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We play each other often enough so that there’s no pressure to play a certain way.. we were warming up for an event so perhaps he had that in mind

Cheers man, glad you like it

Yes, well spotted. We played that wrong.

Black Orc chariots are strong, especially with all the chariot runners on the list. Their biggest weaknesses IMO: 1) Low wound density for points, so very weak to screams 2) No swiftstride, no warband, makes these slower than the rest of army. Personally like them as a character mount. Really good armor, high wounds, add a defensive item and a great weapon and you have a blender lord who ignores killing blow and monster slayer.

@@avocadoarmadillo7031 do you recon black orc chariots don’t have much more damage output than a regular orc chariot then. Working on my first list so I am trying to decide if they are worth taking.

I think they're solid but a bit overcosted.. same price as a wyvern. They hit hard on the charge, but without swiftstride and warband they are less likely to get that charge. I think personally I just prefer more units overall. It is roughly 3 orc chariots (or 5 goblin chariots) for the price of 2 black orc chariots. More high strength attacks is always nice though..

As I understand it, Split Profile means that any rule applied to the Model actually applies to both models, unless the Rule specifically says that only one model on the split profile is affected. Edit: The direct answer to your question is “Yes, since that’s what the rules say to do.”

​@@jaydub1112Sorry, this sounds confrontational, but it's a genuine question; Who are you? The author of the video or the tournament organizer? Your are absolutely right that it is RAW what the rule says, at least for now. I just highly doubt that is the intention with regards to previous editions.

Nope, I’m just a subscriber to the channel ;) no confrontation implied or detected. As I’m not the video author or the TO, it’s a valid question that I admittedly can’t answer. It’s just a bit of funky rule interaction jank that I enjoy. Perhaps it would have been better to keep my nose out of it 😅

@@jaydub1112 No worries. I'm just curious about if tournaments allow this.

Yes, those are the rules! Contrary to previous editions of course..

O yea two fast close combat armies with no shooting is always carnage

Not easy to kill though…

It won't always work, for example if a unit is wheeling to make a charge and runs out of movement to maximise. Or if the base size is smaller (so a hero on a 40mm or smaller base might not have to charge both giants)

Yes the only reason you can wheel is to bring more models into base to base. I don’t think it should be played like that personally as if there was an obstacle (or enemy unit) which was partially in the way you would wheel around it to charge your target. It’s one of those things that is too niche to be faqd and won’t come up for most people.

@@d6wounds I think it's potentially a very big discovery because the most competitive players will deliberately play for it once they realise it. Two characters together, or a monster and a character, will be able to mutually defend each other by placing beside each other. Certainly my Monster slayer Duke is very interested in this, and has announced he will be landing in precisely these places!

@@DrBlaxill Off topic, but have you seen the Chaos release? I think we briefly discussed before what we didn't really want to see and as it turns out there doesn't appear to be anything to worry those of us with our old-fashioned collectors' hats on. At least not so far...

@@ClydeMillerWynant Yes I observed this- no rereleases of the old champions of chaos! In fact, rather a damp squib model wise- nothing new whatsoever, and also nothing old! I hope we see skullcrushers supported in the AJ, but that seems unlikely from what they've said. However it is intriguing they are delving into Storm of Magic and Monstrous Arcanum to fish out Giant Chaos Spawn, Warpfire Dragon, and maybe Skin Wolves. More monster focus I suspect... I think Chaos could really do with a change up, there are certain things which are so much better than other things in the existing list that the games are getting dull (forsaken, dragon ogres, dog lines, and heroes are the entirety of what I am fielding competitively- and it's getting boring...!)

Have you got the rule reference for that? We looked through flying, overrun, pursuit etc and couldn't see anything to stop it!

Cheers man. Do you have a page reference for that?

Thanks. The advantage of having the chariots separate is so they can be used as throwaway chaff. They also don’t panic each other as they are unit strength 3. If they were in one unit and one dies to shooting then the others would run away.

Thank you. O yes the warboss with ogre blade was definitely the mvp. Every list needs something with multi wound capability, in my opinion, to deal with monstrous units. The dwarfs are work in progress. I’m not sure how I want to play them in OW yet!

Yes, it's in the orc arcane journal

@@samgibbs8194 ooh I see. It is an old world game mode or something? Did it exist back in 8th edtion??

@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Its Old World. In 8th Chaos Warriors can take trolls as core if they use Throgg the troll king so thats probably the closest!

@@samgibbs8194 thanks!!!

@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Both armies in this game come from lists in what's called an 'Arcane Journal'. It's a bit like an old WFB army book, but because you've already got the main 'Grand Army' list in a separate book (Ravening Hordes which has the main lists for all the 'evil' factions) the lists in it are sort of specialist ones. Each faction gets two in it's Arcane Journal though not all of them have been released yet by any means. The stars perhaps aligned a bit for one of the Orc and Goblin ones to be a troll army. Old World is based around old models and some that have definitely stood the test of time and lots of people would be keen to buy are the old Stone and River Trolls. The Troll Hag is of course more recent but was also something most people probably wouldn't have so an easy sell. The main Orc and Goblin list also gives so much choice (arguably it maybe isn't restrictive enough) that some more obvious things like a Night Goblin army can be done from that anyway. As you can see from this battle the lists do look to be quite a lot of fun. The main list is good too, perhaps the only downside of them viewed as a whole is that there's very little incentive for anyone to run any standard Orcs or Goblins other than Boarboyz, Chariots and maybe War Machines.

You sound like you would appreciate our podcast called The Spirit of the Game (look back through my videos)

Cheers, glad you like it 🤙

Cheers! Yes I agree boar boyz best cav in the game for their points.

Thanks buddy, it was my friends battle mat but so not sure where it’s from..

The Duke then redirected his charge into the wyvern who chose to hold. So it was a failed charge in the end. Sorry if that wasn’t clear in video!

Cheers, glad you like it

Yea they’re not bad. The ambush is more reliable and kiknik has a decent output and he’s ld8. It’s just a lot of points for a unit that will probably die if it gets charged. Let me know how it goes if you use him..

@@d6wounds will do, thanks! I’m trying to get some skirmish games going, but USA doesn’t have the same tournament scene as I’ve spotted on UA-cam

Cheers man

Cheers dude. The bedazzling helm was on my general on boar 🐗 🤙

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@@d6wounds cheers! Lovely army!

Thanks:)

Hmm nah I think it would be an arcane item if it were meant for Wizards only. I think that bit of the sentence just means you can’t use a wizardly dispel and use the green amulet on the same spell.

@simoneengelleitner947: Rules said: "If the bearer (and any unit they have joined) is the target of an enemy spell, they may use the Glowy Green Amulet instead of making a Wizardly dispell attempt....". For me the bearer is not doing a wizardly dispell attempt, so it should work. But maybe it was clarified in a FAQ. Greetings:)

It works as is. No faq or wizard bearer required.

Thanks buddy, I hope to do a podcast soon...

Thanks

Glad you like it

Cheers buddy 🤙

Cool, be interesting to see your list and how you get on. I like wolf riders and really enjoy painting them but not found a way to use them yet!

@@d6wounds yeah it’s a doubles game. 1000 pt per player. I have settled on this list. But I am wondering if having access to killing blow is worth the extra points investment. === Orc & Goblin Tribes [999 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Nomadic Waaagh! === ++ Characters [475 pts] ++ Orc Warboss [340 pts] - Hand weapon - Heavy armour - Shield - General - Wyvern - Trollhide Trousers - Bigger - Choppier Axe Goblin Oddgit [135 pts] - Hand weapon - Level 2 Wizard - Giant Wolf - Buzgob's Knobbly Staff - Waaagh! Magic ++ Core Units [379 pts] ++ 10 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [127 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Cavalry spears - Light armour - Close Order - Horde (no Open Order and Skirmishers) - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 5 Orc Boar Boy Mob [125 pts] - Hand weapons - Cavalry spears - Heavy armour - Shields - Big 'Uns - Vanguard (0-1 per 1000 points) - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician 10 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [127 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Cavalry spears - Light armour - Close Order - Horde (no Open Order and Skirmishers) - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer - Musician ++ Special Units [145 pts] ++ 5 Orc Boar Boy Mob [145 pts] - Hand weapons - Cavalry spears - Heavy armour - Shields - Boss (champion) - Standard bearer [Da Banner of Butchery] - Musician --- Created with "Old World Builder" [old-world-builder.com]

Yes, white dwarf 221 I believe? It's an epic battle report indeed!

I agree with you about the comp. 8th was never balanced even with the comp system. I too expect GW to further balance OW. Some things need balancing, like dragons, maybe the vampire screams. They have already done so a little with fanatics for example. That said I still believe the 8th ruleset is superior. The only truly broken thing about the game was Purple Sun and the death magic lore attribute.

..the boar boyz were within the minimum range to counter charge the knights. In the end I was saved by the other unit of knights that were further away!

Yes this is true. However in this battle the warboss used his rallying cry special rule to rally the shaman at the start of turn phase. 🤙

@@d6wounds Right, that works :)