At the end he is talking about the gap between these platonic shapes and somehow how these geometries correlate with feeling or love, and how that will need to be explored more. I think taking the polymath approach and atleast somewhat diagramming it out to where music and musical grimoires meet with math. Music is like math that we listen to, and each chord or each tone does in a sense have its own feeling to it. Major thirds, minor scales, etc. so I think that some sort of link between platonic shapes and geometries sort of translate over into feeling and the ‘scale of feeling’ that our human nervous systems are continually mapping out. I feel like the platonic forms could correlate also to something like different ranges in color and all of the other aspects of creation and spectrums of it.
Finished watching now and have another comment. You said you didn’t see how the idea of our quantum wave geometry resonating with the platonic geometry could result in experiences like love and so forth. I can absolutely see how this would work. What we call love or this or that feeling are simply degrees of resonance ie how close is our geometry to the platonic geometry? The greater the resonance or the greater the harmony ‘the better it would feel’ so to speak. The feeling is like the feedback to let us know how close or far away from platonic truth that we are. It’s all vibrational frequencies of the waves being more or less aligned. This would then extend to phrases like “I just liked that persons vibe” that is a description of the two wave forms being in close resonance, which must mean the geometries of those two quantum wave forms (minds) were sufficiently similar to be noticed.
I have had this argument around meaning vs chaos with many. I do not for one moment think that anything can arise from chaos and randomness. Meaning (is not anthropocentric) is fundamental, and arises through the harmonics of number ratios whether linear, geometric, or rotational and the Grammar of systems.
13:18 I have personally experienced that there *are* things which I cannot grasp, no matter how hard I try, how much time I spend trying to understand it together with my friends who are smarter than me and love to explain, and how many times I ask my professor to elaborate. I am limited and that's okay. I guess that everybod is limited more or less, and if I am correct then you are promising too much, which might cause frustration in the end.
Meno is my favorite dialogue!! (the thesis is that all learning is *recollection*--which is inherent to the soul, which is immortal) Some books come to mind: Carlo Rovelli's "reality is not what it seems" on loop quantum gravity and "Fearful Symmetry: Is God a Geometer?" by Ian Stewart and Martin Golubitsky. Some random thoughts: I'd probably put the speed of light somewhere more mental since it's invariant (relative) to the observer. Love the phrase authority complex lol...
I think the Amplituhedron is mainly a PR exercise...Not a simplifying calculational aid. As you wisely implied, we can do the calculations ourselves in each case to see how it all operates.
I'd be curious to talk with a mathematician on the topic. I wonder how many other examples there are of this and to hear a mathematician break down how they conceptualize these abstract multidimensional spaces / categories
One of my favs so far! A thought came to me as you were discussing the amplituhedron and various ways of arriving closer to truth: Just as this geometric model offers more precision than previous methods, I wonder if transcendent visionary art applies similarly. Of course in art, we're dealing with subjectivity, but there are common geometric motifs that seem universal in describing the psychedelic experience. Perhaps these offer valuable insights towards a rigorous mathematical description of a deeper reality accessed through consciousness. Of note is the common sensation of "oneness" with everything, which in quantum mechanical terminology translates to "coherence." There are visual cues denoting this. Take for instance Alex Grey's painting, "Universal Mind Lattice." This artifact from his experience of cosmic oneness depicts a standing waveform, which if you look closely, adheres to the platonic structure of Metatron's Cube when reduced from 3 to 2 dimensions. Perhaps the psychedelic experience entails resonance with the Platonic realm Penrose suggests exists? Interestingly enough, Penrose/Hameroff's scheme of microtubules involves quantum coherence as the fundamental correlate of consciousness, which Hameroff suggests is amplified by psychedelics. Could such coherence in microtubules involve standing waveforms as depicted in "Universal Mind Lattice?" On a similar note, tubulin lattices (in neurons) have a particular geometry conforming to the phi ratio, present in Alex Grey's painting "Collective Vision." This painting strongly resembles Penrose's cross-section drawings of microtubules. It also depicts a hyperbolic, conformal geometry akin to MC Escher's "Angels and Demons," which Penrose uses to describe his eternal cosmic model. The only difference is its inversion, where the boundary condition appears "within," resembling the proverbial "light at the end of the tunnel." I brought these paintings to the attention of Penrose during his Q&A at the 2022 TSC conference. I hope he of all people has the curiosity to ponder them.
Because is not, is not; That which is, is all-inclusive, infinite, Eternal. That which is, that is nothing in particular (actual), is by definition everything in general (potential).
At the end he is talking about the gap between these platonic shapes and somehow how these geometries correlate with feeling or love, and how that will need to be explored more. I think taking the polymath approach and atleast somewhat diagramming it out to where music and musical grimoires meet with math. Music is like math that we listen to, and each chord or each tone does in a sense have its own feeling to it. Major thirds, minor scales, etc. so I think that some sort of link between platonic shapes and geometries sort of translate over into feeling and the ‘scale of feeling’ that our human nervous systems are continually mapping out. I feel like the platonic forms could correlate also to something like different ranges in color and all of the other aspects of creation and spectrums of it.
By the way, both the opening and closing music are absolutely personal... I mean, horrible... I just love them! 😊
Finished watching now and have another comment.
You said you didn’t see how the idea of our quantum wave geometry resonating with the platonic geometry could result in experiences like love and so forth.
I can absolutely see how this would work.
What we call love or this or that feeling are simply degrees of resonance ie how close is our geometry to the platonic geometry?
The greater the resonance or the greater the harmony ‘the better it would feel’ so to speak.
The feeling is like the feedback to let us know how close or far away from platonic truth that we are.
It’s all vibrational frequencies of the waves being more or less aligned.
This would then extend to phrases like “I just liked that persons vibe” that is a description of the two wave forms being in close resonance, which must mean the geometries of those two quantum wave forms (minds) were sufficiently similar to be noticed.
Thanks for the video presentation!
I have had this argument around meaning vs chaos with many. I do not for one moment think that anything can arise from chaos and randomness. Meaning (is not anthropocentric) is fundamental, and arises through the harmonics of number ratios whether linear, geometric, or rotational and the Grammar of systems.
13:18 I have personally experienced that there *are* things which I cannot grasp, no matter how hard I try, how much time I spend trying to understand it together with my friends who are smarter than me and love to explain, and how many times I ask my professor to elaborate. I am limited and that's okay. I guess that everybod is limited more or less, and if I am correct then you are promising too much, which might cause frustration in the end.
Meno is my favorite dialogue!! (the thesis is that all learning is *recollection*--which is inherent to the soul, which is immortal) Some books come to mind: Carlo Rovelli's "reality is not what it seems" on loop quantum gravity and "Fearful Symmetry: Is God a Geometer?" by Ian Stewart
and Martin Golubitsky. Some random thoughts: I'd probably put the speed of light somewhere more mental since it's invariant (relative) to the observer. Love the phrase authority complex lol...
I think the Amplituhedron is mainly a PR exercise...Not a simplifying calculational aid. As you wisely implied, we can do the calculations ourselves in each case to see how it all operates.
I'd be curious to talk with a mathematician on the topic. I wonder how many other examples there are of this and to hear a mathematician break down how they conceptualize these abstract multidimensional spaces / categories
@@JustinRiddle please record the interview and share it with us :-)
Visualization is like multi modality in artificial neural network.
One of my favs so far! A thought came to me as you were discussing the amplituhedron and various ways of arriving closer to truth: Just as this geometric model offers more precision than previous methods, I wonder if transcendent visionary art applies similarly. Of course in art, we're dealing with subjectivity, but there are common geometric motifs that seem universal in describing the psychedelic experience. Perhaps these offer valuable insights towards a rigorous mathematical description of a deeper reality accessed through consciousness.
Of note is the common sensation of "oneness" with everything, which in quantum mechanical terminology translates to "coherence." There are visual cues denoting this. Take for instance Alex Grey's painting, "Universal Mind Lattice." This artifact from his experience of cosmic oneness depicts a standing waveform, which if you look closely, adheres to the platonic structure of Metatron's Cube when reduced from 3 to 2 dimensions. Perhaps the psychedelic experience entails resonance with the Platonic realm Penrose suggests exists? Interestingly enough, Penrose/Hameroff's scheme of microtubules involves quantum coherence as the fundamental correlate of consciousness, which Hameroff suggests is amplified by psychedelics. Could such coherence in microtubules involve standing waveforms as depicted in "Universal Mind Lattice?"
On a similar note, tubulin lattices (in neurons) have a particular geometry conforming to the phi ratio, present in Alex Grey's painting "Collective Vision." This painting strongly resembles Penrose's cross-section drawings of microtubules. It also depicts a hyperbolic, conformal geometry akin to MC Escher's "Angels and Demons," which Penrose uses to describe his eternal cosmic model. The only difference is its inversion, where the boundary condition appears "within," resembling the proverbial "light at the end of the tunnel."
I brought these paintings to the attention of Penrose during his Q&A at the 2022 TSC conference. I hope he of all people has the curiosity to ponder them.
Because is not, is not; That which is, is all-inclusive, infinite, Eternal.
That which is, that is nothing in particular (actual), is by definition everything in general (potential).
😀 right 👍👍
God is consciousness.