Response to Dave Canterbury's Neck Knife Argument
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video I respond to Dave Canterbury's reasons for not liking neck knives.
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I would say you make good points but you are incorrect about knife sizes I prefer, however I do not mind neck knives around Camp or for certain tasks but not really for walking in the woods. I don’t argue with Mors opinion of what works for him no you it just not for me honestly and I have tried it. But opinions obviously vary
Sorry If I was wrong about your preferred knife size - It's really hard to pin you down on that one since I've seen you with such a range of sizes. I recall your old beloved $3 butcher knife - definitely not neck knife material - and as I said, there is a predominance of knives that are a bit large for wearing on the neck among your PKS knives.
@@outdoorsonthecheap I actually prefer the belt knife for major utility and a pocket folder or SAK for most general tasks which reduces the need for a 3rd blade around the neck anyway in most cases unless in camp skinning game etc. but everyone should do what works for them as there is no right or wrong really
Never said there was a right or wrong answer - just spoke to your rationale.
I too carry an SAK (trailmaster) as a backup & tool kit - though I ground down the serrated edge to just be a regular edge, and filed down the keychain clip to keep it from going through my pocket. I gotta ask man - what Island were you on for the Nova Scotia episode of Dual Survival? We have lots of islands so its really hard to tell.
@@DavidCanterbury
SAK knives are a must. Carried them when we were kids 40 plus yrs ago.
Got into other knives and just forgot about them. It's been decades but just bought one again 2 months ago.
Everybody should have one
I could write a book about all this garbage advice you've given and I actually consider it. Your logic for not carrying a neck knife is garbage, I've done so much hiking and even scrambling and climbing with a mora eldris on my neck.
Different carry for different people. Personal choice ! Why stress over it .
Not stressed. He made a lousy argument - his reasons for not using a neck knife don't make any sense.
@@outdoorsonthecheap Dave made this argument over 6 years ago. Different strokes for different folks. You are kinda late for the party! Get over it!
OK... 2+2=5. Now by your reasoning, no one can criticize my math if it's 2031. Awesome!
@@outdoorsonthecheap🤫
@@outdoorsonthecheap No one needs complex arguments with multiple reasons unless they're trying to convince everyone that no one should ever wear a neck knife. If he's just saying he hates wearing one, that's all of the reason he needs. And it's clear from his own comments on this video that he only says everyone should do whatever works for them. He's not bashing anyone who does like neck knives. It doesn't matter if you think that's not good enough, if anyone doesn't find them comfortable to wear, they don't need to further justify it with arguments, and they sure as hell don't need to justify it to satisfy YOU.
You can drown on either side of the boat!
😂👍
I couldn’t agree more. I wear a mora garberg on my belt and a mora Eldris around my neck.
The more ya know the less you carry - Mors Kochanski
Nooooooo.
@@davidheath2427 care to elaborate?
Glad you got that load off your chest! Hope you feel better now!
Yes! Thank you!
I’m pretty sure the whole point of the video is that he prefers to carry his load on his chest.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@Mael01369
Different preferences are the spice of life. Everybody has their own style. Just because one person doesn't prefer something doesn't mean it's wrong. Really no need to defend your opinion. There's plenty of people using neck knives out there. 👍
I've watched Dave Canterbury since he first started on youtube back sometime in late '07 or early '08 when his channel was called "Wilderness Outfitters Archery" I was within his first 500 subs. And I can tell you he use to carry a Mora Classic #2 around his neck all of the time. He may have changed his mind on neck knives now, but back then he recommended it.
I've enjoyed much of your content, but I'm not wearing my knife as a pendant. The buttoned shirt carry is fine if that is all you're going to wear as a top coat. It's not zipper or poncho friendly, and if you watch one of Mors vids on fire making he gives a good demonstration (without ever saying) how awkward and even dangerous it could be as he waves his knife near his face. I have to pose this observation about professionals who frequently require knives but never see them wearing one around their necks - fishermen, chefs, meat processors, EMTs, police, soldiers, cowboys, ranchers, electricians, carpenters, landscapers. I'm sure I've missed a few. Beyond the dangers you find unrealistic, I'd find it irritating to have this thing swinging around in my field of view while performing chores that I have to lean over for. All that said, thanks for the debate.
Mors got the idea from spending time with first nations people. They, arguably, are the survival & bushcraft professionals :) Good point about the zipper or poncho. I suppose there may be some sort of workaround, but I guess I lit button up top coats so I've never dealt with that.
@@outdoorsonthecheap I thought Native American methods of carry would come up. If Mors got the idea from the first nations, he sure took his sweet time implementing it. He has a video of his preferred carries over his years and a neck knife was one of his latest choices. One in particular was a gifted knife by a custom maker. I'm not new to this debate though I won't claim to be an expert. In vids of people making historically accurate indigenous sheaths, most knives were worn in sashes(also see Matt Graham), free swinging loops from belts and even on wrists. Imagine an indigenous of the plains that made his living on horseback have a neck knife slapping him in the face with every other stride. I can direct you to a vid of an eastern woodlands specialist of indigenous decent wearing a knife at his side. I've seen some point to a painting of a NAI wearing a neck knife as part of his ceremonial dress. The painting was made 100 years after that man died. One of the most ridiculous arguments I saw was a man in buckskins defending the tiny neck knife he wore. He claimed it was the preferred carry because "they didn't have pockets". What is a sheath? He also assumed (while wearing buckskins) that some of the finest leather crafters on the planet were incapable of devising a belt. I'm not arguing NAI's never neck carried, but from the brief research I've done, it was the exception instead of the rule. There's also no argument here about NAI's being the undisputed survival pros.
Just a thought, if you tie your lanyard with a double fisherman's knot, then it would be very easy to adjust the length of the lanyard.......long or short.
@@bighill5680 This is an idea. I have done this with a small compass I carry whenever i'm out but not for around my neck. I use it to easily get on and off my wrist easily but allow me to keep it securely on my left wrist for easy frequent barring checks. I would be leery of doing this around my neck though for risk of affixation regardless of how minute the possibility may be. I like many use 550 or 750 cord which can be pretty strong for the size.
@@Steakfrie a lot of good points and observations here. Well put.
I have been running a belt knife lately but go back and forth. I like to run my Mora as a neck knife especially in winter when I'm layered up. The belt clip holds the Mora too close to my body to get it back in the sheath safely while wrestling with clothing. I also run my cord around my neck just a bit longer and use the belt clip on the sheath to clip the knife between buttons. This also helps carry the weight of the knife on my coat rather that just my neck. I have found my knife that has a dangling sheath helps a lot with the clothing issue and allows my belt knife to be accessed one handed on draw and sheathe. It is however a little bit larger knife. You make valid points here, thanks for sharing them.
I have used both but like the belt knife. I do have my reasion for not liking the neck knife but it’s my history of being a para.
Hate things around my neck. Annoying. Dangler for belt, as a tight fixed belt knife catches on stuff.
I like Dave, but if Dave says something, and Mors says something, go with Mors.👍👍
Mors is the real deal for sure.
👍 There is no “right” or “wrong” answer, but I agree with all your points. I like wearing my fixed blade knives around my neck and all the ones I really use in the woods resemble your knife.
In 64+/- years in the woods I have never been in a “tactical” situation. Only about 15-16 carrying the knife around my neck.
I believe “survival” is an over used and misused term.
I also saw Dave’s video on neck knives and came to the same conclusion you did.
To each his own! I EDC many items, including a fixed blade! I personally don't prefer a knife around my neck either! I carry on my hip or groin Carry in front.🤷
I have used a neck knife and at times it is an ok way to carry it. I prefer to carry it as a belt knife. Main reason is that most backpacks have chest straps making a neck very cumbersome. I think people just end up with preferences. I also don’t like that it takes 2 hands to take it in and out. I know that the idea is to have the sheathe not so tight on the knife that it binds but I don’t like any knife loose in a sheathe. Now truth is eastern tribes of Native Americans did prefer neck knives. But a massive differences is that eastern tribes weren’t horse riders nearly as much as western tribes. Western tribes had their knives as belt knives. So there are arguments for either. It just comes down to preference. For belt knives I prefer just a sheathe that the knife just slides in not buckle or snap sheathes.
It's personal preference . I usually only wear pull-over shirts and zip-up jackets so no buttons to tuck into. I also prefer not to have things hanging around me neck. My favorite carry option is for a belt knife on a cloth sash I can tie around my waist over my jacket or I can tie it on under a jacket. I can also sling it over either shoulder. I use a wide waxed cotton cloth as a sash. I think it works well.
I think the neck knife versus belt knife argument is all about personal preference.
The phrase "personal preference" shows up so many times in these comments. I must do a video on that. Is neck vs belt really and coke vs pepsi thing?
@@outdoorsonthecheap How is it not? Belt versus neck is 💯 preference
I agree with you I like Neck knives I'm very rarely have a belt knife.. but only under these conditions... The lanyard must have a breakaway.. they sell them in the craft store paracord section plastic breakaways so if you do get hung up on something.. or someone tries to grab you by the lanyard the lanyard pops...#2 I generally like lightweight flatter handle knives.. typically skeletonized with paracord wrap.. also blades of about 2 and 1/2 to 3 in.. my two favorite and I own a lot of them.. Condor kickback...& CRKT minimalist... And I like the Bowie blade model of the minimalist.. as I stated I have a lot of other neckers . Most with flatter type grips or skeletonized grips. Paracord wrap.. and generally when I'm out in public or even walking in the woods not planning to use the knife it's tucked inside my shirt.. if I'm going to use it a bit I'm going to leave it outside my shirt where it's easily reachable... So I also disagree with Dave at least on the smaller 3-in and sub 3 inch blades
neck knife for kayaking without deep pockets/belt
Cody Lundeen who I consider a major authority on Bushcraft and survival carries a mora around his neck never seem to ever have a problem with Neck carry
In my own opinion, Dave has become more of a salesman and a business rather than a survivalist. Always copying other products and sometimes adding minor tweaks.
To each their own, though
High prices. Verry high shipping.
The neck knife makes more sense to me even in and EDC. Certain chairs will catch the knife on handles. Way more reasons to carry a neck knife than on your side.
A knifeless man is a lifeless man. Carry one. Carry 2 just have it when needed where your comfortable
Interesting Video, even for someone like me who doesn't like neck knives, but you give me a second option, something to try, let's see if this time if I can wear them on my neck since I usually don't like to wear anything hanging on my neck.
As for Dave's opinion, he is a generator of thought and opinions, just like you in your channel and I think both points are respectable and we have to respect each other.
✌🏻 peace ✌🏻
Its what ever you feel comfortable with..I grew up around plenty of real old timers hunting the north woods of Michigan. I saw a lot of them carrying a folding hunter on the belt and a hatchet attached to a back pack..just what I saw...just personal choice...thanks for a great site.
Agree. Very similar to what I saw growing up.
Regarding safety, there’s such a thing as a breakaway neck lanyard that gives way if the tension gets too high
You know I've heard many people that don't like neck knives talk about the dreaded choking themselves.
I was Airborne in the military. I have many jumps out of planes made by the lowest bidder.
We always had Dogtags on. Never ever seen one choke someone.
These people that complain usually have necklaces on. Bet they never had their necklaces twist and choke them until they break. Yet they wear them.
I just find that whole idea ridiculous.
From my readings I've found Scandinavian people used neck knives because of cold weather gear an Also the risk of falling through ice. It's easier to get to your knife around your neck. Then try and find it around your waist.
This doesn't make a difference to me. I like the usefulness having it around my neck.
An its Not likely I'll fall through ice in my state. It's hardly snowed in a few years. Lol. Just a data point.
I guess my point is if your scared of something very unlikely I'm not sure the outside is the place for you.
No matter what you do Murphys law will always exist!
(Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, usually at the worst possible time)
Ask any soldier.
I think even Dave suggested that - but IMO it's a good way to lose a knife. The lanyard must have 0% risk of failure. The risk of strangulation is simply unfounded.
And if it hangs up in your neck area and unholsters you might suffer hard. Neck knives are weird
I often wanted to try that system. I think Dave is anything that's anti-Cody Lundin. Cody always wore one, so, naturally, Dave hates it. But i wouldn't mind trying it, and it would definitely be with a smaller knife.
I would not worry about what some self pro claimed survival expert who's whole carrier has been built on lies and stolen valor has to say and why people still follow and worship that guy is beyond me.
If it works for you then you are good to go end of story as with everything what works for one person may not be what works for another.
A great, common-sense discussion. Thank you.
Thanks man
To each his own. Grab 100 bushcrafters and get 50 different answers. As for me, I prefer a neckknife.
I think the one is arguably more functional than the other - Dave himself said that it's handy around camp (when he's using a knife often) to have it around the neck. If they are equally functional neck or belt - why does he switch?
I have a small downward draw spear point neck knife with a kydex sheath that I would leave a button undone where the handle ends up so i could reach in and grab it. I like it, but in a defense situation, a person could end up grabbing it and sticking you with your own blade according to self-defense instructors. The upward draw neck knife is typically what some native Americans would carry. I like either one. I, too, am also a fan of big fixed blades. Good video, sir. Thanks for sharing. 😎👍
I neck carry a Mora Eldris from time to time. Works great. IMO it’s best to select your knife and carry style tailored to your clothing, kit, and intended activity each trip.
If I neck carry my short Eldris I’m definitely bringing a folding saw like a Silky Pocket Boy or Laplander (I have leather belt sheaths for both). It’s all about how the kit fits together for me. I don’t like a crowded waist area so I’m not putting a knife AND a saw on my belt.
Luv my necker .....use way more than my belt knife or pocket folder....I have 2 neckers my Mora Eldris and my Essee Izula2 with barrow connector breakaway 550 7 strand paracord and have never had any issues with it.....take care from Waterville NS
You''ll find wearing a carbon steel under the shirt it turns black.
I literally showed the blade. It looks like all my other carbon steel blades that I've been wearing for years. None of them are black because I look after them. The knife would only turn black if you never used it and did not maintain it at all.
A potato will help acheve that great color faster.
@@thomasbryson2757 Think reality, not appearance.
No knife used regularly turns black
Who’s using a non coated high carbon steel blade without a forced patina? They rust. It’s what they do.
I always carried a buck 110 on my belt , but I always liked the Mora companion for a neck knife which I plan to buy one of each soon , I ss and1 carbon , 1 for processing wood and utility the other for processing game , I'd like to have a sharpener for precision sharpening , I'd like to see Mora make 1 especially for the Scand I bevel for quik touch ups , I've spent so much time sharpening the old 110 . But I like your reasoning, different strokes for different folks.
Do what you prefer. Problem solved. He made that video because he was constantly being asked. And he makes money from the videos. Welcome to UA-cam.
I have a small neck knife but never carry it. We can all think of reasons to not do one or the other. That being said, I absolutely do not want a scarry sharp knife near my carotid artery, lungs and heart. What are chances of severely cutting your neck while pulling the knife or replacing it? Probably not very likely. But, at 76 years of age, I have learned, "if it can happen, it will." Take it from someone who survived a knife attack....the blood leaves your body with a quickness. Also, it wouldn't hurt to put some sort of break-away on the lanyard. Strangulations with lanyards have happened and will continue to happen. Not only is there the risk of death but also of serious cervical injury. There are cases. True, if you were to fall, trip or slide and the lanyard gets caught up, you could in theory just remove the knife from the sheath and cut the cord. However, in most instances the sheath will be pulled tightly up against your throat with the knife pommel jammed into your neck. Getting it out might be a struggle and you will be drawing a sharp knife right next to your carotid artery and attempting to cut a tight cord right against your neck and head. If it can happen, it will, and likely has.....numerous times. So, put a break-away on your lanyard....it makes sense.
You can also fall down and hit your head on a rock from just walking - or have a car accident from driving - in fact those are probably more likely. You still walk and drive ( I imagine) despite those risks - yet you are concerned about this far lesser risk. I don't get it. A belt knife s near your groin and femoral artery... for some reason these are less vital?
@@outdoorsonthecheap Let me change it, "If it can happen, it has." Look it up. Your driving example is a strawman argument. A belt knife is not near your femoral artery unless you are carrying it over your fly.
Aye, i carry my dirk in the front( groin carry), if it happens, so be it.
I watch a lot of videos and follow a lot of content creators. I have to say that I do not agree 100% with any one content creator. I take what I find useful and leave the rest. I like Canterbury, and he teaches some incredible and valuable skills, but I don't blindly follow everything he says and does, and that's okay. We are allowed to do that. You can learn something from everybody and adapt that knowledge of what to do and what not to do and adapt it to fit your needs.
Incidentally, what works for me lately is a small neck knife and the Ontario SP-8 on my belt. That combo works well for my needs and I really don't care what anybody else thinks about it. Nobody knows what works best for me other than me. ✌️😁
I have tried neck carry and don't care for it. I know what Dave is talking about as there is a long belt across the Mid West that has multiflora rose, rasberry and blackberry thickets under trees. A bear to go through with a knife attached behind you. In the winter I have heavy pullovers wool shirts or sweaters with less room. I understand where Mors got the idea but that idea was changed in the nursing field as not safe. Look at nurses today or ambulance crews. They have a lanyard attached to their waist and their scissors in their scrubs shirt pocket by their waist or in the case of emergency crews in a leg cargo pocket. I don't loose knives until I get home. In the woods or the desert it is cultivated reflex to sheath knife immediately. I saw his video and he did not do the best presentation which probably after a class and people asking why he doesn't use one. You have found it works well, many do, others do not. Neither is wrong just a preference. I don't agree with Dave but that doesn't make either one of us more right. I freak out people when I say I don't like a scandi grind for my woods knife. It's good for wood projects but I do few of those. I clean fish and as well as food prep. If I need to carve I use a pocket knife that I don't leave the house without for more than 50 years. I have scandi knives, heck my grandpa was born in Sweden. He used kitchen knives or a pocket knife.
I met Mors and he was a sessional Instructor and I had the greatest respect for his knowledge. He admitted that he learned most of his skills from the Native people from the Boreal forest before he instructed for the Canadian military (Rangers), so he had real time in the real bush...not in the warm environment of the eastern brush. Just saying what I know and have observed
Right on man
Mors is in Northern forests, and there are more relevant sources for skills in desert or Southern settings. Mors can't get to his belt knife under his 6 layers of parkas, sweaters, and clothes. I usually just reach into the back pocket of my shorts.
I keep a knife on my neck while in camp and crafting only, it is handy and easy to access rather then leave it on the ground floor or anywhere else. It is just a personal preference. I see no safety issues even if you keep it on the neck all the time.
Ranger survival school referenced the same ratio.
do you mean blade width : handle width?
Well Cody said s way better at survival so Dave can’t give him credit or admit it sooooo
Dave said Cody is dumb for having a knife that close to his neck
So he shot himself in the foot
Because now he can’t wear one without looking stupid again
Cody taught him the “dumb”
Super shelter lol
Watch season one of duel, Survival and you will find the real reason why Dave don’t wear a neck knife lol 😂
I take Dave Canterbury like I take Corporals corner... They have good advice... But it's my way is the only way.... And buy my stuff... That's all those 2 do.. buy my stuff... Pimps of their affiliate links... Nothing more
I feel ya man
"Pssst… guess what, you don’t have to buy their stuff" - yes but if that's the point of their content then what good is it?
@@rvroutdoors2131 psssst.... Guess what...I won't and I haven't..
love Dave Canterbury BUT good point Im a neck carry guy i use my knife as intended Not as an Axe or a chopping tool
Just two opinions out of a hundreds of thousand opinions. Either way will not change the price of a cup of coffee anywhere.
Bravo. I have a tendency to doubt “experts” who are trying to sell gear from their store. I may try a technique that they present but I will go with what works based upon my experience and the environment I am in. I agree totally with the comments about the military mindset (I spent 33 years as an infantry officer in the Canadian Forces) but I don’t use thinking designed for tactical combat in civilian situations. I grew up in a rural environment and have spent a lot of time in the woods hunting, trapping, fishing, canoeing and backpacking year round in the Maritimes (born in Nova Scotia but spent most of my civy life in New Brunswick) so the gear and techniques I use are based on that rather than combat. The bears here are not affiliated with ISIS so I don’t need to use a military outlook. It seems a lot of “YT experts” seem to think like CANEX commandos that figure it makes them look cool and tough using a bayonet rather than a Mora and think there are enemy troops behind every tree in the woods rather than a squirrel making that noise at night. Long winded comment to say it is refreshing to see a video teaching real world practical techniques for being in the woods. I am a now a new subscriber.
"CANEX commando" I haven't hear that - but it's a good one :) Thanks man - this channel was created for guys like you ...and long-winded comments are welcome :)
Personal choice. Where we carry a knife is a personal choice, as is the knife we carry. I personally choose to not place a sharp knife point next to such vital body parts. Maybe I’m missing something handy and useful. And, I’m trying to miss my own knife puncturing my neck or gut.
We each make our choices. What’s the next subject of conversation?
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I agree, same reason I point a weapon down , My knives are dangerously sharp.
@@ernestdurante4653 Sorry to hear that , too dangerous. I'd rather be safe than look cool myself.
This sounds more like you got offended that he doesnt carry your way so you decided to lash out against a bigger channel to get the views.....
So what if he doesnt carry the way you like. Just do you.
Its a bad taste when small channels start bashing big channels or calling out big channels, like a little dog nipping at their heels. You could have easily done this bideo as an update to the one you did before and never even mentioned his name and got your point across and not cast negative shade.
Not offended - speaking to his argument - which makes no sense. He has a large audience and should not be giving them advice that makes no sense. How is that lashing out?
@@outdoorsonthecheap the question is, what makes your personal opinion so much weightier than his? That's the real issue. You said yourself throughout the video that it was personal opinion. He really hasn't done anything more than what you have done.
No - I said his arguments for not wearing a neck knife don't stand to reason. I assessed the validity of the premises in his argument. That is not a personal attack, and has nothing to do with personal opinion.
Opinel no. 3 with hole drilled into it. Ferro rod 1" strung into the red wing boot shoe lace. Nice and small
I don't do neck knives but if I did they he very small. 2 inch blades
i hate zippers near my crotch and knives near my throat... :P
Rant over ❤
He's just saying reasons why he doesn't like it I've been carrying a nickname for a very long time and the point you made her very valid you keep a shorter lanyard I use an adjustable one longer for when I'm at Camp shorter from when I'm strolling around so it's not flopping all over the place and if you're worried about it getting hung up and choking you coming down a hill put a barrel snap on it or something or some slip Adjusters I like it on my neck because of how to grab see that's where I keep my Mora eldris or my Otzi very lite weight because I have massive neck issues.
I carry a neck knife, a belt knife and a pocket knife. They all have different things they are good for. I wear my neck knife 24/7. I take it off to shower. I sleep with it and some people seem to think thats crazy but it doesnt worry me. Imo I think a lot of people spend too much time worrying about getting hurt
I agree with what you said around minute 6. I never had a neck knife snag into anything. 510 is my favorite for that
Just to Add if its good enough for Mors Then its good enough for me
couple points to make ...... your assuming everyone wears button ups in the woods / with a undershirt ........ been bushcrafting most of my life and 3/4 of the year I wear a t-shirt only in the woods in Kentucky , the swinging and hanging is a safety issue go speak to OSHA about it / also he has a military background so you dont advertise a weakness which a knife hanging visibly off your neck does ( point of control for a attacker ). On to the wetness if you dont wear a button up with a undershirt and only a single non button shirt it will be resting against bare skin and its more to me about the handle getting wet and being less safe to use.
I spoke to the whole military thing. Kinda ridiculous worrying about being attacked in the bush. Makes sense if you watch a lot of movies - doesn't make sense if you spend time in the bush. Must be very few flies or insects in the bush in Kentucky.
you can have your opinion , I have mine and mine comes my experiencing an attack in the woods ...so stay blessed homie glad you have never experienced trauma
Sorry to hear that it's so unsafe where you live. I have experienced trauma - but never in the woods. I never usually see a soul in the woods, and when I do its another guy like me - out for a great day in the woods.
Your both getting it wrong, I use a pocket spoon 😂
I believe the point of this video is not about personal preference, but rather the fact that Dave made unsubstantiated statements.
Bingo.
Dave should be 6 feet tall but he has short little legs.
I do use a belt knife. If they are any larger than a multi tool or a small fixed blade they become uncomfortable when sitting or driving, I am constantly moving my knife around. On the negative even a light 2” skinning knife is n absolute annoying thing for me to be around my neck. I like to use scarves and zipper neck shirts/coats so I found the knife around my neck to be a pain. But again I was military for a long time so my belt knife is on the outside of my tunic or whatever I am wearing on even now a kind of webbing belt thingy. And yes I often take of the belt where you do not really need to do that with a neck knife. There are pro and cons to both systems but rust would no be my primary negative to a neck knife. I would say the belt knife would be more likely to rust in my life and experience and I never had that problem. Think about it. Most people have no issues crossing a river or stream if it’s slow moving and safe. We do not mind going up to our crotch and that is the hight of a belt knife. Few people like to go in water up to there neck unless actually swimming
In my opinion I would say for most hikers/hunters and even survival people the light knife around the neck would be the best option. Just not for me. lol. Opinions may vary
On "Dual Survival" Dave's partner, Cody Lundin, wore a Mora around his neck. Dave and Cody had a falling out.
It could be that Dave doesn't like a knife around his neck because it reminded him of Cody.
I think Dave's main prob with Cody was the bare feet - and I can't blame him for that :)
I still generally carry a sheath knife in a cross draw fashion on my pistol belt ,may be not quite as convient as a neck carry but people who do spend generations in the boreal and polar regions and do use an often larger blade ,do in fact also prefer a cross draw style ,and for me ill use a quick adjust nknots on a neck knife occasionally but just dont care for them generally especially when in the mountains which is where i do most all my outdoor activites ,again as i said befor if you fall especially at night having a blade up near my chest just isnt good imo ,now if your in relatively flat terraine provably fine ,also Id guess Mors used the neck carry for convience in drawing his knife for his teaching classes but who knows if it works nothing wrong with it .
He based the approach on what he saw indigenous people doing - I assume because he considered them to be the experts.
I got my first Mora (Companion HD SS) to try neck carry, but around camp/set around stuffs. And I'm going to find 1/4" strapping to affix velcro to the ends. ~ erm, summer is normally a Tshirt tho.
Swimming through the thickets angle I get. But it's being body inverted that may strangle someone.
ie; having to climb through a felled tree across the trail between sloughs. (yes a couple of times on my land) Also down a steep slope strewn with dry leaves where near as ape from vines clinging to each tree not to slide on down the slope. (yes I have, even out gathering mushrooms) ..or mud like on a tv show (-:
~ Kinda same reasons above I use a hip belt. ...go stand on a log and I'll grab your belted knife, flip it to your ribs and we'll see if you lose balance. ~ Loop Worn belt, the knife sheath will have a dangle-er so can flip straight up.
I shall see how it goes. Between the breasts is the length I'd choose. But it's bit close to the eyes.
Perfect form every time is pictured in mind but, from fatigue to beers to person flitting around close it may not always be the case. I'll prolly still two hand it horizontally.
Happy April you 'n yourn ~
Again, tucked in the shirt - not a problem. This strangling thing is driving me nuts. I'd be dead a 100 times over if this was even a fraction of the risk that everyone seems to think it is.
I guess you like neck knives. LOL. I don't wear one. There are two main reasons. One is when I'm not in camp I almost always have a pair of binoculars hanging around my neck. I often have a haversack strap over a shoulder and across my chest (right where the neck knife would hang). Binoculars, haversack and neck knife...neck is getting to be a busy place. I'm often in the woods bow hunting. I wear a side quiver (hangs like a haversack) or a back quiver (also a strap across the chest) and the binoculars. Just too much going on around the neck carrying other things.
The other reason is that most of the clothes I wear in the woods are slip-over or zip-up. long or short sleeve t-shirts and different weight sweatshirts. Most of my sweatshirts are slip over but some zip. It gets cold during hunting season and all my winter weight coats zip. I'd have to buy different clothes to have any place to "tuck" a neck knife.
I sometimes carry a belt knife but not always. Sometimes the knife I keep handy for immediate use is a pocket knife and any other knives I might carry are in my pack. The pocket knife might be a pocket clip that can be easily opened with one hand or a small fixed blade like an Esee Izula. The Izula hangs blade down by a lanyard in my pocket. Still one handed deployment. Hook the lanyard with my thumb to get it out of my pocket and pop the knife out of the sheath.
When it gets really cold and I'm wearing overalls it's just a small or folding knife carried in the very limited pocket space of the overalls. Wow I said almost as much as you LOL. Oh and I've been doing this a lot longer than 20 years.
20 years is how long its been since I started using neck knives. I'm 51 - been in the woods longer than 20 yrs. Wow you must use binoculars a lot. Haversack is not an impediment on its own - in fact the strap is a good thing to tuck the knife sheath under. Anyway - point of the video was to speak to Dave's argument, not tell people what to do. Don;' know why people keep interpreting it that way.
Have you noticed that 90% of the comments DONT agree with you, in a true survival situation who would not want a fixed blade belt knife
don't think it's 90%. BTW - my knife is a fixed blade knife that is the length recommended in most survival manuals.
First of all why would you put a string around your neck?! If you have a collared shirt as you are wearing it would be more practical to put it outside your clothing.
Second to draw a knife from my breast is silly, to sheathe a knife to my breast is silly.
It is way more practical to carry and use a knife from any carry method at the waist.
And finally Mors Kahansky is the most overrated individual in wilderness history! Alot of people swear by his BUSHDUMMY philosophy, just because he came up with a different way to do things does not invalidate thousands of years of practical woodland survival. Alot of what is in his book is just bullshit!
" If you have a collared shirt as you are wearing it would be more practical to put it outside your clothing." - why?
"Second to draw a knife from my breast is silly, to sheathe a knife to my breast is silly." - why?
"It is way more practical to carry and use a knife from any carry method at the waist." - why?
Please support your opinions with arguments.
Re: Mors - he got the neck-knife idea from indigenous people (1000s of years)...
...and most of his methods are based on the traditions of Northern people (1000s of years)...
..and I doubt you've read his book since you can't even spell his last name.
I use both a belt and a neck knife. The knives are for 2 different purposes. I have a large camp knife that can do smaller tasks but my neck knife is a better choice. The neck knife can do some larger tasks but my belt knife is a better choice. The weight for the neck knife is not noticeable enough to chose to leave it alone. I am also one that also keeps a folding knife in my pocket just because I know it will always be there and razor sharp. I was brought up with a pocket knife I feel strange without it lol. Neither choice is wrong it is literally up to the individual person’s preference.
I also bring along a pocket knife always
In real life outdoors, I don't use a knife that often. It is a nuisance around my neck. Many of my jaunts in the woods are several months, and all I carry is a big folder in my pocket.
But nothing matches a neck knife for showing everyone how outdoorsy you are......sitting on a sofa watching UA-cam survival videos..
I adopted this approach for snaring rabbits do the the fact that you need you knife all the time when setting snares. I spend years with folders and belt knives, and this was much more convenient. Its a nuisance for big knives I agree - but years ago I stopped carrying those as well, because I find them less versatile in general. I've never found the need to wear one while watching TV...
I carry a smaller Kephart style knife, but not around my neck. I just prefer belt carry. Nuff said. My preference, I don’t have to give you a reason why. I don’t have to worry about anything except whether it works for me or not. Wish all you guys would just stop bitching about each other and realize we all do things differently. Would be boring as hell if we were all the same.
The point of the video was to speak to Dave's argument, not tell people what to do. Don't know why people keep interpreting it that way.
Quite the controversial subject based on the number of comments here. I'd have to agree with this video, but I have a solution for those of us who are in both camps (neck and belt carry), so long as you're carrying a lighter knife. I use a longer lanyard and wear the knife lower using the next buttonhole down. This is much easier to take on and off over the head and for us older (stiffer) guys and gals it's easier to look down and retrieve and secure. For the mora clip style it''s easy to secure to the belt in a dangler fashion by doubling the loop in a figure 8 and tucking behind the belt and clipping to the sheath. No need to remove the belt to secure this way. Good video...Cheers!
Good idea
Neckers are super cool for restroom breaks and campground showers when you don’t have instant access to your pack, belt or otherwise the normal conditions.
There's no showers or restrooms where I go.
@@outdoorsonthecheap I’m coming from the perspectives of a thru hiker. Camp to camp to camp to town to camp to town etc. First thing we want to do is drop our packs at every stop 🧻
Why are you taking a knife into a restroom or shower?
@@outdoorsonthecheap sense of security
The only danger with any neck knife is impalement . Other than that? It's like you say. Great place for mushroom hunting. But I'm like him. I prefer it on my side. Incase I fall.
Impalement? That's like saying the only danger with walking outside is having a meteor land on your head.
Guys, just do what works for you.
Most big bushcraft channels are now advertisement channels with a little of bushcraft. My fav channel is Ranger Survival by far.
Ironically, Ranger survival has an affiliate page for... wait for it... self reliance outfitters - Dave Canterbury's gear store :)
DAVE CANTERBURY I TESTED HIS BOOKS HE SAID WHAT WORK OR NOT ..
No one is wrong ... just another opinion & everyone has one. I never wear anything around my neck that can strangle me. A no brainer!
I never wear anything that can strangle me as well.
This was settled nearly a century ago. The predecessor of Field and Stream had a contest for the best outdoor knife design. Professional trappers, guides, hunters, fishermen, and outdoorsmen in general participated. A winner was chosen. It is called the Canadian >BELT< knife, not the Canadian NECK knife. It was produced by Russel for years, and is now available from Grohmann. A cheaper, lighter knockoff is sold by Cold Steel. Both come with a sheath suitable for carrying on a belt.
Yes I know the knife you are talking about. I've never been a fan of the design and think they are overpriced, and prized more for their beauty than functionality. I prefer the "puukko" design , such as that used for the Mora companion, arguably for the same ecology, and arguably, determined ideal through trial and error many more than 100 years ago.
I would argue it was never settle as they are not the gods of anything and the debate continues. That would be the opposite of settled.
@@anthonyclark9159 That makes 2 youtubers against thousands of professional outdoorsman. It is settled for me. Do either of you happen to sell knives?
Dave is a “It’s my way or the Highway” type of guy. I knew Dave for years. He’s the guy that coined the phrase “One tool option” which is also ridiculous.
You can get universal pocket clips now for your pocket. Js
Yes - but I don't think they are as robust and reliable as a lanyard.
I like some of Dave catenburrys videos. But I find them more anoying than anything. He acts like his way is the only way. Also his videos are more of a sales ad than anything. Does he know his stuff yes but he is also a fraud. That’s why he got fired from duel survival.
He's not a fraud he served in the military, he served with the Rangers, he trained with them, he's a survival expert,
but he just wasn't a sniper, but he literally worked with snipers so no he is absolutely not a fraud,
(being annoyed at what you want) but don't be a f****** liar.
A quick Google search will prove what you just said was wrong, and he apologized on video for his embellishment, the only thing that wasn't correct about his military career was the (sniping part) the rest was legitimate.
@@BUZZKILLJRJR look up why he got kicked of duel survival. Yes he served and he knows survival. But he also wasn’t a sere instructor. I know several sere instructors who don’t respect him.
I’d love to see a sit down pow wow between you two just going back and forth for an hour.
That woulD be cool for sure! I don't think think Dave has much time for that :) He did comment on this video somewhere among the other 300+ comments
If you like it do it, if he doesn't like it it doesn't mean it's wrong. I prefer pie to cake. Cake isn't bad or wrong or stupid.
I was speaking to his reasons - not whether it's right or wrong. To give an example - if you say you prefer pie to cake - then fine; if you say you prefer pie to cake because it has more vitamin B12 - when in fact it has none - then I will disagree with your reason for preferring pie.
@@outdoorsonthecheap Beautifully stated. And, sincerely, thank you for not taking it personally.
I like both ways.
I neck carry a small bird and trout style knife or a small nessmuck style knife in a tight retention kydex sheath handle down. Quick and easy to deploy for basic needs and chores. I belt carry a joker ember in a sheath with a dangler. Small knife with quick deployment from my chest and large knife for heavy labor from my hip. Best of both.
I agree that some people seem to be wired to see worst case scenarios in common places, and then alter their daily approach to facilitate surviving the most unlikely of scenarios.
I guess there is a time and place for that sort of thinking.
However, it also seems like that type of thinking/prioritizing sometimes creates unnecessary burdens, like carrying a 1/4 thick knife and a go bag on a day hike.
Agree 100% AAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++
I've used a neck knife for years in Fire/EMS as well as outdoors. I've never had a problem with them.
Discomfort with the possibility of stabbing chest with point when re-sheathing blade is an unacknowledged factor for some people.🙃
But they have no discomfort with the possibility of stabbing their groin or hip when sheathing a belt-knife... an equally preposterous thing to fear.
@@outdoorsonthecheap Sure, ta. Tho' on the hip the tip is not moving towards the body🙃
My opinion is that you shouldnt take any chances on how you carry that neck knife and have a BREAK AWAY Lanyard.
Everyone talks about "In my 20 years" Ive never seen anything like this. Then it happens. In my 30 years of this or that then it happens. If life hasn't taught you this by now I will try to explain. I have come to the conclusion of a saying that I have been using for years now. EXPERIENCE IS NOT ALL KNOWING.
You can be in a Profession for 30 years and never see something and say THAT LL NEVER HAPPEN while another guy in the same profession will see it in his first year. Its all chance is all it is.
This is unrelated but it really applies across the board. One of the number Killers in Aircraft Maintenance is COMPLACENCY. That honestly applies to many fields of expertise. You get careless you get complacent you get used to something NEVER happening and then it does and you never expected it so you never prepared for it. Just like all the people who get broken into by robbers they dont believe it'll happen to them and then it does and they are not armed and or HAVE THE ARM and have no idea how to even use it and have no training so the first thing they do is panic and lose valuable seconds that they could have reacted.
Ive not been in the woods that much over my life time but I've had necklaces get hung up on branches many times Ive had run through the woods a time or two and been snagged by limbs and branches fallen or tripped unexpectedly. Youre in canada thats Bear Country say you have to have run from a Bear... or wild animal and that a limb you thought you got away from suddenly snags you to a sudden stop and rocks you back and you hit your head and go unconscious you can't cut away that line because you're not conscious and you now may not be able to even draw a breathe because its got a hold of your neck. =BREAK AWAY LANYARD...
Most companies these days that have people who work around machinery make them use BREAKAWAY Lanyards so they aren't sucked into the machine. Things you go your whole life saying will never happen have a way of suddenly happening. People have a chance of being struck by lightening 3x before they would ever win the Lottery and yet people win it. Take that into consideration with a simple change of the line you use to carry it. BREAK AWAY LANYARD... Then when and if you ever get snagged that line breaks away and you feel like an Angel pulled you free.
Carry however you wish but take into consideration that simply because its never happened doesnt mean it wont and it doesnt mean that when it does it will go exactly how you believed it would.
Life has a way of working like that. Always expect the unexpected its a simple change that changes the line you're carrying it with and may save your life.
I agree - not a good idea to wear anything around your neck near machinery. In the woods it's juts not a meaningful risk. There is a far greater risk of simply falling down and hitting your head, or having a car accident on the way to the work. A break away lanyard is a great idea for anyone that is concerned about that infinitesimally small risk, but there's probably a real risk of the break away mechanism failing, and losing your knife.
@@outdoorsonthecheap So losing a knife is more important than losing your life? lol. Joking man do what you want. Itll probably NEVER happen. I just wanted to suggest it to you. You can get the ones they use for factory workers they dont break away as easily as you would think. You wont lose your knife but they will break away with enough stress on the line. If you knife is tucked into your Button up shirt youll feel that sucker fall before you ever end up losing it.
I think you shouldn't take Dave's comments to seriously. I don't take him too seriously. Reason why? He looks too much like a guy who was on a TV series where the two stars(?) had to survive in various contrived extreme conditions. IIRC, in one episode, the two "survival experts" were in an immobile pickup truck on a snowy Vermont road in cold, cold weather. The other guy who (did not wear shoes) talked the Dave look alike into abandoning the shelter of the vehicle to spend the night in an overturned shit house. Seems as though the Dave clone also removed the heavy truck battery and slogged through the snow with it. So, I know it is wrong of me, but every time I look at Dave, I think of the other guy. What a joker that guy was!
Dual survival. Yes - that's him
@@outdoorsonthecheap Naaah...surely not. Must have been a guy who looked like Dave. No fountain of outdoor knowledge such as Dave would ever be videoed overnighting in an overturned outhouse when he could have made an ice cave or igloo with all that Vermont snow.
I was never a fan of neck knives but ill try it tighter like you show
The ONLY RIGHT answer to the question you are debating is.... on the day you find yourself in a "Situation" the right answer is the knife you have on you at that moment. If it's a small knife thats the right answer. If you have a large knife, thats the right answer. If you have a neck knife, thats the right answer This applies to everything you may have on you in the current situation. If its a knife, a hand gun a fire starter a bic lighter or fire steel. Let's face it, as the economy continues to slide down hill and the cost of things go up. What you have bought in the past or still need to buy will be what YOU think you will need in the event something happens for the type environment you are in. Desert, plains, mountains, rain forest. At a plane or car crash site, involuntary lock down, kidnapping, power failure and what ever other scenario you could imagine. Based on that info you will have to buy, barter or make what you feel comfortable using. Size or carry position isn't the question. The question is have you practiced enough with what you have to be able to over come what ever is forcing you into using what you have practiced and preached,
This vid really wasn't about the question of what's the best knife - but this one was: ua-cam.com/video/cPXBBdl9N5Y/v-deo.html&lc=UgzpLhn_kaspFDROhV94AaABAg
@@outdoorsonthecheap sorry, I guess I wasn't clear in my message. What I was trying to say is there really isn't a right or wrong way to carry something or make something. It all depends on how you train or what works best for you. The best thing I think folks like you can do is present your ideas on why you like to do something "This Way" and not another way. Then let anyone who decides to watch your video and others on how they want to handle a task or carry. I hope this is clearer towards my point. Probably not but thats why I am not a writer or video maker. :-)
I have had this discusion a hundred times with people, and even did a video on neck knives for my channel. Personally, I wear a much smaller neck knife that you, and several others on youtube do. I tend to wear something along the 1-1/2 to 2" blade. mostly, in the last 10 years I have worn either minimalists by Alan Folts, or his slightly larger S.P.E.C or S.P.E.W. when I am in the woods, I tend to put it inside my shirt completely. but around town I like it accessible. I do wear a belt fixed blade on my belt when I am outside of town. It all comes down to personal preference, I do not like having something as big as a mora ( one I have seen a lot of people wear as a necker) around my neck. but the smaller blades can handle a LOT of tasks that don't require the full sized fixed blade I wear on my belt.
It's funny - I think "personal preference" is the most commonly used phrase in the comments section. I never said people can't do whatever they want. Of course - anyone can do whatever they want. But it's funny that I point out how his only two reasons don't make sense - and then everyone goes on and on about personal preference. If Dave had made a video called, "everyone should do whatever they want for whatever reasons feel good to them personally - I'd have nothing to talk about.
@@outdoorsonthecheap I never meant to imply you said people should only do as you say. I was just saying that I agree with you on the accessibility of neck knives, I have tried larger neckers, and it is just not what works for me.
New subscriber, I've only watched a few videos but, so far, great stuff.
Thanks and welcome
The thing about Dave and his videos/advice….and this is just my opinion…he makes money and will say anything to sell merchandise. There is a video of him making a bow drill srt from scratch…and him “getting a coal”…he faked it. And badly…that was years ago…that’s Dave!
You made some very good points.
Thanks
I like to carry my Helle knife on the neck, same size as a Mora, but here in Denmark neck knives are illegal, so you risk a heavy penalty for breaking weapon legislations.. dont you just love socialist countries..
I wonder why they are illegal - that makes no sense
@@outdoorsonthecheap probably because it is faster to deploy.. autoknives, balisongs, pushdaggers and knives that are concealed, like a beltbuckle knife or a knife hidden inside a survival showel are also all illegal
Larger knives like Dave canterbury uses then I'd go belt, smaller knives neck knives are great.
I have heard people's in colder climates would carry their blades around the neck as it keeps the blade warmer and less likely to break because of the cold like it would if it was on the belt?
No - it has nothing to do with that. It's just easier to get at when wearing multiple layers.
@@outdoorsonthecheap really
Bottom line: hey Dave, your not allowed to have an opinion or personal preference bro.
No - that really wasn't the point.
@@outdoorsonthecheap
Then what was the point because point or not that's the way it came across. To me there wasn't a very good argument for not wearing it on your belt either. But in the end to each his own really.
He made two arguments for why he doesn't like neck knives - I explained why those arguments don't make sense. If it came across any other way, then you're inferring things beyond what I said.
@@outdoorsonthecheap
Ok but all that really matters is that it makes sense to him right?
He pretty much just stated why he didn't like something. You stated he didn't make sense.
You could have just made a video about what you like about the neck knife option. Instead you called him out by name based on his opinion vs your own.
I gotta ask, we're you trying to cause a stir or using his name to bring you viewer? Just trying to make sense of it all.
"Ok but all that really matters is that it makes sense to him right?" -
No - it matters that things people say make sense objectively - especially if they are survival instructors, and especially if thousands of people make decisions about what to buy based on what they say .
I did not call him out based on his opinion, I spoke to his argument. An argument is not an opinion.
I spoke to his (poor) argument because many people buy things based on his advice - and I think he was giving poor advice based on the argument he presented in the video.
I made the video for the reasons stated above - not to "cause a stir".