Marvel Needs Dan Slott To SHUT UP!
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2023
- Marvel Comics Spider-Man writer Dan Slott is once again chiding their customers on social media. Marvel Comics needs writers like Dan Slott to shut up and write good stories. You won't believe what Dan Slott is telling Marvel Comics fans to do if they don't like their current books. Or some of the other idiotic statements he's making. Wes breaks down Dan Slott's latest social media meltdown. Marvel Comics needs Spider-Man writer Dan Slott to shut up.
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Marvel flat out admitted they hate Dan Slott but yet they still keep him around.
He's like their red-headed stepchild 😂
XD The step-child they'll ultimately regret adopted.
He must be super cheap.
Have you looked at who else they have there? It’s not really like Dan Slott is specifically worse than the current Marvel average. He isn’t even the worst on Spider-Man lately, given Zeb Wells Spider-Man run (and isn’t the „new“ MJ arc a stolen Dan Slott concept?).
Let’s be honest, Dan Slott is just more hated, because he at least got to keep some readers on those titles. The others are just forgotten as nobody reads their stuff.
And no, this is mot supposed to be a defense of Dan Slott. Everybody is imo free to hate the guy, he didn’t really earn anything else. It’s just to show why Dan Slott will stay at Marvel for as long as Marvel has some money left.
Why would Marvel hate him? He's one of their most loyal to their new direction in this last decade.
Dan Slott was a writer I used to respect but when he ruined Spider-Man and how he treats people, I lost respect for him and even for Gerry Conway.
It’s sad that Gerry Conway has to be such an idiot on social media. It doesn’t taint the old stories, but it comes close.
Conway has always been a nutbag
I was never a fan of his writing, but such things are subjective. His treatment of customers (aka fans of comics in general and Spider-Man in particular) is objectively wrong and inexcusable. If he cannot handle criticism, he is either in the wrong business or needs to stay off of social media.
@@mikelmcknight72 Indeed brother. His stories do suck.
@@mikelmcknight72 To his credit, early Slott had some skills. He was one of the few writers that could write humor. Which is hard. His Great Lakes Avengers series was great. His She-Hulk run was entertaining. But that was young hopeful youthful Slott. Not the foul festering humorless cave troll we now know him as. All he is now is sad… and really really creepy. I made the mistake of reading his FF#1 awhile back and needed a shower afterwards.
" you could put Tee Franklin on Spiderman and it would sell" hey, let's not get crazy lol
😂😂😂😂😂
He'll never stop at this point.
I actually agree with Dan Slott about buying stuff from the past instead of new comics. The Marvel Epic collection books are a lot better than most anything in new comics, and the Marvel Epic collections should be available at all the LCS and retail locations. There is more than enough classic Marvel stories to last anyone's lifetime.
Why are they doing Spider Boy? Hasn't Marvel learned from Alpha?
According to slotts twitter it isnt the same thing 😅
Comic book speculator sales only
Marvel doesn’t need dan slott dan slott needs marvel
Dan Slott needs Marvel the way a child molester "needs" a child prostitute. Best keep them FAR, FAR AWAY from each other.
I swear to god he looks like the real life version of South Park's parody of Rob Reiner, makes me wonder if Slott would deflate crying "mah goo, mah goooooo!" if Cartman pokes him with a fork as well LOL!
Ironic, in his twitter rant defending his atrocious writing, he failed to turn in his scripts for the artists to earn their pay.
Good thing he was going to leave Twitter for the millionth time after Elon Musk bought the platform.
Last good Carol Danvers comics would be Brian Reed's 50 issue run 2006 - 2010. Pure genius.
It doesn't really matter anymore. The reason why Marvel and DC hire the people they hire now is because the business itself is running on fumes. It would be a waste of money to hire actual talent. Plus, the actual talent is growing an increasing amount of self-respect and basic business sense and realizing that it isn't worth working for mainstream corpo publishers. There's more money in the independent crowdfunding market.
For the most part, DC's and Marvel's characters have been irrevocably ruined.
Yeah given at this point. Comics is very well known for death not mattering. Which is a huge turn off. Along side all the other issues of letting people do whatever they want with these characters. Burn it all down and start new would be easier, then repairing all the damage done.
Amen.
Pretty much. Honestly legacy characters garnering attention has kind worn off... especially when at this point many of them are said legacy character in name only.
The future comics talent is currently either looking for a Hollywood or Gaming gig, or plain simply doing writing only as a hobby. Anybody that wants to pay their bills and have some money on the side, simply doesn’t pursue a career in comics.
Ultimately the market will be outsourced to Japan for the general audience, and the people bad at math will keep the indies and crowdfundings alive.
PS: Imo comics only have a chance of being good on the money, if the creator keeps owning the rights and gets any royalties. Good books can be sold not only in America and they can be sold for decades. That’s where it actually gets interesting, even if nobody makes a movie, series, cartoon or game out of it.
They've destroyed... I mean "deconstructed" these characters so much and so many times that in current year, the real "deviation", the real "risk" is to return them to what they once were.
Wait Dan Slott is still around? Had forgotten he was still around until this business pop up.
the best writing Dan Slott does is his tweets.
They're so funny to point and laugh at, the perfect picture of a basement dwelling neckbeard.
Dan Slott should try acting next, he'd be a big hit as acting as a big time comic book creator on the likes of Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.
The Slob is Marvel's own Mojo.
Being owned by Disney is not the safety net it used to be.
The Disney name is the kiss of death to any brand and IP they own.
@@zenvariety9383Was that a pun or a spelling error? Either way, you're sadly right.
@@hope-cat4894 spelling error
Iceman. Iceman was permanently changed for the worse. He went from highly relatable to completely un-relatable.
You know what was poisoning about Jackson Lansing and Collin Kelly's run on cap? It was all the retcons they made about the shield. Between retconning the creator to being a black man which now made the shield racist in origin. Cause the original creator of the shield was a metal scientist(who went on to create adamantium) named Dr McClain, and now he is the white guy that took all the credit for what a black man did.
And also stating that the shield was the symbol of an evil origination known as the Outer Circle( crappy version of Court of Owls). And they are not even an American organization. They are an organization for the whole world. So you pretty much stated that caps shield represents the world instead of america
Good god I’m so glad I didn’t read those issues.
You’ve got to be kidding me. When are they going to stop with the BS retcons?!
Thanks for confirming my decision to stay far, far away from any modern Captain America comics. Glad I resisted any urges to give any of these comics a try. I will now laugh a bit about how bad Marvel has become and then ignore this „canon“ for the rest of my live.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Id give the current Captain America book by J Michael strazinski a shot though. currently on the first issue and well, its a good start for somebody who is just getting into captain america. The writer isnt retconning anything in caps past, but rather, its filling in the blank. Specifically what steve went threw after his mother died. He, dang, was homeless and just trying to survive. Might even imply that steve had to drop out of school and that stuff which was hard to see but you know, you just want to root for him which is something was hard to do in past other cap books.
@@CryptidZeker415 It’s nice to hear that JMS is doing a good job. But I will stay away from it until I have more visibility.
I used to love Captain America and his book has been a way back into Marvel comics in the past for me. But since Hydra Cap, there has been no good news at all and I‘m genuinely afraid that reading new Captain America books will just ruin my good memories …. and in 2023 nothing is usually worth that.
I also didn’t need a homeless Steve Rogers story to root for him in the past … but maybe I‘m just to old and nowadays that is needed.
So Slott is saying it’s ok for me to write fan fiction. All right! Let’s goooo!
I chatted with Dan Slott once, around 2005, on the now sadly lost Avengers Forever forum. At that time he seemed like a pretty nice dude, and he claimed to be an admirer of Kurt Busiek, which in the Brian Michael Bendis era of the Avengers felt like a welcome change.
Nearly two decades later and the man has consistently proven himself to be a complete goon. I believe the only genre Slott is (or at least WAS) somewhat capable of writing is zany comedy. I vaguely remember enjoying a few of his Great Lakes Avengers comics. But this man should never be put in charge of one of the mainstay books of the Marvel universe.
2005 is before the great wokening and TDS events that broke these people
Hmmm … I wonder if his development since then is just him adapting to the environment he was exposed to. After all, he is paid hire, not an editor in charge. To get work, he has to play along to the tune of the piper. How would his career have gone at an earlier incarnation of Marvel, with better editors and less political divisions?
Cyclops was also character assassinated by Jason Aaron. Hasn't recovered ever since.
I'd rather Marvel publish half as many titles with quality creative teams. Bring back more of the classic Marvel creative teams. Bring back creators like Byrne, Claremont, Simonson, Starlin, Leonardi, Michelinie, Layton, Baron, Hama. Bring back Tom DeFalco as editor to manage them...
Quite a few people on your list is currently writing comics, and every single one of them is both terrible and selling pennies. Claremont especially. Fans online, and in this community especially, are always harping about Claremont coming back to "fix' X-Men, yet they're all apparently unaware thar Claremont has returned to comics and X-Men multiple times since his classic run and EVERY SNGLE TIME he's written absolute shit books, equally as bad as anything hacks like Ayala or Orlando put out
Ok. So is Dan aware of disney star wars sequels? That help to greatly damage the ip so badly. You now have toys rotting in discount stores? That the sales of the toys are going down. Iconic characters like Luke and Han are now hard to push and sell to people? Along with lots of force awakens and last jedi toys still on discount store shelves to this very day.
I would agree his run on Iron Man 2020 was so terrible. I struggled reading it.
Tbf, I think the show was meant to be tongue in cheek. But Slott did not come off looking very good.
Slott never understood what his core audience wanted. No surprise he would think these characters are indestructible. He doesn’t care about these characters.
Hawkman, Dr Mirage, Punisher, the list goes on.
This is a magnificent video! Brilliant take! Thank you! 🤠👍
Glad you enjoyed it
You could put my cat on Spider-man and it would sell. Well Andy the cat probably has a bigger creative imagination than Dan Slott. He conjures up great adventures traveling through the basement trying to battle his imaginary nemeses known as his reflection in the mirror, that buzzing fly and his older sister ready to pounce any moment from the darkness. See already better than Slott 😂
Damn, I can actually imagine this comic in my mind … looks pretty good and is a good start for a cat based story. All we need now is a vision where to go and how to escalate the story.
@@davidgantenbein9362 yeah plus he is always fighting invisible foes so adds an extra layer. Maybe he is protecting hoomans from an evil only he can see
You could definitely tell that this was the guy that ruined Ben Riley
Zeb Wells and the editor too.
@@theragoooverlord5021 Dan was the first tho
He also ruined Spider-Man as well moron did help with omd
I'm old enough to remember fandom being up in arms when Thor grew a friggin' BEARD. We actually worried about if/when a creator would ever have Thor shave and go back to his original look. THAT was our big concern. I could not have ever conceived of the day when I would have to sit and wait for a comic book company to retcon (Slott's advice) something like Wally f'n West being a murderer, or Alan Scott inexplicably being gay (still holding out hope on that one, no offense to the gays. It just makes zero sense from a character standpoint).
For Slott to endorse spending one's money on back issues instead of new stuff is just idiotic. Reading those classic stories from the 60's-90's will only serve to show fans just how far this industry has fallen.
It doesn't matter how old anything is, if you can't keep it alive then it's dead! That's why these franchise and installments get stopped because hacks like that destroy it. Then businesses who own it lie and not take accountability and blame the audience saying they're tired of it. No. Not anymore will you lie about your screwup and push it onto the customers of all things and that's why they can't stand the fans.
Dan Slott never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Iceman acts like Jack from Will & Grace now so I'll be damned that you can't permanently change a character.
You can thank Bendis' bald ass for that
When you have people who can't improve or don't feel like they have to, they'll blame all the failures on you or direct you to the successful ones.
I remember criticizing Dan Slott as a hack writer and ruining Spiderman. He blocked me for that. But that’s fine, I blocked him too. Not having to deal with him is a blessing.
anybody else remember “And if you don’t like my politics, don’t buy my book.” (Kelly Sue DeConnick) ?
Yep and we saw how that work
Wolverine is a good example too. Origin and the follow up series began a downwards spiral for Logan
So we shouldn't worry about these characters because they have been around 50+ years and are thus indestructible. However, the writers need to take risks so they don't become stale etc.. My question is why fear it being stale if the character is indestructible? Just give the people what they want and not all of whatever this BS we have been getting.
I suspect becuuse the fans rejected black Wally West, they decided to ruin the real Wally West out of pure shit-hearted spite. It's simliar to what Marvel are doing to Spider-Man right now.
Spider-Boy is a spectacularly bad idea. It’s amazingly bad. It’s adjectivelessly bad and I’d even go so far as to say it’s web of bad.
We already have Ben Reilly (not Chasm) and Miles to fill the equal hero role. There was no need for sidekicks like Spider-Boy
@@joeygamer5387Dan Slott is drooling over the speculator sales. Even going so far as showing off a CGC graded copy to shill for his CGC signing.
Aww, come on Wes. Be fair to Dan. He can't write and he can't get his work in on time. If you don't let him run his mouth, what is he going to do (other than eat)?
What are you demanding next? That the fans should consider Dan Slott‘s health and help him losing some weight by chasing him with pitchforks?
Of course Dan Slott would say shit like that. He did continue to destroy Spider-Man and his supporting cast after OMD
Rule #1 of being a comic book writer: Never take responsibility for your failures!
Look at Adam Scott, and Bobby Drake, they ruined them and they won't fix them.
Dan Slott got owned by a retailer posting on Bleeding Cool as a fan about the difference between sales from retailers vs actual sales from customers. He’s been pretty quiet since then. Marvel desperate for sales is hoping lightning strikes twice for Superior Spider-man relaunch. Why? Cause Spider-man is the only thing selling.
That thing about thousands of stories in the past is a dirty little secret a Marvel employee shouldn't be saying. You can enjoy these classic stories very cheap in second hand trades instead of wasting time and money hanging on to the hope that Marvel and DC will stop slapping you around like a punk in their bad $5-10 single issues.
Yea these companies don’t care what these writers say once they align with their beliefs. They don’t care about sales numbers, all they care about is having the IP for movies & merch.
This reminds me of that woman writer who said: if you don’t like my comics, don’t read them. And then lamented about her sales tanking. Morons. 😊
Legend has it that Slott has eaten some fans.
The song at the beginning of this video is “Hotel Atlantis” by Gert Wilden.
The short version of this song is “Crafty Party” by Gert Wilden.
I gotta push back Dan Slott's SilverSurfer is his silent masterpiece!
His She-Hulk is admittedly good.
The fact he uses the word "toys" shows his attitude. Dan Slott doesn't give a shit about Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, John Romita, Tom Defalco, Todd McFarlane, David Michelinie, Larsen, Bagley, DeMatteis and the other giants that made Spider-Man the most popular and successful superhero in all of western comics. Now that character is just a toy for Dan to play with, and fuck raising the tide of an industry that long ago stopped being robust enough to indulge these left-field subversions, of underpaid art students trying to take a shortcut on the backs of their betters.
My comic-buying these days is almost entirely confined to reprints, such as the Marvel Omnibuses and Epic Collections, Dark Horse's EC and Creepy Archives, etc.
Same here
Slott never seems to miss an opportunity to embarrass himself.
A lot of fans can write better stories that are consistent with the core values of the characters. I think Slott is going to regret making that particular suggestion.
There are people who want to learn how to make good comics, and they are learning by studying the creators who have (and still can, if they chose) done it very, very well.
Dan Slott's tweet is "We can write the worst crap! The character will survive!" No, he is horrible. Thank you Wes.
Dan Slott is one of those creators where as long as he's in the industry, the healing within Marvel will not take place. He's the creator who ruined Spider-Man and told fans that one of the essential marriages within comics eternally broken up is what we all need (Felicia Hardy has never worked longterm, ever). He's the creator that gave us "Dok Ock Spidey" as a self-insert for himself. And when people say they like Superior Spider-Man, I roll my eyes because you've got to be a complete beginner in comics to like something so bastardized or just have bad taste. And even with all that in mind, he treats people in real life worse than his self-insert counterpart. If the rest of his life is lonely and miserable, if it isn't already, all I have to say is he brought all of it on himself.
What I liked about Superior Spider-Man was that you didn’t know what was going to happen. Its unpredictability made it fun, at least for me. And we KNEW Peter would be back, of course. But I liked Superior better than Slott’s ASM run.
"imagine an evil Spider-Man"
"Like Carnage, or Mac Gargan during dark reign?"
"No no, not that evil. More like an anti hero"
"Like Venom?"
"No. Not an alien. He'd still be human like Peter.
"aren't they doing a Kaine Scarlet Spider book at almost the exact same time as this?"
"Screw you! I'm going to do a huge event with lots of Spider-Men."
"Like the clone saga?"
If they're saying they like Superior Spider-Man, they also might be referring to Gage's fix for that character instead of Slott's run.
I buy lots of kindle trades of Daredevil, FF, Avengers, etc. I feel sorry for today’s Marvel and DC fans .
The only time Dan Slott is relevant, is when people mention he has them blocked on Twitter.
Marvel doesn't need Dan Slott at all. But if Marvel actually cared about what they "need" then most of the Marvel writers would be out the door.
Marvel has no problem with insulting fans. The editorial position is "what we write is right because we write it, and if you don't like it, you're not a real fan and you're toxic." They do nothing to discourage writers from placing as many fans as possible in this toxic category. As part of this process they get to hire people who they like without regard to sales, and absolve themselves of responsibility to produce a good product.
So if Slott can't get punished for insulting fans (as long as he is on the right side of editorial politics), there's no reason for him to shut up. Especially since Marvel will pay him to phone it in.
The Punisher has been destroyed
Can we also discuss how Dan Scott and others have continued a hit job on She-Hulk.
I waited years for a new Black Panther book, but Coates Black Panther was so bad, I gave the first 8 issues away to my little free library.
This should definitely be a topic on your pod!
Aaron and I are going to discuss it on this weeks Patreon pod. Not sure if we'll talk about it on Comics Aficionados.
To be fair ..Carol Danvers had plenty of good stories in the 2000's . The Brian Reed Ms. Marvel series was very good. Now if you were to ask when we got the last good Carol Danvers Captain Marvel Story , the answer would be the same time Dan Slott turned down dessert .
Brian Reed turned Carol a sociopath bitch that she's today.I hate that run.
Yeah, I liked the Brian Reed run.
I was on a roll Breen!
The Damien Wayne "heart problem punch" started the killing of Wally's character for me........
Good grief, there is so much stupidity at work here that I just want to shove him into a locker. There is a reason why Audi, BMW & Mercedes are conservative with their design choices for the A6, 5 and E series, same applies to parfume/eau de toilette brands with their iconic fragrances, Coca Cola & Pepsi with their classic taste formulas, Haute Horlogerie with their legendary watch models etc etc. No matter what the product is, one thing every customer base hates; is companies taking big risks with an succesful decades old formula. In general Im not a fan of big corporations, but boy I wished Marvel acted like one for once.
Surprised that Alan Scott Green Lantern was not mentioned. Then again, anyone still remember Alan Scott?
We don't want to remember anymore, after what they did to him it's easier for us to leave him in oblivion.
Who? Lol I remember him but fluk them
Dan slott can kicks rocks
Awesome work mate
No, Marvel needs Dan Slott to leave.
Speaking as a former comic retailer, those old books selling don't hurt you. Those books are already bought and paid for (pardon the grammar). Buying new books to resell is a weekly cost. Yes, you rely on the people that show up every week to pick up the new stuff and offset the cost, but those back issues moving are a bonus. If subscribers are hitting your back issues, that money is 100% profit. To your point, I agree, Dan Slott sucks. I've been saying it for years.
Dan slott has no business tampering with the legacies of these great fictional universes
Dan Slott thinks of himself as a genius but in truth he a mediocre writer who just a man child online
I liked Warbird (Carol Danvers) back when she was an Avenger in the 1990s.
Me too. She was actually pretty cool then
They call him Slotto Blocktavius for a reason...
His entire thread could and should have been much shorter. "We fucked up Mary Jane. Sorry. They're going to fix it soon".
I never thought I'd say this about anyone. I wish diabetes would take Dan Slott Away. How he's still employed is beyond me. He's a Powerpuff Girl in a fat guy suit. Completely self- unaware of how much damage he's done. How many people have to be paid to clean up his messes or finish his work. If anybody mentions his name my knee-jerk reaction is to shutter. That's how his legacy will be remembered people involuntarily shuttering.
I would love a video comparing this era of Marvel and DC's A-Class with the golden age of sales just to see the difference.
I'm atill angry about Wally West's ruination at the hands of Tom King. Unforgivable.
Wess, you did an outstanding job of roasting that loser.
Thanks 👊
Dan Slobb decides to play the "if you don't like my comics don't buy it" defensive, it's a bold strategy cotton, let's see if it plays out
I've seen pictures of ASM not selling
Its ironic how theyre trying to make all the characters gay, and yet most gay people arent interested in buying this crap.
Don't tell us to do it ourselves because we will do better.
I don't buy many new comics these days, but I love Captain America, so I decided to give it a chance. I was disappointed by the last volume of Captain America by Lanzig and Kelly so I don't have high hopes. I think I stopped buying it after the 5th issue or something, and then I traded them all in for some quality back issues. The first sign of the typical BS they've been trying to push on us, I will dump this book in a heartbeat and never buy another modern book from Marvel again. And that pains me to say because I'm a big Captain America fan.
Dan Slott! 🙄
What’s the name of the documentary on Disney Plus ?
They successfully ruined John Constantine (the face of Vertigo Comics) who went from an Ongoing series to a side character in some nothing book.
Speaking of Punisher, did anybody see the new Punisher? Looks like generic action man.
Crazy that people didnt like Secret Empire' idea of Captain America being evil. One of my favorite Marvel stories ever
Comic shops should stop buying the big two books and sell manga.
This just reads as "I can write whatever lazy out of character ass-pull, random as hell, storyline that I want, because there'll be a retcon in like two years anyway so NOTHING MATTERS!!"
I liked his work on Batman Adventures (based on the classic animated series) but he had a co-writer on that series. I think he’s had some good spider-man stuff here and there but now he’s a joke.
Dan Fart a bully ??? I just laughed my head off
Deadpool: Write only about little ol' me, and my sidekick, Logan. Let us kill the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Comic store owners keep telling me that they survive purely on board game, magic cards, and comic back issues. New comics don't sell and they won't buy anything newer than the 80's unless it is something like Sonic comics.
Why can't they just stick to ruining new characters
"50+ years" said over and over to say don't criticize and offend me, go back to the better stuff. This is the mindset of all these idiots in the entertainment industry. Just cower and hide when you're not doing a good job.
I think Doctor Strange is doing pretty well. I think. Well, at least I like the story.
Great video Wes
Any attack on Danny Boy is well founded.
These incompetent people should be terminated
Btw JMS Captain America is a prime example of regurgitating.