I regret buying M1 Max instead of M1 Pro... Here's why
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- 2 months after the release of the new M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBook Pros and I'm starting to have second thoughts about my decision to spend nearly 4 thousand dollars on a top of the line M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch. In today's video I'll examine why I don't think I made a smart buying decision by comparing the M1 Max to comparable windows laptops and other Macs with superior value!
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So many comments from people who just didn’t watch the video… nowhere in here did I say that apple silicon or the new MacBooks are bad, the entire premise of this is my regrets buying upgrades that were not necessary for me, and I suspect others as well. The takeaway that I intended is that the M1 Pro base model has a better value proposition than spending over $1200 on upgrades. Watch the video before angrily commenting
This is so called deep fanboyism, resulting from the fact of spending extraordinary money on ordinary equipment of people lurking the internet for any info assuring themselves that they bought the best computer ever.
Bro please buy me a MACBOOK air
I guess this is coming from the fact that most of the users does not see some of the point you pointed out as “flaws”, or some of those are irrelevant for them. I do not agree for example on your analysis around the CPU landscape and the place Apple has and will have in the future. I comment on the video and you can see why. I do agree on the fact that very few people will need a M1 max CPU, I got the M1 Pro with 10 CPU cores, I do not see the need for more GPU regarding the usage I will do with this laptop. So yeah, most of the people know exactly why they are buying those chips and it is exactly what they are looking for :)
Another great video Luke, your analysis is right on point, I have a MacBook Air M1 that I bought more than a year ago at BestBuy as an open box, I think i paid $750 for it, I think Apple have this kind of "Tourist Traps" which I always try to scape, but some people can't and those are the people that usually try to justify their "overpriced" purchases.
I agree that few people need that much horsepower from the M1 Max.
My only critiques of videos like this (and I love your channel) is:
1) The focus always on power, power, power. I am a professional video editor and don’t need the power of the M1 Max. But I bought a 14” M1 Max. Why? I need 3 external displays. I also appreciate the modularity of this device so I don’t need a desktop AND a laptop (which you miss in your analysis of the price comparison of this and the rumored Mac Mini Pro).
2) Clickbait titles, which this borders on.
Otherwise super love your channel. Keep up the good work.
Luke doesn’t regret anything. It’s just clickbait.
Thanks for that saved me from watching
Thank you
Thank you for saving me from another Apple Bot fan boy….. why I just can’t switch from windows and android 😢
Thank you.
Thank you
For gods sake, get to the point man!! I hate that these UA-camrs make a 15 min video of a topic that could be discussed in 3 minutes.... just to place a ton of ads in their content :(
The battery life on the M1 Max is unreal. I do visual design work on my couch for 5 hours straight and my thighs aren't on fire and 65% battery life left.
It gets hot mate your legs would be on fire
Finally someone on UA-cam finally acknowledged that not all "Mac Users" are content creators..
Yes
True, all of my Apple desktops since 1997, each can input and edit video. However, I have never been able to get someone to sit down with me and, just show me some simple skills to edit a video.
The way Luke keeps flip-flopping between recommendations and condemnations really reduces any trust I have in his opinion. Just feels like clickbait all the time now rather than genuine reporting and advice.
Agree. Still not that bad than Max Tech YT-Channel, but getting closer. Clickbaiting seems to be the only way for UA-camrs to grow from a certain level onwards. Don‘t like that development. Usually, I cancel the subscription as soon as this behaviour starts.
@@the_7th_knight207 exactly that, if nobody watches, then there is no money to be made. But there are so many great channels that don't only review Apple products and they are the best ones to watch for a genuine unbiased opinion on new machines. I tend to buy them and return them after making up my own opinion on wether the computer will suit my needs, real world use is far better than someone else's opinion. Its a shame we can get a trial of a computer before we get to make the decision to shell out so much money on them
@@anthony8890 True. On the other hand, if you are not a (semi-)professional video editor or somehow earning your money with these devices, even the lowest spec mac (with Apple silicon) offers you more performance than you need. That means, it was never so easy to buy a computer you can use for many years. Compare that with the old Core i3 MB Air. This one was to weak for anything.
@@the_7th_knight207 YES! exactly, single core performance is the snappiness people feel navigating around the OS, multi core is for work based tasks. Ive got a 12 core machine and its not as snappy as my quad core i3 for browsing etc.
I was about to comment the same thing. One day it's the most amazing super uber cool machine ever!!! The next day it's filled with regret and guilt because it's not worth the money. Then mentioning Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA who only match performance levels when plugged in with 100W of power, unplug them and those machines dramatically drop performance. But it's the constant flip flopping, it's ridiculous
The problem with spec-ed up computers is that the diminishing return tend to be steeper. For example, a 999 USD Macbook Air outclasses previous MBPs from just a couple of years ago and costing 3x as much.
For me, I future proof “just enough” to last a few years but not to the point I put down thousands of dollars for an item that would be made obsolete by something costing less in the future.
You are a smart customer.
Thank you. Gamer's Nexus did a video on a similar topic a few years ago to demonstrate that buying a GPU higher than an NVIDIA xx80Ti level card every 3 years is probably not as good of a use of money as buying an xx70 every 2 years.
Exactly !
Agreed. I picked up my M1 Max second hand and saved over $2300 USD sometime you can find those really nice items someone bought without thinking and now have to sell.
^^^ This ^^^
I tested the M1 13", as well as the 14" Pro and Max. Ok, of course the 14" Max is absolutely great. After 14 days of testing, I stayed with the 13" normal M1. For me the perfect form factor, I also like the touch bar. I'm not a professional video producer, so the M1 easily suffices. It's probably different for you and others. However, price/performance/size was the deciding factor for me. Thanks for the great videos and test. Stay healthy. Greetings from Austria
@@KK-lg8uz you can't answer that easily. that would be like asking if the tires are also suitable for winter use. the question is, where do you drive, how fast do you drive, how much snow is on the road, etc. so yes, you can definitely do video editing, probably much better than with more expensive macbooks, which are a few years old. But the question is, what exactly do you want to do? professional video editing for youtube in 4k etc, or home editing
@@KK-lg8uz in that case i would take an m1pro (16 cores) or m2 pro, because you should take at least 16gb of RAM. you will enjoy it for longer.
Interesting points. Though I don’t regret my purchase even a little, it’s fast with everything I throw at it (ya mostly video editing) and probably the absolute best MacBook I’ve ever owned since I bought my first one in 2003.
I don't think this is anything new for apple though. At the higher end they have never been a very good value. We used to know that going in but with the M1 it changed our thinking a bit and we now look for value in a Mac that has never been there when we're talking performance for money spent
It is sad that you are disappointed by the M1 MacBook Pro 16” Max. You want the fastest, bestest, sleekest, cheapest, and problem-free computer. That is like wanting a perfect wife. You probably won’t find the perfect Mac and you will continue to be disappointed.
My advice? Love your Mac and be satisfied. All computers are delicate balances of technologies, features, and prices. I love my 2020 M1 MacBook Air. So far, I don’t have the slightest desire to buy the 14”, the 16”, the “pro”, or “max”. That is true satisfaction for you.
Do I want a better camera, a bigger screen, backup storage, and more ports? Of course but I can easily add these to the M1 Macbook Air for a few hundred dollars. Do I want more speed? Not really. My 2020 M1 MacBook Air is more than fast enough. I can easily live with it for few more years.
I loaded my M1 MacBook Air with 16 Gb RAM and 2 Tb SSD for a total cost of $2200. I bought a 26” LG monitor for $270 and use my old iPad Pro 12.9” as second and third monitors. I got a $179 OWC dongle to expand my two Thunderbolt 4 ports and to add a high speed 4Tb SSD backup.
When I travel, I carry my M1 MacBook Air, M1 iPad Pro 11” as a second monitor, and iPhone 11 as a WiFi hotspot to connect to Internet. I use a light 100W GaN charger to charge my Mac, iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch, and 20,000 mAh battery at nights. All this fits in a medium size shoulder bag.
@@WISEYOUN I also have a M1 Air. I don't have a Pro because the air is the best value and does everything I need it to do with ease
Not true. ONLY Macs exist at the HIGHEST end of personal computing. There is no PC version of the $10-35k Mac Pro.
@@WISEYOUN Thank you for this super helpful comment. What kind of work do you do, may I ask? If I understand correctly are you in content creation? If so, do you do edit in Prores 422 or internal m.264 / m.265 by chance -- or both? This is where I'm getting stuck on what to buy.
Dropping frames aside (which *is* a concern) for regular / non-theatrical / just for web projects, I'll shoot internally in h.264. But for theatrical, I want to edit the footage I shoot on my Ninja V in Prores 422 4k codec without having to transcode, i.e. ideally cut the footage in the same Prores 422 4k as-shot [thereby maximimise image quality and minimise quality loss in delivery].
I also have no interest in spending more than I need to. But *can* spend if I have to. That said, I also have no problem waiting longer for rendering out a file or film, as I try to get off my a** as often as I can between edits -- with sitting being the new smoking n' all... : )
So.. may I ask, what would you recommend for a filmmaker who makes narrative content, simple edits, who has no problem with external dongles etc if required and speed not being an issue... and just might want to *finally* upgrade from their mid-2012 MacBook Pro haha?
Any other laptop won't perform as well on battery power. Any other laptop will be hotter and fans much louder.
fanless laptops be like
@@Carnage8 fanless x86 laptops are much, much slower, chips are severely throttled.
This is one of the main reasons as to why I have dumped my MBP i9 for a MBP M1 Max, the fans and heat. I even went to the extent of purchasing an eGPU for the MBP i9 so that offloaded the GPU to cutdown the fan noise. The MBP i9 in terms of being a l-a-p-t-o-p was shocking but it did keep me warm in winter :-).
Yes. It's not just an horse power question I think... But for desktops, it will be a other story. We will see if Apple can continue to stand out on this particular market.
Any other laptop will be able to run whatever you feel like running including AAA games 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So happy I opted to buy the base 14" Not too deeply invested and got plenty of power for my needs and all the new bells and whistles.
Yes!
Thermals, Battery life, and Fan noise are still going to be deal breakers for me personally. I have the 16" m1 pro chip and it seems to be the sweet spot because even Apples own m1 Max heats up and kicks the fans in more often, I know everyone has their own perspective, expectations, and needs in these variations but for me personally I'm glad Apple has the throttling where it is to avoid heat and fans even though using something like Blender does get affected with weaker performance. I use the m1 pro 13" for out of the house portability and the m1 pro 16" for home portability.
So the fans on your M1 Pro don't kick on but the ones on your M1 Max do when given the same workload?
I bought one with 64GB ram, and later thought 32gb was adequate. But, actually my M1 Max mac is currently using almost 20GB ram just with browsing internet with 20+ tabs, terminals, and some software dev tools. I bought it for ML/DL which uses GPU with 8-16+ GB GPU memory. Yeah it's expensive and many software tools do not run directly on M1 yet -- Apple needs to work hard to make M1 Max mac works faster as they promised. If it's slower than Intel+nvidia pc, it's not worse to spend the money. maybe I was wrong, but despite the price and the limitations I really like the M1 Max mac so far.
My reasoning for getting the base 14in are thus. I need a fan, 512gb, and 16gb. A M1 MBP with those specs would be $1700. For an extra $300, i get more performance (sometimes 2x in my python code compared to M1), better display, more ports (HDMI), etc. It’s a no brainer
although I do miss the touch bar. :/ scrubbing through youtube videos, autocorrect on words, and various other shortcuts I miss even a month later.
Couldn’t agree more, I’d finally ditched Chrome in favor of Safari back when Big Sur was rereleased, and actually having functionality on the Touch Bar is amazing, literally if only for the emojis I’d say it’s worth it, I’ll be a sad boy when it comes time to upgrade in a few years
I'm torn between 16 inch and 14 inch and I'm a web developer and designer, I have second monitor tho, I tell to myself If the laptop is just going to sit on my desk most of the time, is it better I get 16 instead of 14 ??
@@ikamy Have you actually visited a store and checked them out? The reason I ask is because when I finally checked them out yesterday, I was surprised that the 16" was not as big as I thought it was going to be. The 14" really reminded me of the old iBook (kinda cute). From a work perspective, I think that 16" is going to help you get more done. I say this as a developer myself, and I have also been looking at these. I'm still asking myself should I get a 16" M1 Pro or a Max? Although the Max costs more, if I get 5 years out of it, it's probably better - then again, the CPU of the Pro and Max are the same, and I don't do video editing. First world problems...
@@japanstation1 Thanks very helpful, I'm a designer using most adobe applications and UX applications, but not gonna use video or crazy 3d, so for me 16 inches m1 pro and 32gb ram and 2tb is way to go, I'm a music producer as well but with those crazy plugins with real-time high demanding performance, I'm pretty sure m1 pro is enough for me
These are exactly the same arguments that made me order the M1 pro 14inch. I find this video basically useless with pointless conclusions, he just bought something that's not built for him, that's all
If the M1 MacBook Pro came with 4 thunderbolt ports instead of 2, it'd be the best deal in town. 2 ports is so limiting.
This is what it needs to differentiate from the Air for sure
How about using a thunderbolt docking station?
There was weird rumors that the M1 MBP would get an M2 update as well. 4TB/the better speakers/2 fans is the only thing I could think of that would justify it still existing in the lineup.
@tanis burt is ur 2012 super slow mine is very slow now
Apple and their stupid lack of ports! I can plug everything on my Razer Blade Advanced 2021 and I have an OLED display.
Yep skewed towards DaVinci Resolve editors and it kills my water cooled $6,000 RTX3090
What do you mean? I am genuinely interested
there is a rumor that razer got someone who used to work at an Apple factory and they helped with the aluminum chassis production process
Well thought out video Luke. However, I think we should be careful about comparing chips that haven’t been tested in the real world yet. It’s easy to make a graph that is skewed to favour your own product.
Apple’s big advantage is optimisation - they make the chips, hardware, operating system and a good few of the most popular apps, so being able to optimise everything to work together adds to the overall package. Intel and AMD don’t have that on real-world systems, which leads to more compromises, particularly with battery life.
Will be interesting to see what happens. Competition is good and I agree that the Apple Silicon lifecycle seems too long currently.
Another advantage apple has it always has the latest TSMC nodes.
Apple do NOT make chips. M1 are not their own chips
I agree, apple controls the who ecosystem in which their chips will be performing which is a huge advantage. I do think they will need more engineers to defect from the competition's camp to theirs to be able to keep up in the future though. I think it will be hard to compete with companies solely focused on speed and efficiency in mind who have been in the chip game for decades.
Yes, you can, but the problem is that "ALL" those laptops only work connected to a power wall, the M1max DO NOT need to be connected to the wall to work at its full potential.
@@ThemePro24 Absolutely, if it has to be plugged in, I will use a Desktop computer, even all these NEW chips announced on CES will ONLY work if the Laptop is connected to the wall. They will never be able to overcome this because x86 will ALWAYS need the power to perform. ARM architecture does NOT need much power.
@@pbrigham Plugged in and with a fair amount of fan noise the moment it starts doing anything somewhat intensive.
@@pbrigham Stop being a fanboy, computer are not phones, when you need to work, you need a desk, a good chair and one or two external monitors, no other way if you want to work for 8h so plugging the laptop or not won't matter, and over using your battery will kill it much faster. only idiots will over use their batteries when thet don't need in the first place and the damn thing will cost a small fortune to replace!
@@eddhibyassine I think you can't imagine how often I work "on the go" without wanting to have a powercord with me or a power wall near me.. And with "on the go" I mean just going into another room / to a colleague or something else or even have to switch between rooms very often while doing stuff.
Besides that you point with the battery doesn't make sense. When you charge a battery 24/7 (like you said would be better) you will kill the battery way faster. With the M1 Max you can easily use the battery from 80% to 20% and then recharge it to 80% without loosing computing power.
@@ThemePro24 Also the comparison with the M1 Max Mac mini for under 3k.. While that's cool I don't think he knows what the advantage from a laptop over a Desktop is, because a mac mini is not portable..
When I went to Mac years ago, I still needed to do Windows specific stuff. Part of the appeal was that I could run Windows on the Mac (usually faster than a native Windows machine). When I upgraded to the M1 MBA (which I still love), I lost that capability and ended up having to buy an ASUS M16 for my Windows specific stuff. So now I have both, and both do excellent at what I need them for, and both together are still cheaper than the M1 Max 16", but I have to carry 2 laptops around.
This is why for myself, I still prefer Apple desktops and laptops with Intel processors which are great for running Mac OS, Windows, and Linux (smile...smile).
@@transitengineer I use bootcamp on external Samsung T5 drive on my iMac 2019 4K
Why not just run windows in parallels or Fusion? Both work here on my M1 and still run windows better than most windows machines.
@@slamcrank …because it’s a Windows ARM Version ….Good luck finding the software you need ….
@@slamcrank I need the Intel version of Windows not ARM
You've made great points, Luke, but... there were some serious debts Apple had with the musicians that it sorted out with all these new models: no fan noise! Of course, the 13" M1s are best for live performance due to battery life, but the 14" & 16" offer the ports that are also a must for connecting controllers and projector (without dongles). In these regards -and considering Apple's build quality, as you pointed out-, these laptops are unique in today's market.
I just bought a barely used MacBook Pro 16 512GB for 1550USD, still 9 month left of warranty, it is in pristine condition. Very happy with my purchase.
ryzen 5900h has similar (or better on some things) performance than the m1 pro, also the price is alot cheaper and u can still get over 10 hours of battery with those. + easy diy repairs and upgrades
For a do-everything machine I still really love my 16’ intel Mac. It’s still got a great display/speakers for watching movies/shows in bed with the wife or while traveling etc. it’s got amazing audio for listening to music. It’s got great mics for haphazard audio recording or zoom. It’s got windows for gaming on the go (runs pretty much everything if at lower settings). And still has Mac OS for productivity etc. oh also four thunderbolt ports for interfacing with tons of stuff for on the go audio recording stuff.
I get it that there are downsides like worse battery life than the m1, but honestly for my use cases it’s amazing. Apple silicon is still crap for running even basic games smoothly, and still has compatibility issues with lots of audio recording hardware. Just flagging that while the transition is going on, many of us would rather stick with intel for now.
My MacBook Pro M1 pro 16 runs counter strike on the highest setting with ease. Complete beast man
@@bielakbeats Counter-Strike isn't really a demanding title. I mean, I enjoy playing it, but I wouldn't use it as an "look how great games run on macOS" example.
@@AlejandroLZuvic I didn't use it as a "look how great games run on Mac OS" example......
he mentioned that "Apple silicon is still crap for running even basic games smoothly"
Counterstrike is considered a basic game....
that runs smoothy lol :)
@@bielakbeats it’s also just compatibility headaches. Windows runs everything without issue and most games run smoothly on my hardware in the 16 pro. 5500m 8gb and 6 core 12 thread intel chip. Sure it’s not a beast, but it’s a workhorse and never really stumbles. New game just came out and I’m traveling. Hey I can install and play it no problem at all. It’s stuff like that.
I’ll admit I really love the idea of Apple silicon, and tbh I love tinkering, but for a daily driver - do everything machine, I love my intel Mac for being a Swiss Army knife.
It is so slow... I've used 2019 16-inch top-speck MacBook Pro and oh boy, it is so slow when compiling Xcode projects... M1 (even the basic one) is much much much faster and quite. The difference is real.
The M1 Max using the Blender 3.1a experimental cycles GPU renderer actually finishes the BMW demo in around 40 seconds. Apple is working with Blender and other software companies to increase compatibility with Metal.
That’s more like it. I heard 3 minutes and thought “that’s extremely wrong”. Sigh...if someone is going to use stats to prove a point then they should make sure the information they are providing is not incredibly wrong.
@@robertsondunn Stil 4 times as long as the 10seconds result from RTX.
@@arvinsim I agree with you and most of Luke’s points. I just think he needs to be a bit more thorough when citing stats to prove his point. He should have known better. He’s using alpha software to prove his point and he didn’t even have the settings right. 3 minutes is not 40 seconds.
I’ve got an M1 13” MBP and do most my everyday stuff on it. However, If I’m gaming or rendering something(in blender) I am doing it on my windows desktop with my trusty gtx 1080. Not the most modern setup, but still blows the doors off my laptop.
have purchased the max 32gb 32gpu specifically for learning blender. I can still return it for a refund, but I think it’s the best choice for me. Mainly due to fan noise and full power on battery. Blenders full version for apple silicone is coming out in march, and I recon it will complete with the noisy computers (while they are plugged in) they might even out class them when on battery power
See my comment above
As a long-term Window's user, I was incredibly tempted to order a 16-inch Macbook pro. Undoubtedly it's hard to beat as a complete hardware + software package for the layperson. I just don't like Window's laptops anymore. For example, if you wanted a window machine with a similar screen quality, you'd end up spending more than the price of an entire MBP for the monitor alone. After M1, I think it's incredibly difficult for companies to compete with apple's pricing. MBP is eye-watering expensive, but you're getting an incredibly polished product that's almost unrivaled for its target audience, and actually pretty good value.
The issue for someone like me is that target audience. I'm an engineer/scientist professionally, and an avid 3D modeler in my spare time. I live/work in 5 countries across 4 continents. I need a machine that I can take everywhere without much effort. Something I can work on as well as use recreationally (gaming). The problem with MacBooks is it literally has 0 use for me. I don't use my personal laptop for scientific/engineering simulations & modeling (i have my office for that). But I'd expect it to at least run some mainstream software of that sort, considering how Apple brags about its massive computing power, and how it's relevant in all industries (it clearly isn't). I can't do 3D modeling that well either, other than Blender, the only 3D modeling app properly optimized for M1 so far. But why learn Blender which is clunky and inefficient for the sort of modeling I do when I can run Rhino (something I have over a decade of experience in) on a windows machine with much more powerful graphical horsepower. Because Rhino never worked that well on Macs, even in the i7/i9 days. Even on Blender, MacBooks simply can't compete with RTX laptops when it comes to rendering speeds, particularly with complex lighting effects.
This is what happens when your target audience is primarily UA-camrs and other forms of visual arts professionals (video/photo editing type). You make a product extremely well optimized for a particular niche market while being almost irrelevant and alienating to everyone else. I'd love to tap into that amazing M1 computing power for some of my scientific work (computational fluid dynamics and phase-field modeling) and 3D modeling, but I can't. And neither can I game on it for recreation.
I'm really glad I didn't purchase it. I'll keep on using my Ipad pro for light mobile work (typing), and build an ITX RTX 3080 equipped desktop machine, and then figure out how I can haul it around 5 countries. But at least it's not a really expensive typewriter. Because MS office is probably the only use I'll ever get out of a MacBook
Perfectly stated. If you're a video editor, Macbooks are the thing to beat. But if you render stuff in 3D or game, Macbooks loose to much cheaper PC easily.
I disagree. It's not only just a target demographic of Video Content creators but also Software Dev. A majority of the industry mainly use Macs for Software Dev (Mobile, Front end, Backend, running VMs etc.) Just having the ability to use Bash in your terminal is way better than WSL which comes with its come issues (folder location and general bugginess.)
Overall, I find that MacOS finds the balance between having the fuctionality of Linux (terminal) and usability of Windows (GUI).
"if you wanted a windows machine with similar screen quality, you'd end up spending more than an entire MBP for the monitor alone."
Yes, but
1) that monitor is not tied to you laptop
2) the screen is significantly bigger and practical (and can probably double up as a TV and gaming monitor)
3) the most expensive consumer monitor that i remember is one that costs $2000-3000, and most consumer monitors dont cross $1000, which is significantly less than the cost of highest end Macbook Pros.
For $2000 or more, you get professional-class monitors, which are way better and practical than the ones in Macbook Pros.
Ultimately, while monitors can cost $1000 or more, you get what you pay for.
Other than that, as always, the most logical and true comment is the least upvoted one.
You buy for your use cases which is smart. The rest of us buy for ours. There must be a lot of users that think integrated Apple products fit their needs since we all paid for their "space ship" :)
Well yes they have an excuse for Blender. The standard version of Blender doesn't have Metal support yet meaning the test will run on the CPU. The newest alpha build has metal support and shows much better results
Plus it’s not even fully optimized yet. It’s only the first alpha build
According to MAX Tech, the latest Blender alpha build with metal and GPU rendering support is much slower than Nvidia cards, with 3080 in Razer Blade 15 being 3-4 times faster than M1 Max
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Luke is off here. 5:30 in and all i hear is stretching video time with stuff we already know, to make me i watch till the end. He bought them all for his channel. Not like he serious going to use them. So this review is not from a real user. And we knew that upfront because he is not doing real heavy video/animation/music stuff. So why you need all those features in the first place? And it's not only the gpu. It's the extra cores and the extra memory. Which he doesn't need.
@@wail3 actually if you watch the video he points out that it’s only the first alpha build so it can be further optimized.
Also the 3080 is on par with the M1 Max for the most part. Only with the raytracing acceleration did the gap widen. But keep in mind the M2 Max will be 50% faster in gpu performance.
i bought the m1 max mbp 16” (then returned for the 14” m1 pro) and then also ended up returning it because i really couldn’t justify the price over the regular m1 air that is so amazing
That's a great point, there is no way you can justify the price increase right? the M1 pro is a great machine. And you can pick up the base model new for less than 1000 now. and it will be good for another 4/5 years at least.
@@anthony8890 exactly!! the single core performance is exactly the same so for most basic tasks it’ll feel the exact same for like less than half the price! I do music production and it’s been more than enough atill and maybe 4/5 years down the line if i’ll need something more powerful, i’ll probably get an imac as it’ll still be great with basic tasks for another 4-5 years after that!
@@lukey333 Yes. always get more ram is rule one, But everything else is fine for a long time, and if you run out of memory, get an external ssd. They're super cheap now days. easy...
This vid aged surprisingly well given the Mac Studio announcement today.
The cost of the 16" M1 Max with 1TB storage was well worth the cost to me. I got the student price, plus I was able to trade in an older MacBook, so it only cost me about $2000 at the end of the day. What I got was (what I would argue is) as good of a display in a laptop that you can really get, excellent speakers, great compatibility with the apple ecosystem (switching devices with AirPods, copy on my iPhone then paste on my laptop, pictures instantly shared between devices), and certainly the best battery life I've ever experienced in a laptop. It's also really nice that if I want to play a game, it plays the exact same plugged or unplugged, though I don't play many games so the limited selection is fine for me. I loved the changes from my last MacBook, e.g. return of MagSafe, full-height function keys and removal of touchbar, larger screen, better keyboard, etc. Plus, I've just always preferred the cleanness of macOS as opposed to windows. For me, I pretty much do everything on one computer so while a Mac mini would be cheaper, then you'd need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse and it's no longer portable. With my MacBook, whatever I'm doing, I get a great experience on a plane, at work, or at home without having to buy/carry multiple devices. It may not be the absolute best in terms of raw CPU or GPU performance for the price, but its still really good while maintaining high battery life and 100% performance even when unplugged. The whole package makes it a premium device and I think it justifies the price tag. I know there are many that disagree with me, and to each their own; I'm just offering my opinion on how its well worth it for me.
But in the context of this video, what benefit did you get from the M1 Max over the much cheaper M1 Pro. Because you're talking all the benefits of the basic fundamentals of the laptop, like speakers, Mac OS, the screen etc. Which are exactly the same on both laptops. But nothing about how you justify the Max over the Pro. What kind of work do you do on the system? Because with your discounts and trade in, you could have got a pro for like a lot less!?!
@@jambononi I was addressing claims in the video about the M1 max not justifying its price tag; I wasn’t just answering the title of the video. He talked about the M1 Max laptop being unjustifiably expensive in comparison to the competition, and I’m just saying It’s not to me. I’m not really interested in the addressing which chip is more worth it. I also don’t really want to explain the work I do in a month-old UA-cam comment section to justify my choice in laptop.
@@roryhector6581 OK that's fine, you don't have to if it's top secret or something 😅 just my point being, those aren't justified to the cost of the laptop because the base model has those exact same things. So if your work or use case isn't justified, the only meaningful omission in what you said is what chip you're using. Because you might have been able to save almost $1000. So as a comment it would be helpful to know why you chose the max over the Pro. But again, you don't have to, it would just be helpful to know why you spent a lot more money for the different chipset
@@jambononi not secret, just complicated and not much point in explaining. But again I’m responding to the other claims in the video like “why not just get a Mac mini?” And Im saying “well I get this whole package with a great display, speakers, etc”. And same thing with his point that the M1 MacBook is a much better value, I’m saying that I wouldn’t get the screen, MagSafe, and all of that. So yes he does also mention that the M1 pro as being a better value, but that was one of many things he compared to. And I agree that if someone is trying to decide between the pro and max, my comment wouldn’t help them.
I still choose M1 Pro because it’s cheaper and powerful enough and expected to have more battery life 😁
The 16" MBP M1 Pro 16GB 1TB is the best choice. It's got all of the 16" benefits + best battery life of all the MBPs and comparable/identical performance to the Max for most things people care about. No overpriced options means you can recoup a bigger percentage of your cost, and a lower price overall means you're less committed and more willing to upgrade sooner (selling sooner also reduces your depreciation losses). I did the max-out-to-eke-out-5-years thing, and you still end up with a "slow" machine about 3 years in with overpriced options that have little to no resale value. Never again.
I also did "future proofing" with my 2019 16" 64GB/1TB Intel MBP. Never making that mistake again.
@@arvinsim Yep. Biggest problem with the approach is you’re buying today’s tech at today’s prices for tomorrow’s (hypothetical) needs. Tech always gets cheaper, so why would one ever buy ahead? Makes no sense. Example - 16GB upgrade is $400 today; what do you think that’ll cost in 2-3 years when you project actually needing it? $200? $100? $0 (included with base config)? Plus, bolting an extra 16GB to a 3 year old CPU+GPU for a premium makes no sense. This is all before one even considers inflation. That’s just insult added to injury.
Buy for today and put the “future-proofing” money towards your next machine in 2-3 years. Works a lot better since you’ll be getting newer hardware sooner and spending inflated 2025 dollars on it instead of 2022 dollars.
I love it that Apple, AMD, and Intel are now starting to leap frog each other in CPU performance. Like in the old days.
Apple wasn't in the game in the old days. 😂
@@asianstud7 the power pc days,yeah they were not comptition those day due power consumption and per
Agreed that the mid tier pro 10/16 is the best value. Also of course there are MUCH faster options in the PC space. I don't think that will ever change. Its not been often that apple has ever held the performance crown for long.
I'd argue though that even with its performance issues the overall package of the M1 pro still makes it good value.
I use a LOT of different brands in my job, and nothing has ever compared to the mac for small things that make an extremely important difference in day to day usage.
Trackpad
Speakers
Battery Life.
No one seems to be able to keep up with apple on those three fronts.
Yep, I got my MacBook 16 before I saw this video and decided to go for the M1 Pro 10c CPU, 16c GPU, 16 GB RAM with 1 TB SSD and I knew it will be the sweet spot as I ordered it. I love it.
The key is you maxed it out for diminishing returns. You should have researched the benefits of incremental spec bumps versus your specific use case. In my opinion.
The only reason for me to have an M1 Max is to do game development for the Mac and iOS platforms. Just wish it was as good of a value as the original M1 was.
I am a graphic and multimedia designer, I usually work with design programs such as: photoshop, illustrator, adobe premier and after effects, it is likely that I will also start using blender or cinema 4D, would be fine If I buy a 14” with M1 pro chip, 8-Core CPU, 14-Core GPU, 16GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage?
@@CarlosHernandez.RentaHouse I've been using my M1 Max for about a month now for Blender and Unreal Engine 4. It's been running better than my 2020 iMac with the 10-core intel i9 and Radeon 5700xt 16GB, but I'm also aware there are PCs with superior performance. This is especially the case regarding Lumens and Nanite in UE5. But for basic 3D model work and Eevee rendering in Blender, it's very good. Rendering in Cycles is not as good as a high end PC, but that will change as the Metal API becomes supported by the Cycles render engine in Blender. For strictly 3D art/design like ArchVis, animation and game asset creation, it's good enough, if not the cheapest option. For full stack game development using Unreal Engine, it's not so great, although if you are developing for the MacOS/iOS platforms, it's the best you can get.
All that said, I think the M1 architecture is going to keep getting better as more programs continue to adopt it and Apple develops it, but it still has a ways to go before its a 100% PC replacement. I still find myself using my PC quite a bit for certain game dev tasks that the Mac simply refuses to do or can't run as quickly, especially for older projects of mine.
I do not have any experience with other software like Cinema4D or Unity, but I've heard good things.
I don't regret buying the Mac. I like the potential that the M1 brings to tech, I like the Apple ecosystem. I like that there are very few AAA games for Mac, making it a much less competitive market, and I overall just like the vibe of the Mac. I'm willing to live with the short comings Apple and the new MacBook have and I'm also willing to pay the high price tag. For somebody simply looking for the best machine at the best price to do the work, that person should get a PC unless their workflow requires developing on a Mac for MacOS/iOS.
I hope that helps. Feel free to email me or hit me up on Discord if you need anything else. I'm always happy to help anyone trying to make a living in the creative space. It's a tough gig.
Discord: The Grey Wizard#4631
I got the M1 PRO and no regrets. It's the best laptop I've ever owned or used. It is more CPU and GPU than I need so a 16-inch Air would have been more suitable for me but this gets the job done. Go on an Acela (Amtrak Business Class) train and look at what everyone is using for a laptop.
as full time investor myself, I have to say that most finance people do use iPhones and Macs.
A few thoughts:
1) Power is one factor in all of this. What you are missing in the price point of the M1 Max MacBook Pro is the MODULARITY of this device. And that modularity has made it well worth the $4100 I spent on my 14" M1 Max.
I am a professional video editor. In the past, I've had to choose between either desktops or laptops, and desktops have always won my hard-earned dollars for performance and external displays (I need 3 external displays when I am editing; two computer monitors, one client monitor). I personally cannot justify having two computers since a laptop would simply be for word-processing and emails, and my iPad will suffice. So I have been without a laptop for 10 years.
Then these MacBook Pros came out, and not only do they have desktop class performance, but can power 4 (!!!) external displays?
When you say the MacMini Pro will be under $3000 for similarly priced specs? You're right... but that is ONLY a desktop. I can't take that with me. For $1000 more, I get a computer that can function as a desktop when I am editing at my home office AND a computer that can function as a laptop when I am on the road. And in COVID times, the idea I can take my high-performance editing computer on the road with me without compromising specs is AMAZING and well worth the $4100 price point.
If I got both a Mac Mini for $3000-ish dollars AND wanted a laptop? I would likely go with the M1 MacBook Air, and the total cost would be the SAME PRICE as just the M1 Max I bought, but I would have to sacrifice performance and monitors while on the road and keep two computers up to date.
2) I love your channel... but boy am I sick of these click-baity titles from tech reviewers... It's gone into overdrive with these MacBook Pros.
I agree with you entirely. Luke can do better than this.
All the considerations and evaluations you've shared in your comment make 100% sense to me. At the moment I don't require anywhere near the power provided by the MacBook Pro with an M1 Max. However, I am ready for an overhaul upgrade, having done all my music, light video editing, using a MacPro 3,1 and MacBook Pro late 2011 (recently met its demise). After much contemplation, my most sensible and practical course could be to have 2 laptops (1 being a MacBook Air for the silent operation recording voiceover), and after I get settled into new accommodation, a 4k monitor.
While the money you spent/invested is a fair chunk of change, it's very reasonable considering what you are now able to accomplish - at whatever time, ANYWHERE. As you put it: "... the idea I can take my high-performance editing computer on the road with me without compromising specs is AMAZING and well worth the $4100 price point."
@@WorldvsTruth I really don't think you need two laptops if one is a MacBook Pro. the fans almost never speed up, especially with audio. You either need to be exporting or REALLY pushing some super graphics elements to get them to go. And even then, they're not that loud.
Recording VO should be no problem. You'd be better saving the money on a M1 MacBook Air and getting a higher end computer or peripherals.
Best reply ever. All amazing points.
Modularity LOL
ProArt with Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB | 2TB | RTX 3070 | 120HZ | 100% P3 | Full size SD Express 7 | upgradable RAM/SSD, HDMI 2.1 | 2 USB C | 2 USB A for 2399$. Much better value.
For 99 percent of the world's computer users, the M1 Max is just too expensive. Money counts and the MBA does the job that most people are looking for. Great video.
Luke: i'm totally fine with spending $4,000 on this. (proceeds to complain about price.)
That's not how he said it.
Great video, Luke. I completely agree, the new MBP 16" is an absolute beast, but in a competitive and innovative marketplace with the new chips coming out, it's overpriced. I'm a huge Apple fan, but don't believe they'll change their strategy. They chose to position themselves near the top of the market and are (I believe) quite happy to continue with the legendary Apple tax. I was in the market to upgrade my 2015 MBP but have instead decided to wait and see what comes next with the MacBook Air. Let's see.
@Nathaniel Walker M1 is the base CPU though. Did you mean M1 base model or M1 PRO and MAX? Because these two get close, or even destroy some desktop GPUs and CPUs.
The 14in base or mid tier is the best IMO. Outside of dongle life the 13in is a great computer if you are using it as a pure laptop. And honestly I still need to carry around a USB-A to C adapter in my bag still even for the 14in. But the second you try to use the 13in as a docked desktop is where it all falls apart. The lack of two monitor support kills the whole thing for me. I know there are way around the problem, but that's just it. There's still a problem. I should be able to go from the multi monitor workstation at work, to a meeting, maybe public transit ride, to my home dock\workstation with multi-monitor support flawlessly. This laptop does not do this. The 14in does.
October 2022 saying hi to the past and that it sounds like we are getting an M2. I don’t think it will be a major change, I think your are right it will be next year.
At 8:00 you say "youtubers are video editors and that is where this thing really really good". I'm a video editor and that's what brought me here. So glad I caught that blurb because as a UA-camr and video editor, this is the kind of machine I'm looking for. I would have liked to see more content in this video talking to the video editors, but thanks, good vid.
I thought about all this *very* carefully after they came out and bought the 16" M1 Pro 10/16. I payed about the same amount that I did in 2013 for my previous MBP.
Great video Luke. I absolutely agree with your argument about value proposition and diminishing returns for such a specification. Over time, it has been shown that the M1 Max configuration with 32 GPU cores and 64 gigs of RAM is overkill for almost everyone and most certainly overpriced for the price-to-performance that system delivers. I am a developer and I recently ordered the 24 GPU core variant with 32 GB of RAM, 1TB of harddisk space for just under 3k (figured some discounts). Trust me, your video knocked some sense back in to me and made me think hard about what I actually need, and make my purchase decision ( I was going to go crazy and get the 64 Gig 2 TB 32 GPU cores variant).
There is a need for the max chip where people have workflows or requirements which could use that, e.g. support for more than 2 external displays and more video encoders. Additonally, many applications now a days including web browsers and IDEs use hardware acceleration for rendering. All that said, this does not require any more than 16-20 GBs of RAM actively at any given time. But considering that I intend to keep my laptop for a good 4-5 years, this configuration made sense. But thanks, you made me question my vanity and be pragmatic about this purchase!
I don't know what kind of developer you are so take my comment with skepticism. But as an Android developer, I compared M1 Pro 32GB with M1 Max 64GB and I saw at significant diffreence with app compile times. Another observation was that with 1 Android IDE and 1 IntelliJ, my 32GB mac would always be at the limit. with 29GB, 30GB usage of RAM. With this one, it stays stable at 43-44GB. Which made it clear that in 2 years timeline, my development workflow will grow to take up the extra RAM. For ex, in 2019 my workflow would work fine even on a 16GB mac, but in 3 years it already is way behind.
@@tusharchandra1992 You will see that difference between M1 Pro with 32Gigs and M1 Max with 32 Gigs too because of the memory bandwidth. Additionally, many JB products use hardware acceleration so any sort of decoders or GPU gains it gets, it will take. With my daily use I jump in and out of CLion, PyCharm, IntelliJ, VS Code, Rider, NeoVim and Sublime, Xcode and a few more with about a dozen terminal tabs and some debuggers. I also teach so I do 2-3 hour long sessions with screen sharing switched on, and Brave as my main browser. I also run a few other electron based apps. I am yet to choke my system. Plus my battery life is great so I don’t want anything extra that might drain my battery for things I am not using.
I never said that all developers need only 32 Gigs. There are certain use cases where I would absolutely want more than 64, but for most things that I do on my personal machine, price to performance ratio for me plateaus at 32 Gigs of M1 Max and 24 GPU Cores with the 16" form factor. With lower physical memory, RAM memory compression is also more aggressive which allows for lower battery consumption too. The SSDs and the Unified RAM are fast enough and most likely will be fast enough for at least the next 2-3 years as Dual channel LPDDR5 and PCIE4 devices roll out. The idea is that just throwing more hardware at the problem does not make things fast and that most certainly is true with the M1 series chips. I do not want to battle inefficient plugins and extensions with $1200 of my own money in the form of RAM and GPU upgrades; I simply don't use them.
All that said, Android studio is said to be resource hungry and if you use a lot of plugins with JB apps, they will eat all available memory and then some. So I use them with caution. But your use case may well justify 64 gigs
Cheers :) !
Finally someone telling the truth about GPU performance on the Macbooks...
Yeah what is the deal with not letting the consumer upgrade and repair? It's ridiculous.
You know what Luke, you might actually be right about this one. I am one of those who cashed in hard into original 16'' and even though I love this laptop, I want to try the M1 world. I was waiting for the new 16, but trying it out at the apple store did not really convince me. The M1 13'' might exactly what I want - including the Touchbar which I actually am a fan of. Thanks for mentioning this, it did not even occur to me as an option for some reason.
As soon as the M1 came out I wanted to know what they could do for a desktop chip in a desktop computer. It looks to me like Apple have not planned this properly, they were supposed to pull ahead and then pull out an unassailable lead. It was supposed to be a be complete overkill in terms of performance, especially graphics performance
Just bought the new 16” M1 max. It’s replacing my mid 2015 MacBook Pro. Iv avoided all until the new pro. Longevity is key. Lost count on how many (other branded) laptops my partner has gone through. Everyone compares chips. That’s such a narrow minded view on a product.
Exactly, longevity is crucial. I've been using my MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2013) for almost a decade. I'm finally upgrading and am going to choose the 16" M1 max. Looking at the negative reviews to see if anything can sway me, but honestly I'm still quite happy going with it
@@andrewdavies5722 Iv been unsung the 16” M1 max for a few months now and I honestly can’t fault it. Still got my 2015 pro set up with the Thunderbolt Display for trading. But the max is worth every penny and probably a bargain now the M2 is out (which I hear more negatives about).
I'm a previous Hackintosh user but I'm keeping my 14" M1 Max for probably 2 years. Mostly use for editing UA-cam videos and occasional photo editing.
Small note, but the 3080 Mobile would score around 15-17 seconds in the bmw render, that 10 seconds result was from Ian’s Desktop one
I agree. However I’ve already ordered a fully specced, literally fully, 16 MAX because I only do video and music. The stability and performance for both are superb on these machines. Music producers are in a very good place with the MAX.
I'm not really sure if MAX is a huge benefit for music producers over standard PRO. Max does have 200gbps more bandwith than Pro, but all of the video processing stuff is not a huge benefit for music producers, so I believe M1 Pro is the best value for producers specifically.
@@thomasaustin8477 Best value probably so, since I do both and use Apple programs I think Max puts people like me in a very good position. Very exciting times:D
This is essentially an Apples to Oranges conversation. The new processors coming from Intel and AMD still prioritize raw performance over efficiency and chances are they’ll still be heating up those machines like a camp fire for that performance. The MacBook wasn’t designed to be the best at raw performance but performance per watt. It’s a different category. The new MacBooks still win when it comes to that metric. It’s the same story, Intel and AMD promoting power at the expense of good thermals and low energy. Apple is not playing in that ball park. They’re over in the soccer field across town.
Exactly
Yep. It’s more like a clickbait video I think. But I understand and it’s fine. Coming up every week with a MacBook video while everything was covered already isn’t easy. So well done trying to offend fanboys with a title like this.
😂like a campfire🤣too funny. i set my intel mac on my belly when I'm too lazy to get up and turn the heat on.
@@dirkjan7048 I guess so. 😅 I bought my M1 pro 16” fully aware that it wasn’t going to be the top performer in the industry. Not burning my legs and not having to charge my laptop for days is a huge reason why I bought it. This machine has plenty of power for what I need as a software engineer. I mean, if Luke’s got buyers remorse who am I to question that but I would imagine he would be fully aware of this category difference between the MacBooks and literally any other PC in the market. That’s probably why this feels like a little bit of Clickbait to me as well.
@@angelamalhotra7252 Who needs a heater when you have Intel inside! 🤣
My 2009 iMac just died.....are you willing to part with any of those mac's you have? PLEASSSEEEE!!!!!?????
I7 and I9 with RTX 3000 and 4000 will have 4-6-7 hrs of active battery use while Macs have 17-20hrs of standby/youtube activity. You cannot do a 15 min clip of video editing in After Effects, render and export it on a single charge. 60-70% of the time you will have the charger with you do you'll be better with a high spec win laptop for "PRO" activity anyway (unless browsing youtube for 17 hours is a pro activity)
i think blender 3.0 is not compatible with metal yet, the 3.1 alpha renders a lot faster on apple silicon
@Luke Miani *FYI* your end screen isn't aligned.
How hard it is to get to the point to answer the question why you are regretting the purchase instead Of wasting our time just so you can extend the length of the video.
I'm glad I didn't went for the M1 pro or the M1 max. I'm a computer science student that's coming from a 2015 13 inch Macbook pro and I can tell you, the 13" M1 is just such an awesome upgrade. I didn't feel the need to spend a lot more money on features that I didn't need or would never use like the better GPU performance. The better battery life of the M1 over the M1 Pro/Max is just icing on the cake.
You are very funny!
the M1 pro 16inch is better than the 13inch m1 thou
@@alstonmiller212 It's also twice as expensive where I live. So yeah it better be haha.
I guess you aren't a developer that has multiple monitors then, or runs 30+ docker containers on a daily basis.
@@chrisalexthomas I can't think of a single computer science student in my entire school that runs 30 docker containers concurrently. And most of us aren't baller enough for 2+ screens.
Evry single UA-camr using this title or “why I returned mi M1 MacBook Pro Max” just to hear that they stucked to the m1 pro or air. Pure clickbait.
There's always gonna be something newer and faster. I bought the M1 max 16in with 64gb of ram as my first laptop and mac, and I gotta say I love being able to hang at coffee shops instead of being glued to my desktop designing at home. It is a lot of money, but I just keep telling myself it's only money and I can't take it with me lol. I'll enjoy it for hopefully a good 5-6yrs and then upgrade to something newer and faster like always.
I disagree with your reasons. Yes, upcoming x86_64 laptops might be able to outperform the M1 Max in raw terms; but they would do so at significantly higher power consumption (not to mention additional power requirements from GPUs) - which will significantly affect battery life. In addition, the thermal stresses x86_64 CPUs have could probably reduce battery life - take a look at how silent the M1 Max laptops are!. And… you get to run MacOS, which has some unique advantages over Windows; and it has the excellent Rosetta 2 system for Intel compatibility.
I agree that it is not the most powerful; but the M1 Max strikes me as the most balanced, the most power efficient - and highest battery life - and quite possible, the most future-proof. That laptop would still be good 4-5 years down the road.
Macs keep their value better than x86_64 PCs. As an investment, today, I feel far more comfortable with the MacBook Pros than with the alternatives.
I can't agree more. This is my take on it too.
Nope, the macs will be good for 2/3 years...4/5 years is only for doing basic stuff. No matter how powerful the me is because tech goes so fast after 3 years. It will start showing its age.
But MacBook can't run windows or Linux. That's a drawback for M1 macs
@@soorajj9207 they can, but only ARM versions through Parallels.
@@soorajj9207 they are able to run the ARM versions of such OSes
The 16 is best fir portable work, since you can actually work in the screen size. If you need more than two native external screens when you dock, you need max.
Not having a problem spending 4K for a laptop that you can't upgrade or worse, Apple will stop allowing you to upgrade the OS after 6 years when the hardware could easily run the OS and included apps is reason enough to have a problem spending 4K or the laptop in the first place.
I bought the 202116" MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro and 32GB of RAM. Considering I planned it to be a versatile desktop (with an external monitor and CalDigit TS3) and portable setup to do productivity work like After Effects stuff and photo editing (SD card slot
I got my 14 inch 24 core M1 max Macbook 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD along with Pro Apps for education for 2788$ (after taxes).
1-I traded in my 2014 Macbook
2-Got the educational pricing based on my university ID
3-Apple card cashback.
I completely agree with Luke and all the points he makes.
But Considering the fact that
1-I did not have to shift towards Windows.
2-I can still play X-plane but this time at MAXIMUM graphics (which is the only game I play).
3-My work includes primarily Music Production and Video Editing.
4-It doesn't sound like a JET ENGINE taking off and is super cool to the touch.
5-Build quality is 2nd to none, with a display that rivals the pro display HDR.
Sticking with the M1 Max was a choice I made after a lot of thought. The Pros outweighed the Cons for me and thus, even though I felt like returning it for a 2020 M1 Model, I decided to stick with my purchase decision.
I agree, you make excellent points. It always, comes down to what model of a device is best for each person. Because, each of us looks at things a little different (smile...smile).
How do you apply for the educational pricing?
M1 is good for today, but will be slow in 3 years. 14inch m1 pro is better cause you will certainly enjoy it more in 5 pr 6 years. M1 pro is 2x the computer for about $600 over the m1 13 inch pro.
2x? Hmmm even if buy the unbinned chip, it's more like 40% CPU power.
When you talked about how long the M1 was out and that Intel and AMD are refreshing their CPU's at a much faster pace you must have forgotten about how often Apple updated their computers before. Apple did not keep up with Intel's CPUs on their computers, but they kept the prices the same until they were updated which meant many people bought a full priced computer with a 2-6 year old CPU in it right before it was replaced with a new computer with a new CPU.
I'm sorry, but the actual performance level of the M1 Max is simply not what you're implying in this video. The Blender native build is still in its alpha stage, so there's still a ton of optimization that needs to be done, and just because a program is native on paper doesn't mean it's properly talking to the metal.
The media encoders & decoders are not the only special thing about the M1 Max. The raw performance of the GPU itself *is* on par with a 100W 3080 Mobile or a 3070 Mobile, the raw specs of the M1 Max and the properly optimized benchmarks clearly showcase that (10.4 Tflops, 327 gigatexels/second, 164 pigapixels/second) (see GFXBench as a properly optimized benchmark that is able to take full advantage of Apple specific technologies like TBDR (Tile Based Deferred Rendering).
On the CPU side, if you look at tests that are done in a more lab like environent (and therefore properly optimzied) by various reviewers like SPEC2017, you'll see that the 10-core CPU will still have a lead compared to even the latest Ryzen 6000 and Intel 12th gen Mobile series processors, and in worst scenarios, rival them (maybe not when they're pulling +100W from the wall all by themselves without considering the dGPU, but the M1 Max simply doesn't boost to those power levels). And in memory intensive parts of it like in SPECfp, thanks to the unified memory architecture (which, most Windows laptops and desktops will still not be able to take advantage of for a long time, if *ever*, because Microsoft doesn't have the same closed ecosystem advantage that Apple has to convince developers to adapt to it), and the CPU having access to the entire memory bandwidth that is also available to the GPU, the M1 Max is *so* far ahead of everyone else that only the latest Core i9-12900K with its DDR5 memory support can beat it, and apart from that one, you have to bring up server-class CPUs with many more DIMMs to be able to beat it. And this is all well-documented stuff, it's not like I'm the only one that knows these.
The problem with people benchmarking the M1 Max and the results it gets on them is that very few people are actually informed about the processor itself and knowledgeable about technology in terms of both hardware and software to know which part of the SoC the benchmark they're using is hitting. Sometimes the M1 Max only uses the E-cores, or just one P-core, sometimes the media blocks, sometimes both the media blocks and the GPU and the CPU, sometimes it isn't able to properly hit the GPU, etc. etc. and those reviewers come up and say "The M1 Max' GPU performance is overhyped bla bla". We should be able to (me included) acknowledge that we simply don't know this stuff enough (even those that are very cheek by jowl with the semiconductor industry but haven't done any research on the actual hardware of the M1 Max and are only seeing it with their Apple hater glasses on) to be able to come to these sorts of conclusions, and Apple doesn't really lie about this stuff in their marketing.
(Edit: Also, if the M2 chip comes out at closer to the end of 2022, it will most likely be based on the A16 architecture, and it *WILL* be much more powerful than M1. The A15 architecture already improves CPU MT performance by ~15% and the GPU performance by ~40%.)
+1000 likes for the info
Indeed, the video should be more about how most software is still not optimized for Apple silicon. Hardware is more than fine.
I recently purchased The MacBook pro m1 base model for about $1000 couldn't be happier, The 20hr battery life is insane!
Nice desktop background :O
Yeah I think tech youtubers and Apple have pushed the idea that the M1 Max destroys Intel, AMD and Nvidia. Apple definitely have some work to do. Hopefully the iMac Pro and Mac Pro solve this issue.
Love the wallpaper on that Mac though at the beginning! Does anyone know the original image or what category such a wallpaper would fall under?
0:56 He shows who it’s from
@@theartistchair_ oh thx man! idk how I missed that lol
I think it’s actually in the Hypernova pack
If the M1 Pro or M1 Max mini results being as efficient or better than 14" and 16" MBPs I'll consider it depending on the pricing.
I returned mine because the software ecosystem I work with (After Effects and its endless plugins) aren't ready, and I don't need the portability.
I'll get the mac mini pro or the new imac, which will at least have a usable screen for a similar price.
Something to keep in mind when comparing renders in things such as blender against the RTX 3080 is that Blender does actually utilize RTX to dramatically speed up rendering. The RTX cards are *designed* to do raytracing first. M1 chip, Max, Pro, or Standard, don't have that specialized hardware to do that.
If you ignore RTX, and disable that speed up in blender, you will likely see similar results on both systems. I'm not saying that makes the prices more justified, but it's probably how Apple was able to get the numbers they did. Simply comparing in things that utilize GPU power, but don't utilize RTX, since their hardware lacks that.
When will this nonsense stop? I’m so tired of these “influencers“ talking about why they regretted this or they made a mistake with that…blah blah blah. Subscribe and like people, subscribe and like! These people need the clicks and likes!
Currently dragging my knuckles with my 2017 entry level laptop. I have just started editing. Hopefully by the end of the year I can get a great m2 device.
Please bring back the cd/dvd drive and the original USB
You might have just saved me from making a $3500 mistake 😅
I think Apple's problem in this new era will be competitive pricing and compatibility. It's remarkable how long it's taken companies in all sectors to optimize their applications on M1 based computers. If intel & AMD can crack the efficiency race... it'll be tough for Apple to compete.
No, it's not remarkable at all. Other manufacturers are still running on x86, while Apple cooked a whole new architecture; x86 was created in 1982...! As a matter of fact, the sheer *speed* at which manufacturers have adapted is incredible, and proof of the immense impact that Apple have on the industry. This is the first ARM processor on any machine that isn't a smartphone, if I'm correct. If Intel and AMD are "more efficient", that'll only be because Apple figured it out before them. Give credit where credit is due here. Apple was not always swell with a lot of other companies, but this time, they did it all!
@@jas_bataille I am not discrediting their innovation. However, If you’re going to price your products as “pro” machines, its also beneficial to your customers to build better relationships with software developers. Your machine is worthless if you can’t provide an infrastructure where you can maximize its performance.
i think it is remarkably fast how quickly developers adapted, this was just stellar.
The second paragraph is just my opinion on these kinds of videos, but first I want to talk about the actual Mac’s.
Leaving out the fact that both the 14” and 16” have thunderbolt 4, really great speakers. Pretty decent IO, a ton of video accelerators on top of some crazy amount of GPU power..but two major reasons why I don’t think these things are a bad value compared to the 13” is because of the 4K miniled display that you can’t get anywhere else, and the absolute insane battery life you can get out them. I’m a musician, and I don’t think there’s many out there that would even scoff at Apple this time around because these things are absolutely game changing for us. Try buying the perfectly speced out windows laptop you can get and try running it on a studio session or a live show. Thunderbolt is a dream compared to anything that came before, and a lot of studio guys had to get a Mac desktop just because there wasn’t many Macs that could keep up with the big stuff a few years ago.
Also, very good to consider that we are just starting to see some real native code for arm software coming in, and I guarantee all of the M1’s will get an even bigger boost.
I agree that the MacBook Pro 13”, but even more so the air is the best bang for your Buck for 99% of stuff. I kinda just get a little frustrated with this though because he’s probably using a Mac Studio or iMac when he’s working, so yeah…you could have gotten a 13”, but I’m so tired of these 5+ videos a day with a title..”6 months later and I regret buying the speced our MacBook, and no one even needs that much power!”
One, there are plenty of people who can use that power, but more importantly take advantage of that efficiency and headroom left on the table in case you run into something heavy.
I’m also someone who bought the 2019 16” Macbook Pro right before 2020 and I never imagined that I’d see used a books drop so fast in value, but it is what it is. Most of the time I’m going to buy a computer that is definitely more than I need, because I know in a couple years I’ll have room to grow. You don’t want to be constantly running your computer at full throttle all the time.
I don’t know, I like this guy, but I’m sad to see him fall into that clickbait trend.
I have the 16 inch as I needed the screen size, basically needed a pc but I like moving around the house. The 16gb m1 pro is more than enough with 1tb! And battery is amazzzzinggggg
Very impressive. I switched from the 16’ 2019 model to a Dell XPS in 2021. It’s a great laptop that performs really well but battery life is poor. I was thinking of moving back to a MacBook Pro purely down to the battery life. TBH based on the data from the new 12th gen i9, I may wait and see what they are like with a view to staying with Windows because overall I prefer it to MacOS.
Dell XPS is an oven.
Something like Ideapad 5 Pro 16" would probably have excellent battery life.
If your only point the m1 max is regrettable because the m1 exists - I think that's a weak link. I regret buying the m1 6 months before the m1 max/pro's came out because I really really wanted an integrated card reader and additional ports - but that's flawed thinking on my part. I want the 16 max/pro but it won't fit my nomatic edc. The 13 will. And it'll do everything I need it to do for travel.
If the two computers are $1000 difference - they serve two different purposes. In 5 years, you'll say the M1 max is one of the best buys ever as they do everything a person needs to do. But you're right on the butterfly keyboard and 2019 mbp's. They were junk. They still work but that would be regrettable in buying them now. I still think a 2015 2tb is worth a buy for $500-800 for light work.
Not because it exists, but because it is a better value relative to it's price point and competitor offerings
@@lukemiani ok bro
“Apple needs to play catchup.” Huh? Apple is practically in the driver’s seat at the moment with a real product in Apple silicon that, by most measures, actually has delivered in performance, efficiency and battery life. Apple will only have to worry about “catching up” when there are more bonafide, on-the-market computers with Intel and AMD chips that can match in all of those areas, but at price points that ultimately may benefit consumers. And even if Intel and AMD does catch up, I doubt that Apple has not anticipated the competition or does not have a years-long (maybe 2-5) roadmap that takes both Intel and AMD into account. I would humbly submit that it is Intel, based on its reactive marketing since the announcement of Apple silicon, that will be playing catchup, even if it now has a senior engineer poached from Apple. All-in-all, it’s going to be really interesting to watch. And I didn’t even mention the continuing chip and supply shortages that computing and parts manufacturers/supplies are still going to be struggling to work through. Thanks for the video!
Depends on applications and industries, he litterally mentioned cases where competing laptops salughter it. There is no one fits all as of right now. In cpu bound cases I do love the fact that apples performance isnt a bottleneck anymore though compared to when they were stuck with intel not innovating for almost a decade. Nvidia in the GPU department has been pushing their arcitectures to the limit each generation with 20 to sometimes 50%+ performance gains and I don't think Apple is going to catch up in GPU bound tasks quickly unless they make the laptop thicker and less power effecient.
@@zip3704 I fully agree that it’s application-dependent. If you’re a gamer, most hard-core ones aren’t going to go for Apple first, though the company has been doing its best to address this, while being hamstrung that all of this has to fit within the whole of the entire user experience. Some things such as overall GPU performance, my thinking is that Apple might think that so long as its own products and that of its partners can not only perform at base-level, but also be capable of maxing efficiency and, when needed, battery life (some applications will just have to get the power cord out to avert large battery drains; no avoiding that), then ultimately “good enough” will have to do. Nvidia will continue to keep pushing, and who knows if Apple will catch up, but again, good for all of us as consumers in the long term. But I still stand by “Apple needs to catch up” as a bit hyperbolic.
🤔So, you regret that you bought a M1 Max a few months ago (that you HAD to buy for your channel anyway), rather then wait a few months from now to buy a PC that you are not going to use for editing? Come on Luke....Regret? That is the story of the tech world, lol! You should just rename this video: "Computer companies are always making a faster machine than the one you just bought." 😥
I'm a very busy graphic designer - I've had a new mac pro for 2 month now and I've not fully started using yet due to the amount of bigs with Photoshop. It's diabolical.
I bought the M1 max because it solves my issues with the 2019 16” while staying in the apple ecosystem. Switching to Windows or Linus as my daily driver is simply not an option. I’m super happy with the machine and frankly don’t care what other windows, plasticy laptops offer. They don’t have the design, the display, the absence of fan noise etc going for them. If I wanted a windows machine, I’d never consider apple. If I want macOS I don’t care about windows machines. I can’t get a Mac with these new intel chips anyway, so why should I care?
OK you want macOS. But do you also want to spend a ridiculous amount of money on basic RAM and storage? Do you want to kill the environment with unupgradable parts?
Im pretty sure you could get a PC laptop and hackintosh it for way less money.
The display won't be as good, but it is not the biggest compromize: hackintoshing is hard, kind of unreliable and updates are difficult or sometimes impossible. But think about it: this is all Apple's fault again!
Also, these M1 chips that got everybody impressed by their efficiency and performance... they forget about one major thing: they are ARM based CPUs. That architecture is known to be much more efficient, so there is no Apple miracle in this, and when Windows ARM will be reliable enough with a decent x86 emulator for older softwares that are not developped anymore, Intel and AMD will be able to make ARM based CPUs as well and I wouldn't feel too surprised if they were to kick Apple Silicon out of the match in a single hit!
Thank you for your review, Luke. I have an online show and do video editing. My 2015 Macbook Pro is having issues and costing too much to repair. So I bought the Macbook Pro M1 16" because that's all that was available right now. I have been back and forth about returning it and waiting until the Max or just the PRO 32 was available. You're review helped me decide to keep it. I'll let you know what I think. Thanks again. C
exactly, I bought the M1 MacBook Pro after watching the max and the pro keynote. I will be waiting the m2 chip to see where it will take us. I saw it the M1 was a best value for the price.
Enough with the clickbait titles please.
If that’s what it takes to attract viewers, get a different job.
There are a million other Mac channels,
all doing the clickbait thing; “did I make a mistake” “watch before you buy” “what you don’t know”
Im taking the time to post a comment because you’ve provided some good content over the years.
There is also the issue of Fab capacity and just how long it takes to manufacture a chip batch. That number is anywhere from 8 to 12 months. That's right a whole yeartime's capacity to manufacture is locked up with Apple. But the M2 would have had to enter manufacturing in January of this year to be ready for April of 2023. We are not there yet. I don't think TSMC has the capacity to run both M1 and M2 simultaneously.
I bought a base mode M1 pro. Never heard fan sound till now
Thanks to me saving money for going for max out versions
Nice take, well thought out, but until these chips are tested in real life then choices will be made, what I like with apple is, they always Inspire the bunch, but I think its time apple just make a product that does all things good, from video editing to gaming, step out of their niche
I love my Mac Pro M1 13inch . I admire the Touch Bar features, it’s quiet, it’s thin, my battery life & picture quality is AMAZING and i don’t need all those excessive ports.
I will say you have to be careful with this because a lot of them tend to mark up what they actually get, whether it's Apple, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc. You have to be careful, just because they said their chip runs faster, doesn't mean actually does, not to mention how much power do using to get that speed?