Excellent video! 9:20 describes my situation in considering which to buy and I am so impressed you included this little section, along with really good points throughout the video. Subscribed.
Nice video. I'm still very happy with my A7III. It does everything I need and the image quality is very good. I rather spend the money on new lens(es).
Just wanted to say the Vazen Anamorphic Lens made this video look very pleasing and filmic. I hope you use it in future. For those with 21x9 screens, would it be possible to crop the black borders for a full-screen presentation?
well, it comes without any bars right from the camera. the guys added it to play it safe of variety of devices supported by youtube. otherwise, natively you get double your sensor width frame size.
@@ValJedi That's still the "wrong" way of doing it. Just export your video in the correct aspect ratio and let the UA-cam player display it best for the device. Adding black bars to a 16:9 is literally the worst option.
"If you're doing some landscapes, casual portraits, and maybe some wedding work..." Yep that basically describes me right now. I have an a7iii and I shoot about 1-2 weddings a year and do a few portrait sessions too. I have no need to upgrade right now. All I'm really missing is the real time tracking AF. Totally content to wait until the a7V update in a few years time.
Have a look at your wedding work, especially the receptions where you're photographing in the dark at high ISOs and tally up all the out of focus shots. The a7IV would nail focus every time (my a7RIV even does that) with tracking and eye AF. To me, it's well worth the money to have every photo with tack sharp focus.
If that's all you shoot ... then why are you looking to upgrade to an a7v in the future ? btw dusk off your camera occasionally between those only 2 wedding a yr. I question your interest in photography with that lack of workload tbh,
@@drwalka10 he light not be a professional photographer. Or he could be shooting landscapes all the time and does some wedding and portrait from time to time. Who are you to judge ;)
@@huwmorgan51 You have missed shots from receptions with an A7III? I have rarely any missed shots. A7III + 28-75/f2.8 here. AF.C with live preview OFF. Usually ZoneAF. And with primes the focus is only better.
This Video made me feel secure about my decision. I got my A7III for $100 more than an A7C. Coming from a DSLR (non-articulating screen), I’m focused on mastering the many functions as the menus are quite daunting. It’s gonna be a while but so far my pics are improving. Love the compact body and it’s so well built. Thanks Sony and DPReview and to BH for my good deal! 👍
Of course what Chris and Jordan say is spot on. Since I have a few minutes I'll throw in my half penny or two since Chris did suggest the a7r lineup toward the end...I chose a lightly used a7r (first edition) as my very first full-framer a couple months ago for $950. I looked at the $2000 a7iii and of course the more expensive and in-demand brand-new a7iv. The iii and iv of course seemed great, but for more than $1k less I got a great camera that covered my needs. I got a 36mp sensor, weather sealing, durable shell and relatively compact (I have big hands, so the grip is barely even big enough for me). Yes I do have to put up with the click-clack of the a7r's clunky shutter. I believe later a7r models get rid of that issue. Either way when I switch over to my a6000, I hear that single shutter sound and think, "ahhh, just hearing that in my next full-frame will mean I upgraded sufficiently." Lastly, since I'm almost exclusively a landscape photographer, I don't at all care about the special focusing features and those sorts of things. In other words, don't forget about good used gear from a reliable source, or even older but unused models. That's all I can say right now. Great review as always, guys. Stay warm up there, aye?!
I wouldn't touch a used anything with a pole but the difference in the A7R you bought and the a73 is so much different you wouldn't use that thing if you tried one. Ill be going for the A74.
The articulating screen,coloured focus square,bump in resolution,better autofocus,better weather sealing,better grip,better buttons and more customisable……I bought the a7iv and kept my beloved a7iii…..win win.
I've briefly used an a7iv and I can confirm for pro photographers I highly recommend that camera for it is faster in so many ways. For the occasional pro user the iii is still a great choice and very affordable on the used market! To sum up I agree with Chris and Jordan
I had a choice between the A7R4 and A74, I choose the A74 because of the flip screen. I do pet photography and being able to get that low angle in portrait orientation without having to lay down on the ground was the deciding factor.
I’ve just ordered an a7iii to go along side my a9. Got it brand new for just over £1000. No way the upgrades of the a7iv justify double the price to me. For some it might, but I’d rather spend the difference on a decent lens.
Yeah, I'd just go with the A7RIV if I were to pay nearly double the price for it. I mostly shoot extreme focus stacked macro and that high resolution is pretty tempting for me, lol.
@@MomentousGaming got my A9 for 1600 this summer. I do wildlife so it's paired with the 200-600mm I want something I can keep a wide angle or 35mm prime on and the a7iii is perfect for that.
@@TomPhotoix also an a9 user. it was super great as long as u dont need video performance and high megapixel count. AF are still awesome now, resolution is enough for use, but the price was so cheap (at this tier), it was a no brainer.
Great video as always. ONE QUESTION. I was offered a brand new A7R3 for $1900 . I used to have the 7R and loved it. Bought the Canon R5. HATE IT and thinking should I get the7 R3 or the A74? I only do travel / landscape photography!!!! Please HELP!!!
I think the body and menu alone would be worth it. Im always using my sIII for photography because it feels and controls so much nicer. I just hope all the new video stuff from the a7IV will be added to the a7sIII too like focus map or iso auto/manual switch
Thanks for the video but what I don't understand about most all side-by-side reviews is the talk is always about "features", rather than what I would think a [ camera ] is all about - [ IMAGE QUALITY ]. What or which or neither or both camera PRODUCES THE SHARPEST CLEANEST IMAGES?? This is the primary feature of a camera........this has ALWAYS been the most important feature of all cameras since time beginning. And when appraising image quality, one should compared apples to apples, meaning one should use the same, comparable leans on both cameras testing.
I own a Panasonic Gh5 and I want a Sony A7 for milky way photography. So which one is the best for that? - The fully articulated screen of the A7IV is a great reason for me to choose it since most pictures are vertical and with the cam pretty close to the ground. many thanks !!
10-bit video makes this a no-brainer 3rd camera for wedding work, alongside our A7SIIIs. Thanks for the confirmation, because this is my first pre-ordered camera ever!
So many professionals shoot wedding video on 8-bit cameras, and it's fine. I doubt clients would be able to tell the difference. The extra dynamic range that SLog3 provides could come in handy sometimes, but I don't think it's going to make or break a wedding video. I guess if you are using the a7S III, then that could be good for matching. I would only consider 10-bit truly necessary for real cinematic work.
@@danieldougan269 We currently use the A7C as our third camera, and when you compare the 8-bit from it, to the 10-bit SLOG3 from the A7SIII there is a huge difference in color grading. I'm hoping you aren't confusing wedding videos of 7 years ago, with wedding films today. What does "REAL cinematic work" imply? I will happily take and work with SLOG3 footage over 8-bit. It's not much more work in post, and the resulting image, especially at 4k is much more refined. In my mind the client may not be able to tell a difference, but they might be able to sense it; much like over-cranking vs the 180* rule. Plus, at least on the A7SIII, the 10-bit SLOG3 allows us to use the clean 12800 ISO. That IS 100% worth it in all the crazy low-light situations we find ourselves in on a regular basis. We DO light receptions and as much other scenes on the day as we can, but weddings are incredibly fast-paced, and the ability to crank my ISO in SLOG3, especially with the flexibility of 10-bit makes an absolute WORLD of difference. If you don't believe me, you are welcome to watch our wedding films from this year, versus those from last year. I'm willing to bet you can see a difference.
Very good in depth review. Can you pls me. I’m clueless when it field too camera. For someone who isn’t looking to do professional work. I’m looking for a camera that shots pics when I’m travel w good quality. What camera would u recommend for me? Not necessarily the Aiii or AIV. I just want a camera that has good resolution and can shoot moving shots. Also does these two models offer self timer for photography?
im about to jump into full frame for the first time, going from an A6400 (15-50mm) to... what do you guys think? i think i'm gonna buy the A7 IV. Came into PH for videos at the begining.
I had A7RII and while I was planning to buy upcoming A7IV then suddenly i changed my mind and bought EOS R6. After one year I don't regret actually. My biggest complain to Sony is the aspect ratio option for the viewfinder. Cmooon Sony it is just one line of code. We need to adjust it. This is the biggest pros for electronic viewfinder. Anyway, R6 and R5 have this feature and I am totally satisfied. I think on the paper there is nothing better than R6. Maybe extra 10mp but nnneeeehhh, 20 is plenty enough.
I have a nikon d750 and been wanting to go mirrorless. I do studio and outdoors photography mostly portraits editorial/fashion and family portraits.. I’d love ti do some comercial/ cinematic videos too and can’t decide what camara should i be looking into .. sony 7iv or R family .. or do you think nikon z7ii is a good idea ? Thankyou for your reviews. !!
4:15 "33MP over 24 is a substantial increase". No it's not: sqrt(33/24) = 1.17 or 17% increase in linear resolution. Not really much at all from a theoretical standpoint (Nyquist Theorem). But if you don't trust theory, look again at 4:22 or better still, go to one of dpreview's test scenes and you'll only see marginal improvement between 42 and 24mp.
It was a tough choice coming from breaking my r3 not knowing if I should go r4 or for this. I choose this and I'm hoping I don't regret my decision. *Update* I regretted my decision. Lol I returned it after having front focusing issues and problems with the SD card door. My images were very soft
What really impressed me with this review was the video quality of the GH5S, so much so that I didn't really listen too much to what you said about those Sony cameras. Time to upgrade from the G85 I suppose...
Just returned my a7iv, that I waited months to get. Just sitting on my desk for 25 minutes the camera was so hot I couldn’t tough the bottom. The camera was on but not filming. I was working on the menus. Of course it’s on backorder again at B&H. Hope the next one is better
Hey brother what would you recommend for someone doing both photography and video in terms of a single camera and lens(es) if budget/cost was unlimited? So far I am thinking either Sony Alpha 1 (A1), Sony A7IV, or A7SIII . Ignore prices, I looking to buy once/cry once on most versatile camera & lens(es) setup.
Hi, Between A7 IV and A7R IV which one has speedier autofocus acquisition and better tracking and by how much. please help me to make the buying decision, I feel if the AF performance is equal or close then going for higher resolution is better.
Nice comparison. I’m definitely a candidate. I still use my old a7ii so it will be a worthwhile upgrade to skip the iii and go for the iv. I shoot architectural photography at least 4 days a week, 8 to 10 hours a day so any little improvement is a big deal. As capable as the a7iii is, the extra programmable control wheel will eliminate the need to use that fiddly little back wheel, the extra digital stabilizing, better autofocus with more options, touch screen with option to shut it out, higher megapixels and curtain cover for lens changes is more than enough to make me jump to the iv. It’s no contest. 😉
It's weird that they didn't even mention they downgrade from 10fps to 5fps for uncompressed raw, especially considering they recommended upgrading if you are doing sports or wildlife.
Because they're paid by Sony. I hate LCD Resolution, only 5fps uncompressed Raw, Rolling shutter, Distortion in Electronic shutter, 8bit only, soft look FHD 120p. Canon eos r6 win over A7IV with 4k60p less crop like 1.01. 20fps in Electronic shutter. Lcd display Resolution. Color science. I will lens than upgrading this camera
If you get a chance to watch our review of the A7iv itself we absolutely mention this fact. However as a comparison between the older and latest version of the A7 we wanted to show both at there fastest.
This is pretty much always the answer, it is not worthwile to jump from one generation to the next. It was true before, it is still true now. And it's even more true on the Sony platform where the release schedule is so fast, even if it has slowed a bit. It's better just to wait 2 generations then jump, or switch lineup (like going from a7 to a7r or a1).
Something missing from the review: full LA-EA5 compatibility on the IV vs the III. If you want to use the classic Minolta lenses (80-200/2.8 HS cough cough) without a SLT mirror, you would need to buy the A7RIV (both) or the A1 (or a6600 for crop).
for a Sports Photographer struggling to decide between a7r3 or a74. Any suggestions would be helpful. I have a Sony a7iii with Sony 24-105 and a Sony 70-200. My earlier plan was to get one more a7iii and use a 1.4x tc to increase my reach but on research i think getting a a7r3 would help me shoot in Apsc mode which will be similar in resolution and reach.
I came here for some Full Frame advice. The first shot (the desqueeze gag) I told me myself "see, THIS is the quality that I want!"... Then the screen went black and it said this episode was filmed on the Panasonic GH5S. My camera. The one I wanted to upgrade from. Mind blown
I shoot weddings and alot at that, it’s every weekend and some mid week. I use 2 a7iii’s and I don’t miss a shot so a faster autofocus isn’t what I need. I think I’ll invest in better glass before changing cameras. 85 or 135 🤔🤔
I'm looking for a landscape full frame mirrorless camera system in a relatively low weight package. Really don't want to carry a ton of gears.. Nikon Z7 ii is really good for landscape, but their lens seems a bit bulky. Will a7 iv with so many lens collection be a worthwhile compromise? how good are dynamic range and timelapse capability compared to z7 ii?? FYI: I'll be migrating from canon 6D + F4 L lens..
What do you guys recommend as an upgrade from Canon 6d?i am torn between the III RIII and IV. I do mostly photography and 6d just isnt doing it for my street photography and portraits. One day i wana stick to the R6, the other Sony 😂
Uggh, I'm really torn. I have the A7III, and I've been doing more wildlife and birding, which I know the A7III is not great for birding. I feel like the A7IV is a good compromise with better tracking and a bit more MP for cropping. Not sure if the tracking is more on level of the A9II, if it would even be worth it to go A9II. What do you guys think? Should I spend more money and go A9II and get less MP, or is the A7IV a good compromise? Only if the A1 was 2k cheaper haha
@@nickvendetta7906 it has the updated tracking system, if you looking purely for increased autofocus performance for wildlife in full frame, that is your best option. Not necessarily an upgrade but something specific to suit your individual needs. why pay more for an autofocus system than you need to.
@@karaokekingskingdom ahh ok. I understand. That’s one thing I was someone would make a video on. I’m curious how the tracking systems differ - like is the a7c/a7IV tracking the exact same, and how does it compare to the a9II. I’m assuming processor power has something to do with it all too.
Loved it! But okay the X-T4 was better than the A7iii in a video you did a year ago. So how about a new: King of APS-C (X-T4) vs New entry level Sony Full frame A7 IV. Is the £1000 price difference worth it for the full frame? And yes I am ignoring the a7c as that has Sony's old menu system that no one cares for.
Are there any improvements in SOOC JPEG and video quality, most specifically in AWB performance? Is it now as reliable as Canon or Fuji or there is still a problem with green/yellow (sometimes magenta) tint when using AWB?
I've been on the "budget is important" end of the purchasing decision ever since getting into photography as a hobby. If I was brand new to photography, I'd likely go for the least expensive thing that would meet my needs. Is that what I would recommend? No. For all things technology, I suggest spending the most one can afford to purchase the newest technology one can get then promptly, with care, use the daylights out of the gear. If you end up using said gear a lot, you'll be grateful to have good gear if you opt to upgrade years down the line. You would have also squeezed your money's worth out of it if you do use it a lot. I realize this philosophy won't work for everyone, but it might help some with their decision.
Very useful comparison - especially the part where you break it down between a new Sony buyer and the one looking for an upgrade from A7III. Thank you.
If its my first camera. No picture experience. What sony should i go? U mentioned a7 series but i also found a7r and alpha 7c? Or something a7c ?? Can you explain what those are. Im trying to mainly take portraits and ppl pics. Gor the instagram page lol
Great video as usual. Thx guys. I'm now facing a strange sitaution : i've got an old nikon (d300) and I want to switch system. And i really hesitate between the canon R6 or the the sony A 7IV. I prefer the sony's specs, but the canon lenses catalog (even with an adapter) is crazy big, you can find good deals with the second hand market etc. We'll see !
I got an A7S III as my upgrade from APS-C to full frame, but I'm finding 1) I'm not really shooting much video, 2) I feel somewhat hampered by the low still resolution, and 3) (kinda the same issue as 2) because the resolution is so low, I can't effectively re-use any of my APS-C glass. Considering selling it and getting an A7 IV. I'd miss the occasional 4k 120 clip, those always look epic, but like I said that's only an occasional thing for me. What I'm really wondering is if I'd be taking a step back in low light performance. I know they're not really comparable, but I'd greatly appreciate a comparison video between the A7S III and the A7 IV!
For absolute low light, you can't beat the A7s3. But the A74 is surprisingly great for low light. In fact on some ISO comparisons, the A74 had LESS noise than the A7s3. But when pushed to the maxes ( >12800) the A7s3 still beat out the A74 no doubt. So if you are looking at extreme low light conditions and is part of your routine work, I'd stick with the A7s3. But if your workflow deals mostly with occasional low lights, than the A74 would be the way to go. At the end, I think the added versatility of the higher pixel count in beefing up the photo capability of the A74 and the remarkably improve low light performance of the A74 is a great choice. The only that currently concerns me is the occasional overheating issue that I've been hearing about people say about the A74.
Love my A7III...it has served me well over the past couple years, but I do believe I must take the jump. I'm very much a "hybrid shooter"...I do pretty equal parts photo and video. So the bump in resolution would be great for photos and the video upgrades are QUITE substantial...I think it's gotta happen!!
I'm looking to get back into photography again. I'm debating to grab III on the discount or go ahead and grab IV. I know it's a no brainer to get the newest and greatest, just wish the price difference is not so so great...
I grabbed a iii as I have a ii and wanted the IV but the iii was £1269 including a £200 cashback and the IV preorder is like £2399, I'll get £650 for the ii, so modest upgrade cost
@@bovineox1111 iii body was on sales for around 1800 brand new. That's $700 difference... I just can't decide. I know it's a lot more money but I'll probably have a buyer remorse if I don't just go for the new one... but it's still a lot of money... I'll probably just going to wallow in my own indecisiveness forever and never buy...
Random but also a consideration is resale. The iii is holding value 5 years later. But ten years after its release you won’t get much for it whereas selling your iv in 5 years would likely get you a good return.
For me the shutter down function alone is worth it. Sensor dust spots are as annoying as roaches. No matter how hard you try to fix your unit, seal all the open ends, clean your trashcan as often as possible, as long as the building is infected they'll creep in. I even commented on previous DPreview's video where they had a very obvious dust spot during focus breathing test. So it is not about technique. As long as you let open that mount and remove all barriers before the sensor dust will get on it. Some people may be skeptical about using shutter to fence off stuff. But I say, it is only a step towards the right direction. You can always borrow the idea from Z9, and have a special mechanism in front of shutter to automatically come out as long as the mount is detecting a lens twist/off contact. I don't think that is a difficult problem to solve to humanity but instead a rather easy implementation. And honestly speaking I've had my EOS R5 for this long and I never really need to "poke" my shutter while swaping lens in a hurry. Nor do I shoot in condition where hard particles can end up inside the camera.
I bought the A7iii 3 years ago for 12000, the A7iv is selling at 19000. That's insane. The increase is equivalent to over 1000 USD extra. I want one but not that badly haha
![Sony a7 IV vs a7III | 50 Differences! [4K60FPS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HYaRmHmsvRM/mqdefault.jpg)
Before IV, the III was go to for professionals... slight changes and upgrades came up now suddenly its an occasional camera.
I'm a Canadian who's been living in Japan for over 15 years...the pond hockey portion had me rolling!! Thank you guys!
May i ask you.. Why you left Canada
I just wanna thank you guys for freezing your asses off again and again to keep us all warm and well informed. Cheers from sunny California ⛄️
I love very Canadian Chris, more of him please.
And also today's episode looks great, more anamorphic in the future 😍
Agreed!
Excellent video! 9:20 describes my situation in considering which to buy and I am so impressed you included this little section, along with really good points throughout the video. Subscribed.
Just dropping a comment to say that the framing and grade at 4:52 looks absolutely gorgeous. That is all.
I came to say the same.
Shot on GH5S with anamorphic lens.
That anamorphic look
Nice video. I'm still very happy with my A7III. It does everything I need and the image quality is very good.
I rather spend the money on new lens(es).
Same here.
Just wanted to say the Vazen Anamorphic Lens made this video look very pleasing and filmic. I hope you use it in future. For those with 21x9 screens, would it be possible to crop the black borders for a full-screen presentation?
Yea when I saw the anamorphic video I moved the window to my ultrawide... was so disappointed 🤦♂️
well, it comes without any bars right from the camera. the guys added it to play it safe of variety of devices supported by youtube. otherwise, natively you get double your sensor width frame size.
@@ValJedi That's still the "wrong" way of doing it. Just export your video in the correct aspect ratio and let the UA-cam player display it best for the device. Adding black bars to a 16:9 is literally the worst option.
"If you're doing some landscapes, casual portraits, and maybe some wedding work..." Yep that basically describes me right now. I have an a7iii and I shoot about 1-2 weddings a year and do a few portrait sessions too. I have no need to upgrade right now. All I'm really missing is the real time tracking AF. Totally content to wait until the a7V update in a few years time.
Have a look at your wedding work, especially the receptions where you're photographing in the dark at high ISOs and tally up all the out of focus shots. The a7IV would nail focus every time (my a7RIV even does that) with tracking and eye AF. To me, it's well worth the money to have every photo with tack sharp focus.
If that's all you shoot ... then why are you looking to upgrade to an a7v in the future ?
btw dusk off your camera occasionally between those only 2 wedding a yr.
I question your interest in photography with that lack of workload tbh,
@@drwalka10 he light not be a professional photographer. Or he could be shooting landscapes all the time and does some wedding and portrait from time to time. Who are you to judge ;)
@@huwmorgan51 You have missed shots from receptions with an A7III? I have rarely any missed shots. A7III + 28-75/f2.8 here. AF.C with live preview OFF. Usually ZoneAF. And with primes the focus is only better.
Few years = 4 years
Video looking so good, Jordan!
When I have a question about a camera, I always check to see if you have a video out about it before anything else. Love your content!
Never have I ever felt more rewarded for excusing a commentary segue in a review. Had a good laugh, Chris does a great Canadian impression.
Cheers!
good review and i agree with everything except the iso/noise performance. every test chart and image comparison shows the a7iii has less noise.
This Video made me feel secure about my decision. I got my A7III for $100 more than an A7C. Coming from a DSLR (non-articulating screen), I’m focused on mastering the many functions as the menus are quite daunting. It’s gonna be a while but so far my pics are improving. Love the compact body and it’s so well built. Thanks Sony and DPReview and to BH for my good deal! 👍
Looking forward to the review of the Vazen lenses
Couldn't listen to what was said in the video because the shots were all so beautiful! Well done!
Of course what Chris and Jordan say is spot on. Since I have a few minutes I'll throw in my half penny or two since Chris did suggest the a7r lineup toward the end...I chose a lightly used a7r (first edition) as my very first full-framer a couple months ago for $950. I looked at the $2000 a7iii and of course the more expensive and in-demand brand-new a7iv. The iii and iv of course seemed great, but for more than $1k less I got a great camera that covered my needs. I got a 36mp sensor, weather sealing, durable shell and relatively compact (I have big hands, so the grip is barely even big enough for me). Yes I do have to put up with the click-clack of the a7r's clunky shutter. I believe later a7r models get rid of that issue. Either way when I switch over to my a6000, I hear that single shutter sound and think, "ahhh, just hearing that in my next full-frame will mean I upgraded sufficiently." Lastly, since I'm almost exclusively a landscape photographer, I don't at all care about the special focusing features and those sorts of things. In other words, don't forget about good used gear from a reliable source, or even older but unused models. That's all I can say right now. Great review as always, guys. Stay warm up there, aye?!
I wouldn't touch a used anything with a pole but the difference in the A7R you bought and the a73 is so much different you wouldn't use that thing if you tried one. Ill be going for the A74.
3:09 - such great Canadiana! I felt like I was watching Bob & Doug…
The articulating screen,coloured focus square,bump in resolution,better autofocus,better weather sealing,better grip,better buttons and more customisable……I bought the a7iv and kept my beloved a7iii…..win win.
A cam. B cam 😍
Nice video guys! Jordan - loving the Vazen lenses on the GH5. Any chance we can get a review on those?
They already have a review up of the 40mm on the GH5
I have a7c is it worth the upgrade. awesome video guys .
This video looks so good!
I've briefly used an a7iv and I can confirm for pro photographers I highly recommend that camera for it is faster in so many ways. For the occasional pro user the iii is still a great choice and very affordable on the used market! To sum up I agree with Chris and Jordan
I had a choice between the A7R4 and A74, I choose the A74 because of the flip screen. I do pet photography and being able to get that low angle in portrait orientation without having to lay down on the ground was the deciding factor.
I'm thinking of trading my A7r4 for the A74.
Loved the footage!!! 👍
I’ve just ordered an a7iii to go along side my a9. Got it brand new for just over £1000. No way the upgrades of the a7iv justify double the price to me. For some it might, but I’d rather spend the difference on a decent lens.
Yeah, I'd just go with the A7RIV if I were to pay nearly double the price for it. I mostly shoot extreme focus stacked macro and that high resolution is pretty tempting for me, lol.
Used A9 goes for just under £1900, about £500 less than a A7IV, for event/sports shooters (non-video) it's a much better deal.
@@MomentousGaming does the A9 have an AA filter on the sensor?
@@MomentousGaming got my A9 for 1600 this summer. I do wildlife so it's paired with the 200-600mm I want something I can keep a wide angle or 35mm prime on and the a7iii is perfect for that.
@@TomPhotoix also an a9 user. it was super great as long as u dont need video performance and high megapixel count. AF are still awesome now, resolution is enough for use, but the price was so cheap (at this tier), it was a no brainer.
Great video as always. ONE QUESTION. I was offered a brand new A7R3 for $1900 . I used to have the 7R and loved it. Bought the Canon R5. HATE IT and thinking should I get the7 R3 or the A74? I only do travel / landscape photography!!!! Please HELP!!!
Great insight. You answered many of my questions. Well done.
This video helped me a lot. All questions answered. Thank you!
I think the body and menu alone would be worth it. Im always using my sIII for photography because it feels and controls so much nicer. I just hope all the new video stuff from the a7IV will be added to the a7sIII too like focus map or iso auto/manual switch
what makes the s version better for you?
Amazing quality video from Jordan
Really great video man finally somone that gives good reasons
Thanks for the video but what I don't understand about most all side-by-side reviews is the talk is always about "features", rather than what I would think a [ camera ] is all about - [ IMAGE QUALITY ]. What or which or neither or both camera PRODUCES THE SHARPEST CLEANEST IMAGES?? This is the primary feature of a camera........this has ALWAYS been the most important feature of all cameras since time beginning. And when appraising image quality, one should compared apples to apples, meaning one should use the same, comparable leans on both cameras testing.
the intro is so lovely!
Diggin the results on that Anamorphic lens! What gloves are you guys wearing, I recently just ordered some from Vallerret.
It's just so good when you explain the things outdoor.
Looking to upgrade from a canon 80D between these two cameras good video thinking the a7III might be suitable for and my landscape shooting
The GH5S footage looks really nice Jordan.
I own a Panasonic Gh5 and I want a Sony A7 for milky way photography. So which one is the best for that? - The fully articulated screen of the A7IV is a great reason for me to choose it since most pictures are vertical and with the cam pretty close to the ground. many thanks !!
I love the video on this episode.
It just looks amazing
dope video man, love the work you put into this guys! merry xmas!
10-bit video makes this a no-brainer 3rd camera for wedding work, alongside our A7SIIIs. Thanks for the confirmation, because this is my first pre-ordered camera ever!
So many professionals shoot wedding video on 8-bit cameras, and it's fine. I doubt clients would be able to tell the difference. The extra dynamic range that SLog3 provides could come in handy sometimes, but I don't think it's going to make or break a wedding video. I guess if you are using the a7S III, then that could be good for matching.
I would only consider 10-bit truly necessary for real cinematic work.
@@danieldougan269 We currently use the A7C as our third camera, and when you compare the 8-bit from it, to the 10-bit SLOG3 from the A7SIII there is a huge difference in color grading.
I'm hoping you aren't confusing wedding videos of 7 years ago, with wedding films today. What does "REAL cinematic work" imply?
I will happily take and work with SLOG3 footage over 8-bit. It's not much more work in post, and the resulting image, especially at 4k is much more refined.
In my mind the client may not be able to tell a difference, but they might be able to sense it; much like over-cranking vs the 180* rule.
Plus, at least on the A7SIII, the 10-bit SLOG3 allows us to use the clean 12800 ISO. That IS 100% worth it in all the crazy low-light situations we find ourselves in on a regular basis. We DO light receptions and as much other scenes on the day as we can, but weddings are incredibly fast-paced, and the ability to crank my ISO in SLOG3, especially with the flexibility of 10-bit makes an absolute WORLD of difference.
If you don't believe me, you are welcome to watch our wedding films from this year, versus those from last year. I'm willing to bet you can see a difference.
Great review, well explained!!!
Very good in depth review. Can you pls me. I’m clueless when it field too camera. For someone who isn’t looking to do professional work. I’m looking for a camera that shots pics when I’m travel w good quality. What camera would u recommend for me? Not necessarily the Aiii or AIV. I just want a camera that has good resolution and can shoot moving shots. Also does these two models offer self timer for photography?
im about to jump into full frame for the first time, going from an A6400 (15-50mm) to... what do you guys think? i think i'm gonna buy the A7 IV. Came into PH for videos at the begining.
I jumped from the a6400 to the sony a7iv and absolutely am in love.
I had A7RII and while I was planning to buy upcoming A7IV then suddenly i changed my mind and bought EOS R6. After one year I don't regret actually. My biggest complain to Sony is the aspect ratio option for the viewfinder. Cmooon Sony it is just one line of code. We need to adjust it. This is the biggest pros for electronic viewfinder. Anyway, R6 and R5 have this feature and I am totally satisfied.
I think on the paper there is nothing better than R6. Maybe extra 10mp but nnneeeehhh, 20 is plenty enough.
I have a nikon d750 and been wanting to go mirrorless. I do studio and outdoors photography mostly portraits editorial/fashion and family portraits.. I’d love ti do some comercial/ cinematic videos too and can’t decide what camara should i be looking into .. sony 7iv or R family .. or do you think nikon z7ii is a good idea ?
Thankyou for your reviews. !!
4:15 "33MP over 24 is a substantial increase".
No it's not: sqrt(33/24) = 1.17 or 17% increase in linear resolution. Not really much at all from a theoretical standpoint (Nyquist Theorem). But if you don't trust theory, look again at 4:22 or better still, go to one of dpreview's test scenes and you'll only see marginal improvement between 42 and 24mp.
It was a tough choice coming from breaking my r3 not knowing if I should go r4 or for this. I choose this and I'm hoping I don't regret my decision. *Update* I regretted my decision. Lol I returned it after having front focusing issues and problems with the SD card door. My images were very soft
What did you decide on instead?
What really impressed me with this review was the video quality of the GH5S, so much so that I didn't really listen too much to what you said about those Sony cameras. Time to upgrade from the G85 I suppose...
You videos shot on your Panasonic always look extremely good.
Just returned my a7iv, that I waited months to get. Just sitting on my desk for 25 minutes the camera was so hot I couldn’t tough the bottom. The camera was on but not filming. I was working on the menus. Of course it’s on backorder again at B&H. Hope the next one is better
Hey brother what would you recommend for someone doing both photography and video in terms of a single camera and lens(es) if budget/cost was unlimited?
So far I am thinking either Sony Alpha 1 (A1), Sony A7IV, or A7SIII .
Ignore prices, I looking to buy once/cry once on most versatile camera & lens(es) setup.
Great video, you should do Sony A7 IV vs. Panasonic s5
All well and good, but the best part of this video is definitely Chris gloves!
Hi, Between A7 IV and A7R IV which one has speedier autofocus acquisition and better tracking and by how much. please help me to make the buying decision, I feel if the AF performance is equal or close then going for higher resolution is better.
Very well structured and commented video. Awesome work guys!
Whooo! The GH5s looks glorious 🙌 gonna go hug my GH5 and G9s lol been neglecting them for the Sonys lately
I was thinking the same. Why do i need a fullframe when M43 delivers such a punch??
Nice comparison. I’m definitely a candidate. I still use my old a7ii so it will be a worthwhile upgrade to skip the iii and go for the iv. I shoot architectural photography at least 4 days a week, 8 to 10 hours a day so any little improvement is a big deal.
As capable as the a7iii is, the extra programmable control wheel will eliminate the need to use that fiddly little back wheel, the extra digital stabilizing, better autofocus with more options, touch screen with option to shut it out, higher megapixels and curtain cover for lens changes is more than enough to make me jump to the iv. It’s no contest. 😉
Best comparison video imo
Here is my dilemma: should I spend the money on the a7IV or a new MacBook Pro which can blaze through video editing from the Sony cams? What to do?
I am thinking the same thing, hmmm not sure what to do.
It's weird that they didn't even mention they downgrade from 10fps to 5fps for uncompressed raw, especially considering they recommended upgrading if you are doing sports or wildlife.
Because they're paid by Sony. I hate LCD Resolution, only 5fps uncompressed Raw, Rolling shutter, Distortion in Electronic shutter, 8bit only, soft look FHD 120p. Canon eos r6 win over A7IV with 4k60p less crop like 1.01. 20fps in Electronic shutter. Lcd display Resolution. Color science. I will lens than upgrading this camera
If you get a chance to watch our review of the A7iv itself we absolutely mention this fact. However as a comparison between the older and latest version of the A7 we wanted to show both at there fastest.
Lossless compressed though!!
@@906Roofer Lossless and uncompressed raw. this camera is not worth to upgrade from previous model.
@@pematamang9268 I have an A7RII so for me it will be!
This is pretty much always the answer, it is not worthwile to jump from one generation to the next. It was true before, it is still true now.
And it's even more true on the Sony platform where the release schedule is so fast, even if it has slowed a bit. It's better just to wait 2 generations then jump, or switch lineup (like going from a7 to a7r or a1).
Something missing from the review: full LA-EA5 compatibility on the IV vs the III. If you want to use the classic Minolta lenses (80-200/2.8 HS cough cough) without a SLT mirror, you would need to buy the A7RIV (both) or the A1 (or a6600 for crop).
for a Sports Photographer struggling to decide between a7r3 or a74. Any suggestions would be helpful.
I have a Sony a7iii with Sony 24-105 and a Sony 70-200. My earlier plan was to get one more a7iii and use a 1.4x tc to increase my reach but on research i think getting a a7r3 would help me shoot in Apsc mode which will be similar in resolution and reach.
Really well done video! Love the ranking system...Great work guys!
Loved the Canadadiana segment aye 🍁
I came here for some Full Frame advice. The first shot (the desqueeze gag) I told me myself "see, THIS is the quality that I want!"...
Then the screen went black and it said this episode was filmed on the Panasonic GH5S.
My camera.
The one I wanted to upgrade from.
Mind blown
I shoot weddings and alot at that, it’s every weekend and some mid week. I use 2 a7iii’s and I don’t miss a shot so a faster autofocus isn’t what I need. I think I’ll invest in better glass before changing cameras. 85 or 135 🤔🤔
$2499 can buy me some exotic glass if I chose to stick with my existing A7III. Thanks guys, your review just prevented this 💸!
I'm looking for a landscape full frame mirrorless camera system in a relatively low weight package.
Really don't want to carry a ton of gears..
Nikon Z7 ii is really good for landscape, but their lens seems a bit bulky.
Will a7 iv with so many lens collection be a worthwhile compromise?
how good are dynamic range and timelapse capability compared to z7 ii??
FYI: I'll be migrating from canon 6D + F4 L lens..
What do you guys recommend as an upgrade from Canon 6d?i am torn between the III RIII and IV.
I do mostly photography and 6d just isnt doing it for my street photography and portraits.
One day i wana stick to the R6, the other Sony 😂
Loving the GH5S video colors. Great stuff
This is SUPER helpful!
Uggh, I'm really torn. I have the A7III, and I've been doing more wildlife and birding, which I know the A7III is not great for birding. I feel like the A7IV is a good compromise with better tracking and a bit more MP for cropping. Not sure if the tracking is more on level of the A9II, if it would even be worth it to go A9II.
What do you guys think? Should I spend more money and go A9II and get less MP, or is the A7IV a good compromise?
Only if the A1 was 2k cheaper haha
Get the cheaper a7c for wildlife
I would look into a used A9II.
@@karaokekingskingdom I already have the a7III, not much of an upgrade.
@@nickvendetta7906 it has the updated tracking system, if you looking purely for increased autofocus performance for wildlife in full frame, that is your best option. Not necessarily an upgrade but something specific to suit your individual needs. why pay more for an autofocus system than you need to.
@@karaokekingskingdom ahh ok. I understand. That’s one thing I was someone would make a video on. I’m curious how the tracking systems differ - like is the a7c/a7IV tracking the exact same, and how does it compare to the a9II. I’m assuming processor power has something to do with it all too.
Loved it! But okay the X-T4 was better than the A7iii in a video you did a year ago. So how about a new: King of APS-C (X-T4) vs New entry level Sony Full frame A7 IV. Is the £1000 price difference worth it for the full frame? And yes I am ignoring the a7c as that has Sony's old menu system that no one cares for.
Great, professional job as ever guys 👍
I didn’t pay attention to anything Chris said, just enjoyed the anamorphic wide video experience. It’s something about it
Are there any improvements in SOOC JPEG and video quality, most specifically in AWB performance? Is it now as reliable as Canon or Fuji or there is still a problem with green/yellow (sometimes magenta) tint when using AWB?
Great breakdown fellas! 👏🦖
7:57 - OK Jordan, what's the story with the Stillwater shirt? (resident Okie)
I've been on the "budget is important" end of the purchasing decision ever since getting into photography as a hobby. If I was brand new to photography, I'd likely go for the least expensive thing that would meet my needs. Is that what I would recommend? No. For all things technology, I suggest spending the most one can afford to purchase the newest technology one can get then promptly, with care, use the daylights out of the gear. If you end up using said gear a lot, you'll be grateful to have good gear if you opt to upgrade years down the line. You would have also squeezed your money's worth out of it if you do use it a lot. I realize this philosophy won't work for everyone, but it might help some with their decision.
lol.....
Very useful comparison - especially the part where you break it down between a new Sony buyer and the one looking for an upgrade from A7III. Thank you.
If its my first camera. No picture experience. What sony should i go? U mentioned a7 series but i also found a7r and alpha 7c? Or something a7c ??
Can you explain what those are. Im trying to mainly take portraits and ppl pics. Gor the instagram page lol
Great video as usual. Thx guys.
I'm now facing a strange sitaution : i've got an old nikon (d300) and I want to switch system. And i really hesitate between the canon R6 or the the sony A 7IV. I prefer the sony's specs, but the canon lenses catalog (even with an adapter) is crazy big, you can find good deals with the second hand market etc.
We'll see !
Which lens have you used for these videos, it looked amazing.
If you didn't have any camera, which would you choose? mainly if you work with videos. A7III or A7IV?
I love the animorphic lens to use to shoot this video
I got an A7S III as my upgrade from APS-C to full frame, but I'm finding 1) I'm not really shooting much video, 2) I feel somewhat hampered by the low still resolution, and 3) (kinda the same issue as 2) because the resolution is so low, I can't effectively re-use any of my APS-C glass. Considering selling it and getting an A7 IV. I'd miss the occasional 4k 120 clip, those always look epic, but like I said that's only an occasional thing for me. What I'm really wondering is if I'd be taking a step back in low light performance. I know they're not really comparable, but I'd greatly appreciate a comparison video between the A7S III and the A7 IV!
For absolute low light, you can't beat the A7s3. But the A74 is surprisingly great for low light. In fact on some ISO comparisons, the A74 had LESS noise than the A7s3. But when pushed to the maxes ( >12800) the A7s3 still beat out the A74 no doubt. So if you are looking at extreme low light conditions and is part of your routine work, I'd stick with the A7s3. But if your workflow deals mostly with occasional low lights, than the A74 would be the way to go. At the end, I think the added versatility of the higher pixel count in beefing up the photo capability of the A74 and the remarkably improve low light performance of the A74 is a great choice. The only that currently concerns me is the occasional overheating issue that I've been hearing about people say about the A74.
Love my A7III...it has served me well over the past couple years, but I do believe I must take the jump. I'm very much a "hybrid shooter"...I do pretty equal parts photo and video. So the bump in resolution would be great for photos and the video upgrades are QUITE substantial...I think it's gotta happen!!
use canon r6
@@djicj4643 Nope. The overheating is a deal breaker. 20MP sucks, too.
Hi Chris, I like the bag you are carrying around. Please post the name in the description. Thanks!
I'm looking to get back into photography again. I'm debating to grab III on the discount or go ahead and grab IV. I know it's a no brainer to get the newest and greatest, just wish the price difference is not so so great...
I grabbed a iii as I have a ii and wanted the IV but the iii was £1269 including a £200 cashback and the IV preorder is like £2399, I'll get £650 for the ii, so modest upgrade cost
@@bovineox1111 iii body was on sales for around 1800 brand new. That's $700 difference... I just can't decide. I know it's a lot more money but I'll probably have a buyer remorse if I don't just go for the new one... but it's still a lot of money...
I'll probably just going to wallow in my own indecisiveness forever and never buy...
Man that anamorphic is NICE. Need to get more of that on UA-cam vids.
I have ultra wide uhd monitor the the video still came in boarded, i wonder why...thought the amorphic lens has a bonus in the area
Random but also a consideration is resale. The iii is holding value 5 years later. But ten years after its release you won’t get much for it whereas selling your iv in 5 years would likely get you a good return.
Shot on the GH5S...I just bought an S1H...any recommendations on anamorphic lenses for the S1H? I have the EF adapter, if that helps.
For me the shutter down function alone is worth it. Sensor dust spots are as annoying as roaches. No matter how hard you try to fix your unit, seal all the open ends, clean your trashcan as often as possible, as long as the building is infected they'll creep in. I even commented on previous DPreview's video where they had a very obvious dust spot during focus breathing test. So it is not about technique. As long as you let open that mount and remove all barriers before the sensor dust will get on it. Some people may be skeptical about using shutter to fence off stuff. But I say, it is only a step towards the right direction. You can always borrow the idea from Z9, and have a special mechanism in front of shutter to automatically come out as long as the mount is detecting a lens twist/off contact. I don't think that is a difficult problem to solve to humanity but instead a rather easy implementation. And honestly speaking I've had my EOS R5 for this long and I never really need to "poke" my shutter while swaping lens in a hurry. Nor do I shoot in condition where hard particles can end up inside the camera.
What a great cinematography. Just a neat video. Preaty helpful too!
I bought the A7iii 3 years ago for 12000, the A7iv is selling at 19000. That's insane. The increase is equivalent to over 1000 USD extra. I want one but not that badly haha