Farmall Super M Rebuild Ep.55: Setting Up The Timing - Power Steering Problems - Startup Is Next!!!
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Senior answers some of the more common questions from the comments section, I address a few minor issues with the build, and stay tuned for first start in next upload!
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Boy I think I’d sooner just source the correct OEM fan whether it be new or used and retain the power steering. But that’s just me.
I admire your pragmatism on the power steering - didn't sound like an easy decision! As for 6 vs 12V; I would sacrifice originality for reliability on that one ;-)
When have GM alternators been reliable?
@@billb410 When reconditioned by Squatch Sr?
I learned to hate GM alternators thanks to the constant failures in my wife’s Chevrolet when we were first married, but lightly loaded and running cooler on a tractor, the ones I’ve inherited from previous owners have been fine.
First off, very impressed by both this and the 1113 series. Your tractor do what you want but to me that vintage aftermarket PS setup was one of the cool unique things about this tractor/build along with that vintage aftermarket front end. I would hunt down a fan that clears or work out another way to get a bit more clearance but I don't own a bolt in it. Good work either way and keep 'em coming.
Taking all of the power steering parts back off just because the aftermarket fan doesn't work with the setup. I would have just picked up a used fan at the salvage yard. Power steering on a wide front is nice to have.
One of the best things I ever did was swapping in the power steering on my old D17. Made it like a whole different tractor....
Or trim 1/4 inch off those blades
@@goodfortune6399 Or tweak the blade shape. Could probably bend the edge about 30 degrees or so and still have as much air flow as a stock fan and would keep the fan balanced
Tractor looks awesome and with how in depth you guys have been ill be able to go into my super m and get it going again with confidence
I can't help but think i would have found a good original fan and kept the char-lynn pump. They sure are nice to have!
You be crazy to go back to 6 volt you got it all neat and clean leave it alone it's a working tractor right ☺️
For the purist like Squatch Jr.
I still like the aftermarket alternator build in a Generator housing, looks original with all the advantages of newer technology , the downside is it cost more.
I appreciate the meticulousness. It's satisfying to see someone taking the time to "do it right". So much better than those idiotic TV shows where they have some stupid deadline like converting a trash dump into a luxury home in 45 minutes.
Amazing job on the ole girl... however I'm sad to see the power steering assembly fall off. Good luck gentlemen and please keep up the awesome work.
Wonderful, we really appreciate the hard work you both have put into the project. Looking forward to the start up, and I think its much better without the power steering. Thank you.
Months ago you said this was a working tractor. In my opinion putting her back on 6 volts is a bad idea for anyone living in a state where mornings can be below 0 and you need her to start without question. Can’t wait to see her working next spring 👍 TW
Why not just put a 12v generator on it. Keeps the original look of a generator with the advantage of 12 volts. That what I did on my old Allis-Chalmers CA.
Nice job there Squatch Sr. & Squatch describing the repairs on the Farmall M. Thanks for taking the time to go over the timing, ignition, starting, & charging systems. Too bad that fan & the power steering pump didn't workout. Can't hardly wait to see the Farmall M rolling out into the sun.
Squatch, Don’t act so giddy about dropping the aftermarket power steering! Sr. wants to use that tractor!!
There is no way in the world, l would be eliminating the power steering off of anything! Just find a used oem fan blade and you would be back in business.... That's just me... I do enjoy very much watching your channel👍
I put many, many thousands of hours on our ford 3000 growing up. No power steering. So many times. I talking 10-15, while bushogging, just not looking etc. Hit a hole or some obstruction. My thumb inside the steering wheel. That wheel would spin like a buzz saw. The spoke of the wheel hitting my thumb like a sledge hammer. Never broke it. But WOW did it hurt. I would pay big money for power steering. A must in my mind!!!!
@@b.a.brackus6371 that’s what I was thinking too.? Go back to the orig fan, refurb it if necessary? But whatta I know... honestly it will be great with or without pwr steering.! Kudos!
Love the channel and watching Squatch and Sr working together!
Squatch253 and Senior, I have a one-of-a-kind M cap that I had embroidered and would like to give it to you. I am a wanna be Farmall fan and I would like to see the cap in the hands of REAL Farmall people like yourselves. If you never wear it, It can hang on a nail! Bob Carlson
Sweet, that's looking great. Not sure who's more looking forward to it running, you guys or the fan base. Stay safe guys and thanks again for letting us hang out with y'all.
That tractor looks amazing.
We were taught in trade school way back when that which ever way the rotor turns against spring pressure from the centrifugal advance is the direction the distributor turns. You turn the body of the distributor the opposite direction to the point where the points open which you can do with either a test light or an ohm meter of course with the distributor terminal unhooked and power off. When the light goes off or the ohm reading goes to infinity then you have it close. I like your way also. Basically the same process without using tools.
I used to set my timing back in the days using a low wattage 12v bulb and connect across the points. When you rocked the distributor back and forward the bulb would flicker between on and off. Close enough for starting up a fresh engine! You can also use a multimeter to achieve the same effect, either looking for voltage or change in resistance. If you use the resistance method you do not even need to have a battery hooked up or indeed the coil.
You tacked on that "Don't worry, it's uploading right now" text *just* in time before my head exploded with anticipation!
Congratulations you two, Very educational and informative. Thanks for sharing.
Ive never been so excited in a tractor start in my life! Super M for the win!!
Hook the power steering motor from the live pump on the camshaft, you might need to reduce the pressure to the ps motor.
Excellent video keep up the good work it's nice to see a close to finished project
Great work men, can't wait to hear it run!
Amazing restoration, congratulations! Really enjoyed watching the journey. I had the same experience with the water jacket myself and had to try several times due to gasket failure and block corrosion. Sounds great!
Awesome job gentlemen!! The old iron sounds great....
Thanks for answering the starter solenoid question I posed last episode. It makes perfect sense with it being internally grounded.
That extra terminal on the solenoid is referred to as a resistor bypass terminal.
Nice welcome home Farmall Video! Good Morning Squatch Compound!
I love her anyway you put her together she looks great better than I could ever have done take care guys God bless
I spent a lot of hours on our two M's It's fun to see you rebuild a supper M
Hummm ? OK then .. BUT I would make a custom BRAKET for the pump. I LOVE POWER STEARING. Great video series. Thanks
A mechanic sure has to keep an open mind! That gasket on the side panel causing the coolant leak is a good example. I been zapped lots of times by turning the distributor and not thinking. Good job! The M is looking great!
Use to change them over with one wire delco alternator.. Just the battery terminal is all that is needed.. Cheers from Louisiana....
One thing leads to another!! Since the loaders not going on the tractor. Aftermarket fan doesn't matter and the power steering issue. Great video as always😋
I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the next video!
That's cool squatch lm looking forward to it
Great video. Too bad the power steering wouldn't work but then the tractor came with "Arm-Strong' steering, that's original. Looking forward to the next video.
You did such a nice job on the 12 volt install. I'd leave it as is.
You two have done an excellent job on this project. If you want to leave it 12 volts do just that, it's your damn tractor!!!!!!!!!!
I find it amazing how many people think if an electrical component looks the same it is the same. Simply not true. It is necessary to know how the internal wiring is done. You have cover two of the four types of solenoid I carried on my server truck.
Quite the way to tease us at the end there. 😆
No chance in getting a OEM fan?
I'm surprised you didn't keep the power steering stuff and look for a replacement (i.e., original) fan with narrower/thinner blades.
@@squatch253 I realize it's all water under the bridge, but you and Pops are so good at machining things (I especially dig you making tools as needed...really cool) that I imagine cutting down some fan blades would be something you guys could take care of in the time between finishing breakfast and brushing your teeth. :) But I'm sure you'd thought of that -- and every other possibility -- long ago and would have done it if it had made any sense. Cheers!
Oh man....I thought you were gonna sneak a fire in there.
Can’t wait.
A crescent wrench and a torch and you could have flattened the pitch of those fan blades enough to get your clearance.
I was kinda hoping you were going to eventually put the loader back on
Another great video guys👍 I can understand the desire for power steering if s loader is fitted but have to admit kinna like originality 👍 am afraid that includes alternators 😲☹️👍👍
I would rather find a source for a fan that has enough clearance rather than forego power steering. Manual steering, especially when not rolling and cold weather is a bear. But best to you.
Looks great 😉🖒
I love the old time ignition systems. They were easily adjusted.
Radio Shack went out of business 5 years ago. Trying to find electronic components these days has become a real pain!
Yay, another Squatch253 video! Might want to track down where else you used that gasket material... hopefully not anywhere that a bit of leaking will hurt.
Can’t wait to hear it run
That is cold with the preview but i like what your doing no half assing stuff all your projects are looking good👍👍👍
Funny that you are deleting a power steering setup, while I am trying to put a kit together for one or both of my old Ms. :-)
Man I wouldn't give up My power steering up for anything and I put the loader back on also if it's still a working tractor or has that changed the tractor is sharp looks good
They had 12 volt generators in the past. Dad had a 12 volt gen on like a 1950s lincoln welder
The spiral in the fuel line. Is something I've never thought of or seen. I have had cracks come in hydraulic lines. Generally at a 90 degree bends. When I see that. While running. Put my finger on the line. Every time. Yep, they are vibrating like crazy!!! My fix is more hold down where possible.
Yeah ... hold downs are good for vibrations ... BUT copper pipe 'work hardens' as it expands and contracts and THAT is what the spiral is for ...
I have a twelve volt generator sitting on my shelf in my shed. I took it off my 400 when I converted the tractor to electronic ignition.
Coffee,waffles, and Squatch. Good start for the day.
Well nice work! Not sure leaving the loader assembly off? Is a hood thing! Know you replaced the need with the new tractor/back hoe! But having a secound/original loader would be nice! Also think could make blade mods to keep power steering. But your machine! Also I would not go back to six volt!!! Some upgrades should stay, that is why called upgrades! Still very nice work should be a well running tractor for many years to come!
As far as the alternator is concerned, I figure if you paint it black (or red) it will look just like original equipment and not need to be replaced. :-)
Did I hear you right that the loader isn't going back on? The poor ol' Kubota will have its' work cut out in moving the snow that your plow truck can't. At least the M will be easy to spot out in the field since no salty snow will be encountered.
Disappointment on the power steering. All that work.
Could get an old fan and the clearances might work and be easier.
Why not add a priority flow control to the live power pump . steal 2-3 gpm for the char- Lynn steering! Might slow the hydraulics down a bit but a much more manuverable tractor
Working tractor need power steering, 12-volt alternator, hand clutch three-point hitch then you have the modern version of old tractor
@@squatch253 But you don't add a modern computer to the old tractor so you can still work on it with out buying a super expensive scanner
Can't wait for the next video now! lol
Can't wait !!!!!!!!!!
Radio shack declared bankruptcy in 2015 and it was hurt pretty bad by it. They're still around by with way less locations
RE gasket scraping google "3m green roloc disk" I use a snap on battery powered mini polisher as I dont have air in my workshop, but a right angle die grinder style tool will drive em too. Ohnestly, makes cleaning sumps and timing covers a breeze.
That resistor is an interesting fix. Those GM 3 wire alternators need a little bit of a load on that wire to excite the field. In a vehicle that wire passes through the idiot light or voltmeter to ground.
Owwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!! START IT PLEEEEEEEASE !!!!!!
There is char lynn kit that uses the same pump & reservoir but mounts high and back so the fan clears and its hidden under the hood, i have pictures...
Please SQUATCH please, add LINKS to the bottom of the video description..?.? I never get to see those wavy finger videos, either on my desktop, or my Tablet... Let's crank this fresh Lady UP.,.!.?
For the delco 10si alternator. You can get a 6 volt negative ground regulator. probably a 6v positive ground voltage regulator and rectifier bridge. I dont recall if you need a positive diode trio. Those regulators can be had as self energizing regulators so it becomes a 1 wire unit.
Your rebuild is beautiful!! You are doing a museum quality job. Normally I would say that you're off your rocker to revert to a 6V system but since you won't be putting the loader back on it and it won't be an every day use tractor, I agree that reverting to 6V would make it a complete, era correct Farmall M. Thanks for posting the great videos!
Squatch I know this is supposed to be a working restore but I hope Squatch senior gets to go do a parade or two. It's just to nice looking of a tractor not too!
Radio Shack shut down many yrs ago unfortunately. Don't know of any other company that replaced them.
Bad gaskets happen, usually ended up making our own when we needed a gasket.
What if you used pieces of pipe instead of washers to move the pump? You'd only need longer bolts but that should work. Cheers :)
No way that is not cool, hope to see the next one tomorrow
Squatch I believe I have a couple 6 volt generators. I'll have to take a look. I've sent stuff to Kenny in the past. If interested I'll hunt them down. I've no interest in going back to 6 volt. Not with upstate New York weather. LOL
Yes please fit the power steering, There’s your dinner...
I'll have to look at how it's routed but my 53 super m doesn't have the auxiliary pump to run the power steering. It's run from the live power pump on the tractor and it functions great. Could be a worthy option if you wanted to go that route. Like I said I'll have to pay attention to how it's routed next time I get it out
Trim the back of the fan down - power steering is more important. Once it's running, just hold a grinder/flap disk near the back and take 1/4" off.
Static ignition timing w/points ignition is easy, with voltmeter or trouble light. Take crank fwd to position #1 should fire; w/meter/light on ign primary wire, advance distrib until light on/meter @ full batt voltage, done, snug distrib in position. Very common procedure w/oldie British cars having some centrifugal advance between cranking & idle speeds. Lets hear it purr.
God I hope this cliffhanger dosen't end up like "Alf"
I like the look of an original generator, too, but nothing can persuade me to go back to a 6 volt system, particularly in cold weather. I tried it with my H, but constant problems with resistance in every electrical connection, poor quality 6V regulators available today, and getting the feeling that 6V batteries are such orphans now that they also suffer quality and freshness problems...it wasn’t worth the maintenance and no-start days. The alternator is unseen on an M.
At the current demands in a 6V system, voltage drop across unintended system resistances is killer. A fraction of an ohm here and there and the thing won’t start.
Yeah, they started in 1945, but this was one area where quality was better. I remember the quality of mechanical regulators in the 60s versus today’s. Batteries are much better overall now, but not so sure about the 6-volts.
Nice
An Armstrong steering unit? those are RARE!
seems like all the radioshack in person stores have been closed over the last couple of years but the online ordering is still available
Our local Do It Best hardware store has a Radio Shack section. Maybe a 10x20 foot area, but better than nothing I guess....
What a cliffhanger ...
Alternator. Depends on what you want to achieve - show room - convert back to six volt dynamo - oh, ok, generator! Reliable working tractor? 12 volt alternator. I did n't follow what the 3 amp diodes were for - certainly not battery charging - those alternators can put out 70 to 90 amps in some versions. We lost the equivalent of Radio Shack over here as well, it was called Maplins. BobUK.
I have always called that the Farmall method no matter what brand I was timing.
Oh the suspense!!! I love the preview. Cut off at the very moment......
Catastrophic, yeah. When I got my Allis wd45 going this summer, first run went fantastic, played with it for a few hours, next day I put the hood on, and one of the bolts was just long enough to touch the fan blade, sent the fan blade right into the brand spanking new radiator, ripped out about ten cores, and mangled the fan pretty good. Kinda hurt my feelings a bit.
Think I'd go with a 12 volt gen.
Cool
DOOOOH!!!! :)
Damn I was hoping to see how that system worked, got one on my 53 Super M. And aren’t the SMs 12 volt +ground generator?
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