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#40 – Nested Observer Windows: the case for hierarchical consciousness
In episode 40 of the Justin Riddle Podcast, Justin provides an update of the Nested Observer Windows (NOW) Model. The paper describing this theory was recently published in the open-access Neuroscience of Consciousness journal (link below) and this video is an extended version of the Plenary talk that Justin gave at the Science of Consciousness conference in April of 2024 in Tucson, AZ (link below to conference recording). The NOW Model describes the mind as a nested hierarchical system in which there are many different cognitive systems within the brain at multiple scales. We are familiar with neuron-centric theories of consciousness, and yet why are we so fixated on the level of the neuron. There are synapses that comprise the neuron, there are microtubule systems within the neurons that appear to be electrically active, and there are neuronal population dynamics above the neuron which display prominent electrical properties. The cellular level is one level within a multi-scalar system. Evidence from cognitive neuroscience is suggesting that the low-frequency macroscopic electrical activity in the brain is closest correlated to cognition and brain stimulation techniques that drive these neural oscillations can reproducibly create changes in cognition. Therefore, it appears that these macroscopic scales are “causally” relevant to cognition. How then do all of these multiple levels connect to each other?
Observations from neuroscience show us that these multiple scales are electrically coupled to each other, a phenomenon called cross-frequency coupling. With coupling across these multiple scales, there is a mechanism for how information processed at different scales can be communicated up and down the nested hierarchy of the brain. The NOW Model essentially takes cross-frequency coupling very seriously. Your mind is at the apex, the top, of the brain hierarchical system and there are nested cognitive processing systems within you. A model by which there are nested cognitive systems explains a whole range of psychological phenomena that are not current explainable under single-level neuron theories of consciousness. For example, the fact that we are only aware of a high level of abstraction of our experience and yet can interact with a rich perceptual landscape and initiated complex motor movements can be explained by an interaction between ourself at the slow apex and the lower levels. Another explanation is how slow our cognition really is: the NOW Model suggests that we are operating in the time range of 1 cycle per second or even slower. Our thoughts are sluggish and filled with abstraction (perhaps a key to intelligence) but contain the richness of the faster systems. Beyond capturing a deeper range of every day experiences, the NOW Model also readily accounts for dissociative identity disorder and new psychotherapy techniques that conceptualize the self as a family (internal family systems). This is just the tip of the iceberg from changing our self-conceptualization from singular into a multiplicity of nested systems. There is a lot of work to be done in this space to validate the potential cognitive reality of the NOW Model!
~~~ Timestamps ~~~
0:00 Introduction
12:30 Overcoming reductionism
22:22 The closest correlate to cognition
31:40 Electrical coupling across scales
38:24 Mosaic tiles of experience
49:15 What is it like to be hierarchically conscious?
1:02:06 The NOW Model in exceptional systems
1:18:12 Consciousness in the brain and body
NOW Model paper (free to download): academic.oup.com/nc/article/2024/1/niae010/7631826
Plenary #6 Talks from The Science of Consciousness 2024
ua-cam.com/video/Ng2G6wIzXPc/v-deo.html
Previous episodes of relevance:
- Episode 16 on Slow Wave Electromagnetic Mind
ua-cam.com/video/d5J0N6JLSxM/v-deo.html
- Episode 17 on Nested Hierarchical Consciousness
ua-cam.com/video/0q37UfNpCLs/v-deo.html
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#39 - The Problem with Natural Selection: exploring modern mechanisms for evolution
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In episode 39 of the quantum consciousness series, Justin Riddle explores the mechanism behind natural selection in evolution. This is not a question about humans evolving from animals, but instead is raising the question about what is the driving force behind the process of evolution. Charles Darwin described evolution as a random expression of features that are then selected by the environmen...
#38 - Reject the Multiverse: taking wave function collapse seriously
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In episode 38 of the quantum consciousness series, Justin Riddle takes on the concept of the multiverse and provides arguments for why he thinks we live in a single universe. The concept of the multiverse arose from the recognition that at the fundamental level quantum systems are splitting into different possible futures. This split in space-time reality if taken at face value implies that the...
#37 - Decorated Permutations of Conscious Agents: an interview with Donald Hoffman
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In episode 37 of the quantum consciousness series, Justin Riddle takes a deep dive into Donald Hoffman’s conscious agent model and relates it to the leading theories of quantum consciousness. The structure of this episode is an introduction to Hoffman’s model of conscious agents, then an interview with Don Hoffman in November 2022, and finally some reflections on the implications of this model....
#36 - Quantum Simulation Theory: the limitation of simulating a quantum reality
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In episode 36 of the quantum consciousness series, Justin Riddle describes the popular simulation hypothesis and discusses the implication of running the simulation using quantum computers. First off, Justin makes the argument that the foundation of the simulation hypothesis is strictly based in a digital computer framework. If the world is deterministic and digitizable, then it could in princi...
#35 - Digital AI is not Conscious: the role of quantum computers and the mind in the AI revolution
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In episode 35 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle explores the role of quantum computers in the current revolution in digital artificial intelligence (AI). First, Justin describes some of the basics of large language models at a high level. In essence, digital AI can be conceptualized as a series of weighted matrices trained by fitting and updating the weights according to patter...
#34 - In defense of freewill: three ways that consciousness might collapse the wave function
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In episode 34 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle puts forth a defense of freewill. In a deterministic universe guided by physical principles, there is no room for freewill. Surely, we must succumb to the crushing reality that our choices do not matter, that the self is an illusion, and that the very concept of time is illusory - nothing more than a social construct or hallucinat...
#33 - Testing consciousness causes collapse: an interview with Kelvin McQueen
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In episode 33 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle interviews Kelvin McQueen on his recent theory on how consciousness might collapse the wave function. Kelvin is a professor of philosophy at Chapman University who investigates the nature of consciousness and role it might play in quantum mechanics. The measurement problem in quantum mechanics is that there is a smoothly and deter...
#32 - Symmetry in Qualia: an interview with Andres Gomez-Emilsson
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In episode 32 of the quantum consciousness series, Justin Riddle interviews Andres Gomez-Emilsson, the director of research of the Qualia Research Institute. Andres is passionate about understanding qualia, which is the feeling and quality of subjective experience. In this interview, we discuss many of Andres’ theories: mathematical fictionalism, symmetry of valence theory, neural annealing as ...
#31 - Geometry of Mind: lattices, quasicrystals, and hyperbolic hallucinations
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In episode 31 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle discusses the role of geometry in our understanding of the universe. The discussion begins looking at the manifestation of geometric forms in the world around us in the form of crystals. Crystals are a cornerstone of modern technology as they increase the controllability of the physical world around us through their structure. Man...
#30 - Current Events in Orch-OR: an interview with Stuart Hameroff
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In episode 30 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle sits down with Stuart Hameroff to get an update on current events in the Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch-OR) Model. This interview took place on August 30th, 2022 in his home in Tucson, AZ. The interview covered four major topics. Our discussion of these topics is interleaved with my reaction, summary, and commentary on the...
#29 - Synchronicity: your mind is entangled with the world
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In episode 29 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle discusses the phenomenon of synchronicity and possible mechanisms through quantum mechanics that could give way to its rigorous scientific study. Synchronicity was coined by the psychologist Carl Jung and is defined as an apparently meaningful coincidence between your thought and some event in the world around you. Examples of syn...
#28 - Quantum Teleportation: a possible mechanism for life after death?
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In episode 28 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle describes how quantum teleportation works and wonders whether a quantum computer mind could be teleported out of the body. The episode begins with a discussion of the bizarre, yet common, experience of leaving one’s body during a traumatic event to observe the unfolding of events from the outside. These near-death experiences are ...
#27 - Quantum Soul: What about you survives for a lifetime?
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In episode 27 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle discusses the proposal of a quantum soul. The soul is the part of you that survives your entire lifetime. In this episode, we discuss three properties of quantum mechanics that might provide a novel solution to this age-old mystery. First of all, we discuss the curious discovery of Bose-Einstein Condensation. This state of matter ...
#26 - Heisenberg's Uncertainty in biology & knowledge
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In episode 26 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle discusses Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle: the idea that every quantum bit comprises a bit of information and a bit of entropy such that knowledge of one dimension reduced knowledge of the other. We can think of each qubit has having two perpendicular axes: zero/one and plus/minus. The state of the qubit represents a point movi...
#25 - Quantum Error Correction: why we need it and a novel theory for quantum consciousness
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#25 - Quantum Error Correction: why we need it and a novel theory for quantum consciousness
#24 - Why neuroscience needs a quantum revolution
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#24 - Why neuroscience needs a quantum revolution
#23 - Quantum Interrogation: counterfactual measurement and its implications for human thought
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#23 - Quantum Interrogation: counterfactual measurement and its implications for human thought
#22 - Quantum Zeno Effect: using your quantum mind to change your digital brain
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#22 - Quantum Zeno Effect: using your quantum mind to change your digital brain
#21 - Quantization: why movement is an illusion in our flickering universe
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#21 - Quantization: why movement is an illusion in our flickering universe
#20 - Language as Ontology: how language is fundamental to reality itself
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#20 - Language as Ontology: how language is fundamental to reality itself
#19 - Quantum Linguistics: updating our communication style to fit a quantum universe
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#19 - Quantum Linguistics: updating our communication style to fit a quantum universe
#18 - Fractal Computation: consciousness embedded within the universal fractal
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#18 - Fractal Computation: consciousness embedded within the universal fractal
#17 - Nested Hierarchical Consciousness: viewing your mind as composed of minds
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#17 - Nested Hierarchical Consciousness: viewing your mind as composed of minds
#16 - Slow-Wave Electromagnetic Mind: thinking in neural rhythms
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#16 - Slow-Wave Electromagnetic Mind: thinking in neural rhythms
#15 - Quantum Time Travel: the present moment contains quantum information from the future
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#15 - Quantum Time Travel: the present moment contains quantum information from the future
#14 - Orchestrated Objective Reduction: presenting the Hameroff-Penrose model
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#14 - Orchestrated Objective Reduction: presenting the Hameroff-Penrose model
#13 - Microtubules are Biological Computers: searching for the mind of a cell
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#13 - Microtubules are Biological Computers: searching for the mind of a cell
#12 - A Theory of Everything: how humans may find a shared understanding
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#12 - A Theory of Everything: how humans may find a shared understanding
#11 - Bayesian Inference & Quantum Computers: creating knowledge through experience
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#11 - Bayesian Inference & Quantum Computers: creating knowledge through experience

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  • @johnbocchetti2765
    @johnbocchetti2765 День тому

    Been following Hameroff and Penrose for sometime!

  • @germanic4316
    @germanic4316 День тому

    The guy creeps me out.... his gaze, his voice, his mannerisms....but i gotta see where how deep the interview goes cause I want to u understand 'Decorative Permitations' are ....cool story bro ik right.

  • @AumchanterPiLetsPlay
    @AumchanterPiLetsPlay 3 дні тому

    Rupert Sheldrake Morphic Field.

  • @petercombs4119
    @petercombs4119 3 дні тому

    Finally, an American accent. I was beginning to think narrators had to have novel European accents in order to have a UA-cam channel.

  • @Hasif613
    @Hasif613 4 дні тому

    Thank you for sharing and inspiring. Your presentation has spawned so many ideas in my head which I would like to share as we are in the same field of neuromodulations and neuropsych.

  • @joshuamartin-oz2hh
    @joshuamartin-oz2hh 4 дні тому

    Waiting for the next video. I binge all of your videos in just a week. Man you motivated me to learn about quantum science.

  • @HouseJawn
    @HouseJawn 7 днів тому

    28:30 epigenetics

  • @mma-master-race
    @mma-master-race 7 днів тому

    I have proof on my yt channel of telepathy and telekinesis

  • @PeterIntrovert
    @PeterIntrovert 7 днів тому

    I would like to see your video presentation on idea of 'songs of life and mind' that is now developing by Richard Watson. :)

  • @peterschmidt3551
    @peterschmidt3551 9 днів тому

    See Prof. Akira Furusawa's work on photonics, creating a fault-tolerant universal quantum computer architecture by generating a "2D cluster state", literally using a cylindrical 2d surface of entangled qubits.

  • @duongkstn
    @duongkstn 10 днів тому

    Mystery 4: life after death 😢😂❤

  • @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv
    @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv 11 днів тому

    Language did not evolve for communication WRONG it sure did. How can you so sure when you so obviously wrong.

  • @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv
    @EthelredHardrede-nz8yv 11 днів тому

    Learn what fundamental means. Language is a human tool and thus not fundamental to the universe.

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 12 днів тому

    But hey, this seems to me to repeat Peirce's triad! What is the difference between Peirce's Representamen (physical), Object (i.e. perception or mental) and Interpretant (i.e. meaning or Platonic) and Penrose's worlds? I see perfect correspondence.

  • @mintoo2cool
    @mintoo2cool 16 днів тому

    how is this different from freud or jung's theory of mind ?

  • @JUST-IN..MOBILEPODCAST
    @JUST-IN..MOBILEPODCAST 17 днів тому

    THE REAL SYCHRONICITY IS MY NAME IS JUSTIN ALSO AND AT FIRST I KEPT IGNORING THIS VIDEO LOL UNTIL NOW

  • @MaskedUfologistShow
    @MaskedUfologistShow 18 днів тому

    Your descriptions of Hoffman's thoughts are the best I have come across in several years now of viewing all of his stuff that was findable; with the exception of Hoffman himself of course.

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 18 днів тому

    What about ontogeny? Self definitely depends on learning and memory. Cf. Andy Clark's idea of error correction of prediction where the latter is tied up to learning and experience

  • @Abc123tyuas
    @Abc123tyuas 19 днів тому

    Bro How is everything not deterministic?

  • @hypercube717
    @hypercube717 19 днів тому

    Interesting.

  • @phulbig
    @phulbig 20 днів тому

    Great explanation of this theory! Thank you!

  • @actualrider2761
    @actualrider2761 20 днів тому

    Mutu kya bay teray moov par

  • @lancelotdufrane
    @lancelotdufrane 23 дні тому

    I’d like to share a book. SYNCHRONICITY .. Dr. Kirby Surprise. Excellent exploration into this topic.

  • @DylanWagerMusic
    @DylanWagerMusic 24 дні тому

    My middle name is Michael too haha

  • @davidelliott9661
    @davidelliott9661 25 днів тому

    The driving force of synchronicity is to find our way out of your bullshit to your life path. Synchronicity adds some adventure to at times a very dull life experience. If we didn't have these mysteries to figure out life would be very boring and have no adventure in it. Our minds are made of puzzles and puzzles can preoccupy our minds and add an interesting curve to living our life. It's just part of the awakening experience like angel numbers and ayahuasca.

  • @davidelliott9661
    @davidelliott9661 25 днів тому

    This ought to be taught in colleges and the mainstream. Tired of living in an unconscious America.

  • @Neocaridina
    @Neocaridina 26 днів тому

    Great. Now I can't get Sting's voice out of my head 😂

  • @beerobs6994
    @beerobs6994 27 днів тому

    343 guilty spark you are the oracle

  • @yesiltarla2320
    @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

    Using the dream (in Carl Young's encounter) as an example of synchronicity is incorrect. Dreams are more than just synchronistic events. They are prophecies. There are clear and detailed explanations of dreams in religion (e.g. Islam) and the roles which dreams play in our everyday lives. If we will ignore religion altogether then we'd be trying to invent the wheel and waste tremendous amount of time in vein.

  • @yesiltarla2320
    @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

    If they are meaningful, then they are not coincidences. So please refrain from using the term 'meaningful coincidences'.

  • @yesiltarla2320
    @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

    With all these aligned incidences please stop saying the word 'coincidence'. A contradiction to what you are communicating.

  • @yesiltarla2320
    @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

    What if both incidents are outside you in the physical world? Unlike many, it's not that I hear a word and think about it at the same time. I hear it being said by a person or on TV and I read it on a book or street sign at the same time. It's mindboggling and it happens in different languages as well.

    • @yesiltarla2320
      @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

      When I say in different languages, I mean something like this: I hear a word in a foreign language and at the same time I see an English word written on a street sign that is transcribed exactly the same as the foreign words. The two words sound the same if you say them out loud, but they are in different languages and have different meanings. It's very scary when this happens.... as this is a very very rare 'coincidence' and I don't know the point behind it.

  • @yesiltarla2320
    @yesiltarla2320 29 днів тому

    There's no such thing as 'coincidence'. Everything is very carefully measured and predestined for a divine wisdom by God.

  • @nicksexteriorhomemaintenan9344
    @nicksexteriorhomemaintenan9344 Місяць тому

    Wait til i tell u my experience its absolutely concerning. Alarming. On n on

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 Місяць тому

    What a pity you guys don't read each other's research! For example, there is very serious work going on in Russia. Konstantin Anokhin is in collaboration with a number of American labs. And his experiments are based on electromagnetism indeed. His theory is biologically supported (cf hypernetwork theory). Microtubules and Penrose - of course, that's how I got to your channel :). Here's a video from a conference in English www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=konstantin+anokhin+youtube#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:17efc8ac,vid:qcDTUeBCC6g,st:0

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 Місяць тому

    Well, cognitive philosopher Andy Clark's theory is based entirely on predictive processing (anticipation), check his latest The Experience Machine: How Our Minds Predict and Shape Reality (2023)

  • @clarkedavis488
    @clarkedavis488 Місяць тому

    Thank you

  • @-mwolf
    @-mwolf Місяць тому

    Awesome research!

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 Місяць тому

    Biosemiotics deals with single-cell life, cf. Jesper Hoffmeyer and Claus Emmeche

  • @robertjan002
    @robertjan002 Місяць тому

    Talk E8 to me bro.

  • @randalmoroski1184
    @randalmoroski1184 Місяць тому

    Never heard the word ‘Spiritual’ used;but seems much of what’s being explained now,is.

  • @viyoddha8840
    @viyoddha8840 Місяць тому

    Whai I understood from this that, In consciousness hierarchy, there are many thoughts, one thought becomes observer and he observes other thoughts.

  • @mirakovatcheva381
    @mirakovatcheva381 Місяць тому

    I wonder whether you'll mention Peirce's semiotics and his triad Representamen, Object and Interpretant. They seem so similar to me to physical, 1st/2nd intention and Platonic respectively.

  • @AlexKellogg-pv4qk
    @AlexKellogg-pv4qk Місяць тому

    Next time I’m in the ‘zone’ and I ‘think’ I see an insane synchronicity… in need to write it down Most the time, I see/witness an intense one, I usually go low level crazy and start looking for them too much haha But other times when I am not ‘in the zone’ I see almost none Fun stuff if you don’t drive yourself crazy

  • @viyoddha8840
    @viyoddha8840 Місяць тому

    In ignorance of natural intelligence we are creating artificial intelligence

  • @rappar9673
    @rappar9673 Місяць тому

    Don't forget that natural selection is but one of the several mechanisms of evolution, hehe

  • @beppo05
    @beppo05 Місяць тому

    FLT reference! Love it!!

  • @privateprivate1865
    @privateprivate1865 Місяць тому

    We are living in an ancestor computer simulation

  • @alexpetrovich85
    @alexpetrovich85 Місяць тому

    I like how you touch upon Paradoxical Ontologies over things being both infinitely arbitrary and universal. I feel like a lot of this maps onto the Nominalist (Arbitrary) vs. Realists (Universalists) dynamic.

  • @PaulSinghSelhi-VFX-TUTORIALS
    @PaulSinghSelhi-VFX-TUTORIALS Місяць тому

    Cosmic Censorship. The Trickster will not allow us to see how it does the tricks.