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@maxtechofficial if I have a massive Plex media server running on multiple external hard drives would you suggest the M4 pro 16 inch or the max 16 inch right now I’m using an M3 pro 14 core 512 GB 18 GB RAM machine for reference.
@@Chikec8 and your M3 Pro can’t handle it smoothly? If it’s choppy get more ram and the faster M4 Max. Try it out and see if it’s better. Very few people reviewers use plex as a benchmark.
@@SkylerMills its an issue for apple as m1 owner won’t get a new mac for a long time. On the other hand it was necessary for the m1 macs to be stellar, else no one would have been interested to get one and ditch intel/x86 architecture.
I bought the base model. M4, 16GB Ram, 512 SSD. My old HP laptop has a 9th-gen i5. It’s my first new computer in almost 5 years. I’m more than happy with it.
My first too! Coming from a Dell XPS 15. I went with the 14” M4 Pro 14/20, 48 Gb RAM and 1TB SSD. I went with the standard display as I was concerned about reduced contrast and detail clarity for photo editing with the matte finish.
Just FYI I ordered the exact same configuration but in silver. I have a M1 Mac Air and the M4 Pro with 48 GB / 2TB seemed like a solid upgrade that will last 4-5 years.
@@МадиярНиязтай are you sure adding hundred dollars is worth it? tbh the base 512 GB are enough to install apps, you can still buy a cheap SD card to store photos and videos as there is a slot for that
@@МадиярНиязтай no but id rather think strategically and would rather pay 500€ more and get the m4 pro which has double fan, and a lot better performance. than paying 200€ just for storage which you can also solve afterwards. but thats just me.
The external USB drive you're advertising is USB 3.2 gen2x2, which is NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY MAC AT 20Gbps! You'll be limited to 10gbps unless you pony up for a Thunderbolt/USB4 version.
@@NetvoTV You''d have to ask the USB consortium why they'd make a "USB 3.2 Gen2 2x2". Maybe they like 2s. It doesn't provide any benefit over USB4/Thunderbolt other than being cheaper/easier to implement. I only pointed it out because on Apple hardware you're better off with USB4/TB (faster) or just 10gbps USB 3.2 (cheaper and functionally identical).
Well if you need 64 GiB (or more) of RAM, you need the M4 Max. That's unfortunate, because many software developers do need lots of RAM and CPU cores, but wouldn't need the extra GPU cores or video decoding/encoding HW.
Good point. I’ve been looking at configurations and find that Max to unlock ram over 48gb annoying. Am I the only one who leaves a lot of chrome tabs open and still want to run other apps that need RAM? :)
48gb is plenty for the vast majority of software dev. If you need more than that you are doing something that would be better to do while SSH'd to a server. Either that or you need to convince your project manager to move off Teams. In that case, God help you
@ Haha, Teams. If 48 GiB works for you that's great. We're a 400+ people software company, with over 50% of developers using Macs (mostly MBPs), and 64 GiB 1 TB with as many cores CPU as possible is our default, only to be had with the Max chip. Some are thinking to go 128 GiB, as that's our default for Linux/Windows 16-Core Ryzen PCs, but because the upgrade price is outrageous I don't see that happening except for very few specific workloads.
I upgraded earlier this year from a 2018 15” MBP to the baseline M3 Pro as a refurb from Apple. No regrets and while of course I love the new ones, not on my agenda to upgrade for several years
My 16" M1 Max with 64GB ram is still rocking just as good as the day I bought it. I think I can wait it out another year or two. M1s are just too freaking good. Would definitely like to see a real world comparison to M1 Max vs M4 Pro though. Not just benchmarks.
Have you considered that the fact they raised the base to 16GB RAM across the board implies that Apple Intelligence is much more of a drag on the RAM at all times and thus increased RAM at all levels is necessary? and 16GB won't be "good enough" for everyone anymore
Agreed. And they can't really test it now, because Apple is rolling out AI sequentially over the coming months...Apple goes in multiples of 8 GB, so 16 GB was next step. But does that mean that AI needs the full 8 GB or less? I am having the M2 with 16 GB and feel I need more (Xcode & Co). But 24 GB might not be enough due to AI ...
I'm going to deactivate this Apple intelligence, I don't need to make bunny emojis merged with cucumber and I don't want AI to summarize my emails to me, so I'll save memory 🤣
Er, the Max has the option of going from 20 GPU cores to frigging 40 GPU cores. I’ve seen game benchmarks where that literally doubles the frame rate. No mention of high end gaming?
Very sound advice. I hit the wall in a couple of apps with the M1 Pro and was ready to upgrade. I passed on the M2 and M3 versions. The M4 is a definite upgrade. I also went for the unbined version and upped the memory to 48g while I was at it. Something tells me that AI will be a big memory Hog as these apps develop and evolve. Far cheaper than the M4 Max and best bang for my buck. I will upgrade to the M4 studio whenever they come out from my M1 studio.
I hope to test the popular configurations in the future: M4 pro 14CPU + 48GB RAM + 1TB and M4 MAX 16CPU + 64GB RAM + 1TB. What will the battery life be like when M4 MAX turns on low power mode?❤❤❤❤
A lot of good information here. I pulled the trigger on my first Mac, an M4 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM, 1TB Storage, Space Black. The plan is to move my current PC Laptop contents over and effectively retire my PC laptop. This means saying goodbye to Windows (personal anyway, work gear has to be on PC) and changing my software choices for video editing. I might end up with Final Cut Pro on that score, though it doesn't look like it will be able to write to DVD or Blu-ray destinations.
I would appreciate tests using “Paralles Desktop” and running multiple operating systems at the same time. Will the internal bus speed make a difference?
Capacity is the much bigger deal there. That's where the 24GB in the base M4 Pro model will run circles around the 16GB in the base M4 version. Most VMs recommend no more than half the system's memory dedicated to the VM, so that's 8 GB vs 12 GB, and you're leaving your Mac a bit more RAM to work with to process Mac tasks while Windows is running.
I purchased the M3 Pro MAX 48Gb upon release last year and that was a mistake. I needed more RAM but wanted it immediately. If you want to run LLMs with 70+ billion parameter LLMs, then you really need the 128 GB RAM. For that reason, I am purchasing the M4 Pro MAX 128 Gb with delivery expected 11/22.
M4 Pro is sadly limited to 48GB on the Macbook pro, where as on the macmini, it does support 64GB... if you need the memory, you have to buy an M4 Max, and you are obliged to take the larger SSD and extra GPU's Damn apple ! And... why no 10Gbs ethernet on the mini? I have 10Gbs from my swiss ISP, but the ethernet port on the mini can't cope with it.
Would love to see what the M4 Max can do in the 14" chassis compared to a 14 inch M4 Pro. Am also interested in seeing the performance in "low power mode" compared to older models without low power mode turned on. This imo is where it will excel as a travel editing workstation, being able to do long bus or plane journeys without eating the battery but having great performance.
@@kelvinlau09 I have a 2017 MacBook Pro, back then it was £1,400. I’m due an upgrade, so do I go for the base MB Pro 14,20,24 with 512 SSD? Is that enough for me? Lots of chrome tabs, streaming movies and series that kind of stuff
@@darktemptation3931 M4 MacBook Pro base model is more than enough for what u do as u mentioned. But for future proof I'd go for M4 pro for the thunderbolt 5 alone.
I ended up ordering a M3 Pro 14" model refurbished for a bit cheaper and very excited to get it! Hoping the extra GPU cores and extra fan will make a difference vs the base M4 MacBook Pro. So excited, should be coming later this week! I'm coming from the M1 Air, especially excited for that amazing mini-LED 120Hz display! Plus I'll actually be able to really play some games on it!
I'm a musician and eventually want to use it for live performances with minimal latency. I'm on the fence because on one hand the M4 may well suffice for the task, but on another hand apps that are used for real-time audio like Live Ableton apparently don't do much with efficiency cores at all because they aren't really well fitted for the task. So a 4/6 p-core/e-core ratio feels like ass for that purpose, while 8/4 ratio of the M4 pro seems to make a lot more sense. What do you guys think?
Good question, I’m interested in how low I can set my audio buffers when running MIDI Guitar 2 and the new version 3. My current PC can only go down to 128 without chopping up the audio.
Ain't that a shame, if I got my I-pad pro m-4 13"1tb and the 2 magic things before I bought launch nov 20, 2020 of M1 I'd have to trade in the M-4 i-pad pro for my 8/8 gpu 16gb 1 tb MacBook (G) Air. 🤣
The one big issue for buying a lot of SSD storage is that some tools will not work with external connected drives. For instance I have a very large Microsoft One Drive for business. One Drive does not work with external drives. Dropbox and many others do, but not good old Microsoft. That dictates a large SSD for me. Combined with the inconvenience of having an external drive for lots of video to lug around. Everything else you provided was good advice but SSD size has to be carefully considered. Yep Apple is charging too much.. but that is the way it is.
If getting base m4 chip, might as well wait for Mac air. Cheaper, Lighter, screen size is perfect, for me at least, at 15 inch. Fanless. You will lose out on a few pro features like 120hz and mini led etc
Disagree with the storage upgrade advice. I got 4tb on my first 2019 mbp and will get it again this time. It is expensive but im already spending a ton. I did some math and keeping it for 4 or 5 years, the sub for the equiv worth of cloud storage will come close to the cost of the hardware and be way more convenient. And plugging a wire in for an external drive is sounding like a usability nightmare.
I use an M2 air base for everyday stuff, and an older 2021 M1 Pro and really only use it for music production. Both laptops are still running just as good as the day I bought them.
Already ordered a M4 max, do i need the max? According to this video probably not but have the money and I call it future proofing. I’ve always brought the best i can afford and it’s served me well so far so i see no reason to stop.
I’m a videographer going from a 2017 Intel-based MacBook Air (8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, basically all base specs) and I just pre-ordered the M4 Pro (12 core CPU, 16 core GPU, 24GB RAM, 512GB SSD MacBook Pro. Should I cancel it and get the 14 core CPU and 20 core GPU as he mentioned here at 7:30? I don't think I would NEED it for sure, but it might be nice to have
Dont do it. This is a hypothesis he made and historically for all other M series, the chip upgrade barely made any difference at all in terms of performance as shown in tests. RAM upgrade is way more influential
@ I appreciate your response, thank you! If the M4 Pro came with 18gb as the base option still, I would’ve 100% upgraded to 36 or so. But 24GB is really good already and overall, definitely worth the change from a 2017 intel maxed MacBook Air with the lowest specs possible
Should I buy the M4 Mac mini / M4 MacBook Pro with the configuration of m4 pro base chip, 24gb ram, 1tb ssd? I need it for video editing for yt channel, photo editing for photography, programming python and java script apps, web browsing and media consumption. I want to upgrade from my old windows gaming pc from 2018 which has i7 8700 and gtx 1050 ti, and I’m willing to upgrade it and move to my first Mac.
Turn the windows PC into a multi TB NAS running Turnkey File Server, and get as close to a stock Mac mini if you want to reuse the monitor. For $300, you could get a RAID1 4TB setup that should be enough for video editing uses if you use the higher quality WD or Toshiba drives. Given the age of the hardware, you could also augment that by spending $30 for a pile of used Optane drives that you could RAID0 together as a SLOG, assuming you are using ZFS.
The Pro is always the sweet spot and a beast of a chip and this year’s M4 is a big jump exceeding the M3 Max and M2 Ultra CPU power while has better graphics than the M1 Max and even the M2 Max in certain areas (Shaders, Ray tracing and faster cores, etc). Base config is good and very big step up than your old gaming PC, even the M4 is a big step. For YT, video editing, graphics and coding it’s perfect and has plenty of power to chew all that for many years. There’s a rule: always get the most RAM that you can afford for graphics intensive apps and future proofing, but honestly, 24GB is more than enough for your use case. After effects need more and audio editing with tons of tracks can benefit from more, AI and LLM training as well. The 24GB will keep you happy for 5-6 years at least. 512GB is the least but 1TB is better, anything higher you need should be through Thunderbolt enclosure + fast NVME SSD, dont pay the upgrade high tax, dont fall for it. That’s from my experience as a SW engineer who worked in graphics and TV production, game design and programming, switched to Mac since 2011, religiously while still use windows and runs dockers and Linux servers and a big home lab. My 14” M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16c CPU, 16c GPU with 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is still super fast and chews everything. (3D design and After Effects work better with more RAM so it’s the weak point here). I will only upgrade for the M4 Studio with M4 Ultra to double the encoders and Neural Engine cores with 48-64 RAM just to decrease the time for AI video enhancements and transcoding tasks I do on the side. Good luck and enjoy your new M4 Pro beast for many years to come. Cheers mate.
@@fmax3000 Ok, thank you very much for the detailed answer! Which one should I buy btw? Mac Mini or MacBok Pro with those same mentioned specs of base cores m4 pro chip and 24gb ram and 1tb ssd? I want mainly for desktop machine. Debating between Mac mini as a desktop machine and m3 15” MacBook Air 16gb ram 512gb ssd for university and portability only, or buy only the MacBook Pro for both use cases (desktop and university with portability)?
@@oren_katz I have a very similar setup personally. A 8700 is still good enough to run a file server of this scale. And most importantly, it keeps perfectly useable components out of the trash
In another video, you strongly recommend against upgrading to 14 cores 😅-now I’m a bit lost! I’m still debating whether the cost of upgrading from 24GB to 48GB of memory on the 16-inch model with 1TB storage is worth it.
For me the best combo seems to be a Mac Mini or Mac Studio with an iPad Pro since I do a lot of sketching and need the Pencil Pro and do my main video and photo editing on desktop. A laptop is kind of in the middle not fulfilling completely either use for me. I will still try to wait until maybe 2026 when maybe Apple will finally upgrade the iPad Pro to where it is a complete laptop replacement. Apple seems to be going to a 5-year cycle with their products so I will too.
Question: for me the most important thing is an absolut quiet MacBook (Music production). You were mentioning, that the 16 inch MacBook has bigger fans. Do you expect, that a 16 inch MacBook Pro with the pro chip (not the Max chip) would be cooler and quieter due to the bigger fans than a 14 inch MacBook?
How’s the upgrade? I have a 2017 model and need an upgrade. Don’t know if it’s worth getting the 1TB SSD over 512 and then also bumping up the RAM to 48 since 36 isn’t an option.
@@darktemptation3931 Working great. So far with the workloads of my workflows it never used swap. I have 24GB. I think that 1TB upgrade is worth the investment, but it depends how you plan to use it.
Watching this on my 15' MBP mid-2014 i7 16gb 512gb.. I just love it, I do video and photo editing and it works great, but it's time to upgrade as I want to try some new programs that won't run on Big Sur.. Guess I'll be buying a 16' M4 Pro 24gb 1tb! Thanks for this video 🙌🏻
I don’t get how the takeaway is that the base model is fine if you couldn’t run over 15 fps in davinci. To me that means one computer works at real time editing and the other simply doesn’t. I also think a lot of this export stuff is cpu heavy, not gpu heavy, even when dealing w video/photos
@ Battery and cpu power is night and day. It’s been handling Ableton, Affinity designer and multiple multitasking apps and chrome like a breeze! Great upgrade. The only thing is the base 16gb of ram does seem to be too little. Seen a good amount of memory swapping.
I went with M4 Pro base model because you can use the compact 70w charger but if I go with the M4 Pro higher core it only gives 96w big charger brick. As a traveler I think it’s best for the 70w brick, do you think I’m making the right decision or should I buy the 70w separately and get M4 pro higher core cpu?
I am not sure if this will hold for the M4 series but historically from comparison videos i've seen upgrading the chip is the least needed upgrade and makes barely any difference at all.
@ he mentioned that we get 2 more performance cores in the upgrade but I don’t see how it will benefit much from the already fast 10 performance cores (but only on geekbench will the difference be seen)
What about re-sell ability? I opt'd for the M4 Pro 14c/20c/24GB/1TB not because I do anything that needs it, but I feel like it would be easier to resell down the road.
Before watching your video I'm thinking of getting a MacBook Pro with an M4 pro chip (base variant)....and now I'm thinking of upgrading the M4 pro chip to (14-core CPU/20-core GPU) But my question is I will not be upgrading the SSD from 512GB to 1TB will it be a hindrance to its performance capabilities Note : - I don't know my workload I just need a device that can do anything that I throw at it. I'm new to Apple/Mac devices this is going to be my very first Apple/Mac device or product
If you need the storage, turn your old machine into a file server. Install Turnkey File Server or something, and take advantage of very cheap SSD pricing
I ordered it with M4 Pro Chip base variant. The problem is that once you upgrade to higher tier, you'll start thinking of the next tier. Don't overthink it. You probably won't notice the difference at all. For that money, you can buy some Mac accessories.
@@TeodorPetrovic7 Same here.. Exactly what im going through. I got the m4 pro chip base varient too and seeing everyone say to get the "upgraded" one... But im mainly using it for pen testing/coding/ having a few VM's so i dont really need the extra gpu cores
The price really isn’t bad considering the competition. Probably by the time they add those things it’ll be more expensive. I’m surprised they didn’t raise prices this year
What I really need to know is with the m4 max will 48 gb of ram be enough and at what point is it not enough. Im upgrading from an imac pro so want to make sure i have enough ram.
Finally a reason to upgrade from my M1 Max MBP with the fully spec'd chip and 32gb memory. I went with a 16" M4 Max (16" purely because of heat and throttling - unfortunately), and 128gb memory and the fully spec'd chip. I think this thing is going to fly. Nothing in between made sense for me to upgrade my M1 Max though... so I'm happy to upgrade this year.
@ I maxed it out with 8tb. I still have a number of NVME RAID enclosures daisy chained via Thunderbolt 3 on top of that too. I have so much data in high res photo/video it’s ridiculous.
I have a 2015 (Intel) 15" MBP that's having problems. The battery (its second) is way up on its cycles and way down on capacity. Besides that, the battery has swollen and warped the case. Trackpad has been acting up and shuts down occasionally. Time for a new one. Your video has helped me decide: MBP M4 Pro 1 TB 14 Core CPU/20 Core GPU; 24 GB RAM
I'm using a 2015 (purchased in 2017) Macbook Pro 16 inch. The battery is now bulging. I phoned Apple and they wouldn't give me a straight answer about what the risk is of it exploding. I'm buying a new one as fast as I can. Can anyone inform me about the risk of explosion? Thanks
Last time I had a Mac, it was an old 2011 iMac I used until around 2017-ish. I've been thinking about a Mac since they switched to their own silicon, it may be the time.
Went with a specced out MAX cause I want to keep this thing for the long haul. Owned my last pro for more than a decade, and I'd like to do the same with this. I edit 8K video, so the more horsepower the better. Did opt for jus the 2TB HDD cause Thunderbolt 5 is going to be blazing fast, plus, as a filmmaker, it makes sense to relegate different projects to different SSDs.
Creative Professional who blew a bag on a M1 Max in 2021 and it's still throwing punches at everything I throw at it. 4k video editing, graphic intensive work ! Save some money buy a previous version M series laptop unless you absolutely need this new shiny machine.
M1 and M2 machines are way overvalued (at least in UK/EU). We're talking 3 to 4-year-old machines with mileage to match, soldered-on storage and hard-to-replace battery. Scrapping all 8GB models obviously, as they were meant to be the e-waste they are, those that were upgraded to 16-32GB or RAM are hard to come by, and they tend to cost 65% of the new M4 models. Example: street price for an M1 Pro 14-inch with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD is £1500, its new equivalent is £2500. In other words, you lose 3 years of useful life (probably its best life too) for a 35% discount. The right price for used M1 macs now should be £400 for base M1 and £600-700 at most for Pros. We're nearly a grand out of whack. Sadly, the fact that new PC laptops are also overpriced sh*t doesn't help.
@@user-iq334 Depends on how much you value time. Businesses buy absurdly expensive workstations based on the h100 because that thing just crunches through numbers like nothing else, so for any sort of R&D work, that high price tag is well worth the time saved.
U know why 8elite literally discriminates , obliterates and smokes out black the A18 pro "The latest so called best chip in world" because max is an apple fan boy and he don't want to accept the fact that android is in wholly other league of performance compared to shitty iphone.
Still on a M1 Max, I upgraded and future proofed It and it literally works so well I don't need to upgrade. I am def gonna hold out for the M5 before deciding to upgrade.. as much as I want the black color way.
smart decision, well I have all the necessaries (G) unbinned 8/8gpu 16 gb 1 tb. but I'd probably take a base with all the mess since m-2 and what I mostly do. always keeping a tight grip on it but probably get a MacBook I-pad combo full touch screen 18" foldable even if its not the most powerful. Cause all you need is a M-chip. I like it better than my 13" m-4 I-pad pro 1tb even. W/both magic things and this cost $1,000 more, maybe the 5 watts thing? don't know but it's the best thing I've ever bought, the M1 air. Have a 15 PM too.
Does getting the unbinned M4 Pro mean your battery life would be worse than the binned M4 Pro with regular lightweight activities like surfing the web and watching videos?
I’m planning to buy the m4 max in 14” as well because portability is important for me. I’m confused after watching this video though. I’m gonna be using it for 3d modelling and rendering mostly. Hope the difference is not noticeable.
Thanks for the info! I’m still using my 2016 MacBook Pro. I’d still be using it if I didn’t accident break the screen and basically have to replace the whole thing while moving 😅
Do you guys think 24 GB of RAM is enough for the 14" M4 Pro 14 core model? I am a CS student and we do a lot of Unity or blender soon or should I rather go with 48 gb of RAM
I do not like the idea that this guy gives recommendations on the devices that haven't been shipped yet. Who knows, maybe they have issues with cooling, maybe M4 is too unstable or faulty, maybe the screen hinges are too weak. I know Apple strives for the highest quality, but they had unpleasant f-ups in the past
I know, Apple Silicon is a known entity and so is the 3nm lithography process. Mac Mini is the only form factor upgrade and its cooling is more than adequate, considering the same chip is running without a fan in the iPad Pro.
I would agree with you for the most part if Apple was releasing a significant upgrade like the jump of a new chip such as intel to silicon, however, this is the 4th generation of these chips, and the rest of the machine is relatively consistent overall compared to the last few years across macbook pros, macbook airs and ipads. In addition to this, I believe Apple have a 14 day return/refund policy and consumer law (at least in AU), so overall, there is minimal risk on the consumer side.
Which model or upgrade will statisfy the following requirements? I have a 15-in 2018 with 2.9 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i9 and Radeon Pro 560X 4Gb Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB and 32 GB 2400 MHz DDR4 Ram with 1TB of storage.
I've been seriosuly considering upgrading finally, but my issue is my current M1 Pro 16-inch MBP. This thing has been an absolute beast, and still is....
These machines are so good now. I feel the only thing stopping people from buying them is just program and game availability. So many people I know want one but have to get a windows coz it has 1 game they want to play or a program that they need for work (like revitt) is only on windows.
It's a contradiction to say you don't need the M4 Pro but then proceed to list all the limits of the M4 Base. The real question is, do you need the "base" (14-Core) M4 Max with 32 GB of RAM, or is the M4 Pro with 48 GB the way to go for $400 less? That will be a popular question, so "Thanks!" in advance!
M4 Max with 32G seems weird. Who's the audience of that? If only there was a 64G version of M4 Pro... I went for the Max to get the extra 16G and be more future proof. They surely know how to set up the limits of models to push people to spend more for the more expensive variants. For most pros the 48G Pro will likely be good enough for the next 2y or so though and they'll feel like they got an excellent deal while still paying a serious amount of money.
for all the macbook users. How long does the batteries last on these things? Like life span of them without needing a replacement battery? also any advice about which one to get for video editing and music production would be great.
I got an intel mbp 16" in 2019, and used it every day since, the battery is down to 83% max charge now. I'll tell you in another 5 years how the M4 holds up 🤣
@@ottomanbeatsofficial yeah I got it for iPhone app dev to round out my work offering. Everything I used was either browser based or cross platform. Just gaming that is lost, but my switch is good enough for the amount of gaming I do these days. 30 years of windows was hard to say goodbye too. Mac is an undeniably slick system though I've had a great 5 years with it and wouldn't want to go back to windows any more.
Do you think the M4 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 16‑core GPU is good enough for photo editing (Adobe/Capture One) and Final Cut Pro or is there a significant performance boost with the 14-core CPU and 2--core GPU? It's another $265CDN for the 14-core.
Great Video! But I have got two small questions remaining: - Does it make sense to upgrade the ram to 48 to prepare for the future (I am planning to use the mac as long as possible - maybe 10 years) - Is thermo throttling a big problem for the M4Pro 14C on the 14 inch model? Thanks in advance!
I think it’s a waste to upgrade to 48gigs of memory, 24 will be good for years to come. I have seen UA-cam videos that show more memory is actually a hinderance. We don’t know if there are throttling issues until the machines come out and get tested.
@@Ottynetyou How is more ram bad?? The excess is just not used. Arguably the only bad thing about it is if you bought more than you use, then you just wasted a bit of money on nothing.
@@Dejf depends what you’re using it for, Lightroom says 16th is recommended from then for optimal performance yet Iv seen tests that it can use up to 20gb at a time, I just ordered one with 64Gb to cover my ass as I plan to have this for years (current laptop is 10+ yrs old) I’m a buy once cry ones guy, rather spend the extra now to cover my ass than in 3yers have to look into a new laptop because the new programs are using far more memory/gpu’s etc than I anticipated. But if you’re on a very strict budget I can understand the concern. I look at it this way. I’d rather be looking AT extra ram/gpu’s/Cpu’s than looking FOR them in the years to come
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@maxtechofficial if I have a massive Plex media server running on multiple external hard drives would you suggest the M4 pro 16 inch or the max 16 inch right now I’m using an M3 pro 14 core 512 GB 18 GB RAM machine for reference.
@@Chikec8why do you need to upgrade? The M3 Pro is still very fast.
@@HeangKoing because I have a massive Plex server
@@Chikec8 and your M3 Pro can’t handle it smoothly? If it’s choppy get more ram and the faster M4 Max. Try it out and see if it’s better. Very few people reviewers use plex as a benchmark.
Biggest issue is that the M1 was so damn good.
… is so damn good ☝🏼😂
Yep, and I got one with the touch bar back in July of this year. Love the machine!
That's not an issue, man... things should last years and years if you're paying thousands.
Still is damn good.
@@SkylerMills its an issue for apple as m1 owner won’t get a new mac for a long time. On the other hand it was necessary for the m1 macs to be stellar, else no one would have been interested to get one and ditch intel/x86 architecture.
I bought the base model. M4, 16GB Ram, 512 SSD. My old HP laptop has a 9th-gen i5. It’s my first new computer in almost 5 years. I’m more than happy with it.
Just ordered M4 Max with 64Gb, future proofing as I don’t upgrade every few years, my current laptop is 10+ years old and want this one to do the same
how much?
Same. My 2015 MacBook pro is finally having hardware problems and slow driving a single 4k display.
16 inch?
Same
Stupid move. For that money you could probably upgrade every other year to the cheapest entry level and benefit from all the newest innovations.
Ordered the 14" M4Pro, 48Gb ram, 2Tb ssd with Nano texture in Space Black! First time owning an Apple Macbook!
My first too! Coming from a Dell XPS 15. I went with the 14” M4 Pro 14/20, 48 Gb RAM and 1TB SSD. I went with the standard display as I was concerned about reduced contrast and detail clarity for photo editing with the matte finish.
Stuck to 1TB storage, but otherwise the same! So glad to have my purchase validated by this video. Enjoy!
Nice 👍 Enjoy your new Mac!
Just FYI I ordered the exact same configuration but in silver. I have a M1 Mac Air and the M4 Pro with 48 GB / 2TB seemed like a solid upgrade that will last 4-5 years.
@@foofighterdaz Same here.
most important tip:
dont do upgrades on the m4 base chip. just buy the base or upgrade to the m4 pro chips. because of the single fan
Why so? I am considering to buy Pro 14’ M4 16 gb ram and 1TB. There can be some problems?
@@МадиярНиязтай are you sure adding hundred dollars is worth it? tbh the base 512 GB are enough to install apps, you can still buy a cheap SD card to store photos and videos as there is a slot for that
@@adrien437What about for Future Mac updates?? Don’t those take up storage too? He can go with the 1TB storage if he wanted to
So a MacBook Pro 14“ 16gb 1tb isn’t a good choice ? (Base M4)
@@МадиярНиязтай no but id rather think strategically and would rather pay 500€ more and get the m4 pro which has double fan, and a lot better performance. than paying 200€ just for storage which you can also solve afterwards. but thats just me.
The external USB drive you're advertising is USB 3.2 gen2x2, which is NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY MAC AT 20Gbps! You'll be limited to 10gbps unless you pony up for a Thunderbolt/USB4 version.
Why there is a gen2x2 and what benefit it has comoare to thunderbolt and usb 4 and wjy apple dont want to supoort it?
@@NetvoTV You''d have to ask the USB consortium why they'd make a "USB 3.2 Gen2 2x2". Maybe they like 2s. It doesn't provide any benefit over USB4/Thunderbolt other than being cheaper/easier to implement. I only pointed it out because on Apple hardware you're better off with USB4/TB (faster) or just 10gbps USB 3.2 (cheaper and functionally identical).
Well if you need 64 GiB (or more) of RAM, you need the M4 Max. That's unfortunate, because many software developers do need lots of RAM and CPU cores, but wouldn't need the extra GPU cores or video decoding/encoding HW.
Good point. I’ve been looking at configurations and find that Max to unlock ram over 48gb annoying. Am I the only one who leaves a lot of chrome tabs open and still want to run other apps that need RAM? :)
48gb is plenty for the vast majority of software dev. If you need more than that you are doing something that would be better to do while SSH'd to a server. Either that or you need to convince your project manager to move off Teams. In that case, God help you
Such deliberate positioning by Apple, but happy with the higher Pro chip and 48Gb RAM. With the swap memory it'll be absolutely fine.
"many software developers"? Speak for yourself. Many of us don't need 64GB or more lol.
@ Haha, Teams. If 48 GiB works for you that's great. We're a 400+ people software company, with over 50% of developers using Macs (mostly MBPs), and 64 GiB 1 TB with as many cores CPU as possible is our default, only to be had with the Max chip. Some are thinking to go 128 GiB, as that's our default for Linux/Windows 16-Core Ryzen PCs, but because the upgrade price is outrageous I don't see that happening except for very few specific workloads.
still watching this with a 2018 intel mbp 13.
Mid 2015 15" here haha
Mine just died 🥲
M1 Air 😅
Time to upgrade
I upgraded earlier this year from a 2018 15” MBP to the baseline M3 Pro as a refurb from Apple. No regrets and while of course I love the new ones, not on my agenda to upgrade for several years
My 16" M1 Max with 64GB ram is still rocking just as good as the day I bought it. I think I can wait it out another year or two. M1s are just too freaking good.
Would definitely like to see a real world comparison to M1 Max vs M4 Pro though. Not just benchmarks.
Im gonna get m4 max 64gb for future proofing
@@VnojanI just did that exact thing, ordered M4 max 64Gb with 2Tb storage
@@Uisci81nice! Black or Silver? I got the 1TB, because i got the fastest small 2 TB SSD PORTABLE
Good luck selling m1max for any significant money in 2years. 🤡
@@Vnojanstop it right now!!!🤡
Future proofing is bullshit
Just cycle frequently
End of debate
Have you considered that the fact they raised the base to 16GB RAM across the board implies that Apple Intelligence is much more of a drag on the RAM at all times and thus increased RAM at all levels is necessary? and 16GB won't be "good enough" for everyone anymore
That’s what I was thinking! I’m very curious to see how much ram will be used and if it will equate as having 8gb of ram
Agreed. And they can't really test it now, because Apple is rolling out AI sequentially over the coming months...Apple goes in multiples of 8 GB, so 16 GB was next step. But does that mean that AI needs the full 8 GB or less? I am having the M2 with 16 GB and feel I need more (Xcode & Co). But 24 GB might not be enough due to AI ...
I'm going to deactivate this Apple intelligence, I don't need to make bunny emojis merged with cucumber and I don't want AI to summarize my emails to me, so I'll save memory 🤣
@@rezidtv honestly it's very overhyped. Cant see too many useful cases unless they completely make grammarly and github copilot obsolete to me
32 ram is min for heavy office multi-tasking.
Er, the Max has the option of going from 20 GPU cores to frigging 40 GPU cores. I’ve seen game benchmarks where that literally doubles the frame rate. No mention of high end gaming?
What do you recommend buying, a new m4 or a m3 pro with a discount?
if it's the m4 (non-pro) go for the m3 pro. it will have 18gb ram and an extra fan inside. also, on geekbench the m3 pro slightly outperforms the m4.
@@nasimahm3d Thanks for your advice
I’ll wait for the M7 because my M1 16GB 512 MacBook is still working fine with 94% battery life. OpenCore will push me to the M7.
Mine has reduced to 82% so that's why I am considering
Just use power adapter
i thought about to do the same but i broke the screen.. repair cost about 700-800$
Very sound advice. I hit the wall in a couple of apps with the M1 Pro and was ready to upgrade. I passed on the M2 and M3 versions. The M4 is a definite upgrade. I also went for the unbined version and upped the memory to 48g while I was at it. Something tells me that AI will be a big memory Hog as these apps develop and evolve. Far cheaper than the M4 Max and best bang for my buck. I will upgrade to the M4 studio whenever they come out from my M1 studio.
I hope to test the popular configurations in the future: M4 pro 14CPU + 48GB RAM + 1TB and M4 MAX 16CPU + 64GB RAM + 1TB. What will the battery life be like when M4 MAX turns on low power mode?❤❤❤❤
A lot of good information here. I pulled the trigger on my first Mac, an M4 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM, 1TB Storage, Space Black. The plan is to move my current PC Laptop contents over and effectively retire my PC laptop. This means saying goodbye to Windows (personal anyway, work gear has to be on PC) and changing my software choices for video editing. I might end up with Final Cut Pro on that score, though it doesn't look like it will be able to write to DVD or Blu-ray destinations.
Please compare base M3 Pro vs base M4. Base M3 Pro on Apple refurbished is currently same price as new base M4.
I would appreciate tests using “Paralles
Desktop” and running multiple operating systems at the same time. Will the internal bus speed make a difference?
Capacity is the much bigger deal there. That's where the 24GB in the base M4 Pro model will run circles around the 16GB in the base M4 version. Most VMs recommend no more than half the system's memory dedicated to the VM, so that's 8 GB vs 12 GB, and you're leaving your Mac a bit more RAM to work with to process Mac tasks while Windows is running.
@@TVsBen MacBook Pro max 64 gig and 2 tb. Let the fun begin. This will be a research and development machine. MocOs Win 11, Linux.
I purchased the M3 Pro MAX 48Gb upon release last year and that was a mistake. I needed more RAM but wanted it immediately. If you want to run LLMs with 70+ billion parameter LLMs, then you really need the 128 GB RAM. For that reason, I am purchasing the M4 Pro MAX 128 Gb with delivery expected 11/22.
I have M1 max MacBook Pro three years ago and it cuts through things like butter. I don’t think I would want to replace it for the next five years.
M4 Pro is sadly limited to 48GB on the Macbook pro, where as on the macmini, it does support 64GB... if you need the memory, you have to buy an M4 Max, and you are obliged to take the larger SSD and extra GPU's
Damn apple ! And... why no 10Gbs ethernet on the mini? I have 10Gbs from my swiss ISP, but the ethernet port on the mini can't cope with it.
Would love to see what the M4 Max can do in the 14" chassis compared to a 14 inch M4 Pro.
Am also interested in seeing the performance in "low power mode" compared to older models without low power mode turned on. This imo is where it will excel as a travel editing workstation, being able to do long bus or plane journeys without eating the battery but having great performance.
Apple averages 6.6years active support and updates 8.5 years after release. Is this expected to continue or change with Apple based Macs?
This is utterly confusing. I suggest you drop the ‘don’t think that you’ and just state the freaking facts man! 😂
M4 pro 14cpu 20gpu with 24Gb of ram is absolutely the sweet spot.
I'm tempted to upgrade, problem is my M2 pro 16" is still running great. 😂
I think a trade in for this year’s gen is awesome… longevity wise.
Port generation is up to date… ram upgrade ( unless yours is 16gb n above! )
I would wait for those with oled displays
@@vasilisvita when you know about pixel burning on OLED displays you really don't want that kind of panel for static content
@@kelvinlau09 I have a 2017 MacBook Pro, back then it was £1,400. I’m due an upgrade, so do I go for the base MB Pro 14,20,24 with 512 SSD? Is that enough for me?
Lots of chrome tabs, streaming movies and series that kind of stuff
@@darktemptation3931 M4 MacBook Pro base model is more than enough for what u do as u mentioned. But for future proof I'd go for M4 pro for the thunderbolt 5 alone.
I ended up ordering a M3 Pro 14" model refurbished for a bit cheaper and very excited to get it! Hoping the extra GPU cores and extra fan will make a difference vs the base M4 MacBook Pro. So excited, should be coming later this week! I'm coming from the M1 Air, especially excited for that amazing mini-LED 120Hz display! Plus I'll actually be able to really play some games on it!
I'm a musician and eventually want to use it for live performances with minimal latency. I'm on the fence because on one hand the M4 may well suffice for the task, but on another hand apps that are used for real-time audio like Live Ableton apparently don't do much with efficiency cores at all because they aren't really well fitted for the task. So a 4/6 p-core/e-core ratio feels like ass for that purpose, while 8/4 ratio of the M4 pro seems to make a lot more sense. What do you guys think?
Good question, I’m interested in how low I can set my audio buffers when running MIDI Guitar 2 and the new version 3. My current PC can only go down to 128 without chopping up the audio.
I am a programmer. M1 MacBook Air 8gb quite enough for me for all my work
Ain't that a shame, if I got my I-pad pro m-4 13"1tb and the 2 magic things before I bought launch nov 20, 2020 of M1 I'd have to trade in the M-4 i-pad pro for my 8/8 gpu 16gb 1 tb MacBook (G) Air. 🤣
what about battery health? thats the biggest thing I'm really worrying about rn
I am such a bad dev using 40 GB RAM on average... 😢
The one big issue for buying a lot of SSD storage is that some tools will not work with external connected drives. For instance I have a very large Microsoft One Drive for business. One Drive does not work with external drives. Dropbox and many others do, but not good old Microsoft. That dictates a large SSD for me. Combined with the inconvenience of having an external drive for lots of video to lug around. Everything else you provided was good advice but SSD size has to be carefully considered. Yep Apple is charging too much.. but that is the way it is.
If getting base m4 chip, might as well wait for Mac air. Cheaper, Lighter, screen size is perfect, for me at least, at 15 inch. Fanless. You will lose out on a few pro features like 120hz and mini led etc
Screen is nowhere near as nice, speakers not as nice and missing ports.
Disagree with the storage upgrade advice. I got 4tb on my first 2019 mbp and will get it again this time. It is expensive but im already spending a ton.
I did some math and keeping it for 4 or 5 years, the sub for the equiv worth of cloud storage will come close to the cost of the hardware and be way more convenient.
And plugging a wire in for an external drive is sounding like a usability nightmare.
I use an M2 air base for everyday stuff, and an older 2021 M1 Pro and really only use it for music production. Both laptops are still running just as good as the day I bought them.
Already ordered a M4 max, do i need the max? According to this video probably not but have the money and I call it future proofing. I’ve always brought the best i can afford and it’s served me well so far so i see no reason to stop.
what do you plan on using it for?
I’m a videographer going from a 2017 Intel-based MacBook Air (8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, basically all base specs) and I just pre-ordered the M4 Pro (12 core CPU, 16 core GPU, 24GB RAM, 512GB SSD MacBook Pro.
Should I cancel it and get the 14 core CPU and 20 core GPU as he mentioned here at 7:30? I don't think I would NEED it for sure, but it might be nice to have
Dont do it. This is a hypothesis he made and historically for all other M series, the chip upgrade barely made any difference at all in terms of performance as shown in tests. RAM upgrade is way more influential
@ I appreciate your response, thank you! If the M4 Pro came with 18gb as the base option still, I would’ve 100% upgraded to 36 or so. But 24GB is really good already and overall, definitely worth the change from a 2017 intel maxed MacBook Air with the lowest specs possible
Good video Max
Should I buy the M4 Mac mini / M4 MacBook Pro with the configuration of m4 pro base chip, 24gb ram, 1tb ssd? I need it for video editing for yt channel, photo editing for photography, programming python and java script apps, web browsing and media consumption. I want to upgrade from my old windows gaming pc from 2018 which has i7 8700 and gtx 1050 ti, and I’m willing to upgrade it and move to my first Mac.
Turn the windows PC into a multi TB NAS running Turnkey File Server, and get as close to a stock Mac mini if you want to reuse the monitor. For $300, you could get a RAID1 4TB setup that should be enough for video editing uses if you use the higher quality WD or Toshiba drives. Given the age of the hardware, you could also augment that by spending $30 for a pile of used Optane drives that you could RAID0 together as a SLOG, assuming you are using ZFS.
The Pro is always the sweet spot and a beast of a chip and this year’s M4 is a big jump exceeding the M3 Max and M2 Ultra CPU power while has better graphics than the M1 Max and even the M2 Max in certain areas (Shaders, Ray tracing and faster cores, etc).
Base config is good and very big step up than your old gaming PC, even the M4 is a big step.
For YT, video editing, graphics and coding it’s perfect and has plenty of power to chew all that for many years.
There’s a rule: always get the most RAM that you can afford for graphics intensive apps and future proofing, but honestly, 24GB is more than enough for your use case. After effects need more and audio editing with tons of tracks can benefit from more, AI and LLM training as well.
The 24GB will keep you happy for 5-6 years at least.
512GB is the least but 1TB is better, anything higher you need should be through Thunderbolt enclosure + fast NVME SSD, dont pay the upgrade high tax, dont fall for it.
That’s from my experience as a SW engineer who worked in graphics and TV production, game design and programming, switched to Mac since 2011, religiously while still use windows and runs dockers and Linux servers and a big home lab.
My 14” M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16c CPU, 16c GPU with 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD is still super fast and chews everything. (3D design and After Effects work better with more RAM so it’s the weak point here). I will only upgrade for the M4 Studio with M4 Ultra to double the encoders and Neural Engine cores with 48-64 RAM just to decrease the time for AI video enhancements and transcoding tasks I do on the side.
Good luck and enjoy your new M4 Pro beast for many years to come. Cheers mate.
@@Demopans5990 Ok, thanks! But I don’t know about nas servers too lol
@@fmax3000 Ok, thank you very much for the detailed answer!
Which one should I buy btw? Mac Mini or MacBok Pro with those same mentioned specs of base cores m4 pro chip and 24gb ram and 1tb ssd? I want mainly for desktop machine.
Debating between Mac mini as a desktop machine and m3 15” MacBook Air 16gb ram 512gb ssd for university and portability only, or buy only the MacBook Pro for both use cases (desktop and university with portability)?
@@oren_katz
I have a very similar setup personally. A 8700 is still good enough to run a file server of this scale. And most importantly, it keeps perfectly useable components out of the trash
In another video, you strongly recommend against upgrading to 14 cores 😅-now I’m a bit lost!
I’m still debating whether the cost of upgrading from 24GB to 48GB of memory on the 16-inch model with 1TB storage is worth it.
Does Apple still have slow ssd problems for 256 vs 512 vs 1TB?
For me the best combo seems to be a Mac Mini or Mac Studio with an iPad Pro since I do a lot of sketching and need the Pencil Pro and do my main video and photo editing on desktop. A laptop is kind of in the middle not fulfilling completely either use for me. I will still try to wait until maybe 2026 when maybe Apple will finally upgrade the iPad Pro to where it is a complete laptop replacement. Apple seems to be going to a 5-year cycle with their products so I will too.
Is it worth upgrading memory from 48GB to 64GB on the M4 Max?
Worth upgrading to M4 base from M2 MacBook Air? I’m doing more 360 editing.
Which one is good for computer science and coding and a good investment for another 4 years?
I'm in the same boat, m4 pro with 48gb
Question: for me the most important thing is an absolut quiet MacBook (Music production). You were mentioning, that the 16 inch MacBook has bigger fans. Do you expect, that a 16 inch MacBook Pro with the pro chip (not the Max chip) would be cooler and quieter due to the bigger fans than a 14 inch MacBook?
I’m upgrading from MacBook Pro, 15-inch, Mid 2014.
Have chosen the following specs:
- MacBook Pro - 16-inch - Silver
- 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display
- Standard display
- Apple M4 Pro chip with 14‑core CPU, 20‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
- 24GB unified memory
- 1TB SSD storage
Are you me?
I got this but with 48gb memory
I'm doing the same but torn on whether to upgrade the memory
How’s the upgrade? I have a 2017 model and need an upgrade. Don’t know if it’s worth getting the 1TB SSD over 512 and then also bumping up the RAM to 48 since 36 isn’t an option.
@@darktemptation3931 Working great. So far with the workloads of my workflows it never used swap. I have 24GB. I think that 1TB upgrade is worth the investment, but it depends how you plan to use it.
Is the base m4 macbook pro
Enough for 4k video editing with stuttering on play back ?
Watching this on my 15' MBP mid-2014 i7 16gb 512gb.. I just love it, I do video and photo editing and it works great, but it's time to upgrade as I want to try some new programs that won't run on Big Sur.. Guess I'll be buying a 16' M4 Pro 24gb 1tb! Thanks for this video 🙌🏻
I am discomforted that ram amounts are no longer related to bass 2 numbers
I don’t get how the takeaway is that the base model is fine if you couldn’t run over 15 fps in davinci. To me that means one computer works at real time editing and the other simply doesn’t. I also think a lot of this export stuff is cpu heavy, not gpu heavy, even when dealing w video/photos
Thank you for your recommendation. Really helpful. I will go with the m4 pro.
Just upgraded from the M1 macbook pro to the base M4 MacBook pro. Excited to see the difference.
Please can u say same m4 macbook pro with 512gb is enough for video editing?
@@DanielPvb4 how’s the upgrade? Does it handle everything you throw at it?
@ Battery and cpu power is night and day. It’s been handling Ableton, Affinity designer and multiple multitasking apps and chrome like a breeze! Great upgrade. The only thing is the base 16gb of ram does seem to be too little. Seen a good amount of memory swapping.
@@DanielPvb4 I thought it’s 24GB of Ram as base?
@ I think the M4 Pro cpu is but the base M4 MacBook Pro is 16
I went with M4 Pro base model because you can use the compact 70w charger but if I go with the M4 Pro higher core it only gives 96w big charger brick.
As a traveler I think it’s best for the 70w brick, do you think I’m making the right decision or should I buy the 70w separately and get M4 pro higher core cpu?
I am not sure if this will hold for the M4 series but historically from comparison videos i've seen upgrading the chip is the least needed upgrade and makes barely any difference at all.
@ he mentioned that we get 2 more performance cores in the upgrade but I don’t see how it will benefit much from the already fast 10 performance cores (but only on geekbench will the difference be seen)
you can still charge with the smaller brick, it will just be a bit slower
I plan on using it for Blender and Unity for Dev and animation. Which would you recommend ?
Im over here chilling and living the dream with my M3 Pro MacBook Pro, is it really worth an incrimental upgrade?
I’m debating if I should just get a Mac mini ? , I don’t intend to move around with it, what would I need to go with it ?
I just bought the 512GB base M4. Is it worth returning to get the 1TB or not? I see I could just get a SSD
What about re-sell ability? I opt'd for the M4 Pro 14c/20c/24GB/1TB not because I do anything that needs it, but I feel like it would be easier to resell down the road.
Before watching your video I'm thinking of getting a MacBook Pro with an M4 pro chip (base variant)....and now I'm thinking of upgrading the M4 pro chip to
(14-core CPU/20-core GPU)
But my question is I will not be upgrading the SSD from 512GB to 1TB will it be a hindrance to its performance capabilities
Note : - I don't know my workload I just need a device that can do anything that I throw at it.
I'm new to Apple/Mac devices this is going to be my very first Apple/Mac device or product
If you need the storage, turn your old machine into a file server. Install Turnkey File Server or something, and take advantage of very cheap SSD pricing
I ordered it with M4 Pro Chip base variant. The problem is that once you upgrade to higher tier, you'll start thinking of the next tier. Don't overthink it. You probably won't notice the difference at all. For that money, you can buy some Mac accessories.
@@TeodorPetrovic7 Same here.. Exactly what im going through. I got the m4 pro chip base varient too and seeing everyone say to get the "upgraded" one... But im mainly using it for pen testing/coding/ having a few VM's so i dont really need the extra gpu cores
@@TeodorPetrovic7 Thanks for the reply it helped alot 😊
@@Pearlescentx-_- yeah it's classic, don't even bother about videos and reviews. Enjoy the product you bought, it's an exceptional machine.
Will there be a performance difference in buying a 14inch vs 16inch MacBook pro M4 Pro chip?
I ordered a M4 base model with 16 gb of ram and 512 gb of storage.
Now i‘m not sure if i should return it and get the M4 Pro base model ?
For the price, No WiFi 7, no tandem OLED, and no Face ID. I’ll wait but I’ll also watch the videos
The price really isn’t bad considering the competition. Probably by the time they add those things it’ll be more expensive. I’m surprised they didn’t raise prices this year
Between macbook pro m4 ram24 1tb and macbook pro m4 pro ram 24 1tb? Studying in software engineer and will pick AI specialized path too.
Finally took the decision to upgrade from the 2015 MacBook Pro 🤣🤘
Same here 😄
@@InstaKane ditto!! 2014 MBP!
3 weeks on and I got the base MacBook Pro 14” it’s a beast delighted.
What I really need to know is with the m4 max will 48 gb of ram be enough and at what point is it not enough. Im upgrading from an imac pro so want to make sure i have enough ram.
My 2021 MBP M1PRO witg 1TB has 7000 MB/s read and 5200 MB/s write speeds in Black Magic Disk Speed. So its actually faster than this generation?
I’m getting the M4 Pro 14c. Is there any difference in the 512gb ssd speeds vs 1TB?
Finally a reason to upgrade from my M1 Max MBP with the fully spec'd chip and 32gb memory. I went with a 16" M4 Max (16" purely because of heat and throttling - unfortunately), and 128gb memory and the fully spec'd chip. I think this thing is going to fly. Nothing in between made sense for me to upgrade my M1 Max though... so I'm happy to upgrade this year.
how many ssd did you get
@ I maxed it out with 8tb. I still have a number of NVME RAID enclosures daisy chained via Thunderbolt 3 on top of that too. I have so much data in high res photo/video it’s ridiculous.
Other than the monitor and keyboard what is the difference between the M4 and the New Mac mini ?
I have a 2015 (Intel) 15" MBP that's having problems. The battery (its second) is way up on its cycles and way down on capacity. Besides that, the battery has swollen and warped the case. Trackpad has been acting up and shuts down occasionally. Time for a new one. Your video has helped me decide: MBP M4 Pro 1 TB 14 Core CPU/20 Core GPU; 24 GB RAM
I'm using a 2015 (purchased in 2017) Macbook Pro 16 inch. The battery is now bulging. I phoned Apple and they wouldn't give me a straight answer about what the risk is of it exploding. I'm buying a new one as fast as I can. Can anyone inform me about the risk of explosion? Thanks
Last time I had a Mac, it was an old 2011 iMac I used until around 2017-ish. I've been thinking about a Mac since they switched to their own silicon, it may be the time.
Went with a specced out MAX cause I want to keep this thing for the long haul. Owned my last pro for more than a decade, and I'd like to do the same with this. I edit 8K video, so the more horsepower the better. Did opt for jus the 2TB HDD cause Thunderbolt 5 is going to be blazing fast, plus, as a filmmaker, it makes sense to relegate different projects to different SSDs.
Just did the same thing, future proofing
Creative Professional who blew a bag on a M1 Max in 2021 and it's still throwing punches at everything I throw at it.
4k video editing, graphic intensive work !
Save some money buy a previous version M series laptop unless you absolutely need this new shiny machine.
It is a good thing though that Apple Chips are getting better and better.
Worst advice ever. The jump between m3 and m4 is huge. You actually wouldn't save money.
M1 and M2 machines are way overvalued (at least in UK/EU). We're talking 3 to 4-year-old machines with mileage to match, soldered-on storage and hard-to-replace battery. Scrapping all 8GB models obviously, as they were meant to be the e-waste they are, those that were upgraded to 16-32GB or RAM are hard to come by, and they tend to cost 65% of the new M4 models. Example: street price for an M1 Pro 14-inch with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD is £1500, its new equivalent is £2500. In other words, you lose 3 years of useful life (probably its best life too) for a 35% discount. The right price for used M1 macs now should be £400 for base M1 and £600-700 at most for Pros. We're nearly a grand out of whack.
Sadly, the fact that new PC laptops are also overpriced sh*t doesn't help.
@@user-iq334
Depends on how much you value time. Businesses buy absurdly expensive workstations based on the h100 because that thing just crunches through numbers like nothing else, so for any sort of R&D work, that high price tag is well worth the time saved.
@@BrownGuyMadeIT good to know then my M4 Max will have zero issues for years to come with the photo and small 8k video editing I’ll be doing
Just got the M4 Max 16inch w/ 40core GPU, 64 GB, 1TB. Switching back to an Apple product after 10 yrs.
What about the 12 vs 14 core M4 pro?
Max tech hasn't made any video of Snapdragon 8 elite
U know why 8elite literally discriminates , obliterates and smokes out black the A18 pro
"The latest so called best chip in world" because max is an apple fan boy and he don't want to accept the fact that android is in wholly other league of performance compared to shitty iphone.
What do you recommend for a wedding videographer who will need to edit videos on a daily basis? M4 or Pro?
Still on a M1 Max, I upgraded and future proofed It and it literally works so well I don't need to upgrade. I am def gonna hold out for the M5 before deciding to upgrade.. as much as I want the black color way.
sticking with my m1 air, thanks
smart decision, well I have all the necessaries (G) unbinned 8/8gpu 16 gb 1 tb. but I'd probably take a base with all the mess since m-2 and what I mostly do. always keeping a tight grip on it but probably get a MacBook I-pad combo full touch screen 18" foldable even if its not the most powerful. Cause all you need is a M-chip. I like it better than my 13" m-4 I-pad pro 1tb even. W/both magic things and this cost $1,000 more, maybe the 5 watts thing? don't know but it's the best thing I've ever bought, the M1 air. Have a 15 PM too.
Does getting the unbinned M4 Pro mean your battery life would be worse than the binned M4 Pro with regular lightweight activities like surfing the web and watching videos?
I just purchased the 14" binned m4 max, how much I F'd up?
I’m planning to buy the m4 max in 14” as well because portability is important for me. I’m confused after watching this video though. I’m gonna be using it for 3d modelling and rendering mostly. Hope the difference is not noticeable.
What about the slow ssd speed when getting the base 512gb ssd on a MacBook Pro ? Isn't it a must upgrading to 1TB ?
Thanks for the info! I’m still using my 2016 MacBook Pro. I’d still be using it if I didn’t accident break the screen and basically have to replace the whole thing while moving 😅
Do you guys think 24 GB of RAM is enough for the 14" M4 Pro 14 core model? I am a CS student and we do a lot of Unity or blender soon or should I rather go with 48 gb of RAM
Should I wait for MacBook Air M4 or just buy the newly upgraded ram MacBook Air M3?
Hey should i get base mbp 14 m4 or base mbp 16 m3 pro 2023? What are the positives and negatives
I do not like the idea that this guy gives recommendations on the devices that haven't been shipped yet. Who knows, maybe they have issues with cooling, maybe M4 is too unstable or faulty, maybe the screen hinges are too weak. I know Apple strives for the highest quality, but they had unpleasant f-ups in the past
I know, Apple Silicon is a known entity and so is the 3nm lithography process. Mac Mini is the only form factor upgrade and its cooling is more than adequate, considering the same chip is running without a fan in the iPad Pro.
@@jansix4287 It seems like it for sure. I plan on buying mac mini on m4 pro as well
I would agree with you for the most part if Apple was releasing a significant upgrade like the jump of a new chip such as intel to silicon, however, this is the 4th generation of these chips, and the rest of the machine is relatively consistent overall compared to the last few years across macbook pros, macbook airs and ipads. In addition to this, I believe Apple have a 14 day return/refund policy and consumer law (at least in AU), so overall, there is minimal risk on the consumer side.
For the m4 pro what do you recommend the 14 inch display or the 16?
Which model or upgrade will statisfy the following requirements?
I have a 15-in 2018 with 2.9 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i9 and Radeon Pro 560X 4Gb Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB and 32 GB 2400 MHz DDR4 Ram with 1TB of storage.
Thank you for the awesome review! For someone who hasn’t gotten a new MacBook since 2012 this was super helpful lol
I've been seriosuly considering upgrading finally, but my issue is my current M1 Pro 16-inch MBP. This thing has been an absolute beast, and still is....
What do you think about this: should we have option for macbook pro 16" with base m4 and OLED display? Battery life meets amazing display
These machines are so good now. I feel the only thing stopping people from buying them is just program and game availability.
So many people I know want one but have to get a windows coz it has 1 game they want to play or a program that they need for work (like revitt) is only on windows.
Worth just getting a m2 MBP? It'll be cheaper for sure and pretty close to specs? On a budget.
It's a contradiction to say you don't need the M4 Pro but then proceed to list all the limits of the M4 Base. The real question is, do you need the "base" (14-Core) M4 Max with 32 GB of RAM, or is the M4 Pro with 48 GB the way to go for $400 less? That will be a popular question, so "Thanks!" in advance!
M4 Max with 32G seems weird. Who's the audience of that?
If only there was a 64G version of M4 Pro... I went for the Max to get the extra 16G and be more future proof. They surely know how to set up the limits of models to push people to spend more for the more expensive variants. For most pros the 48G Pro will likely be good enough for the next 2y or so though and they'll feel like they got an excellent deal while still paying a serious amount of money.
for all the macbook users. How long does the batteries last on these things? Like life span of them without needing a replacement battery? also any advice about which one to get for video editing and music production would be great.
I got an intel mbp 16" in 2019, and used it every day since, the battery is down to 83% max charge now. I'll tell you in another 5 years how the M4 holds up 🤣
@ lmao m4 chip and battery life is the only reason im considering a mac laptop. When my asus laptop goes to shit ofcource.
@@ottomanbeatsofficial yeah I got it for iPhone app dev to round out my work offering. Everything I used was either browser based or cross platform. Just gaming that is lost, but my switch is good enough for the amount of gaming I do these days. 30 years of windows was hard to say goodbye too. Mac is an undeniably slick system though I've had a great 5 years with it and wouldn't want to go back to windows any more.
Wait so is it bad to have the m4 pro in the 14 inch because of what you said? Should I have gone with the 16 inch?
Do you think the M4 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 16‑core GPU is good enough for photo editing (Adobe/Capture One) and Final Cut Pro or is there a significant performance boost with the 14-core CPU and 2--core GPU? It's another $265CDN for the 14-core.
Do you think m4 is good for vfx or I need to get m4 pro or m4 max ??
Should I get brand new 16 inch M3 max 36gb/1tb or 16 inch M4 pro 48gb/512gb. M3 max is 100$ cheaper in my country.
Great Video!
But I have got two small questions remaining:
- Does it make sense to upgrade the ram to 48 to prepare for the future (I am planning to use the mac as long as possible - maybe 10 years)
- Is thermo throttling a big problem for the M4Pro 14C on the 14 inch model?
Thanks in advance!
I think it’s a waste to upgrade to 48gigs of memory, 24 will be good for years to come. I have seen UA-cam videos that show more memory is actually a hinderance.
We don’t know if there are throttling issues until the machines come out and get tested.
@@Ottynetyou How is more ram bad?? The excess is just not used. Arguably the only bad thing about it is if you bought more than you use, then you just wasted a bit of money on nothing.
@@Dejf depends what you’re using it for, Lightroom says 16th is recommended from then for optimal performance yet Iv seen tests that it can use up to 20gb at a time, I just ordered one with 64Gb to cover my ass as I plan to have this for years (current laptop is 10+ yrs old) I’m a buy once cry ones guy, rather spend the extra now to cover my ass than in 3yers have to look into a new laptop because the new programs are using far more memory/gpu’s etc than I anticipated. But if you’re on a very strict budget I can understand the concern. I look at it this way. I’d rather be looking AT extra ram/gpu’s/Cpu’s than looking FOR them in the years to come
@@oh-noeis it worth $400 to get to 48? That’s the question that the OP needs to answer
@@Ottynetyou I mean that depends a lot on what he works on. I just want to know how more ram can be a hindrance...