am so sorry about your experience.
“Just deal with it” is a crazy line… just because you experienced mistreatment means others should 😅 LORDDD
That is 100% her trauma speaking, she’d been taught that things just are the way they are and she’s experienced abuse from ppl older than her. So her only knowledge of coping or acceptance is just allowing it. Crazy line fr
Some people actually need that to understand. Not everyone gets it with speeches etc. Most people must feel it, to get it straight in their minds
@@justushightower8316can't really blame can you?!
If you listened to the entire point she made, you’d under that you’re taking her point out of context
This is serious....they feel everyone should go through pain as they did....how on earth is that a sign of growth.... really getting pissed off
Y’all were strong to be sitting there talking lol I would’ve walked out 😂
sharp 😂
If you noticed the quiet guy gather here😂😂
He never said anything
This was very aggravating. The older generation are hearing but not listening. Zero critical thought
They don’t teach critical thinking in the African Education system
thank you
yes its very sad
Literally no critical thinking at all, there’s no use in trying to argue or discuss anything with them.
Because it doesn't benefit them in any way. They said in different words "elders treated me like shit so is my chance now to do it to the younger generation"...is all projection and entitlement
Even fools get old. Respect must be earned. If someone disrespects you, it means to them you don’t deserve such honor. Instead of crying about that, live your life.
The honor part is what they dont realize is what makes the full circle of life. No honor = no life
Fools get old but their stupidity still remains unless they work to change it.
The ability to learn something online vs in the classroom hasn't made people dependent on technology, it just made education far more accessible
24:08 “I dont have a problem with nose piercings, because I have one” sums up how much narcissism is involved in this kind of debate. Its about what they want and feel like.
my Gooooooodness. I gasped
The elders are so infuriating. They're not listening at all and are simply listening to respond instead listening to understand. It was difficult to get through this video without being incredibly frustrated.
Fr it’s like talking to a wall
Too relatable
I knew I was born in the wrong generation 🤦🏾♀️
Literally they’re so classless honestly
Honestly dislike the fact that this channel basically brought the same 1 type of person, in different fonts. There are so many older people who do not think this way, so why bring only the same mentality on, no diversity of thought whatsoever
The Gen-Z girl is very brilliant...presented logical arguments and elucidated using everyday topics. I give her Kudos!!
The elders treat the Gen Zs like they are children. Bro they are in their 20s. Gen Z starts at 1996, the oldest age of Gen Z is 28.😂
@@sir_will_iamwell the one lady said “we see them as grown babies” 😭
@@sir_will_iam and they said gen z should change the system, when no gen Z can run for positions of power 😂😂😂😭😭😭
@@vivianoladipo3517i swear ...if they can allow us run the government with full chest
In my opinion, the issue lies in our elders' reluctance to accept accountability for their actions, as they tend to believe that age should exempt them from responsibility. Also, as an African child, I see this conversation as evidence that elders often prioritize asserting their own views over listening to different perspectives. Disagreeing with an elder is frequently viewed as disrespectful. Regarding modesty in dressing, I believe our generation sometimes goes too far in the pursuit of body positivity by exposing too much skin.
" we know we will not lead you astray" thats a crazy statement
"You have no right to judge him"
HE'S A CRIMINAL ffs 😭
😂😂
Dead...lol
Litteraly, a thief that I'm supposed to let steal my stuff and show restraint and respect lol.
@@LeeTheLeehahahaha. Most of child molesting are done by this old generation and get away with it
😂😂😂😂😂
“Your elders are your elders, just deal with it.” Shows how much she is willing to listen to the younger panel
it also show how her time has expired if thy cant even agree on what gen z are saying then the idea of them being wise is up rooted in foolishness.
@@God-Tcause it is foolishness 😂. Your elders are your elders, whether you like it or not! You owe them respect. They shouldn't provoke you, for sure, but even if they do, are you going to kill your parents because they "provoked" you?!😂
@@bilongmarlenepetiniasahran1734 if they are truly wise and deserve respect then this show should b a live-stream with gen-z & elders talking & people around world asking them argumentative questions, like the "Whatever show" for modern girls thing, put there wisdom where mouth is. enough with th ignorance & old equals wise silliness.
@God-T you didn't answer my question boo-boo. Will you kill your parents because they "provoked" you?!! Plus I didn't tall about being wise. I spoke about the fact that they will always be your elders, whether you like it or not
@@bilongmarlenepetiniasahran1734 nobody is owed respect
9:36 They talking about it's their turn to get respected is where the problem is. Respect is not gained on a "first come first served" basis.
this is CRAZY! i’m glad my mom didn’t agree with these elder beliefs.
This was a painful watch. These "kids"showed a huge amount of restraint. The supposed "elders" in this video are airheads, especially that aunty that was trying to drag every discussion spiritual
She literally proved herself wrong when she talked about how she chose to not treat her kids the way she was treated by her mother. Actual proof that the elder is not always right.
"They are embracing a European way of life."
Said by people wearing European clothing, speaking a European language, practicing a European religion, while preaching European customs that didn't exist in Africa until relatively recently.
oooooh you ate. This is such a good point 😭😭😭
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Agreed. My baba does not see the colonial mentality when speaking to me.
THANK YOU. I was literally saying this the whole time😂😂😂
@@TheDestineyy no, they didn’t choose to have western culture imposed on them anymore than we did, but they often fail to recognize that they’re influenced by European culture and trends the same way we are
"Dont fight the system" ... thats crazy. In my opinion Aunty talking about the past affecting how she would deal with the youth is exactly how generational trauma moves down through generations.
That mindset of walking away, thats what makes the older generations to bottle up their feelings and think that they’re not worth hearing
GEN-Z consistently presents logical arguments, while the Elderly often let emotions cloud their judgment. Just because the elderly ones expresses themselves clearly doesn't guarantee intelligence, and it's a fact that some refuse to accept. I mean just look at how calm GenZs are compared to these so called adults. I’ll love to be on this show someday, I love debates like this and I would love to make a lot of these illogical people look stupid.
👏🏾👏🏾 eloquently said!
How are you going to say older people let their emotions cloud their judgement but then you go and judge them and call them illogical ? And say you want to make them look stupid?
@@celestea_. My reply isn’t for brain dead people like you👍🏾
It is quite obvious you are biased and have too much pride to listen.
@@celestea_. Are you slow? You just proved why they're illogical, because they let emotions cloud their judgement. If you're an older person as well, then the irony is massive.
“That’s the problem with the Gen-z…” Here we go again 🤦🏿♂️
Here we go again, my bro 😂
Honestly if you know the amount of times i hear that everyday 😂
@@jointhecruise elders like to say their wise but the truth is their just highly emotional, gen-z are asking logical questions.
I am big on respect especially to elders …you don’t have follow a bad advice and even if you think an elder is wrong ….respond with respect and keep going and sometimes too much intelligence is a problem especially to Gen z but what y’all lack is wisdom
@@trishapatrick8363funny you talk about wisdom when all you old fucks have left is corruption, poverty and misery, believe me you’re not one TJ talk about “wisdom”😂😂😂😂
Growing up in an African household, I did not have a voice at all, I had not idea when to talk or when not to. They ask u a question when u try to answer they say you are talking back, when u don’t answer they say ur ignoring them, like what do u want from me? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
This !!!
In Africa we emphasize on respecting our elders, but to be honest is there anything to respect about elders:
• who plunder the continent's resources, selling them for peanuts, just so they can buy trinkets
• who care more about power than their people
• who refuse to give opportunities to the youth yet they're the future
• who engage in moral decadence yet they're supposed to be role models
All fingers seemingly point at the youth for being unfocused, but the buffoonery starts with the elders
On a community and national level, the elders are supposed to lead by example
the old people dey trigger me sha. abeg no gree for anybody this year
Dem no fear God at all...... we no go gree
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Elders always seem to have excuses instead of solutions to traumatic occurrences.
Literally all the woman in orange- red said was 'this is bad but deal with it'. She even acknowledged that their own behaviour is a pain but just sort of accepts it as 'normal' and inevitable
The lady at 42:18 was spitting facts. There should be third spaces where people can go to have fun and interact with others without needing to spend money.
What shocked me the most was “don’t fight the system” how can you as an elder day that? Our ancestors were enslaved, you think they gained freedom by showing respect and obeying mindlessly like zombies? They fought for freedom. The system is designed to hold you back. I don’t know if they experienced trauma or they had bad guardians, but you can’t unload on a youth because of your personal experience and ideologies, sometimes it has 0 meaning to them and your just wasting your breath.
My exact thoughts. This mentality is actually so painful I’m just glad gen z know better
Correction: This group of gen Z knows better. Not all
@@giannaoladimeji3878well thats ironic
This was my first thought
I may not understand why he said that but maybe life experiences.
As a Haitian child, I can agree with the younger generation. Especially with the “blind adoration” being equated to respect. They are not the same.
Big Zoe 💯🇭🇹 I refuse to be a sheep
The elders definitely don’t know the definition of respect
From a naija perspective. I can see how the system got this messed up under the noses of our 'elders'.
Mistakes have been made truly.
Lets respect each other overall.
West Indian/Caribbean parents are the same way. It's that "my way or the highway, you must blindly believe everything I say because I'm older" mentality that has caused so much trauma and disconnect in families.
Haitian American here and I agree.
Trinidad
Guyanese here. And this is very true. I've had so many arguments with my mother because of this, and she's constantly learning.
Jamaican Canadian here , thats facts
I’m Guyanese-American and this is so true! One of the toxic mentality that our elders have is they don’t believe in apologizing when they’re wrong!! They won’t talk for couple of days before they do it!!
The amount of disrespect the elders gave to these guys and the amount of restraint they must have had to learn through out their lives. omg it was hard to sit through
The younger guys were also being disrespectful
nope they were very rspectful, at a point the elders were just speaking off point, wrong facts and information but they still let them speak and held back.@@chidude6616
@@chidude6616 not nearly as much as the parents 🙃
@@chidude6616no they weren’t. They were trying to talk and get their points across which is the reason of this debate bot the elders kept cutting them off.
@@chidude6616 did we watch the same video? When were they disrespectful?
I've seen so much insane decision making by elders, mistaking their age for wisdom, that has ruined generations of their own family.
Not me pausing this anytime my parents pass (cleaning the sitting room) cause i don't have energy for argument, quarell, suppression and drama. In this house, they are always right.
22:33 when white people first arrived, we were not the European version of modest. The men had hair braided in elaborate styles. The women had there chests bare. These photographs still exists. This idea of modest comes from europe, where the woman body is highly sexualised.
the women were not all just walking around with their “chest bare.” certain tribes in more rural situations did but for the most part african ppl definitely wore clothes, plenty photographs display that. you ppl love applying the noble savage trope to your ancestors, women’s bodies was sexualized back then as well (they’ve been since the beginning of humankind) & the concept of modesty doesn’t come from europe, it’s a common idea on morality and ethics that a lot of different cultures have independently came to (although to varying different forms)
@@tonyeffik6781they haven’t been sexualised since the beginning of mankind … you don’t even know what you’re talking about
@@Daniella1117 yes they have, it’s you that don’t know what you’re talking about. it largely depends on the exact culture that’s being talked about because in some ancient cultures nudity wasn’t necessarily associated with sexuality but alongside those there have always been cultures that throughout mankind’s history have associated the human body with sexuality (i’d say the vast majority of them). if you subscribe to christianity, only time they haven’t ever was in the time of adam and eve where no one knew what nakedness was; asides that sexual symbolism and imagery has always been present in various forms of ancient art, literature, and cultural practices across different societies since forever
@@tonyeffik6781There is nothing savagery about walking around bare chested, and the original comment was right. You're ignorant, but that's typical for people who express themselves like you. There's an additional element of patriarchal control stemming from religion but that's another comment for another day. If men didn't lack self control, women would be able to walk around bare-chested like men do without getting sexualized or possibly assaulted for it.
@@tonyeffik6781yes they were walking bare.
being "respectful" to somone and having "respect" for somone are two diffrent things.
I just view it as a difference between being kind. I will give you grace, and be kind/courteous to you. But that doesn’t mean I respect you. I can’t respect someone I know nothing about. But kindness is given until one proves they are undeserving of it.
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thissssss!!
Yessss
Its like telling someone in sn abusive situation to just deal with it
I'm actually glad and want to commend the producers/directors, they really picked intellectually sound people, with emotional intelligence and wisdom, especially the older generation candidates, I wasn't expecting from them. Kudos to you guys, it made the debate worth it and had a direction.
Currently at the 14:20 mark...this is why Nigeria is where it is. Excusing villainous and corrupt behavior of elders due to tradition? Chai how unfortunate.
Quite sad, actually.
exactly, talking about it's not our right to judge, like hello??
I just weak 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wtf
@@sakurachan9088 after voting for someone to get paid, you have no right to judge. Oga, they are our employees
This was a hard watch. Older generation has no room for understanding or comprehension
I'd even say that these particular ones are more open minded than the average😭😭😭
They are so stuck on to their ideologies. If you do not learn to grow and change your life will remain stagnant.
Bro😂😂😂
They know about survival, and how to survive. This generation only knows about “living your ‘best’ life”.
@@uniqoEnEspsurviving in modern times is not an achievement lol
As an African-American that family has been in America for over 300 years I find this topic so refreshing. When it comes to American subjects, it is always based off of emotion and no intellect. However, this topic is very rich in substance and I am really enjoying it.❤❤❤❤❤❤✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The elders were talking about how "arrogant" gen-z was and how they should "humble themselves" and have restraint, but couldn't even restrain themselves from interrupting while others were speaking and couldn't even have a productive conversation because they already came into this without an open mind and just to argue that they are right. 🤷♀️
My 2 cents:
- many elders demand respect not because they uphold it as a value, but because of their own ego and resentment. They couldn’t stand up to their own elders, which caused anger and resentment. Now they’re taking that anger and pouring it out on the generation after them. It’s an “if I suffer, you too must suffer” mentality
- I agree that the younger generations can be extreme sometimes, especially when it comes to morality. But there’s a reason for that - many of us watched our parents and elders suffer in silence, in the name of “morality”. Many of us also watched our parents twist and bend morality when it was convenient. Like the Gen Z girl said, many elders have a warped and hypocritical view of morality. For example, a man is physically abusing his wife and kids, but the wife is expected to stay with him because “a good woman keeps her home”? That’s an extreme example, but how about when our parents tell us to lie for them when they don’t want ti see someone? “Tell her I’m sleeping” “tell him I’m not at home” Or when they act respectfully to their own elders but talk badly about them behind their backs?
- Sometimes, what the elders call morality is just fear and people pleasing. Their reasoning for doing or not doing something isn’t their conscience, but fear about “what will people say”. They need to acknowledge that sometimes we don’t uphold morality because some of us didn’t have great or truly moral parents, so we didn’t see it modeled for us correctly. Their morality was built on shame, and our new generation is a shameless generation
- Age can bring wisdom, but age alone does not determine wisdom. Even the Yoruba culture acknowledges that with the term “agbaya”, which means “old fool”. You can be old and foolish; they’re not mutually exclusive. Btw what many older people call “wisdom” is just culture and tradition
25:38 im not sure if this is an editing issue, but the older generation didn’t really answer the prompt. The question was whether the older generation caused the nations current problems, not about whether the youths are doing something to fix it
Yes, you’re right! think it’s ego and resentment too. If you’ve been a horrible man or woman your entire life, then you don’t deserve my respect. I’ll respect you based on your actions towards others. And ‘elders’ seem to be claiming that title younger and younger, because I definitely wouldn’t classify either of the women on the panel as elders. Seems people just want to be in a position where they can finally tell others what to do, act how they want to act, and not be accountable for it.
@@dijonay971they are in their late 30s to 50s, more middle-ages. To me elderly is above 59. The entitlement that comes with them demanding respect at the same time mistreating the younger ones seem more common these days
you just summarized this whole baby boomers gen z argument
It's giving boarding school mentality. When I attended FGGC, my classmates claimed they had the right to do what seniors did to them to the juniors coming. They even dealt with some naive SS1 who just came 😂😂😂. It's the entitlement to claim something from people who don't owe you anything because some people took something from you before. Especially in today's Nigeria, you can't tell me at 22 that I've done something wrong and you as an elder is clean😂😂😂 whatever you accuse me of , I learned it from you.
Goshhhh! This is so triggering because accountability is lacking from the older generation
they’re so rude!!!!!!
This whole conversation just proved how arrogant elders can be.
When elders ask you if they're lying and obviously they are lying, I'll tell them that they are lying because if you are not telling the truth, you are lying.
“Don’t fight the system.” Wow.
But the same people said “fight to figure out how to change the system” 😂. A confused bunch.
I was actually very shocked 😂
The whole "I suffered therefore you should also suffer, thats the system" thank you but no thank you. Keep it 🤣🤣
A good parent suffers so their kids wouldn’t suffer
That's a very sad statement over there. And this is the perception of many of the African parents
@@choicenzeakor2144that us what comes with having children, that is the choice they made, not the childrens fault
Do you get... They are saying something else .. culture is different from demandimg respect.. can you pls earn my respect.. this is why I get it hot with my elder siblings and mum
We've lived through this conversation so many times we dont needa even watch the video. Their minds arent gonna change
The guy in the baseball cap is wiser than all the elders put together - and I am 60😅😅😅
Aunty in red is annoying 🙄🙄, and I’m not even Gen Z 😂
She's insufferable.
Like fr i was thinking the same thing😂
Fr
Exhausting
like facts she keeps interrupting can you let the person finish that is the height of disrespect
using the same mindsets that got millions of us kidnapped from our homelands smh just because your parents abused you does that mean you have to abuse the future generation??? we must have grace with each other as well as hold each other accountable
@@soandso5058 but them doing something bad goes against their worldview. They feel they can do no wrong
how did abuse reach to the topic you are the pple who creates situation out of nothing
@@davidhagin6323 it is abuse darling they keep using religion to justify bad behaviour which is the same tactic used during slavery
Why are the elders acting like their generation isn’t the main generation in the government and no way they’re trying to see the internet is the problem😂😂38:57
the funniest part of this conversation is that both sides showed elements of being centered in their ego, but not many will see that and are instead focused on claiming one side over the other. even simply waiting for one person to finish their point before speaking neither side could do smh.
The youth in this panel is so brave! The second hand anxiety I feel just by listening to these elders is insane.
yess the fact that some of the elders were their parents??
Fr😅😅
I was triggered a million times
@@justliving919 I'm telling youu😆
I swrr😂😂
Why do I feel scared hearing the genz disagreeing with elder 😂😅
trauma babe 🥲
@@dattwofacedgeminiSerious trauma man 😂 It’s like talking to a brick wall man at this point I just don’t respond.
because you know you could get backhanded any second 😭
Same tho 😭 I get heart palpitations from this but that’s a conversation that need to happen.
Omg same! I quickly realised I’m watching from a screen😂.
i’m so glad i can sit down and have conversations like this with my Nigerian mom and she actually listens and understands where i come from and vice versa. these elders just think everything they say is absolute and don’t want to listen to what the youth has to say.