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On advantage of a Swedish torch is that you pick your fire up and move it. There's rarely any reason to do that though. Also, a Swedish torch is way easier to make with an axe than batoning a knife. If you do use a Swedish torch, because you intend to move your fire, don't spit the inside corners of the log pieces all the way to the bottom end. You'll drop coals out of it and potentially start an unintentional fire.

I will stick with my Bahco. It has been with me for many years and I have no complaints. Use an orange or yellow paracord lanyard. No need for a Silky that may break. Good video.

I do agree 100% raise your statement on the use of neck knives and if you are concerned about beans strangled you can add a quick release option to it. Besides if you look at it or not tactical situation it is more practical and useful in the neck.

In the old growth rain forests of the PNW, where I loved to hunt Roosevelt Elk in my younger years, one wouldn't need to shuck their coat to use as cover over dry tinder and kindling thanks to a plentiful supply of huge downed logs from which large slabs of bark could be pried by hand. That said, it is still exceedingly difficult to start and maintain a warming fire for overnight survival during heavy and prolonged rainy periods. A hunter pursuing an elk track on the Olympic Peninsula until shooting light fails is wise to choose a more reliable strategy to sustain themselves through an 11-hour to 14-hour night (depending upon which season they are hunting). I settled upon packing a bivi bag, a lightweight sleeping bag*, an Optimus 99 white gas stove whose top cover doubled as a cooking pot, and a small clutch of food and hot-drink mixes**. * It weighed about 2# and was actually an "over bag" designed to add extra top insulation to a regular mummy sack. The bottom, intended as a sleeve for a backpacking mattress, had no insulation. I did not carry a mattress though, as the rainforest had ample foliage in the understory to pluck for that purpose. ** Somewhere around 2 or 3 AM, when waking chilled, a hot drink and a snack such as a Snicker's Bar (providing both carbohydrate calories and fat) warms the body core enough to make a few more hours of sleep reasonably comfortable.

I never ever heard of "batoning" (with knives) before seeing knife videos over the past year or so. And every time it struck me as an insane misuse of a good knife no matter what price point. "Just use an axe!" I wanted to yell at the screen. It's not merely that they clearly spend more energy trying to do with a knife what they should be doing with a better tool for the job, than it would have taken to just carry that axe with them (if they had actually gone outside their back yard) and do the job properly, but you're not going to survive for long, if you risk your best, most valuable (for survival) tools on something that will wear them unnecessarily, even break them, like that, let alone the increased risk of injury when doing rapid forceful motions involving inhomogenous materials close to a sharp edge. Sure, a really good big heavy knife is very unlikely to actually break, but why take the chance? Also it's going to be big and heavy.

There’s no chance of finding anything dry , even the air is wet . Right first thing we need to do is find a dead tree that’s reasonably dry🤔

How much fat wood bib you walk past

You should park next to a lake next time to see you unload it in to the water. I’m sure you could had pulled up and not have to unload the bike in a giant ass mud puddle lmao

I really don’t care mr Dave cantberry. He’s an a$$ I have my reasons ask Shawn or Jake that use to work for him

My Silky Pocketboy Outback Edition had the screw come loose mid way through a branch by the river. I could not find the screw and had to order a screw set from Silky. It’s not inexpensive with shipping costs. While waiting, I ordered the yellow F180 with fine teeth. That’s become a favorite, even with the medium toothed Pocketboy is functional again. I found simple nylon sheaths for both saws. Remember to check your screw tightness after every use or two! I carry a Victorinox Pioneer X Alox or Ranger… both can easily tighten the screw. Thanks for your Silky thoughts.

Silky's cut fast but if you have one saw to rely on it's hard to break a Bahco.

As a guy with dozens of knives I find my Buck 110 will do anything I need it to do. I also keep a SAK 'Hunter' in my pocket always., it's the tool I would bet my life on.

Backup Bic with duct tape wrap on the head. PS If you are so clumsy you keep falling in creeks in freezing weather, you probably won't survive anyway, regardless of how you start fires. Also, I had no problem with a Bic on Mount Whitney several times, at 14,505 feet.

That is fine for up there in Yankee land, but here in the South, gators have developed a taste for beer too. In heavily traveled areas, the alligators will munch the can and steak\l the beer. That's a fact ! ! !

You should let the flames get higher than the fuel before adding more fuel. You'll smother it.

I have a practice I call the one stick fire. I make a fire using only one piece of wood that I process to the various forms I need to make a fire. It's practice and a way to test the tool.

I think you're hilarious and im glad i found your channel but i am worried the baton and ferro rod boys are gonna get ya!!!😂

batoning wood with youre knife or spliting wood with a axe is a useful skill to have and you may need it . same goes for feather sticks

If bic lighter haters could make a bic lighter out of sticks and paracord they would be telling us all how amazing of a device it is!! 😅😅😅.

Iv had one empty itself in my pack but not a problem beacuse its got a flint and steel. Only other problems with them are if the get wet you need to know the tricks to start it and if your hands are freezing cold its hard to flick.

this dude is the man. i never thought before of lighting the dry thin spruce bunch directly. i always bring paper to light it. gonna try it out next time

Right Spot on as usual I see Greg, loving the Ch. Pal. Mike,

Okay Mr. Literal, talk about sucking the fun out of the outdoors. Need vs Want, bla, bla, bla, fire would be nice but is it needed to survive? Much like your tools, do you need them, No. I’m still here because I was taught as a kid to always dress for your environment. The few survival situations I’ve been in the last 50 years were because of injuries to were I could barely move. My knowledge and gear was mostly useless. Want to survive? Be wise enough to not put yourself in stupid situations (as I did) and if the unthinkable happens, have enough clothing and/or shelter to evade the elements. I would recommend a decent first aid kit with some good pain meds. and a way to fend-off wild animals. One man’s prospective...FWTW.

I like to know that my knife is capable of doing battoning, I don't actually do it for a need but for fun. The thing is that what I need to build a fire is a ferrord/lighter/matches .... especially if the wood is wet. I am not good with traditional manners of lighting a fire oit of 2 sticks so I make sure to have some kind of ignition device 😅 that's all

Any fire making tool that can make a trip through the washer and dryer and work just fine after the fact is reliable enough, in my opinion.

I think that a hard piece of industrial plastic tray. Like a snow machine cargo sled would work better more space less weight that door .slides right in . To keep it from leaning on the side and making a mess use a hard stepping stool .to keep up inside . Lash it up with rope to keep it from sliding around in the vehicle.

Bic lighters weigh nothing. Keep one in pocket and a couple in pack or kit for backup. As for those ferro rods, the larger the better. Small ferro rods suck for my hands that dont work in cold.

I use CRKT D2 steel foldable knife. I carry it in my pants pocket , clipping it to the pants (knife inside). And I always have a piece of rope with carabins on both sides (for multiple reasons), so if I'm afraid to loose my knife I attach one carabin to the knife, other to my belt loop. One hand deployment. But I see nothing wrong in having it around your neck, because like this it's harder to loose a knife, harder to forget, easier to put back. And ... And I don't understand why people have huge knifes? ... They are heavy , more time to sharpen, harder to carve the wood with them.

I like your channel very knowledgeable Im in Nova Scotia as well. I like neck knives and belt knives However It seems as though you seem offended by Daves opinion on neck knives because it's not the same Mors' opinion? I dont wear hoodies cause the hoods knock off my hat when I look up. Im not sure if it really matters that much.

If you have a good knife with hard steel, and bigger angle of sharp edge, you will open it like plastic. In a 4-5 smooth long cuts in a circle, cutting edge downwards. But if your knife is not as good , then this video will save your time (faster to open, less sharpening afterwards). 👍

Why not a foldable bow-saw (modern, or diy old school made from branches with a string? ) More compact, proper blades with heat hardened saw teeth, you can have many blades for little money. Interesting topic.

I always bring a small candle. Great fire starter.

There is nothing to burn above tree line. But, the striker still works. If one knows how to build a fire, the striker is fine.😅

Right on. Even out of fuel, a great tool. And with a back up? Invincible.

If you have woods without dead dry trees, You can collect dry very thin (5mm) vertical branches (bush or tree) that are still on the tree, scrab the wet bark off , then split them into "matches"(wooden chips), then you make thin wood curles from the same material. You light up curles , add "matches" and then add bigger dead branches as they are. And if you have pine trees or auchz you can take the bark off, and inner side will be dry, so you scrub it with a knife to make dry wood powder , and little sticks (only from inner side), most likely it will contain some resin in it too. If you combine these 2 methods, and the method from this video, you would be able to make a fire in any rainy wet forest. And about batoning your knife into the sawed logs to get dry sticks... Easier to brake off dead branches from a tree (not from the ground) , and take off wet outer layer with a knife... And you'll get same result faster without sawing

Hey I love when a review or demonstration video talks about a knife's ability to baton; it lets me know to click away from the video because that person is an idiot that has apparently never heard of this newfangled invention called an "axe".

i personally use US BDU pattern trousers. propper sells and used to produce the US mil's BDUs. they sell them in both synthetic blends as well as 100 percent cotton ripstop (which i use). love that they're high rise. they also have ties on the hem, helps with little critters that might crawl up your leg.

If you dip your matches in melted candle wax - waterproofs them and the wood part then also acts like a candle

This should make a bunch of novices start forest fires.

Electric or flint bic lighter? Which is best for backpacking?

I my Ferro rod has problems often it's the physical which has acquired ridges . Smoothing out the ridges usually does the trick.

The more you know, the less you need to

This is how I build a fire. Learned from experience. There are some really good clues in this video on how a fire works. Listen to the advice, watch, and practice a lot.

This is a unique approach to firemaking in wet conditions. Thanks

I think a lot of the conflict both within the bushcraft community and also between the bushcraft community and other outdoor recreation styles comes down to the fact that bushcraft is ALWAYS an interaction between technology and the natural environment. If you make a loin cloth out of leaves, knap some flint to get a cutting tool, or make some cordage out of vines you have, then you are using technology. Who doesn't use technology? Most animals. Bears and wolves have fur and claws. We have our brains and thumbs. The friction pops up because bushcraft covers such a long span of human history that it's very difficult for people to agree on where to draw the line with how advanced the technology is that we should choose to use. It's not the same as recreating the life of a civil war soldier or a 14th century nobleman. I love some aspects of bushcraft and other things I don't care for (making spoons aren't my jam). The thing I always try to keep in mind is that outdoorsmen of the past always have used the best kit they could get their hands on. It's only retroactively that these things seem primitive and make us feel like we're "roughing it". I'm grateful that we all have a desire to retain the knowledge from previous generations and how to survive in the woods, but it's worth considering what will you actually do if your goal is to survive, and the skill you're using is a byproduct rather than practicing the skill being the goal and the survival is the byproduct. A knife is a poor substitute for an axe, %100. I'm partial to folding saws. You make excellent points both in this video and your bic lighter video. I think it's wonderful that people are keeping these skills alive, but everytime I go out I stack the deck in my favor to make it as unlikely as possible that I'll actually need to use something like flint and steel, or even need a fire in the first place.

I only had one scenario where a bic didn't work and I STILL don't blame the bic. I foolishly only brought that singular bic because I didn't think about the fact that my companions didn't have their own fire starting options to act as a redundancy to mine. Much of the gear I had which I thought was waterproof turned out not to be, including one of our tents. I had kept the lighter dry in a zip lock bag. As soon as I took the lighter out, a drop of water perfectly fell into the hole on top right onto the flint and the port where the butane comes out, so it wouldn't strike. Between the three of us only my dad had a single pocket on the inside of his coat that managed to remain dry so he stashed the lighter there to let it dry out as we hunkered down in our wet tents with our wet sleeping bags. Hours later around midnight he finally got it to light and we got a fire going. It took all those things going against me to get a bic to not work. Now when I go out I have a bic inside an exotac sleeve, a zippo with a butane pipe insert, and some storm matches and I'm good to go. Bics aren't perfect but anyone who says flint and steel IS perfect is full of it. Everything has its pros and cons. Good video man!

I also like the refillable jet style lighters. A more vigorous flame that is less susceptible to wind. I also keep a Zippo, extra flints, extra wicks and a small container of fuel in my hunting kit. But Bics are in everything.

I have had the fuel in a Bic go empty in a pocket. Must have been while sitting and the material of my pocket was bunched up pushing in the button. Who knows? But had another in a pack get emptied by items in with it. I do put an o-ring around the lighters top and under the button on the lighters in my kits. I'm over 55 and I figure better safe than sorry. I do smoke so I use lighters more often than most.

When I was in the army stationed in Alaska we relied on bic lighters to light our pot stoves. Very often it would be -20 to -50 in the winter and I never had a problem with it. We used to make “arctic necklaces” which consisted of a Bic lighter and a ferro rod duck taped together and tied off with 550 cord either around your neck or to your belt loop.

I always have 2-3-4 brand new Bics packed apart from each other in case something gets wet or lost.