I rode the R7 in the city for 5 hours...here's what I learned
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I don't think anyone is going to buy a supersport for city riding (or at least I don't think they will), but regardless of what makes sense I know many of you guys looking into the R7 will be riding, to at least some degree inside of a city setting. With this in mind I torture my body again for the betterment of science and today, I'm riding the Yamaha R7 around Atlanta, Ga to see how well it does.
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Imagine willingly going to atlanta for anything, much less to ride a bike around for hours. We appreciate the sacrifices you make for us.
I went there for business, my first time in the US, and I never want to go to the US again.
There are 48 states, and numerous cities in the USA... ATLANTA is the last place I want to ever visit willingly!
What’s wrong with Atlanta?
i went there for a concert a few weeks ago...didnt really know much about the city...hated it, hated it, hated it
@@orrdon0397 everything and its people
From personal experience, after 5 hours on my R7 I experience the following. Leg cramps, back cramps, wrist cramps, but the most important and impactful is… Tons of smiles and laughs and honestly that far outweighs the negatives.
I’m coming from a Cbr500r and I was looking into r7 would u say its a good “powerful” bike ?
@@CarlaVidal-hg9jqwhy don't you get cbr650r?
@@manashroy6731Im looking into either the cbr650r or r7 ,
And I liked the r7 better because of that sport lean vs the CBR ,
Which one do u have ?
Yeah the problem is you could ride a naked bike or an adv bike and still have a lot of fun without the cramps.
Riding super sports comes down to conditioning, the more you do the easier it is. I'll never give up my R1 seating posture, I love it.
Like that guy that only rides R1s and uses it as a adventure bike, riding around the world.
yup, the only bikes I’ve ever ridden are supersports, sitting on anything else feels off and extremely uncomfortable.
I just got the R7 and I love it! I drive a ‘19 3500 not dually but still rough and the R7 is so smooth to me. You’re right about the power delivery.
19:11 "...here on the Chainsaw 2 Wheels channel..." I can't unhear it.
OC: City sport bike commuter here. Narrow clip on bars are great for filtering through tight gaps. With wide bars I feel goofy and if I sneeze I end up in the next lane.
I love my MT-03 around the city. I also just rode it from Kalamazoo, MI to Cleveland, OH and back in a weekend, so there's that.
Been watching this channel over the few days, and it’s brilliant…so much information and so many different reviews and scenario’s
A very happy subscriber here, and no doubt you have 1000’s who agree
OC- I can't wait to get mine. The style is so choice!
Don't have a bike yet but you are doing a great job convincing me throughout your videos! I only have a Super73 but that has made me addicted to bike videos now. OC
OC: My commute is 90% highway, 30mi one way. I had an '09 R6 and it was just too uncomfortable for me, especially if I hit traffic. The clutch on that thing was WAY too stiff. My '14 FZ-09 is leaps and bounds better for my commute and it's pretty good on the longer rides. I took it from Mesa, AZ to Flagstaff, AZ and my butt was sore but it was way better than had I been on a SS of any kind. To me, SS bikes are a great 2nd bike. Have your comfy commuter and a canyon carver if you can.
U just chose 1 of the most uncomfortable bikes made...all the others have lower seats and higher clip ons. Yamahas are track oriented.
I live near San Fran i have around 3.3K miles on the R7. lots of commuting as well as canyon riding. I have been riding for about 4 months now. had an R3 before this and honestly this bike is exactly how you describe it. The OEM suspension tune was very stiff and I had alot of speed wobbles going fast on the freeway. So i highly suggest anyone who does by this find a nearby suspension tuner and get it tuned makes the ride a little bit more bumpy but defiantly worth it. Also the bike does really well with high winds! I live near a pass of windmills with 30+mph winds and have rode this bike though that no problem. Ah last but not least. Don't get me wrong battleaxe is an amazing tire but i usually ride in the mornings and I have a tough time warming these puppies up(OEM Tires). IF you were to get the bike before winter time I would suggest getting some wet tires. Another benefit that i have noticed is that there are several mod parts that are similar. such as you can use the tail section and the windscreen section from the R6 on the R7. I just recently installed the PUIG racing windscreen also the integrated tail ligt from the R6 is the same. Also another huge aspect of why the R7 is so great especially here in CA where lane filtering/splitting is allowed. It is so thin and that being said you have more margin for error when placing the bike and finding escape routes.
Dave Moss Tuning live in San Fran I think. He is doing his R7 project right now. Do you know him or has your R7 tuning by him?
@@ScreamingReel500 He tuned my R7 to my weight and riding. The way he does it is you sign up for track day where he is at and then he will tune your bike after each session you ride. (I did it at thunder hill east) The track tune makes you feel the road more but it definitely helps with he front end more planted on the ground.
It should be stiff... only enough for your weight
I also have an R3 and thinking of upgrading to R7. Is the seating position bearable?
U went from an r3 to an r7 within 4 months? That sounds expensive lol
I live in a medium size city and commute often so back in' 19 I got a Honda cb500x...it's a commuters dream....does everything right for city environment. I got my paws on a '22 MT09 sp in June to compliment my cb and its pretty good city bike too.
just bought my R7 yesterday . . Lovin your vids bro
OC: if city only i would honestly get something small like a monkey, grom or a ruckus. no point on getting a super sport for stop and go traffic.
It's not a super sport the R7 but the riding position is not the best for normal riding. Especially around town.
I use a DR200 in town. Under 300 lb and goes over 60 with me on it. 55 miles per gallon and I can usually outrun people to stop lights. Perfect city bike
Within the city - yes, but if you have to commute to the city, get a 200 or 250
Your videos might be the only ones on youtube I itch for to drop lol!
I'm in love with my CBR650R. It has more than enough power for city riding and highways. The seating position is super comfortable. Its an amazing motorcycle.
Was looking into the r7 but went for the black cbr 650 instead. Glad I did bikes been amazing over past month. Definitely not “cruiser” comfortable but does a pretty damn good job.
Also does a good job at basically everything else, corners, highway, commuter ergonomics. Jack of all trades , master of none and that is perfectly good for me … plus you know inline 4 :)
@@jared123123 Yeah man. Glad to hear you are enjoying that bad boy in black. 😉 I agree its not a cruiser comfortable type of bike but for a sports bike... its got killer looks and its aggressive enough for the streets and highways. If at anytime you feel like you want a little more power, get a full exhaust system with a dyno. Thats what I did. Its a great bike that will give you years of enjoyment and reliability.
@@oscarmaldonado2826 Hey oscar just wondering if you know how much more it hp it does give?
over 100?
@@Adam-wr7ucit’s about 21 more hp
I've owned mine in NYC since early march and i daily ride it everyday, only thing i dislike is the suspension on soft setting other than that its very comfortable, burns gas like my 2020 Harley sportster but it deff is a lot of fun and very easy to get used to
I live in cobb county Georgia and I always find it so weird that when you ride out I always recognize the highway and roads you take 🤣
OC- I stumbled across your video in my journey for my second bike, my first was a ninja 250 so I’ve kinda enjoyed the sporty feel, and the R7 is looking like my next maiden
Iv been in mine for 3 hours a couple of times obviously with a little break and felt no pains. It wasn't city riding inly but in general was fine and um a softy😄😊👏
OC: I want the 60th GP anniversary edition of this bike! I would ride in both the city, for riding to work, and long weekend rips north of my city up into the country where there are plenty of twisty secondary highways.
My mod list is....JL designs fender eliminator and integrated turn signal/tail light, rear seat cowl, Womet tech frame sliders + front and rear axle sliders/spools, TST industries halo side marker/turn signals + rear Chain tensioners, rizoma stealth mirrors, MT07 SC Project CRT exhaust, clear tank grips, and a custom red & white Alcantara seat of some kind.
OC: I've pretty much only ever riden supersport bikes. Outside of a Triumph Bonneville. It's been supersport/sportbikes for me. But honestly the new Aprilia RS660 is probably my next bike, but the Tuono 660 would definitely be the one my back would pick.
OC, thanks for the video! I'm currently looking for a bike and this helped me
OC-Bought the special anniversary addition, added the MTO7 exhaust, quick shifter, fender eliminator. Arrives in April. Have not rode one yet lol. I will love it no matter what!
This is exactly what I want!! What MT07 exhaust did you get? I want the SC Project CRT.....the little short one that sits in the stock position.....I like the look and sound of the little beer can sized muffler! 🤣🤣🤣
i started on an R7 just wasnt fast enough for me so upgraded to a m1000rr, wish i started on the bmw, just respect your bike and the road and you can start on anything
Damn I hope we get this much content when the R9 finally (hopefully) comes out.
That’s the plan if and when it comes out
I've been hearing rumors about the R9, I think we will get it soon
I hope we get an r8
I hope we hear about one soon, was going to upgrade bikes for the 2022 riding season, but if there's an R9 coming I am absolutely waiting for that.
r9 sounds dumb, whats the point
OC: Chase I'm so thankful you did this video. I agree, roads in Metro Atlanta suck and at 15:16 you rode by my office. I have a 45 minute commute from the suburbs to downtown and was planning on using my R7 when it gets here. This video gave me an outstanding idea of what to expect from Downtown Atlanta riding.
Glad it could be so helpful!
OC: I love supersport bikes. But for me, I feel more comfortable on an upright naked bike/streetfighter.
OC: If my primary stomping grounds were in the city I would definitely have a naked bike for the more upright seating, slightly wider handle bars (as opposed to clip-ons) for better slow speed control and better visibility. Thankfully I’m not in the city and have mostly open road/back road riding where I live. ✌️
O.C. yes indeed I would based on the light weight compared to other 600 supersport bikes, fan keepd the heat down, excellent power when neesed and linear delivery as also excellent look as it other Yamaha offerings.
just started watching the video but I must say this is a beautiful machine!
It dose such a good job of basically everything with no compromise. Available now at your closest Yamaha dealership.
Always a compromise. With everything.
Really appreciate that you upload a lot of R7 content, definitely helps a lot. It seems like you really like the R7, and planning to get one maybe??
Seeing as he says that a few times over multiple videos... LOL!
Love to see you do these kind of tests on a T7
I used to commute in central London on a Daytona 675, man I loved that bike but city riding is a nightmare!
Me in Houston lol
kudos to the camera man who filmed absolutely stunning flybys.
I am sort of chuckling - I applaud your video, but it made me flash back to when driving my bike some 40 years ago, in Manhattan and NY areas.
In watching your frontal view and speaking of the roads, I thought back years ago to 2nd Avenue. Today, Im still trying to figure how some MSF best practices can apply in that kind of city traffic.
In NYC, you are to move like a stampede of Buffalo, where ready to handle your exception conditions like double parked trucks, and simultaneously you must lift off your seat to ride the Pot hole out, etc -
It also made me think back to when my wife was young, and we'd hop on 'Beauty' and loop Manhattan when the traffic was off hours. We would launch out of Soho to the West Side, and the loop south going up the east side, or loop west, and then follow up the west side till reaching the George Washington Bridge. You would launch onto the Cross County, for a few moments just to exit at the Harlem river drive that would take you south back to the FDR -
Motorcycle safety or how to drive in the city back then were not cognitive events -
Been watching you since yummi a long time ago.
I am looking forward for this baby.
I think this Yamaha r7 will be good for me. I live in a little city, and literally anything you could possibly want is like 5-35 mins away at the max. But, I also plan on doing some freeway ripping with my friends. Also, plan on taking it to the drag strip for fun. This is bike also at a great price point, and I’m a senior in high school that works at chick fil a, so price matters to me haha. that’s why I think it’s good for me
This costs more than an r6
@@copy4862 No it doesnt lol R7 was specifically made to be cheaper which also means a bit slower than R6.
Good on you im also working to get this bike. Get whatever is cool to you thats all that matters
@@SeudXe I’ve since realized I needed something faster lol. I no longer work at chick fil a, I’m in the auto detailing industry now. No bike yet, as I need the money for my truck bills and my detailing supply’s. I Still want a bike tho, hopefully sometime in the near future I’ll have one.
why don't u buy a scooter and save a ton of cash
I used to ride my GSXR back and forth to work and the store every day, and now I have a 2015 Z1000 that I do the same thing on.
OC I'd love to grab one for a track toy. Rode my R6 around Honolulu for years and it wasn't terrible.
OC: definitely would not get a supersport for city riding. On my Ninja 300, I run into my clutch hand and fingers cramping while in traffic on 85/285/400 and my seat isn't all too comfy on longer rides. I'd probably go the grom/z125 route for city riding.
Personally I’ve ridden in the city here in NYC and it’s tiring. Definitely I would do the MT 09.
The bike isn't designed to be ridden upright like chase is now. Even if you ride it in the city, Scoot back all the way into the seat and have your head near the tank instead of near the top of the windshield. It will save comfort points. You dont need blind spot vision in the city as much as busy highway driving.
I live in a medium size town with a lot of country twisty roads. I'm going with an R7. OC
I don't live in the city thank God but if I traveled to the city for a meet up I'd get an R7. I've a Honda NC700X, owned a Kawasaki Z1000 & owned a Yamaha Road Star 1600 and and drove to Tampa FL with all. The Z1000 has been the most comfortable for me. I'd do an R7 for the power band and the cruising aspect.
great video, if I were to own another motorcycle, I'd want something really sporty... whole idea is that the daily driver is comfy... my weekend sport bike should be high performance
I used to daily ride a CBR 1000RR rain or shine so there's definitely inconveniences 😅
but hey to each their own, now that I'm older I'd have the comfortable daily and the Superbike ready for the weekend
Because a supersport is pure performance!
OC . I WOULD NOT DRIVE A MOTORCYCLE IN THE CITY !! TO MANY CRAZY PEOPLE. YOUR BRAVER THAN ME!
Hi Chase, nice reviews , I was paying attn at minute 6:30 ish where you mentioned having a bike that shifts in neutral easily is so good, I totally agree with you and for that matter I love Honda's gearboxes. This summer I've ridden KTM and Husqvarna ( Adventure segment) found their gearboxes a bit of a hassle to find neutral from 1st gear and 2nd gear. I've mentioned that to a couple of people and I was corrected by someone that said Adventure/ Dual Sport bikes are supposed to be like that for better off-road purposes. I cannot find anything on the internet regarding this. What do you think ?
8:24 nice edit for the red ;)
thank you for this video
The clutch is the first thing you will notice in city rides. I commute 10 miles everyday, which takes 1.5 hours each time, in the city with highest traffic congestion in Asia. If your clutch is hard to pull, you would want to cut off your fingers after going home. I had to upgrade my Gixxer's clutch into Hydraulic due to the pain in my wrist and fingers. Leaning position doesn't matter much as you get used to it after few weeks at best.
1.5 hours for 10 miles?
@@Oblivion4700 Yes, you can imagine the traffic and amount of braking and clutch pressing.
@@tanvirahmad5893 That is crazy! Must be tiring
@@Oblivion4700 Yes, cons of living in a crowded city. But its still the fastest way to move around here. With so much traffic and lane filtering being legal, motorcycles are the fastest mode of transport.
City: Dhaka, Bangladesh.
ive riden both the r7 and mt07. That engine is a blast in the fz07 but feels incomplete in a super sport package.
OC - nope, not a city bike, but ok to travel into the city. Techy stuff, camera car video settings or post production, the highway motion blur 🙂
I lived in a city and yes I would buy that bike because I would only ride through town until I get to open rodes
Great motorcycle bro
The muscles that are used to pull the clutch are the forearm flexors and tensors. Unless you are operating an unusually hard clutch, you should not have plain in the fingers. If I spend too much time pulling the clutch in the city, it’s the fore arm tensors that are the problem for me.
I’ve found I only care about neutral on sport bikes and when hot starting a kick only bike. The rest of my bikes only ever see neutral when I am pushing them.
Man im 6’4 and just sat on a ninja 650 and feel like this bike is smaller and the r7 is what I want!
Recommendation. I am looking to purchase a liter bike that I can ride to work on. (Highway) Then take to the track for track days. I am 5’9” 230lbs. OC.
R7 is my daily rider in the city and I love it . great choice . But I don't sit in traffic
11:56 bro getting tailed by a tinted beamer with broken headlights🤣
Love how that guy at the crosswalk almost walked right in front of you people seriously need to pay more attention
10:40 dude that wasnt for no reason, that black car was trying to go straight through the car stopped in the middle of the intersection trying to do a left turn. That happens so much in crowded cities and half the time, cars dont even put on their blinkers when they do this (which is super annoying and dangerous) but yea... prepare for the worst in every situation.
technically, it was for no reason. They didn't even need to do that.
The thumbnail 😂😂😂 good shd
Just starting video so if you answer this in the video my bad. This is the first time I have even heard of the R7, is this like the Yamaha version of the Kawi 636 or like a suz 750 or is this just a 650 geared slightly bigger bike? I am SO CURIOUUS lol.
Oc. I would buy an R7 for city because most ppl won't ride in a city for several hrs nonstop. So for general riding i think it would be fine. That said I'm also looking at a Ninja 650 because of the body position factor. It's definitely more upright than the R7
After owning 600rr screamer I know r7's not super sports but not far to but I would need 100 bhp would spot on the r7 dose look nice
When you shift to neutral from 1srt or 2nd gear don't use the clutch it won't skip the neutral
It does... of course you must be rolling atleast 5mph
Would bar risers help with the ergonomics of the bike?
I love this bike. How do I tell Yamaha to launch this bike in my country?🥺
Im amazed how good your 2nd camera, its not the same clip i guess? What i mean is its not realtime record of your vlog?
What's the (MPG) gas like in the city vs hwy?
OC - I love the lengths you go to to thoroughly test your bikes. I think your review has confirmed the R7 as not being My next bike, but still love the direction yamaha is going, and how they are staying on the pulse of what people are asking for. I saw a post of someone hinting an R9, is this something people are after?
And I think you are one of the few remaining mainstream you tuber holdouts advocating for clicking into neutral at redlights. I’m a naked bike guy, can anyone enlighten me, is this super common on sport bikes, or right across the board?
you should stay in gear when in traffic in case you have to gtfo
I think a lot of sport bikes put it in neutral at lights so they can sit up and stretch without hunching over holding the clutch in.
Maybe for those dudes over seas that have motor restrictions fine….but I don’t see this bike being a strong seller. It’s an entry level motor in a super sport style package. Not strong enough to be competitive and not comfortable enough to enjoy cruising on the streets. Pointless
That explains why they’re so hard to come by
OC a sv650 would be plenty for a in city only
OC: i daily commute a 2003 r1 since the end of June without too many problems.
Lol that looks like a ghost town compared to LA, imagine the anxiety while riding around here
Mt10 is city beast. Gas mileage sucks but it's comfy fast and fun.
(OC here)
I am in Manila PH and the city roads here, well, let's just say that your roads are vanilla smooth compared to the "best" city roads we have here. I was thinking of the ZX6R before (I'm a Kawi fanboy) but having a 4-cylinder screamer does not really go well with my budget. Then I had to think of the Ninja400 but then again I already have a 2-cylinder naked bike that puts down the same power as the Ninja. So that's when I got interested in the CP2 engine of Yamaha but I don't want to get the MT07 because I already have a naked bike. I have been watching your R7 videos and they have been a ton of help. I also watched Waheed's reviews as they are golden. So now, since I want a second bike with supersports ergos but is still reasonable for city riding and maybe not more than 10 trackdays in a year, the R7 really is attractive. The last straw for me will be the price since I can actually convert my naked bike to supersports ergos with just a few coins to break, if the R7 will come out here in am affordable price package, I will probably go give my doctor the go on selling one of my organs.
I doubt the R7 will be officially released in the Philippines.
@@NeverWinter0113 I am afraid you're right about that.
It's like the R7 is only for the Americas and European market. I don't know yet if Yamaha Motors Philippines will let us have the R7 here. I'd rather have the R7 than the kawi 650
@@NeverWinter0113 I don't like the Ninja650 too. I actually hate it even if I am a Kawi fan. I like the 636 ZX6R and the ZX10R even the RR and even the ZX14. I like the Z900RS but I don't like the Z900 and the Z1000. I think I don't like the Zs. For Yamaha, if they can bring the R7 and wishful thinking it is below 500k,I will probably gamble my nut for it.
Same here brother, if Yamaha launches the R7 here. Welp, bye kidney hahahaha. I've tried riding the kawi 636, it's one heck of a beast but I had some problems. Mainly due to height, last bike I rode on was a kawi vulcan s 650.
nice vid mate, however, I think it's pretty obvious that barely ANY super sport bike is a pain in the neck for city raiding, they are meant to be used in race tracks.
I ride a R1 and I know what you mean about leaning over the tank through the city. Lol
I want to buy a yamaha but im not sure which one i want for my first bike.The R7 or the MT07 that will fit my 275 6'1 body. what do you think will be better? thanks I love the show !
I have to admit riding around Atlanta had never been a bucket list item and remains so
OC:
I would maybe get the new KTM RC390, but that's because it's gotten a less aggressive body position. A true Supersport in the city sounds less fun
Chase you have now ridden both the updated R3 and the R7. So, as someone who is currently riding and enjoying the R3 I have a question: would you consider it worth to upgrade in near future (eg. 2-3 years) from R3 to R7. Is there enough of the reason, other than more power and a bit different looks, to upgrade?
That's an odd question. If you're small enough that a 300-400 class bike satisfies you, then there is no reason to upgrade. But many riders want that little extra kick in the pants that only more cc's can give them. Note that in an earlier video he says there is no reason to buy a liter bike... Then he chooses the MT-10 as his personal ride? ;)
The ride position of the R3 is near perfect. The only weakness is the suspension and lack of torque if you are on the heavy side. Linear springs, cartridges with compression, rebound, and preload fixes the front. Shock with compression, rebound, and preload in the rear to replace the garbage stock unit. Some sticky tyres like Diablo 2 or S20 Evo. Maybe a set of Pazzo levers ... that's about it. The braking improves dramatically once you get the suspension sorted. Still not great - but much better.
If you want to do high speed highway miles - get a sports tourer like a VFR800 or a Ninja 1000. Supersports get boring quickly if you are in traffic or on long straight roads.
@@tdunster2011 I haven't found it to lack torque tbh (and I am not light by any means) but the thing that kinda got me disappointed from day one are brakes. When time comes to change brake pads I'll try with some better quality ones and see if that will make a difference. Front brakes are ok to slow down a bit, but I feel like they don't really bite enough if you try to brake hard. Rear brake I just hate. I know it's purpose is to help the front and not to be used alone to stop etc. But whenever I try to use rear brake it islike nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing and then ABS kicks in.
As for suspension I don't think I want to invest that much money into the bike that I am not sure I will have long term. And for my riding it does just fine.
I would still buy a ss bike for city riding because I like the way they look
OC For a city bike R7 vs RS660? Thoughts?
This is why we need more middle weight sports tourers! There are people that still want some wind protection AND a neutral riding position. Imagine if Yamaha had a truly faired up competitor to the Ninja 650 and CBR650R
what ? this is it besides the position
@@bustabunny1238 the body position is the most important part of comfort! Lmao This bike can be whatever you want it to be if you ignore the concept of ergonomics completely
Chase I’ve been watching your channel for a very long time and I would love for you to do a first ride on my 2021 Husqvarna 701 sm
Wish the rs660 had been out for 5-6years + already and the worked out all the issues with them by this point . Right now they are still too new and plagued with too many issues to justify the extra premium over the rest of middleweight class bikes .
OC: Try riding an R6 in a 38 degree caribbean climate having heat cooking your legs an balls when those fire fans come on. Also the powerband on an R6 sucks for stop an go traffic. Speeding away an passing everyone to reduce the heat isn't always possible due to traffic conditions. I wonder if the MT07 gives off the same heat in the city as the R7🤔
Hello fellow, I hope you do not get annoyed for calling you like that , but I don´t remember ,if mentioned your name in your videos cause I watched those which you were explaining how ride bikes for beginners , anyway . The thing is that I bought a yamaha R3 as beginner bike but , the dealer made some adjustments to the seat height because I´m 5"2 height , so my question to you is about , if I could ride a yamaha R7 since I am short person the guys from the dealer told me that R7 is possible adjust or regulate the seat height a little bit . So my inquiring is due to the weigh between R3 and R7. Ok , in advance I would appreciate you professional opinion in this matter . Thank you P.S. I love your videos , they helped me a lot to learn to ride a bike as a beginner and get on the road .🏍😀
power when ever you need it, I ride a rocket 3r
OC how does this R7 compare to the Honda CBR650R? You should put a video together comparing all the 650 class bikes including the R7. After watching the 650 class showdown you made a while ago I was set on the CBR650R. This R7 has thrown a wrench into my thinking on what bike I should get next.
The cbr has a much higher rev limiter and acts more like a typical 600 the R7 just has that low down torque cbr makes more hp at a higher rpm
Everything's still about the same. The 600's are the true 'SuperSports', where the 650-700s are tuned for more lower-end torque and a less frantic pace. The two would be similar, but you'd have to sit on them to see which one 'feels' better to you.
I run into the issue where i like the position of naked bikes, but having those tiny windscreens turn me into a bobble head. I like the R series of bikes, but holy shit i can only ride them for a short time before my neck gives out.
i would buy an ss for the city bc my city commute is just 8 miles each way (16 mi total)on a three lane road