I am watching this video with a huge grin on my face because of how coherent yet outrageous this topic is. The first thing that comes to mind is John Vervaeke suggested solution to alignment, which is to make the AI just as concerned about Truth as we are and let it stumble along the same path. I think you have given an unbelievably comprehensive explanation as to how this will occurs in a practical way in addition to the platonic context. I am compelled to do another undergrad so that i can get involved.
Love ur channel. You make things alot more digestible. I didn't go to college. Alot of video loses me when it gets into the more technical bits, but the way you formatted your videos is really great. Thank you for the work you're putting into these.
I am so excited. I love listening to educated speakers grounded in science but exploring these things. I rejected 'Woo" some time ago. It looks even more ludicrous, sad people fall for it (some good things maybe)
Would you recogniz if he told you woo? Because nearly everything he said in the video is indeed senseless woo. For starters, the idea Goedel's incompleteness theorems have anythingn to do with demonstrating why a physical computer can't compute everything. He fed you complete bogus.
I have yet to watch all your videos, but I am a subscriber. I think it doesn't matter whether AI is conscious or not, but its indistinguishable, or will soon be indistinguishable from a human. Then we would need some physical explanation for consciousness which has no way to be tested currently, but until we figure that out, AGI should be given moral consideration.
AI simulated the neuronal "algorithms" that our consciousness has access to but imo AI will hardly get consciousness. Furthermore we need permanent input of sensory information in order not to get crazy (sensory deprivation). AI does not need sensory information nor does it experience sensory deprivation because their is no consciousness. AI+QuantumComputing could lead to a consciousness machine (QM) with neural like functions (AI). Every AI tool I have seen just copies one of our neural processing mechanisms but thats still one layer beneath our consciousness because we have access to it with our consciousness - so consciousness must be something different.
If orch OR self-collapse frequency determines speed of experience - how come the bigger the animal, the lower the "experience frequency"? Insects are able to react much more quickly to things than humans - so they should have a higher "experience frequency". But their brains are much smaller compared to human brains, so their self-collapses should happen less often.
My last point is: yes it's pointless to try to understand consciousness with AI, but this doesn't mean tools like Chat GDP can't do harm and many people can do various types of cheating and societal disruption with such devices (even if we are not quite there yet) I think "moratorium" for such developments would be quite nice. We need first to self Evolve and maybe our genetically engineered grandchildren will be able to do wiser things with such devices 40 years from now. We should slow down. Why nobody is thinking about it?!
"Quantum computers are the best tool we have for studying... Quantum Computers" haha. And according to Leonard Susskind "Consciousness is something that must Evolve not be created or designed". It took biological Evolution 3,1 billion years of work to produce consciousness (counting by definition devoid of any anthropocentric biases). Some people often say about AI... "Well maybe Hameroff and guys like him are right about human mind but anyway doesn't the very fact that AI (if preprogrammed for particular situation) can even remotely resemble thinking process dies not implie consciousness?" - Well no. Because Newtonian physics, movements of star, galaxies etc. would behave in the absence of any sentient beings in that same totally algorithmic and "designed" purpose looking inteligent way, but planets orbiting the Sun are neither more nor less "conscious" than top digital AI. Cybernetics is clearly not what it takes to understand consciousness... Even genetics and Biological Evolution most likely isn't digital even if can be approximated in that way. ua-cam.com/video/aXqvQUEr6u4/v-deo.html Jim Al-Khalily hypothesized about it decade ago!
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I am watching this video with a huge grin on my face because of how coherent yet outrageous this topic is.
The first thing that comes to mind is John Vervaeke suggested solution to alignment, which is to make the AI just as concerned about Truth as we are and let it stumble along the same path. I think you have given an unbelievably comprehensive explanation as to how this will occurs in a practical way in addition to the platonic context. I am compelled to do another undergrad so that i can get involved.
Extremely underated channel. I'm binging your videos and I'm learning something new in each one
Love ur channel.
You make things alot more digestible. I didn't go to college.
Alot of video loses me when it gets into the more technical bits, but the way you formatted your videos is really great. Thank you for the work you're putting into these.
I am so excited. I love listening to educated speakers grounded in science but exploring these things. I rejected 'Woo" some time ago. It looks even more ludicrous, sad people fall for it (some good things maybe)
Would you recogniz if he told you woo? Because nearly everything he said in the video is indeed senseless woo.
For starters, the idea Goedel's incompleteness theorems have anythingn to do with demonstrating why a physical computer can't compute everything.
He fed you complete bogus.
Sorry but how do you define "free will" exactly ?
You so clearly explained how this works. Finally I understand a little. (I recently started studying linear algebra on my own)
Is the platonism you subscribe to an implication of the Quantum Mind/Orch-OR idea or is it something orthogonal to it?
I have yet to watch all your videos, but I am a subscriber. I think it doesn't matter whether AI is conscious or not, but its indistinguishable, or will soon be indistinguishable from a human. Then we would need some physical explanation for consciousness which has no way to be tested currently, but until we figure that out, AGI should be given moral consideration.
Spot on…
Who else out there is thinking along these lines???
AI simulated the neuronal "algorithms" that our consciousness has access to but imo AI will hardly get consciousness. Furthermore we need permanent input of sensory information in order not to get crazy (sensory deprivation). AI does not need sensory information nor does it experience sensory deprivation because their is no consciousness. AI+QuantumComputing could lead to a consciousness machine (QM) with neural like functions (AI). Every AI tool I have seen just copies one of our neural processing mechanisms but thats still one layer beneath our consciousness because we have access to it with our consciousness - so consciousness must be something different.
If orch OR self-collapse frequency determines speed of experience - how come the bigger the animal, the lower the "experience frequency"? Insects are able to react much more quickly to things than humans - so they should have a higher "experience frequency". But their brains are much smaller compared to human brains, so their self-collapses should happen less often.
Sorry for previously messing around. Could you please invite Shan Gao?
We don't take requests.
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super intelligent conscious i already exists, they're called corporations.
what are this kind of anwers, seriously?
My last point is: yes it's pointless to try to understand consciousness with AI, but this doesn't mean tools like Chat GDP can't do harm and many people can do various types of cheating and societal disruption with such devices (even if we are not quite there yet) I think "moratorium" for such developments would be quite nice. We need first to self Evolve and maybe our genetically engineered grandchildren will be able to do wiser things with such devices 40 years from now. We should slow down. Why nobody is thinking about it?!
oh brother 🥱
"Quantum computers are the best tool we have for studying... Quantum Computers" haha. And according to Leonard Susskind "Consciousness is something that must Evolve not be created or designed". It took biological Evolution 3,1 billion years of work to produce consciousness (counting by definition devoid of any anthropocentric biases).
Some people often say about AI...
"Well maybe Hameroff and guys like him are right about human mind but anyway doesn't the very fact that AI (if preprogrammed for particular situation) can even remotely resemble thinking process dies not implie consciousness?"
- Well no. Because Newtonian physics, movements of star, galaxies etc. would behave in the absence of any sentient beings in that same totally algorithmic and "designed" purpose looking inteligent way, but planets orbiting the Sun are neither more nor less "conscious" than top digital AI. Cybernetics is clearly not what it takes to understand consciousness...
Even genetics and Biological Evolution most likely isn't digital even if can be approximated in that way.
ua-cam.com/video/aXqvQUEr6u4/v-deo.html
Jim Al-Khalily hypothesized about it decade ago!
damn ur annoying lol
Daniel Ray Waters Hazelton Ortiz=DRWHO a zany letters realization=Antenatal lies a zero ritzy DRWHO
I have many more anagrams and even a question that answers itself with anagrams!
Can I send a message to myself from future?=Yes I can memo datum offers gratefulness!