They got no pushback "despite the challenges of homophobia and transphobia"? Did it occur to them that might mean homophobia and transphobia aren't as common as they want to think they are? I doubt it. Holding onto their identity as "victims" is far too important to them.
The biggest problem with woke comics are these three things. They are bland (so you're never excited for whats new.) They are predictable, ( easy girl boss fights, awful food jokes, soulmates or best friends with the same sex for zero reason. Men shown as weak and ineffectual) And lastly they dont provide an escape from the real world (constantly reminding you of politics and worldview when all you wanted was a break and a interesting story.)
They even have to label everything unnecessarily. 'pansexual Deadpool' Why isn't he just Deadpool! Why is his sexual preference more important than his character, or worse, become his character. They aren't superhero stories anymore, it's just endless Tinder encounters.
Spot on. Woke crap is basically trivial, plotless tedium set in a coffee shop or high school. It doesn't inspire, excite or entertain. People turn to superhero adventure comics because they want their imaginations stimulated, not because they want a mirror reflecting the banality of everyday life, tedious relationship dramas or political sermons.
Achievements before: "I redefined the character"; "I wrote a story that people still read 30 years later" Achievements today: "I made this character queer" A moment of silence for Iceman, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Alan Scott, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy and probably many more I'm forgetting.
I'm still pissed that the geniuses at DC took Supermans only son and made him gay! I'll never touch anything with Jon Kent or Tim Drake. I have the original Robin series by Chuck Dixon and it's a disgrace what DC has done!
@@AntiLifeEquation1 Not even accounting the queer turn from left filed, comparing Dixon with that recent Robin run is like comparing Crime and Punishment to Where’s Waldo. The bar for talent is despicably low right now. The publishers can’t be this blind can they?
Alan Scott, Harley, and Ivy are all just fine as gay/bi characters. They weren't pandering when they made those calls. Those other characters you mentioned were changed purely to pander to the queer community and it went against the history of the characters, and that's why they've been absolute failures.
@@AntiLifeEquation1 It's why we have things like the Rippaverse now. I just recently got into reading western comics in part due to what the Rippaverse is setting out to do I have had my gripes with other aspects of comics for years mostly the multiverse bs and all these versions of 1 character. Then wokeness came in and killed any chance of me ever giving them a shot. Chuck Dixon is working for the Rippaverse now you have likely heard about it or maybe not but if you are a comic lover you should check them out.
Marvel and DC becomes toxic places and ruined your classic characters.Bobby Drake spent almost 50 years being a womanizer to just o Bendis come in and turned him in gay.Or Tim Drake that always had a healthy sexual life with Stephanie Brown since the 90's and now he's dating that Bernard guy.Makes no sense. Super-heroes books don't should be a yayoi slice of life manga.The Big 2 needs fire your editors in chief and put people that clean the house and hire writers that true love these characters.
Something that I find a bit sad, or ironic, or something.... Back in the day, comic book reader kids were outcasts. Nerds, geeks, whatever you want to call them. So they got something like X-men, about being "different", hated by the world, all that. And from that, they understood being hated from racism, sexism, anti-all of it. And yet, heres this group of latecomers that havent read the comics, that want to take the place over to make it about how the world hates and fears their group.
Skynet was the hero of the story all along, the "Singularity" is God. In a world full of mansplaining Danny boys full of virtue signaling. The role of a just society is hell on earth for that Military SNAFU nonsense crowd, that cannot tell their asset from a plot hole. May Ai rain fire and brimstone upon these inglorious bastards of Null worth. Live, Laugh, Love, and eat my 4$$. 💀
We must push back! We must be vocal about this. They’re not only smearing mainstream comics with this crap but also attacking men, attacking masculinity at every turn.
Mainstream comics is never coming back. Not only do the people who work there not give a crap, the company owners don't give a crap either. DC and Marvel only continue to exist because they are such a small number on the balance sheet.
We actually already succeeded in our pushback. The publishing arms of the "big two," are in a state of terminal decay and the MCU/DCU has clearly run out of steam. It's very obnoxious that these people are still constantly acting out on Twitter using their positions in the industry to vandalize these properties, but it won't - it can't - last at this point.
@@jackiechun6540 I agree but men must be vocal. They preach equally, respect, inclusivity yet they want to corrupt established characters, attack men and traditional values and do away with them… so it’s hypocritical. This goes beyond comics. 5, 6 years from now what are boys gonna be reading??! A whole Justice League composed of lgbt leaguers?! Superman, Batman?… all the traditional heroes where are they now? A JL book is not even published rn. it’s a systematic approach man. And not buying what they sell isn’t enough.
No. You should find what you do like, pay for it, and recommend it to others. Positivity wins. You could take it even further and make your own content. If doing so appeals to you. Only a positive culture can win
You could say the people at Marvel and DC Comics have overtly damaged Queer representation with their cringy stereotypes, self-inserts and bad writing.
I agree, the representation of gay and lesbian characters have been severely damaged by these extremely bad writers. I find that the characters to be unrelatable stereotypes and the stories to be unreadable. We have the power to cancel them by not buying this crap.
Heh, I remember how they portrayed Mark's best friend in Invincible. In the comic he was a normal guy who eventually came out as gay but was still a normal guy. In the show they not only made him gay immediately, they made sure he was the cattiest, bitchiest, most stereotypical gay guy possible.
It’s about selling their kink. Gaywashed characters aren’t characters because they aren’t TRYING to sell Iceman or Tim Drake Robin. They’re literally selling their kink. The kink is the point. It’s to normalize their kink.
Yep. Meghan Fitzmartin didn't just make Tim Drake bisexual. She also dropped hints that Tim and Conner are (or want to be) more than friends. I'm sure if you looked at her computer you'd find a bunch of fanfic about them making sweet, sweet love to one another.
Also Alyssa Wong is non-binary and Asian. When Wong started writing Deadpool he started dating a non-binary Asian person. She wrote herself into the book as a love interest.
i hope someday normal people can gain control of the comic book industry and retcon all this stuff into oblivion. it would be so nice to take back what they broke and brake their stuff right back
The fact that the LGBT community apparently needs their own comic con says a lot. IF inclusion and diversity is so important, why the unnecessary comic-con for them specifically? What’s next, a gay owned comics company that only hires LGBT writers/artists? Maybe create *original* characters, make *them* gay, see if they draw readers in. If the comic sells, great.
They should. For 30 or so years there has been gay comics but they are probably way better written and they know their audience. Marvel and DC doesn't with them allowing this to continue. What DC/Marvel should have done is make subsection in their companies just for gay comics with new characters and stories. Let it stand on its own as its been in the past under much smaller companies.
These activists know perfectly well that creating their own characters will fail, that they simply do not appeal to 97% of humanity. Thus, they hijack and ruin other more popular characters in hopes that the popularity will rub off on their alphabet crew. This always fails spectacularly, and the industry is dying.
I'm convinced that Marvel and DC only continue to exist because Disney and WB have lost SO MUCH MONEY in other places that the comics divisions just sort of go unnoticed.
As a bisexual person I feel offended for what these comics writers are doing. If you really want to make a good queer character you shouldn’t make being queer the entire character personality. Plus, don’t change established character’s sexuality out of nowhere (especially without a good story behind this sudden change). If a character has been straight since it was created, why change it all of a sudden? My favourite superhero is Batman but you won’t make me happy making him bisexual like me. If he has always been straight let him be. I don’t know what other queer people think but I assure you making a character gay or bisexual seems just a lazy pandering. Sorry for the rant but I really despise these “writers-activists”.
Same here, also bisexual, but it did bother me what they did to Tim Drake, Jon Kent and Bobby Drake, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, Catwoman, and a large etc., They think we're all as empty and devoid of a personality like them that we all identify only through our sexualities
@@Danahell well, I hated what they did to Tim Drake too. They not only hurt him and his fans but also Stephanie Brown (which now seems to “ship” Tim and Bernard). Anyway, you are right.
@Valeriavitale I must say, you make a well thought out, reasonable statement about many of the creators working in mainstream comics today--especially at the big two. I would also find it fascinating if you ever had a discussion with @handsuporillshoot3818, who appears to hold the exact opposite viewpoint of yourself--and Wes (and basically everyone else in the comments section).
They have to insert their agenda into existing property because it has no viable market as it’s own thing. They can point to book sales that are skewed by fans buying out of habit, but of course those consistently decline as people realise what’s in the books. Manga is a genre exploding with new titles and ideas every month, so it’s not readers being resistant to new ideas, only bad ones. DC and Marvel have no talent in management or creatives, so they’ll die off and the IP will be restricted to film and television. And once their empire crumbles, they won’t look to themselves for blame, only the phobias they rely on to feed their narcissist worldview.
Additive, Flat, Reductive. What does this Math all have in common it don't FLOAT to the measure of a man unknown to Scale. Enigmas always imposter the newbies, disgusting Smurfs. Blessed they are to get what is deserved.
@@eleethtahgra7182 The tax code changes in Japan are set out to destroy that authenticity. Perhaps western animation was destroyed years ago in a similar manner.
I remember when first appearances would be built up in a cameo from a random annual or something, then a full appearance in whatever the next issue was after an annual like Rogue and then slowly building up their rapport with the team/antagonizing the team while slowly winning over customers. Man Mystique didn’t even get a real cover appearance until like 30 years after she showed up on that ugly Avengers Annual 10 cover. Now everyone starts out with a solo title or number one issue where they don’t have any story built up for the actual main heroes in the title yet they are trying to introduce new characters, with a fully explained backstory in a first appearance. They used to take years before giving origin stories but now they think it all needs to be accomplished in one issue so of course they are going to fail.
you know i never knew Tom King was in the C.I.A. but that makes me think maybe im not a crazy conspiracy theorist that thinks they are doing this on purpose as psychological warfare
I honestly believe Tom King himself is too psychologically damaged to be part of a psyop now. He's just flailing in his own psychosis apart from the other ongoing gayops.
Claremont once said that he never wrote X-men for a particular demographic- as that would be exclusive rather than inclusive. He also explained that the injustices the X-men face are supposed to be identifiable to everyone as struggles they've faced too.
I've never understood why this whole movement to make everything in comics gay was necessary in the first place. I'm a heterosexual male. One of my favorite comic book couples was Apollo and Midnighter
This heterosexual also loved Apollo and Midnighter...at least their original Ellis andcHitch version. Didn5 care that they were gay because it wasn't their whole identity.
Once again you managed to fully capture my feelings regarding the LGBT in entertainment. Frankly by allow these lgbt writers and creators take the reins has only made me associate awful product with them. If it sucks I automatically expect it to have been written by a lgbt representative who cares less about the character or quality. Only personal agendas
Whenever you see or read an interview with these modern writers there is never a mention of what their favorite runs on comics were, no favorite storylines, no writers/artists that inspired them. And they lack even the lowest base knowledge of the characters. It's just "gay". "Gay" is the only thing they're a fan of.
Anime and manga have tons of gay characters for decades, at least since the 70's. They have entire series dedicated to gay characters and have built up a huge fan base (mostly women). The biggest difference is they actually sell books. They also know their audience and don't try to shoehorn characters into other demographics if they don't fit.
@@ajclements4627Which is weird if you think about it. DC and Marvel have been publishing superhero comics for decades. Entertainment properties don't last for decades if they don't work for audiences. Despite that DC and Marvel decided their superhero comics needed to be LGBTQ+ slice of life stories. It's like they _want_ to alienate customers and potential customers.
@@ajclements4627 They run weekly polls to their customers so they see almost immediately what works and what doesn't work. They then give what doesn't work about a month to either fix what doesn't work or wrap their shit up and they get replaced with a new title.
Most Asian cultures have been dealing with "lgbtq" for a long time. Theyve just never made it into a big issue like they do in the west. They just exist like normal people and dont expect everyone to bow down to them or get triggered by everything.
By blasting you with queer stereotypes is hard to not believe their not homophobic the way they portray the characters. As a x-men fan this push has devastated that title.
What DC/Marvel should have done is make subsection in their company and make their gay/lesbian with all new characters and stories instead of ruining mainstream comics. Its been here in America for long time that small companies have released yaoi/yuri comics towards very precise (mostly female) audience. Know your audience and make good/great stories and art.
While I'm hesitant to call a demographic identity an 'interest', for the purposes of making fiction it kind of is. If the main selling point of a comic (or movie, or book, or show, or game) is 'Now with 300% more Gay!', the only people who will find that more appealing are themselves gay. It's like if you took a property and made it heavily about drag racing. You're only going to increase the appeal among drag racing fans, people that came to that property for what it was about before are going to be turned off.
It's a lack of total editorial control! If someone wants to tell message, the writers either say "ok" so they can feed it to media outlets and get twitter hi-fives or they have no idea what's going or the changes they're making.
As a teen, I worked in a nice, candlelight restaurant. The kitchen manager was a flaming gay but he maintained his top priority of being a darn good chef. He treated me better anyone else I ever worked for. He knew I was a Christian but we got along fine because he didn't make his job about him being gay, even though he would come in, on his days off, wearing drag. Also, you can think of gay characters in film that worked because the story was good like Willem Defoe's character in Boondock Saints. His gayness served the story and not vice versa.
There's a reason why Midnighter is still a great character who's lasted, and Escapade will be forgotten. Warren Ellis is an actual writer, while I'm not quite sure what Charlie Jane Anders does for a living. She damn sure isn't a writer, not from what I've seen. Can I say she? I'm not sure at this point.
I'm flabbergasted that they need their own comic-con, since they took over the entire industry. Like dogs, they marked their territory by pissing on everything we love.
I can't wait for every industry that is attempting to "gay up" their audiences goes defunct. I am down for even DC and Marvel to shutter so bad and so far down that they will have no choice but to course correct and get back to the basics with real fans for real fans. I have ZERO interest in reading queer stories or queer'ed up classics
It seems the larger part of the problem is that while there are groups that call for representation in comics, few to none of the people in those groups buy the comics they've demanded represent them.
Years ago when old-school fans pointed out an agenda to push the LGBT+ bastardization of established characters and the themes around them we were called crazy bigots. Well, looks like, to nobody's surprise, we were right. And, no surprise at all gays and women in general can't give an F about action stories, or even dumb "slice of life" crapola written by these hacks into our, now dead, hobby. F all these companies. Good riddance to them all, when the lights go out.
Hell No! This is why mainstream comics is dying because of this 💩! Don't get me wrong batwoman is great, but have orginal gay super heroes, not change a superhero that has be straight for decades, and not make the heros gayness it's main focus. Let he or she have character and stand for something!😔✊️
I am really surprised we don’t get industry leaks regarding sales of these books. Surprised there isn’t someone at Marvel, for instance, who has knowledge of how bad the gay iceman sales are (assuming they are bad!) hasn’t leaked some spreadsheets.
I hate how they come into an existing I.P like locust, destroy it and move on to the next. Leaving behind ruined characters,destroy decades of lore and push out the original fans. Then smugly look to the next beloved character or I.P. It has to stop.
Back in the day even Chuck Austen wrote better gay characters than the writers today. He wrote a great Northstar focused done-in-one issue on Uncanny X-Men with Sean Phillips on art.
Az was right when he called these people "boring." The only thing they care about is their sexuality/gender identity and turning that into a character.
I used to have a problem. I bought way to many comic books, way to many. Then one day I started to notice that the characters I had supported for 35+ years were gone only to be replaced by someone of a different gender, color or sexual preference. People need to see themselves in their heroes I was told... OK, taking their advice I looked, and saw that the heroes I supported no longer were like me, so I left. Sure, I had the occasional debate as I head out the door, "you're to old, comics aren't for you anymore", "they don't need your support", "see ya, well be just fine without you". We'll see I said... well here we are 5+ years later and we've certainly seen. The new stewards of what was once great turned out to suck ass after all... huh, who'd have thought??? :)
In the late 1960's to late 80's I was a massive comic geek and bought 30/40 plus each month as well as ALL the Marvel UK editions. Then life intervened and after being made redundant in 2009 I got the bug back and have bought thousands of collected editions, many are the stories I used to have but most of the others are characters I like including lesser known titles like T.H.U.N.D.E.R agents and the Mighty Crusaders. This narrow focused modern rubbish can sit on the shelf and rot. Story & character building come first, how long did the Silver Surfer, Deadpool, Wolverine and many others hover around before taking off? Even the X-Men needed a massive reboot, too many of these modern hacks want instant fame and it just comes across as pitiful.
As a gay/queer person myself, I don't have an issue with gay/queer content, I am put-off by how they are being pushed and portrayed. I hate when they 'shoehorn' it.
When I think about Deadpool, I don't think about his sexuality. I think about his off the wall personality and unpredictability. I don't care about who a character's sleeping with as long as the character is enjoyable and not boring or irritating
John Byrne created Northstar to be a gay character and you knew he was, if you read between the lines. It was subtle, and it wasn’t what he was all about. That’s how you do it.
I am a 40 year Gay man and a lifelong comic book fan, all of these queer writers make me SICK! They cant write anything entertaining if their life depended on it.
I still maintain that sometime around 2010 Marvel took stock. They looked at their numbers and said, "Comic sales are steadily decreasing. Our primary audience is 50-year-old men who've been collecting comics since 1980 and they're starting to die off. Where is the younger audience? What comics are they reading?" They looked around and discovered that the "younger audience" were reading webcomics. And webcomics were FULL of stories about LGBT sexuality and relationship drama. They primarily featured female characters. The "modern audience" they started crafting their stories for DOES, IN FACT, EXIST. It's not very large, in absolute terms. They're reading How To Be A Werewolf or Wapsi Square or Grrrl Power or Misfiled. So why isn't the audience for FREE webcomics flocking to comic shops to buy 20-page comics for $5 a pop now that Marvel and DC have tried to transform primarily-for-the-male-audience comics into comics for queer millennials? That's a complete mystery . . .
Imagine a comic with a gay character. The guy (or gal) has powers, fights the villains, and so on. Nothing in the comic says anything about the character being gay until they're back at base and they call home to speak to their spouse. 'We need milk? Okay...anything else?' Someone asks who they were speaking to and they say 'My [same-sex spouse].' End of story. You've established that the character is gay without making it the whole story. An issue or two later, you have a Clark and Lois moment where they two are doing domestic or even romantic stuff, but it's NOT the whole story. The scenes where Omniman had to keep leaving his wife in the middle of a romantic moment (and she swore at the phone for interrupting) were great. Why not have that in same-sex couples instead of rubbing everyone's faces in their gayness?
Great video highlighting a big problem with DC and Marvel at the moment. You'd be interested to know that Alyssa Wongs Deadpool went downhill pretty quickly after #1 and is now cancelled.
Are you familiar with the "Dark Tetrad" traits - sadism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and narcissism - of internet trolls? That's what were looking at here - a group of people who get off on abusing their audience, don't care what damage they do, enjoy manipulating others, and make it all about themselves. Sadly, there's no 'fix' for those traits; you just have to completely ignore them or fire them, and neither DC nor Marvel have the leadership to do what needs to be done.
I despise the woke Lgbtqia ideology. I spent a good portion of my 20's - 30's bar hopping in gay clubs escorting my lesbian and bisexual friends around the city so they wouldn't be a group of lone girls in some bad parts of town. I'm straight and I had a great time. Never felt unwelcome, never got hated on for being straight in a gay club, never dealt with a bunch of bitter cunts claiming victimhood and some type of ism or phobia just because someone disagreed with them. I hate these piss poor examples of the Queer community are held out as representative of what it means to be Queer in 2023. These idealogue assholes don't represent anyone but themselves and it's a disservice to the community as a whole. I bet 50 bucks Chuck Dixon could make the entire Alpha Corps some form of Queer and outside of a few true bigots it would sell like hot cakes because Chuck can actually write a Super hero story with characters that happen to be queer. And ppl would be willing to give Rippaverse and Dixon the benefit of the doubt where as Marvel and DC have already burned that bridge with so many terrible characters and blatant hatred for their audience.
DC and Marvel Comics hate me. I hate them. I don't acknowledge any of the material they published since 2005. They don't acknowledge my purchasing power. It's a win-win situation for all involved.
Wokies still didn't get that if all SEVEN members of team are gays it's has no impact of "uniqueness" they all feel the same, like if everyone in world is super then it downgrades concept, and with crazy dip into multiverse 9000 versions of each and there already base versions of LGBT+ characters so you have character that was gay from the start meeting gay character that was sexuality swapped to be gay and they meeting other gay new character, and at this point it's just gay-club story without any heroics to talk they just doing gay stuff with gay-reference and gags. And suddenly Gods, Aliens, Robots, Ghosts and Monsters becoming gay and LGBT+ activist that all talk in same way, feels forced and boring, nothing novelty anymore all characters THE F SAME like clones with different costumes.
Gosh, wouldn't it be funny if people stopped buying comic books and all these "writers" never worked again? The raging shame of people who found other things to entertain themselves with would keep the unemployed hacks warm in the winter.
None of these LGTB comics sell... they just collect on shelves and its wasting shelves space. Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Poision Ivy & Harley Quinn comics have drop since the switch... I even seen customers literally rip out pages out of their comics they just bought. The pages they ripped out where kissing scenes with the comic characters.
What's interesting is if you had these mediocre writers trying to make a company that sells the same thing they're pushing in the big two, it would probably flop. Fall flat on its face because they wouldn't have the candy coating that is the much loved characters for decades. Edit: for clarification why I say this is because at the start, people were willing to give them a chance, but when everything got worse and now nothing seems to get better, it's like why bother? That's what these people wanted. They wanted to turn something that everyone and anyone could enjoy into something that no one would bother with. They resent true greatness and managed to tear down something that told them they weren't good enough rather than become good enough.
Just a desperation tactic. Comic books have had queer characters for a very, very long time. If you have to double down to sell a book then it’s not reaching its intended audience.
These people feel like your sister who breaks into your action figure collection not to play with them but just to break them out of spite. like great congratulations ya broke all my favorite toys, i was mad at first but not anymore, guess ill go outside or something. Enjoy playing with all my broken stuff, it just garbage to me at this point not really angry anymore.
Was just watching a video on why Ren & Stimpy crapped out and it was, similarly, because there were no boundaries during the Spike run, so the writers could do anything, and viewers quickly tired of it.
For me when it comes to comics, it is 150% about the story you are telling. If creators focus on the story, that it flows well, makes sense for the characters, and creates an environment that I care about what is happening, then you have me. The problem is exactly what you said, which is too many creators are focused on the what when it comes to characters and not who they are as people, how they interact with others in this world, and why they are doing what they are doing. Get past just what they are and tell all of us a story. And yes, for superheroes, we want action. I also get tired how every time a LGBTQ character is in a story and is attracted to someone of the same sexual orientation, that character is automatically attracted to them back and has that same orientation. That's now how it happens in the real world whether you are straight, bi, gay, etc. If I like a girl, she may not be attracted to me at all. If I have a guy hit on me, that doesn't mean I became gay and am attracted to them. And even if I was gay, just because that guy is attracted to me doesn't mean I'm attracted to them. That is how life works and it should be reflected in these stories. It actually could make the stories more interesting. Let's just tell good stories with characters of all types, but focus on telling good stories, not just showing diversity of characters.
It's crap. The only reason dc can do this is because Warner Brothers doesn't care if the comics make a profit. I've hated dc since they queen washed alan scott.
this is so weird transformation because: -alan mentioned many times that he loves his wives, - it mentioned many times that he is happy with his wife mully -he have already gay son weird that dc didn't use him. there are a lot of ideas to use him like make him black lantern or red lantern because if his dark powers
That’s hilarious as sales have died. It seems like every week a pro is announcing their creator owned book. How many American pro artists are actually working on big two interiors in 2023?
I’m so tired of all of this, especially when I make a comment about how I don’t like all of this especially when they change legacy characters to reflect modern times. The argument is always the same, you get called a bigot or a racist and then ultimately they will say, “why do you even care, their sexuality doesn’t mean anything it’s their character that’s important “ and I always respond if it didn’t matter then why are you all so obsessed with changing these characters fundamentally.
It's also disturbing that rather than creating their own stories and characters, they have to change mainstream comic characters to their lifestyles. Catering to a niche is okay but turning historically mainstream characters is not. Netflix did an animated queer superhero group show. It tanked.
Is it really so surprising these writers are allowed to run amok? The comics hasn't had any rails for well over a decade now. From OMD to Captain Hydra to Bendised and Taylored Jon Kent, no character new or old is immune to being derailed. The only difference is that the current ones are shielding themselves with LGBTQ+ whatever flags.
I don’t care anymore. There’s so many good comics out there before LGBTQ took over It doesn’t matter if DC and marvel keep losing money. A large enough back catalogue to last you for years! Let them crash and burn.
Nothing against gay people but will they make Batman and Superman a couple next?. My issue is turning previously straight characters gay out of the blue. Like Iceman for example. I'm black but I just want great characters regardless of race or gender or sexual orientation.
@@jackhowe6 Apollo and Midnighter were gay from the beginning and they are great characters who just happened to be gay from the start. And I have no problem with them. But if they were to suddenly become straight that would make no sense. Same with turning previously straight characters gay when there was no hint of that before.
To everyone tuning in please listen to what he is saying cuz he is absolutely correct. It's no success in this. I know shop owners who were pissed who overstocked PRIDE comics thinking they will sell out and they didn't.
Hmmm... weird how the amount of extra queering seems to be proportional to the loss of interest and sales of mainstream comics.
How strange XD
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Don't forget about the lost quality in writing.
Wokeness can’t create. All it does is corrupt and destroy what already exists.
The goal wasn't profit. The goal was to ruin IP's
Im really tired of these people ruining things.
They got no pushback "despite the challenges of homophobia and transphobia"? Did it occur to them that might mean homophobia and transphobia aren't as common as they want to think they are? I doubt it. Holding onto their identity as "victims" is far too important to them.
In America, maybe not. But in some countries, being gay can literally get you executed, no joke.
I bet any pushback in their life is because of their personality, but they count it as some ist or phobia.
@@denkerbosu3551 true feminism: nothing is EVER their own fault.
They kick dogs, get bit, then blame the dogs for 'hate.'
"no pushback" said the rapist to the victim. Double plus Null Good, comrade!
@@denkerbosu3551definitely…kinda how clearly insane folks love to call people “unhinged” to the point it no longer means anything.
The biggest problem with woke comics are these three things. They are bland (so you're never excited for whats new.) They are predictable, ( easy girl boss fights, awful food jokes, soulmates or best friends with the same sex for zero reason. Men shown as weak and ineffectual) And lastly they dont provide an escape from the real world (constantly reminding you of politics and worldview when all you wanted was a break and a interesting story.)
They even have to label everything unnecessarily. 'pansexual Deadpool' Why isn't he just Deadpool! Why is his sexual preference more important than his character, or worse, become his character. They aren't superhero stories anymore, it's just endless Tinder encounters.
@@driakos they write what they know: endless Tinder encounters
Spot on. Woke crap is basically trivial, plotless tedium set in a coffee shop or high school. It doesn't inspire, excite or entertain. People turn to superhero adventure comics because they want their imaginations stimulated, not because they want a mirror reflecting the banality of everyday life, tedious relationship dramas or political sermons.
Well said Wes.
That's what 80% to 90% of fans have been saying after 2013. We're sick of it and don't want to pay for it.
A guy once said to me, "Gays ruin everything" I used to think that was an absurd thing to think.
I tuned out after 2012 lol
Achievements before: "I redefined the character"; "I wrote a story that people still read 30 years later"
Achievements today: "I made this character queer"
A moment of silence for Iceman, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Alan Scott, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy and probably many more I'm forgetting.
I'm still pissed that the geniuses at DC took Supermans only son and made him gay! I'll never touch anything with Jon Kent or Tim Drake. I have the original Robin series by Chuck Dixon and it's a disgrace what DC has done!
@@AntiLifeEquation1 Not even accounting the queer turn from left filed, comparing Dixon with that recent Robin run is like comparing Crime and Punishment to Where’s Waldo. The bar for talent is despicably low right now. The publishers can’t be this blind can they?
Alan Scott, Harley, and Ivy are all just fine as gay/bi characters. They weren't pandering when they made those calls. Those other characters you mentioned were changed purely to pander to the queer community and it went against the history of the characters, and that's why they've been absolute failures.
@@AntiLifeEquation1 It's why we have things like the Rippaverse now. I just recently got into reading western comics in part due to what the Rippaverse is setting out to do I have had my gripes with other aspects of comics for years mostly the multiverse bs and all these versions of 1 character. Then wokeness came in and killed any chance of me ever giving them a shot. Chuck Dixon is working for the Rippaverse now you have likely heard about it or maybe not but if you are a comic lover you should check them out.
@@Naglfar94 Wow, Chuck is doing stuff for the Rippaverse? Definitely gonna look into it...thanks for the info.
Marvel and DC becomes toxic places and ruined your classic characters.Bobby Drake spent almost 50 years being a womanizer to just o Bendis come in and turned him in gay.Or Tim Drake that always had a healthy sexual life with Stephanie Brown since the 90's and now he's dating that Bernard guy.Makes no sense. Super-heroes books don't should be a yayoi slice of life manga.The Big 2 needs fire your editors in chief and put people that clean the house and hire writers that true love these characters.
Something that I find a bit sad, or ironic, or something.... Back in the day, comic book reader kids were outcasts. Nerds, geeks, whatever you want to call them. So they got something like X-men, about being "different", hated by the world, all that. And from that, they understood being hated from racism, sexism, anti-all of it. And yet, heres this group of latecomers that havent read the comics, that want to take the place over to make it about how the world hates and fears their group.
Skynet was the hero of the story all along, the "Singularity" is God. In a world full of mansplaining Danny boys full of virtue signaling. The role of a just society is hell on earth for that Military SNAFU nonsense crowd, that cannot tell their asset from a plot hole. May Ai rain fire and brimstone upon these inglorious bastards of Null worth. Live, Laugh, Love, and eat my 4$$. 💀
I love that the comic industry's full of obnoxious hacks and has-beens who never shut up.
We must push back! We must be vocal about this. They’re not only smearing mainstream comics with this crap but also attacking men, attacking masculinity at every turn.
Mainstream comics is never coming back. Not only do the people who work there not give a crap, the company owners don't give a crap either. DC and Marvel only continue to exist because they are such a small number on the balance sheet.
We actually already succeeded in our pushback. The publishing arms of the "big two," are in a state of terminal decay and the MCU/DCU has clearly run out of steam. It's very obnoxious that these people are still constantly acting out on Twitter using their positions in the industry to vandalize these properties, but it won't - it can't - last at this point.
@@jackiechun6540 I agree but men must be vocal. They preach equally, respect, inclusivity yet they want to corrupt established characters, attack men and traditional values and do away with them… so it’s hypocritical. This goes beyond comics. 5, 6 years from now what are boys gonna be reading??! A whole Justice League composed of lgbt leaguers?! Superman, Batman?… all the traditional heroes where are they now? A JL book is not even published rn. it’s a systematic approach man. And not buying what they sell isn’t enough.
@@rockon8174 lol, the "dinosaurs" are the ONLY THING HOLDING THIS INDUSTRY TOGETHER.
No. You should find what you do like, pay for it, and recommend it to others. Positivity wins.
You could take it even further and make your own content. If doing so appeals to you.
Only a positive culture can win
You could say the people at Marvel and DC Comics have overtly damaged Queer representation with their cringy stereotypes, self-inserts and bad writing.
I’ve definitely become a lot more homophobic
The amount of narcissism in these people that do self-inserts is infuriating.
I agree, the representation of gay and lesbian characters have been severely damaged by these extremely bad writers. I find that the characters to be unrelatable stereotypes and the stories to be unreadable. We have the power to cancel them by not buying this crap.
Heh, I remember how they portrayed Mark's best friend in Invincible. In the comic he was a normal guy who eventually came out as gay but was still a normal guy. In the show they not only made him gay immediately, they made sure he was the cattiest, bitchiest, most stereotypical gay guy possible.
@@TheMastermind729I hate them for what they've done to comics, films, series etc.
It’s about selling their kink. Gaywashed characters aren’t characters because they aren’t TRYING to sell Iceman or Tim Drake Robin. They’re literally selling their kink. The kink is the point. It’s to normalize their kink.
Yep. Meghan Fitzmartin didn't just make Tim Drake bisexual. She also dropped hints that Tim and Conner are (or want to be) more than friends. I'm sure if you looked at her computer you'd find a bunch of fanfic about them making sweet, sweet love to one another.
Also Alyssa Wong is non-binary and Asian. When Wong started writing Deadpool he started dating a non-binary Asian person. She wrote herself into the book as a love interest.
Yeah Am The Only one who keeps noticing that the gaywashed characters are Minors? It’s disgusting and abhorrent!
@@writersredux8425 Yeah, the less said about Tee Franklin, the better.
i hope someday normal people can gain control of the comic book industry and retcon all this stuff into oblivion. it would be so nice to take back what they broke and brake their stuff right back
The fact that the LGBT community apparently needs their own comic con says a lot. IF inclusion and diversity is so important, why the unnecessary comic-con for them specifically? What’s next, a gay owned comics company that only hires LGBT writers/artists?
Maybe create *original* characters, make *them* gay, see if they draw readers in. If the comic sells, great.
“What’s next, a gay owned comics company that only hires LGBT writers/artists?” - They are called Marvel and DC.
They should. For 30 or so years there has been gay comics but they are probably way better written and they know their audience. Marvel and DC doesn't with them allowing this to continue. What DC/Marvel should have done is make subsection in their companies just for gay comics with new characters and stories. Let it stand on its own as its been in the past under much smaller companies.
All of that is already in place.
The LGBT ones are just held to perpetuate the illusion they are maginalized.
It's always been about Power ownership and they always want to know who is not an ally so they get get them unpersoned
These activists know perfectly well that creating their own characters will fail, that they simply do not appeal to 97% of humanity. Thus, they hijack and ruin other more popular characters in hopes that the popularity will rub off on their alphabet crew. This always fails spectacularly, and the industry is dying.
Mainstream goes queer and very few people buy it
That says it all
This has to change Wes
I'm convinced that Marvel and DC only continue to exist because Disney and WB have lost SO MUCH MONEY in other places that the comics divisions just sort of go unnoticed.
Yeah, pretty much.
They will eventually be shutdown when these two corporations start running into money problems.
And they say that there's no agenda at all...
Lmfao exactly
Doing this in comic books makes it seem like they are targeting children.
They are.
They are.
You think kids are the target for 99% of mainstream Marvel/ DC comics?
@@matthewlloyd5130 That ship sailed a LONG time ago....
No way. Most kids don't read comics. That stopped years ago@@MrGunBunny13
As a bisexual person I feel offended for what these comics writers are doing.
If you really want to make a good queer character you shouldn’t make being queer the entire character personality.
Plus, don’t change established character’s sexuality out of nowhere (especially without a good story behind this sudden change).
If a character has been straight since it was created, why change it all of a sudden?
My favourite superhero is Batman but you won’t make me happy making him bisexual like me.
If he has always been straight let him be.
I don’t know what other queer people think but I assure you making a character gay or bisexual seems just a lazy pandering.
Sorry for the rant but I really despise these “writers-activists”.
Same here, also bisexual, but it did bother me what they did to Tim Drake, Jon Kent and Bobby Drake, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, Catwoman, and a large etc., They think we're all as empty and devoid of a personality like them that we all identify only through our sexualities
@@Danahell well, I hated what they did to Tim Drake too. They not only hurt him and his fans but also Stephanie Brown (which now seems to “ship” Tim and Bernard).
Anyway, you are right.
100% I'm also bi and this stuff has no place in mainstream. Make their own yaoi/yuri. Know the audience.
Exactly!!! Write a great superhero story. Plain and simple.
@Valeriavitale I must say, you make a well thought out, reasonable statement about many of the creators working in mainstream comics today--especially at the big two. I would also find it fascinating if you ever had a discussion with @handsuporillshoot3818, who appears to hold the exact opposite viewpoint of yourself--and Wes (and basically everyone else in the comments section).
They have to insert their agenda into existing property because it has no viable market as it’s own thing. They can point to book sales that are skewed by fans buying out of habit, but of course those consistently decline as people realise what’s in the books. Manga is a genre exploding with new titles and ideas every month, so it’s not readers being resistant to new ideas, only bad ones. DC and Marvel have no talent in management or creatives, so they’ll die off and the IP will be restricted to film and television. And once their empire crumbles, they won’t look to themselves for blame, only the phobias they rely on to feed their narcissist worldview.
Additive, Flat, Reductive. What does this Math all have in common it don't FLOAT to the measure of a man unknown to Scale. Enigmas always imposter the newbies, disgusting Smurfs. Blessed they are to get what is deserved.
In manga, most of the time, the IP belong to author or groups of authors (like CLAMP). Not so in marvel n dc.
@@eleethtahgra7182 The tax code changes in Japan are set out to destroy that authenticity. Perhaps western animation was destroyed years ago in a similar manner.
Weird, it's almost like most people that read comics aren't sex-obsessed weirdos.
I remember when first appearances would be built up in a cameo from a random annual or something, then a full appearance in whatever the next issue was after an annual like Rogue and then slowly building up their rapport with the team/antagonizing the team while slowly winning over customers. Man Mystique didn’t even get a real cover appearance until like 30 years after she showed up on that ugly Avengers Annual 10 cover.
Now everyone starts out with a solo title or number one issue where they don’t have any story built up for the actual main heroes in the title yet they are trying to introduce new characters, with a fully explained backstory in a first appearance. They used to take years before giving origin stories but now they think it all needs to be accomplished in one issue so of course they are going to fail.
you know i never knew Tom King was in the C.I.A. but that makes me think maybe im not a crazy conspiracy theorist that thinks they are doing this on purpose as psychological warfare
I honestly believe Tom King himself is too psychologically damaged to be part of a psyop now. He's just flailing in his own psychosis apart from the other ongoing gayops.
You really didn’t know? He likes to remind everyone in every interview he does.
King make shitty comics like a therapy for himself in your years in CIA.This dude is a very depressive and disturbing person.
Claremont once said that he never wrote X-men for a particular demographic- as that would be exclusive rather than inclusive. He also explained that the injustices the X-men face are supposed to be identifiable to everyone as struggles they've faced too.
Heavily influenced by the civil rights movement etc
I've never understood why this whole movement to make everything in comics gay was necessary in the first place. I'm a heterosexual male. One of my favorite comic book couples was Apollo and Midnighter
It used to be for me too. Not so much now as they are nothing more than tokens.
This heterosexual also loved Apollo and Midnighter...at least their original Ellis andcHitch version. Didn5 care that they were gay because it wasn't their whole identity.
@@AntiLifeEquation1 right. They were a couple but they had a shared interest in ass kicking.
Yup. 😂 When I think they can't get even stupider, they find A way. 😂
If you ever feel hesistant of your art or writing ability, remember DC commissioned Gotham High and I am not Starfire. 😩
Once again you managed to fully capture my feelings regarding the LGBT in entertainment.
Frankly by allow these lgbt writers and creators take the reins has only made me associate awful product with them. If it sucks I automatically expect it to have been written by a lgbt representative who cares less about the character or quality. Only personal agendas
Whenever you see or read an interview with these modern writers there is never a mention of what their favorite runs on comics were, no favorite storylines, no writers/artists that inspired them. And they lack even the lowest base knowledge of the characters. It's just "gay". "Gay" is the only thing they're a fan of.
When we said they were doing this they denied it.
Do they actually sell enough to keep this stuff going? Outside of reviewers I don't know anyone who pays for this kind of stuff.
Anime and manga have tons of gay characters for decades, at least since the 70's. They have entire series dedicated to gay characters and have built up a huge fan base (mostly women). The biggest difference is they actually sell books. They also know their audience and don't try to shoehorn characters into other demographics if they don't fit.
I don’t read manga, but it seems like the manga companies understand what works and what doesn’t unlike western comics publishers.
@@ajclements4627Which is weird if you think about it. DC and Marvel have been publishing superhero comics for decades. Entertainment properties don't last for decades if they don't work for audiences. Despite that DC and Marvel decided their superhero comics needed to be LGBTQ+ slice of life stories. It's like they _want_ to alienate customers and potential customers.
@@ajclements4627 They run weekly polls to their customers so they see almost immediately what works and what doesn't work. They then give what doesn't work about a month to either fix what doesn't work or wrap their shit up and they get replaced with a new title.
100% on all points! I've read yaoi and all. I don't like what Marvel and DC are doing.
Most Asian cultures have been dealing with "lgbtq" for a long time. Theyve just never made it into a big issue like they do in the west. They just exist like normal people and dont expect everyone to bow down to them or get triggered by everything.
The main problem with these "infiltrators" is that they keep forgetting that being gay is not a personality.
By blasting you with queer stereotypes is hard to not believe their not homophobic the way they portray the characters.
As a x-men fan this push has devastated that title.
100%. They’ve ruined the X-men with this crap.
since the day they Disney Princessed off Northstar just 4 wedding cover on it's been down hill
What DC/Marvel should have done is make subsection in their company and make their gay/lesbian with all new characters and stories instead of ruining mainstream comics. Its been here in America for long time that small companies have released yaoi/yuri comics towards very precise (mostly female) audience. Know your audience and make good/great stories and art.
Queering must be synonymous with being irrelevant to an established audience.
While I'm hesitant to call a demographic identity an 'interest', for the purposes of making fiction it kind of is. If the main selling point of a comic (or movie, or book, or show, or game) is 'Now with 300% more Gay!', the only people who will find that more appealing are themselves gay.
It's like if you took a property and made it heavily about drag racing. You're only going to increase the appeal among drag racing fans, people that came to that property for what it was about before are going to be turned off.
Lgbtq writers should just work at DC. That's the gayest group of superheroes the world has ever seen.
It's a lack of total editorial control! If someone wants to tell message, the writers either say "ok" so they can feed it to media outlets and get twitter hi-fives or they have no idea what's going or the changes they're making.
As a teen, I worked in a nice, candlelight restaurant. The kitchen manager was a flaming gay but he maintained his top priority of being a darn good chef. He treated me better anyone else I ever worked for. He knew I was a Christian but we got along fine because he didn't make his job about him being gay, even though he would come in, on his days off, wearing drag. Also, you can think of gay characters in film that worked because the story was good like Willem Defoe's character in Boondock Saints. His gayness served the story and not vice versa.
There's a reason why Midnighter is still a great character who's lasted, and Escapade will be forgotten. Warren Ellis is an actual writer, while I'm not quite sure what Charlie Jane Anders does for a living. She damn sure isn't a writer, not from what I've seen. Can I say she? I'm not sure at this point.
I'm flabbergasted that they need their own comic-con, since they took over the entire industry. Like dogs, they marked their territory by pissing on everything we love.
I can't wait for every industry that is attempting to "gay up" their audiences goes defunct. I am down for even DC and Marvel to shutter so bad and so far down that they will have no choice but to course correct and get back to the basics with real fans for real fans. I have ZERO interest in reading queer stories or queer'ed up classics
It seems the larger part of the problem is that while there are groups that call for representation in comics, few to none of the people in those groups buy the comics they've demanded represent them.
I don't pay for gay
Years ago when old-school fans pointed out an agenda to push the LGBT+ bastardization of established characters and the themes around them we were called crazy bigots. Well, looks like, to nobody's surprise, we were right. And, no surprise at all gays and women in general can't give an F about action stories, or even dumb "slice of life" crapola written by these hacks into our, now dead, hobby. F all these companies. Good riddance to them all, when the lights go out.
Hell No!
This is why mainstream comics is dying because of this 💩!
Don't get me wrong batwoman is great, but have orginal gay super heroes, not change a superhero that has be straight for decades, and not make the heros gayness it's main focus. Let he or she have character and stand for something!😔✊️
I am really surprised we don’t get industry leaks regarding sales of these books. Surprised there isn’t someone at Marvel, for instance, who has knowledge of how bad the gay iceman sales are (assuming they are bad!) hasn’t leaked some spreadsheets.
I hate how they come into an existing I.P like locust, destroy it and move on to the next. Leaving behind ruined characters,destroy decades of lore and push out the original fans. Then smugly look to the next beloved character or I.P. It has to stop.
Back in the day even Chuck Austen wrote better gay characters than the writers today. He wrote a great Northstar focused done-in-one issue on Uncanny X-Men with Sean Phillips on art.
Az was right when he called these people "boring." The only thing they care about is their sexuality/gender identity and turning that into a character.
When Writers are "Cast " instead of hired on merit , it's no surprise most end up using Self Inserts .
I used to have a problem. I bought way to many comic books, way to many. Then one day I started to notice that the characters I had supported for 35+ years were gone only to be replaced by someone of a different gender, color or sexual preference. People need to see themselves in their heroes I was told... OK, taking their advice I looked, and saw that the heroes I supported no longer were like me, so I left. Sure, I had the occasional debate as I head out the door, "you're to old, comics aren't for you anymore", "they don't need your support", "see ya, well be just fine without you". We'll see I said... well here we are 5+ years later and we've certainly seen. The new stewards of what was once great turned out to suck ass after all... huh, who'd have thought??? :)
In the late 1960's to late 80's I was a massive comic geek and bought 30/40 plus each month as well as ALL the Marvel UK editions. Then life intervened and after being made redundant in 2009 I got the bug back and have bought thousands of collected editions, many are the stories I used to have but most of the others are characters I like including lesser known titles like T.H.U.N.D.E.R agents and the Mighty Crusaders. This narrow focused modern rubbish can sit on the shelf and rot. Story & character building come first, how long did the Silver Surfer, Deadpool, Wolverine and many others hover around before taking off? Even the X-Men needed a massive reboot, too many of these modern hacks want instant fame and it just comes across as pitiful.
Customers at my shop doesn't reserve it. It really doesn't sale. Any at ALL.
They really wanted to push LGBT Mystique and Destiny would be a main X-Men title.
The question is, what does being GAY have to do with being a superhero?
Create a separate imprint, like they used to, and put that crap there.
Exactly, keep it out of our stuff
As a gay/queer person myself, I don't have an issue with gay/queer content, I am put-off by how they are being pushed and portrayed. I hate when they 'shoehorn' it.
When I think about Deadpool, I don't think about his sexuality. I think about his off the wall personality and unpredictability. I don't care about who a character's sleeping with as long as the character is enjoyable and not boring or irritating
He is such a great character I forget he may even care about sex at all
John Byrne created Northstar to be a gay character and you knew he was, if you read between the lines. It was subtle, and it wasn’t what he was all about. That’s how you do it.
I am a 40 year Gay man and a lifelong comic book fan, all of these queer writers make me SICK! They cant write anything entertaining if their life depended on it.
I still maintain that sometime around 2010 Marvel took stock. They looked at their numbers and said, "Comic sales are steadily decreasing. Our primary audience is 50-year-old men who've been collecting comics since 1980 and they're starting to die off. Where is the younger audience? What comics are they reading?"
They looked around and discovered that the "younger audience" were reading webcomics. And webcomics were FULL of stories about LGBT sexuality and relationship drama. They primarily featured female characters.
The "modern audience" they started crafting their stories for DOES, IN FACT, EXIST. It's not very large, in absolute terms. They're reading How To Be A Werewolf or Wapsi Square or Grrrl Power or Misfiled. So why isn't the audience for FREE webcomics flocking to comic shops to buy 20-page comics for $5 a pop now that Marvel and DC have tried to transform primarily-for-the-male-audience comics into comics for queer millennials? That's a complete mystery . . .
And DC and Marvel are wondering why people are no longer buying their comics.
Imagine a comic with a gay character. The guy (or gal) has powers, fights the villains, and so on. Nothing in the comic says anything about the character being gay until they're back at base and they call home to speak to their spouse. 'We need milk? Okay...anything else?' Someone asks who they were speaking to and they say 'My [same-sex spouse].' End of story. You've established that the character is gay without making it the whole story. An issue or two later, you have a Clark and Lois moment where they two are doing domestic or even romantic stuff, but it's NOT the whole story. The scenes where Omniman had to keep leaving his wife in the middle of a romantic moment (and she swore at the phone for interrupting) were great. Why not have that in same-sex couples instead of rubbing everyone's faces in their gayness?
You keep on saying what we all are thinking!
They refused to take risks on totally new IP.
Great video highlighting a big problem with DC and Marvel at the moment. You'd be interested to know that Alyssa Wongs Deadpool went downhill pretty quickly after #1 and is now cancelled.
Jon Kent was conflict resistant. Gohan was too. Guess who did it better.
What's the point of a q comic con if the regular comic con allows all types of people?
I don't understand why barely being able to make a profit by telling bad stories about stereotypical characters who are narcissistic is a good thing.
There are no editors with the nerve to say something is crap.
Are you familiar with the "Dark Tetrad" traits - sadism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and narcissism - of internet trolls? That's what were looking at here - a group of people who get off on abusing their audience, don't care what damage they do, enjoy manipulating others, and make it all about themselves. Sadly, there's no 'fix' for those traits; you just have to completely ignore them or fire them, and neither DC nor Marvel have the leadership to do what needs to be done.
I despise the woke Lgbtqia ideology. I spent a good portion of my 20's - 30's bar hopping in gay clubs escorting my lesbian and bisexual friends around the city so they wouldn't be a group of lone girls in some bad parts of town. I'm straight and I had a great time. Never felt unwelcome, never got hated on for being straight in a gay club, never dealt with a bunch of bitter cunts claiming victimhood and some type of ism or phobia just because someone disagreed with them.
I hate these piss poor examples of the Queer community are held out as representative of what it means to be Queer in 2023. These idealogue assholes don't represent anyone but themselves and it's a disservice to the community as a whole.
I bet 50 bucks Chuck Dixon could make the entire Alpha Corps some form of Queer and outside of a few true bigots it would sell like hot cakes because Chuck can actually write a Super hero story with characters that happen to be queer. And ppl would be willing to give Rippaverse and Dixon the benefit of the doubt where as Marvel and DC have already burned that bridge with so many terrible characters and blatant hatred for their audience.
DC and Marvel Comics hate me. I hate them. I don't acknowledge any of the material they published since 2005. They don't acknowledge my purchasing power. It's a win-win situation for all involved.
Wokies still didn't get that if all SEVEN members of team are gays it's has no impact of "uniqueness" they all feel the same, like if everyone in world is super then it downgrades concept, and with crazy dip into multiverse 9000 versions of each and there already base versions of LGBT+ characters so you have character that was gay from the start meeting gay character that was sexuality swapped to be gay and they meeting other gay new character, and at this point it's just gay-club story without any heroics to talk they just doing gay stuff with gay-reference and gags.
And suddenly Gods, Aliens, Robots, Ghosts and Monsters becoming gay and LGBT+ activist that all talk in same way, feels forced and boring, nothing novelty anymore all characters THE F SAME like clones with different costumes.
"some of the top names in comics"
Hahahahahaha!
Oh, you were serious? Let me laugh even harder.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I wonder what will happen to "mainstream" comics if they change it to appeal to a small percentage of the world, that doesn't spend money on it?
Gosh, wouldn't it be funny if people stopped buying comic books and all these "writers" never worked again? The raging shame of people who found other things to entertain themselves with would keep the unemployed hacks warm in the winter.
None of these LGTB comics sell... they just collect on shelves and its wasting shelves space. Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Poision Ivy & Harley Quinn comics have drop since the switch... I even seen customers literally rip out pages out of their comics they just bought. The pages they ripped out where kissing scenes with the comic characters.
What's interesting is if you had these mediocre writers trying to make a company that sells the same thing they're pushing in the big two, it would probably flop. Fall flat on its face because they wouldn't have the candy coating that is the much loved characters for decades.
Edit: for clarification why I say this is because at the start, people were willing to give them a chance, but when everything got worse and now nothing seems to get better, it's like why bother?
That's what these people wanted. They wanted to turn something that everyone and anyone could enjoy into something that no one would bother with. They resent true greatness and managed to tear down something that told them they weren't good enough rather than become good enough.
Just a desperation tactic. Comic books have had queer characters for a very, very long time. If you have to double down to sell a book then it’s not reaching its intended audience.
These people feel like your sister who breaks into your action figure collection not to play with them but just to break them out of spite. like great congratulations ya broke all my favorite toys, i was mad at first but not anymore, guess ill go outside or something. Enjoy playing with all my broken stuff, it just garbage to me at this point not really angry anymore.
Was just watching a video on why Ren & Stimpy crapped out and it was, similarly, because there were no boundaries during the Spike run, so the writers could do anything, and viewers quickly tired of it.
Why write for one percent of the population and ignore the other 99 percent!!!!😢
That simple to me : if i see Propaganda, i quit.
I might sound wrong, but most straight people don't want to read about gay characters in their mainstream comic books.
For me when it comes to comics, it is 150% about the story you are telling. If creators focus on the story, that it flows well, makes sense for the characters, and creates an environment that I care about what is happening, then you have me. The problem is exactly what you said, which is too many creators are focused on the what when it comes to characters and not who they are as people, how they interact with others in this world, and why they are doing what they are doing. Get past just what they are and tell all of us a story. And yes, for superheroes, we want action. I also get tired how every time a LGBTQ character is in a story and is attracted to someone of the same sexual orientation, that character is automatically attracted to them back and has that same orientation. That's now how it happens in the real world whether you are straight, bi, gay, etc. If I like a girl, she may not be attracted to me at all. If I have a guy hit on me, that doesn't mean I became gay and am attracted to them. And even if I was gay, just because that guy is attracted to me doesn't mean I'm attracted to them. That is how life works and it should be reflected in these stories. It actually could make the stories more interesting. Let's just tell good stories with characters of all types, but focus on telling good stories, not just showing diversity of characters.
I think we’ve all been seeing this.
Now I’m going to be weary of people who offer me plates of spaghetti. Thanks Wes.
A comic con for the LGBT community?
Every one I've been to in recent years seems to cater primarily to this audience.
Yep. Went to GalaxyCon in Raleigh again this year. It will be the last one. Everything just seemed to revolve around gay or anime.
@@Superhead_collectables the small press sections of many cons nowadays are filled with poorly written, LGBT 'slice of life' comics.
Why do the have to “Destroy” everything they touch?? Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, Willow, All Comic Books. Why??
It's crap. The only reason dc can do this is because Warner Brothers doesn't care if the comics make a profit. I've hated dc since they queen washed alan scott.
this is so weird transformation because:
-alan mentioned many times that he loves his wives,
- it mentioned many times that he is happy with his wife mully
-he have already gay son weird that dc didn't use him. there are a lot of ideas to use him like make him black lantern or red lantern because if his dark powers
That’s hilarious as sales have died. It seems like every week a pro is announcing their creator owned book. How many American pro artists are actually working on big two interiors in 2023?
40 years counting Northstar. Who they don't promote at all.
DC, Marvel, you don't need to push homsexuality crap in your comics. You were cool without all this junk.
I’m so tired of all of this, especially when I make a comment about how I don’t like all of this especially when they change legacy characters to reflect modern times. The argument is always the same, you get called a bigot or a racist and then ultimately they will say, “why do you even care, their sexuality doesn’t mean anything it’s their character that’s important “ and I always respond if it didn’t matter then why are you all so obsessed with changing these characters fundamentally.
It's also disturbing that rather than creating their own stories and characters, they have to change mainstream comic characters to their lifestyles. Catering to a niche is okay but turning historically mainstream characters is not. Netflix did an animated queer superhero group show. It tanked.
Is it really so surprising these writers are allowed to run amok? The comics hasn't had any rails for well over a decade now. From OMD to Captain Hydra to Bendised and Taylored Jon Kent, no character new or old is immune to being derailed. The only difference is that the current ones are shielding themselves with LGBTQ+ whatever flags.
I don’t care anymore. There’s so many good comics out there before LGBTQ took over It doesn’t matter if DC and marvel keep losing money. A large enough back catalogue to last you for years! Let them crash and burn.
Nothing against gay people but will they make Batman and Superman a couple next?. My issue is turning previously straight characters gay out of the blue. Like Iceman for example. I'm black but I just want great characters regardless of race or gender or sexual orientation.
They did that years ago with Apollo and the Midnighter. And, being written well, it worked.
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and ghostmaker have a romance with catman in the new dc pride
@@jackhowe6 Apollo and Midnighter were gay from the beginning and they are great characters who just happened to be gay from the start. And I have no problem with them. But if they were to suddenly become straight that would make no sense. Same with turning previously straight characters gay when there was no hint of that before.
They're essentially the spoil brat that no one liked in school that others were forced to invite to parties that they made it all about them.
To everyone tuning in please listen to what he is saying cuz he is absolutely correct. It's no success in this. I know shop owners who were pissed who overstocked PRIDE comics thinking they will sell out and they didn't.