You did very well! My first Tesla was a 2014 Model S P85. I loved that car but it was RWD, and I live in snowy Michigan. So, when I found out Tesla was going to end their free, unlimited Supercharging program starting in 2017, I bought a new 2016 Model S P100DL on 12/31/2016 - the very last day for free Supercharging. And, boy, am I glad I did! I’m now retired and can take road trips all over - and no cost for electricity. I even put Tesla Solar panels and 3 Powerwall batteries at home, so even those electrons are free. And I still only have just north of 57K miles on my Ludicrous beast, and it drives like it did the first day I drove it home. I also love that I and my family travel in one of the safest cars NHTSA has ever tested. Enjoy your Free Supercharging Model S - you’ll never want to let it go!
CORRECTION: The Nissan Leaf is not $32,000. The Leaf still qualifies for state and federal tax incentives worth $10,500 so the actual cost is $21,500 (before state sales tax).
@clot shots Well, duh, of course they weren’t free. Neither is $4 -$5/gal gas, is it? Or $120+/mo electricity. Every day that goes by I recoup some of those costs. Every time I drive between Michigan and Florida, several times a year, I’m recouping those costs. And every time there is a power outage, and people can’t do the things they normally do, and lose their a/c or possibly heat, and can’t even pump gas locally, I don’t know about it until someone tells me. Or I see it on the news. I felt bad for the folks in the South and East of the U.S. last year when Russian hackers took a major U.S, gas pipeline offline, closing thousands of gas stations. But then I just drove on through. So, if your point is that I had to pay some $ extra up front for the benefits an EV and Solar/Battery Storage offer, you got me. And would I do it again if I had the opportunity to go back in time? In a heartbeat, friend, in a heartbeat!
@clot shots Well, clotty, if you paid for your house with cash, you would save a lot of money in interest. That’s kinda the same concept: spend more up front and save big in he long run. The way I look at it, it’s 1,250 miles between my house in Michigan and Florida. If I had a somewhat comparable fossil-burner that got 25 mpg, at $4/gal it would take me 50 gallons of gas and cost me $200 for gas - one way! Round-trip, $400. I make that round trip an average of about 4 times/yr. So, I save about $1,600/yr at today’s gas prices - just on THOSE 4 round trips using Tesla Superchargers. Do you know what Tesla used to charge customers to add the Supercharging option when you ordered your car online? $2,000. Yeah. So, I think I got a good deal. Not to mention not having to pay for oil changes, belts, hoses, fuel filters, oil filters, exhaust systems, catalytic converters, water pumps, fuel pumps, brakes (regen braking means mostly one-pedal driving resulting in very little wear & tear on brake pads), radiators, oil gaskets, tune-ups…. need I go on? Same thing with the Solar/Battery system. It saves me when I drive on sunshine, AND when I power my house. With the not-insignificant benefit of NEVER losing power. Oh, and I have the peace of mind knowing I’m not funding mass killers like Vladimir Putin, ISIS, or MBS in Saudi Arabia. And if a pipeline goes down or the grid goes out because of foreign hackers - congratulation! You’re helping to fund them with your generous weekly donations via the gas pump. So, I don’t know about you, but I’m happy with my decisions. They kinda fall in the no-brainer category. If you can’t understand.,, well, see above. Have a nice day!
@@Widdermaker That sounds great,the thing is a model X is $100.000 and solar panels and battery backup cost is approx $30.000 and tesla ended the supercharge deal ,be that as it may my friend gave me a ride in a model Y and yes it's a no Brainerd, I want one.
I drove my 2013 Model S for 9 years and 185k miles. It had every upgrade and it was great. Replaced the MCU and the drive unit just like you mentioned. I sold it last year for 15,000 to a person at work because i was afraid someone like carmax would just rip it apart of auction it off to someone else who would. It was too great of a car. But now I have the 2022 Model X Plaid and dear lord is it fast! I think old S's are a great buy.
@@stiaankruger2699 absolutely not. I sold it for cheap to a friend because it was still a great car. And I upgraded not because it stopped working but because I'm a child who wanted to go fast in a plaid. It charged for 9 years almost completely offset by my Tesla solar. My electric bills were 15-20 dollars a month. And it's still nicer than most new cars that you can get today. My car was 70k new and I got back 10k from state and federal returns and I could have sold it for 25 easily, by the way. Paying 35k to drive a car of that quality for almost a decade is not a bad deal.
My Tesla is one of the first teslas delivered and first 2,000 ever made! It has 127k miles and is still amazing! Fun facts, we lived in Cali at the time we got it and got invited to go pick the car up at the factory and ended up meeting Elon! He gave us a little tour of the factory in a golf cart and signed our car! As our car is getting older we just got the driver inside mirror (where the signature is) replaced so we can frame it. The car is in awesome condition and drives like a dream. I have people getting in my car daily saying it’s one of the nicest cars they ever been in and are blow away when I say it’s a 2013.
Now with the price of gas, the free supercharging makes it a no-brainer. I have a 2014 I bought as a re-furb directly from Tesla in 2017. It still drives like the day I got it. No rattles (unlike my old Chevy Volt) and really no deficiencies. I just had the motor replaced under warranty, since it's still under the 8 year drive train warranty, which expires next December. I'm hoping my battery goes bad, so I can get that taken care of under warranty, but it's still got a lot of life in it, so I don't think it will die anytime soon. I'm hoping some third party Tesla repair shops start showing up in my area, and with repair prices lower than Tesla's. Anyway, I hope you MS is still giving you good service.
I did the same just one year behind you. Same experience. Pretty sure I got the very last used MS sold by Tesla that they did not strip off the free supercharging.
@@ARUNKUMAR-gf3zv the Tesla website had them listed, and had each vehicle's specs. Don't know if they still are selling used. They definitely stopped selling refurbs.
Griffen: I am glad that you have given an used Telsa Model S a second life. In a modern world, we often look forward to what is new and trendy, and upgrade whenever we can. What we have forgotten is that it takes a lot of resource to build an EV. The cleanest (lowest emission and impact) to switch to an EV is to get an used one. Congrats.
Thats wrong, the market decides the longevity of vehicles based on expected maintenance cost and longevity. Not the individual. A model s won’t suddenly be worthless and discarded, only if repairs are prohibitively expensive compared to a viable alternative.
Hey Griffen! This is John in Austin- I wanted to report to you that my 2014 Model S 85D just turned over 187,000 miles! It's the most reliable car I've ever had! The battery still takes a full charge of 235 miles. THERE IS NO REASON TO EVER BUY NEW!! I Highly recommend a nice used one AND... the mileage IS NOT the same as a gas car. The only sign of wear is on the edge of the seat!
I made exactly that 4 years ago because my Fiat broke down the fifth time (still under warranty). So I needed a new car and a new Tesla was far far beyond my financial possibilities. After 4 years with my 12/13 Model S I am still super duper happy. Yes I had MCU Retrofit and more but all was worth it. Free Supercharger and it never broke down on me. I can't say that from my previous cars. I just passed 200'000 km and looking forward to the next 100'000 km to go.
I bought a used 2015 Model S just as covid locked us down ... I've since retired ... I've driven my beauty fewer than a dozen times, but she gets plenty of miles ... my daughter-in-law uses it to take my son to work daily (now that gas prices have made their huge extended cab pick-up too expensive to drive) and does all my errands for me ... I also benefit from free supercharging (though it's almost never used) and the remainder of the original warrantee (that doesn't expire until Nov) ... this purchase was one of the best decisions I've made, and the timing wasn't as bad as I originally thought (current gas prices considered)
Just found a 2014 60d with a new battery, unlimited supercharging, and premium connect. The only thing it doesn't have is MCU2 upgrade, definitely thinking of buying it.
Greetings from Spain! I very much agree with you! I have a 2013 P85 with 160,000 miles on it. Keeps the original MCU and battery. Range is 215 miles (260 at nominal) and the motor was recently replaced with a fixed unit. I got my Tesla at a great price with a broken driver's lock and bad sunroof. But I was able to fix it for only $30, buying a sensor for the lock and lithium grease for the roof, albeit taking several hours to fix the lock. I am very happy with my Tesla
Excellent Video!!!! I like how you slowly, with a very nice pace, are able to explain things very clearly and concisely. And I am glad you feel satisfied with your Tesla. I have a 2014 P85D with Ludicrous mode, and had made all those upgrades you talk about as they were coming, including the MCU thingy. The only problem I had was with the original battery that its capacity dropped below 85% at about 37000 miles with it, but it was within the warranty period, so it was changed for free and never got that problem again, and the new pack has more than 170,000 miles on it. I also checked the motor bearings issue and my car was equipped with the newer versions, so I am also good on that. I added a secondary market electronic frunk remote opener for my wife's convenience. And because of the OTA, the Air suspension, improved Regen and lifetime Supercharging the car doesn't feel like an 8-year old car. The only thing I paid for myself was to repaint the car again, but this time with a Polar White color with some Pear-like hues, and did an Upholstery change where I made my own covers in three color sets- Bright Salmon Red, Metallic Green and Cobalt Blue. It certainly looks a little different, but better than the old white paint and black interior( I actually hated the black color interior, so I learned how to use my wife's sewing machine, a new Bernina B880 with embroidery capabilities, and made my own stuff). I never cared about those panel gaps, they were not that big deal for me, I cared more about any rattle that could appear, and they never did, and my car is rattle free so far. I can say that my car is a gem, because as expected, no need of maintenance like an ICE car, no gasoline expenses, reliability have been exceptional, seats 5 people easily and comfortably. The comfort is first rate. I would like to switch my steering wheel to the Yoke. I tested a new Model S with the Yoke and became mesmerized by it!!! The only real expense are the tires, I have to change them every 45-50000 miles, and I am buying 80K Michelin or Pirelli, and those are quite expensive for the set of 4. But anything else is super economical. Again, I am so happy you found your Tesla. I will assure you will enjoy it for a long, long time with the proper care like I have done with mine!!!!!!
You want to switch to a yoke.. which objectively provides less comfort and has objectively dogshit touch capacitive buttons that you'll often hit by accident (as reviewers point out while driving it for a long time) are you an idiot? There's a reason why NOBODY uses a F1 style racing wheel in cars except Tesla . Because it doesn't make sense, Jesus What's ya battery health
I’d love to buy one used but in this car market, they sell almost instantly at ridiculously inflated prices so $25k is a bit of a streach for the time being
@@morganlingsweiler9813 Here in Florida you're lucky to find one under $40k at the moment, and that's a low spec model S that's 8 years old with 80k miles minimum
@@DaPopeOfDope101 the older models aren't especially reliable. Kind of comparable to a German vehicle in terms of cost of maintenance. Drive units typically need replacing sometime after 70k miles, and that's about $5-7k. Suspension components wear quickly due to the heavy weight of the vehicle. Should you need a new battery, it would almost be cheaper to buy another car
Happy owner of a 2015 P85D with all the options (CCS2, MCU2, Harman Kardon soound etc). I'd have to go for a Plaid or EQS to get something to replace it. Done 240k km so far.
cool... it is great that we are finally getting to the point where some of the older models are 'affordable'. In a few more years there will be lots more used Tesla's available. Love how well it seems to have held up. I hope my model 3 is still doing as well in 2030.
I had been thinking of going to take a look at a 60D 2013 and now you have given me some things to ask about. Thank you. For those reading this in the future, this is April of 2023.
Loved watching your video! I am the proud owner of a 2013 S P85 that I bought a little over 2 years ago with 185K miles on it. Yes, you read that right! She now has 234K miles and is an absolute dream. Minor issues like door handles, first brake pads put on at 8 1/2 years and of course tires every 25 to 39K miles. I go back and forth from New Jersey to Florida for work and free supercharging? PRICELESS!! Best car I’ve ever owned!
I also bought mine with high miles (192k) and love it. I also have had a few issues but it is still one of the best most fun cars I have ever owned. Only thing I'm annoyed about is that I only get about 220miles per full charge.....boooooooo!
I test-drove the P85D back in 2013. It cost like 200k USD in my region at the time. I loved that 4.4s acceleration but i wasn't able to afford back then. Now I drive a Model 3 performance and I'm glad to see the original P85D I fell in love with still holds.
It's interesting to see that they're holding their value well. It's a shame Tesla can't still offer subsidised charging rates to entice new owners. As far as I can see, they're the only EV manufacturer that offers both good range and performance. I'm sure others will catch up but it's still early days for this market. I'll stick with diesel for as long as its economically viable.
The free supercharging as an incentive is a thing of the past. Demand is outpacing supply and incentives are no long necessary. My 2018 Model S has free supercharging for long as I own the vehicle. It's nice on road trips, but has really only saved me a few hundred dollars so far.
"as far as I can see" What? The longest range EV's aren't even produced by Tesla, they're made by other companies. ALL BRANDS have long range EV's now with niche exceptions like Mazda, polestar, etc. Tesla isn't even leading with range, and there are many vehicles that have the range of model 3 and model S..
I rented a Tesla in hertz and was amazed of how nice they are. I was worried about charging them. But I was able to ‘fill it up’ in about half an hour. The time it take me to plug it. Go to the store I front. Buy a couple things and get back to the car and check my messages
@clot shots Well, if the grid goes down, you're not pumping any gas (electric pumps!) but if you have solar your EV will be fine. (If not, I'm sure if you look down your street, someone with solar would let you plug in!?)
2023, I just purchased a 2015 model S 85 here in AU. These cars are more expensive here in the used market but mine was a bargain, I paid 60k for this car with only 34k kilometers on it. It still has the MCU1 but this had the EMMC upgraded to 64G, it also has autopilot 1, and all the other goodies like free super charging. A beautiful and very clean car. I will be picking it up from the dealership tomorrow. I am SO looking forward to it. I have just had 2 x gen 3 wall power connectors installed at my house and holiday house, both 32amp. Both houses have solar panels at 16 KW/hr.
I had a 2013 model S 85kwh. Absolutely loved it, so did my kids back then it was like a spaceship that got envious look everywhere we went. Had to sell it 3 years later but was an absolute blast. However one thing I should point out is that those models did not have the Heat pump yet. So in cold weather the range drops significantly in winter, and starting up and getting it running takes some minutes of driving before all features become able. Other than all good
@@petermiller9904 Back then where I lived you would see a Tesla maybe only twice a week on the road. Were hard to get in my city waitlist was 6-7 months. They would roll windows down at intersections to ask me questions or come speak to me in parking lots.
Just picked up my model 3 75kwh Dual motor with 28k miles for £33k. A bit more, but good value. I dont think the dealership realised it came with enhanced auto pilot which was an added bonus. Absolutely love. Looking to own it for a long time.
I have model s p85d and its as beautiful car and I love it. They last forever as long as you maintain it and drive normal not gun it at every stop sign or green light. I got mine in 2020 at 48k and upgraded MCU to 2 and enjoy the free supercharge and changed front with unplugged to a more modern look. Great buy. Smart investment.
The miles and charge cycles aren't the problem. What concerns me about the battery packs is something called "calendar aging" which means even with low cycles on the battery pack, they still age. Since cars use higher quality cells than things like tools and cell phones, and take better care of charging, it's hoped the battery packs will last 15-20 years, but this is still unexplored territory. I replaced my S with a new one for that reason.
My main issue is that I've seen where people need repairs and it will take literal months. And in a lot of cases they take the car from you to begin with and you just don't have a car in the meantime. So I would definately watch the video you make where you have something that needs to be repaired on it thats more than routine maintenance. I would be interested to see if you could find anyone besides Tesla to actually work on it, and to see how long the repairs takes to do.
Your main issue appears to be that you haven't research recently. I suggest checking the "Model 3 man" UA-cam channel (Canadian). A recent second (both non-fault) accident resulted in the need for extensive repair of his model 3, which was completed by a Tesla approved independent shop in record time, with impeccable service and communication from both them *and* Tesla, who without prompting were sending direct updates of parts supplied. Might change your mind(???)
I am *so glad* you made this video. I don't drive. I don't have a license, let alone a car. But, I am a massive car guy, and always have been. I'm also an environmentalist, and I'm happy to see people like you buying a really early Model S. I've heard the exact same superficial issues with early Model S's too, like the interior fit and finish not being great, and body panel gaps being massive. But, I've always been more interested to know more about stuff like motors, and the cost of a battery pack. 9% capacity loss, to me at least, is manageable. I live in Toronto. What I'd like to know is whether it would be possible to replace the older 85kWh battery pack with the newer 100kWh pack. An older Model S is something I'm seriously open to once I save up enough money.
Only cars that originally came with the 100KWh battery can use a 100KWh battery. IIRC there are some structural differences in the frame of the 100KWh Model S's to support the extra weight. The smaller 40, 60, 70, 75, and 85KWh cars can all be upgraded to 90KWh batteries though.
I applaud you because at 100,000 miles this vehicle is now properly green in the sense that at 90,000 miles the carbon footprint of the Tesla will have matched and equivalent fossil fuel vehicle so your Tesla has paid back it's carbon footprint of construction and use since new. My internal combustion car is 6 years old since new with 25,000 miles. I have no intention of selling any time soon as I still think there are going to be changes in the EV market that might dramatically impact the value of older EV's and there is no way I could currently finance or justify a new EV of my choice.
You should get an fm to Bluetooth receiver instead of the full fm upgrade depending on how much you use fm of course if you used it everyday then the upgrade would probably be worth it, but if you’re only going to use it like once a month the fm to Bluetooth receiver might be a better deal.
I recall a Finnish 2nd hand Model S driver had his car blown up on UA-cam. It was his protest at the high cost of replacing the battery ($20k+), the replacement cost completely destroyed the economics of buying a 2nd hand Tesla. I think it could have been solved by replacing a few bad cells rather than the whole pack. Trouble is that no-one offers this service in Finland. I don't think Rich Rebuilds has gone international yet! Otherwise, it's worth something in terms of spare parts, but obviously far less than a working model.
I believe there's a company in the U.S. that simply disconnects the bad cells with slightly reduced range. Unfortunately there aren't enough electric car shops out there that can help. A 20k repair on a 20-40k car would be devastating.
You're correct, there are some shops that do this, but it is a terrible practice that I hope never takes hold. Adding new cells into a pack full of old, but still good cells massively imbalances the pack. This will put much more strain on all the cells, both new and old. The only way this can be properly done is to have various old packs you can use as parts so you can match the cells as closely as possible and maintain balance.
@@griffensander I think with the new Model Y, the cells will be impossible to replace anyway on account of the structural pack design. However as others have stated, maybe the bad cells can be isolated and bypassed. Of course that depends on the pack design, If that prolongs life at the expense of performance, for an old car out of warranty I dont think it will matter.
Coworker bought a 2013 with 60k miles for 23k a year ago. 10 months after buying, it won't drive, giving him a message to get it serviced. Tesla wants to charge him 23 grand for a new battery. Because it doesn't drive, the best offer he has received for the car is 500$. He is now stuck paying a car loan while getting rides from us.
Great video! I bought my 2014 Model S 60 last year for $25K and I love it. I had to replace my drive unit back December 2021 due coolant seal failure ($4800), a door handle motor ($250), and a window regulator ($400). But other than that, I love having a Model S. I've wanted one for years.
Great find and some good points. I have a 2018 MS P100DL with 740HP and 75K Miles. The battery health is 98% and it has never let me down, so few moving parts to break. I have had the upgraded EMMC put in and It has all the options except FSD but does have enhanced Autopilot and Free Supercharging thanks to a friends referral code. All EV's are more reliable so it's not just Tesla but they have been doing it longer so obviously have an edge. Best of luck with your P85 and thanks for the video!!
@@USNEM Even if the primary battery system completely failed (which seems to be rare), the price of a brand new set is expensive BUT still much cheaper than a brand new Tesla car payment.
Loved the video, been waiting for someone knowledgeable to do one to use as a template to avoid the pitfals of buying a used Tesla model S. Thanks so much, so helpful.
because of you I got a model S P85 :) 160.000km and new battery 2021, and drive unit. Im gonna change the screen and upgrade to 4g. Think I can have it for 4-5 years without problems. The new battery has Guarantee for 4 years / 100.000km. Think im gonna love it!
I have a 13 P85 as well. Did MCU upgrade, love it! Wish it had the folding mirrors though ugh! So far is amazing. Took it for 3 hr road trip, one charge and back home. 0 cost. Best investment ever! Great video! Btw mine has same interior, rims etc with 95k miles
Cost zero unless its a company car you paid a fair amount for it ? Seem a good car but here in the UK for example there would never be a enough charging points. Also we have a lot of terraced housing where people on pavements away from their homes
Did you pay for the MCU upgrade or was it part of the recall? They did mine and nothing really changed. Curious as to the "upgrades" everyone is referring to lol
@@levashiamiller1955 did they do the mcu2 upgrade or did they add gb to the mcu1? The entire layout on the bottom is different. If yours looks exactly the same, you didn't get MCU2
Thanks for the video. I bought a 2013 P85 in 2020 with just over 55,000 miles for just over $30K. Did just about all the homework you mentioned prior to buying. Love the car. However, about 22k miles and 18 months later, more importantly, six months after the 8-year battery warranty ran out I got a horrid error “Maximum battery charge level has been reduced.” The cost to repair was just short of $12,000. The good news is my car now has a battery charge level like it had when it was new, and I have the assurance of a 4 year warranty on the battery. With all the great and helpful insight included n this video about potential costs to buying a used older Tesla, Im surprised that the potential to have to replace the battery was left out. Hope you enjoy your Tesla for many years without ever running into this horrid message on your dash. Thanks again for the video.
If you are in usa you have electrified motors and some other companies that will replace only the dead cells in your battery. USA is probably the best place on the planet to drive a out of warranty Tesla at the moment
Have you seen the repair costs on any of Toyota or Jeep Grand Cherokee new diesels. 12k isn’t even that bad to be perfectly honest considering life maintenance costs. 5 injectors, a turbo, intercooler, manifold clean and a DPF is 22k on the current model hilux and land cruiser prados. However this is 2017-19 models and they are coming in for this work under warranty!!!
Hey I’m curious after you received the warning message would your Tesla charge and drive at all? It sounds like it would have less range but still function. Thanks!
@@nated4949 Thanks for the question. When the error message first appeared it would charge to about 50 miles. This made me think that I had time to put off the repair because I could still get to work and essential stuff, and the nearest Tesla Service center was about 25 miles. But, I was wrong. With each charge cycle, I was losing range. Within a couple of weeks, the car was no longer driveable because the range was reduced to about 5 miles. I had to have it towed to the service center.
@@RevRich721 Does the vehicle warranty transfer between old and new owner if you do not buy it from tesla? They have a thing on their website saying it doesn't but I thought US laws said it had too? Thinking about buying a 2018 model S with the unlimited mile warranty and driving the snot out of it. I drive uber so were talking 60K+ a year. Most cars I buy I break the warranty in the first 2 years.
I bought a 2015 used. Upgraded for 90KWH pack, next gen seats, and Autopilot (AP1). No regrets. Let.me know if you have any questions. I drove a 2013 loaner from Tesla and the difference in terms of ride and refinement was striking. I think they just didn't take care of their loaners was part of it.
@@roboticvenom1935 Thousands! And worth it. :) I have since driven some without these options and if I had driven them first I may not have purchased mine. As Elon said there is a night and day difference between early models and today's models. Seems like there was a big improvement during late 2015 and I'm sure at points since then as well.
@simkela I don't know. These were standard features and options from the factory at the time it was built. I just bought it as a used car paying attention to make sure the used car I was choosing had these factory features. I would encourage others to do the same or better. It's a lovely car and driving experience!
Last year I picked up a 2014 Tesla model S RWD 85 khw with 54,003, the tech package, a clean carfax and sunroof for $28,700. This same model brand new retailed for $92,100. My bank valued it at $40,000 so there are some deals out there if you look.
Model S P85D used to be my dream car. But then I saw one up close and realized that the size of it (length, width), was far larger than what I feel comfortable driving. So, I had to adjust my dream to a model 3. Even used, they are far more expensive than what I can afford. Someday… hopefully.
I have that exact same model I understand… it’s a real wide car I struggle in drive thrus lol. But you get used to it and it’s the best car I’ve ever had! Extremely fast, nothing like the plaid but still faster than anything you need street legal 😂
Im a professional test driver and I had to take full size pickup training years ago and was nervous about driving such a big truck. As long as you pay attention to the corners of your vehicle and figure out when you need to go a little wide, you'll get used to it and it wont be an issue. A lot of drivers have big car anxiety but it almost always goes away pretty quick. I'd suggest you rent a full size sedan or pickup for a couple weeks and see if you're certain that you cant stand it, you might just change your mind. Cheers.
I live inland Australia with a 2014 Model S85P+ Signature. it has done over 350000km and had the DU (on warranty) and MCU replaced. I did a few door handle repairs and exchanged the 12v battery. we have bad roads out here (plus it has done a few 1000km of dirt roads) and all 4 front control arms have been replaced by now. Battery degradation is 14% only. I have a full size spare tire in the frunk, don't know of any other EV which can do that. Tesla Service in Australia is impeccable, extremely helpful and spares very reasonably priced. Can charge 22kW on AC which has been a trip saver many times. Still free SuC. I colour matched the nose cone to the rest of the car which is sort of a soft face lift (or refresh how it is called in the US). Best car I ever had and I very much recommended a well looked after but high mileage S any time. Get someone to read out and interpret battery stats though.
dude these teslas are ripe with issues, they cost more then a GAS car if you have average luck The drive motor will shut itself, for most people it's within 100k miles, that's $5000 And then the inevitable battery pack repair, total system failure is what it is.. $13k repair.. INSANE
Great video! I bought a used 2011 Chevy Volt for $6,800 in 2021. Great car, but runs on the engine for any long distance trip exceeding the ~32 miles I get on the battery. Additionally, in the winter (in Illinois), it almost always runs on the engine, since it gets so cold. Seemingly any temperature under ~40 degrees F, it'll primarily run on gasoline. Not sure if it's just mine, or if this is common with all Gen1 Volts, but I get horrible mpg in the cold. Right now it's about 5 degrees F, the Volt gets about 18 mpg. Around 32 degrees, it may get about 25 mpg (around 75 degrees, usually around 38 mpg). AND, all Gen1 Volts require premium gasoline. Gets pretty expensive to drive in the winter. A used Tesla may be in my future when my Volt's life is done.
Hmm, that is strange. Yes your battery life will go down in the cold for sure (~40% as Illinois gets in the single digits routinely) but your fuel economy shouldn't suffer anywhere as much. For a comparison point I took a road trip from the Twin Cities to Milwaukee and then Duluth, MN last week. The whole time it was single digits or below zero. In my 2003 Lexus ES300 I can get roughly 29-30mpg on the highway going 75mph during warm weather. Going the same speed in the winter I'm getting ~25-26. That's on the order of 15% loss, not 35% like you are describing.
Good info, that battery is probably all you need to worry about, but it's significant, 23 large when it goes. Although, there are shops out there now who claim to be able to fix the batteries for far less than replacement cost.
I don't know, watched a lot of Tesla x,y and z high mileage vids, and boy those out of warranty Tesla prices....Trust me, battery will be the last of your concerns
Honest to god I want a tesla, and the only possible way I can afford one is old and used.... this video really helped me understand what I'm preparing to get myself into. thanks man!
Posted elsewhere in the thread, check out Bjørn Nyland (Norway). He repurchased his original 2013 model S last year and as an exercise for his channel had extensive testing / replacement done by *extremely* thorough independent repairers. Great resource of possible problems, prevention, replacement and/ or repair. Try ua-cam.com/video/MoE4gcXJN7o/v-deo.html
Keep in mind Consumer Report gave the Tesla Model S their highest rating ever when it first came out with 103 points now because of mostly reliability issues it scores a pathetic 60 points.
Two points. Don't buy a Tesla Model S prior to November 2014 or you won't get autopilot - which you will find out is awesome for long trips. Plus you get self-parking and summon. Secondly, free supercharging for life was discontinued for new models in 2016. If buying a used Tesla Model S prior to 2016, you can ONLY have the freebie transferred to you if you buy directly from an owner. If you buy a pre-2016 model from a car dealership or Tesla itself the freebie is not transferable.Be aware of that.
What happens if the battery goes bad and the warranty is gone? This is a serious question and I would appreciate legit non emotional answers from people who are fully informed. It wasn’t addressed in the video. I’d love to have a Tesla and I can fix anything if i can get parts but I heard the battery is crazy expensive if it fails and I hear they do fail. I’d be interested to know how common this failure is also. I’d be very upset if I bought a car for 25k and then had to buy a new battery for 13 grand. Can you get extended warranties affordably that cover battery failure? Are there options where you can just get individual bad cells replaced instead of the whole pack or something similar? Lmk. Thanks in advance!!
got my 2014 model s 60 last year couldnt be happier, its saving me 12k a year. I was lucky to get a late 2014 with autopilot and 2nd gen seats with slightly more padding. free supercharging for life will pay for my car over life of vehicle. I got mine for 29,500 but now similar models with more miles and less features local are sellig for 39,900. regardless what its worth I plan to drive it as long as possible. if anyone does research and knows what to expect going into buying an early model s they will be very happy if they are patient and find a good one (which most are maybe just need some minor touching up)
Yeah… I bought Pontiac vibe 2005 with 91k miles (California used) salvage for 1500$, fixed bumper and installed dashcams, iPad holder and sound system… I know it’s ugly, but boy… now it has 230k miles. I only change oil, tires and brakes! My ipad more expensive then my car! No issues, super reliable even throughout almost 20 years
It's good until you have to replace your original battery which actually fails around 140 k miles( at least for me it did) then you're shelling out 12 k + to fix or more to replace it.
Yeah these teslas are literally as or less reliable then Mercedes, BMW, aka the worst of the industry. Often shit economically Unlike say, a Lexus(a reliable luxury vehicle) or a new Genesis
I have a Chevy Volt, and the factory supplied 120 volt charge cord will charge from a 240 volt outlet using an inexpensive adaptor...I'd be surprised if this wasn't also true of the Bolt. Great video, I've got a Cybertruck reserved, and looking forward to becoming a Tesla owner, maybe next year.
Same. Really, same. Including the Cybertruck reserved. LOL. But hey, I love my Volt, it get's me up to 60 mls on a single charge on a good day, I kidd you not. Personally, my ideal were a steady 60mls range. I don't really need more and a Tesla is therefor not really an option at the moment; also, the Volt has a far superior build quality than most Teslas.
I don't know the details of your Volt charger but assuming you have a 4-prong plug your adapter may be doing nothing more than picking up one neutral to hot leg of your 240 thereby supplying 120 to the adapter. That would be no gain over plugging into 120 directly assuming you have a circuit of sufficient ampacity. In any case, it is the rectifier in the vehicle's on-board charging system that determines whether you can use 120 and/or 240. The adapter and charging cord just supply the electrical feed.
@@rogerlevy2160 ua-cam.com/video/lGcSgzVtv4I/v-deo.html I've been using this set up wired two hots and ground for several years, and it charges in 1/4 the time as 120 volts.
I purchased a 2013 Nissan Leaf just under a year ago, for $10k, (financed for $200/mo. just to see the numbers work) as an experiment into my first electric vehicle. Now I have daily data that shows it has been completely free to drive, "eating" about 1,000 miles per month from my 2010 Silverado and 2014 Dodge Caravan. That's including added insurance cost for a 3rd vehicle. The car saves about $10-$15/day in fuel, which covers all expenses of having it. So I'm not looking back with any regret EXCEPT that I should have done this earlier, or gotten something even better. The miles it can't "eat" are when we have 6 people, or when we know we need much more range than the Leaf gives (like a road trip). So, now I'm re-thinking my experiment and looking for a model S with the 3rd row jump-seats, so we could haul 6 (or 7) people (granted the jump seats are for kids, but that's 4 of the 6), AND take longer road trips. And if I can find one that still has the free unlimited supercharging for life, then we are talking $0 fuel cost aside from charging at home (currently $40/1000mi on home AC roughly). I'd like to know if you were planning a "one year later" follow-up on the Tesla, as I'm seriously considering the S in the same age range.
Thanks for detailing what to look out for on these older cars; hoping to sell my old BMW i3 (with it's pitifully tiny battery) and get a used Tesla later this year.
You can't beat that Free Unlimited Supercharging. I bought a 2016 Model S even though I have a 2022 X an Y already just because I wanted a car with the Free Unlimited Supercharging. Hoping in a few years battery density will improve so that I can put a new battery pack in there with 500+ miles of range. Maybe its just wishful thinking.
I'm not quite sure what the 25k option is but the model 3 jumped up 25k to 50k. I'd like to see an "everyday american priced" Tesla, something anyone can get at like 15k. Personally I'm getting the model y performance and it's 85k
I think those less expensive options are coming. The problem right now is two-fold: 1) the pandemic-induced supply chain shortages have caused prices to go up on almost everything - IF you can even get them. Thus, even though Tesla has long term contracts for many of the raw materials they use in their cars, supplier price increases on many other parts, and reprogramming semi-conductor chips, meant Tesla had to raise prices to cover these increased costs. And… 2) Demand for Tesla cars has skyrocketed to the point that most models have at least a 6 month to over 1 year waiting list. Because of this, even newer, low-mileage used Tesla’s are fetching prices that match or even exceed the prices they fetched when new. So, to tamp down demand so that wait times don’t get any longer, and to eliminate “Tesla-scalping” by new Tesla owners (i.e., buying a new Tesla only to immediately turn around and sell it used for $5K - $10K more than Tesla they paid for it, pocketing the difference), Tesla has been forced to raise prices. Once Tesla scales up their 4680 battery production and can meet the demand for both their cars and their battery storage products (Powerwalls, Megapacks, etc.), prices should start coming down. One thing is clear: demand for Tesla cars is off the charts. They’re growing at about 70%/yr. And their stock price has not done much in over a year (was $880/sh in Jan-2021 after they made 500K cars in 2020; is $980/sh now in Apr-2022 after they made 936K in 2021. They will sell at least 1.5M in 2022 and over 2.3M in 2023. I bought Tesla stock in early 2013 and watched it trade sideways from late-2013 until late 2019 despite Tesla selling 10 times as many cars/yr by 2019. Then the stock exploded in 2020 as Wall Street finally got a clue. Given Tesla’s current growth trajectory, I believe we are currently in another sideways movement of Tesla’s stock price for whatever reason, and that means a huge opportunity for Tesla stock price appreciation. Tesla stock made me a “Teslanaire.” The door is open again, in my opinion, for folks to 10x - 20x their money on Tesla stock in the next 5-10 years. Opportunity is knocking for a 2nd time with Tesla. It may take a few years, but buying their stock in 2013 when everyone laughed at me is one of the best decisions I made in my life.
@@AdrianMcDaid You missed my point - re-read. Better yet, buy Tesla stock like I did and you’ll be able to afford all the Teslas you want in a few years.
@@Widdermaker power to you for holding all those years. You're right it's amazing opportunity but most people are solely focused on their cars. They could make a cheaper car at this point in time (amazingly for how young of a auto company they are) but they have bigger aspirations. Those aspirations will probably be realized, making us very happy investors.
You don’t need FM radio if you want to listen to the real radio, most stations have an app. Just connect your phone. Not sure about any drive-ins having apps. Sounds good, I hope the car continues to do really well for many years to come.
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I'd say that buying replacement parts from Tesla would be a disadvantage over other cars where parts can be sourced from elsewhere - Tesla being the sole supplier can charge a premium for any replacement parts. I understand that Tesla is not too keen on 'right to repair' and this is one reason which would put me off buying into the brand.
Yes, Tesla parts may be expensive, but that frequent repair is not common at all, Tesla cars are very reliable, not like the crap from BMW, Chrysler and GM me and my wife used to drive. The only replacement I had was the battery, and it was labor and cost free. I have a Model P85D that is almost 8 years old, and my wife's Model 3 is from 2019, and we don't know what is a car repair since. But if you buy into something else like Chevy, Ford, VW, BMW or Jaguar, then you could easily have repair problems.
@@jorgerobles8334 Hate to break it to you, but according to consumer reports Tesla ranks second to last in reliability. They also have one of the highest problem rate for new cars on the road today. Frankly Tesla cars are terrible. The tech is great, but the actual cars are not that good.
@@brandons9138 Teslas come in second to last in reliability because for some very odd unexplainable reason Consumer report counts their over the air updates as repairs and since Tesla has so many over the air updates it appears the cars are being "repaired" all the time. But, we know this isn't the case. The cars are very reliable but irrationally rated using this method by some companies as not. Although I am making reference to their current vehicles, not the earlier models. Perhaps despite this backward rating system, the earlier vehicles were not as reliable as today's.
@@richardrisserjr That is not what CR says. Consumer Reports shows how it obtains its rankings for reliability: “For reliability, we ask members to note any problems with their vehicles that occurred in the previous 12 months. They are asked to identify problems that they considered serious (because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime). We ask them to include problems covered by warranty, but not the ones resulting from accident damage or due solely to recall. Respondents check off problems from a list of trouble areas, ranging from the engine and transmission to climate system, brakes, electrical system, and power accessories. They also tell us in writing (verbatim) specifically what their experiences were to help us understand precisely what problems they are having.” CR Director of Vehicle Testing Jake Fisher said that the Model X received incredibly low scores because of continuing issues with its falcon-wing doors. Additionally, The Model Y SUV has build quality issues, Fisher said, especially with “poorly fitting body panels, leaks, and issues with its climate control system,” So while OTA updates maybe included. It's not the main reason why Tesla tends rank near the bottom. They are just not well built cars.
Excellent video! This is why I love youtube! My model 3 was involved in an accident. Hit and run. Insurance company totaled it out. I paid 49k for that car in 2019.. insurance issued a check for 52k. Inflation and high demand for electric vehicles have driven prices up significantly. I'm in the market for an older model S until I can finally get my hands on a cybertruck.
A friend of mine has one of these. Its Norwegian (not sure if its 2013 but its very old), old enough he's on lifetime free charging so he's hanging on to it.
I suspect that the early model S will become the next 57 Chevy. Gearheads will be rebatterying them with lighter high discharge rate batteries, and control electronics. Seats may get swapped and I'm not a fan of the screen but lots can be done. Hold on to this for 10-15 years there is little chance of it not holding its value.
I think you did well. I am from Switzerland and I plan to do the same: I find same units Tesla S85P from 2015 with 140,000 Km for 35,000 Francs more or less $33,000. I had a test drive with the Model 3 Long range but here it cost 65,000+- and for me it is expensive considering the quality of the Materials... etc for me pay 35K for a used Model S is a better deal.
I think you got a hell of a deal on that car. It's absolutely beautiful. Definitely the spec I would choose myself also. I especially like the fact that it has the metal roof. I live in the southwest and I have absolutely zero desire to have a giant panoramic glass roof with the sun broiling my head everyday. Definitely looking forward to more videos about the car.
I live in Dallas Fort Worth an summers here can be very hot. I have a 2015 S85D with the panoramic sunroof and have no problems. I did have my windows tinted with Autobahn Ceramic i3 film and had Llumar Air80 installed on the front windshield. That makes a big difference. Cabin us nice and cool all summer long.
My baby is a 2013 Model S 60Kwh battery still going strong. There cars are made to last. I did get a Rivian tho, charging at 200 kw. It's a different beast all together as well. Great video.
My issue with buying any vehicle that’s that old with that many miles for new car money, leaving aside any Tesla-specific concerns you outlined, isn’t that I’d be missing out on newer features. It’s that things *will* start breaking at that age. Plastics degrade over time, especially if it spent a lot of time in the sun, so things will become brittle and snap. Trim panels will rattle. Rubber coatings will turn to goo. If you’re in a rust-prone area, there’s that concern. The mechanical parts EVs do have will start failing. Meanwhile, you could take that same $25k and buy a brand new car with no wear, no damage, no concerns about whether the previous owner neglected it, and years of warranty.
I would expect a suspension refresh at 200k miles and battery swap around 150k. Otherwise can't see a reason to get rid of it. Cost of operation is going to be much lower.
I have had mine for 3 months and love it. Sometimes though when I’m backing up the drive shaft (I think) slips into park. Scary, having Tesla check it out next week. I have no warranty so hope it’s not to much
Only bad thing is insurance on them, I noticed average is about $2400 a year. Even when I quoted one it went up $900 on my policy here in Florida. They are nice cars though.
It's hard to believe there are Tesla cars that are over 10 years old now. Where did the time go?
I was thinking the same thing
Well they've been advertising possibly making a new model for about ten years, so it adds up.
@@why6212 Here's to getting a CyberTruck in 2030? Crap, I might be retired by then.
@@why6212 they don’t advertise
@@eddypan007 they dont PAY for advertising. They still advertise.
A bonus is if you ever get in a front end collision you can upgrade it to look like a new model and make sure the panel gaps are done right.
I know I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the pre-facelift design.
LOL
@@griffensander don’t feel alone, I have a 2015 S85D and love the original nose cone!
@@griffensander i do too tbh
Where do you go to get the upgraded facelift?
You did very well! My first Tesla was a 2014 Model S P85. I loved that car but it was RWD, and I live in snowy Michigan. So, when I found out Tesla was going to end their free, unlimited Supercharging program starting in 2017, I bought a new 2016 Model S P100DL on 12/31/2016 - the very last day for free Supercharging. And, boy, am I glad I did! I’m now retired and can take road trips all over - and no cost for electricity. I even put Tesla Solar panels and 3 Powerwall batteries at home, so even those electrons are free. And I still only have just north of 57K miles on my Ludicrous beast, and it drives like it did the first day I drove it home. I also love that I and my family travel in one of the safest cars NHTSA has ever tested. Enjoy your Free Supercharging Model S - you’ll never want to let it go!
CORRECTION: The Nissan Leaf is not $32,000. The Leaf still qualifies for state and federal tax incentives worth $10,500 so the actual cost is $21,500 (before state sales tax).
😭😭 I live in the country in Michigan and my forte cries. I’ve gotten stuck so many times.
@clot shots Well, duh, of course they weren’t free. Neither is $4 -$5/gal gas, is it? Or $120+/mo electricity. Every day that goes by I recoup some of those costs. Every time I drive between Michigan and Florida, several times a year, I’m recouping those costs. And every time there is a power outage, and people can’t do the things they normally do, and lose their a/c or possibly heat, and can’t even pump gas locally, I don’t know about it until someone tells me. Or I see it on the news. I felt bad for the folks in the South and East of the U.S. last year when Russian hackers took a major U.S, gas pipeline offline, closing thousands of gas stations. But then I just drove on through. So, if your point is that I had to pay some $ extra up front for the benefits an EV and Solar/Battery Storage offer, you got me. And would I do it again if I had the opportunity to go back in time? In a heartbeat, friend, in a heartbeat!
@clot shots Well, clotty, if you paid for your house with cash, you would save a lot of money in interest. That’s kinda the same concept: spend more up front and save big in he long run. The way I look at it, it’s 1,250 miles between my house in Michigan and Florida. If I had a somewhat comparable fossil-burner that got 25 mpg, at $4/gal it would take me 50 gallons of gas and cost me $200 for gas - one way! Round-trip, $400. I make that round trip an average of about 4 times/yr. So, I save about $1,600/yr at today’s gas prices - just on THOSE 4 round trips using Tesla Superchargers. Do you know what Tesla used to charge customers to add the Supercharging option when you ordered your car online? $2,000. Yeah. So, I think I got a good deal. Not to mention not having to pay for oil changes, belts, hoses, fuel filters, oil filters, exhaust systems, catalytic converters, water pumps, fuel pumps, brakes (regen braking means mostly one-pedal driving resulting in very little wear & tear on brake pads), radiators, oil gaskets, tune-ups…. need I go on? Same thing with the Solar/Battery system. It saves me when I drive on sunshine, AND when I power my house. With the not-insignificant benefit of NEVER losing power. Oh, and I have the peace of mind knowing I’m not funding mass killers like Vladimir Putin, ISIS, or MBS in Saudi Arabia. And if a pipeline goes down or the grid goes out because of foreign hackers - congratulation! You’re helping to fund them with your generous weekly donations via the gas pump. So, I don’t know about you, but I’m happy with my decisions. They kinda fall in the no-brainer category. If you can’t understand.,, well, see above. Have a nice day!
@@Widdermaker That sounds great,the thing is a model X is $100.000 and solar panels and battery backup cost is approx $30.000 and tesla ended the supercharge deal ,be that as it may my friend gave me a ride in a model Y and yes it's a no Brainerd, I want one.
I drove my 2013 Model S for 9 years and 185k miles. It had every upgrade and it was great. Replaced the MCU and the drive unit just like you mentioned. I sold it last year for 15,000 to a person at work because i was afraid someone like carmax would just rip it apart of auction it off to someone else who would. It was too great of a car. But now I have the 2022 Model X Plaid and dear lord is it fast! I think old S's are a great buy.
15K goes into budget for myself once i start looking for a car so glad to know its possible and know what to look for
You're a good guy.
What do you do for living
dang, wish I could get that. I'm a broke graduate student :(
@@stiaankruger2699 absolutely not. I sold it for cheap to a friend because it was still a great car. And I upgraded not because it stopped working but because I'm a child who wanted to go fast in a plaid. It charged for 9 years almost completely offset by my Tesla solar. My electric bills were 15-20 dollars a month. And it's still nicer than most new cars that you can get today. My car was 70k new and I got back 10k from state and federal returns and I could have sold it for 25 easily, by the way. Paying 35k to drive a car of that quality for almost a decade is not a bad deal.
My Tesla is one of the first teslas delivered and first 2,000 ever made! It has 127k miles and is still amazing! Fun facts, we lived in Cali at the time we got it and got invited to go pick the car up at the factory and ended up meeting Elon! He gave us a little tour of the factory in a golf cart and signed our car! As our car is getting older we just got the driver inside mirror (where the signature is) replaced so we can frame it. The car is in awesome condition and drives like a dream. I have people getting in my car daily saying it’s one of the nicest cars they ever been in and are blow away when I say it’s a 2013.
Wow that car would be a treasure in future.. Just asking did you have any other Tesla's along with the 2013 MS?
Tesla is also leading the way in making it so you don't own your car, they're shit boxes to anyone who actually wants to own what they buy
Are you looking to sell?
@@redbullsauberpetronas could you elaborate on how that is?
Don't ever get rid of ittttt
I worked for Tesla for 7+ years. The Model S Powertrain is anything but bulletproof...
Now with the price of gas, the free supercharging makes it a no-brainer. I have a 2014 I bought as a re-furb directly from Tesla in 2017. It still drives like the day I got it. No rattles (unlike my old Chevy Volt) and really no deficiencies. I just had the motor replaced under warranty, since it's still under the 8 year drive train warranty, which expires next December. I'm hoping my battery goes bad, so I can get that taken care of under warranty, but it's still got a lot of life in it, so I don't think it will die anytime soon. I'm hoping some third party Tesla repair shops start showing up in my area, and with repair prices lower than Tesla's. Anyway, I hope you MS is still giving you good service.
I did the same just one year behind you. Same experience. Pretty sure I got the very last used MS sold by Tesla that they did not strip off the free supercharging.
...but that makes it a crap shoot, hoping the major components fail before the warranty expires.
How do we get used cars directly from Tesla? Could u pls explain. Thanks
@@ARUNKUMAR-gf3zv the Tesla website had them listed, and had each vehicle's specs. Don't know if they still are selling used. They definitely stopped selling refurbs.
@@ARUNKUMAR-gf3zv On Tesla home page click Existing Inventory instead of Custom Order. Then adjust filter to include used vehicles.
Griffen: I am glad that you have given an used Telsa Model S a second life. In a modern world, we often look forward to what is new and trendy, and upgrade whenever we can. What we have forgotten is that it takes a lot of resource to build an EV. The cleanest (lowest emission and impact) to switch to an EV is to get an used one. Congrats.
I hope one day EVs last as long as my Duramax without major repairs :/
Thats wrong, the market decides the longevity of vehicles based on expected maintenance cost and longevity. Not the individual. A model s won’t suddenly be worthless and discarded, only if repairs are prohibitively expensive compared to a viable alternative.
Old cars get worse mileage and they stink of farts
I want to be the first person to fart in my car.
@@BoleDaPole real
Hey Griffen! This is John in Austin- I wanted to report to you that my 2014 Model S 85D just turned over 187,000 miles! It's the most reliable car I've ever had! The battery still takes a full charge of 235 miles. THERE IS NO REASON TO EVER BUY NEW!! I Highly recommend a nice used one AND... the mileage IS NOT the same as a gas car. The only sign of wear is on the edge of the seat!
how long does it take to charge?
@@brianjones740520min
I made exactly that 4 years ago because my Fiat broke down the fifth time (still under warranty). So I needed a new car and a new Tesla was far far beyond my financial possibilities. After 4 years with my 12/13 Model S I am still super duper happy. Yes I had MCU Retrofit and more but all was worth it. Free Supercharger and it never broke down on me. I can't say that from my previous cars. I just passed 200'000 km and looking forward to the next 100'000 km to go.
Dude bought a Fiat holy shit
@@roboticvenom1935 Humans make mistakes.
Let’s appreciate the overlap here of Fiat buyers and Tesla buyers. Let that sink in.
I have a 2017 90D with 124K. I drive a lot. No major issues. Still drives perfectly fine.
I'm shocked at the minimal level of battery degradation. I was under the impression they degraded substantially quicker
I already knew what 4 seconds 0-60 felt like, being in Corvettes and S-model Audi's. Under 3 seconds is totally different. Take my word.
I bought a used 2015 Model S just as covid locked us down ... I've since retired ... I've driven my beauty fewer than a dozen times, but she gets plenty of miles ... my daughter-in-law uses it to take my son to work daily (now that gas prices have made their huge extended cab pick-up too expensive to drive) and does all my errands for me ... I also benefit from free supercharging (though it's almost never used) and the remainder of the original warrantee (that doesn't expire until Nov) ... this purchase was one of the best decisions I've made, and the timing wasn't as bad as I originally thought (current gas prices considered)
Just found a 2014 60d with a new battery, unlimited supercharging, and premium connect. The only thing it doesn't have is MCU2 upgrade, definitely thinking of buying it.
Greetings from Spain!
I very much agree with you!
I have a 2013 P85 with 160,000 miles on it. Keeps the original MCU and battery. Range is 215 miles (260 at nominal) and the motor was recently replaced with a fixed unit.
I got my Tesla at a great price with a broken driver's lock and bad sunroof. But I was able to fix it for only $30, buying a sensor for the lock and lithium grease for the roof, albeit taking several hours to fix the lock.
I am very happy with my Tesla
Hello there! Where did you get the fixed motor from and how much did it cost?
@@razvanpopa9624 6100 € in the Service Center from Malaga (Spain)
Excellent Video!!!! I like how you slowly, with a very nice pace, are able to explain things very clearly and concisely. And I am glad you feel satisfied with your Tesla. I have a 2014 P85D with Ludicrous mode, and had made all those upgrades you talk about as they were coming, including the MCU thingy. The only problem I had was with the original battery that its capacity dropped below 85% at about 37000 miles with it, but it was within the warranty period, so it was changed for free and never got that problem again, and the new pack has more than 170,000 miles on it. I also checked the motor bearings issue and my car was equipped with the newer versions, so I am also good on that. I added a secondary market electronic frunk remote opener for my wife's convenience. And because of the OTA, the Air suspension, improved Regen and lifetime Supercharging the car doesn't feel like an 8-year old car. The only thing I paid for myself was to repaint the car again, but this time with a Polar White color with some Pear-like hues, and did an Upholstery change where I made my own covers in three color sets- Bright Salmon Red, Metallic Green and Cobalt Blue. It certainly looks a little different, but better than the old white paint and black interior( I actually hated the black color interior, so I learned how to use my wife's sewing machine, a new Bernina B880 with embroidery capabilities, and made my own stuff). I never cared about those panel gaps, they were not that big deal for me, I cared more about any rattle that could appear, and they never did, and my car is rattle free so far. I can say that my car is a gem, because as expected, no need of maintenance like an ICE car, no gasoline expenses, reliability have been exceptional, seats 5 people easily and comfortably. The comfort is first rate. I would like to switch my steering wheel to the Yoke. I tested a new Model S with the Yoke and became mesmerized by it!!! The only real expense are the tires, I have to change them every 45-50000 miles, and I am buying 80K Michelin or Pirelli, and those are quite expensive for the set of 4. But anything else is super economical. Again, I am so happy you found your Tesla. I will assure you will enjoy it for a long, long time with the proper care like I have done with mine!!!!!!
You want to switch to a yoke.. which objectively provides less comfort and has objectively dogshit touch capacitive buttons that you'll often hit by accident (as reviewers point out while driving it for a long time)
are you an idiot? There's a reason why NOBODY uses a F1 style racing wheel in cars except Tesla . Because it doesn't make sense, Jesus
What's ya battery health
The way you narrate is quite amazing.
I agree. He's very well spoken and extremely articulate.
I have a 2014 s with 73k miles and we LOVE it. free supercharin for life too, cant beat it
I’d love to buy one used but in this car market, they sell almost instantly at ridiculously inflated prices so $25k is a bit of a streach for the time being
Yea I haven't seen any worth buying under $32k+ in Texas.
@@morganlingsweiler9813 Here in Florida you're lucky to find one under $40k at the moment, and that's a low spec model S that's 8 years old with 80k miles minimum
@@DaPopeOfDope101 the older models aren't especially reliable. Kind of comparable to a German vehicle in terms of cost of maintenance. Drive units typically need replacing sometime after 70k miles, and that's about $5-7k. Suspension components wear quickly due to the heavy weight of the vehicle. Should you need a new battery, it would almost be cheaper to buy another car
now is the time
The used tesla prices are plummeting now as of feb '23
Happy owner of a 2015 P85D with all the options (CCS2, MCU2, Harman Kardon soound etc). I'd have to go for a Plaid or EQS to get something to replace it. Done 240k km so far.
cool... it is great that we are finally getting to the point where some of the older models are 'affordable'. In a few more years there will be lots more used Tesla's available. Love how well it seems to have held up. I hope my model 3 is still doing as well in 2030.
I had been thinking of going to take a look at a 60D 2013 and now you have given me some things to ask about. Thank you. For those reading this in the future, this is April of 2023.
Loved watching your video! I am the proud owner of a 2013 S P85 that I bought a little over 2 years ago with 185K miles on it. Yes, you read that right! She now has 234K miles and is an absolute dream. Minor issues like door handles, first brake pads put on at 8 1/2 years and of course tires every 25 to 39K miles. I go back and forth from New Jersey to Florida for work and free supercharging?
PRICELESS!!
Best car I’ve ever owned!
What's the battery health?
I also bought mine with high miles (192k) and love it. I also have had a few issues but it is still one of the best most fun cars I have ever owned. Only thing I'm annoyed about is that I only get about 220miles per full charge.....boooooooo!
I test-drove the P85D back in 2013. It cost like 200k USD in my region at the time. I loved that 4.4s acceleration but i wasn't able to afford back then. Now I drive a Model 3 performance and I'm glad to see the original P85D I fell in love with still holds.
I have a 2013 Model S 85, but I test drove a M3P a while back just for the hell of it. Wow talk about a rocket, and all the traction with the AWD.
It's interesting to see that they're holding their value well.
It's a shame Tesla can't still offer subsidised charging rates to entice new owners.
As far as I can see, they're the only EV manufacturer that offers both good range and performance. I'm sure others will catch up but it's still early days for this market.
I'll stick with diesel for as long as its economically viable.
The free supercharging as an incentive is a thing of the past. Demand is outpacing supply and incentives are no long necessary. My 2018 Model S has free supercharging for long as I own the vehicle. It's nice on road trips, but has really only saved me a few hundred dollars so far.
I wonder why the maker of your diesel doesn't pay for the lifetime of your vehicles fuel? Strange.
@@cyumadbrosummit3534 I know right?! I'm gutted 😂
Electricity is already much cheaper than gas. Why would it need to be subsidized lol?
"as far as I can see"
What? The longest range EV's aren't even produced by Tesla, they're made by other companies. ALL BRANDS have long range EV's now with niche exceptions like Mazda, polestar, etc.
Tesla isn't even leading with range, and there are many vehicles that have the range of model 3 and model S..
I rented a Tesla in hertz and was amazed of how nice they are. I was worried about charging them. But I was able to ‘fill it up’ in about half an hour. The time it take me to plug it. Go to the store I front. Buy a couple things and get back to the car and check my messages
Never get tired of hearing how old Teslas still feel new. No planned obsolescence here mate! Can't say that about big auto, even some German cars now.
Not yet at least. Just give them some time at the top and they probably will
Make it all German cars, everything's plastic and shit since the last decade at least afaik.
@clot shots By 2040, you can safely go all electric.
@clot shots Then you have bigger problems, also solar!
@clot shots
Well, if the grid goes down, you're not pumping any gas (electric pumps!) but if you have solar your EV will be fine. (If not, I'm sure if you look down your street, someone with solar would let you plug in!?)
2023, I just purchased a 2015 model S 85 here in AU. These cars are more expensive here in the used market but mine was a bargain, I paid 60k for this car with only 34k kilometers on it. It still has the MCU1 but this had the EMMC upgraded to 64G, it also has autopilot 1, and all the other goodies like free super charging. A beautiful and very clean car. I will be picking it up from the dealership tomorrow. I am SO looking forward to it. I have just had 2 x gen 3 wall power connectors installed at my house and holiday house, both 32amp. Both houses have solar panels at 16 KW/hr.
I had a 2013 model S 85kwh. Absolutely loved it, so did my kids back then it was like a spaceship that got envious look everywhere we went. Had to sell it 3 years later but was an absolute blast. However one thing I should point out is that those models did not have the Heat pump yet. So in cold weather the range drops significantly in winter, and starting up and getting it running takes some minutes of driving before all features become able. Other than all good
People were envious how? Lol 😆
@@petermiller9904 Back then where I lived you would see a Tesla maybe only twice a week on the road. Were hard to get in my city waitlist was 6-7 months. They would roll windows down at intersections to ask me questions or come speak to me in parking lots.
@@petermiller9904 Tell us you've never owned a cool car without saying you've never owned a cool car.
@@shane864 you are so smart 🤓 here’s a cookie 🍪 🤣
Talking about buying a Tesla off Craigslist. This is the quality of the channel.
Just picked up my model 3 75kwh Dual motor with 28k miles for £33k. A bit more, but good value. I dont think the dealership realised it came with enhanced auto pilot which was an added bonus. Absolutely love. Looking to own it for a long time.
I think these old teslas, with the spec you’ve stated, are the way to go, as long as it’s cheaper than a model 3.
I mean this was only 25k and new model 3 is 40k. I would rather buy 2018 Model S for that 40K than new model 3.
I have model s p85d and its as beautiful car and I love it. They last forever as long as you maintain it and drive normal not gun it at every stop sign or green light. I got mine in 2020 at 48k and upgraded MCU to 2 and enjoy the free supercharge and changed front with unplugged to a more modern look. Great buy. Smart investment.
The miles and charge cycles aren't the problem. What concerns me about the battery packs is something called "calendar aging" which means even with low cycles on the battery pack, they still age. Since cars use higher quality cells than things like tools and cell phones, and take better care of charging, it's hoped the battery packs will last 15-20 years, but this is still unexplored territory. I replaced my S with a new one for that reason.
3:25 $1500 and $500 more to get the radio… that’s a steal !
My main issue is that I've seen where people need repairs and it will take literal months. And in a lot of cases they take the car from you to begin with and you just don't have a car in the meantime. So I would definately watch the video you make where you have something that needs to be repaired on it thats more than routine maintenance. I would be interested to see if you could find anyone besides Tesla to actually work on it, and to see how long the repairs takes to do.
Your main issue appears to be that you haven't research recently.
I suggest checking the "Model 3 man" UA-cam channel (Canadian).
A recent second (both non-fault) accident resulted in the need for extensive repair of his model 3, which was completed by a Tesla approved independent shop in record time, with impeccable service and communication from both them *and* Tesla, who without prompting were sending direct updates of parts supplied.
Might change your mind(???)
I am *so glad* you made this video. I don't drive. I don't have a license, let alone a car. But, I am a massive car guy, and always have been. I'm also an environmentalist, and I'm happy to see people like you buying a really early Model S. I've heard the exact same superficial issues with early Model S's too, like the interior fit and finish not being great, and body panel gaps being massive. But, I've always been more interested to know more about stuff like motors, and the cost of a battery pack. 9% capacity loss, to me at least, is manageable. I live in Toronto. What I'd like to know is whether it would be possible to replace the older 85kWh battery pack with the newer 100kWh pack. An older Model S is something I'm seriously open to once I save up enough money.
Only cars that originally came with the 100KWh battery can use a 100KWh battery. IIRC there are some structural differences in the frame of the 100KWh Model S's to support the extra weight. The smaller 40, 60, 70, 75, and 85KWh cars can all be upgraded to 90KWh batteries though.
@@griffensander That's a relief. I'm assuming the same thing applies to the Model X as well?
Yes, it can be done. Only requirement that the original S should have air suspension due to increased weight. I'm waiting on one to upgrade ;)
I want to get a used Tesla Model S someday preferably with the panoramic roof, autopilot, and the ludicrous mode.
The roof is dumb and causes issues..
I applaud you because at 100,000 miles this vehicle is now properly green in the sense that at 90,000 miles the carbon footprint of the Tesla will have matched and equivalent fossil fuel vehicle so your Tesla has paid back it's carbon footprint of construction and use since new. My internal combustion car is 6 years old since new with 25,000 miles. I have no intention of selling any time soon as I still think there are going to be changes in the EV market that might dramatically impact the value of older EV's and there is no way I could currently finance or justify a new EV of my choice.
You should get an fm to Bluetooth receiver instead of the full fm upgrade depending on how much you use fm of course if you used it everyday then the upgrade would probably be worth it, but if you’re only going to use it like once a month the fm to Bluetooth receiver might be a better deal.
Totally agree p85 is awesome
I bought the 2013 version 3 years ago.
I recall a Finnish 2nd hand Model S driver had his car blown up on UA-cam. It was his protest at the high cost of replacing the battery ($20k+), the replacement cost completely destroyed the economics of buying a 2nd hand Tesla.
I think it could have been solved by replacing a few bad cells rather than the whole pack. Trouble is that no-one offers this service in Finland. I don't think Rich Rebuilds has gone international yet!
Otherwise, it's worth something in terms of spare parts, but obviously far less than a working model.
I believe there's a company in the U.S. that simply disconnects the bad cells with slightly reduced range. Unfortunately there aren't enough electric car shops out there that can help. A 20k repair on a 20-40k car would be devastating.
@@camaroman101 When you replace a few “bad cells”, then how many hours before other cells go bad? 🔥💸💸💸
You're correct, there are some shops that do this, but it is a terrible practice that I hope never takes hold. Adding new cells into a pack full of old, but still good cells massively imbalances the pack. This will put much more strain on all the cells, both new and old. The only way this can be properly done is to have various old packs you can use as parts so you can match the cells as closely as possible and maintain balance.
@@griffensander I think with the new Model Y, the cells will be impossible to replace anyway on account of the structural pack design. However as others have stated, maybe the bad cells can be isolated and bypassed. Of course that depends on the pack design, If that prolongs life at the expense of performance, for an old car out of warranty I dont think it will matter.
Bypassing even a single cell creates a massive imbalance in the pack. While it may function, bypassing cells is a VERY bad idea...
Coworker bought a 2013 with 60k miles for 23k a year ago. 10 months after buying, it won't drive, giving him a message to get it serviced. Tesla wants to charge him 23 grand for a new battery. Because it doesn't drive, the best offer he has received for the car is 500$. He is now stuck paying a car loan while getting rides from us.
Yes you can't fix a Tesla battery problem in your backyard.
Sure
Great video! I bought my 2014 Model S 60 last year for $25K and I love it. I had to replace my drive unit back December 2021 due coolant seal failure ($4800), a door handle motor ($250), and a window regulator ($400). But other than that, I love having a Model S. I've wanted one for years.
Where did you find one for that cheap? Here in AZ most are 35k+ best wishes!
LMFAo yet another drive unit failure
These older teslas have as many issues as BMW's, Mercedes, etc.
good grief, more to come btw
@@adriansanchez-luna2968in Germany too, he’s probably from USA
I am not the target audience at all, but I found this video very useful and entertaining. Good job keeping focus on the most important thing.
Great find and some good points. I have a 2018 MS P100DL with 740HP and 75K Miles. The battery health is 98% and it has never let me down, so few moving parts to break. I have had the upgraded EMMC put in and It has all the options except FSD but does have enhanced Autopilot and Free Supercharging thanks to a friends referral code. All EV's are more reliable so it's not just Tesla but they have been doing it longer so obviously have an edge. Best of luck with your P85 and thanks for the video!!
It's like buying any luxury car used, there are alot of car specific issues to avoid but if you can find a gem jump on it 😅
I was looking for a model S p85kw 2013 and i had some doubts, ty for this video. I have clear ideas now❤️
Any updates?
Do not buy a used Tesla, or a new one at that lmao…ticking time bomb.
@@USNEM Even if the primary battery system completely failed (which seems to be rare), the price of a brand new set is expensive BUT still much cheaper than a brand new Tesla car payment.
Great review on an older MS. I own a new MS Plaid and love it, now thinking of a second used MS after your video, cheers.
Loved the video, been waiting for someone knowledgeable to do one to use as a template to avoid the pitfals of buying a used Tesla model S. Thanks so much, so helpful.
because of you I got a model S P85 :) 160.000km and new battery 2021, and drive unit. Im gonna change the screen and upgrade to 4g. Think I can have it for 4-5 years without problems. The new battery has Guarantee for 4 years / 100.000km. Think im gonna love it!
I have a 13 P85 as well. Did MCU upgrade, love it! Wish it had the folding mirrors though ugh! So far is amazing. Took it for 3 hr road trip, one charge and back home. 0 cost. Best investment ever! Great video! Btw mine has same interior, rims etc with 95k miles
Cost zero unless its a company car you paid a fair amount for it ?
Seem a good car but here in the UK for example there would never be a enough charging points.
Also we have a lot of terraced housing where people on pavements away from their homes
@@BRUNO-hl9yb yeah we have charging points EVERYWHERE in the states. It was a free charge for me
Did you pay for the MCU upgrade or was it part of the recall? They did mine and nothing really changed. Curious as to the "upgrades" everyone is referring to lol
@@levashiamiller1955 I paid the $1500 plus $500 for retaining radio. It does 4G now and it's the best investment ever in these 12-16 models honestly
@@levashiamiller1955 did they do the mcu2 upgrade or did they add gb to the mcu1? The entire layout on the bottom is different. If yours looks exactly the same, you didn't get MCU2
Those that think the seats are bad haven’t sat in a 2017 Bolt. lol
Great vid. Too many focus on new.
Thanks for the video. I bought a 2013 P85 in 2020 with just over 55,000 miles for just over $30K. Did just about all the homework you mentioned prior to buying. Love the car. However, about 22k miles and 18 months later, more importantly, six months after the 8-year battery warranty ran out I got a horrid error “Maximum battery charge level has been reduced.” The cost to repair was just short of $12,000. The good news is my car now has a battery charge level like it had when it was new, and I have the assurance of a 4 year warranty on the battery. With all the great and helpful insight included n this video about potential costs to buying a used older Tesla, Im surprised that the potential to have to replace the battery was left out. Hope you enjoy your Tesla for many years without ever running into this horrid message on your dash. Thanks again for the video.
If you are in usa you have electrified motors and some other companies that will replace only the dead cells in your battery.
USA is probably the best place on the planet to drive a out of warranty Tesla at the moment
Have you seen the repair costs on any of Toyota or Jeep Grand Cherokee new diesels. 12k isn’t even that bad to be perfectly honest considering life maintenance costs.
5 injectors, a turbo, intercooler, manifold clean and a DPF is 22k on the current model hilux and land cruiser prados. However this is 2017-19 models and they are coming in for this work under warranty!!!
Hey I’m curious after you received the warning message would your Tesla charge and drive at all? It sounds like it would have less range but still function. Thanks!
@@nated4949 Thanks for the question. When the error message first appeared it would charge to about 50 miles. This made me think that I had time to put off the repair because I could still get to work and essential stuff, and the nearest Tesla Service center was about 25 miles. But, I was wrong. With each charge cycle, I was losing range. Within a couple of weeks, the car was no longer driveable because the range was reduced to about 5 miles. I had to have it towed to the service center.
@@RevRich721 Does the vehicle warranty transfer between old and new owner if you do not buy it from tesla? They have a thing on their website saying it doesn't but I thought US laws said it had too? Thinking about buying a 2018 model S with the unlimited mile warranty and driving the snot out of it. I drive uber so were talking 60K+ a year. Most cars I buy I break the warranty in the first 2 years.
Bought my 2015 Model S in 2020 and could not be happier. Traded in my 9 years old Chevi Volt 😁
Your video is awesome bro. I’m deciding on a 2013-14 model myself, and really appreciated the details you shared. Thanks for being so precise!
I bought a 2015 used. Upgraded for 90KWH pack, next gen seats, and Autopilot (AP1). No regrets. Let.me know if you have any questions.
I drove a 2013 loaner from Tesla and the difference in terms of ride and refinement was striking. I think they just didn't take care of their loaners was part of it.
@@usa-ev how much did those upgrades cost lmao
@@roboticvenom1935 Thousands! And worth it. :)
I have since driven some without these options and if I had driven them first I may not have purchased mine. As Elon said there is a night and day difference between early models and today's models. Seems like there was a big improvement during late 2015 and I'm sure at points since then as well.
@@usa-evHow much did all of that cost?
@simkela I don't know. These were standard features and options from the factory at the time it was built. I just bought it as a used car paying attention to make sure the used car I was choosing had these factory features. I would encourage others to do the same or better. It's a lovely car and driving experience!
Last year I picked up a 2014 Tesla model S RWD 85 khw with 54,003, the tech package, a clean carfax and sunroof for $28,700. This same model brand new retailed for $92,100. My bank valued it at $40,000 so there are some deals out there if you look.
Model S P85D used to be my dream car. But then I saw one up close and realized that the size of it (length, width), was far larger than what I feel comfortable driving. So, I had to adjust my dream to a model 3. Even used, they are far more expensive than what I can afford. Someday… hopefully.
I have that exact same model I understand… it’s a real wide car I struggle in drive thrus lol. But you get used to it and it’s the best car I’ve ever had! Extremely fast, nothing like the plaid but still faster than anything you need street legal 😂
Why a rather ugly model 3 and not another model..
You know other brands are making EV's and will continue to do so right?
@@roboticvenom1935 It’s a model s not a model 3, it’s actually a great looking car and fast and reliable!
Im a professional test driver and I had to take full size pickup training years ago and was nervous about driving such a big truck. As long as you pay attention to the corners of your vehicle and figure out when you need to go a little wide, you'll get used to it and it wont be an issue. A lot of drivers have big car anxiety but it almost always goes away pretty quick. I'd suggest you rent a full size sedan or pickup for a couple weeks and see if you're certain that you cant stand it, you might just change your mind. Cheers.
Yea they're photogenic cars that don't really live up to the hype close up.
I live inland Australia with a 2014 Model S85P+ Signature. it has done over 350000km and had the DU (on warranty) and MCU replaced. I did a few door handle repairs and exchanged the 12v battery. we have bad roads out here (plus it has done a few 1000km of dirt roads) and all 4 front control arms have been replaced by now. Battery degradation is 14% only. I have a full size spare tire in the frunk, don't know of any other EV which can do that. Tesla Service in Australia is impeccable, extremely helpful and spares very reasonably priced. Can charge 22kW on AC which has been a trip saver many times. Still free SuC. I colour matched the nose cone to the rest of the car which is sort of a soft face lift (or refresh how it is called in the US). Best car I ever had and I very much recommended a well looked after but high mileage S any time. Get someone to read out and interpret battery stats though.
Thank you for the details in your video. Very informative. I've wanted a model S since they first came out.
dude these teslas are ripe with issues, they cost more then a GAS car if you have average luck
The drive motor will shut itself, for most people it's within 100k miles, that's $5000
And then the inevitable battery pack repair, total system failure is what it is.. $13k repair.. INSANE
Great video! I bought a used 2011 Chevy Volt for $6,800 in 2021. Great car, but runs on the engine for any long distance trip exceeding the ~32 miles I get on the battery. Additionally, in the winter (in Illinois), it almost always runs on the engine, since it gets so cold. Seemingly any temperature under ~40 degrees F, it'll primarily run on gasoline. Not sure if it's just mine, or if this is common with all Gen1 Volts, but I get horrible mpg in the cold. Right now it's about 5 degrees F, the Volt gets about 18 mpg. Around 32 degrees, it may get about 25 mpg (around 75 degrees, usually around 38 mpg). AND, all Gen1 Volts require premium gasoline. Gets pretty expensive to drive in the winter. A used Tesla may be in my future when my Volt's life is done.
Hmm, that is strange. Yes your battery life will go down in the cold for sure (~40% as Illinois gets in the single digits routinely) but your fuel economy shouldn't suffer anywhere as much.
For a comparison point I took a road trip from the Twin Cities to Milwaukee and then Duluth, MN last week. The whole time it was single digits or below zero. In my 2003 Lexus ES300 I can get roughly 29-30mpg on the highway going 75mph during warm weather. Going the same speed in the winter I'm getting ~25-26. That's on the order of 15% loss, not 35% like you are describing.
@@AnalogWolf yeah, idk why the fuel efficiency drops so much. I wonder what causes it & if the Gen2 Volts are any different.
Good info, that battery is probably all you need to worry about, but it's significant, 23 large when it goes. Although, there are shops out there now who claim to be able to fix the batteries for far less than replacement cost.
$11k, most recent report.
I don't know, watched a lot of Tesla x,y and z high mileage vids, and boy those out of warranty Tesla prices....Trust me, battery will be the last of your concerns
@@stuartburns8657can you give me the link for that vid please?
Honest to god I want a tesla, and the only possible way I can afford one is old and used.... this video really helped me understand what I'm preparing to get myself into. thanks man!
Posted elsewhere in the thread, check out Bjørn Nyland (Norway).
He repurchased his original 2013 model S last year and as an exercise for his channel had extensive testing / replacement done by *extremely* thorough independent repairers.
Great resource of possible problems, prevention, replacement and/ or repair.
Try
ua-cam.com/video/MoE4gcXJN7o/v-deo.html
Keep in mind Consumer Report gave the Tesla Model S their highest rating ever when it first came out with 103 points now because of mostly reliability issues it scores a pathetic 60 points.
Yeah reliability is shit, the drive units go out on all these older teslas, often due to coolant failure, $5000+ repair minimum
Two points. Don't buy a Tesla Model S prior to November 2014 or you won't get autopilot - which you will find out is awesome for long trips. Plus you get self-parking and summon. Secondly, free supercharging for life was discontinued for new models in 2016. If buying a used Tesla Model S prior to 2016, you can ONLY have the freebie transferred to you if you buy directly from an owner. If you buy a pre-2016 model from a car dealership or Tesla itself the freebie is not transferable.Be aware of that.
If I didn't know I would have thought you were a fellow Brit . Smart, Intelligent and Clearly spoken
What happens if the battery goes bad and the warranty is gone? This is a serious question and I would appreciate legit non emotional answers from people who are fully informed. It wasn’t addressed in the video. I’d love to have a Tesla and I can fix anything if i can get parts but I heard the battery is crazy expensive if it fails and I hear they do fail. I’d be interested to know how common this failure is also. I’d be very upset if I bought a car for 25k and then had to buy a new battery for 13 grand. Can you get extended warranties affordably that cover battery failure? Are there options where you can just get individual bad cells replaced instead of the whole pack or something similar? Lmk. Thanks in advance!!
Finnish guy chose to blow up his 2013 Model S with dynamite rather than pay for new battery.
Good luck, you are gonna need it !!!
your contents all are so great! keep moving!!!!
Bought my Model S in December. Love it!
got my 2014 model s 60 last year couldnt be happier, its saving me 12k a year. I was lucky to get a late 2014 with autopilot and 2nd gen seats with slightly more padding. free supercharging for life will pay for my car over life of vehicle. I got mine for 29,500 but now similar models with more miles and less features local are sellig for 39,900. regardless what its worth I plan to drive it as long as possible. if anyone does research and knows what to expect going into buying an early model s they will be very happy if they are patient and find a good one (which most are maybe just need some minor touching up)
Still driving it. Still loving it. 130k miles strong so far 💚🙏
Yeah… I bought Pontiac vibe 2005 with 91k miles (California used) salvage for 1500$, fixed bumper and installed dashcams, iPad holder and sound system… I know it’s ugly, but boy… now it has 230k miles. I only change oil, tires and brakes!
My ipad more expensive then my car! No issues, super reliable even throughout almost 20 years
It's good until you have to replace your original battery which actually fails around 140 k miles( at least for me it did) then you're shelling out 12 k + to fix or more to replace it.
Yeah these teslas are literally as or less reliable then Mercedes, BMW, aka the worst of the industry. Often shit economically
Unlike say, a Lexus(a reliable luxury vehicle) or a new Genesis
I bought a 2015 model S D 70, upgraded my mcu, love it!
I have a Chevy Volt, and the factory supplied 120 volt charge cord will charge from a 240 volt outlet using an inexpensive adaptor...I'd be surprised if this wasn't also true of the Bolt. Great video, I've got a Cybertruck reserved, and looking forward to becoming a Tesla owner, maybe next year.
Same. Really, same. Including the Cybertruck reserved. LOL. But hey, I love my Volt, it get's me up to 60 mls on a single charge on a good day, I kidd you not. Personally, my ideal were a steady 60mls range. I don't really need more and a Tesla is therefor not really an option at the moment; also, the Volt has a far superior build quality than most Teslas.
I don't know the details of your Volt charger but assuming you have a 4-prong plug your adapter may be doing nothing more than picking up one neutral to hot leg of your 240 thereby supplying 120 to the adapter. That would be no gain over plugging into 120 directly assuming you have a circuit of sufficient ampacity. In any case, it is the rectifier in the vehicle's on-board charging system that determines whether you can use 120 and/or 240. The adapter and charging cord just supply the electrical feed.
@@rogerlevy2160 ua-cam.com/video/lGcSgzVtv4I/v-deo.html I've been using this set up wired two hots and ground for several years, and it charges in 1/4 the time as 120 volts.
I purchased a 2013 Nissan Leaf just under a year ago, for $10k, (financed for $200/mo. just to see the numbers work) as an experiment into my first electric vehicle. Now I have daily data that shows it has been completely free to drive, "eating" about 1,000 miles per month from my 2010 Silverado and 2014 Dodge Caravan. That's including added insurance cost for a 3rd vehicle. The car saves about $10-$15/day in fuel, which covers all expenses of having it. So I'm not looking back with any regret EXCEPT that I should have done this earlier, or gotten something even better.
The miles it can't "eat" are when we have 6 people, or when we know we need much more range than the Leaf gives (like a road trip). So, now I'm re-thinking my experiment and looking for a model S with the 3rd row jump-seats, so we could haul 6 (or 7) people (granted the jump seats are for kids, but that's 4 of the 6), AND take longer road trips. And if I can find one that still has the free unlimited supercharging for life, then we are talking $0 fuel cost aside from charging at home (currently $40/1000mi on home AC roughly).
I'd like to know if you were planning a "one year later" follow-up on the Tesla, as I'm seriously considering the S in the same age range.
Thanks for detailing what to look out for on these older cars; hoping to sell my old BMW i3 (with it's pitifully tiny battery) and get a used Tesla later this year.
You can't beat that Free Unlimited Supercharging. I bought a 2016 Model S even though I have a 2022 X an Y already just because I wanted a car with the Free Unlimited Supercharging. Hoping in a few years battery density will improve so that I can put a new battery pack in there with 500+ miles of range. Maybe its just wishful thinking.
I'm not quite sure what the 25k option is but the model 3 jumped up 25k to 50k. I'd like to see an "everyday american priced" Tesla, something anyone can get at like 15k. Personally I'm getting the model y performance and it's 85k
I think those less expensive options are coming. The problem right now is two-fold:
1) the pandemic-induced supply chain shortages have caused prices to go up on almost everything - IF you can even get them. Thus, even though Tesla has long term contracts for many of the raw materials they use in their cars, supplier price increases on many other parts, and reprogramming semi-conductor chips, meant Tesla had to raise prices to cover these increased costs. And…
2) Demand for Tesla cars has skyrocketed to the point that most models have at least a 6 month to over 1 year waiting list. Because of this, even newer, low-mileage used Tesla’s are fetching prices that match or even exceed the prices they fetched when new. So, to tamp down demand so that wait times don’t get any longer, and to eliminate “Tesla-scalping” by new Tesla owners (i.e., buying a new Tesla only to immediately turn around and sell it used for $5K - $10K more than Tesla they paid for it, pocketing the difference), Tesla has been forced to raise prices.
Once Tesla scales up their 4680 battery production and can meet the demand for both their cars and their battery storage products (Powerwalls, Megapacks, etc.), prices should start coming down.
One thing is clear: demand for Tesla cars is off the charts. They’re growing at about 70%/yr. And their stock price has not done much in over a year (was $880/sh in Jan-2021 after they made 500K cars in 2020; is $980/sh now in Apr-2022 after they made 936K in 2021. They will sell at least 1.5M in 2022 and over 2.3M in 2023. I bought Tesla stock in early 2013 and watched it trade sideways from late-2013 until late 2019 despite Tesla selling 10 times as many cars/yr by 2019. Then the stock exploded in 2020 as Wall Street finally got a clue. Given Tesla’s current growth trajectory, I believe we are currently in another sideways movement of Tesla’s stock price for whatever reason, and that means a huge opportunity for Tesla stock price appreciation. Tesla stock made me a “Teslanaire.” The door is open again, in my opinion, for folks to 10x - 20x their money on Tesla stock in the next 5-10 years. Opportunity is knocking for a 2nd time with Tesla. It may take a few years, but buying their stock in 2013 when everyone laughed at me is one of the best decisions I made in my life.
@@Widdermaker Tesla is not cheap brand and there be no cheaper cars . If there is it's years away.
@@AdrianMcDaid You missed my point - re-read. Better yet, buy Tesla stock like I did and you’ll be able to afford all the Teslas you want in a few years.
@@Widdermaker power to you for holding all those years. You're right it's amazing opportunity but most people are solely focused on their cars. They could make a cheaper car at this point in time (amazingly for how young of a auto company they are) but they have bigger aspirations. Those aspirations will probably be realized, making us very happy investors.
GREAT VID... after reserving my CYBERTRUCK I found a 2015 "S" .... I LOVE EVER AFTER !!!!
You don’t need FM radio if you want to listen to the real radio, most stations have an app. Just connect your phone. Not sure about any drive-ins having apps.
Sounds good, I hope the car continues to do really well for many years to come.
I was gonna say couldn’t you just download an fm app and Bluetooth it right? Idk exactly how Tesla radios work but still
@@user-hg4hz1lx2h the fm apps only rebroadcast from real stations thru the internet. Apps can’t access fm directly.
Excellent review. Clear, detailed, honest (!). But these days I walk (after owning ~60 cars) and beat the traffic jams to my favorite cafe.
9 months later, how are things going with your model s? Any issues, repairs outside of normal wear and tear?
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I'd say that buying replacement parts from Tesla would be a disadvantage over other cars where parts can be sourced from elsewhere - Tesla being the sole supplier can charge a premium for any replacement parts. I understand that Tesla is not too keen on 'right to repair' and this is one reason which would put me off buying into the brand.
Yes, Tesla parts may be expensive, but that frequent repair is not common at all, Tesla cars are very reliable, not like the crap from BMW, Chrysler and GM me and my wife used to drive. The only replacement I had was the battery, and it was labor and cost free. I have a Model P85D that is almost 8 years old, and my wife's Model 3 is from 2019, and we don't know what is a car repair since. But if you buy into something else like Chevy, Ford, VW, BMW or Jaguar, then you could easily have repair problems.
@@jorgerobles8334 Hate to break it to you, but according to consumer reports Tesla ranks second to last in reliability. They also have one of the highest problem rate for new cars on the road today. Frankly Tesla cars are terrible. The tech is great, but the actual cars are not that good.
@@brandons9138 Teslas come in second to last in reliability because for some very odd unexplainable reason Consumer report counts their over the air updates as repairs and since Tesla has so many over the air updates it appears the cars are being "repaired" all the time. But, we know this isn't the case. The cars are very reliable but irrationally rated using this method by some companies as not. Although I am making reference to their current vehicles, not the earlier models. Perhaps despite this backward rating system, the earlier vehicles were not as reliable as today's.
@@richardrisserjr That is not what CR says.
Consumer Reports shows how it obtains its rankings for reliability:
“For reliability, we ask members to note any problems with their vehicles that occurred in the previous 12 months. They are asked to identify problems that they considered serious (because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime). We ask them to include problems covered by warranty, but not the ones resulting from accident damage or due solely to recall. Respondents check off problems from a list of trouble areas, ranging from the engine and transmission to climate system, brakes, electrical system, and power accessories. They also tell us in writing (verbatim) specifically what their experiences were to help us understand precisely what problems they are having.”
CR Director of Vehicle Testing Jake Fisher said that the Model X received incredibly low scores because of continuing issues with its falcon-wing doors. Additionally, The Model Y SUV has build quality issues, Fisher said, especially with “poorly fitting body panels, leaks, and issues with its climate control system,”
So while OTA updates maybe included. It's not the main reason why Tesla tends rank near the bottom. They are just not well built cars.
@@brandons9138 Don't agree with you. I'm very happy with my 8 year old Model S.
Excellent video! This is why I love youtube! My model 3 was involved in an accident. Hit and run. Insurance company totaled it out. I paid 49k for that car in 2019.. insurance issued a check for 52k. Inflation and high demand for electric vehicles have driven prices up significantly. I'm in the market for an older model S until I can finally get my hands on a cybertruck.
A friend of mine has one of these. Its Norwegian (not sure if its 2013 but its very old), old enough he's on lifetime free charging so he's hanging on to it.
I suspect that the early model S will become the next 57 Chevy. Gearheads will be rebatterying them with lighter high discharge rate batteries, and control electronics. Seats may get swapped and I'm not a fan of the screen but lots can be done. Hold on to this for 10-15 years there is little chance of it not holding its value.
This will be a collectible for so many reasons. It hasn’t reached it’s time for collecting yet.
@L W holy crap I had no idea those have risen in value 😂
I think you did well. I am from Switzerland and I plan to do the same: I find same units Tesla S85P from 2015 with 140,000 Km for 35,000 Francs more or less $33,000. I had a test drive with the Model 3 Long range but here it cost 65,000+- and for me it is expensive considering the quality of the Materials... etc for me pay 35K for a used Model S is a better deal.
I'm happy to see that electric cars can perform great even after a decade :D
Yes. I'm literally buying s 2013 model s p85 on monday. Battery is 30K kilometers old and it has a lot of the features
I think you got a hell of a deal on that car. It's absolutely beautiful.
Definitely the spec I would choose myself also. I especially like the fact that it has the metal roof. I live in the southwest and I have absolutely zero desire to have a giant panoramic glass roof with the sun broiling my head everyday.
Definitely looking forward to more videos about the car.
I live in Dallas Fort Worth an summers here can be very hot. I have a 2015 S85D with the panoramic sunroof and have no problems. I did have my windows tinted with Autobahn Ceramic i3 film and had Llumar Air80 installed on the front windshield. That makes a big difference. Cabin us nice and cool all summer long.
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It's not just the heat. Where I live the UV index is 11+ in summer. And it's hotter here. 110+.
My baby is a 2013 Model S 60Kwh battery still going strong. There cars are made to last. I did get a Rivian tho, charging at 200 kw. It's a different beast all together as well. Great video.
My issue with buying any vehicle that’s that old with that many miles for new car money, leaving aside any Tesla-specific concerns you outlined, isn’t that I’d be missing out on newer features. It’s that things *will* start breaking at that age. Plastics degrade over time, especially if it spent a lot of time in the sun, so things will become brittle and snap. Trim panels will rattle. Rubber coatings will turn to goo. If you’re in a rust-prone area, there’s that concern. The mechanical parts EVs do have will start failing. Meanwhile, you could take that same $25k and buy a brand new car with no wear, no damage, no concerns about whether the previous owner neglected it, and years of warranty.
I really enjoyed this. Thanks for the option checklist rundown. I've always wanted to know this.
I would expect a suspension refresh at 200k miles and battery swap around 150k. Otherwise can't see a reason to get rid of it. Cost of operation is going to be much lower.
Battery swap???? How much will that cost, wtf are your talking about
@@roboticvenom1935 batteries are a core technology that will get drastically cheaper soon. Solid state batteries, alternative metals, etc.
Truely informative
Great video. I bought a 2013 P85 with 100,000 miles on it best decision I've ever made. I have some reviews on my channel
How is it holding up ? I want to get one !
@@AG-oi9uj Very well actually and it’s get newer with software updates, they just added Disney + lol
I have had mine for 3 months and love it. Sometimes though when I’m backing up the drive shaft (I think) slips into park. Scary, having Tesla check it out next week. I have no warranty so hope it’s not to much
@@christinamcintosh2917 what happened ?
@@Estio504 We go in tomorrow. It doesn’t happen often and only when I’m about to start driving.
Only bad thing is insurance on them, I noticed average is about $2400 a year. Even when I quoted one it went up $900 on my policy here in Florida. They are nice cars though.