I Got To Try The YAW 3: Initial Impressions
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- After years of wanting to try the YAW Motion Simulator, I finally got my chance to take a ride on the latest offering from YAW VR, the YAW 3. The YAW 3 is a refined version of the YAW 2 and was unlike any motion simulator I have tried before. What did I think of the motion? Would I recommend this for you? I talk about all this in the video, I hope you enjoy!
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0:00 - Intro
1:38 - Thoughts and Feelings of the YAW 3
3:00 - The YAW 3 Experience at Flight Sim Expo 2024
4:54 - Perfect for Helicopter Pilots?
5:42 - YAW 3 Footbox and Downward Pitch Angle
6:20 - Flying in the YAW 3
8:29 - Overall YAW 3 Experience
9:15 - Concerns About the YAW 3
11:52 - Final Thoughts on the YAW 3
12:53 - YAW VR's Delivery and Financial Issues
13:49 - Closing
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As an owner of the yaw 2. The rotation is amazing for traction loss in cars as you really feel the weight of the car when you say spin 180 or catching a slide but agree on the use in planes. Helicopters though do benefit. Also, I mounted a full gt omega alu profile to mine and it's so much better.
Wow that is a lot of weight isn't it? It handles it well?
@@GYGOtv I had to reinforce the flat base where the seat normally goes as it did bend a bit but that was from using that bloody app to test with me in it and I slid my finger on the pitch and it went way too fast up in to the air before my finger slipped and slammed me down again. I then bent it back and drilled lots of wholes to put the alu profile all the way across it and not had an issue since. The new yaw 3 should be even better too as more power than the standard yaw 2
@@MusicByNumbersUK Wow sounds like you put some work into it. I'd love to see what it looks like... if you don't mind please email me a photo or 2 to gygomail@gmail.com. I'm still learning all about the YAW stuff!
Thanks Mark for the 1st impression. Glad you got to try it. Maybe a good rubber matt may stop the base sliding but I also noticed it lifting on occasion with the aggressive motion. My main deterant with the H3 is the lack of tilt angle for climb and descent, which I'm guessing is slightly negated in VR. The YAW seem more than adequate with this. I hope you are provided with a YAW review unit.
Thanks TDub! I think the big question is if the increased pitch angle of the YAW is worth sacrificing the stability of the H3, and that is a big toss up right now. I can tell you, unless the YAW just amazes me, I can't see me trading off my H6 for it... I think you would give up too much just to get that extra pitch, but we will see.
Use a washing machine stand....works perfectly and will lift the footrest off the ground. Recommend one rated for 1700lbs
When you mentioned " I dont think you can do yaw rotation when you have a yolk" You can do 360 via wireless usb there is a raspi built in the 3 I installed one as well on my Yaw2
How is the latency on that? I always get worried with wireless... it always seems to fail right as I'm coming in for a carrier landing or something equally as important.
Then why not used?......
@@GunPilot That was kind of my question too GunPilot... if it had it why didn't they show it?
@@GYGOtv was the wifi good at the expo? If not that would be a reason not to use it.
@@KydDynoMyte_ Ours worked, but we were just hitting the website, not controlling things with it.
Hey Mark, cool vid. We discussed the yaw3 at your booth on Friday heading into FSEXPO. I definitely see potential here after trying it out myself. Looking forward to seeing an update review before pulling the plug.
Ya we will see if I end up with a demo unit. I feel like it and the H3 might each have advantages but my gut feeling is the DOF Reality H6 is still going to give a much superior experience. Of course I'll keep an open mind but that is what my gut is telling me right now. Thanks for the comment!
Hey hey I love my *salad bowl* Yaw1 😂
You must be younger than me LOL, That thing would kill my back after while. Us old guys need more support! Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you enjoy your original YAW!
Great video! I'm actually a kickstarter in the 200s and still waiting for mine. Even though it's been three years, I'm happy to hear we'll be getting an upgraded version hopefully this year. I think the backward pitch is the real seller here as no other motion unit can replicate that. Crossing fingers us kickstarters will be receiving soon!
I'm sure YawVR appreciates your patience for sure. Talking to Zsolt it sounded like things were ramping up so hope you get yours soon. I can't imagine waiting that long for something as cool as this. I know my H6 was a game changer for me and my simming experience. Hope it is the same for you!
I’m in the same boat, or plane lol! My backer number is in the 700s. Three years and still waiting is indeed a long time. I would imagine that some elderly backers may have passed away already. 😬
@@kennykanada Well I hope you stick around long enough to enjoy yours once you get it. It is like waiting for Star Citizen to get finished so I kinda understand :)
Great job Mark, coming in your stream to discuss further
If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer. Thanks for watching.
Great first impressions Mark and some great points made. Very intriguing. All being well, I'll hopefully get a review unit in the future.
Thanks for watching as always. We really missed you at the Expo... Hope to meet you in the real world someday my friend!
@@GYGOtv I'm so gutted that I couldn't attend. But I'm sure we will have the opportunity to share a few beers together in the future buddy.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I look forward to that day. Happy landings to you until then!
Regardless of anything else, the Yaw 3 shows the best design of all current motion platforms.
Maybe... I think you are sacrificing the stability so I might argue with you the DOF Reality H6 is the best design overall. Time will tell, thanks for the comment.
@@GYGOtv I hear you, I own a P6 and I’m happy with it. I meant to say aesthetic design. Sorry for the confusion.
@@hrbeta Absolutely agree with you there... just don't know if in practice that design will really work the way it looks like it should. Glad you are enjoying your P6... they are awesome aren't they!
Awesome video ❤
Thank you so much for watching! I have wanted to try the YAW for soooooo long, glad I finally got the chance.
Yeah. Definitely need it on grippy floor. I have mine bolted into wood then 4 rubber feet under it and mine doesn't budge.
Good solution... you have a Yaw2 or 3?
I've got mine on a carpet, but I guess I am not doing much of the drastic movements. I use it for simracing, and when I crash I usually quickly hit the menu button to stop being thrown around. It probably helps that I've got the Yaw 2 with the middle desk with two massive arms, and the Yaw module too which all add weight and keep it to its place (the Yaw 3 reduced the weight by something like 40% IIRC).
But I admit that the GVGO footage shows the Yaw 3 moving all over the place so you want to have at least use a rubber mat.
If you are flying C172 General Aviation kind of planes you don't have to worry, it's all far to smooth. Which actually let me go for simracing when I decided what to use it for, as I grew tired of refitting controls (and fitting both doesn't work with a steering wheel & yoke).
But it's a fun device and I find myself using it quite frequently (and sim flight really has suffered as I miss the motion)
@@Axacuatl Thanks for the comment... Ya I can't fly anymore without motion... It just feels wrong now. As for sim racing, if you ever get the chance I would argue that nothing beats the DOF Reality H6 for that. That side sway when you hit a guardrail or another car is amazing and I LOVE the heave for feeling road textures and maybe when you catch some air :) Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the Yaw is great too but man H6 and racing is like a match made in heaven. Appreciate you watching.
Use a washing machine stand....works perfectly and will lift the footrest off the ground. Recommend one rated for 1700lbs
@@Hakeem597 Ohhh I LIKE that idea. Any recommendations for what fits best?
I'm looking to spend $5k-8k on a Motion platform, but VERY new to these products. I mostly play American Truck Simulator and Microsoft Flight Sim, but also would like a platform that will do well with roller coaster games for my kids. Any advice would be appreciated, would like to have a platform ordered within the next few days. Also never used VR and was curious if the Meta Quest 2 or 3 would suffice.
Thanks for the question @DaManAbove, and welcome to this amazing world of motion!. I haven't tested the YAW enough to recommend it yet... but honestly from what you are telling me I think your best choice would be a DOF Reality H6 (which is what I own). It will be great in all simulators like American Truck Simulator and MSFS. If you want to see it in action on a roller coaster watch this ua-cam.com/video/Vd5aCnDFRYI/v-deo.html I have a lot of videos on my channel with the H6, so feel free to look around and see what you find. I also have a discount code listed on my newest H6 videos (I can't put it here because the search algorithms will find it so I have to put it in the videos themselves). If you want to know why I recommend the H6 over other platforms, you can watch that here ua-cam.com/video/nzmRzF7YQBA/v-deo.html and that video will give you an idea of other platforms that are available to buy out there if the DOF Reality just isn't your thing. Certainly if you have any other questions feel free to ask. As for the VR question, Yes on the Quest 3 and NO NO NO NO on the Quest 2. I have a video comparing all the entry level headsets here ua-cam.com/video/opD35xl5PwA/v-deo.html and specifically the Quest 3 here ua-cam.com/video/jV5otY20y0U/v-deo.html If you want to step up the VR a little, the new Pimax Crystal Light seems to be the best bang for the buck right now pimax.com/pages/crystal-light. If you choose that direction, I may have a discount code for the Pimax and I'll dig it out if you decide to buy one. So I think I've given you plenty to watch, again don't hesitate with any questions you might have. This is an amazing hobby and I'm glad you found our channel and I hope it helps. Let me know how it goes.
Get the yaw3 for roller coaster or truck sim, they’ll also develop the gravity platform.
@@johnmann7o2 I gotta lean toward the H6 for Truck Sim... the Sway is really awesome if you hit something on the side and you don't really need the extra Pitch for those. For roller coasters and I think Helicopters I agree the Yaw appears to fit that better.
I'm definitely looking forward to hearing what you have to say about the Somnium VR1, since I already ordered a Classic edition!
Stay Tuned... should have it ready next week.
Comparing it with your Hexapod? It's no brainer. It's incomparable. Hexapod motion rig is like a dream. Nothing can come close to that.
I agree 100% EXCEPT for that backwards tilt... I'd like to experience it in the F/A-18! I can say for racing the DOF Reality H6 is the way to go for sure and nothing even comes close in my opinion. Thanks for watching.
Can this be used for Vtol Vr!?!
I have no idea, I only had 30 min with it and only tried the demos they offered. If I get one to test out I'll have more time to try stuff like that so stay tuned.
Great review.. I am keeping my eye on this hoping it will be suitable for space games like Star Citizen in the future.
I can tell you right now the DOF Reality H6 is AMAZING in Elite Dangerous, one of the best experiences you can have in the motion rig! Having the 3 extra motions of sway, surge and heave really add the the realism of flying those spaceships. I'd imagine Star Citizen will be similar. If you are interested, here is a link of my livestream so you can see the H6 in action... you don't have to watch it all, I'd say check out the asteroid part here ua-cam.com/users/liveXxapAZ3wyx0&t=10320s Hope you enjoy it.
The leads (apart from headset) can be done wirelessly so full rotation and the quest 3 is great over WiFi 6 and virtual desktop to be wireless too.
LOL, no serious flight simmer is going to be using a Quest 3 (don't get me wrong, I love mine) but everyone is going toward the Pimax Light it seems. So the HOTAS can all be done wireless? Please tell me more.
@@GYGOtv They were providing a VirtualHere solution. If you have a tethered headset anyway, you'll have to use the return function that constantly slowly returns to center origin.
@@KydDynoMyte_ Awesome, great to know that is a function... as I said, I this was my first time in the YAW so I appreciate all the info you veterans are providing here. Great Stuff!!!
@@GYGOtv Serious flight simmers should be getting into mixed reality cockpits for the extra immersion it brings. Shame Varjo is the only one allowing passthrough camera access to be able to chroma key in just your hands, arms, controls, etc. instead of having to make a whole detailed simpit to crop in since Quest3 doesn't have that direct passthrough camera access.
@@KydDynoMyte_ I think the Somnium is going to do that too isn't it?
Once setup right, the yaw3 is hard to beat. Have had my yaw2 for a while now. Got the actuator setup and will compare them.
O man, I really want to hear what you think of that comparison!!! which Actuator setup did you get? How many DOF is it?
I wish they had local stores in the USA for purchase.
Ya I doubt that will ever happen. I know DOF Reality has looked into it and Distributors want a lot of money to provide them, so the Motion Platforms would cost like 40% more than they do now. I guess the question is would you rather have it affordable or local for purchase? Thanks for the comment.
very good observation and honest feedback.as a owner of yaw 2.5 edition this lacks in stability in framework and i have even drilled holes in the floor just for it not to move around on the floor and the yaw 2.5 has alot more main weight on base station and wider in generall. looking forward to hear more from your honest thoughts if they finaly choose to give you one❤ i have come to a point due to construct materials it wont work with the loads put on the framework so to keep it safe i put clean scenes only.meaning if racing is a go only small weight stuff so the brigde clamp wont break and even cause damage to the main seat construct as it happend for me in 2.0 version i owned.keep it upp and be loyal to quality in generall as you provide on your channel🎉
Thank you so much for your feedback! As I'm a total N00B to all things Yaw right now! Any insight from current Yaw users is invaluable to me and my community. So the weight is an issue then with this style of device?
it is a issue yes.
to make it simpel check out my review on 2.0 wich everything tech sensors and seat framework got damaged realy bad.
my second review i share my thoughts and 50hours of gameplay testing about 2.5 edition from a quality generell point of view and what i miss from the 2.5 and my thoughts about sacrifices they have done with yaw3 consider cutting down mainfoundation weight in almost half size wich again goes into maintaining momentum as you pointed out in your video.there aint no transdusors and smartplugs has been removed from this new yaw 3 edition.
ua-cam.com/video/VWm1ErlYyOk/v-deo.htmlsi=8KMdDb5ROei6Z-v7
@@vrfanatic5290 For sure I will check it out. Sounds like the exact info I was interested in!
You can actually connect your usb devices wirelessly to the built in raspberry pi
So how well does that connection work for your HOTAS? I've heard the wireless seems to drop in and out which can be a problem when you are controlling your aircraft with it.
The jarring is the WiFi app. Very bad for this. Much smoother in srs but the old geared ones do suffer a bit from over shoot. Hopefully the belt one doesn't..
Ya I wouldn't use their app, I know SRS so well it would not be my best use of time to try and learn theirs.
@@GYGOtv Meant their config app that was using the motion test section manually with sliders is very jarring. Their free motion software is something different and is very easy to use once you understand the difference between it and SRS/SimTools.
I agree with above statement. Moving the Yaw manually on the test app is like using boxing gloves to type on a keyboard.
@@antjones2281 I hear you on that... I've had to do that with mine in SRS... Hard to be smooth.
You also need to make sure you counter balance the forward mounted peripherals with weights In the back
Yes I'm getting a sense that balance is VERY important for these to work correctly. How much weight did you need to counter your HOTAS?
@@GYGOtv more than you think I have a yoke and combat pedals then the side plates for the warthog hotas with a custom
Plate for the joystick In the middle with ext bar and I am on the more robust statue of a 50 plus year old so counter weight is as out 30kg
@@samgarlick9585 so that is about 65 pounds for those in the USA. So what happens to the unit if you don't counter weight it?
You will see the movement you state and will need to ramp the power up which could burn out the motor possibly. It also makes the movements smoother along with SMS software. I am keen to see the yaw 3
I think they had the cable management sorted with the YAW 2, so it is odd to see they demoed a 3 without that.
I think they only have ac power going through the slip ring now. Streamlined and got rid of a lot of the failure points. Wi-Fi is usually terrible at shows. Recently discovered after the show you can use power line network adapters to connect the Yaw3 to the network instead of using wifi if needed.
@@KydDynoMyte_ So I'm confused... can you or can you not hook your HOTAS to the YAW itself to keep the 360 motion usable?
@@GYGOtv Yes you should. At least you have been able to on the yaw2. I haven't heard of them taking away the Virtual Here solution. One of the Yaw3 testers mentioned 4 USB ports on the one side of the chair opposite side from the AC plug on top. The YawVR is very different than most other rigs. It has a pi in it and uses a network interface for the motion software to talk to it.
@@KydDynoMyte_ Thanks for the info. That certainly would make it more viable for using the 360!
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I'm concerned about two things with the YAW 3. Price, and the design of the mounting plate - central post between the legs - exactly where I'd want my flight stick to be mounted - while I keep my racing wheel on the plate.
I like the range of both pitch and yaw it offers, but there are certainly some things to hold me back.
That's sounds like it would even be a challenge on the DOF reality.
@@antjones2281 Maybe but at least on the DOF the bars holding the wheel deck are to the side so there is a better chance you could get it to work IMO.
Yes you and I are thinking the same. I don't really care about the Yaw as much but that pitch back is incredible!
They had a racing frame option for the Yaw2. Many people make their own frame out of t-slot. They have smaller plates for the yaw2 and quit making the big desk. I am surprised to see it back. But I bet there will be a small plate for it available too.
It would definitely be interesting if a USB slip ring could be incorporated between the chair and the base to combat the issue of the 360° movement.
I think the YAW 2 had that didn't it? Anyone out there know for sure?
@@GYGOtv the slip ring used to have AC power, Ethernet and USB going through it. The USB was not always reliable. I believe now just AC power is going through the slip ring. A user with a yaw3 was able to use PowerLine Ethernet adapters the other day to get his Yaw3 on the network as a test, but wifi should work fine for most people at home.
@@GYGOtv I am not sure but it's definitely a good idea
@@GYGOtv Yes, the Yaw2 has that. I guess they dropped it for Yaw3 for simplicity, plus I believe the slip ring was expensive and getting a reliable one that would work for a long time and be available in the future for parts was part of it.
@@marcusdamberger So what is the answer now if they nixed the ring?.. this raspberry pi wireless option I keep hearing about?
Looks good but takes up so much space, not many people will have 9 foot for this thing to rotate.
Ya you can limit the rotation so probably about a 6x5 ft. space would work... of course that takes away one of the key features of the Yaw when you do that so I get what you mean. thanks for the comment.
That's a lot of mass and Inertia the chair is dealing with even is you nail down the CG.
Ya you can feel it for sure. I certainly don't have that same feeling in my DOF Reality H6 that is for sure.
The Roll ist too little,
i have the Yaw 2.5, a little bit more Roll ;))
The Bearings from Roll Modul, musst many carry with the Pitch move.
The Plastik Cap going, with the Time then from this Bearings,
and this Bearings eat then in the Roll-Modul.
I have now with Adhesive the Plasik-Cap Assembled.
It still holds!
And i go not over 22% Performance.
I drive with the Fisher Amp Buttkicker,
and this need Cable.
So how long until you started having the durability issues in the Yaw? Do you know if that is one of the improvements they made to the YAW 3?
@@GYGOtv YawVR testing the Yaw 3,
and in the Test Did not hold.
See says the Yaw3 need more Bearings.
but i have this not see, YawVR talked about it after the test.
And the Yaw3 came later.
But i think you need only a good Adhesive for the Plastik-Cap.
I have the Yaw 2.5 and it is amazing on helicopters I am just waiting my virpil collective in July to make it even more immersive
Thanks for the info! How does the landing feel? I'm sure with a heave module it will be even more amazing!
@@GYGOtv the appropriate bumps and skids what is more of a freaky feel but absolutely stunning is the lift off my first flight was off the waterfront helipad in New York and the rise and tilt then yaw completely fooled my mind to the point is was like whoooa whilst laughing like a giddy kid. I am so looking forward to the heave as I have seen your H6 and think I would like that
@@samgarlick9585 I can tell you the Heave in the H6 and in Helicopters is AMAZING! You feel it when the skids hit too hard! Hope you get that same feeling with the Heave module on the Yaw!
LOL What is wrong with salad hehehhehehehehe
Hi Crazyhorse, I never said there was anything wrong with it... I just said I wasn't interested, there is no way my back could tolerate that thing for any length of time (I'm getting old you see) :)
@@GYGOtv Sorry, sometimes jokes don't come through in the internet, I was referencing the word salad and implying you did not like to eat salads hehehee
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 Well that is certainly true as well LOL... well except a good Caesars Salad once in while.
@@GYGOtv Same here but I do love mine with grilled chicken. My wife is from Pittsburgh and they have an interesting way of preparing salads. They put steak and French fries in the salad....It is sooooo good.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 O My!!! THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLE!!!! I'll try to talk Brenda into doing one like that... I'm shouting up the stairs the ingredients and what you said right now!
Ironic these hardware developers are eager to hand it out for review and "influencers" yet have little interest in getting something out to us software developers......been the same with all the hardware for the past 20yrs that we make the games for.
I don't plan to get one anytime soon. I would rather the Kickstart Backers get them before all of the rest of us did. They have been very patient from what I understand.
I don't think they can afford to give one out to everyone making a game. You can use their YawVR emulator to test telemetry output well enough. It is not on the game dev to support the specific chair and make it feel good. The user looses all ability to tune to their liking then.
@@KydDynoMyte_ I have never asked to be given anything, always been happy to pay, we are not a charity ;)
Why are you harping on about the Yaw 3 when a lot of people are still waiting for their Yaw 2 for over 2 years ? Did you ask them to explain that ?
Maybe you don't know, but the Yaw2 is basically discontinued, all the companies time, money and development effort is now directed to the Yaw 3.
@@GunPilot Your missing the point. Will they be supplying these people [ kickstarters ] with a unit ? Its a scam.
@@davewatson2124 Gday Dave.....gotta agree with you, if it walks like a duck ,looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably a duck.....sorry if there was any confusion, what I meant was that they "say" that kickstarters who have not received their rigs as yet after all this time will eventually get a Yaw 3 (as long as they pay more money).....once they start rolling the Yaw3 out the door, was supposed to be January of this year, no more yaw 2s
I'm "harping" on it because I still get asked on a regular basis what my thoughts are on it by my viewers. Yes I asked about that situation and if you watch the end I mention it but I'm happy to explain it more to you here. Keep in mind, I do NOT work for YAW and I was only able to spend a little time with Zsolt but from talking to him, this is my understanding. Basically the Yaw 2 ended up being an inefficient and costly design that was running into durability problems and almost ran the company out of business trying to fulfill the kickstarter orders. YawVR had to pivot last year not only to stay in business but also redesign the unit to be more cost effective and durable... hence now you have the Yaw 3. I'm fully aware of the kickstarter situation and I can TOTALLY understand how frustrating that must be... but if YawVR went out of business then No Kickstarter would be getting anything. At least this way YawVR has the potential to deliver on what they promised. Is it a "scam"? Well you'll have to define what you mean by scam for me to answer that. My definition of a Scam is an intentional scheme to steal money from victims, so to me no it is not a scam because I can see YawVR is actively trying to do what they say. Are they using questionable business practices... I'll leave that up to people who know more about the situation than I do debate that. Hope that answers your question, I'm sure you aren't the only one that wondered about that so thanks for the question.
I actually have the Yaw1 Pro or as you put it the salad bowl 🥗 🥣 I picked up from someone locally for $600. It is actually pretty cool. I enjoy using it. But, I agree the new version looks more professional.
That is a heck of a deal. There is no way my Back would be able to support me in that thing. It sucks getting old!
@GYGOtv I understand that completely. I am 44 going to turn 45 this october. I definitely feel the difference. I actually added some of those seat cushions for both my bottom and back. It makes a big difference. I enjoy playing in Virtual Reality, wearing my Woojer Vest 3, and sitting in this motion simulator using the Hotas. I just recently purchased that Pimax Crystal Light HMD. It has the best visuals I have ever seen.
@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe Ahhh you are starting down the path and it won't be long until you are in a DOF Reality H6!!! I can see it now! It is an amazing time for us enthusiasts. VR and Motion in my own home, who would have thunk it 20 years ago! Do you like the Woojer over a B Haptic?
@GYGOtv I haven't tried the bhaptics vest. I just bought the Woojer Vest because it works with everything. Plus, it was on sale. I am a sucker for deals. I actually almost bought one of those DOF rigs. But, I changed my mind. $3k + is way more than I want to invest.
@@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe Ya Haptic Vest is on my future acquisition list, I'll have to research what the best would be. I totally understand the hesitation on the DOF Reality Rig, mine was over $5k and I had no idea if I'd like it or not... I can honestly tell you it was one of the best things I've ever purchased and I'm so happy I did it. Keep an eye out, maybe a sale will get you into one someday.