I have a P3 that I upgraded to SFU. I think the motion for flying is just fine. The extra cost is a little high. I felt like they should have been more transparent about the motor drop on SFU when cutting or losing power. They made no mention of that when they first pushed the upgrades. Now when asking about a fix, the answer is buy a new unit for 5 Gs with shipping. I am keeping my P3 as a dedicated flight simulator and will work out a solution for the motor drop. I built an SFX 150 7 axis actuator rig for racing for less than the cost of a new H6 and honestly I would never go back. The Thanos controlled SFX actuators are hands down far better than anything DOF Reality is putting out. I really liked my P3 and love my SFU upgrade, I just wish they would have addressed the dropping issue. I think they rushed that SFU to market resulting in a safety hazard failure when freezing or power loss. Emergency Stop should freeze the rig, not have it drop or droop creating pinch hazards. Igor and his company have always been very responsive for support. The price point on the new rigs is leaving Affordability in the dust. Great channel and I am glad you still enjoy your H6 SFU. Now for the love of God buy a Simagic Alpha mini direct drive wheel and ditch that G29😅.
LOL, NOT the DD wheel discussion again!!! I would love to do that... did I mention I have a Patreon ( www.patreon.com/GYGO ) or you can hit the Super Thanks button above :) SO my understanding is with this upgrade you would get the ebrake solution that they implemented that would fix the drooping problem. The cost from the P3 would be $300 for both motors if you send your P-motors back. You might also need the $20 upgrade kit for the control box so realistically $320 and you have the latest greatest... seems pretty reasonable to me. Now I get that you are now doing the actuator rig so you probably won't mess with the P3 at this point but can I ask you what your maximum motion range (in degrees) is on it? I've looked at actuator systems but they seem to have less movement than the H6. Thanks for the comment and I look forward to hearing more about your SFX 150 (I assume 6 DOF?). Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv I wrote a page long response explaining my actuator spec but because I said ST is a rip-off to creators YT deleted my comment. I will catch you on Patreon. Peace.
@@Catch_The_Irishman Thanks for the effort into the reply... I've had something similar happen to me from time to time. I'll look at our Patreon to see what the deal is. Don't forget we also have a Discord Channel that you should be safe to say those things on. discord.gg/WqrV8UvYCM
P6 owner, 12/23 model: I am not overly concerned about the cogging issue - as a matter of fact it does not kill immersion for me (maybe thanks to my BK Pro). I might still go for the upgrade, but only after DOF comes out with an upgrade path for the P series.
I can understand that and I'm glad the cogging doesn't bug you. I've been saying the same thing for a long time now, the Buttkicker can "Mask" the cogging for most people that experience it and it was my go to recommendation before DOF found this fix. It will be interesting to see what they come up with for the P-Series. Thanks for watching.
Such amazing news!! 👏 One thing I noticed though. These new motor set ups are only available for heli and flight. Is this due to the fact that the new motors are not optimal for sim racing? Doesn't matter to me, as I soley sim in flight, but would this be accurate assumption mark?
Great question! I don't think so... Igor says the performance is not impacted by the gearboxes and I can tell you we had the H3 jumping off the floor at the Flight Sim Expo before I got it tuned properly, so it certainly moves. I think Igor just doesn't think the reducer gearboxes are needed for racing so why not keep the cost down for those people. I have no idea why they aren't on the "universal" model because I would think universal also includes flight... but I don't work for them so what do I know? :)
AWESOME!!! This is the perfect upgrade for you then! Please let me know how it goes... from my time on the H3 at the FSExpo, it was super smooth for me! The cost was $300 right?
@@GYGOtv Yes, $300 x 2, as the upgrade is not needed for yaw. I'm happy to get pitch and roll, but to be honest it is really roll that is most noticable.
I've definitely been enjoying my P6 and I do feel the little Cog movements that you're referring to, that doesn't bother me nearly as much as when I'm flying a helicopter in DCS regardless of which helicopter, there's absolutely zero heave up and down that occurs for when you pull up on your Collective or lower it down. Even with the heave setting completely maxed out. But I literally get every other motion tilt roll Sway and all that and it's fantastic and took me almost a year to tune it perfectly right, but sure would love to have the heave movement as well.
@@WilliamDeanPlumbing Hi William, thanks for watching! So the heave movement doesn't usually have anything to do with the platform itself, it is the responsibility of the game to sent the proper telemetry to the platform to tell it to move. So have you tried MSFS or have you tried other programs? I can tell you in Elite Dangerous I get plenty of heave when strafing up and down, so maybe try that if you haven't. I've only flown helicopters a little in MSFS but I did notice the heave on landing... Do you feel that? Also you mentioned you have heave turned all the way up... But have you adjusted the "Max Telemetry" setting for heave? Let me know and we will see if we can sort this all out for you.
DOF Reality only did the one Expo this year and likely isn't looking at doing them again anytime soon so not unless you can find somebody with one who lives close by unfortunately. They don't really have any stores or demo places. If you have any questions I can try to answer them for you and I can tell you almost everyone who had a chance to try it at the FSExpo this year thought it was great ua-cam.com/video/LiTKjGwdg0k/v-deo.html Hope that helps?
Well thanks for the compliment... I love my rig too!!! Ya I've looked at actuator systems before but they don't seem to get enough motion for flight. Great for racing though, and super smooth from what I understand. Please let us know how you like it!
Hi. Thanks for the review. I am a long time DOF H3 user and have always thought they were an amazing value. I am a bit overwhelmed by the upgrades and not tech savvy enough to work through some of the issues I am having now. I recently upgraded my Gen 1 motors with new SFU gearboxes. This created a couple of problems. First, I can not calibrate them and DOF has suggested I replace the Arduino in the control box. Second, this makes the platform unstable when I am not using motion. First question - will replacing two of my motor with the newest ones (that have brakes) solve the problem of using the platform without motion turned on? Second (and thanks for your patience), will these motors also need calibration when installed? I apologize if these are dumb questions. Cheers
No dumb questions here... Thanks for asking... I'm still learning about this too but here is my understanding so far. The new motors should freeze it in place... the only thing I'm not sure of is if it will still have a little side play because of the back motor (yaw) but I'd guess it would be minimal if any at all. Much better than it is now. This might be a good question to ask DOF Reality directly, just email or call support. As for calibration, the new motors automatically calibrate themselves when you start the rig so you won't have to mess with it anymore. You will need to upgrade that board in your control boxes for that but sounds like the upgrade will take care of your problems. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
DOF reality definitely pioneered the home friendly motion platforms but today there are better ones out there if you're willing and able to put things together.
The H3. H6 is too expensive 😅 I think it will be enough for me and an entirely new world with the dynamic rig. My little nlr flight simulator lite is ridiculous compare to this wonderful H3.
The fact that they didn't make the differences and the reason for the price difference OBVIOUS on their site actually staggers me. It would be so easy for them to market the difference with clear explanations on the product pages - even including images of the different motors to go with the explanations. This is the second time that I am aware of this massive lack of information about critical changes. The last one was the inclusion of the SFU upgrades as standard - a massive improvement that contributed to increased prices - with basically no clear explanation on the website when this change occurred. It's nuts to me. I just do not understand the way this company keeps known and understood (to them) details limited to UA-cam interviews and videos like this one.
I agree, I don't really understand why they did it this way either. That is the big reason I wanted to get this video out ASAP. I can say that I don't think it is any kind of deception or ill will causing this... I just think their Ukrainian culture is a lot different than the way most of us in the West think.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the reply! Of course I don't think this lack of detail/information is due to ill will or deception either, because it would only help sell their products as well as provide clarity for their existing customers and potential customers alike. If it is simply a cultural issue, then they would REALLY be wise to pay someone to provide vital feedback and input such as this point to improve their website. They have your help for the online outreach and communication, but their site also needs some help with missing information/clarification. Of course this may not stop with their website, since there was also the fact that the upgrade was demoed at FSExpo this year without clear communication to participants that their units would not include it if they ordered immediately or even weeks later!
@@Soarbywire Sure I can understand that... but why not just have the option to add the no-cog reducers instead of putting it under a separate tab? Just seems unnecessarily confusing to me. Thanks for the comment.
Hey my brother good to hear from you and see you. I’m so excited. They only thing is by time you add the tax and shipping for an H6 you’re looking at $9000 if I’m correct what I wanted to ask you is that I have the H3 with the SFU motors, but I don’t have the braking system. Not sure what does that do does it keep the sim from slamming down when you power it off?So I’m going to need the control box kit .So is it possible to do an upgrade kit the old way to make it a H6 compatible with the new motors if this makes any sense like I said price is going to be like $9000 with shipping and tax. Just wanted to know if I can do it that way, adding the new motors and sending the extra parts to make it a H6 upgrade and wonder what would be the price difference and the last question is it looks like if you order a brand new H6 it doesn’t come with the new motor covers that really looked nice. Is that right? Probably would’ve been better to email you lol ,if you would like to email me back with info that would be great. Also OK thanks my brother.
They Richard, as far as pricing I have no idea what that would cost but it certainly should be possible, you would just need that $20 board that updates your control box. DOF is usually really good about getting you what you want as far as upgrades so please reach out to them with your specifics and see what they say. As for the new H6's I can't imagine they wouldn't have the covers? Where did you see that at? The Ebrake system freezes the motors when power is cut so yes it keeps it from settling, but more importantly it stops the rig immediately if you hit the emergency stop button. Hope that answers your questions and we can talk more about it later if not. Thanks for watching.
I have the first gen H6 and SFU upgrade like yours, that being said it would cost me $300 per motor (less $100 per motor if I ship my old motors back) plus $40 per control box for the brake is this correct (is shipping free on the new motors)? Without more information I'm assuming we just remove our old motor and attaching to our existing hardware with perhaps slight modifications in bolts. I'm surprised that since they are on the market now they have not released some videos on it working and installation. I know you will have a video ASP on the upgrade to your H6.
I assume that is correct on the pricing, My math comes to $1840 for mine. As for the details, DOF Reality wants EVERYONE who upgrades to contact them directly so I'm sure you will get the details once you do that. I obviously don't know what they have planned for installation instruction videos but I'll do my best to help out if I can, and of course I'll keep everyone up to date on the progress I make here. Thanks for watching.
Hi, love the channel. I have a dof reality h3 and wish to purchase the new reducers, i also need to purchase 2 gear boxes and the motor break kit. I have the first generation motors so unfortunately they cant offer me al discount for sending them back. I hlave a question about the reducers.. is this a new motor or a new part that must be connected to my old motors. Your video implies that it is a new motor with the new reducer already connected. I would prefer to buy an all in 1 solution. I do not want to start building it myself. Paul
Thanks for watching Paul, appreciate it. My understanding is you should be able to get the upgrade for $500 per motor for your Gen 1 setup (so $1000 because you don't upgrade the yaw motor). You should still get the $100 per motor rebate if you send them back, or did DOF say you couldn't? This is a motor swap so you won't be adding anything to your existing motors, you will just change out your current motor/gearbox with the new ones they will send you. You will also need to get the $20 upgrade to the control box, so you should be set for a total of $1020 without the $200 rebate, $820 if you send the original motors back. DOF Recommends contacting them directly, you will likely send them a photo of your existing setup and then they will give you a final price since there are so many versions of the DOF Rigs out there. Hope that helps, and let me know how it goes.
Hi, because I have the 1st generation of motors they told me they told me I couldn't send them back. They also told me that they are concentrating on the newer motors first, and that I should wait a couple of months. This is all ok. But I really do need clarity on the recieving of a complete motor. I have asked this question but I don't think they are really understanding what I mean Paul
@@paulmccarron9738 Thanks for the update... it is my understanding that because of all the various models over the years, that they are still sorting out the upgrade path for some. A couple months is consistent with what I'm hearing too, so just wait a bit and I firmly believe there will be an option for you to upgrade. DOF has done a pretty good job of figuring this out for us legacy users and I'm grateful they didn't just give up... so give them a little more time and we will see what our options are. Thanks for comment.
G'day Mark, would you be able to purchase just the DOF frame from Igor so you could use the old motors to set up a new rig after purchasing the new motors instead of returning them?
I bet you could... I have no idea how much that would cost but I'd recommend you contact DOF support and ask. I know I got some additional pieces that I ordered when I originally bought mine. If you find out anything, I'd appreciate it if you let us know what they tell you. I think this is a fantastic idea!
So you would like to buy the upgrade motors, not send the old ones back and get a new frame on top for the old motors. In other words you would like to get a complete new rig with the new motors. I bet this would be exactly the same cost in the end for sure. Nice thinking though LOL
@@Lucas_Pit The whole frame probably would end up costing the same, I was thinking he just wanted the new base and then build the top part or use something he already has?
Great video Mark. I hope you will do a upgrade video for your H6 with these motors. One question that I have is whether these are the same motors that we currently have, but with new attachments at the ends. If so, why not offer just the attachments as a upgrade option?
Hi pchow! I don't think they are the same and that is why you have to switch them out completely. I know Igor had to source them from another vendor so that is what makes me think that. Otherwise why wouldn't they just sell us the gearbox? Maybe we can ask Igor one of these days on a Livestream. Thanks for watching.
@@pchow6829 I have no idea... I'm not even sure what the back order is for these right now and then I'll probably need Darrell (the master fabricator) over here to help me with it depending how complicated it ends up being. Just stay tuned and I'll try to keep everyone posted on this subject. Sorry I don't have a more definitive answer for you.
@@GYGOtv Thanks Mark. I'd received an email reply about availability. It seems they are still trying to work out how to order. Probably don't have good instructions yet either. Will wait to see what other will say about it in the coming months.
Hi Mark, Ive been a subscriber for a while now. I really enjoy your content though my bank balance does not as I've just taken the plunge and ordered an h6r. I was wondering if you could provide some advice regarding motion compensation. What solution do you use and how effective do you find it with your h6? Thanks in advance
Hi David, yes I've seen you in the comments before... thank you for the long term support. This isn't an easy answer and depends on a lot of things on your part. First, are you racing or flying? Second what kind of VR headset are you using? Do you have access to a lighthouse based tracking system? Let me know and I'll do my best to help you more. The good news is there is a solution on a H6, it just depends on the answers to the above questions. And just FYI, I've finally got my motion compensation video in the cue because I am getting this question a lot lately. Looking forward to hearing back from you soon and again thanks for watching!
@@GYGOtv Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Its really appreciated. I will be using my rig for flight - primarily GA with some IL2 and a dusting of DCS. I have an HP Reverb G2 and a Quest Pro though I am leaning towards upgrading to a Crystal Super when it becomes available (and assuming you and other reviewers give it a thumbs up). I've used lighthouses in the past (when I had an HTC Vive back in 2016) and would purchase them again if it is warranted. A video on motion compensation will be fantastic but any advice now on anything I need to buy before my rig arrives would be great. Thanks again for your help and your informative channel
@@David-xk4xx The Quest Pro might work... and since you already have it, you might as well try it. If you are going to go with a Crystal, you are going to need to get the lighthouse faceplate for it along with some type of Steam controllers or tracker (wand, index, etc.) and lighthouses if you don't still have your old ones. If you can send me an email, I'll be able to forward you some photos of the mount you will need to build. Mine is for the Vive Wand but you could adapt one to whatever controllers you end up using. Anyway my email is in the description and on the main page. Talk to you soon.
Sure thing, they are just fish finder mounts... Scotty Ball-Mount amzn.to/3v7RQve and then we custom built the mounting bracket ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html&t-674s They have been on there for almost 3 years and still as solid as day 1. Thanks for watching!
Hi, is getting motion simulator for VR racing and VR flighting really a big game changer and overall worth the money? Also if I ever want to get one, is H2 enough for just flighting, or does H3 contain some much better experience. As far as for racing, H3 or P3? Thank you.
Thanks for the question, so yes it is a game changer. For me it was as big of a deal as going from flat screen to VR was, so that should give you a gauge of the impact of motion to your racing and flying. So you don't need a P-series unless you are going to use it in an arcade setting, 8 hours a day/ 7 days a week. My H6 has worked fine, and I use it frequently. The H2 is probably good enough if you are just flying airplanes, probably want an H3 if you are doing helicopters so you get the yaw. If you are racing I HIGHLY recommend the H3 because that gives you the feeling of traction loss and the back end sliding out from under you which is a big deal when driving. Of course I recommend the H6 even more because it gives you all 6 degrees of motion, but I understand that is too expensive for most people. I hope that answers your questions, and if you have any more please feel free to ask them. I have lots of videos about the motion platform on the channel so you might find those interesting as well. Lastly, I do have a discount code in the video 12:41 which will save you 5% and help the channel out as well if you use it. Welcome to this amazing world of motion... it is AWESOME!
Heya! Your videos have been super helpful and I'm nearly ready to pull the trigger, but I've got a couple questions. About 2 months ago I saw the following comment from you, "Personally, I'd wait for the integrated motors that will have everything in one housing. We are only a few months away for that...". Is this the update you were referring to? I'm assuming so, but want to be totally certain. Also, I'm totally new to the hobby...like every part of it: VR, flight sim, and motion rigs, but I'm not a stranger to flying small aircraft and paragliding IRL. I'm looking for immersion, but I'm also trying to me mindful about dumping money into an unfamiliar hobby. I'm trying to decide between the H2 and H3, and find that point of diminishing returns for myself. At ~45% more $, does the added yaw make the H3 ~45% more immersive/realistic than the H2?
Hey Kevin, thanks for the question. So yes, these new models are what I was referring to previously. The trick is you MUST order it under the Flight or Heli tab on the website to get these, otherwise you are just getting the old version as I mention in the video. As for the H2 vs. H3, the YAW is really a big deal for racing and traction loss in the backend. For flight, yes it adds immersion but I'd say negligible unless you are doing helicopters or maybe dogfighting. Where you really notice it other than that is when you taxi around the airport so it does add to that as well. I guess in the end IF your budget is the most important thing then you can probably skip... IF immersion is most important then I'd recommend getting it... but you will have a great experience either way. I honestly couldn't give up my H6 because I love all the subtle movement from sway, surge and heave but that is probably because I've felt them and would know what I'm missing. Since you've never done this before you will likely love it no matter what you get. What I can tell you is I was in exactly the same boat that you are in when I first bought mine and was really hesitant to spend the money on the H6... BUT I've said this 1000 times now, it was one of the best purchases I've ever made. Hope that helps, and I'd be remiss if I didn't remind you we have a 5% off code that will also help the channel if you don't mind using it. You can find it in the video at the end. Let me know if you have any other questions and welcome to this amazing world of motion simulation.
@@GYGOtv Thank you for that extremely helpful reply! I actually am really interested in sim racing as well, so your traction-loss comment makes a lot of sense and is enough to push me into the H3. And I love that there's an upgrade path to the H6 if I want more in the future.
@@GYGOtv none! I'll be building up everything from scratch, PC included - completely blank slate. I've been holding off on VR for a decade now, and I'm finally ready to jump straight into the deep end.
@@kevinkrueger9171 Well there is no better time to do it! A few recommendations to help. Certainly an NVidia based graphics card... the best one you can afford is always my recommendation. No part of the PC has a bigger impact on VR than the graphics card. I have tons of videos on VR Headsets on the channel, let me know if you have any questions about them. Other than that, really it comes down to preference on HOTAS and Steering wheels etc. Thrustmaster, Virpil, and WinWing seem to be the most popular and everyone recommends a Direct Drive Steering wheel for racing. Hope that all helps and again welcome to this awesome world! Buckle up for an adventure!
thinking of getting one of these for MSFS. I have several button boxes I like using so I don't think VR is for me. Is it still worthwhile if I mounted a 34 ultrawide on the monitor mount they also offer so the monitor moves with the platform? Thanks
@@rickybobby28 Hi, so first off No Flat Screen experience can match the immersion of VR so do yourself a favor and at least find a way to try it. But yes, adding motion still makes simming better even on a flat screen. Every little piece, like motion, haptics, HOTAS all adds to the experience. Also, please don't forget I have a discount code if you do decide to get one. I think you will love it. Something you can also look into is Mixed Reality, it combines VR with the ability to see your real controls, but it is a little expensive right now. Thanks for the question I hope this helps.
I believe they have good equipment, and I have enjoyed my H6 but when I had a problem with my control box. The customer service has been one of the worst I’ve ever dealt with. I have spent one month trying to get it fixed and I offered just to buy a new controller.box and have gotten nowhere. So for me, I wouldn’t think of upgrading to these new motors until I know they have a better customer service program
Ouch, sorry you are running into issues. I know Igor works hard to keep customers happy but sometimes things get missed... if you want send me a copy of your emails with DOF I'll see if there is something I can do to help. Just let me know... my email is in the description.
Hi im needing some help. There was a windows update last week, after the update i heard some thumps from the next room ( i was on the throne) came into have a look the yaw motor had spun the platform sideways , now its stuck there and the platform wont move even in the tunning section. Srs software has a green cross indicating its connected and ive swapped the pitch roll and yaw outputs around pitch and roll make a thud and will lift and roll but the yaw is dead when connectedcto the other outputs, have reinstslled the firmware usingvsmc tools , where to from here, flight simming is boring as with my h3 platform
Wow, weird that a windows update did that... might just be a coincidence. Definitely contact DOF Support, this sounds like something they would need to look into. Please let me know how it goes.
Appreciate it... Montrose... 69 9? I was born in Montrose, Colorado in 1969... Any relationship there to your screen name? You also can usually work through motion sickness if you take your time with it... I assume you DO NOT play in VR? Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv I absolutely play in VR but can only do flight the pushing of the rear end in racing gets me every time. Helicopters can be a challenge. No relation but I got the handle Montrose from a character in a book I loved
@@montrose699 Cool, thanks for the reply, I wondered if you were an old High School Alumni or something but that clears it up. If the back end sliding gets you, you might want to get the H2 so it doesn't do that motion. That will save you some money too. I have a discount code in the video that will help as well. Just be sure you get your unit from the Flight tab like I show in the video so you get the smooth motion too, and please let me know if you have any other questions I can help you with.
Hi CruelYeti, So DOF needs a few more months to find the right solution (likely the correct motor replacement) for the P-Series... What they are allowing you to do right now if you want, is trade your old P-Series motors in for the New H-Series with this Reducer Gearbox that makes everything smooth. You are looking at a cost of about $500 (or only $300 if you ship your old motors back to DOF). You will only need to change out the left and right motors as the rear (the one for yaw) doesn't need this change. I cover this at the end of the video. I hope that helps and thanks for watching.
Hi I have the H3 originally with the gen 1 gearboxes i then upgraded to the sfu gearboxes, i like my setup but the only issue is when the unit isn't powered on the rig will move if i lean on the seat. my question is can i get the brake upgrade kit to work with the sfu gearboxes or do i have to buy the new motors.
The Ebrake will certainly fix that. You can contact DOF Reality directly and ask them if you can just do the ebrake as I have no idea if they sell just the ebrake part. I think the problem you will run into is the ebrake has to be solid mounted and that is why they added the cardan shafts and I don't think your model has that? Honestly, you should consider just doing the full upgrade for only $620 ($420 if you send your old motors back) then you'll have the latest and greatest but obviously that is up to you. Thanks for the question.
Hi could you maybe assist me with some questions? I mainly fly DCS in an A-10 and am about to order a DOF system, if only I could figure out which one to get. I hear the 3DOF is good and can be upgraded, but maybe I can better directly get a 6DOF. I am willing to drop a few grand more in the beginning if it saves me the hassle later and if I will want to upgrade to 6DOF anyways once I experience the system. You have an H6, why not the P6? Should I just get the P6, would it warrant the extra money you think? I see difference in G's between the 3DOF and 6DOF, would I notice/need that extra bit? I see a speed difference between H6 and P6, would I notice this extra bit? I am not really going to do boat takeoffs and landings, maybe a few times in the beginning and to show off to friends when they come over. I probably will stay in the A-10. On the DOF site I see the footprint measures for the systems, but what area do you really need to also account for the movements and the stuf that is mounted on top? For me it is a question to either put the system in my office space, behind my current DCS pc, or if it does not fit I have to set it up in the basement and get an extra PC to run DCS. Much appreciateda as always
Hi Ready... great to talk to a fellow DCS Pilot! So first off you do NOT need a P-Series unless you are running this in an arcade setting 8 hours a day/ 7 days a week. I talk about this here ua-cam.com/video/-Di96UxJzuc/v-deo.html As for the H3 vs. H6, I highly recommend the H6... getting those little cues when you accelerate and also the heave when you land is amazing. If you can afford it, the H6 is a no brainer IMO. Now the H3 will give you a very good experience as well but H6 gives you just that little extra that makes it feel even more real. Jeff Weaver and I talk about this topic in this video if you are interested (it was from a game livestream so sorry about the zombies :) ua-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/v-deo.html The BIGGEST thing if you are doing flight is MAKE SURE you order from the Flight or Heli Tab on the website (I talk about this a lot in the video for these comments). You absolutely want the new No Cog Reducers and the racing and universal models DO NOT have them. As for space, my H6 sits in about a 5x6 foot area (6x6 would be safe) and I think you can put the H3 in about a 4x5 if memory serves. Also just in case you didn't see it, we have a discount/affiliate code at the end of the video which will save you 5% and also helps us out as well. Would really appreciate it if you use that when you order as well. Pleases let me know if you have any other questions, and I can tell you there has NEVER been a better time to buy a DOF Reality Platform... this new model is the golden egg of motion platforms IMO. Thanks for the questions.
@@GYGOtv Thank you I will go for the H6 then. The affiliate code will be used. How do you use motion compensation? I am in an Aero as well and no idea how to sort that out. Do you ever have tracking issues with the lighthouses? I am using a center stick so also looking for a good seat. Any recommendations there? Using a jetseat currently but will also get a buttkicker once they are back in stock over here in NL. Do you also use belt tensioners? I heard they also add an extra dimension? I think I also have a lot to figure out to move my controls to the motion rig. The new rig will declutter my desk, but will fill up my room! Thanks again
@@Ready.A-10C You are welcome, and thank you in advance for supporting the channel with our discount code. SO I'm working on a Motion Compensation Video (have been for awhile now, it is a very complicated topic). In short you will want to use a lighthouse controller/tracker and mount that to your seat. Then you will use specific software (depending if you are doing OpenXR or OpenVR) to cancel out the motion. I LOVE Lighthouse tracking and still use it today for my setup so you should be good there. As for seat, that really is a personal preference so nothing to recommend other than I was looking at AndASeat as a brand, they seemed pretty good. I really like having armrests because I use them to pull myself around a lot when dogfighting. Belt Tensioners are on my Christmas List and will be looking to tackle that next year but yes I think they could be a really cool feature to add. Be sure to watch my videos on building the H6 if you haven't already... lots of tips and tricks in there to make things just a little better. AGAIN as a reminder, be sure you get your H6 from the Flight or Heli Tab... it is the one that costs $8000 but it comes with the no cog reducers. Please let me know if you have any more questions, and if you want to email me (email in the description) I can send you some photos of the mount I use for motion compensation.
@@SoarbywireThe Quest 3 has a solution, I'm actually working on the video for it now. If you can afford it, I always recommend the H6... the extra motion is amazing. If you use my discount code it will also help the channel and save you 5%. You will need some Quest Pro Controllers if you go H6, otherwise you can get away with the Witmotion on the H2/H3. Stay tuned for my Motion Compensation video which will talk about all this in depth. NOTE: Be sure you order the rig from either the "flight" or "Heli" tab on the website to get the latest greatest units.
@@SackyX Ya they are certainly not cheap but when you consider new video cards are in the $2k range, seems about par for the course. I can tell you just getting an H2 would be amazing compared to no motion so I hope you can swing something like that some day. It really did change my simulation experience in more ways than I expected.
@@Catch_The_Irishman Ya but think of how many changes they have made since then. SFU, Ebrake, Cardan Shafts, Upgraded and more powerful computers in the control boxes, and now the smoothing reducers... It isn't like the unit you purchased compared to what you get when you buy one today. Just my 2 cents here.
That is certainly understandable! I couldn't have done mine without Darrell "The Master Fabricator" helping me. Honestly, I think that is why DOF is doing this upgrade different. Obviously the natural assumption is you just send the gearboxes to the customer for them to add to the units. Instead it seems like DOF is replacing the entire motor assembly units with complete new motor assemblies and thus it shouldn't be any more difficult than originally putting the motors on the base to start with. At least that is my understanding from what I've seen and heard online. I'm hoping to get Igor back on the channel to clear some of this up so stay tuned and maybe we can alleviate some of your assembly fears that I'm sure many other people have as well. We will see, and thank you for the comment.
Great Question. No the P6 isn't really "better", the P6 is for commercial use (like a VR Arcade) where you are running the motors 8 hours a day and 7 days a week. The motors are more durable but the performance difference is negligible. I talk about it here in a Q&A session. ua-cam.com/video/-Di96UxJzuc/v-deo.html
Hi, I know that you have some contact with Igor. I was thinking of a project we could have in Norway and were wondering if you could put me in contact with him? Thank you very much Br Nicolai
Can can probably just contact the company via email or their phone number, that would be the quickest. If that doesn't work you can email me your contact info and I'll pass it along to him. My email is in the description and on the main page. Thanks for watching.
I posted my thoughts on the poor value of this upgrade as it is currently offered over on Mark @ Simhanger's youtube video of this upgrade here ua-cam.com/video/zchGMANYm0I/v-deo.html In short, return shipping costs to many areas of the world pretty much negates the savings of returning the motors. Also we are paying for motors we don't need, which is a large driver of the high shipping cost. I have asked DOF Reality if it would be possible to pay the $100 they are charging to add these new gearboxes to a new order and just get the gearboxes only sent to me and I will fit them myself, noting one needs to have some mechanical skills to be able to do so themselves. This would reduce the upgrade cost by nearly 1/3 by my rough calculations and is therefore much better value.
I certainly can understand your thoughts and I know that was what Igor had intended initially... but I think there is some difference with these motors from our old ones because I know Igor had to source them separately. I'm guessing there is something that keeps it from being as simple as just bolting on the reducer gearbox... maybe we can ask Igor on a Livestream someday. Again for most people, the cogging isn't even noticed let a lone a deal breaker so for them they don't need to do anything. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
Well hang on. 100 dollars per motor, so if you have the h3, that's 300 dollars. 3 motors to the EU is never gonna cost that much. I used to ship 155kg to China for 110 dollars.
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 EU might have reasonable shipping costs but $274 shipping for 3 motors/gearboxes is the quote to Australia. $220 to the USA.
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 So you get $100 rebate if YOU ship your old motors back, and I think that means gearbox and wiring too. If you can ship them cheaply then go for it, that just means you get more from your rebate. I shipped some small motors used in Robert's Mod earlier this year and it was over $100 just for 2 small ones to the UK (without gearboxes and wireing). Also, for the H3 you only do 2 motors, you don't need to do the back yaw one. I talk about that in the video. Thanks for the question, hope that clears it up a little.
@@buikhan You must contact DOF Reality Directly for the upgrade, be prepared to send them a photo of your current motor configuration. They will then give you all the details and a quote. I think you can either call or email them. I Hope that helps
@@GYGOtv I didn’t realize that I was flying the new DOF motor at the expo. I came back to fly the helicopter the second day with you but you were busy, so I missed a chance. Nice meeting you though.
@@buikhan Ahh Yes I remember you well... I actually was on the lookout for your return as I had setup a helicopter experience for you to try. We just must have missed each other... sorry about that. So what did YOU think of the new gearbox reducers?
@@GYGOtv it was so smooth and the sound was not noticeable, I definitely going to upgrade. I got the old frame through, wondering how things going to work out. Maybe, I should buy the whole new set up. I came a bit late that morning, my wife took the family to breakfast. She bought the trip as a birthday gift for me. Are you in California by any chance?
@@buikhan No sorry I'm in Colorado... I'd imagine DOF can get you setup with the upgrade if you wanted to do that, otherwise don't forget the 5% discount if you do get a new one... unfortunately the discount doesn't work for the upgrade :(
I have a P3 that I upgraded to SFU. I think the motion for flying is just fine. The extra cost is a little high. I felt like they should have been more transparent about the motor drop on SFU when cutting or losing power. They made no mention of that when they first pushed the upgrades. Now when asking about a fix, the answer is buy a new unit for 5 Gs with shipping. I am keeping my P3 as a dedicated flight simulator and will work out a solution for the motor drop. I built an SFX 150 7 axis actuator rig for racing for less than the cost of a new H6 and honestly I would never go back. The Thanos controlled SFX actuators are hands down far better than anything DOF Reality is putting out. I really liked my P3 and love my SFU upgrade, I just wish they would have addressed the dropping issue. I think they rushed that SFU to market resulting in a safety hazard failure when freezing or power loss. Emergency Stop should freeze the rig, not have it drop or droop creating pinch hazards. Igor and his company have always been very responsive for support. The price point on the new rigs is leaving Affordability in the dust. Great channel and I am glad you still enjoy your H6 SFU. Now for the love of God buy a Simagic Alpha mini direct drive wheel and ditch that G29😅.
LOL, NOT the DD wheel discussion again!!! I would love to do that... did I mention I have a Patreon ( www.patreon.com/GYGO ) or you can hit the Super Thanks button above :) SO my understanding is with this upgrade you would get the ebrake solution that they implemented that would fix the drooping problem. The cost from the P3 would be $300 for both motors if you send your P-motors back. You might also need the $20 upgrade kit for the control box so realistically $320 and you have the latest greatest... seems pretty reasonable to me. Now I get that you are now doing the actuator rig so you probably won't mess with the P3 at this point but can I ask you what your maximum motion range (in degrees) is on it? I've looked at actuator systems but they seem to have less movement than the H6. Thanks for the comment and I look forward to hearing more about your SFX 150 (I assume 6 DOF?). Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtvI have the H3 with the Gen 1 motors with sfu last year. How do I go to upgrade of the newest motors?
@@buikhan DOF wants everyone who wants to upgrade to contact them directly first... I'd recommend email or phone call. Hope that helps.
@@GYGOtv I wrote a page long response explaining my actuator spec but because I said ST is a rip-off to creators YT deleted my comment. I will catch you on Patreon. Peace.
@@Catch_The_Irishman Thanks for the effort into the reply... I've had something similar happen to me from time to time. I'll look at our Patreon to see what the deal is. Don't forget we also have a Discord Channel that you should be safe to say those things on. discord.gg/WqrV8UvYCM
P6 owner, 12/23 model: I am not overly concerned about the cogging issue - as a matter of fact it does not kill immersion for me (maybe thanks to my BK Pro).
I might still go for the upgrade, but only after DOF comes out with an upgrade path for the P series.
Same boat
I can understand that and I'm glad the cogging doesn't bug you. I've been saying the same thing for a long time now, the Buttkicker can "Mask" the cogging for most people that experience it and it was my go to recommendation before DOF found this fix. It will be interesting to see what they come up with for the P-Series. Thanks for watching.
Such amazing news!! 👏
One thing I noticed though. These new motor set ups are only available for heli and flight. Is this due to the fact that the new motors are not optimal for sim racing?
Doesn't matter to me, as I soley sim in flight, but would this be accurate assumption mark?
Great question! I don't think so... Igor says the performance is not impacted by the gearboxes and I can tell you we had the H3 jumping off the floor at the Flight Sim Expo before I got it tuned properly, so it certainly moves. I think Igor just doesn't think the reducer gearboxes are needed for racing so why not keep the cost down for those people. I have no idea why they aren't on the "universal" model because I would think universal also includes flight... but I don't work for them so what do I know? :)
Thanks for the video, this is great news. I was disappointed with the cogging on my H3 so have already emailed them to order two of the new motors :)
AWESOME!!! This is the perfect upgrade for you then! Please let me know how it goes... from my time on the H3 at the FSExpo, it was super smooth for me! The cost was $300 right?
@@GYGOtv Yes, $300 x 2, as the upgrade is not needed for yaw. I'm happy to get pitch and roll, but to be honest it is really roll that is most noticable.
I've definitely been enjoying my P6 and I do feel the little Cog movements that you're referring to, that doesn't bother me nearly as much as when I'm flying a helicopter in DCS regardless of which helicopter, there's absolutely zero heave up and down that occurs for when you pull up on your Collective or lower it down. Even with the heave setting completely maxed out. But I literally get every other motion tilt roll Sway and all that and it's fantastic and took me almost a year to tune it perfectly right, but sure would love to have the heave movement as well.
@@WilliamDeanPlumbing Hi William, thanks for watching! So the heave movement doesn't usually have anything to do with the platform itself, it is the responsibility of the game to sent the proper telemetry to the platform to tell it to move. So have you tried MSFS or have you tried other programs? I can tell you in Elite Dangerous I get plenty of heave when strafing up and down, so maybe try that if you haven't. I've only flown helicopters a little in MSFS but I did notice the heave on landing... Do you feel that? Also you mentioned you have heave turned all the way up... But have you adjusted the "Max Telemetry" setting for heave? Let me know and we will see if we can sort this all out for you.
Is there anywhere I can try the H3 before I buy it? Thank you. Your product looks awesome.
DOF Reality only did the one Expo this year and likely isn't looking at doing them again anytime soon so not unless you can find somebody with one who lives close by unfortunately. They don't really have any stores or demo places. If you have any questions I can try to answer them for you and I can tell you almost everyone who had a chance to try it at the FSExpo this year thought it was great ua-cam.com/video/LiTKjGwdg0k/v-deo.html Hope that helps?
I seriously think that they can't beat your rig. Your rig is the best. BTW, I am going to buy the Simrig's SR2. Such a sweet pricing.
Well thanks for the compliment... I love my rig too!!! Ya I've looked at actuator systems before but they don't seem to get enough motion for flight. Great for racing though, and super smooth from what I understand. Please let us know how you like it!
Hi. Thanks for the review. I am a long time DOF H3 user and have always thought they were an amazing value. I am a bit overwhelmed by the upgrades and not tech savvy enough to work through some of the issues I am having now. I recently upgraded my Gen 1 motors with new SFU gearboxes. This created a couple of problems. First, I can not calibrate them and DOF has suggested I replace the Arduino in the control box. Second, this makes the platform unstable when I am not using motion. First question - will replacing two of my motor with the newest ones (that have brakes) solve the problem of using the platform without motion turned on? Second (and thanks for your patience), will these motors also need calibration when installed? I apologize if these are dumb questions. Cheers
No dumb questions here... Thanks for asking... I'm still learning about this too but here is my understanding so far. The new motors should freeze it in place... the only thing I'm not sure of is if it will still have a little side play because of the back motor (yaw) but I'd guess it would be minimal if any at all. Much better than it is now. This might be a good question to ask DOF Reality directly, just email or call support. As for calibration, the new motors automatically calibrate themselves when you start the rig so you won't have to mess with it anymore. You will need to upgrade that board in your control boxes for that but sounds like the upgrade will take care of your problems. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
DOF reality definitely pioneered the home friendly motion platforms but today there are better ones out there if you're willing and able to put things together.
Hi greg, please tell us more... I'm sure there are other viewers who would love to know about this option! Thanks in advance.
Ordered mine Tuesday, not sent yet, can't wait to have it
@@cyrilgpilotCongrats! Which one did you get?
The H3. H6 is too expensive 😅 I think it will be enough for me and an entirely new world with the dynamic rig. My little nlr flight simulator lite is ridiculous compare to this wonderful H3.
@@cyrilgpilot That H3 is an AMAZING experience too. I was very impressed by it at the Expo. I think you will like the experience you get from it!
The fact that they didn't make the differences and the reason for the price difference OBVIOUS on their site actually staggers me.
It would be so easy for them to market the difference with clear explanations on the product pages - even including images of the different motors to go with the explanations.
This is the second time that I am aware of this massive lack of information about critical changes. The last one was the inclusion of the SFU upgrades as standard - a massive improvement that contributed to increased prices - with basically no clear explanation on the website when this change occurred. It's nuts to me.
I just do not understand the way this company keeps known and understood (to them) details limited to UA-cam interviews and videos like this one.
I agree, I don't really understand why they did it this way either. That is the big reason I wanted to get this video out ASAP. I can say that I don't think it is any kind of deception or ill will causing this... I just think their Ukrainian culture is a lot different than the way most of us in the West think.
@@GYGOtv Thanks for the reply!
Of course I don't think this lack of detail/information is due to ill will or deception either, because it would only help sell their products as well as provide clarity for their existing customers and potential customers alike.
If it is simply a cultural issue, then they would REALLY be wise to pay someone to provide vital feedback and input such as this point to improve their website. They have your help for the online outreach and communication, but their site also needs some help with missing information/clarification.
Of course this may not stop with their website, since there was also the fact that the upgrade was demoed at FSExpo this year without clear communication to participants that their units would not include it if they ordered immediately or even weeks later!
They might have old stock of motors and want to liquidate them and the only way they can do this is to market it to racing sim users
@@Soarbywire Sure I can understand that... but why not just have the option to add the no-cog reducers instead of putting it under a separate tab? Just seems unnecessarily confusing to me. Thanks for the comment.
Hey my brother good to hear from you and see you. I’m so excited. They only thing is by time you add the tax and shipping for an H6 you’re looking at $9000 if I’m correct what I wanted to ask you is that I have the H3 with the SFU motors, but I don’t have the braking system. Not sure what does that do does it keep the sim from slamming down when you power it off?So I’m going to need the control box kit .So is it possible to do an upgrade kit the old way to make it a H6 compatible with the new motors if this makes any sense like I said price is going to be like $9000 with shipping and tax. Just wanted to know if I can do it that way, adding the new motors and sending the extra parts to make it a H6 upgrade and wonder what would be the price difference and the last question is it looks like if you order a brand new H6 it doesn’t come with the new motor covers that really looked nice. Is that right? Probably would’ve been better to email you lol ,if you would like to email me back with info that would be great. Also OK thanks my brother.
They Richard, as far as pricing I have no idea what that would cost but it certainly should be possible, you would just need that $20 board that updates your control box. DOF is usually really good about getting you what you want as far as upgrades so please reach out to them with your specifics and see what they say. As for the new H6's I can't imagine they wouldn't have the covers? Where did you see that at? The Ebrake system freezes the motors when power is cut so yes it keeps it from settling, but more importantly it stops the rig immediately if you hit the emergency stop button. Hope that answers your questions and we can talk more about it later if not. Thanks for watching.
I have the first gen H6 and SFU upgrade like yours, that being said it would cost me $300 per motor (less $100 per motor if I ship my old motors back) plus $40 per control box for the brake is this correct (is shipping free on the new motors)? Without more information I'm assuming we just remove our old motor and attaching to our existing hardware with perhaps slight modifications in bolts. I'm surprised that since they are on the market now they have not released some videos on it working and installation. I know you will have a video ASP on the upgrade to your H6.
I assume that is correct on the pricing, My math comes to $1840 for mine. As for the details, DOF Reality wants EVERYONE who upgrades to contact them directly so I'm sure you will get the details once you do that. I obviously don't know what they have planned for installation instruction videos but I'll do my best to help out if I can, and of course I'll keep everyone up to date on the progress I make here. Thanks for watching.
Hi, love the channel. I have a dof reality h3 and wish to purchase the new reducers, i also need to purchase 2 gear boxes and the motor break kit. I have the first generation motors so unfortunately they cant offer me al discount for sending them back.
I hlave a question about the reducers.. is this a new motor or a new part that must be connected to my old motors. Your video implies that it is a new motor with the new reducer already connected.
I would prefer to buy an all in 1 solution. I do not want to start building it myself.
Paul
Thanks for watching Paul, appreciate it. My understanding is you should be able to get the upgrade for $500 per motor for your Gen 1 setup (so $1000 because you don't upgrade the yaw motor). You should still get the $100 per motor rebate if you send them back, or did DOF say you couldn't? This is a motor swap so you won't be adding anything to your existing motors, you will just change out your current motor/gearbox with the new ones they will send you. You will also need to get the $20 upgrade to the control box, so you should be set for a total of $1020 without the $200 rebate, $820 if you send the original motors back. DOF Recommends contacting them directly, you will likely send them a photo of your existing setup and then they will give you a final price since there are so many versions of the DOF Rigs out there. Hope that helps, and let me know how it goes.
Hi, because I have the 1st generation of motors they told me they told me I couldn't send them back. They also told me that they are concentrating on the newer motors first, and that I should wait a couple of months. This is all ok. But I really do need clarity on the recieving of a complete motor. I have asked this question but I don't think they are really understanding what I mean
Paul
@@paulmccarron9738 Thanks for the update... it is my understanding that because of all the various models over the years, that they are still sorting out the upgrade path for some. A couple months is consistent with what I'm hearing too, so just wait a bit and I firmly believe there will be an option for you to upgrade. DOF has done a pretty good job of figuring this out for us legacy users and I'm grateful they didn't just give up... so give them a little more time and we will see what our options are. Thanks for comment.
Hi again, just got confirmation from dof reality that indeed it's a motor swap with the new reducers and gear boxes installed. So happy days...
@@paulmccarron9738 That is great news and I'm glad my understanding was correct. So can you still get the $100each rebate with your old motors?
G'day Mark, would you be able to purchase just the DOF frame from Igor so you could use the old motors to set up a new rig after purchasing the new motors instead of returning them?
I bet you could... I have no idea how much that would cost but I'd recommend you contact DOF support and ask. I know I got some additional pieces that I ordered when I originally bought mine. If you find out anything, I'd appreciate it if you let us know what they tell you. I think this is a fantastic idea!
So you would like to buy the upgrade motors, not send the old ones back and get a new frame on top for the old motors.
In other words you would like to get a complete new rig with the new motors.
I bet this would be exactly the same cost in the end for sure.
Nice thinking though LOL
@@Lucas_Pit The whole frame probably would end up costing the same, I was thinking he just wanted the new base and then build the top part or use something he already has?
Great video Mark. I hope you will do a upgrade video for your H6 with these motors. One question that I have is whether these are the same motors that we currently have, but with new attachments at the ends. If so, why not offer just the attachments as a upgrade option?
Hi pchow! I don't think they are the same and that is why you have to switch them out completely. I know Igor had to source them from another vendor so that is what makes me think that. Otherwise why wouldn't they just sell us the gearbox? Maybe we can ask Igor one of these days on a Livestream. Thanks for watching.
@GYGOtv Thank you Mark. When do you think you will get an upgrade product to try out?
@@pchow6829 I have no idea... I'm not even sure what the back order is for these right now and then I'll probably need Darrell (the master fabricator) over here to help me with it depending how complicated it ends up being. Just stay tuned and I'll try to keep everyone posted on this subject. Sorry I don't have a more definitive answer for you.
@@GYGOtv Thanks Mark. I'd received an email reply about availability. It seems they are still trying to work out how to order. Probably don't have good instructions yet either. Will wait to see what other will say about it in the coming months.
Hi Mark, Ive been a subscriber for a while now. I really enjoy your content though my bank balance does not as I've just taken the plunge and ordered an h6r. I was wondering if you could provide some advice regarding motion compensation. What solution do you use and how effective do you find it with your h6? Thanks in advance
Hi David, yes I've seen you in the comments before... thank you for the long term support. This isn't an easy answer and depends on a lot of things on your part. First, are you racing or flying? Second what kind of VR headset are you using? Do you have access to a lighthouse based tracking system? Let me know and I'll do my best to help you more. The good news is there is a solution on a H6, it just depends on the answers to the above questions. And just FYI, I've finally got my motion compensation video in the cue because I am getting this question a lot lately. Looking forward to hearing back from you soon and again thanks for watching!
@@GYGOtv Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Its really appreciated. I will be using my rig for flight - primarily GA with some IL2 and a dusting of DCS. I have an HP Reverb G2 and a Quest Pro though I am leaning towards upgrading to a Crystal Super when it becomes available (and assuming you and other reviewers give it a thumbs up). I've used lighthouses in the past (when I had an HTC Vive back in 2016) and would purchase them again if it is warranted. A video on motion compensation will be fantastic but any advice now on anything I need to buy before my rig arrives would be great. Thanks again for your help and your informative channel
@@David-xk4xx The Quest Pro might work... and since you already have it, you might as well try it. If you are going to go with a Crystal, you are going to need to get the lighthouse faceplate for it along with some type of Steam controllers or tracker (wand, index, etc.) and lighthouses if you don't still have your old ones. If you can send me an email, I'll be able to forward you some photos of the mount you will need to build. Mine is for the Vive Wand but you could adapt one to whatever controllers you end up using. Anyway my email is in the description and on the main page. Talk to you soon.
Great video. My SRS fans should be here soon. Could you tell me where you got your mounts?
Sure thing, they are just fish finder mounts... Scotty Ball-Mount amzn.to/3v7RQve and then we custom built the mounting bracket ua-cam.com/video/zlGQ3N_1LAg/v-deo.html&t-674s They have been on there for almost 3 years and still as solid as day 1. Thanks for watching!
Thanks!
Hi, is getting motion simulator for VR racing and VR flighting really a big game changer and overall worth the money?
Also if I ever want to get one, is H2 enough for just flighting, or does H3 contain some much better experience.
As far as for racing, H3 or P3? Thank you.
Thanks for the question, so yes it is a game changer. For me it was as big of a deal as going from flat screen to VR was, so that should give you a gauge of the impact of motion to your racing and flying. So you don't need a P-series unless you are going to use it in an arcade setting, 8 hours a day/ 7 days a week. My H6 has worked fine, and I use it frequently. The H2 is probably good enough if you are just flying airplanes, probably want an H3 if you are doing helicopters so you get the yaw. If you are racing I HIGHLY recommend the H3 because that gives you the feeling of traction loss and the back end sliding out from under you which is a big deal when driving. Of course I recommend the H6 even more because it gives you all 6 degrees of motion, but I understand that is too expensive for most people. I hope that answers your questions, and if you have any more please feel free to ask them. I have lots of videos about the motion platform on the channel so you might find those interesting as well. Lastly, I do have a discount code in the video 12:41 which will save you 5% and help the channel out as well if you use it. Welcome to this amazing world of motion... it is AWESOME!
Thank you for the detailed answer. Have a good day and keep making this good content :)
@@fr4pe869 I will do my best, if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. Thanks for watching.
Heya! Your videos have been super helpful and I'm nearly ready to pull the trigger, but I've got a couple questions. About 2 months ago I saw the following comment from you, "Personally, I'd wait for the integrated motors that will have everything in one housing. We are only a few months away for that...". Is this the update you were referring to? I'm assuming so, but want to be totally certain.
Also, I'm totally new to the hobby...like every part of it: VR, flight sim, and motion rigs, but I'm not a stranger to flying small aircraft and paragliding IRL. I'm looking for immersion, but I'm also trying to me mindful about dumping money into an unfamiliar hobby. I'm trying to decide between the H2 and H3, and find that point of diminishing returns for myself. At ~45% more $, does the added yaw make the H3 ~45% more immersive/realistic than the H2?
Hey Kevin, thanks for the question. So yes, these new models are what I was referring to previously. The trick is you MUST order it under the Flight or Heli tab on the website to get these, otherwise you are just getting the old version as I mention in the video. As for the H2 vs. H3, the YAW is really a big deal for racing and traction loss in the backend. For flight, yes it adds immersion but I'd say negligible unless you are doing helicopters or maybe dogfighting. Where you really notice it other than that is when you taxi around the airport so it does add to that as well. I guess in the end IF your budget is the most important thing then you can probably skip... IF immersion is most important then I'd recommend getting it... but you will have a great experience either way. I honestly couldn't give up my H6 because I love all the subtle movement from sway, surge and heave but that is probably because I've felt them and would know what I'm missing. Since you've never done this before you will likely love it no matter what you get. What I can tell you is I was in exactly the same boat that you are in when I first bought mine and was really hesitant to spend the money on the H6... BUT I've said this 1000 times now, it was one of the best purchases I've ever made. Hope that helps, and I'd be remiss if I didn't remind you we have a 5% off code that will also help the channel if you don't mind using it. You can find it in the video at the end. Let me know if you have any other questions and welcome to this amazing world of motion simulation.
@@GYGOtv Thank you for that extremely helpful reply! I actually am really interested in sim racing as well, so your traction-loss comment makes a lot of sense and is enough to push me into the H3. And I love that there's an upgrade path to the H6 if I want more in the future.
@@kevinkrueger9171 For sure if you race too then it is a no-brainer! What VR headset do you have?
@@GYGOtv none! I'll be building up everything from scratch, PC included - completely blank slate. I've been holding off on VR for a decade now, and I'm finally ready to jump straight into the deep end.
@@kevinkrueger9171 Well there is no better time to do it! A few recommendations to help. Certainly an NVidia based graphics card... the best one you can afford is always my recommendation. No part of the PC has a bigger impact on VR than the graphics card. I have tons of videos on VR Headsets on the channel, let me know if you have any questions about them. Other than that, really it comes down to preference on HOTAS and Steering wheels etc. Thrustmaster, Virpil, and WinWing seem to be the most popular and everyone recommends a Direct Drive Steering wheel for racing. Hope that all helps and again welcome to this awesome world! Buckle up for an adventure!
thinking of getting one of these for MSFS. I have several button boxes I like using so I don't think VR is for me. Is it still worthwhile if I mounted a 34 ultrawide on the monitor mount they also offer so the monitor moves with the platform? Thanks
@@rickybobby28 Hi, so first off No Flat Screen experience can match the immersion of VR so do yourself a favor and at least find a way to try it. But yes, adding motion still makes simming better even on a flat screen. Every little piece, like motion, haptics, HOTAS all adds to the experience. Also, please don't forget I have a discount code if you do decide to get one. I think you will love it. Something you can also look into is Mixed Reality, it combines VR with the ability to see your real controls, but it is a little expensive right now. Thanks for the question I hope this helps.
I believe they have good equipment, and I have enjoyed my H6 but when I had a problem with my control box. The customer service has been one of the worst I’ve ever dealt with. I have spent one month trying to get it fixed and I offered just to buy a new controller.box and have gotten nowhere. So for me, I wouldn’t think of upgrading to these new motors until I know they have a better customer service program
Ouch, sorry you are running into issues. I know Igor works hard to keep customers happy but sometimes things get missed... if you want send me a copy of your emails with DOF I'll see if there is something I can do to help. Just let me know... my email is in the description.
Hi im needing some help. There was a windows update last week, after the update i heard some thumps from the next room ( i was on the throne) came into have a look the yaw motor had spun the platform sideways , now its stuck there and the platform wont move even in the tunning section. Srs software has a green cross indicating its connected and ive swapped the pitch roll and yaw outputs around pitch and roll make a thud and will lift and roll but the yaw is dead when connectedcto the other outputs, have reinstslled the firmware usingvsmc tools , where to from here, flight simming is boring as with my h3 platform
Wow, weird that a windows update did that... might just be a coincidence. Definitely contact DOF Support, this sounds like something they would need to look into. Please let me know how it goes.
I get motion sickness if I get pushed around so I am looking at the H3. Great video and content thanks 👍
Appreciate it... Montrose... 69 9? I was born in Montrose, Colorado in 1969... Any relationship there to your screen name? You also can usually work through motion sickness if you take your time with it... I assume you DO NOT play in VR? Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv I absolutely play in VR but can only do flight the pushing of the rear end in racing gets me every time. Helicopters can be a challenge. No relation but I got the handle Montrose from a character in a book I loved
@@montrose699 Cool, thanks for the reply, I wondered if you were an old High School Alumni or something but that clears it up. If the back end sliding gets you, you might want to get the H2 so it doesn't do that motion. That will save you some money too. I have a discount code in the video that will help as well. Just be sure you get your unit from the Flight tab like I show in the video so you get the smooth motion too, and please let me know if you have any other questions I can help you with.
@@GYGOtvone thing I am wondering is I have a deskpit which has a F16 ICP and the 2 MFDs so I hope I can attach them
If I have a p3 from 2020, any way of upgrading the motors without buying a while new setup?
Hi CruelYeti, So DOF needs a few more months to find the right solution (likely the correct motor replacement) for the P-Series... What they are allowing you to do right now if you want, is trade your old P-Series motors in for the New H-Series with this Reducer Gearbox that makes everything smooth. You are looking at a cost of about $500 (or only $300 if you ship your old motors back to DOF). You will only need to change out the left and right motors as the rear (the one for yaw) doesn't need this change. I cover this at the end of the video. I hope that helps and thanks for watching.
Hi I have the H3 originally with the gen 1 gearboxes i then upgraded to the sfu gearboxes, i like my setup but the only issue is when the unit isn't powered on the rig will move if i lean on the seat. my question is can i get the brake upgrade kit to work with the sfu gearboxes or do i have to buy the new motors.
The Ebrake will certainly fix that. You can contact DOF Reality directly and ask them if you can just do the ebrake as I have no idea if they sell just the ebrake part. I think the problem you will run into is the ebrake has to be solid mounted and that is why they added the cardan shafts and I don't think your model has that? Honestly, you should consider just doing the full upgrade for only $620 ($420 if you send your old motors back) then you'll have the latest and greatest but obviously that is up to you. Thanks for the question.
Hi could you maybe assist me with some questions? I mainly fly DCS in an A-10 and am about to order a DOF system, if only I could figure out which one to get. I hear the 3DOF is good and can be upgraded, but maybe I can better directly get a 6DOF. I am willing to drop a few grand more in the beginning if it saves me the hassle later and if I will want to upgrade to 6DOF anyways once I experience the system. You have an H6, why not the P6? Should I just get the P6, would it warrant the extra money you think? I see difference in G's between the 3DOF and 6DOF, would I notice/need that extra bit? I see a speed difference between H6 and P6, would I notice this extra bit? I am not really going to do boat takeoffs and landings, maybe a few times in the beginning and to show off to friends when they come over. I probably will stay in the A-10. On the DOF site I see the footprint measures for the systems, but what area do you really need to also account for the movements and the stuf that is mounted on top? For me it is a question to either put the system in my office space, behind my current DCS pc, or if it does not fit I have to set it up in the basement and get an extra PC to run DCS. Much appreciateda as always
Hi Ready... great to talk to a fellow DCS Pilot! So first off you do NOT need a P-Series unless you are running this in an arcade setting 8 hours a day/ 7 days a week. I talk about this here ua-cam.com/video/-Di96UxJzuc/v-deo.html As for the H3 vs. H6, I highly recommend the H6... getting those little cues when you accelerate and also the heave when you land is amazing. If you can afford it, the H6 is a no brainer IMO. Now the H3 will give you a very good experience as well but H6 gives you just that little extra that makes it feel even more real. Jeff Weaver and I talk about this topic in this video if you are interested (it was from a game livestream so sorry about the zombies :) ua-cam.com/video/lsPbbYEy95s/v-deo.html The BIGGEST thing if you are doing flight is MAKE SURE you order from the Flight or Heli Tab on the website (I talk about this a lot in the video for these comments). You absolutely want the new No Cog Reducers and the racing and universal models DO NOT have them. As for space, my H6 sits in about a 5x6 foot area (6x6 would be safe) and I think you can put the H3 in about a 4x5 if memory serves. Also just in case you didn't see it, we have a discount/affiliate code at the end of the video which will save you 5% and also helps us out as well. Would really appreciate it if you use that when you order as well. Pleases let me know if you have any other questions, and I can tell you there has NEVER been a better time to buy a DOF Reality Platform... this new model is the golden egg of motion platforms IMO. Thanks for the questions.
@@GYGOtv Thank you I will go for the H6 then. The affiliate code will be used. How do you use motion compensation? I am in an Aero as well and no idea how to sort that out. Do you ever have tracking issues with the lighthouses? I am using a center stick so also looking for a good seat. Any recommendations there? Using a jetseat currently but will also get a buttkicker once they are back in stock over here in NL. Do you also use belt tensioners? I heard they also add an extra dimension? I think I also have a lot to figure out to move my controls to the motion rig. The new rig will declutter my desk, but will fill up my room! Thanks again
@@Ready.A-10C You are welcome, and thank you in advance for supporting the channel with our discount code. SO I'm working on a Motion Compensation Video (have been for awhile now, it is a very complicated topic). In short you will want to use a lighthouse controller/tracker and mount that to your seat. Then you will use specific software (depending if you are doing OpenXR or OpenVR) to cancel out the motion. I LOVE Lighthouse tracking and still use it today for my setup so you should be good there. As for seat, that really is a personal preference so nothing to recommend other than I was looking at AndASeat as a brand, they seemed pretty good. I really like having armrests because I use them to pull myself around a lot when dogfighting. Belt Tensioners are on my Christmas List and will be looking to tackle that next year but yes I think they could be a really cool feature to add. Be sure to watch my videos on building the H6 if you haven't already... lots of tips and tricks in there to make things just a little better. AGAIN as a reminder, be sure you get your H6 from the Flight or Heli Tab... it is the one that costs $8000 but it comes with the no cog reducers. Please let me know if you have any more questions, and if you want to email me (email in the description) I can send you some photos of the mount I use for motion compensation.
@@GYGOtvI don’t have light house tracking, only a Quest 3. What would you recommend?
@@SoarbywireThe Quest 3 has a solution, I'm actually working on the video for it now. If you can afford it, I always recommend the H6... the extra motion is amazing. If you use my discount code it will also help the channel and save you 5%. You will need some Quest Pro Controllers if you go H6, otherwise you can get away with the Witmotion on the H2/H3. Stay tuned for my Motion Compensation video which will talk about all this in depth. NOTE: Be sure you order the rig from either the "flight" or "Heli" tab on the website to get the latest greatest units.
👍 They listened! 😁
Yep, looks like your option is cheaper for upgrading so good luck with that.
True and mine still works great but this is what the community needs. A factory warrantable solution. Love it!!
I hit the like button first, what do I win? 😆
A 5% Discount Code!!! and my heartfelt gratitude! Thanks for being first!
@GYGOtv Good comeback!😆 Really, those motion rigs are way out of budget. I still enjoy watching your videos.
@@SackyX Agree. I purchased a P3 in 2021 for $2300 shipped, that upgraded rig today is over 5 grand shipped.
@@SackyX Ya they are certainly not cheap but when you consider new video cards are in the $2k range, seems about par for the course. I can tell you just getting an H2 would be amazing compared to no motion so I hope you can swing something like that some day. It really did change my simulation experience in more ways than I expected.
@@Catch_The_Irishman Ya but think of how many changes they have made since then. SFU, Ebrake, Cardan Shafts, Upgraded and more powerful computers in the control boxes, and now the smoothing reducers... It isn't like the unit you purchased compared to what you get when you buy one today. Just my 2 cents here.
I had such a hard time in my upgrade to the SFU for my P6, I am just incredibly gunshy now.
That is certainly understandable! I couldn't have done mine without Darrell "The Master Fabricator" helping me. Honestly, I think that is why DOF is doing this upgrade different. Obviously the natural assumption is you just send the gearboxes to the customer for them to add to the units. Instead it seems like DOF is replacing the entire motor assembly units with complete new motor assemblies and thus it shouldn't be any more difficult than originally putting the motors on the base to start with. At least that is my understanding from what I've seen and heard online. I'm hoping to get Igor back on the channel to clear some of this up so stay tuned and maybe we can alleviate some of your assembly fears that I'm sure many other people have as well. We will see, and thank you for the comment.
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why is p6 more than h6, is p6 better? if so, why didnt you get the p6 instead?
Great Question. No the P6 isn't really "better", the P6 is for commercial use (like a VR Arcade) where you are running the motors 8 hours a day and 7 days a week. The motors are more durable but the performance difference is negligible. I talk about it here in a Q&A session. ua-cam.com/video/-Di96UxJzuc/v-deo.html
Hi, I know that you have some contact with Igor. I was thinking of a project we could have in Norway and were wondering if you could put me in contact with him? Thank you very much Br Nicolai
Can can probably just contact the company via email or their phone number, that would be the quickest. If that doesn't work you can email me your contact info and I'll pass it along to him. My email is in the description and on the main page. Thanks for watching.
@@GYGOtv That is kind, thank you very much. Just sent you an email. Have a great day!
I posted my thoughts on the poor value of this upgrade as it is currently offered over on Mark @ Simhanger's youtube video of this upgrade here ua-cam.com/video/zchGMANYm0I/v-deo.html
In short, return shipping costs to many areas of the world pretty much negates the savings of returning the motors. Also we are paying for motors we don't need, which is a large driver of the high shipping cost. I have asked DOF Reality if it would be possible to pay the $100 they are charging to add these new gearboxes to a new order and just get the gearboxes only sent to me and I will fit them myself, noting one needs to have some mechanical skills to be able to do so themselves. This would reduce the upgrade cost by nearly 1/3 by my rough calculations and is therefore much better value.
I certainly can understand your thoughts and I know that was what Igor had intended initially... but I think there is some difference with these motors from our old ones because I know Igor had to source them separately. I'm guessing there is something that keeps it from being as simple as just bolting on the reducer gearbox... maybe we can ask Igor on a Livestream someday. Again for most people, the cogging isn't even noticed let a lone a deal breaker so for them they don't need to do anything. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
Well hang on. 100 dollars per motor, so if you have the h3, that's 300 dollars. 3 motors to the EU is never gonna cost that much. I used to ship 155kg to China for 110 dollars.
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 EU might have reasonable shipping costs but $274 shipping for 3 motors/gearboxes is the quote to Australia. $220 to the USA.
@@ResetXPDR Ahh I see. Yes I see your point.
Where do they need returning to then? I assumed the EU
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 So you get $100 rebate if YOU ship your old motors back, and I think that means gearbox and wiring too. If you can ship them cheaply then go for it, that just means you get more from your rebate. I shipped some small motors used in Robert's Mod earlier this year and it was over $100 just for 2 small ones to the UK (without gearboxes and wireing). Also, for the H3 you only do 2 motors, you don't need to do the back yaw one. I talk about that in the video. Thanks for the question, hope that clears it up a little.
I have the H3 with the Gen 1 motors with sfu last year. How do I go to upgrade of the newest motors?
@@buikhan You must contact DOF Reality Directly for the upgrade, be prepared to send them a photo of your current motor configuration. They will then give you all the details and a quote. I think you can either call or email them. I Hope that helps
@@GYGOtv I didn’t realize that I was flying the new DOF motor at the expo. I came back to fly the helicopter the second day with you but you were busy, so I missed a chance. Nice meeting you though.
@@buikhan Ahh Yes I remember you well... I actually was on the lookout for your return as I had setup a helicopter experience for you to try. We just must have missed each other... sorry about that. So what did YOU think of the new gearbox reducers?
@@GYGOtv it was so smooth and the sound was not noticeable, I definitely going to upgrade. I got the old frame through, wondering how things going to work out. Maybe, I should buy the whole new set up. I came a bit late that morning, my wife took the family to breakfast. She bought the trip as a birthday gift for me. Are you in California by any chance?
@@buikhan No sorry I'm in Colorado... I'd imagine DOF can get you setup with the upgrade if you wanted to do that, otherwise don't forget the 5% discount if you do get a new one... unfortunately the discount doesn't work for the upgrade :(
What is the different between $3400 & $3700 of the H3?
@@buikhan The smoothing reducers on the expensive one... I talk about it in the video. Thanks for the comment.