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- The parallels between the issues of the Pharisees (the good and the bad) and the Roman Catholic leaders is shocking.
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Sadly my church is getting dangerously close to phariseeism and I am doing my best as one man that is outspoken against it. They don’t like me very much because I speak out. Prayers would be appreciated brothers and sisters in christ
You are doing good ! The only caveat I’d offer is to speak the truth in love- they will be more likely to listen to you if you speak gently. However, don’t let that dilute the boldness and seriousness of the matter. It’s a hard balance but God give you wisdom brother 🙌🙏🏻
Praying
They will persecute you for your faith, even if you are in a church that says they follow Christ. Stick with the scripture. Don't be afraid, for the Lord is with you.
@@BenMcleanhall Even if you speak as humbly as anyone can get, they might not listen and the last thing you know is you are expelled from the "church" ;unless you give up at last and become like them.
@@mehrettechane5386 Yes this is true - although humility and confidence go hand in hand. Jesus is our perfect example of this - no one was more humble than Jesus yet He clearly spoke openly and against the Pharisees.
I'd like to say one thing. I am a Catholic and yet I like to watch and listen to Mike's videos because he interprets the scriptures according to the truth and from the heart. Sometimes I disagree, but we are only human and we all make mistakes. I don't know and no one knows if Mike is right or if I am right when I disagree with something...and obviously we can't fully know. But we believe. As St. Paul wrote, we are justified by faith(not by knowlage)..if I don't know then I pray afterwards. I pray for understanding, and I pray for Mike... Our Lord said we should pray for one another. And doctors are not needed by the healthy, but by the sick. So I don't understand why I so often see in the comments a certain hostility and hatred towards other branches of Christianity... if you think of us Catholics as heretics, Pharisees, hypocrites, even pagans! Please pray for us! As many of us pray for you. Let us not seek strife but what unites us...and what can unite us more than sincere prayer to God for each other... Praise the Christ! :)
Exactly. It’s God’s church, and hopefully one day he’ll unite it. Hopefully we can all not kill each other before then 😅
I think its very imp to ask The Lord to show us Truth with the teachable attitude of no matter where that leads. When He shows me Biblical Truth- I will stand on it, change my mind, and agree with The God of The Bible.
@jerrys1 for sure :) in the end or at the start of the new begging He will unite us all 🙏 ... iam looking forward to thit "party" because we all can share together so much...and what a woderfull story can each of us can tell after that! For that, I pray, and for that, I looking forward
That's exactly the problem between us though, is we aren't united. Either we've rejected the one true church of Christ, or you guys are under the anathema that Paul announced to the Galatians. One camp is primarily filled with false teachers and false brethren, and the example set by Scripture isn't to embrace those.
As an ex Roman Catholic,praying to Mary and Saints is against the Bible,it is also in the bible Job was told to rise when he bowed to the two angels at his door,also too many idols and statues,I lived in London and saw Gargoyles on the cathedrals,how demonic is that
I’m a Protestant who is studying the Catholic church and I’ve got to say that Sola Scriptura is starting to sound unconvincing to me. It’s a self refuting statement because the Bible doesn’t teach that everything we believe must be explicitly found in scripture and early Christians didn’t believe in this either.
The Roman Church is a creature. There is no Church. The correct translation of Greek is Ecclesia or the Brethren. And that's the body of Christ. Don't fall victim to Rome. It's idolatry
It’s an ontological understanding. The scriptures are breathed out by God and as such the scriptures are from God Himself. We have nothing else that makes that claim. The pope claims infallibility but where does he get the authority to make that claim? The same can be said about the magisterium and sacred tradition. Furthermore, the scriptures are the only words that we have from Jesus and His apostles and those who were associates thereof (mark/Peter; Luke/Paul). We have no other word from Christ and His apostles that is not found in sacred scripture.
You're on the right track. Early Christians didn't have New Testament, only OT and oral teaching (Tradition) to guide them. Continue on the road.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety Sola Scriptura right or wrong has nothing to do with the argument against Rome! Rome is idolatry whether you accept Sola Scriptura or not boob!😼
Yes, but the oral traditions were the teachings of the apostles that would eventually be inscipturated into what is the New Testament. The traditions that the Roman church now speaks about have no provenance in ancient church history (I.e. the assumption of Mary, purgatory, etc) and are not apostolic teachings. Bear in mind also, that 80% of the Bible is the old testament and this was heavily used by the apostles in their teachings and writings.
No Catholic in the back of their head is thinking "you're not the Pope"
average Protestant bearing false witness moment
agree me too
Also, the pharisees spent their lives debating scripture. Jesus often pointed out how they got it wrong.
Not me.
Show me where the CCC DOESN'T say that.
Christianity isn't supposed to be a set of ideas or a moralistic philosophy. It isn't supposed to be religious things you do. It is a covenant relationship. A marriage. A personal relationship with God made possible only through Jesus.
Amen, more people need to hear this!!
It is a religion. You don't get it. Human reason interferes with the wisdom of God. Religion by definition is a covanent relationship with God (or a divine entity.) That's a contradiction by the rules of philosophy your worldview is incorrect and your faith would be meaningless by the principles in the bible.
@@theeternalslayer I will demonstrate that you are incorrect by asking you this: what religious activities under the new covenant do I need to do as a Christian, according to the canonical books of the New Testament?
@@adamdaniels1368 communion, baptism, healing, reconciliation, anointing, marriage, confirmation I don't affirm holy orders but we should still do works. I have more though 😇
We have the ecumenical Councils, the church fathers, church history, by denying these you'd be saying Christianity has been in the dark up until the reformation that's incredible asinine.
@@theeternalslayer the new testament directs us to two ordinances, believe and be baptized, and the other being communion. There are also two laws, do unto others as you want done unto yourself, and to love God the father above all. That's it. There are no church fathers. There are no councils. Of the ritual/religious activities, only two of what you said were correct. Everything else is extrabiblical.
My biggest obstacle is Catholics saying "its not the job of the lay person to study the Bible and study theology". It is absolutely the job of every Christian to know what they believe and why they believe it. Nobody can just give that to you.
Amen
1peter3:15
They are misinformed as Catholics, sadly.
Considering owning and being able to read a Bible is a modern thing a few hundreds years old, to lay the level of responsibility on every Christian in the manner that you suppose is simply preposterous. The Bible was barely accessible for lay men, let alone was it a devotional book like it is being treated as today, for the vast majority of the last 2000 years. It was read exclusively in Church by clergy and by scholars.
@landowar2162 it wasn't accessible because the Roman church (in the West) ensured it wasn't accessible. They kept it in Latin and actively persecuted attempts to translate it - that's how Tyndale was strangled to death publicly.
I pose the opposite argument - since Scripture and literacy are commonplace now, any literate believer would be neglecting the resources God has given us in our time if they did not actively study Scripture. I also think there will be a swift and obliterating, all-consuming and burning judgement for those who in the name of Christ, kept literacy and Scripture from the masses and forced them to live under false doctrines like indulgences and purgatory.
@@landowar2162 Past difficulty doesn't make it wrong. Every Christian should know what they believe in. How else can you believe it? Also, scripture wasn't read by laymen back then partly because it was gatekept (kept Latin and reading in general wasn't promoted until closer to the Reformation).
Regardless, now that many of us do have access to the Word of God, we should be ecstatic about studying it as individuals! I wouldn't call it a responsibility per se but a privilege that we can read His Word. Not 'preposterous' at all. We should want to!
Theres a lot of people becoming catholic lately, (artist, actors, comedians etc.) and you know what?, Praise The Lord! Im protestant , and I know the problems with protestantism, and the problems with catholicism. But more than that, Im happy that Christ is attracting people to Him.
This is the right attitude.
Romans 17:1
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.
That’s why it swings so much though, it’s not rooted in truth. It’s just anti culture. It won’t stick. It’s disingenuous
It's a fad, just like other fads, like Kabala or Buddhism fads.
But we are not called to become Catholic, protestant or any other denomination. We are called to become born again John 3:5-6, Acts 2:36-38 and to make disciples Matthew 28:28-20
The problem is that catholic teaching is full of all kinds of heresies that lead people away from putting their trust in Christ alone.
I would love to see Mike and Jimmy Akin have a gentle discussion on this subject
Jimmy Akin in my opinion and from what he teaches and says practices idolatry! He also dabbles in Occultic practices. 2 days ago he posted a UA-cam video on After Death Communication. In the comment section Mr. Akin told a commenter how he's taking a 8 week course on Out Of Body Experiences and Mediumship by Rhine Education Center. I know this because he gave the commenter the link and I tapped on it and opened the web page! Do not follow that man! Akin is extremely dark and under demonic oppression!
Rebuttals and Debates CONFUSE
Truth Seekers.
Irreconcilable Differences remain unchanged.
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc Catholicism is true
Catholicism is a false religion. Majority of Catholics place their trust in the denomination rather than Christ alone.
It is a works based religion. We do good works because we are saved.
I came out of Roman Catholicism, but I'm now a born again Christian. Yes you're right brother Mike about Roman Catholicism looking similar to the Pharisees.
I did the same. Unfortunately, my family is still going to mass every Sunday. But I keep praying! One more thing: I never detested a pope like I do Frsncis; however, this current one gives me False Prophet vibes.
That is not what the Pharisees did. The Pharisees were misinterpreting the old testament, for example, putting vows to the temple which cannot be broken over taking care of parents. Both are from scripture, but they interpret incorrectly. And they were also hypocrites. If you look at the teaching and practices from the early church, you will see the same things that catholics practice today. It is protestants who misinterpret because they are disconnected from history
@thebenzaga that is incorrect. Catholic doctrine has changed many times over the past 2000 years. Each cousel is proof of that. Adding and subtracting over time.
@@thebenzaga You're historically incorrect. Evangelicals don't distort anything, the Roman Catholic church has lied to you as they did to me. Your church has many errors in it that can't be found in the holy bible, but mainly rely on man (church tradition), so yes very similar to the Pharisees. My friend Rome can't save you, but only Jesus Christ can (John 3:16, Acts 4:12).
@@NorCalGospelHerald You cant say that they havent distorted anything, while they don't even agree on everything. At least one evangelical group has been distorted. You think I believe a city can save me? Like why is it the go to of protestants to strawman non-protestants. Catholics believe that Jesus alone saves. and Jesus left us one church that he prayed would be unified, and he gave peter the keys to the kingdom. and the apostles laid hands on others to ordain them as leaders and successors. It wasn't just people starting their own group based on what they thought the few scriptures they had at the time said.
Church tradition is traditions that the apostles passed down. they didn't write down everything
I survived Catholicism, and Mike, you're absolutely correct. Our focus needs to be on God, Christ and the Word, not man's opinions.
The core of Catholicism is that Jesus is still living among us and we can touch Him and receive Him as He promised in John 6 and at the Last Supper -- His Risen Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity. That is what you give up when you choose to try to worship God in a way God has not asked you to.
@@susand3668 Amen
@@susand3668sadly the Catholic Church has allowed a lot of man made errors to creep in which has obscured the simple
gospel message. I don’t think for a minute God wants us to be in a state of confusion.
@@MultiJoe84 , Don't you agree that Jesus rose from the dead? It's HIS church. When did He allow "a lot of man made errors to creep in"?
When did He abandon His Church?
And if He were to break His promise to us to guide His Church and protect her from the gates of Hell, um, then, what hope would we have? (If pigs could fly!)
@@susand3668i’ve heard your point before, but to follow the protestant position, we (typically) don’t see the Catholic organization as The Church.
So to say the “gates of hell will not prevail against it” still remains true in our eyes, because the Church is Christ’s body of believers, sealed in Him, born again, and sealed in the Spirit, NOT an organization.
His Church is His Church regardless of our human disagreements and demonizations.
Sacred Scripture wasn’t the only reason why I converted to Catholicism, but because of the Eucharistic miracles and Marian apparitions that take place. Even Tammy Peterson was healed of a rare stage four kidney cancer while praying the Rosary asking for the intercession of St. Josemaria Escriva and the Blessed Mother.
Witnessing these things and more, I have no choice but to be Catholic. It is either the truth or demonic. And that doesn’t take the lives of the saints into account too. One thing I’ve never seen Mike or James White or Gavin Ortlund do is wrestle with the miraculous claims (that have studies behind them) and the proof of life change in the lives of many saints.
The story of St. Maria Goretti, St. Charbel, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John Bosco, Blessed Carlo Acutis, and so many others have the mark of God’s grace in ways that need to be recognized.
Either we Catholics worship a wafer, or we are right to adore Jesus Christ substantially present in the Eucharist. Either the children of Fatima were talking to a demon, or they were talking to the Mother of God.
500 were witnesses to Jesus resurrected. But 70,000 were present at Mary’s apparition and many witnessed the dancing sun at Fatima. These historical events must be taken into consideration!
Compare your beliefs and practices with scripture and you’ll know where you are. Also ask the HolySpirit Spirit to open your eyes to the Truth when doing this and DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEART
Amazing that Catholics were here before anyone else and now the prods are going to tell us about our faith that's rich
@@chuckyoneill9029Martin Luther was a Catholic. After the reformation the Catholic Church also reformed itself. I know too many Catholics that have left the church because they could not reform it from within.
At the Lutheran church I attend we still recite the Apostle's Creed. My wife saw the words Catholic Church and she was confused. I told her the actual meaning is the Universal Church. That's the Catholic Church I believe in. Some Baptists, some Roman Catholics, some Presbyterians, etc. It's Christ's Church. The Rock of the church is Peter's confession, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God ".
I have read the Bible through several times. I didn't really thoroughly know the faith until I had done that. Every Christian should study the Bible so that we can discern when our leaders go astray. Churches are ordaining practicing homosexuals, women and transgender and this goes against Scripture.
We are in the last days. The war against the Church is raging. We need to unite but respect our differences. You are my brother and the day is coming when we will need each other. God Bless.
If someone was healed after praying to a big jar of crunchy peanut butter would you canonize the great peanut?
@@Pablo-gl9dj not without the jelly then they'll think about it
Ex protestant here, very much looking forward to RCIA soon and my closest friend just got me my first Rosary ✨🥹
I encourage you to rethink the Pharisees comparison and reread those passages. The Catholic faith is bringing me closer to Jesus daily. The Sacraments are gifts from God, and we aren’t asking anyone to “think for us” - instead we are grateful to have the strong foundation that Jesus wanted for the church from the beginning and there is nothing like the experience of being with Jesus during mass.
Peace be with you all 🕊️
So, you went from praying to God to praying to Mary, bowing to STATUES and eating the literal flesh of Jesus and drinking His blood?
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@@edward1412 the point of the Eucharist is to partake in the full divinity of Christ - not just chewing on him.
@@edward1412 why don't you find out what Catholics really believe?
Bless you!! Welcome home!!
Truth is, Catholics are so tired of explaining to Protestants that they are misinformed about what Catholicism is. For the millionth time, we're not praying to Mary, worshipping statues, eating a body like a cannibal. If you want to know about Catholicism, learn from a Priest, not a from a Pastor. It's horrifying how many times I have encountered a Protestant telling me what my religion is all about. Their goal is always to invalidate our beliefs and never to really understand it.
Pastor Winger I grew up broadly speaking evangelical protestant in a heavily Catholic country, Croatia. Now live in america. Was received into the Catholic Church in September of 23. I say all that so you know where im coming from when I say this. I love the Bible so much more now as a Catholic than I did as a life long evangelical. We evangelicals always talk about the context of Scripture. Well the ultimate context of Scripture is the Church that compiled it. Without the Church we wouldn't know what the Scripture is to begin with
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Idk how Catholic & Orthodox channels got up into my algorithms lately, but it seems to be summed up with "Trust me bro" explanations from "Traditions" and Papal Infallibility..
Same. It’s rather interesting
I'm an Orthodox Christian, and I trust the traditions as God given because in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 God commands us to uphold tradition. And historically, liturgical worship is how the early Christians worshipped. But the "trust me bro" argument can be applied to the Bible, we have faith it is the word of God and history backs that up. Just like how we believe the liturgical traditions from the early church are given by God. We can't prove anything, but theres enough evidence to trust it.
Trust me bro dont work for the bible especially about Jesus. There is so much evidence to back his existence and teachings outside the bible. If Jesus is true then the OT is true.
@SackOfFlour
@@SackOfFlour”History” backs up slavery but I’m glad we don’t follow that today.
The “history” Protestants follow is Jesus, Paul, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. We follow God’s Word. So you can clearly see Protestant beliefs predate Orthodox and Catholic beliefs. The worship of Mary and the creation of a Pope came long after biblical writing times.
@@russmatthews2098 Protestant beliefs didn't exist until the 1500's sola fida and sola scriptura being the biggest ones simply didn't exist until the reformation. But the slavery point is a straw man. Early Christian's practiced liturgically. Look at the early church fathers. Heck even Paul mentioned the Eucharist in his first letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 10:16-21 and 1 Cor. 11:23-34.) and like I said urged Christians to hold fast to tradition in 2 Thessalonians 2:15. So the idea that early Christians clung to the idea of sola scriptura or other Protestant beliefs is just simply wrong.
Roman Catholicism - the one true faith, God bless all 🙏😇✝️❤️
I'm a Catholic but I don't always think of the pope. That's just BS. I believe in God and no human can be above Him.
Catholics don't believe the Pope is above God lol. We believe Christ appointed Peter and his successors as head of the One Catholic Church with binding power.
@@clownman9404 never saw the pope when I was a Catholic for 28 yrs. Saw the Pope open the Bible.. scary when I think of it now… this guy is right way toooo many rules outside the word of God. Read Martin Luther’s writing .. this is exactly what he said. He wanted to bring the faith back to the word but the pope then rebelled. He forced small poor congregations contribute to paying for the Vatican because he was a gold-guiling extravagant moment to him.
@@clownman9404 you are not catholic, you need a true conversion!
I feel like when Jesus warns about people saying "Didn't we baptize and exercise demons in your name" and yet Jesus never "knowing" them and even casting them away is scarily close to the activities of the Catholic church.
Read my mind
Take the rafter out of your own eye first dude. Take a look at Protestantism. It's not exactly pretty.
Something I've been thinking a lot about since my conversion. Track this for a moment. What if it's not just that Roman Catholicism looks a lot like the Pharisees? What if that's the whole point? This is hard to wrap your head around completely, and I may be wrong in my understanding, but the more I take in scripture, specifically Jesus' words to the Pharisees and to the church, church history, and the observable reality of these traditions today. The more I see what appears to be a massive lesson that reflects really the whole teaching of scripture, being written right into our own history. I can't help but see it, and I genuinely don't know if this is something that God has revealed to me, or if I'm reading some of my own presuppositions onto the text. I struggle with that. When I read what Jesus said to and about the Pharisees, and to and about the church. He seems to be speaking with a foreknowledge of everything we (the whole church) would end up doing in His name, the good, the bad, and the ugly. It seems like the revelation of this lesson is left somewhat unspoken in scripture, so that it can be revealed in the unfolding of our own history. The division of the Body of Christ by our traditions is something that weighed heavily on me as a new believer, but I think that it was both necessary and inevitable, for the fullness of this lesson to be revealed. That's not to say that it's a good thing, but rather that we were always going to do it, and Jesus knew that. This is all dealing with pride, and it cuts to the heart of the most important lesson in scripture, and the most important lesson in the history of the relationship between God and man.
That's as best as I can articulate these thoughts at the moment. Hopefully that makes sense to people, and I'm not just off in the deep end by myself on this.
This makes a lot of sense. I think you are right, since the Bible is relevant in every time period.
Paul tells us that there MUST be divisions in the church, and why.
1 Corinthians 11:19
for there must be factions among you - in order that -those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
It is well known that history repeats itself. Why do we find something that rhymes to be so satisfying? Because that is just the way the world operates. Things rhyme.
And in that way God always
@@serifen888 While we have factions we must also remember to not quarrel, 2 Timothy 2:23-25
@@Yipper64 Yeah, it's like God said, "here I'm laying out what's wrong with you, and why even your efforts to be godly are in vain, in this example of the Pharisees, and you're still going to do it again"...and then we did it again.
I was born and raised into the Catholic ways. As an adult, I turned away from it because I found too many contradictions in it from what the bible actually teaches.
Been going through the Gospels with my church and this truth has been coming up. Pharisaism is so much like today’s Catholicism. Thank you
All denominations are full of this but that church brought all the paganism into Christianity. They killed so many millions and the jesuits are in control... they have infiltrated all religions to bring about the one world religion with the pope at the top.
I love your content and listen to you often and I'm a traditional Roman Catholic. Not only that, I'm a convert - having been raised Methodist - so I'm very familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of both Protestantism and Catholicism. Your criticism of Catholicism is fair and I am also concerned that the Roman curia and hierarchy resemble the Pharisees. In any event, I see many similarities between devout Catholics and sincere bible believing Protestants. I think it is a scandal that the Body of Christ is not united and I pray for genuine reunion daily. I think some Protestants deeply misunderstand Catholicism and in that misunderstanding, they get some things wrong about what Catholics actually believe. We're not that far apart. I love my Evangelical and Pentecostal brothers and sisters in Christ and will gladly fellowship with anyone who is a genuine follower of Christ! Viva Cristo Rey!
My opinion that no one asked for, I think we’re tribalistic in nature and God knows that. If we were all the same denomination, we’d still find ways to dissect the Bible and divide ourselves. This is natural and since we’re made in the image of God: good.
My mom had a schoolteacher who would pray for the Catholics to “find Jesus” and after attending a few Masses w/ my good friend (I, myself, am southern Baptist) I think we’re the ones who need to find more reverence for Him. The Catholics have it already 💞
There are important doctrines including transubstantiation, praying to saints and Mary when the Bible says that Jesus is the one mediator (1Tim 2:5), icon and idol/graven image worship, repetitious prayers using a rosary, required celibacy (the atrocities that that has caused), teaching that there is an inerrant man who stands in the place of Jesus on earth and needing sacraments to be saved, negate any belief that Roman Catholicism is Biblical or legitimate. I don't think that Protestants who actually do any study misunderstand Catholicism. I have relatives who are Roman Catholic, they are wonderful people and I love them, but they are following errant teachings, sadly. You can say that Catholics don't actually believe these things or do these things, but I see it all the time, including things that they share from their churches/priests. Grace and peace...and don't stop seeking truth in His Word, KJV/Textus Receptus.🙏
@@SoniaSL-RD19 I think you misunderstand Catholicism greatly lol
Yeah protestants really misunderstood the RCC when they were burning protestant "heretics" alive. Yeah I bet people really misunderstood the church when it participated in the Spanish Inquisition. Now protestants really misunderstand the RCC when they see the Vatican covering up for the pedo priest. Yeah it's just a misunderstanding. 🙄
Yeah protestants really misunderstood the RCC when they were burning protestant "heretics" alive. Yeah I bet people really misunderstood the church when it participated in the Spanish Inquisition. Now protestants really misunderstand the RCC when they see the Vatican covering up for the pedo priest. Yeah it's just a misunderstanding. 🙄
I’m not a RC but an EO Jesus gave his church authority on earth. Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven. Jesus main issues with the Pharisee were their hypocrisy not tradition passed down. Before the Bible was officially complied 400 years after Christ the church had already been established. If we didn’t have a Bible today and a random person had to compile it they wouldn’t know which books to choose BUT from tradition passed down we know the correct articles to use.
I have a Catholic background and when I first became born again it didn't take long before I found out there is no such place as Purgatory- it's just heaven or hell. That one false belief is damning souls to hell. The idea you are not good enough to go to heaven, but you are not bad enough for hell, so there always is purgatory that one will get prayed out- is so wrong! Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about Purgatory. Also, it cheapens Jesus's sacrifice on the cross. It is saying that it wasn't enough. My message to Catholics is don't believe in Purgatory. Repent ( and walk away) of your sins, make Jesus your Lord and Savior, read his word daily and prayer always. Walk close with him. Have a personal relationship with Jesus. God bless you. ❤
You don't understand idea of purgatory. It is in the Bible, Jesus is constantly speaking about some servants getting heavy beating, some servants getting light beating and paying up to the last penny before being released. It's all about things happening in afterlife and it's not about hell, because hell isn't temporary. It's all there but your flawed man-made Protestant tradition doesn't allow you to see it.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety Point to where purgatory is in the Bible. I do not believe in man made terms. The word of God is what I live by not what a bunch of Bishops made up one day many years ago at a meeting. Also if Jesus died to save us from the consequences of sin ( which is hell), what is the point of purgatory? By this teaching of purgatory- it says Jesus's work on the cross was not enough. I said it before- it cheapens Jesus's crucifixion. I am an ex- catholic and I left the church because It just didn't speak to me. I value a personal relationship with Jesus. I will leave it here. What I wrote was not attacking Catholics but pointing that Purgatory is not biblical. That is why I stopped believing in it.
@@annbee4494 do any unclean people enter into heaven?
@Radioactive3678 not one of us is righteous and can enter on our own. That is where the cross comes in, He took our sin upon Himself and paid our debt, we receive His righteousness and what the Father see's is a spotless bride without blemish or wrinkle. It's not our own, but it's the free gift given to us when we believe and repent. He lived the perfect life and was the worthy sacrifice, but others cheapen His sacrifice and say it's not enough.
@@klauge763 your missing the question. We all have a human nature that means we fall short and need Jesus but when we die are we completely clean from all of our human nature to sin, lustful thoughts gluttony? And can we enter into heaven having this human nature and if we cannot what happens between death and heaven to make us clean?
Did Jesus establish The Church, or the Bible?
He established the body of Christ which was called the Ecclesia or Brethren.
There is no quote unquote Church! Please steer clear of Rome🙏
@@jilesbo9175 the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded
@@NX2-30 No wrong. Half the Bible already existed even before Christ came on the scene. Wow, it was Jewish not Roman. And it was called the OT or Tanakh and it was authoritatively Cannonized. Please stop
@@jilesbo9175 ok. So when Jesus founded his church, was the new testament written yet?
@NX2-30 no, the NT was not written yet. Some was being written through Jesus' lifetime.
I could almost be persuaded to Catholicism but I have reservations over the infallibility of the Pope and the Mary thing is a little out there.
These false doctrines are only the tip of the iceberg my friend.
I’m not interested in confession as I see it going to a middle man instead of going to God Himself for forgiveness. I’m also definitely not sold on the idea of purgatory either. And the reverence for Mary, and a lesser degree saints, just comes off as odd to me.
Same. I'd totally be catholic if it was biblical
The religious spirit is an enticing one for some. The Church of Rome's heresies rotting and festering inside the walls of that institution must be such a foul odor in the nostrils of Almighty God that it's a wonder that He just doesn't puke all over it from Heaven. He is a long suffering, patient God. But someday....🔥🔥🔥 His 🔥 will consume all evil, including Rome's diabolical, corrupt institution and then EVERY knee shall bend and and EVERY tongue will realize and confess that Jesus IS Lord, and there is none like Him. Yes, Evil, murderous Rome, will crumble and fall completely on that Day.
What about immortality of the soul, praying to saints and other dead, Xmas?, what about the day of worship they ( papacy not the individual believers) enforced and killed ppl for heresies which were bible based? That's just starting points. Blessings
Dear Mike, u make one fundamental mistake in your judgement: you look at Catholicism from the outside. You look at the style of worship (which by the way is the extremely reminiscent to the way the early church worshiped) and u stumble because you are used to the less reverent and non sacrificial protestant styles of worship.
Regarding the papacy.... What's the alternative? Thousands of "popes" establishing their own doctrines and practices.
Jesus DID choose Peter in the Petra petros episode (Matthew uses Petra and petros to add variety as he does elsewhere). And He singled Peter out when he prays for him specifically at the garden of Gethsemane, when he restores him after the betrayal , asking him to tend to the flock and before ascending into heaven, when he gives them authority to bind and to loosen.
So much to say. But better keep this short. Blessings
Even the relatively low number of roman catholic popes cannot agree among themselves, historically contradicting one another. We have a high priest in Jesus and need no other mediator. See how the Bible in Acts calls the Bereans noble for examining Paul's words against Scripture.
@@leandronc not when it comes to the doctrines of faith. They are "set in stone" and no pope can ever teach against them .
And anyone can have access to the solid teaching of the church through the catechism of the catholic church.
The mediation Jesus did is unique because He is both God and man. However in his great mercy and goodness , he wants us to take part in his redemptive act. Whenever we pray for one another, whenever we spread the word, we are mediators (with a small m). Same goes with regard to the saints (when they pray for us) and priests (when they administer the sacraments) .
I've investigated Catholicism as a seeker, having a desire to convert. Upon my investigations, I quickly found out it's not right for me at all. There are too many unreconsilible differences. I know what they do, but I can't find any good arguments for WHY they do what they do. WHY do they believe what they believe. Usually, it boils down to "pope so and so said this in year ××××" or "we've done this for x amount of years," and that just doesn't cut it for me. If I can find a respectful Catholic who can engage lovingly to me and use scripture to plainly explain to me prayer to the saints and Marian theology. Other issues I'm willing to accept like infant baptism (I do not practice it but I cannot find a strong argument against it, nor is that a hill im willing to die on) or peter having the keys to heaven, or even the literal interpretation of the Eucharist I could over look or live with. Their are so many beautiful, inspiring things about the RC church that are very attractive but certain glaring practices that I can not ignore.
The Holy Spirit dwells in the Catholic Church since the year 33AD. He guides the church to all truth.
Ask him!!!!
@dvdortiz9031 that's the first thing I did before I went on my investigation.
When I was a child, I wanted to be a nun when I grew up because I couldn't imagine a better life than serving God all the time. I didn't realize I would have to be Catholic. When I figured that out, I looked into it briefly until I saw them praying to Mary and saints. That's just not Biblical. Now I'm non-denominational.
Jusus died for Mary!
To pray means to ask
You may pray your mum to pass you the salt
Open your dictionary
I understand the meaning of the word pray, and Jesus died for all of us. My issue is that Deuteronomy 18: 11&12 says that those who contact the dead are an abomination to the LORD.
If you are seeking to help me understand scripture, then I thank you. However, the snide remark about getting a dictionary makes it seem otherwise. May GOD be with you, and bless you.
Hi, i'm actually here to explain my point of view as a Catholic and try getting our ideas togheter.
When we pray to Mary or the Saints, we don't ask for their action, but for their intercession: it's like asking them to pray for us, which is a very hunan thing: we aren't making up new gods. The phrase you will hear the most while praying Mary or Saints is "ora pro nobis" (which means "pray for us" in latin, although usually it is translated in the local language).
@@ton_ak5119 Jesus Christ is the ONLY intercession between us and Father!
The way I see it. I trust the same authority that compiled the Bible, to lay down the rules and traditions to be followed alongside it.
This. THIS. Absolutely 🫶🏼🙌🙏
So they compiled it, preserved it, and yet contradict it or disregard it when it's convenient? Or the Lord is who he says he is and is capable of using corrupt men to preserve his word because he is the author and finisher of faith? The issue with this whole take is simple: Catholicism does not hold up to scripture. They use arguments in bad faith and read something in a way that no one worth a dang would when reading a historical text. They also insult the intelligence of John, Luke, Paul and Peter when defending Marian doctrine.
@@ajaniking111crystalbeat3 I am curious why your reply was highlighted... did Mike Winger highlight it? 🤔
@@ajaniking111crystalbeat3 they are only contradicting it based off the subjective/revolutionary views of protestant leaders. That still doesn't change the fact that the authority which compiled the Bible to begin with, is the same authority and thus the rational people should trust, in order to best interpret the gospel as it was meant to be when originally put together, by the Catholic Church and Early Church fathers. I would argue it's the Protestant denominations which change, alter, and contradict scripture, alongside the traditions that support and uphold scripture, when it best conveniences them to do so, usually when initiating a radical societal change. Kind of like Martin Luther or Henry VIII. Instead of drawing upon their humility and working to overcome and change the workings of corrupt men like Saint Francis of Assisi(and many others) within the greater church. They instead fell to pride and founded their own. Splitting up the faithful over ones own opinion of what doctrine should be, or what books belong in the Bible that has already been compiled. Staying true to the faith, and remaining United in Christ is truly my main hope for all of humanity. I testify the best way to do that is through his Church and holy Sacraments, One Holy Roman Apostolic and Catholic.
the Bible comes from Catholic tradition and the authority of this tradition comes from being *the first and the closest* to Jesus.
I dont agree with this line of thinking because by acknowledging the Bible as the word of God, you are already trusting the authority of those in the church who put the Bible together and had to interpret the books that should and should not go into the Bible. That takes interpretation of scripture and you're trusting that interpretation.
Interpretation of scripture should be done through the Holy Spirit, not through a person.
A sermon helps the believers understand doctrine, but that interpretation is still done by the Holy Spirit.
@@low1ryda anyone would choose the same cannon if they studied like they did. The fact that the church was the one to do it is irrelevant
@phlyermc7547 there are thousands of denominations with different interpretations of scriptures and many, if not most of them, would claim their interpretations were led by the Holy Spirit. But that can't be true if they contradict each other so this argument doesn't hold up.
@@onionsansnot sure what you're saying but I was just responding to the part where he says trusting tradition is trusting the Pope but that isn't a good argument against the Catholic church because all Christians trust the Bible which was written by man and interpreted by man. Inspired by God, yes. But you are also trusting humans who decided which books are the word of God and should be included in the Bible. Again, that's not an argument for Catholicism but it shows how this argument against Catholicism is a weak one.
@@low1ryda pretty sure he didn't say that bro. Also I don't "trust" the people who set the cannon, I check it myself
At 71 I came out from RC. I was in multiple ministries and was blessed by them. But God moved me on. I will hold them in the highest of respect as that is where I had formation. God wanted me there for a time. He is sovereign. So much beauty and teaching. I have kept what was valid as guided by Scripture and the Holy Spirit. You really hit the nail on the head. As a person on the spectrum of autism, it began to get confusing and a burden I could not bear. We must pray for everyone in the universal church. Some are in RC ♥️🕊
Hopefully you didn't become a Cavlinist.
@@John-jh5kshe already said he’s saved. Are you of Apollos or Paul? (Rhetorical question)
@@judgedredd31 Can you please explain your answer? I'm not sure about what you mean.
After 40 years in the crazy circus world of Protestantism, Evangeicalism, Pentecostalism and Charismatic-ism, I returned to the Catholic church last Christmas. I realized the truth that “the natural end of Protestantism is that everyone becomes their own church. To study history along with the Bible is to become Catholic. I love you all and pray you will discover the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist and in His Church. Blessings, Jim
I finally stopped testing Orthodoxy when the Father preached that if Orthodoxy lost the Bible, they would be okay because they still had their traditions. Plenty of other issues, but that was the deal breaker.
That could be a great argument, and in fact was one used by Irenaeus in the early church regarding how closely they collectively followed the Apostolic traditions, but what happens after thousands of years have passed and so much has been imported that those traditions can’t be found in the pages of Scripture?
@@humblewatchman1673in other words, are you saying that tradition without context is meaningless?
@username00009 If we can’t find evidence of tradition from the first 250 years and it’s not in Scripture, then one should seriously reconsider where those traditions came from - i.e. man and not of God. In the instances of complete contradiction of Scripture, all such tradition should be thoroughly rejected.
The Church literally existed before the Bible, yes the church would be okay
Are you not à liar
No matter how much a Catholic proves that everything we believe is in the Bible(which it is), protestants will always say "but that's not how i interpret the Bible."
@@Defox721 actually our most important doctrine is that we are sinners and the Christ (who is fully God and fully man) died to pay for our sins and rose again to give us life and that salvation is through repentance and faith in Jesus.
@@TomPlantagenet Without a pope, everybody becomes his own pope, and that ends up in a lot of churches very questionable, we the Catholics I mean the Romans at least are just one, but how many are there in the Protestantism like 100.000...I don't know but I prefer to read the bible by myself but let another more knowledgeable interpret. because I am humble enough to understand unless I become a priest I can not understand everything.
@@ivancaballero5123 so you’re saying because I read the Bible for myself as well as in community, then I become my own pope? Do you think that we’re all lone rangers and don’t have with our churches those who specialize in teaching the word as per Ephesians 4?Interesting. So, am I qualified to interpret your comment to me or do I need some other authority? Is it possible that the key message of salvation in Christ through faith was made clear by God for people to under?
Where did you come up with 100,000 denominations? How many of those denominations believe the same thing about major doctrines? Does the Bible teach the church as an organization or an organism? If it’s an organism, then doesn’t it make sense that two people who go to different churches but believe the same gospel regard each other as brothers in Christ?
On the other hand, if you have one pope over everyone, and he goes rogue, doesn’t he lead a whole lot of people down the wrong road?
@tomplantagenet Yes, maybe You are right, but I as told before I don't all the answers, but as far as I know Jesus gave to saint Peter the keys of the heaven in this earth, and he said:
Matt 16. [18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
only the catholics churches, I mean the Roman and Orthodox have apostolic succesion. and the bible came after the resuretion of Jesus, so the earlies christians churches are again the Catholics ones and those churches were which decided books were part of the bible and were not. and this is importat because with that autority who can decide which one are correct and which one are not.
Que la paz sea con tigo :)
@@ivancaballero5123 so you interpret Jesus giving Peter the keys as making him the head of the church? (He gives the same binding and loosing authority to the other apostles in Matthew 18:18-see verse 1).You also believe that this passage authorizes a successor to peter who is to be supreme over all the church. Where in this passage do you get that?
Most importantly, can you explain to me what is the gospel by which a person is saved? All these other issues are secondary to how one is made right with God.
God gave us free will, self-awareness, and the ability to think for ourselves. I can't trust anyone who tells me that I need someone else to think *_for_* me.
Generally a fan, but trying to call out an apostolic church as having human additions when your church was made wholesale by men 500 years ago out of that same church is unfortunate. If you have a problem with catholics give an example instead of generalized statements that could just as easily be applied to your faith.
It is a short after all..He's got hours long videos discussing the issues with Roman Catholicism. Also, it was called the reformation because it was trying to reform the church to the early days of Christianity and was not some new invention that is only 500 years old. They were trying to get away from unsound doctrines like the treasury of merit and return to the true Gospel which is Jesus Christ. Reformers drew heavily from the early church leaders like Augustine. The view of the reformation is we are Catholic, but not Roman so the early church is not rejected.
@@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv alright I can accept this is a short video, but he still didn't give any examples which takes almost no extra time and could have easily fit. However, now I'm curious. in what ways does the protestant reformation resemble the early church? From my understanding it was created out of Martin Luther's complaints to the Catholic church at the time. Some real (paying money for indulgences) and some imagined (incorrectly translating scripture that led to the removal of some biblical books from protestant Bibles later on). Catholic and Orthodox denominations in my opinion seem to be far closer in tradition, culture and belief to the early church than any denomination of protestantism.
Although that is no way me attacking protestantism which I believe has done a lot of good things. It definitely feels like protestant gripes with the Catholic church are for personal reasons otherwise they would accept our explanations for the basic things they get wrong about us instead of fear mongering that we worship Mary and the saints all the time and other basic mistakes.
Hey friend, Mike actually has multiple, well thought out, long videos detailing his problems with Catholicism. You can find them on this channel.
@@MrSpaceCrash Hello, so Catholics pray to Mary "Mary... pray for us sinners", which is unbiblical. I came from Orthodox btw.
Paul spoke about traditions and rebuked the new believing Jews from putting the weight of their tradition on the Gentiles because it was not fruitful to the Truth of Christ. Catholics and Orthodox put too much focus on their way or no way. And hold themselves in too high esteem that is only meant for the Trinity.
At the core of protestants, they point solely to Jesus.
Also, Jesus gave commandments to go out preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. He gave that command to every Jesus-believing, Holy Spirit filled believer. Catholics and Orthodox hold this power to themselves, which is unbiblical.
Also, Orthodox and Catholic pray to saints, which is unbiblical.
Also, back in the day religion held more power than the government and of course attracted a lot of corrupt and wicked people for that reason. That's why protestanism came out, it was necessary to get back to the original teachings of Christ and His disciples before the twisting of man's hearts and intentions.
Hope that helps add more perspective.
I can elaborate on any point you want me to.
@@mikebak8915 appreciate the response. For background my dad was catholic and my mom was protestant so I got a healthy heaping of both worldviews growing up and my parents decided to let me choose. Why would it be unbiblical to ask those who are dead to pray for us? If all are alive in Christ and we should pray for each other?
Luke 16 24-26 shows that God can let people know about things on earth even after we are dead and there is no reason to think that we stop praying when we enter heaven. If God listens to the righteous first it would make sense to ask the most righteous to pray for us.
Not to attack Protestantism but sola fide and sola scriptura seem to be more unbiblical to me than anything in Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
"Also, Jesus gave commandments to go out preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. He gave that command to every Jesus-believing, Holy Spirit filled believer. Catholics and Orthodox hold this power to themselves, which is unbiblical."
In my view Protestantism does this when it calls itself Christian but everyone else is catholic or orthodox. If we all believe in Christ why are protestants the only ones who get to call themselves Christian?
Not an attack and have immense respect for "in essentials unity in non essentials liberty and in all things charity." But I have been attacked way more for saying I was catholic compared to saying I was protestant.
I say this all the time! My son converted to Roman Catholicism after attending Georgetown University (Jesuit) and Cambridge in England and attending an Anglican Church there. He married a Catholic woman from Brazil, born into it. I even told my son that the Vatican reminds me of the Pharisees and Sadducees. And that I cannot image any pope being willing to be crucified upside down like the supposed first pope they base themselves after. But I know they both love God and I cling to that. And pray, pray, pray.
With love I say this as a ex protestant en route to Catholicism ("in catechuman"), I can confidently say your son has found the true Church established through Peter, the first Pope, AND established first by Chirst. He is definitely a Christian so there is no need to worry, but you can absolutely still or for his walk with God, nothing wrong with that as a loving mother I am sure you are!
Be comforted that Christ has him and even you said that he loves Jesus, so he is walking with God with a Catholic absolutely.
Praying that they read the words of Jesus and that they read the Bible for themselves instead of listening to the pope is one of the best things you can do.
There’s many Pharisee like Protestants as well though. The only thing wrong about the Pharisees was that they were hypocrites. There are hypocrites in every denomination
I’ll show you the Pope only using the Bible when you show me that the Bible is the only authority.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
Done. You don't really think anything has authority over God do you?
@@ccrow3355 “profitable” is not synonymous with “the only authority.” Try again. Are you really ignorant enough to believe that Catholics think the Magisterium of the Catholic Church has authority over God?
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@@ccrow3355 You failed. That passage doesn't say the Bible is the ONLY authority.
I believe the Bible is God's Word given to us (2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet.1:20-21 ). And of course the authority of the bible is based on the nature of God Himself. He has every power and authority. Therefore, whatever He said is authoritative.
As a Catholic, the biblical verses of the Pope and his authority can be found in Matthew 16:15-19. Reference towards tradition and doctrine can be found in 2 Thessalonians 2:14-15. I hope this helps you on your spiritual pilgrimage and your relationship with Christ and His Church, the Catholic Church! God bless you and your family always! ✝️🙏🏻😊🤍
Hi Mike! I'm Catholic, having joined the church in 2006 after leaving The Episcopal Church. I very much enjoy your videos, especially your four parter on homosexuality. Excellent development and presentation, soundly based. I read The Bible daily and go to daily mass. The institution is fraught with problems, no doubt, but I encounter Christ every day at mass. Ironically, the Catholic Church reads more of the Bible every day than any other church. I love the lectionary and confession. Repentance is central to our faith. The Catholic Church puts it front and center every day. And then there's the Patristics! But don't get me started! La Paz!🙏🏻🙏🏻😅
I hope you take this as I intend it, with love and understanding.
The Catholic Church and the Episcopal Church have the same core beliefs and traditions, especially since the Episcopal Church is a daughter of the RCC. And that's according to a former Episcopal Priest I met in a Protestant Church.
All you did was divorce the daughter to marry the mother.
@@chazwick75All protestant churches are offspring of the catholic church by definition. They just don't like/want to admit it
@@chazwick75not quite, the Episcopal church is the American version of the Anglican church not a daughter of the RCC as you said.
Ask a Catholic to share the gospel, what must I do to be saved? Remind of them of Paul’s charge in Galatians 1 where he says if anyone even an angel preaches a different gospel than what he presented, let them be accursed. Catholics cannot share the gospel in a way that honours scripture and upholds their Catholic distinctives.
While you’re at it, remind them of passages where Jesus has every opportunity to venerate Mary, but doesn’t do it. Such as Luke 11:27-28, Matt 12:46-50.
Don’t forget to share the true gospel of Jesus with them, walk them through Romans!
I think that's Mike's point. Even if the roman catholic agrees with you when reading the Bible, he'll think to himself (so what if I agree? my church authorities say this is wrong and they know better). But let's remember the Bereans that the Bible in Acts calls noble for checking the apostle Paul's words against Scripture for themselves before accepting his teachings.
I have many Catholic friends, they never shame me for being Protestant and I never shame them for being Catholic. We may disagree on some things, but that doesn't stop us from loving each other and loving Jesus. I wouldn't be where I am today without Jesus working through them to guide me and help me gather wisdom and understanding on the Word. I pray that every denomination can live in unity.
Same here. I’m Protestant and my best and most trusted friends are devout Roman Catholics.
I grew up as a Catholic, going to grammar school and an all-girls Catholic H.S. When I came to Christ, in my 40's ,I realized that Catholicism didn't lead me to Jesus and what he truly did by dying on the cross and by rising! Fast forward, I was asked to speak about my dad at his funeral at a Catholic church!
When the time came to receive the eucharistic, I folded my arms since the priest asked to do that if you weren't a Catholic. I was denied the communion wafer. I really thought that as long as I was a Christ-follower and presented that in my talk about my dad, surely, everyone could see that!
I haven't stepped into a Catholic church since then! Either you're a Catholic or you're not, and all the propaganda to call people back is very disheartening and is not the Way, the Truth, or the Life to me!
Matthew 16:18-19
[18]And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
[19]And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven."
I get no answers from God, and I’m so isolated from both him and friends.
I can’t meet a girl, I really just feeling I’d be better off without being religious.
As I’m just not getting anything, and I do ask.
I don’t even know what denomination I should be Sam Shamion is amazing at debating for the Catholic side.
I feel I’ve wasted my life I’ve been waiting for the right person to marry and I’m now in my late twenties.
I don’t know what to do?
I just rejected a girl I feel bad as she was nice, smart, good job and so on.
But she had multiple sexual partners, which I didn’t want in a girl.
But I feel terrible!
Edit, in my country religion is minority.
So it’s very hard to find people my age to hang out with.
I’m very shy and have terrible conversation skills!
That is something I really struggle with especially with nervousness!
I’ve been waiting years for a sign and never gotten one!
I feel your frustration. I know it's hard, but try not to worry about whether you'll marry or who you might marry.
Marriage is great, though plagued by sin in this life. But it's only a sign pointing us to the greater reality of our relationship with Christ in perfect unity. Ephesians chapter 5 spells this out directly.
We have two great examples in Scripture of single men - Paul, and Christ himself. Both gave themselves up to their mission, hoping in this deeper joy that will be theirs, and ours.
Countless people are in your situation. Take courage and keep growing in your faith and cultivating a social group where you can meet a partner. Note that God doesn't promise us a partner. And unfortunately we live in a time when finding a partner is very difficult because of tectonic social shifts that make meeting people and maintaining relationships harder. However, do keep praying and bettering yourself to make yourself more attractive to the people you're attracted to. About the girl you rejected. It's too bad. The right person will never be perfect but they'll have some beautiful things about them that will make it possible for you to tolerate their less beautiful parts. Having past partners shouldn't be a dealbreaker as long as they've genuinely repented.
My husband cheated on me before I married him. I forgave him and married him instead of leaving. It was a very hard decision but I'm so glad I forgave him. He was my first love. We have been married for 16 years this month. You should look at your heart. You aren't perfect either. Think about all the things you need to be forgiven for. No woman you meet is going to be absolutely perfect. One of the most important things about being in a long-term relationship is realizing that person is going to let you down and you need to forgive them like christ forgives us. And they need to do the same for you. If you can't look past each other's faults, you will stay single. Getting married is easy. Staying married is hard.
@@tiffinywoods3245 I don't disagree with you generally, but I would like to speak for the people who stay single. It's not always because they couldn't look past other people's faults. Society has changed. How families and communities live together has changed. How men and women relate has changed. Meeting people is difficult. People marry older and less these days. People have fewer children. It's not just individuals that cause these trends. It's a social shift that many find themselves caught up in. Some will marry, some won't. But I pray that all those seeking marriage will find a partner.
@mary_puffin I also agree. But sometimes, we need to be more understanding and forgiving for those reasons. But I can also see why one would rather stay single. It's not easy out there. And it doesn't seem to be getting better. I do pray the same, though.
You're making these shorts at the same rate as I'm listening to the mark podcast, this is great and a helpful recap!
The central argument of the Catholic Church is not just Pope is God’s guy, it’s that the apostles left behind the authority given to them by God and gave it to their successors, including the authority of head apostle to Peter, which is included in the Bible where Christ says on this rock I will build my church. Peters name is literally rock
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I am commanding you.
Deut 4:2
The pope's office is in the Bible not the man, we don't worship the Pope as a person, he just guards the core truths and the flock. If you read the catechism, it explains with scripture all the way through why we believe what we do.
Can you provide the verse that shows the Pope?
I'd also love to see the passage
I’m Protestant but as of late I’ve been liking what Pope Francis has been saying. People like to bend his words to fit their agendas but he’s an amiable man who just often communicates a bit unclearly.
"I'm not rebellious by nature."
**Reformed gasp**
I hate it when people value The Bible over God
I hate it when people discount the Bible as being the Word of God, but instead call it an idol. That is foundation on which cults are built.
@@pkmcnett5649
### What is Biblidoltry?
1. **Overemphasis on the Text Over Relationship with God**:
- Biblidoltry occurs when individuals prioritize the Bible itself over a relationship with God. The Bible is intended to be a revelation of God’s character, will, and redemptive plan, but not an end in itself.
2. **Literalism and Legalism**:
- This can lead to an overly literal interpretation of the scriptures, ignoring the historical and cultural context, and fostering a rigid, legalistic approach to faith. This undermines the spirit of the law and the broader message of love, grace, and redemption that the Bible conveys.
3. **Neglect of the Holy Spirit**:
- It can result in neglecting the role of the Holy Spirit, who is believed to guide believers in understanding and applying the Bible’s teachings. The Bible is seen as a living document that, through the Holy Spirit, continues to speak into contemporary situations.
4. **Division and Judgmentalism**:
- An idolatrous approach to the Bible can create divisions within the Christian community, as individuals or groups might insist on a particular interpretation or application of scripture as the only correct one. This can lead to judgmental attitudes and a lack of unity among believers.
### Why is Biblidoltry Problematic?
1. **Misplaced Worship**:
- Worship should be directed to God alone. The Bible is a tool that points to God and reveals His will, but it is not an object of worship itself. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for their legalistic adherence to the scriptures without understanding their true purpose (John 5:39-40).
2. **Inhibits Spiritual Growth**:
- When the Bible is idolized, it can stifle the dynamic and relational aspects of faith. True spiritual growth involves a personal relationship with God, guided by the Holy Spirit, and informed by the scriptures.
3. **Misses the Message**:
- The core message of the Bible is about love, redemption, and relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Idolizing the Bible can lead to missing this central message by focusing too much on the letter of the law rather than its spirit.
### Balancing Reverence for the Bible
- **Proper Reverence**:
- Christians are called to revere the Bible as the inspired word of God, valuable for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). This reverence should not, however, cross into worship of the text itself.
- **Focus on Relationship**:
- The Bible should be a means to deepen one’s relationship with God. Studying the scriptures, prayer, and reliance on the Holy Spirit should all work together to foster this relationship.
- **Contextual Understanding**:
- Interpreting the Bible with attention to historical, cultural, and literary contexts helps prevent misunderstandings and misapplications. It also encourages a more profound and nuanced engagement with the text.
In summary, "biblidoltry" refers to the misplaced worship of the Bible rather than God. It emphasizes the importance of using the Bible as a tool to enhance one’s relationship with God, guided by the Holy Spirit, and understanding its teachings in context.
@@pkmcnett5649 you do you bro
The Sacraments play a major part in everyrhing. The Eucharist is what Jesus left to us. He did not leave a book - Bible. He left the apostles - Peter for example - the first pope, and the Body of Christ - the Holy Communion. I love You all!!! God bless You!!!❤️🔥❤️🔥🕊
Grew up Catholic. Got saved at 15. Left the Catholic Church at 18. It's just not biblical.
With all due respect, if you left at 15, that means you never learned the Faith to begin with. Please take the time to actually look at what the Church teaches and then make an informed decision.
@@craigsherman4480He made an informed decision when he trusted Christ as his Lord and savior.
@@gailallen7790 Sadly, they did not and their comment expresses as much. As a Catholic, you become a child of God at your baptism. Then you receive the body and blood of Jesus at your First Communion. Finally, you confirm your faith (except Jesus as your Lord and Savior) At confirmation. All of these are Biblical just the like Church is Biblical.
So like I said, they did not make an informed decision.
@@craigsherman4480 babies being baptised is biblical? Mark 16:16 says in order to be saved we need to believe first then be baptised. A baby can’t believe in anything.
And hopefully joined Eastern Orthodoxy.
After having been raised catholic for so long and finally leaving it behind and becoming a Christian, I look back at it and while it kind of gave me a better foundation than say an atheist would have had growing up, I realize now that Catholicism cheapens Christianity and makes it like other religions in that you need to earn your salvation. Realizing that work had already been done was a game changer for me.
Catholics are Christians FYI
Catholics are Christian
I feel truly sorry that you weren't catechised properly in the Catholic Church. It is something that fails many people, but it's been getting better. If you actually knew what tha Catholic Church believes, you would have never had reason to leave. God bless.
@philfrank5601 We are not Catholic because we know exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. It's not the Holy Bible that's for sure. We follow Scripture and most things Roman Catholics do are unbiblical. They even had to write their own Bible to justify what they do. It's called Catechism.
Poorly Catechised
That's exactly why I'm Orthodox. The Scripture and only the Scripture
Ummm not just scripture , scripture and tradition
I feel like you’ve got Orthodoxy wrong, but I’m glad you’re in a liturgical and traditional denomination nonetheless.
The more I read my Bible,
the more it confirms to me that
I could NEVER be a Catholic.
Oh Mike, I'm an ex-Catholic and would return in a heartbeat if the RC Church would just preach the gospel.
Sadly, I could say the same about too many Protestant churches in the US today too. So much condemnation of others in addition to scandal after scandal - usually involving money and / or children. It's shocking, and it seems to be a problem throughout the Church.
Yet I believe we could learn much from each other if we could all get back to the true gospel.
Pretty sure the Catholics preach the Bible. They read from it every day in every service.
@@brian94954Yes. While also adding their own traditions. So that’s not the Bible now is it?
@@brandonwhitfield1278 nothing wrong with traditions. Especially those passed down from the Apostles.
@@brandonwhitfield1278 for example, where in the Bible does it say to conduct worship services on Sunday?
While looking into Catholicism and Orthodoxy, I got the impression that they view Protestants how Atheist view Christianity and its really disheartening. Luther didn’t want a new denomination he wanted to eliminate the errors that crept into the church.
I can only speak about the Catholics, but the ones I’ve met treat me like a brother who they compassionately disagree with. Catholicism recognizes many Protestant baptisms as valid (they have an official list), meaning they view us Protestants as somewhat wrong fellow Christians. I have no clue about the Orthos though.
I grew up in the catholic church, when I studied the biblei learned he truth. I would never be a catholic again.
The same argument can be turned around to say "Show me Sola scriptura just using the Bible and I'll become a protestant". Your challenge presupposes Sola scriptura which is not something Catholicism ever had or will accept. It's a challenge that will ultimately collapse itself. And I'm not even catholic.
My family on my dad’s side is Catholic. I’m not fond at all of their religion, solely because of their additions and misinterpretations of scripture and doctrine. Mary and and saints should not be prayed to. That’s idolatry at the least.
Mary is not a perpetual virgin. She and Joseph had a normal married relationship after Jesus’s birth and had multiple other children. And the whole idea of the Pope… a middleman between you and God? Nope. Jesus is my middleman, and no man can stand between him and me.
Agreed. I was Catholic for 56 years until I realized it was heavily works based and had way too many add ons. I now go to a nondenominational church which focuses on the Bible. My knowledge of the Bible has skyrocketed and my character has greatly improved.
Cool, where did they get the Bible from? 🤦🏻♀️
@@truthnotlies - they use what they call an “epistle” which is a collection of Bible readings, prayers and hymns. But if you talk to other Catholics about the actual Bible, 95% of the time you’ll get a blank stare. To be fair, if you talk about the Bible to other “Christians”, 70% of the time you’ll get a blank stare.
@@jammin6816 I just came from a Mass because I am investigating for myself. People, such as yourself, on the internet, say a lot of things and I want to see if they're true. We read OT, a Psalm, NT, and gospel reading lol. They've done this every time I have been there. Soooo ... Sure ...
@@truthnotlies - that’s like drinking a teaspoon of water when you live in the middle of the dessert. Good luck with that.
@@jammin6816 Read from all parts of the Bible is like drinking a teaspoon of water? It's sad you view the Bible like that. How many chapters of the Bible do you read every time you're at church? And what kind of church is it? Would love to know.
I would agree that RC did, in fact, add man made laws onto the traditions of the faith. However, I think the reformers like Martin Luther and Calvin took to much away and reinvented the wheel creating their own form of man made doctrines. Just something to think about
Look beyond Catholic and the Reformer dudes..... it's in your Bible where you set up your discernment.
@kingston163 I agree, the bible teaches to keep fast the oral and written traditions of the Chruch.
@@D2TWorld no, it does not do that
@@pkmcnett5649 2 thessalonians 2:15 "brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter"
@@D2TWorld you are reading the Bible through your Catholic perspective not through the lense in which Paul was writing to the church in Thessalonians.
I used to attend to both Catholics and Protestant churches. By and by when both got into the feeling, I saw the differences between the two...
“Oh look, here comes another non-Catholic to explain my Catholic faith”
As a non Catholic, I love Catholicism. Matt 18:16 is the best verse for the papacy I believe.
@@hismajesty6272Scripture does not confirm the papacy
@hismajesty6272 How on earth do you get the space from test verse. Read tgr whole chapter to give you context and it's clear it had absolutely nothing to do with papacy
@@williamgullett5911 Peter was the first pope that’s Bible
@@eugene3484 Peter only describes himself as an elder among other elders and an apostle. 1 Peter 1:1 and 5:1
Praying to Mary? Peter, the first Pope according to them, said only Jesus can be prayed to. Why don't they obey their first Pope? Acts 4:11-12 (NKJV): 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
You are not praying to them, you are asking them to intercede for you, to pray to God on your behalf
@@gabrielecamilli3574But we already have an intercessor.
@@gabrielecamilli3574 but if the Bible says Jesus himself is our mediator, why would we need to ask people who went to heaven before us to pray for us? If that's the case, then the veil was torn in vain 🤷🏽♀️
@@gabrielecamilli3574it is Jesus that intercedes for us because he is the one who died, is risen again, and sits at the right hand of God.
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Asking for something is defined as praying when talking to God. Stop being deliberately misleading. She is also called a co-mediator. You can pray to mediators. In fact, that is the whole idea.
For them, we elevated the Bible and to a place it wasn’t meant to be. They see Scripture and Tradition having equal authority, while Protestants do not.
All I mean is that for the Catholic / Orthodox believer, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura does not carry as much weight for them so it is a moot point when debating them.
That's sad to view elevating the Word of God as a bad thing and to view human traditions as equal to God's Word.
@@davidm4566 I get your point, I'm just trying to objectively say their argument. For them, the early church did not elevate God's word above church tradition. This is debatable based on your interpretation of church history, but they argue that Scripture gains its authority from God, but also the fact that the Holy Spirit, through the church, has taught us to view it as authoritative. For instance, they hav 7 sacraments they adhere to and they also see Scripture as arising from church tradition. For them, to see Scripture and tradition not together is an impossibility because Scripture arose from church tradition.
Also, they see the church councils as authoritative. The Bible's compilation arose out of those councils in part.
Please do a podcast with a Catholic apologist. The more we talk about our difference with charity and love the more we can become one.
Somehow, I see Catholicism as a blend of the truth and roman polytheism. It's like they see God as Jupiter, Mary as Juno, and the saints as the lesser gods ( you pray to one saint/god for your crops, and other saint/god for fertility, etc)
It almost as if they miss the point of the true God's sovereignty.
I’d you see it that way you need to get your eyes checked
@@apologiaromana4123 than why do they pray to the saints instead of going to the one true God? What is with the relics? It is a soft polytheism and idol worship
People “pray to the saints” like someone who asks another to pray for them as a favor, the only difference being the saints are in Heaven with the Lord and are not preoccupied with managing their own life. We all feel solace in knowing others are also praying in common cause with us. The Saints are the same.
@paulatreat2496 Relics are for tangible continuity with Christian saints of past ages. A physical reminder of the deep history of the faith, and the giants on whose shoulders we stand. It’s the same as why many Christians take pilgrimages to Israel: direct and tangible connection to the past.
@@paulatreat2496We pray to the Saints so they can pray for us and intercede on our behalf.
Why do you ask others to pray for you instead of going to God? Catholics go both to God Himself and the Saints. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
If we actually worshipped the Saints, or if the Church taught that we do, then we would make a sacrifice every mass to the particular Saint. We don’t do this
Are Christian church agreements to confirm church membership biblical?? I’m having a hard time willingly signing an agreement even though it is based on biblical standards. I don’t want to be rebellious but it doesn’t seem right to me. 🤷🏻♀️
Excommunicating consistently rebellious and sinful members is Biblical so you would have to be an actually recognized member to be able to be excommunicated if that makes sense. Paul talks about this and he also says to let anyone who repents back in so official discipline is a sign of a real church.
As far as being a member of the church, local or global, it is always based on the Scriptures, it's not like we are getting together to play a game or meet for coffee, there's a super natural connection with Christ, He being the Head; (Colossians 1:18, Ephesians 1:22-23) , The pope is a fraudulent "head", promoted in Roman Catholicism, and in the true church all the members are referred to as "Priests"; (1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 1:6). Not so in Roman Catholicism.
Formal church membership in the modern sense wasn't really a thing in the first century.
But if you read Titus 1:9, church elders are given authority to rebuke those who contradict church teaching. So, in some sense, the church can require you to agree to their doctrine. (Mumble mumble not authentic writing of Paul mumble mumble).
There's nothing really wrong with just attending as a guest, or even finding a different church.
Objective, secular History about ‘the church’
+ the 151 Anathemas from ‘the church’ DISMANTLES Catholicism thoroughly.
If they issued no anathemas then they would be feckless and invalid. Tell me, should the Church tolerate the teaching that the Old Testament God is evil, or that Jesus is not God, or that the Holy Spirit isn’t God, or that sins committed after Baptism are unforgivable? All who teach such deadly falsehoods are condemned and anathema because they go against the teachings of Christianity.
They’re not thinking “you’re not the pope.” They’re thinking “there’s no evidence, especially not in scripture that the Bible is the sole infallible rule of faith.”
Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church. Submit.
Facts. I guess it has to say pope
Peter didn't rule over the flock like the pope.
"The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away." ~ 1 Peter 5:1-4
@@hermanwooster8944 yes Peter did. Peter was leading the charge.
@@hermanwooster8944 The Letter of Clement to James
“Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter” (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).
@@eugene3484 In the verses above, Peter warned the elders not to be lords over the flock. He is repeating the words of Jesus in Mark 10:42-45 that said Gentiles do this whereas the Apostles were to be as servants like Jesus on earth. It's this gentle, meek image of the Lamb of God that the Apostles were to imitate. This differs drastically from the Catholic church and her popes that ruled like the Gentiles as lords over the flock in contrast to Peter's and Jesus' words.
Catholics standing on the Bible verse "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church" (Matt 16:18) should be greatly concerned such a huge part of their theology hangs on such a hotly contested verse 😳
Even as a non-denominational Christian, I can at least concede that before the advent of the Protestant reformation, that verse wasn't contested by anyone.
@@gaiusoctavius5935 There is not good evidence that Peter emerged as some sort of "super-apostle" in the early church. Some Catholic friends point back to this verse but the Papacy is not a logical outcome of this verse in its context.
@TheKris333 Eh. The earliest Christians after the apostles ascribed a special authority to Peter, whether it set him above them or not, is a debate to be had between Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants who care about that sort of thing.
The entire idea of Protestantism is "we aren't Catholics." How does it make any sense to use that as an identity?
No. Protestants identify as Bible-based Christians.
I grew up Roman Catholic. I felt the strong Pharisitical influence for years.
1. We never added anything, tradition has been what held the church until the year the Bible was finished, by the way by the Catholic Church.
2. Look up what infallible actually means regarding the pope. We don’t believe he doesn’t sin, we just believe that he has to help of the Holy Spirit to guide us.
3. The Bible never suggests that we should only follow what it says, in fact, it rejects that.
Love you brother, keep studying the truth and be open to it!! ❤️
“The throne of Peter from whom no error can flow” st Cyprian! 256. Our Church fathers know best!
Amen Mike! Love that response
I am a convert Baptist, Pentecostal to Roman Catholic
Hebrews 13:17
Matthew 16 when Jesus nominates Simon as the rock (peter) and gives him the power to bind and to loose. The power to build a doctrine for us to obey because not he and the disciples are our authority and they will take account as they are watchers over our souls.
There will always be sin in ANY church and ANY religion. If someone in the church decides to act like a Pharisee or lean towards teachings that are not of the Catholic faith. They will take account for that themselves. Not the church.
No. I don't think "because the pope said so."
I think, James 2:18 -
I will show you my faith by my works.
Because faith without works is dead.
That I may glorify Him.
Amen brother !!!! This is what I truly want them to understand. I love them deeply and just want them to see the truth about God. It's all about relationship with God
Catholics seek relationship with God. What they lack is letting go of self justification to make room for just trusting God.
@@ricksonora6656 well I'm sure some do but some have created a relationship or what they want to be in mary and completely put Jesus on the back burner. But I would also agree with your part to. In fact most of us humans struggle to trust him even though he is the only one who Is trustworthy. It's a journey for sure to just let go and allow him to work. Pray for each other daily this life is not easy 🩷
@@AmeeraG242 I agree completely. Some are miles away from knowing God while others are thousands of miles away.
It always feels like Protestants are talking about a country they have never visited but want to tell me, a local, how it is bad. Hes describing something that just sounds like a telephone version.
Paul warned us to not change the gospel. Any change brings a curse. Roman Catholics, as this video demonstrates, have changed an enormous number of things that are clearly stated in the Holy Bible. I love everyone and I pray their eyes will be opened.
"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:19)
Agreed! With that said we're all rebellious by nature but redeemed by Christ when we're born again & trust in Him til the end
That's what I was thinking
Mike,as usual you are on point! Thank you so much for all you do!
Grew up Baptist in a highly Catholic area. I joined the military but once I saw combat my beliefs left me stuck. I was yet to be baptized and I did not have a priest around me to forgive my sins, so by either denomination I was destined for hell had I died, supposedly.
I wish I had learned that Jesus is with me everywhere and I didn't need any intermediary. Between combat and false doctrine I lost my faith.
I was always raised on the false teachings that good things happen to good people. In combat, bullets and bombs don't care about how "good" you are. All my near death experiences made me feel like I wasn't good. Why was I going through if I was a good person. All my spiritual leaders told me if I was good, life would be good.
I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ but some incorrect teachings have dire consequences. I learned the hard way.
I am sorry you were taught that good things happen to good people. Jesus was good, and he was crucified for it. The apostles were good, but all were killed except for St. John. Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people.
"But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust." (Matthew 5:44-45)
Also, the Catholic Church does not assume you were destined for hell because you were not baptized or go to confession to a priest. God wills that everyone be saved, and he provides the means for that to occur. Human beings are hardwired for God. Every person is expected in their lifetime to seek truth and to do God's will as best they understand it. People who strive daily to discover what is true, good, and beautiful and risk great suffering to conform their minds, hearts, and lives to God are rightly called persons of goodwill. Sins can also be absolved outside of sacramental confession, but the affirmation is missing. The sacrament of confession is a great benefit because the penitent has a concrete affirmation that their sins have been forgiven. The Catholic Church also recognizes baptism of desire. Water baptism is normative, but many people desire or would desire baptism if they knew about it.
Please don't let false teachings and misinformation destroy your faith. Consider giving the Catholic Church the benefit of the doubt and enroll in their RCIA program. You will be surprised and delighted if you give it a chance. Jesus is much closer than you currently realize.
"Jesus pronounced a blessing upon Peter and proclaimed Peter's answer as having been derived by divine inspiration. He then stated, “And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18)
Jesus gave the authority to the church through Peter. The Bible was compiled by the church and the doctrine based on the interpretation of the authority given by Jesus. Please submit.
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Ex Protestant in catechuman right now on way to becoming a catechised Catholic and I cannot agree more. Becoming a Catholic has been the best thing for my faith, I feel so enriched ever since Christ called me home to His true Church ❤
To me it's similar to non Christians only in the sense that they want to believe what they design themselves to be the truth, in their hearts
I am iranian born again christian and the reason i didn't become Muslim like my family and the reason I chose to follow Jesus is because I wanted to know the truth of God before anything else
If I wanted to shape God how I wanted him to be maybe I would of become Muslim to please my Muslim family
This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you for articulating it. Very well put
As a Catholic man I’d just like to say, I love ya Mike 🙏🏼
The amount of times ive been called a heretic by orthodox and catholics. Also been told im going to hell for being protestant. It really hurts me. Im not sure how to feel. But when your brothers in christ tell your you're going to hell. That really hurts.
I'm an Eastern Orthodox I believe that your going to heaven I don't believe your a heretic
@jonathannkalpha7606 I really appreciate that. Thank you. God bless.
@@luger4799I agree, since you believe in Jesus, you’re going to Heaven
@@ChristopherAmedu thank you. God bless.
I think it was my grandfather who was a missionary to Mexico said you could be a Catholic and a good Christian but you couldn't be a good Catholic and a good Christian.
This is a good one. The issue with the Catholicism is that it's not emphasize teaching on the scriptures or on doctrine. So lots of people in it are bad Catholics as they don't really know what they believe.
That makes no sense because Catholics are Christians. That would be like a Catholic saying, "You could be a Baptist and a good Christian, but you can't be good Baptist and a good Christian."
They accuse us of idolizing the Bible and then they completely ignore the Bible when it comes to backing up their doctrine.
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Completely false. We don’t accuse you of idolizing the Bible and all Catholic teaching is in agreement with the Bible.
They idolize the Church! The Holy Bible is God’s infallible Word and is forever settled in heaven; you can’t say that about the Vatican!
If they are not against us, they are for us
The infallibility of the Pope comes in only Extreme circumstances with only some very limited topics. Not everything the Pope says is true. It is a clear cut fact that the Catholic Church put the Bible together, and that is why tradition is placed at a similar importance to the Bible. We do this because there was a time the church taught teachings without the Bible and so they needed tradition. The extra doctrines are all from tradition dating back to the first Pope we had, Pope Peter the Apostle.
I know a few ex protestants who are now Catholic. One said that only the Catholic church had the answers they were looking for. I really don't understand. One used to sometimes preach at his church.
Deception
Because paganism is very attractive. You want money? Pray to the money god. Going on a trip, pray to the driving god. Did something bad, just tell some rando who forgives you. It’s very easy. Plus they intentionally indoctrinate kids make them affirm their allegiance at the adult age of like 15
Its... easier. Its a lot of weight on your shoulders to try and interpret scripture yourself. What if youre wrong, and you have to change your mind?
How can you know the answers you found are even correct?
Catholics I imagine, dont have to ask these questions.
@@Yipper64 it’s really not that hard. It’s like marriage. If you come at everything with kindness and compassion while sticking to your principles you’re pretty much always good to go.
It’s also not an argument. It has nothing to do with the validity of the Catholic Church and its teaching which are objectively heresy
@@psyience3213 I was just trying to explain why its appealing, not how it might be true, because it isnt really.
Things that arent true are often appealing.
He said it so wonderfully. I wasn't raised to dislike the Roman Catholic Church - my culture is Protestant and because of that there is no strive between the two here. So, I don't have negative feelings towards the RCC and I will follow God wherever He is. If I thought the RCC is in line with Scripture I would follow it tonight. But Christ talked about putting the traditions of man in the place of God's Law and that it's wrong. So I'll become RC the day they do away with all the extras they put between Christ and His bride.
Exactly, I'm former roman catholic and I always tell people that the catholic church reveres the Catechism's authority over the Bible's authority.
If the catechism ceases to exist so will the catholic church.
Ain't that the 100% the truth!
@@drjanitor3747 That's what you are taught, but it didn't. The RCC was started in the 300's AD by Constantine 1 but back dated to the time of Peter to gain legitimacy. Peter was NOT even a pope, there were NONE then, but RCC made him so. RCC just accept it as fact or ask their priest is this so who naturally says, yes! What do you expect to be told, no? Remember, Protestants were once RCC members who broke away from it!!
Because of the persecutions of Diocletion in the later c290AD when later Constatine 1 announced his edict of 313AD (to stop persecution of Christians) most Christians (ie those who weren't gnostic) did not trust Rome! Understandably, the ones that did (!) formed later the RCC under Constantine the Great and many pagan beliefs, etc were incorporated in the RCC to make it acceptable to the pagans of the time.
@@drjanitor3747 I know that you have no clue except for what you're told with no independent research, if you even know how to.
Just like fed MSM you accept and are compliant never thinking it's there to shape your reality that's acceptable to the status quo ie the descendants of the fallen (Genesis 6:4) who rule you.
@@drjanitor3747 Typical clueless comment!
@drjanitor3747 please do your research before sounding dumb. The catholic church cannonized the Alexandrian text into a bible which was not accepted by the jews. The additional books in your old testament are babilonian uninspired books.
In Romans 2 Paul explains the responsibility that The Jews had in conserving GODs word. So if we want to look at what books should be in the old testament we need to look at the Jews old testament. Which is why we have the Masoretic text as an old testament in our bibles.
You have chosen to pledge allegiance to an organization and not to Christ.
I agree... especially praying to saints, Moses never prayed to Abraham. 😅
It's almost a form of ancestral worship on top of being idolatry
Oh yeah? Then why saints are depicted carrying our prayers before throne of God in Revelation?
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety That idea is read into the text. Everything in the book of Revelation is eschatology and about eschatology.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety does that warrant praying to them? Can’t these be prayers that are to God that these are holding, it doesn’t mean that they were to them.
@@TomPlantagenet And who says Catholics are praying to them? Only Protestants believe such bs. Can I ask you to pray for me? If so, why can't I ask a saint - someone who's already in the presence of God - to pray for me? How much more merit such prayer can give? Enormous.