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@@VRSimWizard Thank you for the comment and insight. I actually did try the Yaw 3 so that is my only Yaw experience. The question isn't if yaw is important... It is if 360 yaw is really needed, or is the limited yaw from say a DOF Reality rig enough? As for the wireless headset, the issue with that is all the high end VR Headsets that most simmers prefer are all wired, so Quest 3 is really your only option and that is not good enough for a lot of enthusiasts (I personally think the Quest 3 is the best value in VR currently, but I can understand why others want more for sure). Yaw will certainly have an audience, just not sure who it is best for yet.

What do you mean I glossed over it? 14:50 That was one of the main points of the video is using the Binbok to extend the battery life... doesn't matter if you are sim racing or roomscale VR so I'm a bit confused what you wanted me to answer? Just to be clear, worst case in Mixed Reality you get over 3 hours with the headset and the battery so plan another 2 on top of that with the second battery... and in VR only (sim racing for example) you will get even longer. Hope that clears it up and thanks for watching.

Ya it should be good in that one... we will see how MSFS2024 looks, but personally I think graphics in MSFS2020 were shit if you are close to the ground (they do look great at 5000 feet) but my house looks like a weird blob when I buzz it... hoping MSFS2024 is better. Thanks for the comment.

Well I cheated with modifications so I'm actually getting the same range as the H3 (21 degrees total pitch). You can see the mods if you look at the Motion Platform Playlist on the channel. ua-cam.com/play/PLQLoIjq0cB4fhvYX5i9KSa1FoK1Z87Sn-.html&si=1j07rxM551sBoSul Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for watching.

I was thinking about your question last night and realized I didn't really give you a good answer to the heart of what you were asking for an unmodified rig so let me give it another shot. Yes you will notice the lower range of motion from the H3 BUT what you gain in Surge and Sway and especially Heave more than makes up for it (ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE SIM RACING!). Those extra axis add so much to the driving experience that I wouldn't trade them for the world. Now in flight, I really like the surge for the carrier launch and trap, and with wake turbulence coming to MSFS2024, it will certainly add a lot there as well. The heave is critical for landings as you feel the aircraft touch the ground. So again you will notice the lower movement BUT the tradeoff is 100% worth it in my opinion. Hope that helps.

@@GYGOtv Thanks, I really appreciate your replies! What you said makes sense and is along the lines of what I was thinking. I think I'd love a 6 DOF rig. Now, if only we can get a 50% discount code so I can pounce on it. 🤔 😅 🥺

@@DMan-ud6btSorry, I can only help with 5% 😁. Hope it works out for you as it is an amazing experience. Don't forget you can start with an H3 and upgrade it as finances allow. Some motion is better than no motion. Thanks for watching!

Ya, I enjoyed the laugh after the cat launch... I know the feeling... at least in the rig that is. Thanks for the comment.

Great question, thank you for taking the time to write it. So I personally don't think the VR1 (or any non-OLED screen) will ever give me the black/blacks that I really want. If Artur sends me one to test once they sort that I'll for sure give you my honest opinion but I don't expect that to happen... Realistically I'm too small a channel. I just don't think the VR1 is anything really that more special than our other high end headsets and I am really suspicions of the dual lens design for glare (again I'd love to test it to find out for sure). My impression was it was just like the Varjo Aero visuals with a bigger FOV, which isn't a bad thing, but not sure worth that much money to me. I personally am not interested in the Mixed Reality for the price because if you mask your cockpit (even with a 100% replica) you are still not going to match the lighting effects of the sim in your room. Imagine flying at night in the game but looking down at your controls and they are all lit up with daylight... immersion breaker for me so I'll pass on that part. I've pretty much decided I'm not buying another VR Headset without OLED, so that means maybe the MaganeX or the Pimax Crystal Super OLED... and you know how I feel about Pimax. We will see and I can only hope that Deckard is closer than we think and that maybe it will be the headset I've been waiting for... of course I won't hold my breath on that, but one can dream right? Thanks again for the question.

@@GYGOtv Thanks GYGO. Really interesting. I think im in the same boat as you, and will wait. I see Maganex are taking pre-orders (gulp) !! Again, think i'll just wait and see what transpires. They state no FOV either. I like how its a subsidiary of panasonic, perhaps great things are just around the corner. A waiting game.

@@PaulMcDonagh-rv6vc I'm sure both the MaganeX and the Pimax OLED will be around 100 FOV is my guess. The big thing with the MaganeX is I'll have to use on ear headphones and I really prefer the off ear, which is a point for Pimax. Like you said, we will wait and see. Thanks for the reply.

I think that would for sure... unfortunately it looks like most belts are designed for racing so they don't have lots of flight effects like that. Maybe that will change in the future as I've wanted belts like that for awhile now. Fingers crossed and thanks for the comment.

I know, was a long time to get it coordinated but was awesome to have Pooch here to try it out. I think he liked it! Keep up the great videos on your channel as well, really enjoying them!

It is nice to be able to sneak a peek at the outside world once in awhile but I personally don't like the Mixed Reality setup where you can see your rig... I'm all about immersion and even if you have a replica of the cockpit you still aren't going to match the lighting conditions of the sim. Imagine flying at night but having all your cockpit lit by daylight... Immersion killer for sure. This is not a popular opinion and most other people love the idea of mixed reality... just not me. Thanks for the question.

WOW, that is a nice motion rig isn't it? Congrats! Not sure if your rig has motion compensation built in or not but I'm working on a video on this exact subject. Are you using lighthouse tracked VR or a Quest 3? That will make a big difference how you can implement it. Let me know and I'll try to explain more. Thanks for watching.

That is the great thing, you can built it to suit your needs. I don't think I've had 6'4" people in mine but I've had several around 6'1" or so. I have a slider seat so I can adjust to fit just about everybody. If it was your rig you could do the same. Thanks for the question, hope this helps and please let me know if I can answer any others you might have.

LOL, I wish I could help you there. Too bad games like Candy Crush don't have telemetry... then maybe you would have a chance? Good Luck, hope you can get some traction with that soon.

Certainly agree with your point of view... except the part about finding another hobby LOL :) Thanks for the comment.

Yes you can mount a center stick.. the rig has mounting points all over it. It would just be hard to climb in and out for me on mine because I put a larger seat than most people have in theirs and I have that steering wheel mount in front. A lot of center stickers don't even use the front mount which makes it much easier to climb over the stick. I likely will do a Center Stick at some point... just trying to decide if I want Force Feedback too. Thanks for the question.

O' believe me a Belt Tensioner has been on my list for awhile. The issue is a finding good way to mount it to the H6 since it isn't an extruded aluminum frame to attach to. Will figure something out as I really want that effect! Thanks for the comment.

You are welcome... did you notice him make sure his head was back and deep breaths before the cat launch? I was thinking, yep his body remembers what is about to happen. It was great having him here!

I HATE any kind of motion smoothing so I don't run it. Just warps stuff to me. DCS I'm just running whatever is stock... not sure if that is Quad Views or not? I did notice the Dynamic Foveated Rendering is working so is that Quad View in action? DCS already runs good so I really haven't had the need to tweak it. Thanks for watching.

Ya, sorry about that. I recorded it various ways and this was the best version that you could at least hear us both. I had the mic sitting between Pooch and I and I think I just talk louder so that was why you hear me more. The problem is my lapel mic only has one input so I need to invest in a dual input system which I'll look into. I just can't afford one right now and I seldom need it... but I'm needing it more and more I see. Hope you still enjoyed the video regardless.

O Hell No, I'm lucky I don't have that issue very often. They actually read the telemetry and speed up and slow down based on how fast you are going in your vehicle. I don't use them much when flying (unless I'm in an open cockpit plane) but where they shine is in racing and on roller coasters (amazing immersion there). Just one more piece to the immersion puzzle. If you want to know more, I talk about them here: ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html Thanks for the question.

Man if you can email me some photos (or put them on my discord), I'd love to see that setup. That VPForce Rhino is a beast for sure. Thanks for sharing.

@@GYGOtv will do!

Thanks for the suggestion. Ya I know better throttles have the detents... my problem is I REALLY LIKE slider throttles vs. arching style throttles. I haven't seen a slider version yet with detents. Honestly not an issue for me, I use the motion of the platform to feel when I'm in burner, and then you can always look at the FF to verify as well. I totally get how this would mess a real pilot up though. Appreciate you watching.

​@@GYGOtv VKB said that they'll make one, but their development times are really, really long.

@@aapje I'll certainly keep an eye out for it. Thanks for the info.

Thanks for watching Dave. It was awesome to get some feedback on how my rig feels to an actual pilot. I've spent years refining the motion profile and I thought it was pretty good, of course you never know if you are right or not. I think Pooch has convinced me to go to "Rate" on the rolls, but I'm going to keep the pitch on "Angle" and see how that feels to me. Appreciate the comment.

Isn't that how everyone lands on the carrier? :) LOL what is funny is I can come in lined up perfect, right AOA and everything and I bolter half the time. I come in all crazy (not quite as crazy as Pooch did) and I typically catch the wire. In my case it is always better to be lucky rather than good. Thanks for watching.

Great question! For racing the H6 Hands down is the way to go if you can afford it. In fact I'd pick an H6 over the Yaw 3 every time... The extra 3 axis on the H6 make a huge difference for almost everything, and honestly that 360 yaw feels more gimmicky to me and the H6 has enough yaw to get the feeling right as you saw in the video when Pooch was taxiing. The only BIG deal is that pitch back on the Yaw 3, you can't match that and it was a great feeling... but not great enough to overcome the other limitations compared to the H6 in my opinion. NOW the tricky question is when you start comparing the Yaw 3 to the H3. I feel like the H3 is FAR more stable, takes up less room, but since they are both 3DOF rigs, the Yaw obviously beats it on Pitch and 360 Spin (which again isn't that big a deal except maybe for helicopters or roller coasters). The other thing I worry about is the mounting options on the Yaw. They have that plate that comes up between your legs and that limits center stick stuff... you could remove it but then you got to come up with a solution if you want a steering wheel or other things in your cockpit, just doesn't seem like great mounting options yet for the Yaw, but that can come in time. I also worry a little about the durability because I know they Yaw 2 had some issues in that department. I have to also mention the Yaw3 had some delivery issues in the past as well, I guess the bottom line is the Yaw3 is more expensive but if you are willing to pay the extra, the Yaw3 will give you a bit more motion over the H3. I just don't know if that extra cost is worth what you get and I do think the H3 is the best value out of the 2. I hope that answers your question?

@@GYGOtv Thank you!

@@brendanriley2676 You are welcome, please let me know if you have any other questions.

Ya it is expensive in general, but it is actually one of the most affordable when you start looking at how much other motion platforms cost. Realistically you can get an H2 for about the price of a high end video card, and that will give you a great experience as well. You don't have to start off with an H6 like I did and I'd tell everyone that "any motion is better than no motion." Thanks for the comment.

Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching! My door is always open if you find yourself here in Colorado. Would love to throw you in it as well and get your impressions vs. your H2. Hard to believe we ever did this on flat screens with controllers mounted to our desks! What a great time to be a sim enthusiast!

You just want me to look more like GabeN don't you? I'm on to your tricks. Sorry, Brenda would never go for that and she is the one that I listen to in this department. Nice try though. :)

Yep Discord link is in the description, but I have to admit I don't get on there as much as should. If you are interested in learning more about tuning, be sure to watch our 2 part series on it here: ua-cam.com/video/pzi8G7T9p7A/v-deo.html and part 2 here: ua-cam.com/video/LSStkqpIX_M/v-deo.html That info will still give you a good baseline understanding. We also do "Patreon Only Flights" with all my Patreon "Enthusiast" members and higher once a month so that has been pretty cool too. Lastly, you can ask any questions you have here as well, I try to always answer all the questions that pop up. Thanks for watching.

I think a center stick and actual F/A-18 Throttle would have made all the difference. He certainly would have been more comfortable with that. That said, he still did a great job adapting and I was really impressed how well he managed all the little differences. Thanks for watching.

@@GYGOtv Thanks for the awesome content!

@@mobius_d1Thank you again for watching and commenting. Really appreciate it.

Same 😂

He definitely got into some control oscillation.

Ya I think that was the whole side stick, not enough fine control that you get from a center stick. His muscle memory was probably working against him there.

Yeah the stick is something that doesn’t exist irl. Think about it, either the pivot point is really low and there is a lot of feel in the stick like F-14/15/18 or you got force induced like F-16/F35 when it’s short. There is a reason that you don’t find this long throw / short stick setup irl. That’s also the reason the dcs tankers are essentially 20mm targets for 80% of the community. Their human machine interface isn’t up to the job at all.

@@wash_out Totally makes sense. But I thought the F-16 moved a little bit in the newer jets?

Thanks, appreciate you watching.

@@GYGOtv im very interested on the products, can a complete cockpit be mounted in the h6 ?

@@FGCH03 I've seen people do it, but not recommended. The more weight you put on it the less responsive it will be. The new motors are pretty good at handling panels and accessories but I don't think I'd recommend a full frame. You shouldn't need it though, the DOF has a frame designed for it. Please let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for the comments.

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

You are not wrong... it is just a matter of being able to climb in with that thing in there. I've flown other rigs with the center stick and man what a difference in the ability to control the aircraft! The question now is do I look at Force Feedback as well? So many things I want to add, unfortunately the bank book keeps telling me no. :) Thanks for watching!

His rig deserves 3. The center on for some. But the right and left so he can do some space fun.

His rig deserves 3. The center on for some. But the right and left so he can do some space fun.

@@foxhole99 Wouldn't that be great.. just can't afford it... Did I mention the Patreon and Super Thanks buttons? :) But honestly I've tried HOSAS and didn't like it much. I'm still a throttle in my left hand kind of guy. But I get where you are coming from. Thanks for the comment.

I'm aware of them, honestly I'm pretty happy with my setup as it is but might look more into it for the center mount that you mention. it is just a problem with the cords on my HOTAS, they are built in so it isn't as simple as just unplugging from the unit to change things. Plus I have to decide if I want to go Force Feedback now as well so I'm still in limbo over the center stick deal. We will see. Thanks for the suggestion.

AGAIN... Thanks... I keep trying to make it permanent... Try this one discord.gg/WqrV8UvYCM it should work. I'm really bad at Discord.

Yes for sure, but let me try to help here so you don't have to wait. I've taken a ride in the front seat of the Apache a few times now (I've tried to fly it but it always ends up in the dirt so skill is lacking for sure on my part). I can tell you that Heave is a huge thing in a helicopter so personally I wouldn't even consider the Yaw until they have a heave module (that they have talked about in the past). The heave makes the ground solid when you land and it is impressive, plus it also gives you that swoopy feeling as you move up and down which is also great in a chopper. The other axis that is fun is the sway side to side which you won't have in the Yaw. Honestly, I think if you were debating an H3 vs. the Yaw3 then it might be worth waiting to see BUT an H6 vs. the Yaw, I think the H6 offers a lot more... just keep in mind you are losing that 360 spin... but honestly there is enough yaw in the H6 that you get a similar effect. Hope that helps and please let me know if you have any other questions about this that I might be able to help with... I know it is a big purchase! Remember we also have the discount code which should help too.

I own the H3 and primarily fly helicopters and absolutely love it. While it doesn't have actual heave up and down and left and right, it decently mimics it with roll and pitch (i.e. when I lift straight off the ground the rig momentarily tips back quickly, making you feel the lift off). I will most likely end up upgrading to the H6 in the future, but am already extremely happy.

@@PoorYurik For sure, I was so impressed by the H3 when I finally got to try it at the FSExpo this year. How does it feel in the H3 when you land? In the H6 it feels like you hit something solid.

​@@GYGOtvthanks so much for the reply and info. What physical space do you need to comfortably accommodate the H6?

@@alanharrington Mine is in a 5x6 foot nook and works pretty good there so I'd recommend that (you could probably get away with a little less but I wouldn't go too small). Also, don't forget the discount code if you go for one... will really help the channel and save you a few bucks too. Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for watching.

You are welcome, it was a blast to do! Was awesome to see that grin on Pooch's face when he launched off the catapult! Thank you for watching.

I set mine to rate for roll and then kept it at angle for pitch. I did have to move the max telemetry from 10 to 30 because it was just too aggressive and I thought I might break something. I still want angle for pitch so I know when I'm pointed at the dirt during a dogfight if my head is looking out the top of the canopy. If you try the change, let me know what you think. Thanks for watching.

@@GYGOtv dirt rally 2 is at the top of the hill for violent motion. The first time I tried it, i couldnt last a full minute. What're u doing for motion compensation. I've covered cameras on the left side of my hp reverb g2. It has helped with the view from jumping around, but now it has introduced a slow drift of the view, which isnt as annoying, i just reset the vr view after some time. I tried the witmotion, but that device cant handle translational motion, which the h6 has. So surge, heave and sway confuses it. Also, its extremely tedious to setup in steam. And you have to repeat the process every time you bootup the pc and turn on steam.

@@carniv0rous Ahh yes Motion Compensation... I have a video in the works on that, I promise (actually that is the next one I plan to finish). So MC is really difficult with Inside Out tracking, I don't know if you plan to get a new headset since the HP G2 is no longer going to work with the latest Windows Update, but if you do, try to get either a Lighthouse based tracking system or a Quest 3 and I have a solution for them. I use controller based tracking with the controller mounted behind my head and it works 99% of the time. It really is the best option right now for 6DOF rigs. If you are running OpenXR you can have the software start automatically so you don't have to mess with setup every time... unfortunately you still do have to manually start it each time in OpenVR (SteamVR) but it is just a simple checkbox in the app once you have it set up so no really big deal. The big thing is if you run a Transducer (Buttkicker) then you also have to worry about vibrations as that makes the view shake like crazy. Let me know if you run one and I can give you more options as well. Hope that helps.

@@GYGOtv I am aware of the hpg2 sunsetting soon. I am waiting for the pimax crystal super.

@@carniv0rous Yep, I'm interested in the OLED version of that. Consider getting a Lighthouse Faceplate with it so you can do proper Motion Comp if you get one. Obviously you will need lighthouses and controller/tracker too so keep an eye out for deals as Christmas approaches.

Well you have a rig so I can't really argue, I agree it is fun, but there is nothing like actually doing it IMO... an amazing feeling! Thanks for the comment!

Exactly!

Thank you, I do appreciate the viewers I already have. I'll keep putting out content and hopefully it will continue to grow. When I started I couldn't believe anyone would be interested in what I had to say, and now here we are over 5000 subscribers. Thanks for watching.

You are welcome, thanks for watching!

LOL, ya I wish he would have mentioned it to me when it was happening... Actually what happened was BOTH OpenXRMC AND OpenVRMC were working at the same time (which I had no idea it would stack like that! I thought it would only work on whatever the Headset was using). SO one was working correctly and then the other one was compensating again on top of it. If you notice the MC is actually backward where the cat shot slides his view forward instead of back. If you listen closely after he gets shot down, you can hear "Tracker Motion Lost" 7:21 which is the OpenXRMC turning off. From that point forward everything was fine as you can see from the carrier landing etc. He did mention it to me after that first sortie but then when I checked with him again he noticed it wasn't doing it anymore so for sure that was it. The thing I learned is not to have OpenXRMC automatically start... but who knew they would double up? Great observation and thanks for watching.

@@GYGOtv yeah that really takes me out of it when it's not working properly. There's a long laundry list of things that need to be done before letting somebody get in and go flying, it's hard to get all of them checked off. One of my customers in my business was a helicopter instructor, my system wasn't done and now I want to contact him and have him try it out and see what he thinks but I can't remember who the customer was lol.

@@WilliamDeanPlumbing The funny thing was I flew all morning in the rig for our Patreon Only flight and didn't have any issues... Murphy's Law right... as soon as Pooch gets in, that happens. When he launched off the deck I was so focused on him not moving through the back of the seat to make sure I saw MC was working... didn't even think about it being reversed like that. O'well at least it fixed itself and he didn't experience that all day.

It is a standard dropdown setting at the bottom of the SRS motion profile screen. No extra software needed. You can choose between Rate and Angle independently for pitch and roll.

Because while the F18 is accelerating forward, his body is independent of the airframe and therefore in relation to the airframe his body is perceived to move backwards....Mark has it tuned correctly

I've had this question before and I tried it the other way and it just feels wrong. I raced dragsters for many years in my life so I'm quite familiar with the sensation of accelerating. Great question though, and thanks for watching.

@@GunPilot Thanks GunPilot, I bet you get asked this on your channel too huh?

From time to time....question I get a bit more frequently is why there seems to be a slight lag between joystick movement and the H3 reacting.....when in vr on the H3 there is no noticeable lag for me yet video tends to show a bit of lag....any suggestions as to why this perceived lag shows in vid?

@@GunPilot I think it is the lag from the recording software... I never see it when in VR. Obviously Pooch didn't notice any either.

Hey Gunpilot?

​@GYGOtv posted an earlier comment inviting you to join me and my crew Fri night but it does not show up....scratching my head

@@GunPilot If it has a link, UA-cam doesn't seem to like that. You can always put it in my Discord too (link in the description).

appreciate it!

Thanks, One of my favorite videos for sure! Never would have thought an actual F/A-18 pilot would ever take a spin in my rig when we built it 3 years ago. Pretty cool stuff! Thank you for watching.