Unbiblical stuff the Catholic Church teaches: Mary, Indulgences, Eucharist, Priests, 7 Sacraments
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Evaluating the unbiblical traditions of Catholicism. Having rejected the gospel of grace they have added a bunch of works and a bunch of mediators between you and God.
We will deal with several specific teachings that have developed over time in Catholicism. Teachings about Mary, indulgences, the seven sacraments, the Eucharist and more.
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"Your prayers are powerful because the One you're praying to is powerful." Man, that's good stuff.
Sounds like a good punchline, but take a look at the guy in Luke 12: 13-14, who prayed directly to Jesus and was rebuked. The powerful prayers are those from a humble heart........see Luke 18: 9-14.
@@miketeixeira7853 the point being that the powerful One we are praying to will keep us humble.
@@TheGosslings.......or rebuke YOU.
@@miketeixeira7853 perhaps I'm mistaken, but nowhere in that passage does it say this man prayed to Jesus.
Luke 12:13-14 (King James Version):
"13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.
14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?"
Here, the man is at best asking Jesus to serve as a judge or divider/arbiter, as Jesus Himself replied. There is nothing about prayer here, less so anything divine. Jesus was approached like a tribe elder or as unto Moses to settle a dispute:
Exodus 18:25-26:
"25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.
26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves."
As for the Luke 18 passage... amen.
@@bladesxf..........To pray is to make a request/a plea/ask for. Maybe, YOU are thinking of ' worship ' which is different. I can ask someone to pray for me, but I can't ask anyone to worship for me.
I was raised catholic, then turned atheist at 18 now i am a christian at age 25. God is good
Come Home to the only Church founded by Jesus. Catholic. Study the Cathisiem of Catholic Church.
@@GODBLESSES wrong
Catholic Church is a false pagan cult led by a pope you call Holy Father?
Popes are not holy Bible says we are all sinners
Pope is not your father
Do you know anything about 2000
years of Catholic Church immorally rape and murder
Do you know anything about Catholic Church today
20 Dioceses are currently bankrupted
because 4000 priests are guilty and being sued for millions because they raped children
Mary was no Virgin she had many children with Joseph after her virgin birth
Jesus was Marys first born son
‘Mathew 1/25
God wants us to be fruitful and multiply
Catholic Church false teachings that virginity is holy
We are all sinners
Virgin or not
You have no knowledge of other religions or the Bible
You foolishly think what you were taught as a
Child is true
Have you searched for truth
Prayed for a understanding
Do you know gods word in the Bible
Ever heard evangelicals pastors
Billy Gram or Charles Stanley or Joseph Prince or Joel osteen
Ever been to a revival
Have you been born again
Did you follow Catholic Church teachings on premarital sex birth control or abortion
Do you do constant rosary’s or go to confession
You are so full of mortal sins on your way to hell
You must follow your Catholic religion 100
Percent
You can’t pick and choose
Unless you leave the church
Accept Jesus as your SAVIOR
Jesus said you must be born again to enter heaven
Do you follow any rules
Think your a good person
Bible says we are all sinners
You are living in darkness
Blinded by the god of this world Satan
Gates to heaven att narrow few will enter
Really think a billion lost Catholics are going
Do you even go to church at all
Shame on you
@@walterromanoff2953 Shame on you for not being Catholic. You are right about lot's of rules but they all are designed to get you into heaven easier. That is why salvation is through the Catholic faith. Why would I listen to heretics like Graham or Osteen leading souls away from Heaven when I have something so much greater than them.Are they all you have? This greater thing is a path to heaven through His Church that Jesus founded. Absolute historical proof He did found the Church and appointed Peter as first pope. BTW the position as pope is referred to as Holy Father not the specific person. We have had a few very unholy popes over 2000 years. The title comes with the job. Have you been born again through water and spirit as the bible says? You can't enter heaven if not. Just read John 3. We are all sinners yes but Catholics have the sacrament of Confession instituted by Christ on the evening of Easter. And yes we must follow the Church 100%. Of course we all fail and sin sometimes but that is why Jesus instituted the sacrament of confession. Believe me when I say when you leave the confessional and say your penance it fells like a load has been lifted from you. A feeling you probably will never experience. Yes the gates are narrow and few outside the Church will probably see heaven. That's up to God to determine though. Salvation is just so much easier being in the Catholic Church than outside of it even with all the rules and self discipline practicing Catholic must have.
@@jaym5938 Yes but it is the cult of Jesus Christ. Your Lord and Savior. I wouldn't call His teachings "a damn dirty cult" ever. Evidently you don't believe in heaven or hell or you wouldn't say such things. The cult of man. Yes founded by the man Jesus with Peter as His first pope. Do you know any history at all. You sound ignorant of any history of Jesus.
@@jaym5938 What cult are you?
Jesus said “No one can come to the Father unless through me.”
N/BROWN-----Is this how you prove that we must not ask our mothers, OR HIS BLESSED MOTHER, to pray for us ? Sounds like it !
PTL …… but delusional rc don't care and don't understand what "alone" means. even their false church teaches Christ Alone is our Redeemer/Mediator. but the laity are so lost they say --- no Mary, you have to go through Mary. therefore, again the rcc calls Jesus a liar.
John Sheedy
You got it John
God sent his son to die for our sins
He used a virgin birth to do it
Mary went on to have relations with Joseph
They had many children
Praying to a virgin mother goddess is paganism
Catholic Church has false teachings
Jesus said I am the only only way to the father
Catholic Church says you need saints
Popes and mother goddesses worship of Mary. Fatima Guadeloupe
All catholic lies
Learn the Bible
Try other churches
Good luck
@@walterromanoff2953 Funny how the Catholic church GAVE the world the bible, has preached it and carried it to the 4 corners of the globe for centuries but doesn't know what it means ! But you Johnny-come-latelies that arrived on the scene 500 years ago, know all about it ! LOL ! LOL! Tell us the real meanings and try to get some of your Thousands
of disagreeing, splitting up, arguing denominations to agree on ANYTHING that the bible means !----LOL !
Walter Romanoff Amen, Walter. Funny that the Catholics argue and say the they have the original Bible when the Bible was written long before Catholicism arrived. Take care, brother!
Would love to see you debate an actual catholic theologian 😂 cannot believe how little homework you did
Faith saves, works sanctify. Faith is love, works are discipleship.
In 1 Cor. 13, St Paul wrote, " If I have faith to move mountains but no love/charity........I have nothing." Faith is faith and Love is charity.
Exactly. And we want to do good, because we are filled with the Holy Spirit upon our earthly salvation. I have observed this to be true, it just happens. Can't really explain it other than that.
This comment makes me think of something. When Jesus gave the 2 greatest commandments. It reminds me of this concept.
The faith part is loving God with all your heart mind and soul.
The works are like the love for your neighbor, as you love yourself.
I’m not saying these are absolute truths but this is how I’ve started to look at the true reason for works. Works is for others and to be that reflection of light from God.
Faith is being secured in Jesus and strengthening it by growing our relationship with Him thru His holy Word.
Whatcha think?
(( Part 2 = Faith - vs - Works - continued ))
James declares - James 1:22 -Be doers of the Word and not hearers only thus deceiving yourselves -and - James 2:26 - Faith without works is dead.
In 2 Cor. 9:6, Paul declared - He who sows sparingly will reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will reap bountifully. (Ephesians 2:10) For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (( See also Heb 13:16, Romans 2:6-8, James 2:14, Matthew 25:31-46. ))
Purpose of Scripture
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In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 we read that Scripture - meaning the Bible - is given to equip us for - Every - Good Work
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every - Good WorkJ
esus gave us Commandments - not suggestions - for which there are penalties for non-performance. Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st Christian - Faith - community, were " executed " by God because they did not put their Faith into Action.- Acts 5.
Because we are responsible for all sins after Baptism, Jesus on the very day of His Resurrection from the dead, breathed His Spirit and - empowered - all the Apostles to forgive - or retain - Sins - John 20:22-23. This breathing was the same as the Breath that gave the life-force to the earth-created Adam - Genesis 2:7. Therefore Catholics confess to their Priests, as Apostles don't live forever. Confession thus restores the Life-Force to souls deadened by sin, especially Deadly ( Mortal ) sins - James 5:16-17. Protestants don't confess and thereby retain their sins.
And because we still retain our Fallen Natures, Jesus has given us His Flesh to eat and Blood to drink as - Real Food and Drink - for Eternal Life - John 6:53-58. After all, we become what we eat and drink. And God wants us to be Spiritual People. Therefore, Paul cautions that we should partake of Holy Communion - worthily - 1 Corinthians 11:27.
Acts 2:42 states that the 1st Christian community - devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to the communal life, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. Our Catholic Mass has originated from this, with readings from the Bible in place of the - long dead - Apostles' teachings
At the name of Jesus every knee should bend - Philippians 2:10-11, Romans 14:11, Isaiah 45:23.
Luke 22:41 = Jesus withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42. Thus Catholic churches have kneelers, Protestant churches do not.
Most importantly, John 21:25 declares that Jesus did a world of - Works. This is the most awesome statement on Works, and as Christians, we are called to be like Jesus and do likewise.. Protestants who deny the need for works are certainly not Followers of Christ.
Lastly, Check Luke 12:48 whereby Jesus will demand = More = from Christians to whom much has been entrusted.
The purpose of Faith =
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“Rise and go; your faith has made you well.” = Luke 17:19.
Jesus, in His healing miracles, attributed Faith as the catalyst that made healing possible.
Thus Faith is necessary on earth especially in times of difficulties, doubts and persecutions.
However, for Salvation and Heavenly entry, it is = Faith without works is dead."
save in love we are not saved and changed by works ,we only overcome one way, Revelation 12 vs11 They overcame by the blood of the lamb , only by continually freely accepting by faith alone what Jesus the only true lamb of God, already did at Calvarys cross, can we get saved, stay saved, stay pure and continually be changed by the Holy spirit, and rise above our sin nature, While repantance is needed, it's really looking back by faith alone to Jesus and what he did at Calvarys cross long ago that opens the door and keeps it open ,only Through what Jesus already did at Calvary long ago will we miss Hell and see Jesus the risen King and the Father in heaven,not because of anything we've done)
It breaks my heart that my father's last words as a Catholic Deacon were that he HOPED he was going to be with his Lord. He didn't KNOW.
See John 11: 25. Blessings !!!
@@bethanywolfe5065 Why didn’t he know?
@johnsteila411 because his catholic beliefs leave no assurances. He passed having fear of purgatory and unforgiven sin.
@@bethanywolfe5065 I’m sorry for your loss and you have my condolences.
I have been Catholic and I used to take priests to hospitals to give last rights to the faithful. We were taught that if you died in the state of Grace then you were assured heaven. I guess it’s not the same everywhere.
@@johnsteila411 Amen ! John 11: 25 says it best.
Hebrews 7:25: therefore He is able to save completely (or forever), those who come to God through Him (not a priest), because He ALWAYS lives to intercede for them.
YOU = Hebrews 7:25: therefore He is able to save completely (or forever), those who come to God through Him (not a priest), because He ALWAYS lives to intercede for them.
ME = However, we have still retained our Fallen Natures. And that is why Jesus - God and Judge - has given us the Sacraments of Confession and Holy Communion to tide us over when we sin. We can thus only ignore these at our peril. And it is vital to Love God and Neighbour as Commanded - not suggested - by Jesus
CONFESSION
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Because we are responsible for all sins after Baptism, Jesus on the very day of His Resurrection from the dead, breathed His Spirit and - empowered - all the Apostles to forgive - or retain - Sins - John 20:22-23. This breathing was the same as the Breath that gave the life-force to the earth-created Adam - Genesis 2:7. Therefore Catholics confess to their Priests, as Apostles don't live forever. Confession thus restores the Life-Force to souls deadened by sin, especially Deadly ( Mortal ) sins - James 5:16-17. Protestants don't confess and thereby retain their sins.
HOLY COMMUNION
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And because we still retain our Fallen Natures, Jesus has given us His Flesh to eat and Blood to drink as - Real Food and Drink - for Eternal Life - John 6:53-58. After all, we become what we eat and drink. And God wants us to be Spiritual People. Therefore, Paul cautions that we should partake of Holy Communion - worthily - 1 Corinthians 11:27.
MASS
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Acts 2:42 states that the 1st Christian community - devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to the communal life, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. Our Catholic Mass has originated from this, with readings from the Bible in place of the - long dead - Apostles' teachings
LOVE OF GOD & NEIGHBOUR
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Because we don't love perfectly, Jesus urged us to - Strive - and make every effort to enter through the narrow gate - Luke 13:23-24. And He clarified in Matthew 7:13-14 that Few make it to Heaven whereas Many go to Hell. So if 5 to 10 are the Few of every 100 that make it to Heaven, whereas there are 20, 30 or 40 - the Many who go to Hell - where are the remaining? Obviously, in Purgatory.
Question = Can you give even 1 example of a person who was saved by Jesus' intercession ?
2 Practical examples to examine
FIRST = Let us examine the - Other - thief on the cross who was not promised paradise. Of all the people in the Bible, this unfortunate person was the most "lost." He was on his death-bed and was even then mocking the author of Life and only Saviour, Jesus who had previously declared =Luke 19:10 : “For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost." So here was the most-desperate and prime candidate who required - Grace - the unmerited favour for salvation. Did Jesus save him and promise paradise????
(( NOTE = Catholics have a saying whereby we believe that God created us without our cooperation/aid, but will
= not = save us without our cooperation and aid = that is without confession and Holy Communion.))
Scenario = A ( Christian ) person rages over ( pagan ) driver damaging his brand new car that he charges into him with all his might that the helpless person falls down badly, severely damaging his back and rendering him an invalid and bed-ridden for the rest of his life.
Question - For whom is Jesus interceding with the Father for = the Christian - or - the pagan ??2nd Question - Does Jesus intercede for sinners/perpetrators/ Nine-Eleven Terrorists - or - their victims ??
SECOND = During World War 2, a Holocaust survivor, heard a young Jewish Rabbi who was being led to death loudly declare = There is no God.
Both Hitler and Stalin were baptized. Yet they were two of the greatest mass-murderers of all time, not even sparing Rabbis
Question - Do you believe that one day both Hitler and Stalin will be enjoying Heavenly bliss if Jesus has made propitiation for their sins ??
NOTE = In my dealings with other Protestants, I have noted that they are quick with " theoretical " verses from the Bible. However, we are urged to = test = all spirits. True Doctrine can = only = arise after examining how God worked in the lives of people. Take for example, the couple Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st = Faith = Christian community, who were "executed" by God for just dishonesty and lying, and this only a short time - after - Jesus' Heavenly ascent- Acts 5. What happened to Jesus' intercession. ??
Protestants also believe that Jesus' Blood wiped away all past, present and future sins. If this was the case, how come Sodom and Gomorrah have not been restored ? And God can see the past, present and future all at once because He is outside time. So why did God permit the 70 year Babylonian exile, if Jesus was going to pay their sin debt ? Or the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD?
And if I rob you of your house and property, will God welcome me into Heaven as - Good and Faithful servant - and proceed to give me the best mansion there ?
@@loboman8029 that's the thing though with this infused righteousness by faith because it leads you into the error that by performing all of the sacraments it is thus saving me from the sin that I have in my life. Why do you think that Roman Catholicism has so many festivals? I think it leads its credence into the fact that they believe in original sin and the total depravity of man rather than seeing that through Adam we have a weakened physiology. This is the problem with most western theology that has come about through the augustinian doctrine of original sin and all the fallout that has come with it such as satisfaction theory of Christ's redemptive work as well as the penal substitutionary varying theory of that redemptive work.
You do realize that Augustine himself was not able to read Hebrew or Greek and therefore when he read the Bible in Latin the word concupiscence has a much darker meaning than what is often taught in Eastern Orthodox circles.
Also the idea that sin is a debt came from the Anselmian construct that the wrong committed was an equal measure to the offended status of the sovereign; this belief then makes papists and Protestants anthropomorphize God.
Read James 5:16 and John 20:23. The sacrament of confession/penance is Biblical as shown by those 2 verses.
@@loboman8029believing in Jesus means repenting of sins! Your arguments of Hitler and Stalin making it to heaven makes no sense!
By your logic , if Hilter confesses to a priest before dying will he go to heaven?
No, right? That's the same we believe!!
@@caleschnellAll those who mocked and say words against the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic church will ultimately face the founder on judgment day. How terrible it will be on that day for the unbelievers of His true church.
Raised Catholic. Our church had a priest that was youthful, well-spoken, and very popular. He would ask a question during his (sermon?), and if someone knew the answer, he would say, "Very good! 500 years off purgatory!" Everyone would laugh, but i went home and cried in fear of how long purgatory would be. I later became athiest. I am born again, and it is my personal mission to share the good news of the true gospel to both my sisters, my mother, and my mother-in-law so that they may have the true faith that leads us to being together in eternity with my wife and son. Glory to God in the name of Jesus Christ.
Well, in 1 Peter 3: 19, Jesus went and preached to those in hades, from the time of Noah.
Everything changed after Resurrection, because Christ’s completed mission changed everything.
@@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc Peter was writing after the Resurrection.....see Also 1 Peter 4: 8, ' Love covers a multitude of sins.
Bless you for finding the pure, simple, Biblical truth of Jesus' love and eternal life... and loving others!!! HALELLUJAH!!!❤❤❤
Neil, I understand that the priest's jokes made you uncomfortable, but that doesn't make the doctrine of purgatory untenable, does it? Now that you have left atheism behind, it might be a good idea to revisit what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY teaches. I can assure you that what you may be TOLD about Catholicism (even by some Catholics!) may not always be correct.
Just a Catholic passing by.
WITH MOUTH AGAPE at the stupidity..
@EUCHARISTforLIFE Amen do you think this post was meant charitably??
@EUCHARISTforLIFE Amen but perhaps you are right, I need to stay off sites where people spread nothing but venom for the True Faith, and no I do not rejoice when Catholics disparage other Churches, I never saw much of that growing up, in fact the first time I saw such was when I moved down here to NC and went to a good-ole BIBLE BELIEVING Baptist ceremony...they stood up and slandered and libeled Catholicism at intermission for no reason at all....
@EUCHARISTforLIFE Amen I think you gravely misunderstand, I was not commenting on Aj 's comment but on this entire post...
@EUCHARISTforLIFE Amen thank you , I was able to examine conscience and decided to stay off these sites....fuels the fire...
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you are saved, through faith, and this is not of yourselves. It is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast."
"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" - James 2:20
@@grizmileham7029
IM SO GLAD YOU POSTED THAT cause most people dont understand what Ephesians 2:8 actually means.
They think they have a "Get into heaven free" card.
They dont understand what that SAVED BY GRACE actually means.
@@syriouskash537 what is the meaning of
Eph. 2 : 8 ? you sound like a biblical illiterate Catholic . Gods Grace is his
unmerited love . Eph. 2 : 8 by grace you are saved through faith what is to understand about that , and not of your
self . salvation is by faith in Christ it is a
gift .no of works . what does it say ? Salvation is a free gift . Because of God`s
Grace or love for us sinners he sacrificed his son for our sins . We didn`t do any thing to merit salvation . and you as a biblical ignorant Catholic can`t understand that our salvation is by faith believing on Christ nothing else . it is free for those who believe . ARE YOU SAVED .
@@donaldcooley897 The bible clearly teaches that You are not justified by faith alone. James 2:24.
@@bygone421 Romans 5 : 1 ; Being Justified by
faith we have peace with God through Jesus Christ. ; Act 13 : 39 ; Romans 3 : 24
Titus 3 : 7 ; Roman 5 : 9 ; Gal. 2 : 16 READ ;
If faith in the gospel of Christ and his blood
don`t save you . what Cleanses your soul from sin ? Hebrews 9 : 22 ;
"No one comes to the Father except by me". Thank you Jesus for your death and resurrection. I know I fall short in my life but that I am saved only by your mercy.
@Jacob Posego I thought catholics were saved by baptism and the Church
@@donaldcooley897
1) Romans 6 says, “Don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” This idea that we are made one with Christ through baptism is reiterated by Paul in Colossians 2:12, and in Galatians 3:27 he likens baptism to “being clothed with Christ.”
Baptism is the beginning of an intimate relationship with God, but of course God can save us through Baptism of desire (thief on the cross) or Baptism through martyrdom.
2) of course we are saved by the Church. Jesus is the Church. There is no salvation outside of Jesus.
"And he is the head of the body, the Church [ἐκκλησίας] (Colossians 1:18)."
"I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church [ἐκκλησία] (Colossians 1:24)."
"And I tell you that you are Peter; and on this rock I will build my church [ἐκκλησίαν] (Matthew 16:18)."
" if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church (ἐκκλησία) of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15)."
So Jesus is a disparate person, and not Father/God. *What about "Thou Shalt Not Have Other Gods Before Me" in the Old Testament?* Christianity is idolatrous and contradictory.
@@Ronin-lb5ij each person of the Trinity is distinct, yet mysteriously exist as one divine nature. So Jesus is God, but not God the Father. The Holy Spirit is God, but not God the Son. Jesus declares himself to be God,, John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Also,, Jesus spoke with God the Father, therefore the two would have to be seperate.
Additionally, in order for a god to be GOD, he must be 'All' powerfull. If there were multiple god's, no one god could be all powerful. So, Jesus is either a blasphemer against a non-Trinitarian god, or he is who he claims to be.
@@daddydaycareky You have know idea what you are talking about . Like most Catholic you are ignorant of God word and it`s spiritual meaning . How do you get baptized in to Christ ? Not by water , but by the Holy spirit . 1 Cor . 12 : 13 ; Paul did not say that we are one with Christ by baptism . there is only one way to be in Christ and that is by faith in Christ for salvation and salvation is spiritual to be in Christ is spiritual to be a new person in Christ is by the spirit 2 Cor. 5 : 17 ; If any man be in Christ he is a new Creature . it is all spiritual . Gal. 3 : 27 - 28 we are all one in Christ . Col. 2 : 11 - 12 - 13 ; We have been quicken with Christ or made alive by faith and our sin have been
for given . There is no salvation in any local church made with hands . Christ body is the Church and the only way to get
in to the body is by the Grace of God through faith in Christ . and you become a member by being baptized by the spirit in to the Body the Church 1 Cor 12 : 13 ; Christ is the head Eph. 1 : 22 - 23 ; and he is still building his Church .it is holy and with out spot or blemish . Eph 5 : 27 .
It is a spiritual Church where all saved believers are the Church .You Catholic still think that the Catholic Church which has become a cult . is the body of Christ which
shows how biblical ignorant you all are .
It is like I said the Church which Christ is building is a holy Church with out spot or blemish and all saved believers make up the Church it is a spiritual Church not made with Hands . so salvation is by faith in Christ and his death and resurrection .
The Gospel of Christ .Peter had nothing to do with Matt 16 : 18 Christ says on this rock I will Build ( MY ) Church not on Peter a corrupt man . his Church is spiritual . all saved believers who make up the Church are spiritual . I will address
1 Tim . 3 : 15 ; later
Mike, former Catholic here. Just want to clarify that Mass is not what the sacrament is called. It’s communion, or the Lords Supper, or the Eucharist. Mass means the entire service. A liturgical service with communion is called Mass.
0:54 Faith vs Works/Indulgences.
The 7 Sacraments
3:57 1. Baptism
8:38 2. Penance
16:08 3. Communion/Eucharist
27:41 Eternal Grace vs Grace Little by Little
32:20 4. Confirmation
32:40 5. Matrimony
32:57 6. Holy Orders
37:57 7. Anointing of Sick or Dying
38:25 Purgatory
46:11 Praying For The Dead
48:53 Praying To The Dead/Mary
55:50 Mary's Perpetual Virginity
55:35 Bodily Assumption of Mary
1:00:24 Mary As Mediatrix With Christ
1:04:24 Closing
Except for the Grace bit and the praying to the dead, this is our belief. We believe that Mary and the saints are alive in heaven as seen in Rev. 5: 8, 8:2-3. I believe that grace/talent is given in the womb.........see Psalms 139; and more is given depending on how you use it...........see Matt.25: 14-30.
@@Michael-nb4ng *Seen alive does not mean you can ask them for prayers. Bible does not teach that. Cite me one example of any NT believer who asked passed on Mary or saints to pray for them. Just one. You cant?*
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We believe that Mary and the saints are alive in heaven as seen in Rev. 5: 8, 8:2-3.
@@Michael-nb4ng *You are unseeing. Dont you know Bible teaches all believers are saints. Dont you know canonised saints doctrine is a man made doctrine?*
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We believe that Mary and the saints are alive in heaven as seen in Rev. 5: 8, 8:2-3.
@@Michael-nb4ng *Which part says its Mary? Lol*
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I believe that grace/talent is given in the womb.........see Psalms 139;
@@browncony3897.....ALL believers are not saints; for even the demons believe and tremble........see James 2: 19.
It's amazing how God planted all the refutations of future false doctrine throughout the Bible.
Yes: refuting 16th century Manmade dogmas that Martin Luther and the reformers INVENTED.
Amazing
amen. Every lie has been a lie since the beginning and every things that is true has been true since the beginning.
And an Orthodox or a Catholic can refute everything that was said here. So which one is right? Which one has church history on their side? Which one has the right interpretation? And how would you know? Tell me...
@@orthodoxbox7004 Look at the history of the Catholic church. Does that sound like the history of someone who actually follow Jesus? And look at how they misinterpret the Scriptures. The things they say only make sense if you do look at anything else in the Bible. But more importantly, look at yourself. How can I convince you of something you yourself don't want to believe? Discernment is for anyone who wants it, all you have to do is ask Jesus for it and he will give it to you. But if all you will do is play cat and mouse with the truth, you will be as those who learn and learn yet never attain knowledge of the truth.
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:5For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 2 Timothy 3:6Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:7
I was raised Roman Catholic I stopped going to church but continue to study and read my bible along with learning all about the church its teachings. I wrestle everyday with going back to church. I appreciate the different study tools and works put out by Protestants. I also find myself disagreeing with both the catholic teachings and protestant views. I will continue to read and study the Bible to pray, thank you for this video
My friend, please research the Church history, read some of the great literature of the saints. The Church has a rich history of 2000 years, in-fact, the books of the Bible were compiled by the Catholic Church in 382 AD at the Council of Rome under Pope Damascus I, please look back into the faith and ask God for guidance. God bless you
Just understand what you’re truly giving up if you leave the Church. For those of us who do know the truth in the Eucharist, I can never give that up. God bless you
if you try a protestant church, be careful protestant liberal churches very very very very blasphemic we must be in the end times
I'm a baptist who loves Roman C's
Please find a Traditional Catholic Church near you. Preferably an Sspx chapel where you will learn the true teachings of The Church. Be careful of getting yourself confused by Protestant teachings. Remember for the first 3 to 4 hundred years there was no Christian Bible. It was The Catholics who decided which books were to go into the New Testament. Everything was taught by word of mouth. Once the New Testament was decided upon, there were only a few hand copied Bibles available. It was the priests and monasteries that kept these books and perhaps some of the very wealthy who owned bibles. Very few people could read and write and it was only when the printing press came into being that bibles became more available. Then Martin Luther came onto the scene and removed several books which didn't agree with his new doctrines. Since then there have been many, many interpretations to the bible, subtly changing the original teachings. Do yourself a favor. Order "Where we got The Bible" written by RT. Rev. Henry G. Graham published by TAN books. ISBN 978-0-89555-796-4. Do not believe all the lies that the Protestants spew out. Jesus only started One Church. How many Christian churches are there today? Over 40 000. They all teach something different! They cannot all be right. The Catholic Church is going through a terrible time presently but Christ assured us that Satan would never prevail. That is why I tell you to seek out a Tradition Catholic Church where you will be taught the true teachings passed from Jesus, to Peter and down from every Pope until Pope Pius Xll, after which we had the Second Vatican Council which has subtly tried to change church teaching, without anyone noticing, thus leading The Catholic Church into Apostacy. Since then the enemy has gained power over the hierarchy. Our Lady of Fatima assured us that Her Immaculate Heart would Triumph in the end. The Virgin Mary always leads you to her son. She is never worshiped, but honoured. At Fatima The Virgin said " That God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart." To prove that the Apparitions of Fatima were real, God performed a miracle of Biblical proportions. On the 13 October, 1917, 70000 people witnessed the Sun leaving its orbit. It gyrated made circles in the sky, gave off many different colours, it plummeted to the earth. It did things that only God could do. Satan does not have the power to change the laws of Nature. Only God has those powers. God wants us to honour Jesus's mother.
God bless and go back to your faith. (The precious pearl.) There is no other way for you to save your soul. You need the 7 sacraments, you need Christs Church. You cannot save your soul alone.
Amazing video, brother. God bless.
I think one of the main hang-ups with Catholics is they get way too tribalistic when it comes to the Catholic church. It's kinda like rabid sports fans that will defend "their" team and act as if "their" team is the best there is, even if they lose every game they play.
One of the biggest red flags is when they claim that the Catholic church is "the one true church". The church is not what's important. Jesus Christ and His teaching are what's important. The church of Jesus Christ is not a physical one of goliath worldly riches and power. It's a church of the spirit, uniting all believers.
yes :)
John 4:23-24 (NIV):
"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."
Amen well said! God bless you ✝️
Utter nonsense are your claims it is shocking to see how adults are so blind to truth scripture and history The Undeniable fact backed by Scripture and History is that the Catholic Church is the one founded by Christ Telling bigots to simply research what I have stated is a waste of time Some see and grasp the chance to break Satan's grip on them and become Catholic but the majority are content to wallow in the mud pool of ignorance
Ya man I think Jesus was just joking when he spoke to Peter about a rock
@@Sentinal6405 the rock is the faith in Jezus and revelation he is God.
Wow so well done so so true Even Mary said in the Bible dnt come to me go to My Son she knew He was the savior of the world. Brother Mike winger never heard it said and done so perfect totally true all scripture to prove against their theology ..Brother bring more of the Bible in what wrong is going on in this world 🌎 on many issues that need the scripture to back it up I sent and will send your video to others I did one to my son hour teaching is bibicaly based. Holy scriptures
I would love to see you debate Trent horn, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples, or Scott Hahn.
Jon Howerton he would have no chance against them, even Steve Ray another former protestant knows his stuff
John Howerton I agree. Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin were two of the Catholic apologists who helped me become Catholic - after 35+ years as a protestant. I was indoctrinated with all that anti-catholic misinformation and just accepted it without question. When I started listening to Catholics, explaining what the church actually teaches, it was mind blowing.
Chris Mole that’s right and if you study church history there were no early protestants all the church Fathers were Catholic and for more then 1500 years there was just the one Church. The word catholic actually means universal and was the church Christ himself established, the Protestant faith was established by Luther a former catholic priest
@@georgeibrahim7945 oh yeah steve Ray is great. I just watched a video about him debating a protestant in a book store. it was very good.
@@chrismole1315 Yeah im currently protestant. But I cant deny john 6:41-59 is the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. I just called the phoenix diocese and looking to start RCIA this Weekend. I was baptized catholic but was mislead by protestant misrepresentations. So I'm excited to come back home.
First of all, as a Catholic, I want to recognize you as a faithful brother in Christ. We both believe in the deity, antoning death, and resurrection of our Lord. That's what makes us Christian. I want to try to clear up the idea of "works." Of course, St. James said that faith without works is dead. What this means is that your good works are REFLECTION of your salvation, not the CAUSE of it. So, are good works important? You bet they are. We are known by the fruits we produce. A good tree produces good fruits. But to be clear, as a Catholic, I know our good works alone will not redeem us. Now, go spend your time spreading the Gospel, doing good works, and not running down your fellow Christians. God go with you.
2 different religions ----- a wafer can't become the biblical Jesus
I am a protestant and I agree with you with this metaphor:
"I am the vine you are the branch (you become the branch when you are saved) any branch (saved) who does not produce fruit (evangelism, applying the word in your life, winning souls, etc) will wither away and be cut off and thrown to the fire".
Let me ask you this, do you believe purgatory is a real place?
In my language there's the idea of "good deeds" - I was wondering if it was the same as "works". From the quote of St. James, probably so. The confusion of are "works" needed for salvation might come because simply doing good deeds won't make you believe Christ, but if you believe in Christ, you should feel the urge to do good deeds. If one says, they believe in Christ, and do no "works", because the faith is all they need for salvation - it's a good spot for them to look inside themselfs ang ask if they reeeealy believe.
And as a confirmation for St. Jacobs words, there's also Matthew 25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Amen
@AndrewLane-pm2ro *If Roman religion is really the Church of the Bible or the "one true church". Then why are 95% of RC doctrines and RC clergies not in the Bible? Mind boggling ... Lol*
*nt Church of the Bible did not have Roman pontiff neither Roman priests, neither did Apostles pray to dead saints or Mary, neither did Apostles and Jesus make statues for Mary and saint .. Neither bow down to statues .. Neither Roman unholy water, neither sinless Mary, neither veneration of skulls bones tongues ... So where are all these man made doctrines of Rome in the Bible? Neither all the below man made doctrines! Wonder where they come from?*
*There was never a Catholic Church in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Catholic Church in the Bible.*
*There was never a Catholic in the Bible.*
*There was never a Roman Catholic in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church pope in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church priest in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church cardinal in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church sinless Mary in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church unholy water in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church penance in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church purgatory in the Bible.*
*There was never a R Church canonised saint in the Bible.*
*There was never an Nt believer who made or bow down to statues in the Bible.*
*There was never an Nt believer who prays or received prayers from passed saints or Mary in the Bible.*
*There was never an ecumenical council with bishops of all churches that decided the canon in history*
*If you can find one example in the New Testament I will give you a lollipop.*
*nt church of the Apostles did not have such practices. Answer me: did apostles make and bow down to statues? Did Apostles ask passed on saints to pray for them? Or sprinkle "holy" water on believers? Or wore fishhead hat and costumes? Or cite hocus pocus when they serve the communion? They merely broke bread and passed around the table. Did they demand believers to kneel in front of them to serve them communion? Or did Peter ask believers to kiss his hands and feet? Or did Apostles venerate statues, bones or relics?*
*You do see clearly it all came from practices of believers after the Apostles - which Rcs claimed its from early writings. They had already deviated from the Apostles and Jesus. What Rcc called doctrines were merely partly traditions of errant believers + partly its own self traditions. Totally not from Jesus and Apostles at all.*
I would like to see a dialogue with mr. Winger and a catholic. One side conversations always seem right.
It'd be great if it was Steve Ray, Brante Pitre or John Martignoni. Love their videos got some of each in my Understanding the Scriptures playlist
Peter, the Rock, the Keys, and the Chair - Steve Ray ua-cam.com/video/faIB-sOBDKk/v-deo.html
The Word of God is always right. but you must be born of God to understand the things of God. it's hard to let go of a blanket that's been your comfort for so long.
@@fogstreet108 As Catholics, we do agree that the Word of God is indeed the truth. However, people have their own interpretations of the Word of God, and as such have contradicting views. You need to know what Jesus and the Apostles meant by what they said in the Bible, then you'll see what the truth is in the Word of God. It's no efficient enough learning the Word of God by yourself. Jesus appointed people to carry on His teaching, and these people themselves appointed other people to pass on the teachings/traditions that they've taught. Find that truth that is passed down from generation to generation, then you can truly say that the Word of God is indeed always right. Because we know for sure that these apostles are indeed born of God, and trusted people to pass down the teachings, which would also mean they are born of God who understand the things of God. God Bless.
@@PVCGunita I know more about the organization that has snared your soul than you probably ever will. and btw I am one of "those people" that God has appointed to teach others in His Body!!! (Eph 4:11). but like you said, your a catholic.
@@fogstreet108 Well if you say that you are, then please use it wisely and evangelize right. Teach others about who Jesus is, but don't condemn or mock the Church that Jesus established (and I can rightfully say that so), especially when you perceive it with numerous misconceptions.
As you quote Ephesians, indeed everyone are included in this priesthood. If we are truly Christian, we are indeed in this priesthood. Evangelize for unity, not division. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Don't mock the Church that does that (not even giving an example, even just one, which makes your statement foolish and nonsensical), evangelization, unity, charity, and faith in Jesus Christ. It's indeed God's grace that gave us these gifts. It's not primarily our faith that gave us these gifts, but rather God's grace. However, there is also a physical church that holds the real deposit of faith that Jesus and the Apostles left for the world. The Bible isn't the only deposit of faith, nor is it the sole protector of truth. The protector of truth is the "organization" that you are talking about.
Instead of mocking us with misconceptions, or belittling us, focus more on yourself and how you, a Christian, can spread the Gospel through faith, hope, and charity. Clearly, everyone of us, including you, need much learning and prayers. I'll be praying for you, as I hope you pray for me too.
For by the works of the law shall NO flesh be justified. That’s why Jesus came to fulfill the law and by His forgiveness we r saved.
So many questions have just been answered. Thanks be to our Father Son and Holy Spirit
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible. It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." *Mark Twain*
@@AtamMardes Repent!
I’m thankful to God that your questions are answered. I created this for people who can’t see the truth.
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I’m sorry for anyone who has been affected by the leadership of the Roman Catholic church. Please study God’s word for yourself. When you learn the truth, you will understand that Peter is not the Rock. Christ is the Rock *1 Corinthians 3:11.* Please study.
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The Rock of the church is spiritual, not physical. There is only one Rock.
. *1 Corinthians 10:4* and all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
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• Adding doctrines is apostasy and it’s forbidden. *Deuteronomy 4:2,* *Galatians 1:6-7*
*Mark 7:7*
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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• There aren’t any officiating new covenant priests. We have a new ministry in the new covenant. *Ephesians 4:11*
• God does not show favoritism *Romans 2:11* -- there is no evidence in the scriptures that the church was built on a human. We do not have a human pope to guide us. We are led by the Spirit. *Acts 1:5*
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• The scriptures show no differences in the apostles.
****Equality amongst the apostles****
“Ye are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. *Ephesians 2:20*
“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” *Revelation 21:14*
• Peter was no different than the others.
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• Mary nor the saints can hear prayers. There’s only one mediator in heaven between God & Man.
*1 Timothy 2:5* For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
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• All Christians are saints.
*Philippians 1:1* Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
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• All Christians are priests. We are living stones being built in a spiritual house on a spiritual Rock. You can approach God fit forgiveness yourself.
*1 Peter 2:5* Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
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• The doctrine of original sin is not biblical or found in the scriptures at all.
*Ezekiel 18:20* The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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• Every Christian is supposed to study and read the Bible for themselves. *Acts 17:11*
*Ephesians 3:4* As you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ.
*Psalm 119:15* I will study your commandments and reflect on your ways.
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• In order to receive salvation, we must all repent and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. We need no Eucharist, no veneration of Mary, no long list of good works, no baptism regeneration, no sacrament of reconciliation, no rosary, no pope, no papacy, no belief in Peter as the Rock *1 Corinthians 3:11,* no man-made doctrine, no priests, no infallible magisterium, no Vatican, no communion of saints, no catechisms, no Marian dogmas, no transubstantiation, but only by faith through grace are we saved.
*Ephesians 2:8* "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast".
@@redbird9000 I’m a current Protestant heavily considering joining the Catholic Church. I believe after actually reading the Word of God, it points to Catholicism and their doctrine MUCH more than any Protestant theology. Reading about the salvific power of Holy Baptism was the initial turning point, and then justification, the Eucharist, Church Fathers, history, etc made me realize I need to convert. God’s divine revelation was revealed through word of mouth and tradition, not just the Bible. Sola Scriptura cannot be true. Even though the Bible is inerrant. And I used to despise Roman Catholics. But I simply did not understand what they actually believed. Truly understanding their theology is leading me to them. And I thank God for opening my eyes to the truth. There is rich history and knowledge there.
@@JO-ji4bb What research led you to believe that omnipresent humans are assumed into heaven and hear our prayers?
- What research showed you that Peter was any different than the other disciples?
- When did Jesus say it’s ok to issue a papal decree?
- When did Jesus say Apostolic succession was his will?
- When did Jesus say that transubstantiation was in remembrance of him?
I thank God for the technology. that teachings and information like this can reach out to everyone; that we can be awaken from the wrong teachings that we grew up to. you have touched the sacraments that, all my life, I thought I needed in order to be saved. thank you for the very clear explanation of each.
Amen exactly what James is saying. Works are a proof of salvation, not to gain salvation for by works is no one justified. Are u born again
*Yes indeed. Only church of satan preaches Works Salvation.*
@@jediv9492..........Then........there are the sheep in Matt. 25: 31-46, who ' worked ' their way into heaven when they fed/clothed/housed/comforted Jesus via the ' least of these.' And they didn't even know Jesus, " When did we feed/clothe/house/comfort you ? ' they asked. Re-consider.
@@miketeixeira7853 *Mat 25 was Jesus' answer to the questions asked by the disciples in Mat 24. Book of Matthew addresses Jews under Mosaic Law. There was NOT a single church yet. WHy would Jesus be addressing Gentile Christians?*
YOU:
..........Then........there are the sheep in Matt. 25: 31-46, who ' worked ' their way into heaven when they fed/clothed/housed/comforted Jesus via the ' least of these.' And they didn't even know Jesus, " When did we feed/clothe/house/comfort you ? ' they asked. Re-consider.
@@jediv3381.........Then dis-regard Matt. 25: 31-46. Blessings !!!
@@miketeixeira7853 *Yes roman cultists are fond of misquoting Mat 25. LOLOL*
YOU:
.......Then dis-regard Matt. 25: 31-46. Blessings !!!
Mike, before you teach on the catechism of the Catholic church you should probably read it first.
perhaps look at his other videos, he has clearly done his research
@@doright9681 do you mean to say that he's read the catechism of the Catholic Church since? Because in this video he is clearly ignorant of the catechism.
Confirmation revealed to me the spiritual gifts of piety and courage. The Holy Spirit helps me have living piety through worship and courage for spirituality in action.
Oh dear, what a pitiful way to live your life...you do realise that there are other human beings inhabiting this earth who do not share your views, such as me, convince me, if you dare, that I am wrong...
The holy what? Please provide evidence for this holy spook who seems to hang around doing nothing in particular, he is, as a part of the 'Holy Trinity' a bit of a mystery, just what is his job exactly? And is he paid the same wage as the other two? Just asking...
What?!?
@@billleyland128:you and I BOTH are doomed to burn except for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and NOT of our own authority!...EVERYTHING is predicated on our acceptance of Jesus Christ and that INCLUDES Popes!👿
@@jrooksable Oh dear, poor me, I am doomed, is the good lord, after I have lived a good life, and because he did not provide me with enough evidence to confirm his existence for my agile brain to accept [which was fertile enough to gain a doctorate in Microbiology] going to send me down to his best friend, his loyal henchman, his torturer, his second in command, Lucifer and have me tortured for all eternity? Well done God, and Jesus, [who is really himself pretending to be his own son] and that whispy thing that flies about doing nothing in particular known as the holy ghost. Please, give me one single shred of evidence to validate your claims which I can present to the Nobel Prize Committee and we can both retire and bask in the glory of the greatest humans who ever lived???
@truecatholic8692 *You are adding to God's Word. The plagues of Rev 22:18-19 is added on you.*
*You cannot differentiate between God's Word and your own words:*
- God's Word - Mat 16 says Jesus built His Church, gave Peter the keys ... John 20 Apostles could forgive sins.
- Your own words - Peter was pope (bishop of bishops), Bible does not say so. John 20 does not say Roman religion inherited the authority of Peter or Apostles to forgive sin. So it's your own self claims. Bible does not say so.
you said
It's in the bible, Matthew 16:18-19. Jesus is building his church upon Peter, and first pope, gave him the keys to heaven and the authority to forgive sins in God's name. I'm guessing you've been told the lie that Catholics don't read the bible. BTW, the bible came from the Catholic Church.
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest anyone should boast”
L Footie So you believe in what Calvin taught which is basically that some people go to heaven and others go to hell and are predestined before they are even born. Because if it is by God’s doing alone there is nothing humans can do to get to heaven. So whether they believe in Jesus and never do anything else the rest of their lives that is it a ticket to heaven. So no matter how bad or good you are it will not effect your salvation and that nature and grace do not work together. Because if they do not work together this is basically saying that every thing both good and bad is ultimately in God’s hands even your ability to believe. So this means that free will on the human side is null and void. But Calvinism says this very thing by it’s theology nature and grace do not work together because everything depends on God and nothing on the human side. So there is no free will.
FaithHopeGrace The Catholic Churches official teachings say there is a hell. As we both know there are certain clergy that do not always abide by the teachings of their denominations. Just know that as a child of God I am bound by two great commandments that Christ taught love God with your whole heart and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. This Jesus says it what is necessary. As a sister in Christ I do not really wish to quibble with fellow Christian. My main concern is to get the truth out there on what Catholicism really teaches not the false innuendos put out by non Catholics who do not know the teachings of the church that is my main point. One for instance is we do not worship saints it is forbidden. We are forbidden to worship Mary because worship is due to God alone, we honor the mother of Jesus but not worship. So many people get it wrong. If you want to really know the official stance on the Catholic Church please read an official Cathechism of the Church. This will clarify any misconceptions there are in the teachings. Just as some Protestants do infant baptism others do not. I do not lump all Protestants into the same group. Yes there are married Catholic priests the western rite does not allow it but the Eastern rite does. Just a small example of one of the misconceptions among many others. May God richly bless you.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
FaithHopeGrace Thank you for elaborating on this most mysterious teaching of the elect. Of course in a “ sense” there is a what I would call a quasi predestination because God knows all things so this is divine mystery indeed. Just as explaining the holy trinity if you can explain you do not really know it again a divine mystery. It has been most pleasing to converse a little bit of theology with you. May we meet in eternity and May our Lord grant you peace 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😇
@@serena1785 Ah yes, this verse totally means that the guy saying it is a Calvinist. With that logic either you're a Calvinist or you don't read the Word
@@serena1785
No god saved you by his grace
You don’t earn it
Your not saved
Not born again
How sad
Find a good church and learn
Who’s sins you forgive they are forgiven who sins you retain they are retained John20:23
This passage deals with the apostolic office. Parallel passages in Matthew suggest the same thing (Mt 16:19; 18:18). This was a special function the apostles had between the resurrection and ascension of Christ.
23 If you forgive the sins of any [of any class],
Jesus did not give the apostles the inherent right to forgive sins but the privilege to convey the message of forgiveness. Ministers of the gospel cannot forgive sins but simply proclaim how sins are forgiven.
The word “any” indicates that the sins forgiven are forgiven to a class of people, not to individuals (Lu 24:46-48).
they [the sins] are forgiven them;
The words “are forgiven” indicate that this is an event that had already taken place by God (passive voice). The apostles could proclaim sins previously forgiven.
if you retain the sins of any, they [the sins] are retained.”
The words “are retained” indicate that this is an event that had already taken place by God (passive voice, perfect tense). Sins previously committed have been retained.
Both “forgiven” and “retained” are in the passive voice in the Greek, which means that it is God who forgives and retains. God alone forgives sin (Mk 2:3-12; Lu 5:17-26). The Greek tenses (periphrastic future perfects) indicate that forgiveness was already resolved by the death of Christ on the cross. The right of the apostles to forgive or retain depends on the previous forgiveness by God. All that remains is to proclaim that Christ paid for our sins. We could translate the phrases this way: “Those sins you forgive have already been forgiven…those sins you do not forgive have not been forgiven.” In other words, forgiveness is dependent on God’s forgiveness.
The issue of forgiveness and retention of sins is related to the binding and loosing of Matthew 16:18; 18:18.
Say that this interpretation is correct, how is this different from what is done in the Church?
Of course all good comes from the Lord God Almighty.
@@christianartists9185 Because the Church is run by man. We are wretches in the face of God, arrogant man.
@@landonbudke1941
Good day.
I'd like to know your opinion,
Since the Lord has already "forgiven" and/or "retained" our sins, is it important, scriptural or optional that we say "I'm Sorry" to the Lord and those we wrong.
Thanks
@@canabiss8297
It's impossible to protect God from His own will.
I think we might be by far less than wretches. Still, The Lord willed out of love to save and redeem man. He handed the keys to His completed Church to man. The church which He Himself began building long ago.
The Non levite who reached for the Covenant box.
The King who refused a sign from the Lord.
St John the Baptist's reluctance to baptize the Lord Jesus.
St Peter trying to dissuade the Lord Jesus.
These are examples showing that we're not the ones to make the laws. It does not depend on how wretched we are nor whether or not we like it.
What matters is to obey the Lord's commands (John 14:15).
Obedience is better than sacrifice (1Sam15 :22).
Never watched you or heard of you before today. Thank you for this teaching. Im going to add you to my list of go-to preachers..... ✝
@@timhadaway9093An amazing.... liar.
John 6:53 - "for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink"
John 6 CANNOT make the covenant deal any clearer.
How many times does Jesus have to tell you, "my body is food and my blood is drink" before you get the point?
Even his own disciples go on to say "this is a hard teaching who can accept it?"
To which Jesus responds, "Does this offend you?"
Here, CLEARLY, you can see Mike Winger getting offended by the very idea.
YET
Jesus goes on to say, "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing!"
Clearly, this means it means nothing to him that you eat his flesh, for the Spirit is the thing giving life.
This is Jesus own words.
@@timhadaway9093 Catholics don't "worship communion" and we don't "worship Mary".
Either Mike is deliberately being misleading or he's egregiously misinformed.
edit: the one thing the Catholic and orthodox church has over other churches is that whoever is actually doing the communion has to have received the Holy Spirit in order for it to actually work.
If the lineage of Holy Spirit receivers is broken at some point for whatever reason the whole thing fails.
Also if you haven't received the Holy Spirit yet partake in communion, Jesus says that's a no.
Given that Mike has gone to lengths to discard the idea of Baptism of water there is a good chance that a whole bunch of people who think they were baptised actually haven't been.
Jesus is real, not symbolic. Everything we do as Catholics replaces older rituals from before Jesus, except we replace the worldly with otherworldly.
And for this we are crucified, even by other Christians.
@@adifferentangle7064- Yeshua was alive & “RECLINING [resting, leaning, supporting himself]” (Matt. 26:20; Mk. 14:18; etc.) in the sight of the Apostles when he gave them the bread and the wine & said: *"this [represents] my body"* and *"this [represents] my blood of the New Covenant" (Matt. 26:26-28).* Sometimes we have to add words in the translation for clarity. I realize the text literally says *"this IS my body"* and *"this IS my blood;"* however, this type of speech by Yeshua is seen elsewhere in the New Testament: - *'But he [Yeshua] answered and said to them: "That one who sows the good seed IS the Son of Man and the field IS the world. Also, the good seeds ARE the children of the kingdom, and the tares ARE the children of the wicked one. Additionally, the enemy who sowed them IS the Satan, and the harvest IS the end of the WORLD (age). Also, the reapers ARE the angels." ' (Matt. 13:37-39 P'shitta).* Etc., etc.
The bread & wine doesn't magically turn into the body & blood of Yeshua. That's why the wafer & wine taste normal. Yeshua spoke in parables (Matt. 13:34-35). Christians aren't cannibals. Transubstantiation is a heresy of the Catholic Church.
It is disrespectful for the Catholic Church to not let the Protestant friends receive the Communion. They do not have any right to determine who is worthy or not or who is a true Christian or not.
@@adifferentangle7064 Respectfully, You sound like you are a Catholic and im glad you are here....Asking your opinion: for a 'LIVE' person to pray for you or someone else is biblical, but! you can not seek the dead for that. That is communicating with the dead, called in the Bible Necromancy: The practice of communication with the dead. The bible considers it as “Sorcery” as with King Saul asking the Witch of Endor to bring back a deceased Samuel the Prophet... Mother Mary was obviously a great woman but she and the rest of the dead "have no more reward under the sun" (earth) as the Bible puts it. I find that in 1854 it was decided that mother Mary was immaculately conceived. You talk about who decides this or that and I say a great Holy and all powerful God gave us a road map to heaven written in the old and new testaments and when we add to it or take away from it we are no longer following Gods original plan. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.... Please be kind with your response (if any) so we remain good Christians who believe; John 3:16✝
@@adifferentangle7064 You say: "If the lineage of Holy Spirit receivers is broken at some point for whatever reason the whole thing fails" QUESTION: Where is the Biblical scripture for this...
Unlike Protestants, Catholics don’t believe that the Word is the sole guide and authority of God. They believe in their own authority (the RCC’s authority). They think that there are teachings that Jesus did not fully clarify in the Bible and that Him giving the authority to Peter means that they can add onto the gospel as they wish. We need a different approach when speaking to Catholics about where their faith lies, just quoting scripture may not cut it. Their allegiance is with the Catholic Church, the pope, the sacraments, the saints, not Christ alone and His Word, which He became as stated in John 1:1.
And this is where the Holy Spirit comes in!! John 16:13 says “When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard.” The Holy Spirit is the most misunderstood person of the Trinity. God says His Spirit will guide us into all truth. This happens in the secret place, in dwelling with His Spirit, through praying without ceasing. Not through some pope making up the rules. The Spirit guides us through uncharted territories based on what He has heard from the Father.
True.....see John 21: 25.
@@AnnTeixeira-v3l *Many things not recorded does not prove "Roman pagans can invent whatever you want".*
you said
True.....see John 21: 25.
Man you really did not get the doctrines of Catholicism from a catholic did you?
LOL most catholics don't even know what the doctrine of catholicism is.
You can read them in the catechism for yourself - if it contradicts what Jesus said then it should be discarded as false teaching.
Catholic are heretics that twist the word
Literally read the catechism. I was catholic for 30 years. Until I really sat down and read that catechism. I had no clue what was actually in there.
@@linzalabamaawake5230 u mean man made documents
This was the best version of this information I’ve ever heard and I thank you for freeing me from this nonsense I really appreciate it. ✝️JESUS SAVES✝️
🦋 Baptism by the Holy Spirit is life changing.🦋
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible. It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." *Mark Twain*
Amen! Praise Jesus! 🩷✝
@@kgebhardt1187 Simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
Who gives a crap what Mark Twain thought about Christianity! N
@@tomthomas664 lol... well said.
@patriceagulu8315 *Hilarious claims. Why don't you follow your father Roman pope? Was he not the saviour of all believers?*
*Afterall Roman religion teaches "submit to Roman popes to be saved".*
you said
Why you do not follow your father luther
Was he not the savior of the church
Marriage is a consecrated life of God, my husband and myself.
Yes, it's a sacrament in the order of creation.
Yes. I'm married too, such a blessing.
The catholic’s use philosophy and theology when interpreting the bible look at Scott Hanns testimony Michael Cumbie and Steve rays testimony look at the early church fathers trained by the apostolic the apostolic fathers. They were CATHOLIC Baptism is the new birth watch the Journey Home Marcus Grodie Evangelicals who became Catholics I was a baptist for twenty years I converted to Catholic’s 26years ago the bible teaches the pillar of truth is the church
Caroline Norman - very concise and poignant post. ( and spot on). Keep fighting the good fight and so happy Christ led you into His Church
C/NORMAN----I notice that those that become Catholic are the ones that know and love the bible. The ones that leave the church obviously didn't know the faith. They now pretend that the anti-Catholic stuff they are now learning, from their new friends, is what the Catholic church is ! Good luck to you !
Jesus founded the Church! Constantine founded the Roman Catholic Church which preaches a "different Gospel", than that which was preached by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
52montoya -- everything you posted is false. Grade= F. EXAMINE YOUR CONSCIENCE, learn history then repost
@@52montoya You might find a history book helpful. We know the Catholics were being persecuted in Rome in 64 AD. Nero blamed them for the great fire. Constantine made
All religions legal in the empire ! History also tells us that 31 Popes were put to death by the Roman emperors ! ! ! Getting your info from anti-Catholic sources is not smart.
Was it Paul that wrote "to all the faithful in Rome" ? I have forgotten. For facts Google: "Catholic Answers" ask questions and see if what you have been told is true. They are
going to tell you exactly what the church teaches. You may find, as so many Protestants have found, that endless lies are told daily about the only 2000 year old church. G/LK !
Faith without works is dead.
That's so true. But the works are not a part of salvation, instead it is the fruit you bear to mark your salvation. It's just like prosthelatizing. We are called by God to go into all the world, preaching the gospel, making disciples. Praying for the sick so they may recover, caring for widows and orphans, visiting those in prison, are all what we are called to do to show and share the Love of God.
Faith without LOVE is dead. If the works are not works of love (agape) they are fruitless.
Craig Martin “FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD”
Works are the fruit of faith,not a requirement.
If you claim that you cannot be saved by faith alone,and need works ,you are saying the cross is not enough
For salvation.
EPHESIANS 2:8+9,”FOR YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH AND NOT OF ANYTHING YOU DO,
IT IS A GIFT OF GOD AND NOT OF YOURSELVES LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BRAG”
If you claim that you are saved and do not spread the GOSPEL OF SALVATION,you are just fooling yourself.
Read MATT. 25:14-30.and understand it from the bible.
Khrotso Koza EPHESIANS 2:8+9,”FOR WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH AND NOT OF YOURSELVES,IT IS A GIFT OF GOD AND NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST”
here is the amazing part JESUS even has to give us the faith to gat saved,we have absolutely nothing to do with
Our salvation.
GAL.2:16,”KNOWING THAT MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW,BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST”it is a gift to us from a GOD that loves us so much HE even holds our hand and brings us to HIM.
Khrotso Koza EPHESIANS 1:4+5:”ACCORDING AS HE AS CHOSEN US FROM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,TO BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME BEFORE HIM IN LOVE,HAVING PREDESTINATED US UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST TO HIMSELF,ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL”
We have absolutely nothing to do with our own salvation.
@peytonlacy7203 *Since when Sola Scriptura ever said "Bible is the only authority"? Where did you get all these ns from? Lol*
*Sola Scriptura merely says in laymen terms "doctrines are taken from Scriptures only". That's what Jesus and Apostles did. And yes, it does prove Sola Scriptura.*
you said
again doesn’t prove sola scriptura, show me explicitly or inductively where the Bible would say that it is the only authority,
It is an authority I do not disagree with you just not the only one
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart. I’ve been struggling for some time with Catholicism / Sola Scriptura. I was just set free completely after this. I cannot thank you enough. God bless you! Love from Brazil
*God bless!*
@@browncony3897 amen! Backatcha! 🙏🏻💜
But the Protestant bible has taken scripture out...
Fast and pray 🙏
@@KH-vp4ni *You sound dull. Roman cult added 7 books. Original Hebrew OT did not have Apo 7 books. So why would there be 73 books?*
@@browncony3897 instantly insult me, so brotherly and loving. I'll pray for you!
The early church father's felt they were important and they knew Jesus. The Bible wouldn't have been scribed if not for Catholic monks.
Q: I just need Jesus, I don't need Theology
A: so who is this Jesus?
Q: He is God Incarnate, who came to save mankind from sin, and....
A: YOU'RE DOING THEOLOGY
Beautiful cerimonies,won't save no one.God will ,ask him in Jesus name.
@@veritasmuy2407 you realize this is not even traditional Christianity, what you are saying this is the heresy of Arianism...look up the Council of Nicea and the battles of the great St. Athanasius...Jesus said, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM...no clearer statement of His Divinity
@@veritasmuy2407 you are Jehovah's Witness right? this is a heresy brother, look up the Council of Nicea, this was resolved long ago, you are bringing up old heresies
@@veritasmuy2407 This simply does not follow the Greek, either
@@veritasmuy2407 Mr Winger above, who isn't right on much, would consider you in heresy on all this. and he is right there
James 2:24 " We see then that a man is justified by works and *NOT* by faith alone. The only time you see faith alone in the whole Bible the words NOT BY are right in front of it .
Faith Alone means faith on Christ alone not a mere assent.
Faith alone justifies, but only the kind of faith that inevitably produces good works. Such good works aren’t the BASIS of justification; indeed, they CAN'T be, for ONE sin makes you a lawbreaker (Jas. 2:10-11). Good works can’t function as the foundation of our justification because God demands PERFECTION, and even after we are converted we continue to sin.
James, in fact, says this very thing in the next passage after discussing justification by works: “We all stumble in MANY ways” (3:2). The word “stumble” means “sin,” as the parallel text in James 2:10 shows. Every one of us without exception-including James (“we all”)-continue to sin.
Is he saying we sin only occasionally? Absolutely not. He says we all sin “in many ways.” We don’t just sin in a few ways, but in MANY. Since sin continues to characterize the lives of believers in remarkable ways, and since God demands PERFECTION, works that justify CAN'T form theBASIS of our justification.
Certainly good works are necessary, for without them we will not be justified, but we have seen that they aren’t the necessary basis or foundation.
The best solution is to say they are the RESULT and fruit of faith. True faith expresses it in works. Paul actually says the same thing, teaching what ultimately matters is “faith expressing itself through love” (Gal. 5:6, NIV).
The concept isn’t hard to understand. If I said the room you were in was about to blow up in one minute, and you believed me, desired to live, and were physically able to leave, you'd hurry to exit. True faith would lead to works! Leaving the room would be the result of your faith. So it’s right to say, as the Reformers did, that we are justified by faith alone, but that true faith is never alone. I would suggest James is teaching this very idea.
It isn’t as if our works save or justify in the sense that they QUALIFY us to enter God’s presence-as if our virtue wins us God’s favor on the last day. James teaches that there is an organic relationship between genuine faith and works. If we truly trust Christ, that trust shows up in how we live. Works evidence our faith.
@@walkingeverywhere4k831 You're very close. Yes, works follow faith. What justifies is what we believe on. The content of faith is the Lord Jesus and His work.
Saving faith has three components (Faith Alone is many times misinterpreted as mere assent) - True Knowledge, Assent, and Trust. The trusting bit is holding on to Christ. He alone gives us confidence. We can have none in ourselves.
Justification and Sanctification are separate in that only Christ justifies, but sanctification is where we work out that faith. It is the school of Christ, but only the Lord can justify us.
Thank you.
Unfortunately, Catholicism promotes a FALSE GOSPEL!!!!
This is the Gospel of the REAL JESUS:
Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again on the third day. He shed His blood on the cross for you. Your part is to Repent of your sins and Trust in Him. BUT, you MUST Trust in the right Jesus! Otherwise you haven't Truly Repented! Are you trusting in the Jesus of the Bible? If not, then you are still in your sins! You are STILL GUILTY of IDOLATRY!! And, in this situation, you will be cast in the LAKE OF FIRE, for ALL ETERNITY!!! Repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today and God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! Accept it today!!! Tomorrow maybe too late!!
"Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
Sorry Catholics, Mary can't hear a thing your praying to her. Nor can she do a thing as she was an ordinary sinful human, the same as the rest of us. She had the same godly power as Ruth. None.
this idea of faith and works is a typical Protestant theory. They believe that you are save only by faith, and that good works don't count! In other words, you can spit on your neighbor and be as mean as you want, but if you have faith, you are saved. Ask this screwball about the "good Samaritan" in the bible who stopped to help the man on the side of the road. Or the passage in the bible that says if you have no charity, you are empty, a clanging bell, etc.. "These 3, faith, hope and charity. But the greatest is charity" This guy is full of it1
@@brycedavis1433 SPOT ON....GOD BLESS...🤜🤛
the cath church doesn't teach salvation by works.
Absolutely. also "any man out of any nations who works righteousness is acceptable to Him"
Esp the Calvinists. . . . Jesus commands us to keep his commandments. What is bizarre is that they hamstring the conversation by talking about works and faith as though they are two separate things. That would make faith dead. Living faith, which is what faith is supposed to be, is faith that has works. Like a body has breath making it living. They reduce faith to an abstract idea. They say accept Christ but can't describe what it means to accept. They are incoherent. . . Straw man is right. As to what you said about graces.... they treat graces as though they were burdens. Graces were how the Christian faith was spread during the early centuries. There were no Gideon Bible people distributing Bibles throughout the lands. Even a reasoning person with no religious belief can see this merely by a study of history. Cause must precede effect. Not the other way around. The Bible came through the church.
Jesus Represents the good Samaritan
It is sad to me that some people on here can't have a discussion without putting each other down and calling someone stupid. Not very nice. I know God, for sure, wouldn't like that. Love thy neighbor. It's hard sometimes, but we all need to try harder. Love and Peace be with you all, in the name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Very nice point of view but I will never follow evil popes and pray to mother goddesses like Mary Fatima and Guadeloupe
If you have a good look at the title of the video itself I think it sets the tone and opens up the discussion to go no other way .
@@conlaiarla
The Catholic Church is a false pagan religion
The god of this world Satan is worshiped by the pope and the Vatican.
You are spiritually blinded and can’t see
I was Catholic 30 years until I got saved at a revival I figured Catholic Church was a good institution
When I got saved and born again it was so obvious that the Catholic Church was not teaching what Jesus and the Bible was teaching
Jesus said I am the only way to the father
BELIEVE HIM
Prayer to mother goddesses rosary’s purgatory
saints relics statues holy water and no meat on Friday are Catholic religion not Christianity
When I was born again I saw things in a new way
A spiritual transformation that Jesus said
you must be born again to enter heaven
Try other churches
Listen to Billy Gram or Charles Stanley
or Steven FURTICK
Compare evangelicals teachings with popes or Catholic teachings
Half the world left the Catholic Church in the
1500s when Luther exposed the evil immoral murderers at the Vatican
Selling of indulgences
Stealing money
Look at the wealth of the Vatican
Jesus said leave your possessions and follow me
Jesus was a Jew
He was never a Catholic
Mary his mother had Jesus her first born child
Then had a normal marriage and many children
She was not a perpetual Virgin
Mathew1/25
Mathew 12/45-50
Mathew 13/55-58
How did Jesus 'LOVE' the money changers in the Temple? Just asking?
@@jwrobin21
Who said he loved everyone
The Synagogue was being used as a market and he broke up the place.
He called out sinners and cheaters.
He would destroy the pope Vatican and the Catholic Church as a pagan mother goddess worshiping cult.
The gates to heaven are very narrow few will get through
He also said many good people will be told I never knew you on judgement day
I I never knew you off to hell
Did you believe in a fairy tale that God and Jesus love everyone and the earth is a big
happy family
You think going to church and praying to Mary
and the pope makes you religious and makes you a good person
We are all sinners
You must be saved and born again to go to heaven
Do you know the Bible
Do you love god and your neighbor with all your heart
Do you help the poor
Are you searching for the truth
Are you following a religion or are you following Christ
Catholics are not Christians
Jesus was a Jew
He was never a CATHOLIC
Jesus church are his followers
They had no building
They had no pope or Vatican
Peter the rock was no pope
He was one of many apostles
He was not in charge
He was not paid
Jesus died on the cross to save you
Ge did not die on the cross for you to pray to his mom Santa statues icons relics
We are in end times
Do you know Billy Gram or Charles Stanley Joseph Prince Joel or Steven FURTICK
Have you tried other religion or other churches
This man is on the right track on going by the Bible, if you are not going by the Bible, then you are going by the doctrines of man.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible. It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies." *Mark Twain*
@@AtamMardes when you read the Bible, start with the New Testament if you want to be a Christian and learn about Christianity, the Old Testament had disobedient people in it refusing to do God’s will.
@@AtamMardes You really gonna reply this to every comment?
@@darryldavis436 A simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
What is wrong with eating meat ? I know you had to kill it, but the animals do the same thing. We are superior over the animals. We could only eat vegetables but we have come accustomed to eating other things besides vegetables. Man has a nature in believing in something more powerfull than us, That is God, The creator.@@AtamMardes
Amen. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. He is God. He forgives us. He is our advocate. He is our mediator. He is our deliverer. He is our Redeemer. He alone is our refuge. All glory be to him and blessed be his beautiful, holy name. His love for us is deeper than we can comprehend.
Amen! And he is the “…the living bread that came down from heaven…” He is our food as much as the Holy Spirit is our breath! 🫶 Keep loving him! And learning.
@@melindahagelsieb3634 Amen 💜
"in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible" (Malachi 1)
"For my flesh is meat indeed... Jesus asked them, Does this offend you?" (John 6)
@Benjamin Quackenbush "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you... From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." (John 6)
"Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." (1 Corinthians)
@Blue Butteryfly Cannibalism seems to have been a common practice among most per-historic cultures (and some more recent) and was later replaced with animal sacrifice and then bare ritual.
One anthropological perspective on this practice is that it reflected a common, and perhaps universal, aspect of human consciousness. It was, apart from any value judgments, a manifest display of shared awareness both of consumption and dependence.
This kernel of truth of a shared consciousness is overshadowed by the cruel and unhealthy physical practice which has been universally, and justly, abandoned in modern times. Thus we easily loose touch with that ancient insight from our current perspective. We have, as they say, thrown out the baby and the bath water altogether.
The Catholic Mass, aside from its many theological complexities, is at minimum an un-bloody ritualized recognition of this shared consciousness that our very existence is a perpetual act of consumption and that we are dependent upon all that has gone before us.
@Blue Butteryfly It seems there is a fundamental disconnect in understanding the term sacrifice. Christianity at its most fundamental level makes a visceral and startling claim about the nature of reality: that God became a real flesh and bones human being. This reality extends into all aspects of the Christian faith; which demands that faith must real and tangible and not vain hypocrisy, that love must be in deed and not word only---- and that we consume in deed and not only symbolically the divine life of Christ, the Word made flesh. Sacrifice without substance is vanity and hypocrisy, this is true of our small personal sacrifices and is true of God's ultimate sacrifice. Does Christ feel pain?... indeed Christ is crucified every day.
@Blue Butteryfly Do you not consume God at every instant by your very existence?
It is our sin which makes that consumption bloody and painful. God continually pours forth His very life even to us, His fallen and rebellious children. But it is Man that invented crucifixion.
"for I was but a little displeased, yet they helped forward the affliction"
(Zechariah 1)
This has no relation to John six.
How beautiful to know that the Devil trembles at the sight of the weakest saint upon his knees.
God loves us...!
And the angels rejoice.!!!
Biblical fact of the day- At the beginning of the Protestant uprising circa 1520, Martin Luther did not like the construction of Romans 3:28 as it was originally written, eg “for man is justified by faith apart from the ‘works of the law’ “ So he simply added the word “alone” after the word faith So the passage would read “man is saved by faith ALONE apart from the ‘works of the law’ “ As confirmed recently by the Dead Sea Scrolls, the works of the law refers to Jewish customs such as cleansing rituals, circumcision, etc. They clearly do not refer to the keeping of the 10 Commandments, etc by which every Christian remains bound. That is to say we are bound to produce good works and to produce good fruit. Cf Matt 25, in fact we will be judged by our works as concurred by the book of James.
So the revolution launched by Luther and Calvin now developed a new novel teaching, known as “justification by faith ALONE”, which was sadly a false Rewriting of holy Scriptures. When questioned by others as to why Luther would change the Bible to justify his novel doctrine, he said, “because Dr. Luther says it is so”.
sounds good. just one problem: Romans 3:28 doesn't contain the word "alone".
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
@@ObadiahWanderer it doesnt now but it did for a brief period in the king james bibles of the time and that is what gave birth to what you believe.
The church split long ago
Most countries left the evil pope and Vatican
England went on to rule the world and founded America
Our leaders like Washington and Jefferson were Protestant
@@walterromanoff2953 Romans
25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished- 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
@@theoprt yeah, no. that's just not true at all. Sola fide is taught in Scripture. It's good theology, not the result of a mistaken translation.
@truecatholic8692 *Taking all the verses on Church and Churches, Bible says Church refers to "all local churches + all believers". You are just demonstrating RCs do not read the Bible.*
you said
Christ made it clear he is establishing the Church. Seems like it must be pretty important. BTW, notice I use the word Church rather than religion.
I’ve never understood the idea of “earning grace”. The word grace is defined as unearned favor. Something granted that could never be earned that we don’t deserve.
yes I have trouble with that too. Depends what sect your listening to. I know it is a good thing that is a gift of God. It is a helps you to the life you are living to make you love Jesus more and more and more. at infinite
I believe that we are ALL given grace/talents at birth; it is what we do with it that can cause us to lose or gain more...........see Matt. 25: 14-30.
If you read the Bible you will understand....of course we are given grace, we don't earn it but Jesus left us with plenty of work to do and if we are to call ourselves Christian that work is EXPECTED of us not once in awhile when we have some free time, not on Sundays or around the Holidays but everyday, all the time and yes by doing these things we make God happy. It takes work...lots of work. Constantly having to turn your focus back to God. Whew... that's a lot of work. That's what us Catholics mean by grace with works. If you think you don't have to work at it then you are probably not working at it. Things such as repent...turn your life around to focus on Jesus, work to spread his word and win the hearts and minds of others, if someone mocks your faith be glad, turn the other cheek, forgive those who have wronged you, give to the needy, be friendly with the outcast, don't store up treasures on Earth, humble yourself, stay married, don't judge, keep his commandments, don't lie, confess your sins outloud (you think that is easy...we are taught God knows everything, if there is someone wrong you have done but you can't bring yourself to admit it then it festers in your soul bringing about a decay. That is really hard work.
@@stefkadank-derpjr1453 I do not know why your comment came to my email but I truly appreciate it . I learned something very important. Nothing needs to be added. But I will make one suggestion. In these threads it appears these people fail to pray for wisdom and that is why the are so misguided. Pray before you read scripture, Come Holy Spirit enkindle in us the fire of you love. ect. The world would shake if all who read the bible would understand this. Just do not jus open the door . Knock first like a civilised person wishing to gain entrance. Again pray more. (Luke 11:5-13)
7Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you. 8For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened. 9Or what man is there among you, of whom if his son shall ask bread, will he reach him a stone? 10Or if he shall ask him a fish, will he reach him a serpent? 11If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him?
12All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them. For this is the law and the prophets.
Your friend in Jesu gerald delbert
We Catholics do not 'earn' grace. We accept it and PARTICIPATE in and of it. Evangelicals do the same when they CHOOSE to get Baptized. And they recognize when they fall from grace when they CHOOSE to say the SINNER'S PRAYER.
I was born as a Catholic and was saved last year. And as I am reading the Word, I can't help but to ask where did Catholic church get their doctrine?
Christ.
the catholic church gets its doctrine from the word of God!
So glad you were saved! Praise God!
Congratulations. They simply made it all up of course. Ever hear a non christian say "religion is just made by man to control people"? That's exactly what catholicism is. and the unsaved person confuses catholicism with Christianity. The catholic catechism and the bible are complete opposites.
@@johnbmx4christ........I wish !!! The RCC has no control over the catholics that don't abide by its teaching........it is their free will to choose to love God or other. However.........on behalf of a loving Father, forgiveness is offered via the confessional. See also James 1: 27.
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God's curse!" Galatians 1:6-9
"Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law because by the works of the law no one will be justified." Galatians 2:16
"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." Galatians 5:4
Amen & Amen
“When I was hungry you did not feed me, when I was naked you did not clothe me… I never knew you”
@@John_the_Paul Effesians 2:8-9 Philippians 2:13 works show the world your faith and salvation, but they're not a means to salvation nor do they come from you, but the holy spirit operating change in you.
@@John_the_Paul **Works will (never) save and works will (never) set us free from sin) , **Galtians 2 at the end of verse 21 Paul said for if righteousness comes by the law , meaning if we saved and changed by works and trying to keep the law perfectly to be rightenous which can never be, than christ died in vain meaning for nothing ). **And Jesus didn't die in vain (only )what he did (alone) open the door) **We cant have it both ways, either what Jesus the Risen Savior already did at Calvarys cross 2000 yrs ago (alone) completely paid our sin debt by his precious blood and open the door to salvation and diliverance over sin by faith alone, *are what we do does this , it cant be both and it isnt ). **(Only) what Jesus already did at Calvarys cross 2000 yrs ago (alone) completely paid our sin debt by his precious blood and open the door to salvation, forgiveness of sin, justification a not guilty verdict on us , and diliverance over sin which all comes freely by faith alone with a repentive heart)
@@anthonyschexnayder3163 We aren’t saved by works, I agree with that.
The point is that if we truly have faith, then it will produce fruit, and by doing the will of God we can grow our faith in him.
If we claim to have faith in the LORD, ought we not be faithful to him?
@Chuck-qi8pw *Roman religion added 7 books. Bible says Scriptures is of Jewish Origins. Romans 3:1-2. Not Roman Catholic origins. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not Roman religion’s OT 46 books. Scriptures is always correct. So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books. Greek LXX was merely a translation of Original Hebrew OT. Original Hebrew OT did not contain Apocrypha 7 books. So why would a translation have Apocrypha 7 books? So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books.*
you said
Protestants removed books from original text at the reformation.
@user-fq7cb8de3h *DSS has Book of Essenes too. Are Book of Essenes inspired Scriptures too? How does DSS prove anything?*
I remember growing up talking with my father's side of the family (who are Catholic) and asking them various questions and asking them ok can you show me that in here (the bible) it was always rabble, rabble it just is. OK that's great can you show me? Rabble, Rabble it's there. And if you bug them long enough then they act like feminists and begin trying to shame you. "If you don't want to do anything for your church YOU can live with the consequences. Nobody said anything about not wanting to do anything for my church I just want YOU to show me in here. They storm off. They haven't learned the number one rule of God. Do not ADD or TAKE AWAY from his word or YOU"LL live with the consequences.
So, put back the Books of the Bible that Luther and the gang took out, and remove the word ' alone ' where he added it. YOUR problem solved.
I agree with Michael, every Protestant branch has been plagued with adding or removing Biblical text, you cannot say that any denomination is innocent and therefore correct bc of that
Lol I’m sorry but there are a LOT of uneducated Catholics that don’t read the Bible. I was one of them. Protestants do have us beat on that, they know scripture. But once as an ignorant Catholic who actually got very well acquainted with scripture and Christian history it only brought me closer to the Catholic Church lol. What Michael said, add back the books you guys removed.
@@michellebernal5668........Au contraire !!! Protestants don't even know the Psalms or the Our Father because they have misinterpreted ' vain repetition .' Catholics do know the Bible and we get indulgences for reading it and more indulgences if we pray to the Holy Spirit before reading. See, we have faith and believe Jesus blindly; they need proof of everything.......see John 20: 29.
@@Michael-nb4ng no no I agree with you but we can’t deny the fact that Catholics who don’t know scripture are the easiest for Protestants to make them turn away from Catholicism. Many Catholics only call themselves Catholics by tradition but are ignorant of their own church and teachings. That is why I always encourage those who are thinking of leaving the church to actually, truly study the Bible and the history of the church. I did and instead of leaving the church it brought me closer.
A monologue more than one hour long without anyone to contradict him (!). He should rather have invited someone who knows about Catholicism, e.g. a Catholic theologian, to debate with him. Many of the things he criticizes about the Catholic Church are not exclusive to the Catholic Church, but are common to other churches which have ancient roots (Orthodox, Syrian, Coptic, Armenian, Church of the East, Ethiopian).
Miguel, you are absolutely right. Protestant theological individualism tends to scatter their churches into larger disunion.
I would like to see him argue with UA-camrs like Pints With Aquinas
Nothing he said is false !
So, are you saying that because other churches besides the Catholic Church practice these doctrines, that it somehow makes them right or true?
@@andrejgrebenc3235 We should be more concerned about what is true, and what is error ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES!
There is always going to be disagreements and disunity. Even in the Catholic Church, there are factions and schisms. 🤷🏽♂️
Reformed baptist here, love that within the protestant fold, those who hold to sola scriptora, though holding different beliefs, can place our faith in the same hope, Jesus Christ alone
And where do we find Jesus alone? God's word, scriptures alone. There is no need for man to add to it.
As a Catholic, I also place my faith in the same hope, Jesus Christ alone.
I was reformed Baptist before converting to Catholicism. Turns out we have far more in common than most Protestants think. :)
@@Ineedtruth1 It also turns out Catholics have more not in common than what they think.
@@Ineedtruth1 we do have a lot in common, it’s truly a shame that the RCC decided to anathematize our beliefs.
@@doomerquiet1909 At the end of the day, Protestantism was founded through the sin of schism and the spirit of schism lives in it to this day. That’s why people who call themselves “Baptist” can’t even worship in one building because they disagree on things like the TULIP. Protestantism is doomed to fracture forever because the only authority it truly teaches is the authority of the individual’s capability for rational thought and reading comprehension…. Which is quite evidently a weak authority.
@turin2197 *Your endless dodging is embarrassing ... Where in Mat 16 ever said Roman religion = the Universal Church or Church Christ founded? Other than self claims what else do RCs have?*
Today in the Catholic Church we have the great cebration, "Our Lord Jesus Christ , Universal King"!
Viva Cristo Rey!!--Long live Christ the King --( last words of fr. Miguel Pro) before he was killed by a firing squad for refusing to deny Christ in Mexico by the anti catholic government
JOE WALSH----Hey Joe, don't you know we have put our Saviour out of our churches and replaced HIM with our blessed mother ? I have read this here and other places posted by
"really good Christians". They never lie and love their neighbour like crazy ! !----LOL !
Johnseedy- modernist secular humanists who are attempting a takeover of the church would NEVER replace Jesus with Mary. They would replace Jesus with anything else. Cf Rev12- the Woman clothed with the sun. Mary is a mortal enemy of Satanw
@@philiplouis702 Don't you recognize sarcasm ?
@@johnsheedy461 hi John. I know, there is a lot of misunderstanding about what is real Catholic teaching. It's probably true among some Catholics as well as some Protestants. I am very grateful that I have close Protestant brothers and sisters whom I pray with every week. We don't avoid the differences but we recognise the Holy Spirit in each other, enabling us to worship our Father together. At the end of the day we will only find peace when we find each other in Christ.
How sad that this man would spend so much time on anti Catholic rhetoric. I suggest he reads the writings of the early church fathers to broaden his mind on the beliefs of the first Christians.
@FaithHopeGrace : Actually, no dogmas have been changed. They can't be changed. They are the word of God.
JAN McKAY----I notice that the writings of the early fathers of the church, those taught by the apostles, do not cut it with these people. They reply that only the bible is the authority,
even though their bible says the CHURCH is the AUTHORITY and the CHURCH is the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of TRUTH. They also overlook the fact that nowhere in the bible does it
say the bible is the only source of truth.
@@johnsheedy461 Huh. 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness". Scripture is, in itself, authoritative because it is the word of God - it is God-breathed.
Prove that the writings of the early church fathers (which are mostly not in any way Roman Catholic, by the way) and your traditions have the same divine inspiration, and in the same way the same authority, that the Scripture has.
@@solideogloria3602 No where in your bible does it say it is the authority or the only source of truth. Keep ignoring YOUR bible "the CHURCH IS THE AUTHORITY" Explain it away for us !
@@johnsheedy461 So? It's still the only source that is innately divinely inspired and is, thus, authoritative.
Prove your traditions are as authoritative and divinely-inspired as Scriptures. If not, then how dare you put them above Scripture?
God sent me this video right when I needed it. I love Jesus and I fail every day to show it, and I pray I can only just succeed in becoming the image of loving Christ
Google sent this video
@@uncatila : That's what I thought......they get paid to sent him this video too....
@@salachenkoforley7382 Your argument is just pathetic…
@@uncatila Wow! That was your argument? Really!?😳😉
I hope you find the Catholic Church friends
I believe in God the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty, from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Catholic here, Mary is not the mediator, we can ask her or any Saint to pray for us, she cannot save us. Believe and be baptized and you will be saved, its only the start, Jesus say believe and be baptized and you will be saved-works are fruits of our faith, someday we will all be in heaven and in a new spirit
Are you sure about that? Your church's Cathecism number 969 says that Mary is a madiator...
Cathecism of the Catholic Church number
969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and *Mediatrix* ."
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and *ONE MEDIATOR* between God and men, the man *Christ Jesus* ;"
@@cucupaus5793 What is the issue here? The ONE MEDIATOR JESUS CHRIST would not have been available to us except that He was gifted to us by the cooperation of Mary with the Word of God, so the the Word of God was GIFTED to us by her voluntary cooperation with God's will. as she did before, she continues to present the GIFT of salvation to us. She continues to mediate for us as she did at that wedding.
@@mathiasalexander6119 Stop! The bible clearly says that there is only ONE! (1) ONE! Mediator between God and Man and that is Christ Jesus Himself! If there is another mediator than it clearly VIOLATES the Bible... Because the Bible is CRYSTAL CLEAR!
@@cucupaus5793 Too funny. You do realize that Mediator and Mediatrix are not the same word don't you? Maybe I should put it in caps?
@@daddydaycareky Mediatrix is just mediator but for the female person...
As a protastant, I was so astonished when I recently found out that the doctrine of "The Immaculate Conception" pertained to Mary and NOT Jesus. I had always assumed they were talking about Jesus' conception.
Jesus was conceived in Mary via the Holy Spirit.......see Luke 1: 32-38.
@@Michael-nb4ng yeah, I know. I had assumed that was what they were calling immaculate conception.
Well, like the Ark of the covenant was purified to carry the Word of God, so was Mary purified to carry ' the Word of God made Flesh = Jesus.' See Exodus 25: 10-16 , John 1: 1 & Hebrews 9:4. @@tylermassey5431
@@Michael-nb4ng Except Mary was not made by human hands as the Ark was, nor was she an inanimate object as the Ark was, nor does Mary contain God's word as the Ark does. Your analogy is ridiculous. If you keep lying to yourself eventually you will believe those lies. Think about that Mike.
Mary was made by God's Hand to ' seed ' the Savior......see Jeremiah 1: 5.@@stever4181
So true faithope. How sad when ppl defend a denomination above the truth. Thank God for His word. I pray to be able to rightly divide it.
Jesus started Catholic church. Mike wants you out.
@@johnyang1420 refute everything he said then. The Bible said to prove anything that we believe to expose if it is really the truth in 1 Thessalonians 5:21
@@johnyang1420 you are absolutely wrong ! Paul started the Catholic Church, *but it got corrupted by Rome !*
It's one of the reasons why the United States Constitution protects the church from government ! It does not protect government from the church !
@@johnyang1420 Jesus didn't start any church ..
@@lenab.m.3708 I hear that a lot. But not true. Matthew 16:13-19. Google “Which church did Jesus start?” Catholic
@213kidangel *I do not believe in compilations. I believe in Scriptures. Bible was merely compilation of Scriptures. Compilations does not make Scriptures Scriptures or inspired.*
⭐Was Bible a Roman Catholic Book? ⭐
The answer is No.
Scriptures was written by Jewish Prophets and Jewish Christian APostles. Not Roman Catholics. By ad100s, all Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures "Scriptures" in their days. Believers did not have to wait 300 years for Scriptures to be "made inspired" or "called Scriptures" by Roman religion.
⭐Did Roman Church come up with a Universal Canon?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman religion merely compiled what was already there. Council of Rome was merely a local council. Council of Rome merely compiled it's own local canon. Not a Universal Canon. Roman religion’s NT canon was only one of many local canons in those days. Roman Church did not fix any Universal Canon. That requires an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches. Nothing of such happened.
⭐Were there other canons after Council of Rome in ad382? ⭐
The answer is yes.
Council of Rome claimed to have a Universal Canon by ad382. If Roman religion and Roman pope was all that powerful having authority over all churches, no other churches would need to come up with a canon; like Hippo (397) and Carthage (419). There were still other canons in ad692 and 1442. If a Universal Canon was really fixed in ad382 like what Roman Catholics claimed, why were there still other canons after ad382? Why are there still other canons till this day - 66, 73, 81 books canons?*
⭐Does Christian Bible come from Roman Catholic Bible?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman Bibles came from a Greek translation called LXX. Christian Bibles came from Hebrew OT. So why would Christian Bible be from Roman Catholics?
⭐Did Christians remove 7 books or did Roman Catholics added 7 books? ⭐
Bible says Scriptures is of Jewish Origins. Romans 3:1-2. Not Roman Catholic origins. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not Roman religion’s OT 46 books. Scriptures is always correct. So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books. Greek LXX was merely a translation of Original Hebrew OT. Original Hebrew OT did not contain Apocrypha 7 books. So why would a translation have Apocrypha 7 books? So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books.
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if you believe in the Bible then you are giving Credit to the Council of Rome 382 AD
The word Catholic means universal. The early use of the word does not refer to what we know today as the Roman Catholic Church. The universality of Christianity was especially emphasized first by Jesus and later by both Paul and Peter. The Roman Empire legally recognized Pauline Christianity as a valid religion in 313 AD. Later in that century, in 380 AD, Roman Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire. For many years, Catholics were the only people officially recognized as Christians, yet all along there were independent Christian movements. Two movements that became significant were Eastern Orthodoxy and the Protestant reform movement.
Actually, the first known usage of the word to describe Christianity is this, from St. Ignatius of Antioch in AD108 : "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
Later on he writes:
"In like manner, let us reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no Church."
2 things to notice:
1. The way you can find the Catholic Church is by looking for the bishop (i.e. it is a visible organization, not just a "spiritual union")
2. This Catholic Church also has priests (and therefore has sacrifice).
3. Jesus Christ is found only in the Catholic Church and therefore is found only where the bishop is.
4. If you remove this leadership structure (bishop, priest, deacon), you are getting rid of the Catholic Church itself.
The literal translation does mean universal, but from Day 1 it has been applied to a specific church with specific leadership. Does it sound like Ignatius is describing your church? If not, might be an issue. . .
WOW! Thanks for that information 🙏🙏🙏
Luther 👿
Part of why Protestantism came around was due to indulgences... I mean I can't really blame them. If you were to tell me the church was stealing money from people in a way that essentially sold grace and forgiveness to them, and I found out how painfully unbiblical this is, I would leave the Catholic church too.
@@TheTacticalMessThe Church certainly needed reform but Luther’s heresy was not the answer.
This is a shameful, poorly formed, arrogant, mocking misrepresentation of what the Catholic Church teaches. I converted to the Catholic Church and it has changed my life in innumerable ways, filling me with boundless grace and joy. The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ founded, promising the gates of hell would not prevail against it. If you want to know what the Church teaches, read the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, or read the Bible for that matter, as it is 100% supported by and consistent with the Bible (which, remember, was given to us by the Catholic Church).
You: "The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ founded,"
Me: Where does this understanding come from? Man or God?
You: " read the Bible for that matter, as it is 100% supported by and consistent with the Bible (which, remember, was given to us by the Catholic Church)"
1) Interesting. Where in the Bible tells us that mary was sinless, assumed, to be prayed to, or has anything to do with mans salvation? Where is it said that Peter was the first pope. Where is the CC mentioned in the Bible or that Jesus started the CC.
2) So man gave us the Bible. I think you will find it was the Holy Spirit that gave it to people and told them what to put in it. Catholics have little understanding of the Holy Spirit and do not understand that the Holy Spirit lives in Christ's believers.
This was a lot of words that express feeling without forming a logical or informative rebuttal. Personal Truths are anecdotal at best. The scripture is the bread of life. So, show people where the truth is. Non specific feeling argument is something I’d expect from progressive Christians and not someone baptized catholic.
@@stever4181Its all in the bible only thing is you don't understand it
@@Sentinal6405 Those are empty words. Show me in scriptures where it answers my questions
@@stever4181You where in the bible does it say Mary was sinless etc etc
Answer Where in the bible is the TRINITY or Sola Scriptura read the Didache and the writings of the Early Church Fathers
You Where does it say Peter was the 1st Pope
Answer Matthew 16 v17-19 Jesus was very Explcit He was referring to Peter not himself and John 21 v15 -17
You Where is the CC mentioned in the bible
It was not but was referred to as the Catholic Church as early as the Apostle John in a letter of St Ignatius
You The Holy Spirit gave the bible to people
Answer Did it fall from the sky? No It was from the Early Church Fathers members of the Universal Church know as the Catholic Church
You Catholics have little understanding of the Holy Spirit
Answer False Catholics have a relationship with Jesus present in the Eucharist and it is sad Protestants deny themselves this great gift watch Eucharist Miracles on u tube
Look up eucharistic miracles if you want evidence. This is how the feast of Corpus Christi was established
@user-ne5by1qj1s *Hilarious claims again. Jesus and Apostles all called Scriptures "Scriptures" in their days. They did not say we need a Bible for Scriptures to be Scriptures. Why do RCs make such hilarious claims?*
⭐Was Bible a Roman Catholic Book? ⭐
The answer is No.
Scriptures was written by Jewish Prophets and Jewish Christian APostles. Not Roman Catholics. By ad100s, all Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures "Scriptures" in their days. Believers did not have to wait 300 years for Scriptures to be "made inspired" or "called Scriptures" by Roman religion.
⭐Did Roman Church come up with a Universal Canon?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman religion merely compiled what was already there. Council of Rome was merely a local council. Council of Rome merely compiled it's own local canon. Not a Universal Canon. Roman religion’s NT canon was only one of many local canons in those days. Roman Church did not fix any Universal Canon. That requires an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches. Nothing of such happened.
⭐Were there other canons after Council of Rome in ad382? ⭐
The answer is yes.
Council of Rome claimed to have a Universal Canon by ad382. If Roman religion and Roman pope was all that powerful having authority over all churches, no other churches would need to come up with a canon; like Hippo (397) and Carthage (419). There were still other canons in ad692 and 1442. If a Universal Canon was really fixed in ad382 like what Roman Catholics claimed, why were there still other canons after ad382? Why are there still other canons till this day - 66, 73, 81 books canons?*
⭐Does Christian Bible come from Roman Catholic Bible?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman Bibles came from a Greek translation called LXX. Christian Bibles came from Hebrew OT. So why would Christian Bible be from Roman Catholics?
⭐Did Christians remove 7 books or did Roman Catholics added 7 books? ⭐
Bible says Scriptures is of Jewish Origins. Romans 3:1-2. Not Roman Catholic origins. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not Roman religion’s OT 46 books. Scriptures is always correct. So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books. Greek LXX was merely a translation of Original Hebrew OT. Original Hebrew OT did not contain Apocrypha 7 books. So why would a translation have Apocrypha 7 books? So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books.
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Sola Scriptura was an impossibility as your every day Christian couldn't get their hands on a bible to learn about the faith.
Attention: Archaeologists have just uncovered a New Testament book thought lost in the first century. It is written by the Apostle John. It's called *THE EPISTLE TO THE REFORMERS.*
This lost book is written by the Apostle John bar Calvin. Its loaded with all protestant doctrines. No longer can the Apostolic Churches call the doctrines of the Reformation inventions.
This sounds like it would make a pretty darn good video.
You're saying that an Epistle to the 'reformers' was found, that was written to the 'reformers' . . . from the Apostle John from the 1st century? So, the Apostle John from the 1st century KNEW ABOUT THE REFORMERS 1500 YEARS BEFORE THEY HAPPENED?
That seems sketchy at best!
@@grizzlybizz7305 LOL. April fools. There is nothing addressed to the Reformers 2000 years ago, 500 years ago or today.
You must have me mistaken with someone that really cares what you think.
@@grizzlybizz7305 ~~ The response of one who is blind and deluded.
@Mysterious I think I already replief to you in this comment section, but let me say something again, since it seems like you´re just a troll, dropping hating comments. Yes the Cahtolic church has flaws, Yes we have a crisis rn. The boom around homosexual priest and child molester is horrible. and I´m truly parying for those victims of such horrible act, I´m also praying for those priests, sicne their sins caused such trauma. but you could at least understand that everyone is sinful. that doesn=t justify any of the horrible acts some piests did, they should at least no longer be priests if not straightly sitting in jail. that is my Catholic view on this. But you need to realise that Catholic church isn´t ONLY bad as the media portrays it. Do you know how many charities Catholic Church owns? It owns the biggest number of Charisties, organizations and helping centres. do your research and know the article from both sides, not only from one, the protestant or anti-catholic side. Thank you for your time.
They did have a discussion about eating his flesh! AND PEOPLE LEFT! PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU!
Many people interpret Jesus literally
when he is speaking in parables
or spiritually.
He obviously didn’t cut off his flesh and drain his blood for them to eat and drink.
Catholics somehow believe they are eating flesh and drinking blood
They also believe Mary is Queen of heaven and St Michael is price of the earth
@FaithHopeGrace : Yes, there are many sinners in the Church.
But the truth is still the truth, even when someone can't believe it.
FHG- your father little Marty Luther said to “sin and sin boldly” so don’t cast stones. Prottys believe in salvation by faith alone so a good Protestant can molest at will and go straight to heaven. Or do you agree with Catholics that Luther was nuts. Sorry to say that about your spiritual father but he’s nuts.
@FaithHopeGrace They don't believe it because the modern church has been infiltrated, our modern mass has become man-centered, and our modern catechism makes "failure to recycle" a sin . It is a sad state of affairs. One which you don't understand, and as a result, over-simplify.
@FaithHopeGrace ......"BELLA DODD"........end of story......
These videos don’t age . The info and quality of the video is good 👍
Well they might age when the Roman Catholic Church changes it’s theology again
Literally this video Is trash.. educate yourself And read bible
@@blakedean904it just did in October
@@blakedean904🤣🤣
@user-ne5by1qj1s *Jesus and APostles already called "partial Scriptures" Scriptures in their days. They all took doctrines from Scriptures Only. 180+ verses say so. By ad100s, Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches. Jesus did not say we need to wait 300 years for some ROman pagan religion to make Scriptures inspired or Scriptures. Neither did Jesus say we need a "full set" for Scriptures to be Scriptures.*
*Bible does not say "Roman pagan religion = the Universal Church or Church Christ founded". You will have to prove this self claim before making more false claims based on this.*
⭐Was Bible a Roman Catholic Book? ⭐
The answer is No.
Scriptures was written by Jewish Prophets and Jewish Christian APostles. Not Roman Catholics. By ad100s, all Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches. Jesus and APostles already called Scriptures "Scriptures" in their days. Believers did not have to wait 300 years for Scriptures to be "made inspired" or "called Scriptures" by Roman religion.
⭐Did Roman Church come up with a Universal Canon?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman religion merely compiled what was already there. Council of Rome was merely a local council. Council of Rome merely compiled it's own local canon. Not a Universal Canon. Roman religion’s NT canon was only one of many local canons in those days. Roman Church did not fix any Universal Canon. That requires an Ecumenical Council with bishops of all churches. Nothing of such happened.
⭐Were there other canons after Council of Rome in ad382? ⭐
The answer is yes.
Council of Rome claimed to have a Universal Canon by ad382. If Roman religion and Roman pope was all that powerful having authority over all churches, no other churches would need to come up with a canon; like Hippo (397) and Carthage (419). There were still other canons in ad692 and 1442. If a Universal Canon was really fixed in ad382 like what Roman Catholics claimed, why were there still other canons after ad382? Why are there still other canons till this day - 66, 73, 81 books canons?*
⭐Does Christian Bible come from Roman Catholic Bible?⭐
The answer is No.
Roman Bibles came from a Greek translation called LXX. Christian Bibles came from Hebrew OT. So why would Christian Bible be from Roman Catholics?
⭐Did Christians remove 7 books or did Roman Catholics added 7 books? ⭐
Bible says Scriptures is of Jewish Origins. Romans 3:1-2. Not Roman Catholic origins. Jews till this day holds OT 39 books. Not Roman religion’s OT 46 books. Scriptures is always correct. So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books. Greek LXX was merely a translation of Original Hebrew OT. Original Hebrew OT did not contain Apocrypha 7 books. So why would a translation have Apocrypha 7 books? So clearly pointing to Roman religionists adding 7 books.
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The canon of the New Testament was only compiled in the 4th century. Before that if there were any matters that needed to be settled, Christians went to the Church (Catholic Church as Protestant Christianity only started 1500 years later).
Even after the canon was determined, the bible wasn't available for your average Christian until the invention of the printing press in 1440AD.
So for the first 1400 years of Christianity, Christians looked to the Catholic Church to teach them about all issues pertaining to faith.
Interesting how this guy puts down works yet every verse in the Bible regarding judgment states that we will be judged by our works/deeds. Another thing, he doesn't really understand Catholicism therefore he is misconstruing their teachings.
Joann when we stand before Christ at the Judgement seat we will be judged for your works not your sins . the sinner will never appear at the Judgement of Christ . they will appear at the white Throne To be judged for there sins , The sins of us that are saved are remembered no more for they are under the Blood of Christ
@Patz13 This one hour+ video is filled with man made nonsense and ridiculous ritual carried on throughout the centuries by the catholic church Follow Christ, not men in robes. The gospel is is simple. And what does being " a neurotic drunkard" have to do with whether or not the subject at hand is scriptural?
Patz 13 , You are ignorant of the spiritual truth of the scriptures . You like most Catholic read and believe in the Catechism ,dogmas . traditions . Mariology . and false doctrine that are not scriptural You call Luther a drunkard and yet you believe in the false teachings of the universal apostate Roman Catholic Church . and it`s sacraments for salvation and people that are saved by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ who sacrificed himself for the salvation of sinners know what the spiritual truths for salvation are , and they are not in the apostate Catholic Church and it`s sacraments
@@donaldcooley897 ......the "WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH".....NOWHERE does it say "UNLESS YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN"........you believe the lies of satan, dealt towards "tickling ears"..........you continue to sin daily, but erroneously believe that "the Blood of Jesus covers our sins, yesterday, today and tomorrow"!!! I've heard it all before, particularly from a Catholic friend of mine that baled when he was 17 and ran over to an evangelical jump up and down church that teaches this error........he thinks he can put his hands down his pants and it doesn't matter, because my "sins are covered by the Blood of Jesus........" NO !!!! his sins have mortally wounded his relationship with Christ !!!! and his failure to repent and STOP his sinfulness will cast him into hell in a heartbeat the day he dies if he hasn't repented with a sincere heart and deep contrition !!!! and that doesn't even call into account the sin he's committing when he emails ME with his smut, and filth etc etc etc......and NOTHING I say to him gets him to stop !!! but hey !!!! he believes this error of so many protestant churches !!! so why SHOULD he stop ?!!! it's the truth, right ?!!! WRONG !!!! he's on his way to hell in a hand basket, and you people and your error SUPPORT him in it !!!!!
Margaretmari , I have never said that sin doesn`t bring death . That what Christ died and shed his blood for to cover our sins . 1 the original sin . 2 the sins we commit today 1 John 1 : 7 If we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with the other the blood of Jesus Christ his son cleanse us from sin . Verse 8 if we say we have no sin we deceive our self and the truth is not in us . Verse 9 if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness .verse 10 If we say we have not sinned we make him a liar and his word is not in us . now in verse 7 . if we walk in the light , to walk in the light means the present of God brings the Consciousness of sin in our life and the Blood of Christ makes provision for both . To walk in the light is living in Fellowship with the Father and the son . when we sin we interrupt that fellowship and when we confess our sin Fellowship is restored . and any one that says they can keep on sinning is not saved in the first place . I have never seen any one that is saved and lives by faith in Christ and walks by faith live like a sinner . and don`t tell me I support some one sinning . when a Christian sins they ask God to forgive them that is what the scriptures say to do . what did you do for salvation ? did you confess To God and ask him to forgive you . and when you sin in your every day living does the indwelling spirit convict you , and did you in the name of Christ ask God to forgive you . that is the only way because Christ sacrificed him self one time . and set down at the right hand of God to make intercession for us His blood is at the throne to cover our sins . so we can stand righteous in the presence of God . So before you comment about something know what you are talking about instead of what you here
The condemned man on the cross next to Jesus is the demonstration that it is by our faith alone we are saved.
His faith led him to make a good confession and he was saved.......see Luke 23: 40-42.
@@Michael-nb4ng *Thank you for proving Faith Alone doctrine once again. Confession is NOT works. Roman ct teaches Salvation by Works - a cursed false gospel. Gal 1:8-9.*
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His faith led him to make a good confession and he was saved.......see Luke 23: 40-42.
My uncle, who grew up going to Catholic schools, said he brought that up to a nun. She basically told him to shut up. 🤭
Yes, the thief on the cross is an example of Christ's "amazing grace". Yet, Catholics claim that the thief's "faith" is actually counted as a "work". The formula for salvation is (1 Cor 15: 1-4) and (Romans 10: 9). Yet, the Catholic formula for salvation always includes works.
Not really!
I would like to see Mike debate Tim Staples. That would be quite an exchange!
Tim Staples or Steve RAy would be great😊
Ms Loida or Jimmy Akin
George Ibrahim How Come the Tim Staples won’t debate Dr James White anymore? Possibly because he doesn’t like losing or he is not allowed
Wgaither1 have you seen him debate Trent Horn?
George Ibrahim yes I have . But I was talking about Tim Staples
You can't get saved without works. Faith without works is dead. Also, what hogwash...
So Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t enough then? 🤨
The Bible says that all our good deeds are like filthy rags to the Lord (Isaiah 64:6)
Jesus~"Those who believe in me shall never die but Have eternal life"
Catholics~Can we please not talk about this.
Maybe YOU should read the Catholic Creed which ends.........I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church; the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, AND LIFE EVERLASTING..........Amen.
@@miketeixeira7853 which creed nicene......
@@theknight8524.....Both.
@@miketeixeira7853 Unfortunately, Catholicism promotes a FALSE GOSPEL!!!!
This is the Gospel of the REAL JESUS:
Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again on the third day. He shed His blood on the cross for you. Your part is to Repent of your sins and Trust in Him. BUT, you MUST Trust in the right Jesus! Otherwise you haven't Truly Repented! Are you trusting in the Jesus of the Bible? If not, then you are still in your sins! You are STILL GUILTY of IDOLATRY!! And, in this situation, you will be cast in the LAKE OF FIRE, for ALL ETERNITY!!! Repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today and God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! Accept it today!!! Tomorrow maybe too late!!
"Jesus answered him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
@@brendaalexander734 The Nicene Creed is the Catholic Creed. The only piece added that is non biblical is "I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church." The rest is traditional Christianity.
The catholics made the bible. Second, the Protestants removed many books of the bible. Any reader with courage can look it up.
@Supa Dupa Did you know Luther supported the papacy many times in his 95 thesis? You are NOT knowledge at all in things as well as the catholic church. Second, the best leading catholic apologist are former protestants. The first 12 printed bibles off the printing press were printed for the catholic church. They were not in German and not for Luther.
@Supa Dupa If the Catholic Church is man made, why do Protestants make excuses for their man made groups?
@@NormBaker. Are you trying to say Luther supported all that the Catholic church said and did? Are you also saying that the Catholic Church has done no wrong? If so then your knowledge of Catholicism is in error along with your understanding of God's word!
@@stever4181 Luther did support and affirm the papacy a number of times in his 95 thesis. It is just things got out of hand. Luther went into panic mode in his arguments and went full postal on the Vatican. When you say "the catholic church" What do you mean? The Vatican or the body of christ in the catholic church?? In the catholic catacism, the church is the saints on earth, in heaven and in purgatory.
Which one do you mean. The Vatican is not the church. All the believers in the congregation are the church.
@@stever4181 Clarify your comment: "Are you trying to say the church has done no wrong?"
Any human institution has corruption in it. Whether it is a court, police station, a corporation, a protestant church. Over the years it is amazing how many scandals I have heard from neighbors, in the news of things the protestant denomations have done wrong. So I guess my point is; Jesus said, Take the log out of you own eye before you try to remove the speck in your neighbors.
Former Catholic here. Went to religion classes for 12 years. Trusted in Christ alone 32 years ago while reading a 5.00 King James Bible for myself. After that I studied Catholic doctrine intently comparing the church teachings to the Bible. What Mike is teaching is accurate. It wasn’t until I read Vatican 2 that I learned of the treasury of merits. The book of Hebrews was eye opening for me as a Catholic. I wish more people in the Church had a burden for Catholics. Thanks Mike!
If you didn't trust in Christ alone (along with the Father and Holy Spirit) as a Catholic, then you were a lousy Catholic. I rarely encounter a fallen away Catholic who had been really faithful when he was in the church.
@@bridgefin do you only pray to Jesus or the saints as well? Do you confess and repent to Christ alone or do you confess to priests?
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You asked: do you only pray to Jesus or the saints as well?
Me: I depends on the meaning of "pray" that you are using. If you mean to pray as to worship then I only pray to God including the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. If you are using the word "pray" in its other meaning as "to ask" then yes, I ask other Christians to pray (worship) Go on my behalf.
You: Do you confess and repent to Christ alone or do you confess to priests?
Me: I am a Christian so I follow what Jesus taught. When he appeared to the apostles on the day of his resurrection he gave them the power to forgive sins (John 20:23) I am not aware of him providing any other normal way to have one's sins forgiven after his ascension to Heaven. Are you? If so give me a verse.
@@bridgefin You ask other Christians to Pray that are living. So do I. Do you ask people who have died to interecede on your behalf? Do you pray on behalf of others that have passed on, that is in purgatory?
I am sorry you believe humans have the power to forgive sins. You also might have a misunderstanding of the BIble teaching. 'ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN'. Jesus never says He has the power to forgive Sin. Jesus OVERCAME sin and death, so that we can be forgiven of our sins by God through the life and death of Jesus Christ. If Jesus never said that He Himself forgave Sin directly, why would you assume in John 20:23 that Jesus is passing on that power to humans? I Peter says this in Acts 10 “Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Read John 20:21-22. Jesus tells us that He is sending the Apostles just like God the Father Sent Him. To do what? To share the Great News so that those that believe in Jesus, will have their sins forgiven by God. Jesus also warns that those that do not receive the good news, their sins would not be forgiven. The Apostles did not have the 'power' to forgive sin. They did have the power in the Holy Spirit to spread the Word of God, the Gospel of Jesus, so through Jesus, people can be forgiven of their Sin. The power in that is in Jesus, not in humans.
That is really crazy that you have the entire Gospel and New Testament, and you are 'not aware' of him providing any other 'normal way' to have ones' sins forgiven after His ascension to Heaven. Please go to the Word of God. Here is Jesus Himself speaking on how people can get their sins Forgiven.
There are so many verses here and more than happy to unpack if you have specific follow ups. But here is one below, that makes it clear, God is the one who has the power to Forgive, and through Jesus, people can be forgiven of their sins,
Colossians 2:13-14 13 aAnd you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God bmade alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by ccanceling dthe record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
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You: Do you ask people who have died
Me: There are no dead Christians. Jesus conquered death.
You: Do you pray on behalf of others that have passed on, that is in purgatory?
Me: Of course.
You: I am sorry you believe humans have the power to forgive sins.
Me: I am far more sorry to see you rejecting the teaching of Jesus.
You: 'ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN'. Jesus never says He has the power to forgive Sin. Jesus OVERCAME sin and death, so that we can be forgiven of our sins by God through the life and death of Jesus Christ.
Me: WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, you are not even Christian. You don't believe that Jesus is God????? And you're going to UNPACK scripture for me???????? Keep your heresy to yourself and tell no one so that you don't bring them to Hell.
So what is it? JW??
@OssoryOverSeas *RCs and Orthos love false claims. OT Scriptures predated any Church. Is OT not Scriptures according to RCs and Orthos?*
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@mikewinger Just so we’re all clear on the history, the (Orthodox) Catholic Church pre-dates the Bible. Christianity doesn’t come from the Bible - it’s the other way around: the Church came first, and those within the Church wrote some of the Church’s teaching and history down, and it took almost 400 years before everyone came to a general agreement on what the NT canon was. So there are many fully-Christian beliefs and practices which were taught by Christ to the Apostles, which appear nowhere in Scripture, and yet the Church had them before they had a NT. (How to conduct a worship service, for example, is found nowhere in Scripture. But we know from Acts that the early Church met every Sunday to break bread [aka, Eucharistic liturgy].)
There is no such thing as "sola scripture" in the Bible as it was not compiled during the apostles' time. We canonized your Bible in 382 (Council of Rome). Early Christians believe in sacred traditions as well. Paul even said this:
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (KJV)
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
You obviously think that traditions can be contrary to what was spoken. You are wrong. If you actually studied the Bible you would see it compliments itself. Traditions are fine as long as that fall within the context of the Bible both old and new. The Catholic Church has changed meanings or added to scriptures. They have also omitted parts of it to suit their beliefs. Then they tell you that you can not understand what God's word says and that you need the CC for that understanding. This is exactly what cults do to their members to control them.
Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible? That is exactly what Jesus used.
Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible. This is the tactic of the Devil to keep you from understanding God's word. You no doubt will throw the 40,000 denominations at me, and to some degree, I will agree. However, not all of those 40,000 denominations are wrong. Scriptures tells us to use discernment and it is that discernment (God's word) that shows what churches are in error. You are told not to use discernment but only do what you're told. So you do not do what the scriptures tell you to do.
Do all parishes teach the same thing? NO they do not! So you have 40,000 parishes doing the same thing you accuse protestant churches of doing.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.
God uses scripture to equip us to do EVERY good work. We don’t need anything else just God and his word.
Indulgences are an insult as if saying, "sorry, Jesus, but your sacrifice is not enough."
YOU do not understand indulgences; for example.........I get indulgences for reading 10 minutes of the Bible each day, and extra indulgences if I say a prayer to the Holy Spirit before I read it. This is stated at the front of my 1958 Vulgate. Indulgences are rewards that help us grow in God's Kingdom.
Do you have the same criticisms of the Eastern Orthodox Church?
They wont go near orhodox church they dont beleive in the holy tradition and the churchfathers writings through the centuries.they are bored to read and understand.
It's a different set of weird traditions
Max Attax but they (there are several) can date their churches back to the apostles... when did they get “weird”?
@@παναγιωτηςκαραγιαννης-τ4υ So, I am converting to the Catholic church but, I feel that the Orthodox are also heavily influenced by obviously Jesus but, also the church fathers. I want Catholics and Orthodox alike to team up and teach the truth to protestants who decided they didn't like certain doctrine so they rebelled against Jesus and His Church.
@@danielleeper8719 we are all children of the same father,we must not separate from our brothers in the catholic or in the protestand churches.The thing that we have in common is the bible so that is enough.They dont accept apostolic acception or our churchfathers and traditions..that is sad because if they give a chance and learn i am sure they will love it..
@grantc9012 *You failed to prove it's a biblical doctrine. So why must i believe your fallible claims and opinions?*
*All my points remain unchallenged: Bible does not teach Apostolic Succession (Apostles passing down leadership to New Apostles. for it to be a doctrine it would have to happen to all Apostles. It did not). Bible teaches Leadership Succession (Apostles passing down leadership to elders and leaders. Titus 1:5.).*
*Scriptures is infallible. It gives infallible doctrines. Roman pagan doctrines came from self claims fallible claims and fallible opinions. That could only be fallible doctrines.*
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The only item I will give you on your list is this: apostolic succession.
You’re presenting yourself as a biblical scholar without any nod to Protestant theologians who have spent combined lifetimes studying the notion of the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ. I’m a follower of Jesus Christ and not a theologian. Obviously- however; I believe brother, you may be missing the point on Transubstantiation.
You tend to lead the conversation with words like “I could go on an on for a ridiculous amount of time... “ which is a bit “squirly “ on your part. “Sanctification is an ongoing process.” You say. Study Sanctification- I’ve studied too and what it seems like you do is state a premise , and then search for evidence.
You’re presuming your words are edifying. They are not on point. I’ve practiced Catholicism my whole life, and your discussion of how Catholics behave is off-base and absolutely not generalized truths. Your also minimizing sin. “Maybe the sin is JUST lust... “.
Christ IS the only ARK of salvation. Pope Jon Paul II was the Pope most of you life, not Paul VI. You’re off on you’re history and quotes.
Anamnesis ("remembrance") has sacrificial overtones. It occurs only eight times in the NT and the Greek OT. All but once (Wisdom 16:6) it is in a sacrificial context (Hebrews 10:3, Leviticus 24:7, Numbers 10:10 and Psalm 38 [39] and 70 [70]). In these cases the term anamnesis can be translated as "memorial portion," "memorial offering," or "memorial sacrifice." Thus in the remaining two occurrences of anamnesis (Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:24),
Christ’s words "Do this in remembrance of Me," can be translated as "Offer this for my memorial sacrifice." Given the sacrificial character of the Eucharist, there is little doubt this translation is appropriate.
the Last Supper was a sacrifice. Furthermore, Jesus tells the Apostles to do what he did in memory (anamnesis) of him. In Scripture, the only other time when anamnesis is used, besides the Last Supper narratives in the synoptic Gospels and in First Corinthians, is in the sacrificial context of Hebrews 10:3 :
'But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance (anamnesis) again made of sins every year.'
In addition to the Greek New Testament, the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Old Testament likewise uses the term anamnesis in Leviticus 24:7 and Numbers 10:10, where it is connected to sacrificial offerings. Based on the present tense context of the sacrificial language that Jesus used and the sacrificial usage of anamnesis, the Last Supper demonstrates to be sacrificial in nature. Since the essence of the Mass is identical with that of the Last Supper, the Mass is consequently a sacrifice.
A clue may be found in exploring the connection between liturgical signs and realities the way the Hebrews and the early Christians (as well as the Catholic Church today) understood it -- certain unique signs make present the very realities they signify. In other words, the unique sign of the Last Supper truly brings the reality of the sacrifice of the Cross to Christians in the present here-and-now.
J.N.D. Kelly, the Protestant patristic scholar and church historian, in his book Early Christian Doctrines comes to the same conclusion:
According to ancient modes of thought a mysterious relationship existed between the thing symbolized and its symbol, figure or type; the symbol in some sense was the thing symbolized.
Being a christain historian or a sympathizer or believer will not take u to heaven friend u need to be with christainity......God didnt start catholic church for joke......in end of days u will be ignored by god for worshipping ur pastors
William John Morris Jun. smh was just what I was doing all through as I listened to his talk. He’s saying I can do what ever I want cause Christ died for my sins and I’ll get away with it cause of that, waaaaw.
Veronica Chukwu acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Savior Is what it takes. I’m a novice, but it seems to me that repentance of sin is key to our walk with Jesus. Isaiah 53 is a good reference.
Bold Gamer you know so little about me to say I’m doomed, or ignored. I’m a sympathizer of my Lord Jesus Christ and his mystical Body. Which includes ALL people who accept Christ, repenting of your sins. There’s an earthly price for sin, and you’re faith in Jesus Christ saves you. Your works are the fruit of your relationship with Christ. The gentleman speaking seems saved, as a part of the body of Christ. I don’t know his heart. I do know that he cherry picks scripture to support his points. He’s significantly misinformed about what Catholicism teaches.
Do you follow men or God? Read the bible, not men.
I would just ask if you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches, ask someone that is Catholic. As a life long Catholic who also attended Baptist church weekly, all I could keep thinking while watching this guy was "What in the hell is he talking about?". It would take me too long to counterpoint all the errors in his teaching, his examples, his selective use of scripture, and his ignorance of the early Church of Christ on Earth.
Thanks for your post Veritas. I totally agree. Mike Winger is probably a very nice person and possibly a good pastor, but he is simply regurgitating untruths about Catholicism that have been passed down from generation to generation in the Protestant (a minority) community. It is extremely difficult to shift except by a work of the Holy Spirit who is the only one who can change hearts and bring the Truth to us.
If you decide you are going to dig up dirt on any person, organisation, business or Church then you will be successful because it will be there. Especially if you take archaic documents and take pieces out of context then you can paint a very dark picture about anyone or anything. No matter how much I have insisted that what is being said is so far from what Catholics actually believe, the more entrenched some people become: Their pastors could not possibly be wrong! Their parents could not possibly be wrong! Well, I'm sorry but they have been for 500 years! A massive advantage for critics of the Church is that there are 10s of thousands of documents that can be waded through to find the negative, and yes, the Catholic Church records the most negative as well as the most positive events in our history because we try to learn from them. This is not true for any Protestant Church that I am aware of. Very few have documents that are published week after week to help the faithful. None or very few have an incredibly comprehensive catechism that can be researched, fed from or torn apart if so inclined. The cards are stacked but the Church is up to the challenge. Because of God's promises it is unshakeable, solid, truth-filled and empowered by the Holy Spirit to proclaim the gospel "in season and out of season" for as long as it takes us to be consumed into Heaven. Amen!
That is not to say that all people in the Church have been perfect; far from it- even popes have sinned seriously in the past. But every single person in every church is a sinner and may sin at any moment - this should not be a shock! That's why Jesus came; "To save sinners not the righteous." So, sinners sin and Jesus forgives and redeems -Christianity 101.
LOL ……. we all know what the rcc teaches that's why we know it's a satanic counterfeit.
@@PaulV-nm2et Oh Paul! You are back to torture me! You do NOT know what the Roman Catholic Church teaches! You have demonstrated this over and over again.
A satanic counterfeit? Then why would this enemy hate and attack the Catholic Church so much?
What does your Church teach Paul V? Please post here where I can find your catechism, your statements of faith and all the wise documents your church has posted over the last 2000 years. I will then go through then in detail and decide whether I agree with each point or not and get back to you on that.
@@PapaJoeWalsh LOL …….. that was not addressed to you but Veritas. but that being said --- that's torturing you ? LMAO …. that's hilarious John.
LOL ……. rc say that all the time but we are just telling you what you tell us you believe.
do you "venerate" the queen of heaven ? yes you do. do you worship her son as a wafer ? yes you do.
LOL ….. my Church teaches what Pastor Mike professed in his video.
Paul V you must be an obvious troll or just straight up thick in the skull. God bless you mate, hope you are granted the graces you need! Keep praying homie!
That the Lord Himself gave his disciples the power to forgive sins does not mean the Lord ceased to be the High Priest. You are so mistaken, sir.
ALEX PEACE----Where in the world did you get the idea that Anyone Ever said the Lord ceased to be the High Priest ? What are you talking about ?
Comments are very spiritual, the devil probably doesn’t want your eyes to be open. Simple answer is match what he’s saying up to what the Bible says, that is the inspired word of God, not the church. Look to the Shepard, not the sheep
JOhn 20:22-23, can't get any clearer than that....
His disciples, none of which are alive today.
@@celestebivin1659 But in Acts 1, they clearly select a SUCCESSOR to Judas , for he held an office, see ACTS 1:20-26, so there is already in the Scriptures the proof that their Authority and Power was passed down to others. This was already clearly stated by Irenaeus and Origen within the first 3 centuries of the Church....
@sptomase *Roman religion does teach "devote the Roman Mary to be saved". Again you failed to know your man made religion.*
*Pope Pius XI said, “What will it cost you, oh Mary, to hear our prayer? What will it cost you to save us? Has not Jesus placed in your hands all the treasures of His grace and mercy? You sit crowned Queen at the right hand of your son: your dominion reaches as far as the heavens and to you are subject the earth and all creatures dwelling thereon. Your dominion reaches even down into the abyss of hell, and you alone, oh Mary, save us from the hands of Satan.”*
*Roman Church preaches complete heresy of "SALVATION COMES THROUGH MARY"!!!! Roman Catholics say: "DEVOTION TO OUR LADY IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION"*
Many have proved invincibly, from the sentiments of the Fathers, among others: St. Augustine, St. Ephrem, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Germanus of Constantinople, St. John Damascene, St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure; *that devotion to Our Most Blessed Virgin is necessary for salvation,* and that it is an infallible mark of reprobation to have no esteem or love for the Holy Virgin while, on the other hand, it is an infallible mark of predestination to be entirely and truly devoted to her. The figures and words of the Old and New Testaments prove this. The sentiments and examples of the Saints confirm it. Reason and experience teach and demonstrate it. Even the Devil and his crew, constrained by the force of truth, have often been obliged to avow it in spite of themselves.
St. Louis Marie de Montfort
*All the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.*
St. Ildephonsus
*With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.*
St. Ildephonsus
There is no reconciliation, O Mary, except that which thou didst conceive in thy virginity, no justification save that which thou didst nurture inviolately in thy womb, no salvation but that which thou didst immaculately bear. Therefore, O Lady, thou art the mother of justification and of the justified, thou art the begetter of reconciliation and of the reconciled, the Mother of salvation and of the saved. O blessed assurance, O refuge without fear! The Mother of God is our mother, too! The mother of Him in Whom alone we hope, Whom alone we fear, is our mother. We have for our mother the mother of Him Who alone can save us, Who alone will be our judge!
St. Anselm
For this reason, all creatures are obligated to render her respect and homage as to their Queen and Sovereign to whom they belong and upon whom they depend, and will depend, for all eternity.
St. John Eudes
Mary became for herself and for all men the cause and fountain of salvation.
St. Francis de Sales
Eve became the cause of death; Mary became the cause of our salvation.
St. Ephrem
O chosen Queen of Heaven! You alone are the refuge of guilty mortals to whom so many a tearful eye, so many a wounded and miserable heart is raised . . .
You, O elect Queen, are the gate of all grace, the door of compassion that has never yet been shut!
Bl. Henry Suso
Mary is the key to the gates of Heaven.
St. Ephrem
ST. THOMAS AQUINAS
Open to us, O Mary, the gate of Paradise, since you have its keys!
St. Ambrose
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Any devotion to Mary doesn’t save you. It’s like asking mom to help convince dad. It’s not required to ask Mary of anything.
The Holy Eucharist at least of what I know is something even the First Church Father understood and believed..Also First Church/Catholics believe being saved by Grace but That Faith is dead if their is no Works..the Book of James also touches this. Now right now we see someone who is teaching this is Works - this is the fruits of Tree which is Faith. If you have a Tree of Faith but bares no fruit. One lie he said waa you have to be baptized in the Catholic Church -that this is what the Catholic Church - anyone who actually has converted to Catholicism would tell you that isnt true - you just need to make sure you were baptized in the Name of Father the Son and Holy Spirit..doesnt matter if you were Methodist Calvin or just about most Protestants Church. Also about infant baptismal - he is wrong again in that at somepoint EVERY household does have children as we were all children. Nowhere in the bible does baptismal shows restriction to adults..
He is wrong about baptism. My husband just joined the Church and they recognized his baptism as long as it is with water and in the name of the father, son, Holy Spirit. Again, I don't even know where to begin with his lies.
Acts 11 Peter speaking
15 And as I began to SPEAK, THE HOLY GHOST FELL ON THEM, as on us at the beginning.
16 THEN REMEMBERED I THE WORD OF THE LORD, how that he said, JOHN INDEED BAPTIZED WITH WATER; but YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
THEY WERE SAVED BY BELIEVING THE GOSPEL THAT PETER PREACHED NOT WATER BAPTISM.
Acts 1
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. note
5 For John TRULY BAPTIZED WITH WATER; but YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST not many days hence.
LUKE 3
16 John answered, saying unto them all, I INDEED BAPTIZE YOU WITH WATER; but one mightier than I COMETH, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND WITH FIRE:
AFTER YOU HAVE BELIEVED AND YOU ARE SAVED BY FAITH YOU ARE BAPTIZED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST BY GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. JESUS CHANGED WATER INTO WINE AS HIS FIRST MIRACLE SIGNIFYING THE NEW COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD NOT WATER , WATER CANNOT WASH AWAY YOUR SINS ONLY THE BLOOD OF JESUS WHICH IS APPLIED TO A SINNER ONCE HE PUTS HIS FAITH IN CHRIST, PLEASE STUDY WHAT GOD SAYS NOT WHAT MAN SAYS THAT GOD SAID.
BE BLESSED IN LOVING SPIRIT
This guy is a straight nut job who doesnt know jack about Catholicism
@@elizabethrothery3676 they don’t rely on any first hand knowledge but on hearsay. From what I can tell, few evangelical leaders actually converse with Catholic apologists.
I’d love to see Mike have a conversation with Brant Pietre who is a Protestant convert to Catholicism.
John Henry Newman a CofE cleric and a catholic convert, and later a cardinal, said to be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant.
Thank you, Mike.
Just more representation of Catholic dogma. Dude im not even Catholic but at least I understand there are reasons for what they do. If you're gonna argue against someone then at least understand them first.
Hahahhahahahahahha wow
So true Paul. People rarely address or mention the Catholic Liturgy which for me is the whole reason I and most other people go to church. I constantly get told by other Christians that my Catholic practice is "satanic" or "blasphemous" by people who fail to understand and respect we simply have different rituals but pray to the same God. I feel people just want to justify to themselves that their faith is the TRUE faith. I'm like just chill dudes and maybe ask some questions out of respectful curiosity rather than throwing harsh judgement. Peace.
@@nataliedesilver Saturday Sabbath, Indulgences,pray to statues, worship Mary, Repetitious prayers (rosery),actually changed the 10 Commandments, and most of all a haven for child abusers. HIS flesh and blood is offered up in reality not in remembrance. Now the Pope says evolution is of GOD. Leave this hole to hell! Or lie to yourself and stay. I point this out in love not hate. My aunt and grandmother were Catholic but, it's time to come out of her my people...
Jondular mate you obviously don’t have any idea about my faith, all you’ve come up with is some very incorrect interpretations. Saturday Sabbath? Haha Dude thats Judaism, statue worship?? Champ nobody goes to mass to worship statues, Do you know anything about sacred architecture and art? Also its Rosary not “rosery”. Maybe ask questions as you can often learn something. Peace be with you.
@@nataliedesilver NO.. The Sabbath is the 2 Commandment long before Judism. You have saints to pray to? Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
The statue of your St. Peter has had his big toe OFF from kisses! The Catholic church is a false religion! Pope says evolution is okay!
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Rosary?
Jesus said, Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
You follow man instead of God!
Mary is still in the ground waiting for His return!
You pray ONLY to GOD!
My calendar has Saturday as the 7th day
If you have a Bible go to Psalm 188:8 it is the exact center of the KJV
Believe it!
@Nosderim_the_Wyrdbearer *Right off the bat, your credibility and lack of knowledge is showing.*
*Roman does teach partaking 7 sacraments to be saved. That is already lots of works Salvation anathematized by Scriptures. Bible does not even say those were "sacraments".*
*If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.*
- submit to Roman pope to be saved
- devote to Roman Mary to be saved
- be in Roman Church to be saved
- partake Roman sacraments to be saved
- baptise in Roman baptism to be saved
- do lots of works to be saved
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Right off the bat, your credibility and lack of knowledge is showing.
1. WORKS =/= SACRAMENTS
2. No one “earns grace piece by piece” We are not a Casino.
3. Works are a result of our faith. Our works are a reflection of our faith. Works are spreading the gospel, helping others, giving alms, lifting burdens of othersc showing compassion, treating each other with respect, leading others towards Christ, building homes, giving food. We don’t do that to earn points, we do that because we love God, we are DOING OUR JOB.
Also, Sacraments are the structure of our lives as Catholic Christians, the sacraments begin in our state as babes, continue throughout our lives, and end in our time of death.
There are 7 sacraments: BAPTISM as babes, as we are washed from the taint of the original sin in Jesus Name, CONFIRMATION as youths, as we better understand Christ in matured adolescence (usually 14-16 years old), EUCHARIST daily/weekly as we remember the sacrifice Jesus gave for us and partake of his blood and body, as HE says “He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.” We plead God to bless us with that which he has ordered us to partake of. PENANCE AND RECONCILIATION Jesus commanded his disciples to carry on what he had left for them, and told them that “as the Father sent Me, even so I send you” so that the his apostles can continue what he has done, for God ordained them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” The priest only does as He commanded them to do, to be in the presence of Christ with the supposèd, who not only wishes to free himself of the burden of lingering sin but to find reconnection and true repentance through the help of the priest. MARRIAGE self explanatory, man/woman under the house of God publicly declaring their love for Christ their devotion to Him and devotion to one another ANOINTING THE SICK we seek medicine of the world to cure most of our illnesses, but on top of scientific medicine we also require healing of the soul and expulsion of evil. We are not alone in their world and the devil works his way, as he worked his way in the Garden. Through our devotion we seek the guidance and help of God in our dire times when we are faced with illness, be it benign or grave. If it is His will for us to perish on Earth, so be it; if it is His will that we push for longevity, so be it. HOLY ORDERS those that have a calling to dedicate to themselves to the Church Christ established and bestowed to St. Peter have that option either men as Deacons, Priests, Bishops, Cardinals and Popes and women as Nuns and Abesses. They put their whole life to establishing and maintaining and follow the footsteps of those before us so provided every single second of their life to Christ.
For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 1 Cor 11:29
1 Cor 10: 16The cup of benediction that we bless, is it not a communion in the Blood of Christ? And the bread that we break, is it not a participation in the Body of the Lord? 17Through the one bread, we, though many, are one body: all of us who are partakers of the one bread.
Louelle Caldino - praised be Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.
That's not what a sacrament is
Believers baptism not taught in the New testament
@@robertedwards909 Luke 22:19
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grand Slam : "Once For All ! " Hebrews - Jesus Paid for your Sins.
“Purgatory" is the name that Catholics give to the final purification which occurs at the end of life. Because we still sin in this life, but will not be sinning when we are in glory, between death and glorification must come purification.
Explicitly, we not only have the witness of passages such as 2 Maccabees 12, but also the witness of passages describing our accounting before Christ in the particular judgment, including the especially vivid depiction of one escaping through the flames in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
Jesus himself adds to this when he speaks in Matthew 12:32 of a sin which will neither be forgiven in this age nor the age to come, implying that some sins (venial ones of which we have not repented before death) will be (future) forgiven .
Furthermore, in Matthew 5:25-26, Jesus tells us: “Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.”
In this parable God is the Judge, and if we have not reconciled with our neighbors before we see God, God will hold us accountable for the wrong we did to them. This is what the Bible means when it says that God will take our revenge for us, so we should not take it ourselves, because God will defend the cause of the poor and uphold the case of the widow. Whenever a poor person or widow (or anyone else) is oppressed or wronged, God will hold the oppressor accountable for what he did - unless the wronged person freely chooses to forgive the offender. In that case, God will not hold the offender accountable for the wrong he did on a human level (i.e., against the human he wronged), but unless he has obtained forgiveness from God for the wrong he did against God, he will still be held accountable for that.
Thus in our sins against others they are two dimensions - the human, by which we sin against our neighbor in the act, and the divine, by which we sin against God in the act. Thus theft is a sin against our neighbor from whom we stole and a sin against God, whose law we broke. We must obtain forgiveness from God for the divine aspect of our sin, but, as Jesus tells us in Matthew 5:25-26, we must obtain forgiveness for the human aspect of our sin from the human we sinned against. If we do not, God will hold us accountable.
Of course, since humans are finite beings, our sins against them can only merit finite punishment (compared to our sins against God, who is an infinite being, so our sins against him can merit infinite punishment). Because this punishment is finite, it must be temporary (for an eternal punishment is infinite since involves the reception of pain over an infinite period of time). But if this punishment we will receive when we are judged by God (according to Jesus’ parable) is temporary, then it’s purgatory. Thus Jesus says, “You will not get out until you have paid the last penny,” because there is a time when your finite punishment due to the finite, human dimension of your sins will be over.
In any event, more than enough has been said to show the inaccuracy of the charge that purgatory is an unbiblical doctrine. In reality, it is very firmly rooted in Scripture." Jimmy Akin Former Protestant " "How to explain Purgatory to Protestants"
@@Alfredo8059- Thank you for your response.
2 Maccabees 12: 1 - 45 : Apocryphal Book in all Bibles but has been removed in 19th Century from many/most Protestant versions especially KJV. So, I'll refer to the text that was once contained in the KJV.
Basically, the Maccabees - Judas - retaliated against the Arabs ( Jamnites of Jamnia ) for their violations against the Jewish Covenants and a decree to remove the remaining Jews from Joppa via boats. Judas retaliates and burns the boats. Well battles ensue and the Maccabees are victorious. Many people die. This happened just prior to the Feast of Weeks & Pentecost. In verses 42 - 45, Judas prays for the sin of those slain; sent money to Jerusalem as a sin offering being mindful of the Resurrection; slain will raise from the dead, but it may be " superfluous ( beyond what is required ) and a vain prayer for the dead ". V.45 : " ….favor for those ….dies godly,...good and holy thought....reconciliation for the dead....deliverance from sin.
1 Cor. 3:11 - 15 : Foundation is Jesus Christ, any man builds upon this with wealth.... fire will try every man's work, work abide....receive reward, work burned....suffer loss.... he shall be saved.
Matt. 12:32 : Speak word against Son of man-be forgiven: speak against Holy Spirit-not forgiven, " neither in this world, neither in the world to come".
Matt. 5: 25,26 : " Agree with thine adversary quickly,....; least ….adversary deliver thee to judge,....to the officer,...into prison. Verily I Say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing ( 1/64 of a day's work )." - Jesus Christ.
I do believe these are the Scriptures that you referred to. So I have focused on them. I use to have a 19th Century Pope Leo XII Douay Catholic Bible - 1950, but like an idiot, I donated to a Prison Book Drive; for a Roman Catholic who might be in prison. Excellent Translation. Would have used that to respond.
Thank you again, but I do not think or believe you have convinced me that Purgatory is Biblical. Catholic Doctrine yes. I am a Scripture reader. God Bless. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
@@benjaminrush4443 , thank you very much for your kind answer.
. I am a Scripture reader, too. I do not think or believe Protestantism have convinced me that Luther's SOLA Fide is Biblical. I mean "faith alone" (before or apart the love of God, charity) is nothing as Paul teaches:" and though I have ALL FAITH, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
I don't think or believe that Luther's gospel is the same as Jesus' Gospel: "Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little" Lk 7:47; " love covers over a multitude of sins" 1 Pe. 4:8.; "love covereth all sins" Prov. 10:12 For the Early Church Fathers any justification that is not woven together with sanctification is not justification at all. According to Protestant Gospel we are first justified by faith alone (mere declaration without receiving charity), then we are sanctified.
Paul says: "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." 1 Cor. 16:22
Paul says: "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." 1 Cor. 13:13
Paul says: "And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Paul says: "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." Gal. 5:6
But Protestantism teaches "faith alone (apart or before charity) justifies, saves.
Luther and Calvin rejected the Catholic doctrine of purgatory not because they made a thorough study of scriptural eschatology and found it missing, but because "purgatory" (final sanctification of the elect) clearly contradicted the doctrine of justification that they had "discovered" in the Bible. Protestants tipically believe that every Christian is united with Christ immediately after death and therefore, and therefore we will have no need for purification. The repentant thief on the cross died together with Christ, paid the uttermost farthing (1/64 of a day's work )." - Jesus Christ. (Matt. 5: 25,26) "Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss." Lc. 23:41. The former thief as every believer " was purged from his old sins" (2 Peter 1:9) and became servant of obedience unto righteusmness ( "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Rom. 6:16). The FORMER sinner received a crown of righteousness because he loved His appearing as Paul:"there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. " 2 Tim. 4:8. The whole Bible refutes Luther's gospel. The only passage in the New Testament that contains the phrase "FAITH ALONE" (Greek , pisteos monon) is James 2:24: "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.". Protestant Bible scholar, Scot McKnight says: "No matter how hard we Protestants might try to work this out, the botton line for James is having works" . Definitely, for Christians faith was never alone and charity is greater than love ( 1 Cor. 13:13). We have to believe Jesus , Paul and the Apostles. We don't have to believe XVI century man-made doctrines. God bless you. In Jesus name. Amen.
@@Alfredo8059- It appears that you do read the Scriptures. I do not believe in Luther's Gospel or the Protestant Gospel. The Apostle Paul focused on the Gospel - Message - of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior who shed His Blood on the Cross, died, was buried, and rose again in three ( Jewish ) days. Jesus paid my sin debt, which goes all the way back to Adam. Protestantism set a precedent since Luther and Calvin could not agree over some issues and parted ways. I tend to go more Calvinist verses Luther. Apostle Paul stressed the Love of Jesus Christ over the Traditions & Doctrines of man. Many Protestant " Christians " could be in for a surprise of having Faith alone at the time of the Rapture; the second time that Jesus will come to humanity. We, as Believers, must have the Love of Jesus in our hearts, in order to obtain the humility of Jesus. Paul is credited with: One Church, One Faith, One Baptism - The Body of Christ. I do not believe in a place called Purgatory for Believers. It is my understanding that only a Church going, Sacrament keeping, Roman Catholic goes to Purgatory due to a few minor sins that need to be removed, before being with the Father in heaven for eternity? I disagree. I also have many reservations with the Doctrines of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. What I do know that the Father has given to me the ability to accept His Grace through Faith. Jesus came to Reconcile me with the Father and constantly sends the Holy Spirit to me and to convict me of His existence and Sanctifying Power. I love the reading and study of Scriptures for it guides me to the Victory instore for true Believers. Our discourse is the type of Bible Study that strengthens those who seek Truth. Thank you and God Bless. Ephesians 4: 1-6 ; Walk in Unity. Amen.
@@benjaminrush4443 , Thank you for sharing Eph.4:1-6. I love to read Scripture. Thank you for sharing your views, I mostly agree with them .When you say: "I do not believe in a place called Purgatory for Believers. .." Officiall Catholic teaching does not teach that "purgatory " is a place. Some imagine that the Catholic Church has an elaborate doctrine of purgatory worked out, but there are only three essential components of the doctrine that I think are entirely biblical doctrines:
1-that a purificationafter death exists
2-that it involves some kind of pain, and
3-that the purification can be assisted by the prayers and offerings by the living to God.
Orthodox Jews to this day believe in the final purification and for eleven months after the death of a loved one they pray a prayer called "the Mourner's Kaddish for their loved one's purification. Jews Catholics and the Eastern rthodox have always historically prclaimed the reallity of the final purification. It was not until the Protestant Revolution in the XVIth century that anyone denied this doctrine. Quotes from the Early Church Fathers show "purgatory" has been part of the Christian faith from the very beginning.
Luther was a headstrong man, confident in his own opinions and refusing to submit to anyone. It was his way or the highway, a quality shared by Calvin and many other early Protestant leaders. This is why they argued among each other and could never agree. They rejected the belief that God protected the Church from error in her teachings. Protestants have continued to do the same ever since. Jesus tells us that one of the strongest argumentss for the truth of the Christian message will be the unity of His Church (John 17:20-23). 1 Corinthians 1:10, KJV: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." ... Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose." Thank you and God bless you.
Here’s the thing Mike. The Bible doesn’t state all of your beliefs. The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible...yet all Christians believe in the triune God. Know why? Because the early Catholic Church interpreted it that way. So say thank you to the Catholic Church for the core of Christian belief.
Catholics don’t believe in grace a little bit at a time...we are all given grace through faith in Christ. Christ calls us to do good works, and if you have true faith you will do good works. Many parables that Jesus himself says say that you must do good works or be thrown out of the kingdom of God, he even washes his Apostles feet.
You do not have to be baptized in the Catholic Church for salvation, the Catholic Church recognizes all trinitarian baptisms as legitimate. In Catholicism, parents are expected to raise their children in the faith. There is nothing in the Bible that says Baptism can not apply to infants so that’s your opinion which goes against almost all of Christian beliefs- including Protestants like Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, and yes Catholics.
On Penance, never heard of the treasury of merit, that’s not in the Catholic Catechism...do your research. Following penance instructions of the priest is not a work or necessary for forgiveness of sins, it is simply a way to get close to God. Purple stoll??? No not necessary. But it’s not the Catholic Church that forgives, it is Christ. Yes there is an Apolostic Succession in the Bible, read Acts. Keys of the kingdom were given by Jesus to Peter and his successors. No one is between me and God.
Mass to appease Gods wrath? No. Grace is not piecemeal, again it is fully given through faith. The Eucharist is God communing with us, we are partaking of Gods being, per his commandment - do this in memory of me. This is my body, this is my blood...Jesus does NOT say it’s a symbol. Eucharist is NOT necessary for salvation, Catholics believe trinitarian Christians can all be saved. Yes, it IS Jesus, because Jesus said so, so yes we do worship His real presence. Do more research and stop spreading falsehoods. The Apostles did recognize it was Jesus body and blood, because Jesus is the new Passover. Your interpretation is in the minority and you don’t know better than millions who came before you. Love how you pick and choose your bible verses. Witchcraft? So insulting. Again it’s not about getting cleansed or bits of grace, it’s about communion with God. We are not constantly condemned, but we are all sinners. You are NOT perfected forever...yes Jesus paid it all, but he didn’t make you perfect. Catholics absolutely believe Jesus paid for our sins with his ONE sacrifice. You are so wrong about Catholic teachings, you skim the surface and don’t understand the meaning behind it.
Mass is first part about scripture, we read Old Testament, New Testament, and the Gospel every Sunday, and hear preaching just like you.
Appease the wrath of God is a big theme of yours, and so wrong. Do you even know a single Catholic person? Have you talked with a Priest?
1208 AD - there was only one Church...the Catholic Church! The pope then was talking about non-Christians. Yes, Vatican 2, current Catholic teaching, is that all those believe in Jesus as Triune God are saved.
You don’t understand the role of the Pope, he is not infallible, yes many popes have said stupid things over time, as I’m sure many of your church leaders have (including you stating so many false things).
Purgatory recognizes that we are sinners and it’s a time of purification before being in the presence of God. It is not defined in terms of time or condition. Yes the thief will be in paradise because of his true faith, but I bet there was a period of purgatory for that murderer before he got to that paradise.
Saints aren’t the only ones in heaven. Yes they can be intercessors, but praying to saints is not mandatory. All Catholics are welcome to and encouraged to pray straight to Christ. Just because it’s not in scripture doesn’t mean it wasn’t an early practice of the church and a legitimate Christian expression. Look up the Perpetual help prayer again, it is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what you read. Nothing about entrusting my soul or salvation to Mary...nothing about changing Jesus mind. Falsehood that you’re speaking. We never worship Mary or any other saint. Mary does not love us more than Jesus, that is RIDICULOUS. And INSULTING.
Yes the Marian dogmas are not scripture based, they are based on traditions passed down through the centuries. Like many other fundamental Christian beliefs. Brothers = friends or apostles. No there is not even close to as much attention on MARY as of Jesus...have you been in any Catholic Church and seen the crucifix front and center? Have you been to a Catholic service, there is constant prayer to Christ. NO WORSHIP OF MARY. Not idolatry.
You have completely misrepresented Catholic teachings. COMPLETELY. Spend more time trying to understand the fundamentals. There is more to Christianity, there is also Tradition that has been divinely revealed over time. There is nothing in Catholicism that conflicts with the Bible. I hope your readers will have a more open mind and do real research on the Catholic Church.
the Godhead is clearly taught in scripture we don't need the rcc for that.
actually rc have different types and definition of grace from us ----- and teach God gives you grace to do "salutary acts" (which means good works) which earns you more grace to do more "salutary acts" to get more grace ………. and what happens when you commit a mortal sin ?
correct the rcc now teaches there is salvation outside the rcc but that was changed. the old teaching was
ALL those outside the rcc eg. Jews, heretics, schismatics, pagans went to hell. we all know that b/c rc are having a big fight with other rc over that.
I was told the rc priest wore a purple stoll when hearing confessions by a rc is he lying ? and that's the problem the rcc teaches you need to go through a rc priest to have your sins forgiven. in emergency you can go directly to God but afterwards you have to go to a rc priest to make it official.
rc call the mass a propitiatory sacrifice and I have talked to a rc priest and he agrees with Pastor Mike…….. "CCC 1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."" and I'm pretty sure Trent also supports Pastor Mike's statements about the rc mass.
we understand about the pope ……. he is infallible when speaking ex cathedra on matters of faith and morals.
purgatory denies Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient and is a misinterpretation on the part of the rcc to get loads of cash.
talking to those mortals that have left the earthly realm is forbidden biblically and Jesus told us to go directly to the Father in His will. you give Mary hyperdulia which is worship.
actually with many rc it's Mary, Mary, Mary. and not only is your Mariology not clearly taught in scripture it makes no sense and even in part condemned by scripture.
no he didn't he correctly exposed Catholicism
My brother I have been a Catholic all my life. This church does so many things against Christ it's scary. I have never seen a man or woman receive Christ in my old Catholic Church. No man should ever be called father. Ever.....never.. It's just to many things that are against God. This is all about God not nothing else.
One problem with your claim. The early rcc wasn’t in existence until about 400s
Bill, Excellent. Thank you.
Bill, I've been reading my Bible for 40 years after I left the CC. He does not misrepresent the CC. It's very spot on. The CC isn't the only church that believes in works +faith. It's a huge heresy in many churches.
@sptomase *John 20 does not say Roman religion inherited the authority of the APostles to forgive sins though. So where is your proof that it was so? Only self claims?*
*You are still pretending "Roman religion = the Church or Universal Church". Bible does not say so. Neither Jesus. Why do RCs keep making self claims with no proof?*
*Where in the Bible ever says "only mortal sins lead to death"? When Romans 6:23 says "all sins lead to death"?*
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Ok I said I couldn’t watch anymore of this but I had to watch about confession. He’s just lying or doesn’t get it. They did confess their sins. The Bible says ‘who’s sins you forgive are forgiven and who’s sins you retained’. Venial and mortal sins are also talked about in the Bible. It’s very clear. Also he said The Church teaches you can’t go to God. That’s a lie.