Don't Make This Mistake! - Why I chose The 16" MacBook Pro with 64GB Instead of 32GB
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2021
- New MacBook Pro M1 Pro and Max 32GB VS 64GB. From a filmmaker / Photographers perspective I will share with you why I chose to go with the 16" MacBook Pro with 64GB's of unified memory and the M1 Max chip instead of 32GB's with the M1 Pro chip. Don't make a mistake by misunderstanding how unified memory works.
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nonsense video, downvote.
I’ve never needed more than 16gb of Ram and I edit canon R6 10 Bit footage. In my opinion 32gb of Ram is more than enough.
Indeed 32 more than enough specially with that high bandwidth
The SSD is really fast anyway, so even if your CPU needs to do some swapping, you won't notice a thing.
Would you recommend the highest M1 Max chip for video and motion graphics?
R6 10 bit can be taxing but not anywhere near what multiple streams of 6K 12 bit ProRes RAW or ProRes 4444XQ with both primary and secondary color corrections can do. Especially if you begin to add any motion graphics or multiple tracked power windows. But hey 64GB is definitely not for everyone. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🙂
I edit my channel using an base level M1 MacBook Air. It has 8 GB RAM. Using activity monitor, I never use more than 7GB. I edit 4K HQ footage form the R5 in prores out fo the Ninja. Sometimes, I edit canon log. The M1 with FCPX can edit just as fast as the iMac Pro 2017. It's even 60 percent faster at exporting. I will be editing more 8K footage, and the M1 MBA is not optimized for 8K, but for 4k, its finer as is 8GB or 16GB for family use. For professional use, spend the extra to get he M1 Max for the video encoding capabilities of the chip. I've yet to find anyone that really explores how much ram is needed... However, it you're using Divinci resolve or premier, you will need more ram. I'd recommend 32GB for 4K editing.
Nice video. Just one clarification, you are not going to "wear out" an SSD. The devices manage the use of the memory components and to use up the memory would require a phenomenal number of read writes over many many years.
The main "problem" with the new MBP is the display, it's better than most monitors. You cannot use it in a clamshell mode now as you are missing out on the best thing in the laptop !!
I didn't think of it that way! I was thinking more how the monitor is going to change the HDR world and allow creators to push out more HDR content. Before monitors of this caliber would be out of reach for most creators. Interesting point! Thanks for watching!
Quick tip- If you bought the new macbook and do not have budget for 4k monitor and you do video/photo editing, buy a 1080 p monitir and run the preview in your laptop
yeah waiting out on that mac mini m1 max 👍🏼
Wait, you really can’t close the new macbook pros when connected to a monitor. This is not good.
@@ceeece Of course you can.
Now that we are a few months into it, and I myself got a maxed out 16"... based on the tests with the baseline M1 Pro vs Max... the differences are not as extreme as you would think. In many cases, M1 Pro is enough, and when it comes to RAM, 32GB vs 64GB based on the comparisons I have seen don't seem to make much of a difference. I am returning my maxed out 16" and going for a 14" M1 Pro with 2TB as the higher storage is actually more useful to me than anything. As an FCP user, any of these new machines will fly! This is a really exciting time for Apple users. Apple silicon kicks butt.
Absolutely you dont need a M1 Max, a M1 Pro is sufficient, i would then use the money saved to increase storage, i own a M1 Max 1TB, 32gb, it's overkill and wished i looked into it much more, before spending the extra money.
Unless you do any gaming at all on downtime. Then the max becomes clear as day.
I think the differences ARE extreme when you do a lot of GPU intense use llike Blender(3D modelling) and Gaming..
It is not about the CPU, RAM, or Storage. It all depends on what you'll do on a daily basis with these machines. Most people will get the M1 MAX with 64GB ram just to create PowerPoint slides and Word documents.
Totally agreed! I’ve recommended the M1 MacBook Air to a lot of people since it will fit most peoples needs. For me I’ve been waiting for some time and really hope this new machine will help me get back to being creative without worrying if my machine can handle it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
But I think he was quite specific about Filmmakers and photographers
Thanks 🙂
You don't need Mac for MS Office
@@henson2k you need memoooory for that. I kil 8gb memory m1 everyday
You are totally right, I took the max 64 for the same reason. I don’t want any bottleneck nor SSD swapping now and in the next 5 years, and I only use Xcode.
I'm thinking about this as a 5yr purchase too! Just like the old MacBook days! I think a lot of others are doing the same. Thanks for watching!
I'm a coder too. Upgrading from a 2013 MBP and hoping to use it for 8 years again.
Best time to upgrade in my opinion 🙂! These new MacBook’s really seem to be what we’ve all been asking for. Thanks for watching!
You are among the few professionals who actually need and can make use of the power of these new laptops. These are not average consumer devices like iPads, iMacs and MacBook Airs. Too bad thought that Apple didn't came with a M1 Pro/MAX offering for Mac mini.
Yes I would agree! It is a huge investment and really it’s a tool for someone like me. Definitely not something everyone should run and buy just because of the hype. That is why I was sure to mention my use case and how I will use it as a professional. Definitely wish they would have released a Mac Mini! Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Yes Mac mini pro would be ideal…c’mon Apple
They’ll release it once sales slow down for the MacBooks 🤣
did the 16" w/64GB and 2TB personally. Super excited. My 2018 MBP is simply unable to keep up with my daily demands, and the 2020 M1 MBP I have is definitely right there where I need it to be, but I have many use cases where I can definitely feel its limitations as well, so I traded it in on the 2021.
Congrats on the purchase! Super exciting! I have the M1 Mac Mini and I definitely agree with you. It’s a great machine but I need more. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment 🙂
What was the trade in value?
@@Evermore2017 only $1k, but I got my money's worth from it over the last year, so I'm not salty about it - and I didn't A.) want to try to private party sell
B.) want to keep YET another computer (I have 7 already) around
So I happily took the 'loss' (again, easily worth it over the last year from my usage) and very much look forward to what appears to be 'perfect'... crazy times.
My main usage is photography. I've ordered a 16" with 64GB (It hasn't arrived yet). I don't really need 64 GB currently, but in several years time? I am upgrading from a 10 year old 17" MacBook Pro, and hope to use the new laptop for many years.
That’s awesome! Congrats on the new purchase!
I've the exact macbook pro 16" i9 with 64gb and 8gb vram that you had, but on all the benchmarks I've seem the difference in performance comparing m1 32gb with the m1 64gb, or even the m1 16gb model is minimal, and was hoping to save money on this upgrade from the 16" i9 64gb to a 14" m1 pro with 32gb ram... can you provide real world tests supporting the advantages of investing in the 16" with 64gb ram? I do mostly work with adobe suite, specially Adobe After Effects.
Thanks to this video, my thoughts are more cleared. I am okay to buy baseline MacBook Pro, if I am satisfied with where I am. But if I wanna become more than what I am now, I really go for that Max and 64GB. It’s not a decision but, thanks for the help.
I tend to always look to where I want to be and make choices that move me closer to that. Glad I could could. Thanks for watching!
One way to mitigate the wear and tear on the main drive is to have a separate scratch disk set up. In this way you can go with a lower capacity drive, if you are budget constrained.
Correct! I use several Nvme scratch drives daily. It also helps speed things up so the internal ssd can focus mainly on the OS and application tasks. Plus it saves on Apples crazy expensive storage prices. Thanks for the comment 😀
From all the tests I’ve seen doesn’t matter how much RAM you have it still uses the swap cache on the drive and that’s the case in the Mac Pro with 192 gigs of RAM down to these new machines.
You are correct it will still use swap memory regardless, it's mainly a question of how much it needs to use to keep memory pressure down. The lower memory pressure the faster the system runs. Hope this clarifies things a bit. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, I remember the Max Tech guys saying this even on their Mac Pro with that crazy 192 GB of RAM.
Guys this isnt Ram its Unified Memory, seriously theres is a massive difference between that and Ram. Its like having 64 GB of Video Memory
Exactly! And who wouldn’t pay a ton for more video memory! That amount of VRAM is unheard of in a laptop. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed that’s really unheard of anywhere, a top spec desktop dedicated GPU tops out at 16GB VRAM
hi i have a canaon xf 605 recording at 10 bit 4 .2.2 will this actualy work with it or am i best looking elsewhere
I have been working not only with 4K 10 Bit 422 footage but also 6K 12bit RAW without any issues. This new MacBook is by far the fastest computer I've used for video editing, it has definitely made my workflow much faster. Thanks for watching!
What do you guys think is the coolest specs available to choose? Is 16GB cooler than 32GB ram? I guess 32GB could be cooler because less need to swap memory on SSD.
Thank you to someone that has tested, temperature is everything for me. Hate the fan noise that comes with higher temp.
I was heavily leaning towards the 14" for lighter weight and portability, but I didn't think about the cooling angle. That makes a lot of sense.
A lot of reviews have come out showing how the 14” fans turn on much sooner while the 16” rarely come on. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed I will probably regret it, but going with the 14 still. Size and over one pound less is too good to pass up.
Did you regret this decision or are you happy that you went with 14''? @@CanuckQuest
@@CanuckQuestdo you have any update how the 14 has gone so far? I'm planning to get it and wondering if you happen to regret getting it
@@7SeasOfQ I bought it, returned it and did an awesome PC build instead. For me, I wanted the freedom in this case to have 12 TB of nvme ssd for lightning fast storage amount other things. I believe that level of storage in a Mac is about $3000. So it just wasn’t the fit for me.
I got maxed out specs on the 16” with 2tb storage but it won’t be here until around mid December 😭
Same here man lol the same specs but with 4TB storage and the delivery date is mid December,
there is a lonnng way a head of us buddy lol
Yeah soon people will be waiting till next year 😔. Thanks for watching!
When did you put in your order? I put mine in immediately after the website updated and curious where that cut off was, cause mine arrives next week.
@@Abe_Stewart_Music I put my order in on day 2 and Apple says it will arrive the end of November early Dec. but it did depend on what configuration you choose.
@@Abe_Stewart_Music I put mine only yesterday and the ETA is Dec 16-21, I was a little late to the party... but now I'm considering canceling it and ordering from another 3rd party online store that will deliver much faster, perhaps from B&H, BestBuy etc... otherwise there is about a month and half wait time for me.
Hey i was creating a bunch of orders so i can choose once i check out, im stuck between both the 14 and 16 inch with either 24 core or 32 core GPU, 64gb unified memory, i mainly do music production and also edit 4k videos , should i just upgrade gpu all the way or save some money?
If you only had enough for one upgrade on the 16" Macbook Pro...would you go with 64gb ram or an extra TB in storage?
That was exactly the choice I was faced with and I went with 64GB. For storage you can use external drives but there is no way to increase memory once you purchase it. But with that said I know I need 64GB, if your workflow doesn’t require it maybe go with more storage. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
i had a hard time choosing between the 14 max and 16max and i went with the 16"one just because i want better battery and better thermals. I don't mind the extra bit of weight..
I don’t mind the weight either! I’d much rather have better performance vs lighter aesthetics. Thanks for watching 🙂
Judging by how the 13" handles thermals, doubt the 14" will have any issues even maxed out.
@Tweed Penguin the 16” has almost 4hrs of extra battery, extra gpu power and ram if needed and of course bigger display..
@@GlenReed I wonder what would happen if we converted the weight for men. Cos yall have more upper body strength than I do. I've ALWAYS been a 13"/ 14" kinda gal. I travelled a lot. But honestly now I wonder if the 16" isn't actually in a way MORE portable- more battery life, more screen space so that you feel like you can actually do stuff on the road... hmmm.. damn you apple and all these choices >:[
@@getawaystherapy like most things the extra battery power amount is determined by how powerful the other components are its powering. If getting to top end Max processor it'll use more battery than the entry level Pro processor - that'll effect battery life somewhat.
Everyone will have their own need and use case. This is his need and use case and explanation of why he bought what he bought. If you have a similar workflow to a pro filmmaker/editor it’s good info.
The right answer on what is enough is based on your personal circumstances
Thanks! I appreciate the comment!
It’s rather time to wait a little bit for the actual tests and reviews : embargo is lifted today at 9:00 am ET. Also it is a first gen redesign, they probably will be « gates » and resell value might not be that great. My guess is that the smarter move would be to get the entry level mbp 14 now and spec out a Macmini Max when it’s available if need be.
I’m excited to see all the unboxing and test videos today! I wish the Mac mini was ancient along with these MacBook pros, but I can’t wait any longer unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
my main concern is portable laptop with power- excuse the dumb question but would it be smart to get 14" m1 max 64gb ram? or would 32gb ram suffice? i do multitasking with final cut, photoshop (ligh/med), lightroom (heavy), web browsing (med). TIA
I use Lightroom and photoshop daily for heavy composite work and the extra Ram definitely helps during long sessions. Plus the Adobe suite in general sufferer’s from memory leaks at times which eats up memory. Final Cut is very well optimized as is Davinci Resolve so depending on what you are doing (basic editing vs ofx) and what you are working with will make a difference.
Side note: if fan noise is an issue the 16” is much quieter and has better battery life.
Hope this helps!
If I just wanna buy a MacBook to capture my game play. Cod, 2K, etc… what option would y’all suggest?
I work in IT and usually do some coding and also run a windows VM in parallels. I just went for base 16” with 16gb RAM
Still a solid machine and will probably serve you well! I wish I could get by with less but my job demands the high dollar performance. Congrats on your purchase! Thanks for watching!
I would have gotten the 32gb though at the very least if it’s the m1 max. Otherwise, if it’s the m1 pro then that’s perfect
Future proof is always the best option. I got the same thing 64 gb 16 inch as a videographer and photographer. I doubt we will see an update for a while, and if so it won’t be major. They really outdid themselves this time.
Agreed! I think this is a MacBook to keep for a while. Thanks for watching!
Sir could you help me picking the right version to buy for use with music production on ableton, logic pro?
I keep making a specked version but since its rather expensive id like to make an educated decision on one that is right for my needs.
I got the 14in Maxed out with 1TB for video editing and after effects. Did I do too much? Should I go down to a 16in 32gb?
I personally would go with the 16" M1 Max 32GB rather than the 14" for the better cooling and the "High Power Mode" when needed. But I also don't care about portability as much. After all my camera weighs a ton so what's a few extra pounds 😂. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Resolve, After Effects, Cinema4D, Lightroom, and Blender are all solid reasons to go high on RAM. I ordered 64GB as well.
It’s crazy how many people have been commenting that it’s a waste to get 64GB. I personally think now that the memory is shared it’s even more important to go with 64GB. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@GlenReed Because on most workflows.. 16gb is enough... Even on video editing... The benefit of 64GB over 16GB is not worth the price to most people... Lets not forget these are not cheap devices..
Been editing on m1 16gb and never did i feel like i needed more memory... But applications like blender.. Thats where you will see a significant benefit from more memory because it allows you to load more textures and larger scenes... But for video editing 16gb/32gb is good for most people
@@GlenReed To me, not getting the 64GB model would be like someone buying a base model supercar. If you can warrant the cost of a $250k supercar, surely you can afford a $350k upgraded version. If you can't afford the latter, you probably shouldn't be buying either.
@@bren.r exactly!
@@bren.r This is the absolute dumbest logic. Buy what you need based on what you're using it for. Just because you CAN burn money, doesn't mean you should.
Interesting video, however did you actually do any benchmark or real world test on the new laptops rather than the old ones? All the videos I’ve seen shows that the 16 and 32 MB ram M1 pro keeps up with even the craziest multitasking feats
Every workflow requires different needs. I currently have 3 M1 systems and although they are fantastic it’s very easy for me to push them to their limits. With 16GB I regularly use an additional 16GB of swap memory and still need more. If you don’t need that much definitely don’t spend the money, buy what you need. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Apparently the answer to the original question is “no.”
Is there any risk in getting the 24-core GPU - considering the binned cores?
Hey there!
question: My MacBook Pro from 2014 is now stating to lose power and battery.
So I'd like to buy the new one.
I don't do any video editing of working with graphic programs.
But I use the MacBook Pro daily for work with multiple programs at the same time, lots of Safari Tabs and some other stuff.
Do you think that the 16 GB Ram with the M1 Pro is enough or would you recommend me the 32GB with the M1 Pro?
Thanks for your video :)
Cheers!
Honestly if you only do light tasks even the 13” M1 with 16GB would probably serve you well. Thanks for watching!
For video editing the 64GB make sense. My tasks are mainly (native) compiling & debugging and some light image progressing. So I think the 32GB are enough. Taking the max model makes still sence because clang (xcodes compiler) is really bad with cache cohesiveness.
Definitely only buy what you need. For me 64GB is needed but its not for everyone. Thanks for watching!
For music production you don't need all those GPU cores on the Max but it makes sense to get the 16" Pro 1TB model because you will have more screen and less fan noise.
Definitely more cooling on the 16” from all the testing I’ve been seeing. Thanks for the input 🙂
@@GlenReed I have the 14 inch M1 Max 64 and the fans never come on. I think Apple says their M1 chip does not get hot as the intel chip they used for so long.
I think you might mean 14"? I would recommend watching the latest video from "Max Tech" they show how the 14" thermal throttles vs the 16" with the same specs. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed Yes 14 inch thx
No problem 😉
When you say you had 64GB on "your preview" Macbook, do you mean Intel based? Because from what my research told me they work completly different, and 16GB on M1 is (kind of) equal to 32GB on Intel... hence 32GB would be plenty even for your workflow right?
Hi Glenn, thanks very much for that great review. I edit on Final Cut Pro, but I also use Photoshop, Illustrator and above all After Effects on a daily basis. I was planning to get the MBPro 16" M1 Max with 32GB/1TB SSD from Best Buy because they allow me to pay it off over 36 months. Unfortunately, they don't offer 64GB RAM as a choice. For my current workflow and for the near future, I'm shooting in 4K and don't anticipate an 8K workflow anytime soon. Is there a noticeable or significant difference in speed between 64 and 32 GB of RAM when it comes to After Effects CC 2022?
Hey! Unfortunately I don't use After Effects so it's hard for me to speak into that. But if you don't plan on doing anything past 4k and only lite stuff in After Effects 32GB should be fine. What I would suggest is buy it and then give it a try with the hardest workload you can to see if it fits your needs. Thankfully Best Buy has a decent return policy. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Just keep in mind that adobe is far slower on Macs and more demanding than Final Cut pro runs smooth like butter cause it was mainly designed for it
I am upgrading from a M1 Mac mini with 16GB RAM to a 16" M1 Max MBP with 64GB unified memory and 2TB SSD.
Basically the same move I’m making, but I chose to go with 1TB since I mainly work off external drives for my editing. Congrats on the new purchase! Thanks for watching!
the 64 gb macbook pro 16 inch with m1 max for a photographer will be a overkill unless you edit 8k or 12k videos into those baby beast machines and doing a lot of 3d video transitions
Photography actually takes a lot of memory for heavy composites. But I definitely do a lot of 6k ProRes RAW which my current system doesn’t handle well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🙂
@@GlenReed wondering what is your current system
Yup i have the new color iMac and those are perfect for editing photos
@@GlenReed 64GB is wayyyyy overkill. 16GB is more then enough for Lightroom and photoshop editing. I have no issues editing thousands of large RAW files with my M1 Air 8gb. This isn’t just basic edits either. Color grading, multiple gradient filters, healing tools, dodging and burning, and sometimes even stacking photos for Realestate photography. Never stumbled one bit. Don’t waste your money on 64GB of Ram unless you are doing crazy stuff like heavy 3D rendering or 8k video editing with multiple layers.
I must be doing a lot of crazy stuff then 😂. I’m constantly pushing the limits of my M1 Mac Mini with 16GB.
Regarding the extra cooling in the 16" - Another youtuber tested the 14" MBP on a blanket with the bottom fans and intake covered, and only saw a fan increase of 500 rpm (3500 to 4000) and did not increase the temperature at all. In fact, he couldn't do anything to get the temperature over 55 deg C. The only difference was the fan speed - the 14" made a slight noise at 3500 rpm while the 16" remained whisper quiet at 1500-2000 rpm.
Thanks for the comment! Indeed he would have a hard time getting the system to go over 55 deg C because it’s designed to thermal throttle to control temperature. It may not be noticeable in minor tasks but in extended heavy use it would. Hope this clarifies things a little. Thanks for watching!
Oh yeah Max tech did a video showing the thermal throttling between the 16” and 14”.
Does 64gigs has the same throughput and LATENCY as 32gigs? Power consumption? Doubling the RAM must surely decrease battery life significantly.
64 GB ram option was around us for a while now. And I don’t really think anyone that does only video editing should buy a 64 GB memory option, it’s too expensive and way too much power. It’s not like if you purchase the 32GB option you’re going to face problems. These machines are extremely good, energy efficient and there’s no any thermal problem because they’re not getting too hot.
Have been checking out reviews and benchmarks and some people got better results with the 64gb on davinci resolve than people using an RTX3090 desktop gpu with an 16 core cpu and 128gb ram in 8K footage. This laptop is hella expensive but performing like an expensive piece of equipment and barely using energy to do so. For the first time I can say Apple made something that is worth it's price tag. Also it is small, powerful and with an display that is the best laptop display in the world. Really amazing product.
That’s awesome! I’m super excited to start using this machine and have the freedom to be creative. Thanks for sharing!
Best laptop display is the world seems a reach, certainly better then most and in the top, but there are oled laptops out there with wider colour volume and per pixel brightness. Possibly lacking peak brightness, but otherwise oled is hard to beat.
Just my personal opinion 😉 thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed oh this wasn’t pointed at you, but towards the commentor Jean. Just a big claim making sure it is grounded comparatively.
I’d love to know how well the new MacBook Pro works in sunlight or outdoors. I was playing with one in store and surprised it wasn’t brighter. It may have been a colour profile limiting perhaps. Certainly a lovely display. Didn’t seem backlight glow, but again hard to know in a brightly lit showroom.
Which one to get for after effects
Just ordered 16" 64GB 2021 M1 Max on BHphotovideo, thanks for the info. What light is on your C-Stand?
Have you used an M1 in the past ? From my experience, I rarely every went beyond 14GB of ram usage editing 6k red raw or when rendering. I highly doubt that anything past 32gb will be useful for photo or video editing unless you’re doing much 3D rendering or heavy vfx.
I use the M1 Mac Mini 16GB everyday! Photo editing when doing multiple multilayer composites having both lightroom and photoshop open can be very memory intensive. Just with photo editing I hit 16GB of swap memory just about every session. As for video editing I use a lot of 6K ProRes RAW in Final Cut Pro and then export as ProRes 4444 XQ to Davinci Resolve. Since both the CPU and GPU share the memory I can easily push the memory pressure high. Especially when applying grouped clips with both pre clip and post clips nodes with noise reduction and film grain, not to mention any masking or secondary color corrections. But everyone has a different workflow and I happen to use a lot of resources. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment 😀
@@GlenReed there is no such thing as too much ram but the price is steep. Just saw a test with 4x 8k prores raw streams and only 26.35GB of ram was used. I'm happy with 32GB.
That’s awesome! ProRes RAW is VERY efficient! But most don’t realize that 90% of the time needs noise reduction since the camera will do no internal processing. Most machines can simply play it back without issue. Get what you need and definitely don’t spend more than you should. 🙂
Great Video! Over the years as software has developed it has also become more reliant on system resources not least the CPU and RAM. Apple knows this thats why they implemented the memory swap algorithm.
It is definitely wiser to try upgrade the RAM to at least 32GB as this will improve the viability and longevity of the purchaser.
Obviously there is no point pursuing the M1Pro or Maxx for basic browsing emailing etc that Air or M1 MacBook Pro are more than sufficient.
Although just because Apple offer the M1Pro and Maxx machines with 16GB as standard it makes more sense to consider upgrading to 32GB Of RAM to be able to truly exploit the M1 Pro at least and/or the Maxx as a complete computing system.
In addition upgrading to at least a 2TB SSD also makes pefect sense as the OS and Applications are steadily growing in size. In the near future a 512GB SSD will feel like 256GB SSD if not already. The point of a laptop is to be able to have it totally self contained, minimising peripherals etc.
Its been a year or so now and it is evident that many are selling their machines because they are not adequately spec'd and or we're purchased inappropriately.
There is no one size fits all with the MBP range and it really doe's come down to buying the machine that will serve you sufficiently at the time of purchase and at least 2-3years down the track let alone save you a decent amount of money and frustration.
I'm trying to get the 16inch M1 Max, 24 GPU core and 32gb or RAM I'm software developer focusing on JS stack, Docker, Nodejs and React, is anyone here with the same needed?
Honestly best video I’ve seen so far with decent comparison points thank you so much for doing this big help wish It could be a bit longer with deeper exclamations
Thanks you for the very encouraging comment! Definitely things I will take into consideration on the next one.
Here we go with the supposed Apple "tax" again. Dell XPS 17 UHD+ laptop with i9 32GB RTX 3060 = $3249, Apple MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB = $3499 and the Mac has better screen, faster SSD, better battery life, more stock memory, video codecs accelerators, etc., so $250 more seems more than fair to me.
Yes I would agree! This MacBook is definitely more bang for your buck and very competitive. Thanks for watching!
Don't even look at how much a Lenovo costs nowadays. Makes Apple look like a bargain!
The screen is nice, but storage 2x at least
I went for the 14 inch maxxed out, hyped to have a beast of a pc that i can still use on an airplane and other portable scenarios my current touchbar 15 is too big. Both models are gonna dominate the laptop game
I did think about the portability of the 14" as well, especially since it's bigger than the 13". But mine sits plugged in most of the time where portability is not such an issue. They are definitely going to dominate!! Congrats on your purchase. Thanks for watching and commenting 😀
I did the same. There is no difference in performance between the 14 and 16. I need something more portable. The 16 only has bigger speakers, screen and battery. But I dont need all that cause the 14 already has 17 of battery which is more than enough for me.
@@armando.visuals there is a difference in performance i'm afraid, the 16 inch will have better thermal performance and has a higher power limit 145 watts i believe, therefore more power will be fed to the chip inside + the boost mode only on the 16 inch max
@@Nookie94 Not according to apple. Only the display, battery and battery thats it. thats why they have the same specs
@@Nookie94 If you contact apple they might give you the right answer. the 145 is to compensate for display, battery and sound or so... 14 and 16 can com with same GB and SSD etc
Anybody bought the 24core 64gb ram configuration for the 16" m1 max macbook pro? I know a lot will say if it's already several thousand, why save that couple hundred on a lower tier core. But I am left wondering if that can be the sweet spot and if that works
Get what you need, 99% of users will be on the most powerful computer they ever used with a 16gb M1 pro. The SSD swap usage is real though, getting more ram will give you more longevity
Agreed! Thanks for watching 🙂
I do a large amount of multi-tasking - photos, browser w/20 tabs, mail, soon getting FinalCut to edit multiple 4k streams, with clips viewable in QuickTime and pics in Preview, all simultaneously. Would like that same performance 2, 3, 4-6 years from now. This will be my only device. Ordered the Max 16" 64ram.
@@PreviousAccount528 correct it will always use some swap memory, but the thing is how much will it use. If memory pressure is high it has to use more to keep the system running smoothly.
I'd still like to see the practical difference between 32/64. I'm not sure this video actual explains it - just a bit of speculation. If anyone has both the 32 & 64, make a video showing an example of the 32 crapping out. I'd guess 64gb helps a little for buffering 8k video, but doesn't really overcome any concerning real-world bottleneck of the 32gb version.
I couldn't agree more. A lot of speculation going on in these videos.
There’s 1-3 seconds difference in all tests between 16,32,64. Seconds in massive encoding tests even. Only difference is the SSD swap
Good point. This video is basically his opinion. A suite of actual tests would be more helpful
Check out Luke Miani, The Tech Chap, and Verge reviews. They have great comparison test reviews on the topic. Reason ended up buying the 32 version. 64 has no real world usage advantage.
Hi Glen. This video has opened my eyes. You are very right. My idea is to buy the same 64 unit with the same processor how do you explain in your video. I want to connect it to the 27” Apple Display for a desktop version and eventually be able to take it anywhere. My previous MacBook Pro is 2017 15” and it did not perform well at work. Regarding the battery life, can I ask you how it performs? My other question is if you have finally bought it and are you satisfied? Thank you very much for your excellent channel and this very didactic review.
That’s awesome! This MacBook works really well!! I use it as a desktop machine with two monitors connected to it along with the built in screen and it handles the load no problem. The battery life is the best out of any laptop I’ve used. I can work on very intensive tasks even play a few games and it lasts a long time. If you’ve been using a 2017 model this will be like switching from a Toyota Corolla to a Ferrari. Thanks for watching!
i usually work with prores proxy media in FCPX and my final output is 2 or 3 hours film. i wonder 32gb ram is enough to me or not.
If you are normally working with proxies 32GB with the M1 MAX 32 GPU cores should allow you to work with the original files without issue. 64GB is sort of a buffer and future proofing for more intensive tasks/effects. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching.
Had the 14”32core, 64 ram. Returned it because well that display on the 16” is very impressive.
I instead got the 16” max with 32 gb ram and 1 tb. I think for someone whose main work load is 4k and occasional 6k braw I went with plenty.
32GB M1 Max is still a BEAST of a machine that can fit most peoples needs. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment 🙂
So you had a 3,400£ laptop, returned it, and halved the RAM but doubled the storage capacity for a 200£ saving? Why would you do that? 200£ is pocket change when buying a multi thousand $ laptop
I'm one of the few poor people that will waste my money on something I don't actually need. with that being said I can't wait for my new MacBook pro to arrive
Hey we all need something that makes us happy! If you enjoy it and you can afford it, go for it! Thanks for watching!
Excellent video …. Can’t thanks enough …. Small question , should we go for 2tb vs 4tb … will this make any difference.
Thanks! I actually went with 1TB mainly because I’m heavily invested in fast external NVMe drives for my editing. But I can say to get the full advertised speed and greater ssd life you need to go with at least 2TB. I think 2TB is a good spot unless you are editing high resolution RAW footage like me. Thanks for the great comment 🙂
@@GlenReed immensely thankful . I am an Intensivist , have channel on intensive care … after browsing so many videos , u nailed it and it was a great help
@@TheICUChannel Thanks 😊 Glad to help!
Pretty set on 16 inch 32 gb ram. Do you think $200 worth upgrading m1 pro to max? I don't think I need the computation but more for future proofing?
Really the main benefit of the max is the GPU cores and the memory bandwidth. For me $200 is a lot of money but worth the future proofing since tasks tend to require more over time. Thanks for watching!
Not gonna lie, I think you'll be surprised when benchmarks come out for the different ram configurations. 16GB is enough for 4k video editing, and 32GB will be more than enough for full-time 8k video editing. 64GB is aimed at 3d modellers working in gaming, not video editors, the exception to this being people that work in VR 360 video.
That’s something I’m looking forward to see !
Even 64gb is overkill for us 3D people
this guy probably gets paid by apple to promote bullshit claims, 64gb for video editors LMFAO.
🤣 I wish I was getting paid by Apple! But hey 64GB is not for everyone, but if you need it you know it.
Side note Tron Legacy is one of my favorite movies! I put a clip of it in my ProRes RAW video and my other MacBook video. Thanks for watching!
@@Drothen- Lol you Troll ;)
Thank you Glen..Moreover, We don’t need to justify ourselves for what we get. Even if we don’t use these devices to its full potential who cares ? If it makes one happy to spec out, go ahead. Life is short. Why not do what makes happy and feel better. After all its your money..And I’m sick of videos lecturing why most people don’t need M1 Max. I don’t care no more…
Thanks! My hope is that by sharing what I got it helps some make their purchases as well. Thanks for watching!
Why are you sick of people giving practical advice? Some people need to hear it. If it does not apply to you... that's fine. Everyone is in a different place.
@@martelljhixson you’re right..I shouldn’t have gotten sick of..many people have different needs. I think I may have watched so many MacBook Pro videos lately..😀
@@martelljhixson fair point man, agree with you, even though I’m myself someone who maxes out every MacBook Pro that ever comes out every freaking year
True. Its just a laptop. I have had 5 macs through the last 15 years. The emhasis is not really whst u need is it - this discussion is like big brother telling everyone that u dont deserve a consumer product. For my usecase i can use pen and paper or my 5 year old gaming rig. It seems great, my 2015 15 was expensive too - now i can hardly turn it on without fans screaming. That said the diminishing returns is clearer and clearer. Btw doing recommendations without testing is just naive - sofar the 14 base is just as fast a 16 maxed out one in many workloads. I bet u that this time a maxed out one is the worst buy u can do. Maybe save money or buy 2 macbooks laptops instead… or a imac and a macbook pro. The 1tb upgrade is the only upgrade i will make, but then again im not a youtube editor - so i shouldnt get one anyway. I dont need/deserve one.
How about the 24 core and 32 core GPU, what is the different?
Thank you for the great video. I recently purchased an M1 Max with 64 gig of RAM.I probably overpurchased but I plan on keeping my computer for 10 years and I wanted to future proof it from a ram perspective. My question is can you wear out the ram like you mentioned wearing out the SSD drive using swap memory
You’re very welcome! From my understanding RAM works differently than general storage and is meant more for the heavy task of the constant read and write loads. Therefore it should last the long haul, but honestly with this kind of investment Apple Care is always a good idea. Thanks for watching!
RAM won't wear out because it is volatile - the data in it is lost when power is cut. SSD wears because the data must be written in a non-volatile fashion, so that it is still there after the computer is shut down. This is also why it is much slower than RAM. Swap memory is a compromise, better avoided if possible. But you're unlikely to put enough wear on your SSD to matter in any case.
Finally. Somebody really talks about RAM in new macbooks without: "oh it's just different, so you don't need as much RAM".
Thanks for watching!
He’s doing the exact opposite
Yet most reviews on high power output suggest the standard M1Pro with 16GB is fine for 99% of users who edit 4K and 6k
If you are doing basic cuts and simple grading I’m sure that would be fine. I edit often on a M1 Mac Mini with 16GB and regularly use 16GB of additional swap memory. But it is able to chug through lighter stuff. Definitely only buy what you need.Thanks for watching!
cant understand what is hdmi port for, as usb c to hdmi cables are widely available today
I guess it's mainly a concession from Apple since so many still want it. Plus it does help free up thunderbolt ports for other things. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
thank you for those insights! Maybe you can help me decide. Currently have an older 13" MBP. I regularly use ~10-15 gb of swap, on top of having 16 ram. I do heavy psd files, and some light video editing, frankly because it's kind of a pain when there's a delay on every action in finalcut and rendering makes the cpu cook itself for hours on end. I would like to be able to edit 4k in future. Nothing crazy fancy, but I want the damn thing to not stutter, I'm kinda sick of it!
Now I'm hearing "ah the base model is finneeee!" a lot and "you don't need 64, 32 is just fine because it's so efficient" but I'm unsure because.. I basically already use that amount if I count swap. I also like to keep my laptops very long, mine is from 2014 - still got that glowing apple logo! BUT I'm also not made of money, and I'd like to save where I can reasonably do so. Advice anyone?
Hey! I feel you and also regularly fill up my swap memory.
Honestly if you don’t plan on doing any crazy video editing or going past 4K within the next couple of years you would probably be ok with 32GB. But if you plan on advancing and doing more as time goes on as well as keeping this machine for more than 4yrs it might be worth going for 64GB.
Probably not the answer you were looking for, but I hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed I agree - also not sure why so many dislikes on the video. I think for the casual web surfer, 16GB is fine. If you're more of a power user (why else would you be buying a MBP?) then at least the 32GB is a must. I personally would opt for the 64GB just for future proofing. I can see these machines lasting many years into the future and I personally use about 35-38GB of RAM on my iMac in regular workflows. I'm a software dev, so 30+ chrome tabs, slack, spotify, docker containers, etc adds up quickly.
@@bren.r thanks! Not sure why so many dislikes either, was just trying to give people some info that could help them avoid a costly mistake. But hey can’t make everyone happy I guess. Thanks for watching!
I always thought that the storage upgrade on Mac’s was a rip off, BUT this one totally makes sense and I actually think it’s a bit of a bargain because the speeds of these SSDs, you really can’t get them anywhere else on the market at the moment. Up to 7.4GB/s read speeds is insane
They are definitely REALLY fast! Thanks for watching!
Agree. I'm looking at 8TB. It's an extra $2,200 from Apple, but that's only $700 more than one from OWC, and the Apple drive is built-in and 6x faster according to what I've seen. And since I'd want at least 2TB of space for whatever, I'd need to upgrade the SSD internally to 2TB anyway ($400 more), which makes the difference in total cost between the blazing fast Apple 8TB v. 2TB + 8TB external only $300.
Cheers, I had the same thoughts too for video editing. Unified memory reminds me of the old Intel HD series where the CPU and iGPU shared the exact same memory, the system would lock up if all RAM is consumed.
I am now just undecided whether 24 or 32GPU cores is sufficient for video editing.
I intend to keep my MacBook pro for 5-10 years, what do you think?
If you plan to keep the machine for a long time I would personally go with as much as you can justify spending. I personally went with max everything except the ssd which I went with 1TB since because I usually edit off fast Nvme drives anyways. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed cheers, I guess I will do the same too. Agreed on the 1TB SSD, getting external drives with Thunderbolt support is more value for money.
@@jierenzheng7670 when I’m at my desk I use one of these amzn.to/3Ced0c6 with a 2TB Nvme as my edit drive and it works really well. Plus it looks cool too!
@@GlenReed does this work well with Davinci? That Amazon link says "for PC", I thought you were on mac
@@GlenReed What’s nvme? Also, do you work/edit off external ssd drives or just use for storage?
Anybody knows what happen if I keep my MacBook pluged to the power? It will stop using the battery power, or it is bad for the battery?
Supposing that it is fully charged tho
Any updated opinion now about 64 vs 32 GB RAM? No swap with 64 GB one year later?
The easiest way I could put it is now I have also got the Max Studio M2 Ultra I wish I would have went with more than 64GB 😔. The order times were longer for the higher ram versions and I have a big film project I’m working on. I mainly use Davison Resolve and it like many other applications won’t use the full system memory to allow the system to still have a decent amount of ram. When using composites and 3D renderings Davinci Resolve will only use 39GB which is the bottleneck for me now. When working with the editing side it will only use 48GB. Programs are growing rapidly so get as much system as you can afford if this will be your work machine. Hope this helps!
I’m not totally sure about Big Sur and The new macOS, but I know the previous versions would not use any hard drive ram caching when system memory was 32 GB or more. But of course this was all with Intel machines…. These new ones will most likely operate very differently and I highly doubt 7.4 GB per second is going to be a bottleneck for black magic da Vinci or any other software. At least not a noticeable one. But I will look forward to your tests. I went with the 32 GB one terabyte SSD so that I didn’t have to wait for the five weeks to get my laptop. Mine should arrive on Tuesday.
Swap memory is used regardless of how much ram you have, its mainly how much the system has to use to keep memory pressure down that's the problem. 7+GB/s is definitely fast but is still handled differently and will be sharing that speed with other processes. Imagine in Davinci Resolve you are pulling multiple streams of 6, 8, or 12k footage from the ssd while running the application and performing swap memory tasks. Either way just about any of these machines you choose are going to be blazing fast and I'm excited for both you and me 😀. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Ordered an M1 Max 16” Macbook Pro with 64GB RAM & 2 TB storage. My IDEs easily take up over half of that RAM at times. And guys, remember you’re not buying this machine to serve you just for an year or two , they’ll easily last for 4+ years.
Congrats on the new purchase! That’s my train of thought, if I go cheap now I’ll just be rebuying next year. But if I buy decent now it will last me for some time. Thanks for watching!
Really? What IDEs are you using? Jet brains?
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 Yep and many others, as well, although I may not use close to 64 GB anytime soon, it’ll be well useful for the next 5+ years
Hi Glen. Great video. I nearly decided for a 16” 64GB and just was reading about the Max Studio.
Have you had the chance to test the Studio ? Let me know your opinion. Thx!
Personally I’d go with the Mac Studio Ultra if you don’t need the portability. My MacBook sits on my desk 98% off the time. I would have purchased the Mac Studio myself but it wasn’t released yet and I couldn’t wait any longer. I’m still happy with my MacBook but having twice the power would be awesome! Thanks for watching!
I looking for the best 5K ultra wide monitors to replace my 5K iMac - any suggestions?
Go for the LG 5K2K! It’s a great one!
I'm actually searching for the right color accurate monitor myself. My current 4K HDR LG monitor is hard to calibrate and just doesn't give me consistent results. Did you have any luck finding a decent monitor? BTW I'll be releasing a video about a very cool dock I use for editing soon.
Good thought. But, regarding ram, I don’t understand your logic, the more you have the more the system uses, this is just how OS works, the same is true on windows too. You will always see a high percentage of ram use if the programs are using your ram properly. As an example, I upgraded my ram from 32 to 64 on my XPS and the percent use by various programs stayed similar, I also did not gain any noticeable performance increase.
I’m not saying some people won’t benefit from 64, im just saying that using the idea of “most of my ram is being used therefore I need more” is not the best when it comes to memory purchasing decisions (obviously this logic is safe when it comes to your SSD storage, but not ram as ram is used on the basis of how much you have, a proper OS like OS X uses as much available ram as there is to optimize your experience with various apps it doesn't mean you don't have enough - ie you could be at 128 and the system may scale up your ram way past 64gb).
I have observed this too over the past few years... The system just hogs up whatever amount you have :(
totally agree with you. It all depends on OS process sheduling. simply when you have more memory, smart OS reduce sharing and use the ram itself, so more ram usage will be shown. With less memory, the OS uses the ssd as a secondary ram and suspends processes that are waiting for IO. If your ram and ssd have the same built tech, you don't notice a difference but if the ssd has slower/cheaper tech you probably notice the difference.
The question is. M1 pro 16 GPU cores 32 Gb ram or M1 Max 24 GPU cores 32 Gb ram. Which is the best balance?
I would much rather go with the M1 Max 24 core GPU with 32GB. It will give you higher memory bandwidth with much better cooling. Hope this helps 😀
@@GlenReed thank you Glen. I appreciate you recommendation. I agree with you and I will be waiting for this comparison before spend my hard earned money 😆
The 24 has 8 dying cores, no thanks
@@robinandthedog I’ve heard of that.. why is it that people are referencing them as “dying cores” I’m not tech savvy btw 😅
@@furian89 When the SOC is tested one or two GPU cores may be underperforming. Rather than throwing the whole SOC away the defective cores are disabled, the remaining GPU cores are perfectly functional. No cores are "dying".
For music production using softwares such as ableton and Logic Pro with plug ins being used. what model is best?
any of them
I’m currently using the 14 inch m1 pro with a 16gb it till this day it hasn’t froze or given me any problems while using it.
That’s awesome! These new MacBooks are fantastic computers for sure. Thanks for watching!
As a mixing and mastering engineer, these laptops in general are truly insane. Coming from a crappy HP 32gb ram i9 12th gen, just the fact that I'm no longer dealing with loud fans makes my work bearable. These investments can easily last you 7+ years if you take care of them.
Definitely! It’s crazy how much of a jump in performance and efficiency these laptops brought to the table. Just ordered the M2 Ultra Studio and can’t wait to finally be able to playback a video timeline with noise reduction in real time without using cache or proxies 🤯
The truth is that M1 max with 32Gb ram is the second most powerful configuration in the trim. M1 max doubled the bandwidth compared with M1 pro, which is already faster. M1 MAX with 32Gb and 1tssd is the sweet point for MOST OF PROSUMERS! Sure we know 64 is better, but how much? Don't mislead the customer before you have comparison data between 32 and 64. Not a lot of people are dealing with 6k, 8k video footage. If only the 64gb version can provide what you called "right" performance, why do the market segmentation???
Hey thanks for taking the time to comment! I totally don't want to mislead people and is why I made it a point to tell people I am coming from the filmmaking perspective using extremely intensive processes. This video is only to explain the reason why I chose this configuration as it may be a few reasons some didn't think about. Many people have different needs which is why I still recommend the M1 Macbook Air to people all the time. Thanks for watching, have a blessed day 😀
That's literally the build I went for, except I went for the lower end M1 max chip.
@@GlenReed No sweet buddy 👍
@@destinycarvalho I think that will be good enough man
Hey there Glennon thank you for the video! Do you have any idea about how after effects will utilize the new max?
Unfortunately I don’t have much experience in after effects but if it’s anything like fusion in Davinci Resolve it will chew through memory. Sorry I don’t have a better answer. Thanks for watching 🙂
My wife just bought a 16" base model and I tried to do some GoPro overlay editing (1 hour 53 minutes of 4k60) and the RAM pressure went to red multiple times and I was forced to reboot each time after it lagged to a complete stop. I'm not able to complete this project on that computer. Hopefully the higher spec models can handle it.
16GB is very much baseline for most users imo - forget about 8GB lol. I think 32GB is a nice future proof option. If you are a power user like myself, the 64GB model makes more sense.
Have to say this is the first M1 Pro/Max video that the guy actually understands how chips work especially swapping and the overhead it creates. If I decided to order a MBP I will probably get the M1 Pro with 64GB RAM because I do music not video so don't need all those extra GPUs. I do need the RAM for sound libraries and plug-ins. Music is all timing depended so being able to keep things in memory helps to cut down on latency. Cool video.
Thanks for the great comment! I have a friend who is a professional musician and he’s definitely agree with you.
Actually he doesn’t. He added vram and system ram and said 72GB. That’s incorrect. You can’t add the two.
I decided to go with the 64 gb and extra ssd as well i decided the wait is actually good since maybe more software will be native by then aha
There is no M1 Pro with 64GB chip. Only with M1 Max. M1 Pro eliminates upt o 32GB
Again Apple ignores the music community.
They have the M1 Max die design for 64GB they could easily make a Pro with 64GB. Don't need all that video processing power for music.
Look at some real life stress tests between various memory configurations. The SSD interface is so fast that using swap disk even under extreme payload introduces about 5% penalty over higher RAM model.
The ssd is fast but the problem is you will add more wear on the ssd which in turn will slow it down over time. Apple doesn’t give the TBW specs for their SSD’s so it’s hard to say the life expectancy. For people like me if you are pulling multiple steams of high resolution video, fx, overlays and running the programs/os that ssd will be shared across all those tasks. But get what you need just as I got what works for me. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed SSD would live long enough before you decide to upgrade M1 based laptop for something much newer. I have yet to see any reports about old SSDs failing in mass before they are outdated. So unless you’re planning to hold to your M1 MacBook Pro for the next 10 years, I would not worry too much about SSD aging.
my 2015 15" with 256gb nvme ssd just experienced a drive failure because I was always swapping to disk. In 4 years I ended up with 186 terabytes written. that's 127gigabytes a day! don't rely on your ssd to act as ram unless you're okay with your new boot drive being external or buying a new laptop.
@@assortedmountainlife 2015 laptop is 7 years old by now and uses 7 years old SSD technology. It’s outdated as fuck. But yeah, let’s all be afraid of using ssd swap disks.
@@user-ym6lc7pk1e It has an nvme ssd that did 2,000 MB/sec when released and I still use it to edit 4k60 and 5k30, but thanks for the feedback.
I went full HAM on buying The mbpro16 m1x 64 as well. As a product designer I did have older model w 500g storage and 16g ram but over the last few years, I've been getting into more 3d modeling and have had to make movies for the app mock-ups i designed to the point i maxed out my machine's capabilities it could no longer handle the fast workflow
Please help! I am not sure if I should get the M1 Max 64gb. I usually have 3 and sometime even 4 Word files open, plus Gmail running in the background. Do you think the M1 Max 64gb will handle my workload or should I get a Fugaku supercomputer? Thanks in advance for your help!
🤣 That’s funny right there!! But seriously 😐 word and Gmail can be taxing, might be best to go with the supercomputer!! That or a chromebook.
Thanks for the laugh 🙂
After impulsively buying a maxxed out MBP I get triggered every time UA-cam suggests one of these videos... please don't say I was wrong, please don't say I was wrong...
I’ve watched several videos twice 😂. Super excited for my new MacBook! Congrats on your purchase too!
You were wrong. So wrong, because you should have bought two of them, one for your best friend haha 😁 Congrats!
🤣🤣
5:00 claiming that he was able to leverage the 64GB in previous MacBook, that I highly doubt. Later he speaks about the known swapping issue. The title is just a clickbait.
Sorry you feel that way, really not trying to clickbait. If you use fusion in Davinci resolve it can easily take 64GB and much more. But I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙂
@@GlenReed it's like after effects. if you give him 128gb it will eat it also
I have a 2018 Mac Mini with 64 GB of RAM which I use as a dedicated 'music' computer. The programs I run aren't CPU intensive but they are definitely memory intensive as I routinely use mid-50GB of RAM so anything less than 64 GB wouldn't cut it. Not that this video is about music, but to say categorically that you cannot use 64 GB of RAM in a Mac is simply untrue.
@@johncho8766 Hi John. I will be doing more music than high-end video, so I what you had to say piqued my interest. What programs are you using that demand that much memory? What sort of demands are you placing on those programs that require 50+GB of RAM? Thanks in advance...
@@derekbaker3279 I guess you're probably going to do post production? I do mainly live playing and use GrandOrgue and Hauptwerk, both of which load sample sets into memory. The entire sample set. That's why I suspect that even low powered CPUs can run the program very well (my Mac Mini is a 4-core i3!) because all it's doing is playing samples, which isn't CPU intensive but is RAM intensive. My biggest sample set requires 54 GB of RAM so add a few more GBs for the actual program and OS. As for actual work, I'm an architect by trade so I still mainly use a PC for that as most software for architecture and engineering are Windows/"Unix" based. Hopefully that will change - I'm thinking of just getting an M1 MAX Mac, probably the Mini if it has the same specs/performance! The biggest RAM hog is when I render out a high resolution 3D visualization with global illumination. I don't normally go beyond 32 GB for that type of work, but since unified memory, as mentioned in this video, is shared with the GPU and CPU and since you can't just pop in extra RAM as needed, if I was exclusively a Mac user, I'd go for 64 GB. If you're using your computer for work, then honestly a few $$$ for more memory is just the cost of doing business. If you're not using your computer for work, then an M1 MAX shouldn't even be on the radar.
I have a 2015 15" with 16gb and 256gb ssd. I edit in FCP and Lightroom and was always running out of available memory. Just last month my internal ssd failed with 186 terabytes written to it in the 4 years I owned it. That's 127GB of writes per day, every day, for 4 years. I now use an external usb3 ssd as my boot drive. Looking forward to finally having 64gb.
I believe just like the 2015 models this new one is going to be a MacBook to keep for years. And just like in it case if you want the SSD to last it’s worth getting 64GB. Congrats on the purchase! Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed The M2(?) based Mac Pros will blow you away from the rumors I have heard. They're as "no-one will ever find a need for that much x, y and z" in the era of M1 machines as they were when the 1.5TB Mac Pros were released Way Back When.
Whatever you've heard about the high end M* Mac Pros is probably conservative, from what *I* am hearing.
Remember with the Mac pro accelerator card only encodes prores, doesn’t decode. The processors in the max encode and decode.
Great point! Thanks for taking the time to comment, this will definitely help people for sure.
Exactly, subscribed ✅: also Apples’s SSDs have a MTBF. The less swap, the less SSD failures. Also Photoshop or Affinity Photo uses big chunks of memory. AP I use for post prod of 360° panos at 250 to 300 megapixel resolution, on my Intel MBP 16” the 64 GB are completely used. Hint: AP flies at least 10x faster as Ps when working on stuff like that, Adobe unfortunately can not truly deal with Apple hardware and that - afaik - didn’t get better for ARM/Apple Silicon; I assume Adobe has some kind of interpreter layer in the software, still accessing some 16 bit object code, once compiled in the 1990’s and the source code got somehow lost. Being a marketing company, they squeeze still money out of that, since hated subscription model more than ever. But that’s of course a wild conspiracy theory…😜. Besides: can’t understand the many dislikes, best and perfect information here.
It is really crazy how many thumbs down this video is getting. Like you I can easily use a lot of memory, my point was just to make sure people realized that the memory is now shared between the cpu and gpu. But oh well you can’t make everyone happy. Thanks for the sub and the comment 🙂
There is no downside to getting the maximum amount of RAM. These systems are going to beg us to keep adding stuff (layers or tracks or effects) to projects because it can handle anything and one day we may find that 32 gb isn't enough and then what?
Exactly! If it’s a device you want to keep more than a year or two, buy nice or buy twice.
No downside? It's at least $1000 more to get 64 GB RAM from 16 GB. I can literally get an iPhone 13 Pro for that upgrade.
By the time you come to need 64gbs, the new MacBook Pro with M3 Pro Max chip will be out.
@@matatoto9805 I don't know if that's true. I'm a snobby creator so I never consider my system's resources and won't notice a problem until it stops cooperating. So if it allows me, I'm going to keep going without ever considering its limits. I'm not going to do anything that I think is an inconvenience to me. That means I will never close programs. I will never delete tracks I don't need. I will never disable effects or plug ins that I'm no longer using. Out of sight, out of mind. Why would I close a video game when it takes forever to open? I'll render multiple files while simultaneously transcoding others. I can't be bothered to close tabs in Chrome. I will behave as if I have unlimited resources and will always expect instant responses to my requests. Under those conditions I think the limit can be reached before M3 Pro Max comes out.
Should I go with 64gb 2Tb or 128gb 4Tb for future proofing. Im just looking to edit 8K down the road.
64gb vs 128gb would depend on how much you use motion graphics or OFX in your videos. Personally I also have the M2 Ultra Studio and wish I got 128gb. For basic 8k video though 64gb is fine. As for 2tb vs 4tb, if you are editing 8k you would likely want to edit from fast external drives. 8k footage is very large and can easily fill 2-4tb. Plus personally I think it’s better to have only the os and apps on the main drive to keep things snappy. I edit 6k, 8k and 12k raw files from a fast 32tb external nvme raid and it works very well. For example I just finished editing a 2hr feature film which was 11tb of footage, no way I would have been able to do that on even the largest internal drive. Hope this helps!
I've got the M1 Pro 16inch and I'm getting a weird poor quality issue with Premiere Pro when exporting an MP4 with H264 codec with hardware encoding (basically UA-cam 1080p export preset). The final exported file is less that half the size of what Premiere estimates it to be and it's really blurred and pixelated - if I export the same project using software encoding it's the estimated size and has no quality issues. I've tried it with H265 too. Been onto Apple Support and Adobe Support and neither of them can figure out the 'issue'. Adobe have basically just told me to use software encoding. Do you use Premiere Pro and have you experienced this with your video exports?
I seen another guy’s review and he has the same issue using Premier. Really weird. I use Final Cut to export ProRes Raw over to Davinci Resolve studio. Both are optimized for the new chips and seem to be getting really good results. I’m not familiar with premier but I would look to see if there is an option to increase the bit rate as that could be the issue. Wish I had a better answer for you 😔
@@GlenReed Yeah, I’ve tried increasing the bitrate and it’s still the same. It’s even worse if you export in 4K. For example Premiere estimates the file will be 320mb but it’s actually 72mb when exported with hardware encoding and has loads of compression artefacts if you go with software encoding it’s fine. It’s a real weird/frustrating issue and I’ve not seen any reviewers talking about it 😫 I think there’s a definite issue though, hopefully Apple/Adobe fix this.
ua-cam.com/video/X8LA1aMr8vA/v-deo.html I think it was this video he was saying the same thing about the file sizes, but I don’t think he played back the exports to notice the quality drop. I’m sure it’s something that will get addressed. Hopefully they do it quickly for you though.
I went with the 16" Max 64 gb 8tb due to using the same laptop for the past decade. To me I paid top dollar for a fully functioning chip instead of paying thousands for chips essentially that are considered defective & garbage but sold by Apple in order to continue making profits
I have learned over the years to buy the best you can so it’s still competitive and supported in a few years time. Thanks for watching!
I do my heavy lifting at home, in desktop studio. Really, I want a specced out M1 Max DESKTOP which will offer more bang for the buck than ANY laptop. Why spend top money on a laptop at all, whose only advantage is portability? And even so, with the possibility of a Mini Pro, maybe not even then... I say, wait.
I’m definitely waiting to see what they do with the iMac and the Mac mini, just can’t wait till they release it. Definitely more bang for the buck! Thanks for watching 🙂
If it came down to these 2 options based on the work u mentioned that u do which one would you lean more towards to
(Both 14in)
A. M1 MAX 24 GPU / 64GB RAM
OR
B. M1 MAX 32GPU /32GB RAM
For me I’m video production I would go with option B, but it really depends on your workload. Video is very GPU intensive and I could also rely on swap memory. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
In 14 inch you will have thermal throttle issues in longer sustained workloads, so M1 Max 24 core GPU is likely the better option honestly. 32 core GPU should be reserved for 16" ideally.
5:34 Hi, I appreciate the information you have provided. Regarding the timestamp, does the 'potential bottleneck', come from not having enough Ram to meet the demands of the GPU cores?
I think that is what you are saying but I am not sure.
All the best
Hey! That is correct, the memory is shared between the CPU and GPU. If you are performing graphic heavy tasks the system can quickly run out of memory slowing things down or putting unnecessary wear on the ssd by using swap memory. Hope this helps clarify things. Thanks for watching!
@@GlenReed it does indeed, thank you for clarification.