This Tesla Model S Has Over 400,000 Miles On It | How Do High Mileage EVs Hold Up?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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There's no shortage of debate about the longevity of EVs. However, given the lack of history with mass-production electric cars, there's not a lot of data. This 2015 Tesla Model S, with over 424,000 miles, is a great case study.
The original battery lasted over 250,000 miles. After 180,000 miles on the current battery, the range drop on a full charge has only sacrificed about 20 miles overall. This is with constant supercharging under its belt, too, as it originally served as a full-time Uber rideshare vehicle.
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My 2018 Model 3 has almost 191,000 miles on it, I have about 288 miles of the original 310 miles full range. Original battery. Going strong.
Can you post a video or photo of the dashboard
@@rajvo7406
Where ?
@@fradaja on UA-cam
@@rajvo7406 post a photo of his dashboard on UA-cam are you a fkn idiot ?
@@fradaja read again, you knucklehead
My 2014 P85+ Model S is still going strong with 90% of its original battery capacity. We plan on keeping it for another decade. Still quick. Still amazing.
Original battery?
@@dongyan8717 yes, original battery 👍🏼
@@evolv.e nice how many miles? Out of warranty I assume?
@@evolv.e I got 80k just out of warranty hope to make it to 150k without battery replacement
@@dongyan8717 151,833 as of this morning. Yes, has been out of warranty for a while now, but continues to drive as well as it did when we first got it. Happy to provide more details if you have any specific questions.
Good to hear they're doing ok in dry/warm conditions. Here in Norway, old Teslas have big problems with the battery pack not being sealed well enough, so water gets in and breaks the battery. + Frozen/broken door handles are a frequent problem.
Has your car had a battery reseal? I think Tesla performs a reseal for free if you have any problems with the battery.
You can upgrade the older model s with smaller batteries to 90kwh as per Tesla. You can’t do the 100KWh due to the weight which will affects steering/suspension
I have a model s 70, 2016. Can i put a larger battery in there if/when the time comes?
@@benjaminscott1240 yes
Some 3rd party shops offe the suspension upgrades needed to support the extra weight of a 100kWh pack, but Tesla won’t.
my model S 85D from 2015 has 125,000 miles on it and so far no major problems. Actually, only once the contactors in the battery failed, but the car was still functional, repair under warranty (6y old car, 120k miles), resp. they upgraded the battery with a new type of contactors, new type of pyro-fuse for free. I've had three door handles faulty, but I've had a newer type installed and I believe it's solved for forever.
Battery degradation approximately 7%.
@@jirizyka do you know what year on teslas has Pyro type fuse which don't require full battery removal for replacemen?
@@thayalansuntharalingam in Europe it is mid 2015 and newer. Mine is August 2015 and already has the pyro door accessible from the bottom
@@jirizyka THANKS.
400k mile would be more impressive if it was the original battery
Yeah dude, but who keeps cars to that amount of milage? Even at 250k miles(when original battery was replaced), most cars are either ready for the scrap yard or the owner is not expecting to get much money from it if any. I’m 47 years old and have owned quite a few ICE cars. The longest one had 220k on it. The dealer drove my new car to my front door and took that car(trade in) away on a flat bed!
Thanks for the comment. That saved me time. 400k on original battery was suspicious.
@@Aggie4life77 this proves batteries or electric motors arent as reliable lol
@@billybobbob3003 Do you not understand these batteries are getting better and better every year? This car is like 5 years old tech my guy!
@@Aggie4life77 lol tesla ranges havent improved in since first model s release over a decade ago.
As soon as the usual statement about a battery replacement was mentioned, this video lost all credibility as that is the singular most important thing for owners and potential owners is the battery life
250,000 miles isn't enough?
@@motorbiscuit its says 400 000
@@motorbiscuit Sigh there's always one!! 🤦🏾 You guys keep doing an awesome job and thanks for the honest videos!!
250 thousand miles is alot of miles. Average person probably does 15 thousand a year.
The video title never said it didn't have any battery replacements. 250,000 miles is a long ways before a battery dies. Some gas cars don't even last that many miles. But this video proves that once a battery is replaced, you can keep using the car as though nothing happened. Can't quite say the same for a gas car with replacing the transmission, if you do that. Also since Tesla's have less moving parts, the car in general will have lots less wear and tear than a gas car.
Teslas definitely have one pedal driving. It's surprising that they didn't in 2015 but my 2020 3 Performance definitely does.
The motor was changed in 2019.
When they went to Permanent magnet motors with the Raven models is when true one pedal drive was added. With regen though you can go down to a couple MPH creep though.
@@EarlCo My 2018 M3 has one pedal driving.
Pretty much any Tesla (or nearly every other BEV with regenerative braking) with dual motors can provide a one pedal-like driving experience. Tesla introduced dual motors back in fall 2014. (A single motor BEV can as well, though with less braking effect)
All the high mileage Tesla videos i have watched, have had the batteries changed for a new one. There are 100s Toyota Prius with this kinda mileage with the original engine. I just bought a model S so was hoping the battery wasn’t changed
@@Tanget360 thats true but, those cars also cost 20-30k and can do 400k miles on the same engine with yearly service. The guy i know with a Prius thats done 400k miles uses it for Uber. Its a 2014 car. As soon as my battery warranty runs out on my model S, im selling it. Battery replacements are extremely expensive.
I wouldn't drive a Prius if it was the only Car made.
Yeah as soon as he said the battery was replaced is like whats the point of claiming 400k.
Saw a video of a million mile truck cant remember if it was a titan or what but they said they replaced the engine and transmission twice 😂.
Like wtf.. if its not original powertrain it does not count.
@@jpizel1070never a Tesla
Your disclaimer ruins the whole reason why I tuned in - this vehicle does not have the original battery. 400000 on the original battery would be impressive. 250000 on a battery that died is average. 180,000 on the current battery - ok, you have another 70000 to go?
2017 S 100D 83K miles 310 range (out of 335).
You know what’s more impressive than an EV with 400K miles and battery replaced? An all original EV with 400K miles. Any out there?
I'm interested to see how the Model 3 batteries do, and then the Model 3 SR LFP batteries. Those things are going to last a loong time, I bet.
My 2015 model S only lasted 80 thousand miles before the battery went bad.... you got lucky
No you got unlucky
If you look at actual numbers from high mileage teslas, as far as battery failure the failure rate is somewhere around 6 percent, with most that will fail failing before 80,000 miles so those are covered under warranty. You got unlucky if yours failed at 80k
@Vriess123 Tesla's battery and drive unit warranty varies by model, but GENERALLY lasts for 8 years or between 100,000 and 150,000 miles, whichever comes first. The warranty also requires that the battery retains at least 70% of its original capacity over the warranty period. However, within the last 4 years, some models have had issues with charging and holding. If you look at the actual statistics it shows a 27% chance the battery will fail before 100k miles. I travel 50k miles a year in most of my vehicles so why would I want a vehicle to only last 2 years
My 2019 Model 3 Standard Has 130,000 miles with range drop from 240 to 185 on a full charge. It’s on the original battery as well, no maintenance. Going strong. 🎉
23% degradation already? Have you tried to check with Tesla if they would replace it? That doesn't sound normal
This cleared the air on the durability of Teslas overtime.
With a 20k$ battery swap? I guess most cars can make it this far if you invest 20k$ in them (could probably replace the engine a few time for this price)
I know someone with a NISSAN LEAF thats done 228k miles. Car only cost him £14,000 used and he uses it for Uber. Everything is original in his car. Not even changed the brakes yet no one raves about how great that car is. What’s the point posting a video about a high mileage car that have had the most expensive and most significant part changed. He also uses his Nissan leaf for Uber and you would be amazed of the overall condition. His car look like it have done 40k miles
Nice short video, great addition of owners perspectives.
I had a 9 year old Ford energi that lost 50% of it's EV range. Makes me worried a little about the new LiFePo in some Teslas.
Bought a p85d a few months ago, and am in the middle of a 10k mile road trip
I have a 2 year old S (2021) with only 15,000 miles on it. I drive it like a creampuff. This video tells me I can drive it without too much fear
Fear of what? I drive a ‘20 MS LR+ without any hesitance on anything. It came with free life of ownership SC, super nice more so with a new station 0.3 miles from my house, also have PV system and net metering. I put on about 7-8k miles a year so doubt that I’ll ever hit 250k.
Might get 2014 model s 85 for 23k with 60k miles. Beats most cars here
Agreed
Would avoid anything before 2016, too many issues before that. And any issue with the motor or the battery and you will be in deep
Bmw i3 here with 220000 kms on it . Not 1 issue
I’m surprised the electric motors never had to be replaced, I’ve heard the motors on the earlier model year Model S were very unreliable
Every single high mileage video about a Tesla has had the battery changed under warranty that’s nuts. I have a Prius with 250,000 miles and it’s still on original battery with no issues going strong. Plus i can get it replaced for $2000 rather than paying substantially more to replace a Tesla battery out of warranty
I would still rather have a Tesla. 👍 Amazing car!
The prius doesn't have a real battery pack, it just has a battery as storage.
Keep in mind these cars are almost exclusively using superchargers rather than trickle charging that a Prius does
@@eddbenson7223 true that.
@@MF2_ETaube what do you mean by this of course the Prius has a battery but a very small one
EXCELLENT PRESENTATION !!!
How was the battery still under warranty at 250,000 miles?!
For this Tesla, an 8 year/unlimited miles warranty on the battery would be my guess. So no matter how many miles were on it, as long wasn't past 8 years, the battery would be replaced under warranty. After 8 years the owner would have to cover the cost for any replacement/repair of the battery if needed.
Bought my model s 2018 I have 10,000 miles on it lol, finally going to drive it
I think the estimated range factors in your driving style, so if you drive with a lead foot typically, it will show lower range...
Beautiful car driving around a beautiful city - thanks Braden !
Do the 24 hr. long Tesla battery health test on it, or has it had the battery replaced? If the battery health test is low, I wouldn't give you a dollar for it.
The big dipper coaster in the background lasts longer than a Tesla. True fact
ill be interestedin knowing how much replacing the battery pack is OUT of warranty. also if you are locked into a single part supplier.
From what I've seen on YT so far, it's roughly $20-25k and there are shops that have Tesla-certified gear that can do it cheaper. A video I saw had Tesla quoting around $23k and the 3rd party shop charging $6k or so. (I was interested as well as someone that wants a Tesla but can't afford it yet.)
@@kyleb8117 im not sure i want a tesla, I really do not like having my cars functionality tied to the cloud. Im more interested in the battery technology as i build my own ev's.
@@kyleb8117 Back in 2008 I paid $3,500.00 to have a new(used) motor put in my a 89 Nissan Maxima. So if my Tesla bites the dust I would definitely pay 6k for a new battery
@9:23- " Tesla used to offer unlimited mileage warranty" Unlimited mileage warranty used to make this a good buy.
what happens to the old batteries. how big are these batteries.
They are refurbished or recycled. It depends on what is wrong with it and who replaces it. They complete battery pack is about the size of the floor of the car. They are many small cells (something like a flashlight battery shape) combined into modules and then several modules.
Teslas do have one foot driving-at least my 2022 model 3 did
My understanding is that Tesla does NOT replace batteries under warranty with a NEW battery. They find a like, but healthy battery instead. So, its probably that battery had a lot of miles under its belt.
correct
The car with highest mileage that I've seen was Hyundai elantra. It had over 1 mill miles until Hyundai gave lady new car
There have been some very high mileage volovos. Ours wasn't one of them.
This video should be shorted to an half of the length
Impressive! ❤
I’m looking at second-hand electric vehicles. The prices seem to vary between $25-190k for Tesla Model S. Mileage can vary a lot for the prices - it seems anything between 10-170k miles.
I’m wondering what the significance of high mileage is in EVs. I would have thought a high mileage in an EV will not lead to similar problems as in an ICE car because there’s less to go wrong (ie no internal combustion engine to get inevitable damage through use). Is this correct?
Just about anything will wear with age. A great model year to shop for with a Model S is 2016. You can get the newer front end design, and, depending on manufacture date and sales history, they are available with unlimited free supercharging and still have some of their unlimited mileage power train warranty left.
@@motorbiscuit oh thanks a lot. I'll research more about that car
@@motorbiscuit careful thats what I thought when I bought my 2013 model s last August. Turns out both the supercharging and premium connectivity do not transfer from the original owner. 😐
Only if it's sold thru Tesla themselves they remove free supercharging and premium connectivity.
@@mrm1885 Mine was a third party sale and once Tesla updated the owner info they stripped off the Premium and Supercharging.
That real state agent was instantly calculating, that he has to get rid of that Tesla around 150k - 200k miles. Before/when the battery swap is imminent.
Teslas do have one petal driving. I know some of the early model Ss didn't. They had creep or roll my dad has a '17 model S and he doesn't have complete one petal driving but has creep or roll
Older 2012 to 2014 teslas are only worth 10k to 13k Dollars?
Since you risk a 20k$ replacement battery, yep, pretty unsellable
How is that guys tesla model y just as expensive as a prius? Even considering he drives 3k miles a month
The one thing is Tessa really needs to work on his Tires Tires said last on a Tesla they seem to wear out extremely fast and they're extremely costly this is a huge burden on the owner of a Tesla automobile you should be able to get at least 50 to 60 thousand miles on a set of tires this is almost impossible with a Tesla they need to do a lot of work in this area
60k miles on a set of tire? Where did you see that
Like every other car in the world it depends on how you drive & maintain it.
Your mileage may vary.
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How did the battery have a warranty at 250k miles? Extended warranty?
how many miles on full charged after 400k miles?
Braden Carlson got me here. Subscribed
It didn't go 400k though? It went 250k and the frame has 400k. The million mile lexus that Tavarish on youtube has still uses the original engine and transmission. Bait video
You can't compare a company like Toyota/Lexus that have been around for over 90 yrs vs Tesla 16 yrs. Old tech will of course be more reliable. Battery technology keeps evolving and it will soon be affordable to replace a battery. Just think back when the first ICE vehicles came out. They weren't good either
And the drive unit was replaced too...
6:38 yes they do
Not sure I heard correctly (2:16). Battery covered at 250k miles under warranty?
Correct! Though it's no longer around, Tesla models used to come with an 8-year/unlimited mileage warranty on all the powertrain components.
How did they replace a battery at over 200k miles in warranty
With tools🤷
8 years unlimited mileage warranty of earlier model s (which tesla stopped as it probably cost them too much)
Could help me understand Stand how it’s right hand steering from 3:53 -4:05 just wondering?
Accidentally mirrored and re-mirrored clips while editing.
I had a '20 Model 3 Performance, and replaced it with my '22 Rivian R1T, the regen braking is WAY more powerful on the Rivian its amazing. Loved my tesla but just so bland and commonplace now. Wanted a truck or SUV that I could take off-roading, and didn't want another Jeep (previous was a lemon), and no more gas ever again. If Tesla made a normal looking truck, or a SUV that I could add some off-road tires, I'd have stayed in the Tesla family.
Just watched this video and I know it’s nit picking but the Matthew kid that said he had a 2021 model X is lying. Tesla switched to black handles in October 2020 so his has to be older. Observant eye 😮
it would be perfect for taxi/ uber/ grab/ lyft/ bolt drivers who have say a sibling or spouse who drives as well.
imagine drivinf 5 hours then rest/ charge 1 hour, then drive another 5,
charge 1 hour, then the second driver repeats.
the car would be operating basically almost 24/7 making money.
that'll be super cool and efficient.
Is model S driving seat comfortable compared to model 3?
Yes!
It is unfortunate that the battery had been replaced. That's the argument many anti-EV naysayers state when discussing EV's. I have a vendor, who recently bought a 2013 Model S with 150,000 miles. It is all good.
Its all good until he has to replace the battery out of warranty.
Until it isn't
Batterie NMC ? LFP ?
Say 400k mi. one more time I dare you :) ...I just purchase a 2018 M3 with 31k mi. I am hoping i get at least 150-200k mi. Anything over 120k(or july 26') and I am golden as that is when the battery warranty is over. and will be getting a newer model hopefully will be a 2023 M3 by than
tesla was always ahead of its time
Battery change equals engine change … the interior doesn’t matter . Evs don’t long that last
And this one had a battery and a drive until replacement...
You don't see 400,000 mile Toyota videos. Why? It's just not that unusual.
And boring.
Now that they are switching to turbos I expect that to change.
Nice....
Original motors?
The front motor was replaced at 375,000
@@motorbiscuit how much was it to replace that??
@@dajusta87 owner here, the front drive unit was replaced under warranty (under previous ownership). This car still retains its 8 yr, unlimited mileage powertrain warranty until July of next year.
As someone who works on cars like this for a living though, I can tell you that an out of warranty drive unit replacement would likely run ~$6-8k at the service center. To have it replaced at a 3rd party shop like the one I work at, a used front drive unit would cost around $2k (plus labor of course, which would likely run another $1-2k).
I've never actually replaced a small drive unit before though (front or rear), as it's pretty rare for them to have issues (and almost all the cars that have them are still under warranty). Large Drive Units on the other hand, those are quite prone to issues...
@@AlexEVRepair Thanks for the reply. Good information!
@@AlexEVRepair interesting. So I guess the RWD models have the "large drive unit" while the awd models have the "small drive unit"?
2:10! There’s the catch. That’s all I needed to see.
Car went 250,000 miles. I had Fords that didn’t make it to 80,000
That’s still more than double the miles of any car’s warranty
@@89five3five Only car me and my Dad owned that I would call junk were all from GM. A few Fords we had we fine well past 100k, Toyota's are bulletproof. Each one we've owned and put a lot of miles on has been reliable. If our Highlander or 4-Runner needs repair work it won't cost a lot. If your Tesla battery goes how much is that going to cost you? I'm not sneezing at 250k miles, that's not bad at all. But I really want to see how long MOST EV's are going to get out of their batteries. I think we're only just seeing now after years of ownership. And as usual, the worst EV's were pretty much the Bolts. GM!
I think in the long run ev will be vehicles that people hold on to for a long time there 0 maintenance! 0 exhaust, all it is the battery and battery will be cheaper later on. So if u want a new car just replace the battery. I used to work at autopart store majority of sales were brakes alternator ,starter converter and exhaust 02 sensor and coil. And battery 12v
We're hearing that since 10 years ago, and a model S battery is still 20k$, which is more than it was 10 years ago...
And motors fails too on Tesla, and they're 6k$ a piece to replace out of warranty
Correction: teslas do you have one pedal driving in complete stop without using any breaks
This one did not
@@motorbiscuit all newer ones do
Tesla’s do have one pedal driving. You just wanted us to make comments. It obviously worked.
It wasn't standard on Teslas until 2020, and this car did not have it.
Haven’t had any real issues with my Tesla, but I did have to take it in to fix some panel alignments right after delivery.
They gave me a loaner Model X. The Model X broke down and I had to have the loaner Tesla towed lol
My own personal Tesla has only had windshield cracks and punctured tires- normal wear and tear
But replacing a battery does not sound fun!!
I'm definitely not keeping mine past the warranty 😂
Still baiting. Not impartial. My battery is warranted for 8 years by Tesla.
The warranty is a bit of a sham though, you need to lose at LEAST 30% range before you can get a warranty replacement, they also pushed a controversial firmware update, falsely showing a higher range so proving this loss becomes more difficult.
Even if you do prove a 30% range loss, you get given a refurb battery that has already failed in another Tesla that was repaired, they then take your battery and do the same, repair it and give it to the next owner. So while you still have a warranty, how long it will actually last is a bit of an unknown.
😂😂😂😂 it had it's battery changed! That's like getting a new motor for a car. This is complete click bait.
I love my mum. I wouldn't change her for the world ❤
+ it got a new drive unit as well which is not mentioned in the video
Cars should just run on water, oh wait it's free and people are greedy
Pretty sure all Tesla have one foot driving. 🤔
Nope. Not the old ones.
Problem is used, they are not worth much.🤣
nice repost from another youtuber
You might want to check our other videos and see who produces them!
This video is outdated, entry level model 3 & y are no longer expensive compared to similar ice car. For example there's no justification of 2023 prius price compared to model 3.
Another cult salesman.
now this i can watch, these are neat.
EVs can last but tesla builds their cars like...ass.
EVs are nice technological toys, but they are nothing more than just toys. They are not even zero emition cars, in reality they are remote emition ones. Everybody who says different is just delusional. Maybe one day we will be able to produce energy totaly clean, then EVs will be zero emitions.✌️
Yeah, not toys. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. ICE cars are done. They pollute every single day, electric cars don’t.
@@erichannes6392 Unfortunately, you are the one who is being misled and willfully blind here. As I wrote, EVs pollute elsewhere, but they still pollute. Look up how electricity is generated and from what. Plus EVs need more mineral resources than ICEs. Mining in general is very damaging to the environment. Go see how cobalt, for example, is mined and you will be shocked at the conditions of the miners! So EVs are neither clean nor moral! Anyone who claims otherwise is disillusioned or completely blind.
Your comment is delusional and likely influenced by obvious propaganda. No, they aren't zero emission but they are dramatically better in this regard than any gas car. It's always a good idea to improve on this as much as possible but to act like they are no better than gas cars is just stupid. They are objectively better in almost every way.
@@JosephHowes2003 Hmm, about what kind of improvement are you talking about?
isn't truth that EVs need way more precious metals than ICEs? Isn't truth that mining of cobalt, nikel and lithium destroys environment and pollutes water? Isn't truth that on top of that mining of cobalt in Congo kills people, promotes slavery and steals childhood from children of Congo? Would you send members of your family to Congo to help mining that cobalt?
Do you know how many ICEs there are in the world and how many precious metals are needed to make batteries for EVs to replace them all?
Are you sure that the one who is delusional and influenced by propaganda here is me? I do not think so! ✌
Yeah your done with life go to a mental hospital for good
I just bought a Model Y.
Congrats! Liking it?
How
Do you like model y ?? I just bought one too